These cop shows are all a lot of bullshit. A lot of government agents aren’t badass or hot; they’re nerdy G-men and two thirds of their job is paperwork and bureaucracy.
In a 20 year Navy career I had 2 encounters with NIS (NCIS before they added the C). One involved the theft of $85 from a 6 lane bowling alley. The other was the theft of 30 lbs of processed cheese slices from a galley. Never saw any super villains.
lol even President Reagan warned us back in the day. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "
Absolutely the case. IMO the the government is simply a business who's primary function is to do what it can to ensure its own survival by any means necessary. From what I've seen and read, none of the decisions made at any level that can impact substantial change really benefit us as a whole. The decisions made are done to escalate power or a departments reach. By design there's no way for us as a person to get into possible positions to affect this unless you're already a millionaire and by that point your decision making has no understanding what a regular or struggling person really needs. I also think that anyone who does somehow slip in gets a taste of whats on the table and they've got an idea what's possible if they toe the party line. The business is designed so as to anyone who doesnt toe the line gets outed or left behind. If you don't support your party's goals to the letter you become an outcast. I may also be totally off as I haven't had my coffee yet and I'm kinda cranky....LOL
But they still get double, and sometimes triple, of what street cops make per year. In addition, they do less and have to deal with less.. so at the end of the day, who is really getting the last laugh lol
From the USO site: "The real agents do a job equivalent to civilian detectives, but with a focus on the Navy and Marine Corps. Their mission-far broader than the TV shows suggest-includes general and economic crimes, counterterrorism, counterintelligence and crime prevention and being ready to respond at a moment’s notice if there’s a tie to the Navy or Marine Corps. “We’re usually not the guys that arrive first on the scene,” said Cummings, a West Point graduate who served as a Provost Marshall and completed two combat tours to Iraq. “That would be either your local police department, or if it’s on post … the Navy police.” On the show, there are often struggles over jurisdiction, which makes things more entertaining. Ed Buice, an NCIS public affairs officer, said that’s not real life. The real agents work closely with other military and civilian agencies, but good relationships and paperwork-a large part of the job-just aren’t entertaining, he added. The shows’ credibility has made it a global sensation and been a positive for the real agency that spent a lot of time explaining its mission before “NCIS’” 2003 debut. “If you look at the first actual episode, it shows Gibbs at the airport trying to get on a plane and he’s carrying a weapon. He’s trying to explain who NCIS is and they’re like, ‘Who are you guys?’” Cummings said, adding that scenario actually happened to a former director.
@@adels.185 Nothing is inherently bad about it. But when NCIS personnel start bending rules and engaging in borderline illegal or even legitimately illegal activities to get what they want personally or for an investigation... That's where it becomes an issue. Obviously.
I retired from the Navy. Every NCIS interaction i ever had left a shitty taste in my mouth. Fire alarm goes off in their building in Bahrain for instance, I'm with the fire department. They don't want to leave the building, we are like get the fuck out, if there ends up being smoke and you pass out nobody wants to carry an asshole out. They eventually left. On the ship they walk around like their shit doesn't drink as well.
I enlisted as Army infantry for 3 years. After 3 years I left the service and became a Deputy Sheriff, POST Certified, working the jail and patrol. Got a strong itch to return to the Army, go back to Germany, work with the Poliizei, and work anti terrorism cases (this was before the terrorism field became the popular field full of academic specialists). I returned to active duty and applied for Army CID. Was accepted, school trained in investigations, and deployed. I quickly found out that I was the only Special Agent with civilian law enforcement experience in the offices I worked in. CID was also reactive and not proactive and that CID wanted you to be an agent first and then a soldier until they said be a soldier first and then an agent. All CID wanted to do was put "someone" in the Title Block of the investigation for a solved case resolution. On occasion I worked with NCIS and Air Force investigative personnel. They were no different then CID in attitude and behavior. Jack Carr was absolutely correct when he said NCIS were people who couldn't become FBI agents or get into the CIA. I would say the same would be true for the majority of the Army and Navy investigators.
My experience in dealing with NCIS and CID (army) - they were generally groups of people that wanted to be elite in one fashion or another (intel, spec ops, spies, etc), but were just not good enough. They, in turn, took this out on everyone else. They were especially nasty when dealing with our elite units - spec ops, rangers, seals, and the like. In a way, it was kind of like a mall cop taking it out on all the kids at the mall. Having watched a couple of the NCIS TV shows, I was absolutely confused with how they were portraying those roles. *Side note - I am sure there were some good agents in these jobs, I just did not have the luxury of crossing paths with any of them.
@@airplanebuilder8685 - That's true. There is no need to call for a detective to man a gun, work a flight deck, or do most other things needed on a ship or in a garrison environment. However, though I can't speak to the Navy or Air Force, the emphasis on training in the MP Corps is on the tactical mission. The Military Police were designated as a combat arm and force in the late 70's. At that point, the training emphasis has been on training a specific expanding list of wartime tactical tasks at which MPs need to be proficient. Both tasks, MP and tactical, are trained at the MP school at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO; and, once one graduates the MP school, police-type training is usually done only when MPs rotate onto the police mission, while the majority of the time, MPs, whether line-duty or investigators, are training on the wartime mission tasks. Police training has a far lower priority. One of the MP wartime missions is escorting logistic convoys and defending them from ambush attacks. If you wonder what that might look like in combat, google Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester. She was a National Guard MP, but the level of training she received at the MP School really came to the fore when a convoy her platoon was escorting came under attack. USACID agents, most of whom come from the ranks of the MPs, have had the same tactical training as MPs; though, after assignment to CID they typically spend less time training on their tactical missions. Regardless, during wartime, CID agents are expected to demonstrate competency at the MP wartime missions lest they can end up being declassified.
Yes that's correct. NCIS/CID is basically like the FBI of the military. It's a civilian mindset regardless of where they originate from. Once you operate on that level you are more focused on the cases, than the comradery.
Just like the ATF they aren't good enough to be in the FBI they don't want the low pay and danger associated with being a street cop so they go around picking on old gun collectors
Richard Marcinko called them the Admirals Gestapo. The NCIS was the NIS up until the Tailhook scandal in the 1990s. They decided to add C or criminal. 🙄
@schmuck Norris Rogue Warrior, Red Cell were great non fiction books 📚. His early novels were + too, with John Weisman. Demo Dick started to slide in the 2000s.
@schmuck Norris Fearless the film has been delayed many years. 🎬. There was a newer version of Without Remorse(Tom Clancy) with actor Michael B Jordan playing John Clark but I think it was delayed..... Task Force Orange about ISA & John Plaster, US Army Reserves O-4 Ret books about MAC V SOG are great too. 📚
I was a US Army MPI detective for most of my nearly 21 years in the Army. The NCIS is the laughing stock of military investigative services. They are the butt of jokes by the Army CID and MPI and the Air Force OSI because they are mostly incompetent. I disagree with Mr. Gregory below. I've known incompetent CID agents but most I've know were very professional. In 1986, my sister, a civilian attorney, was trying to defend a Navy member who'd been charged with 14 different drug offenses that could have landed him more than a 100 years in jail if convicted. She was having trouble getting cooperation from the military and asked me if I'd go on leave an assist her with the case for two weeks., because I knew how things worked in the service. I went on leave and traveled from Ft. McClellan, Al, where I was cadre at the MP School, to Newport, R.I. I spent two weeks investigating the case from a defense point of view and found that the local NCIS office, along with Newport Police Department detectives, had screwed up the evidence and could only prove one of the fourteen offenses. She went into court to defend the guy and he was convicted of only one offense, possession of a single marijuana joint, because the chain of custody on all the rest of the evidence had been broken multiple times. He served 2-1/2 years. The NCIS Special Agent In Charge was like a real-life personification of Homer Simpson. A complete and total idiot that was so full of himself he didn't realize how incompetent he was.
MPI for a majority of your career? I call bullshit. MPI is a one and done thing. People don't spend their career in it. You won't make E7 without being a squad leader in a line company first. But yes, as a former MPI and USACIDC agent they're a joke
@@deusvult6920 - Ho Ho! You call bullshit? Well, hell's bells, don't be a pussy about it - call me a liar. Well, though I didn't realize I need to provide bonafides here, you are right - one does have to be a troop leader if you want to make E7. In '86/'87 timeframe I landed at McClellan as a SSG and was assigned as a squad leader with the Regimental Aggressor Platoon. In February of '89 I made the E7 list. Later, I was a Platoon Sergeant with the 59th MP Co., in Zwiebrucken, FRG. We deployed to ODS in Dec 90 and returned to Germany in May 91. After that, I transferred directly to Korea where I took over Yongsan customs investigations and later took over ROK/US customs at brigade HQ where I was promoted to MSG. I then transferred to Ft. Carson, where I took over PMO Ops. I retired the following year as a MSG. Happy now?
During my Naval career as a Senior Chief Master At Arms, I frequently encountered NIS(NCIS) Special Agents. Most of them were very competent, one of the major problems in the Navy was unlawful command influence. The Agents would get pissed but JAG would do nothing about it. I am good friends with several retired Agents and one of them became a Cold Case Detective with a Hampton Roads PD and solved several cold cases related to murder and other crimes.
@@danielargueta722 NCIS and CID will do anything to show they are 'effective' even if that means accusing innocent people of crimes (war crimes for returning units for example) even if it means trying to prosecute using fraudulent evidence and convicting innocent Marines and Sailors.
@@danielargueta722 Oh yeah and they can claim to be investigating you for as long as they want when your career can't progress when you're under investigation.
@@mocha44714 - You shouldn't speak to things you don't understand. Most of the time, the MPs get it right but occasionally they screw it up. I was an investigator in the Army for nearly two decades. I'd say that in about one out of every twenty cases turned over to us for investigation, the street cops would either lack probable cause, fail to properly advise a suspect of his/her rights before asking incriminating questions, or they'd screw up the evidence chain of custody making the evidence useless. Any of those reasons meant the case could end up being unfounded and could not be prosecuted and had to be closed - either as unsolved or as lacking in sufficient evidence. As investigators, our job was to investigate the case; and, if a suspect had been identified, determine whether there was sufficient evidence to send the case forward to the JAG for prosecution. We didn't have a dog in the fight - all we cared about was proving the case founded or unfounded. I had the opportunity more than once to clear a troop's name and was proud of that fact. As for a troop's career progression - that's entirely up to a commander. While we would investigate a soldier nothing adverse could happen to them career wise unless the investigation concluded that there was sufficient evidence to send it forward to the JAG. The JAG would then decide whether to take it to court or allow the troop's C.O. to deal with it. I saw lots of soldiers get promoted while they were under investigation. That's the way it should be. Until an allegation is proven the soldier is presumed innocent. Most commanders got that, though I do remember a few that were looking for any excuse possible to flag a soldier's career because they'd already made up their mind, even before the soldier had offended, that they were going to find a means to deep six that troop one way or the other. Like I said, that's up to the C.O. and, since most offenses in the military can be handled with non-judicial punishment, troops are at the mercy of their C.O.s - not the investigators.
@@jillvalentinefan77 Fact. Both SOCOM and ACT OF VALOR were known about and partly funded by the DoD. When numbers get low or we need people - content will be sanctioned.There were a lot of things in SOCOM that were not known commons about the USN. For instance, some of the weapons - the XM8 was something that was kind of hush hush at the time but it is a usable weapon in the game. The most recent MoH game actually had a lot more content including guns that was not approved by the DoD. Many service members got their pee pee slapped for talking about some things.
@@RANDY_MAR5H OH yeah I remember that controversy. I bet most the dudes playing the game thought it was a made up gun or something but MoH just laid all the cards out and left themselves to get fucked by the green weenie. The developers ain't even military lmao
@@jillvalentinefan77 I don't think they made up a gun, I think they added actual guns that were used OR maybe didn't make the cut as far as trials for military weapons go. It's certainly possible, But I know that the first game actually did have correct names for things. The second one had like 40 variations of the m4 and that was about it. Great game though
When I was in there was an incident with a piece of non classified equipment that came up missing from the supply room. A friend had OOD over the weekend it was “moved”, after there “questioning “ my buddy just stated “look search my stuff, apartment, vehicle, what ever”. They said they “didn’t have enough for a consensual search”. Then they threaten the supply PO with prosecution and deportation, then they figured it out. The only person onboard with a key on that Friday afternoon was the C.O. And after the C.O. announced that if it was returned there would be “no questions asked”. Amazingly the gear was “found’ on the C.O.’s desk the following day (by the way the office had been locked and that’s right only the C.O. had a key). When I encountered the NCIS agents I encouraged them to apologize tp the supply P.O. that they threatened, because we all knew who took it. NCIS is a joke, they were afraid to bring the officer up on charges, but all to happy to ruin an enlisted persons life. One of the funniest things I ever witnessed was arrogant NCIS agent being sea sick...
I got investigated by NIS (before they were NCIS) while on Recruiting Duty in Jersey. I had to drive over to Brooklyn. I was the only guy in the waiting area, sat there for 20-30 minutes past my appointment time, guy comes out with a clipboard looks around the room and says my name. I raise my hand like “Bro, I’m the only guy sittin’ here”. Walked into the guy’s office. The only thing on the desk is a file folder the size of a New York City phone book with my name written across it in huge letters. My first thought was “This is bullshit. I didn’t put that many people in the Navy”. The guy said that he’d like to ask me some questions about my recruits. I told him that I would not discuss anything without my attorney present. The interview was terminated and I drove back to Jersey.
@@dgd947a15fl Q. What rights do I have regarding making statements and speaking with an attorney? A. As a military service member, you have specific rights under Article 31(b) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and under the military’s version of “Miranda Rights,” known as “Miranda / Tempia Rights.” PLEASE NOTE: If you are suspected of committing misconduct, then any attempt to interview you should begin with the investigator / questioner telling you that you are suspected of a specific violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice or civilian criminal laws. They must tell you what the nature of the violation is so that you may direct your answers specifically to those allegations. When interrogated, you should be told the following: You have the right to remain silent; Any statement you make may be used against you in a trial by court-martial (or any court of law); You have the right to consult with a lawyer before any questioning. This lawyer may be a civilian lawyer retained by you at your own expense, a military lawyer appointed to act as your lawyer (for the purposes of assisting you with the questioning) without cost to you, or both; You have the right to have such retained civilian lawyer and/or appointed military lawyer present during this interview; and If you decide to answer questions without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop the interview at any time. You also have the right to stop answering questions at any time in order to obtain a lawyer.
I only had one experience with NCIS and it left a very negative impression on me. I was OCONUS guarding a gate with a 100% hand check ID check policy. NCIS rolled up refused to do more then flash credentials with no picture ID inside their wallet and would not remove it for inspection. I could see they had proper ID in their center console, but they refused to surrender that when asked. The whole thing turned into a cluster fuck with my partner wanting to get into a pissing match with the agents, the agents calling some admiral, and me in the middle trying to pass the whole bullshit cluster off to my Sgt. Army CID were neither good nor bad, just sort of in-between. I only met AF-OSI once, but they were not regular agents. I met a PSD team protecting a General at a CONUS event. They were really cool.
@@VirginiaNative1646 yes, but they did not want to show their ID. I am sure they had them in their wallet, they were just playing dick measuring games.
02:30 HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT NCIS! It's not that glamorized view that a senior citizen NCIS agent and his wonder team wants you all the believe on CBS.
@Eddie R You sound like kinda person I referenced in my original comment. All snowflake sensitive and shit, that's why u all like...I have to respond cause my feelings are hurt by what he said.
@Eddie R That reply, has left me speechless. If you didn't have a profile pic I would of taken you for an angry 12 year old. And you enjoy calling out pussy mfs? Good job, good fucking job...
David Watson that sucks honestly. One of my goals is to join NCIS. Definitely wouldn’t want to send the wrong person to jail or try and get an innocent person to confess to some BS thing. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about NCIS and so I hope it changes soon.
@@ryancaughill5662 Navy guys look at NCIS like cops view Internal Affairs which is the nature of their job. When I was active duty, I stayed away from them unless I had to. No positive interactions during my 26-year career. But you can still try to be one of the good ones.
Makes me feel bad for cops. I deal with them daily where I work and they are so rule bound and dictated by law-authors and others above them but take all the risk and still get shit on by the public half the time... It sucks.
@@jsquared1013 No, it doesn't apply solely to commissioned officers. www.bileckilawgroup.com/court-martial-defense/articles-of-the-ucmj/article-134-offenses/ There are 54 criminal offenses that 134 covers.
Air Force OSI is no better. I served 8 years in the Air Force while pursuing my B.A in Criminal Justice. For one assignment, I had to interview a CJ professional and chose OSI because I thought of going thay route, at at one point. Long story short, im interviewing the special agent and he starts trying to get information from me about who is dealing/using drugs in my Squadron. Luckily, I was smart enough to realize what was going on amd tried to bring the interview back to what I was there for. Then they guve me a card and say, " you can check our website for any information" Told my professor and she was understanding to the situation.
I was an AF cop (SF/SP) for eleven (11) years. We had a fellow handler married to the senior OSI agent on base, at a major nuclear installation. To call them a shit show, would be an insult to shit shows, everywhere.
Some of my soldiers were caught up in a drug op where a dealer implicated others and got off free. The idea is to get more arrests rather than the real bad guy. One of those arrested and convicted was a stellar soldier--good worker, pleasant, competent. He had passed an envelope to someone for someone else. It did not appear that he knew there was contraband in it. When convicted the agents high-fived each other. They had just ruined someone's life. The law enforcers in the military, as is the case with their civilian counterparts do not see themselves as part of the community, the military brotherhood. They act like they're king of the jungle and the rest of us are their prey.
This isn't a description I see a lot, "[they] do not see themselves as part of the community... They act like they're king of the jungle and the rest of us are their prey." Nobody's commented yet so I just wanted to say, well said. I think we all know folks that received a tiny bit of special authority and stopped being able to see the forest for the trees -- if that can happen with fake power in team or office or just generally work environments, I don't get why it's such a hard concept for folks to wrap their heads around that cops or any group with authority would by default be any different and should be presumed to be magically better.
Read some accounts from Marine officers who had to request NCIS conduct investigations into actaul crimes .... and NCIS ignored request leaving MP, who are not qualified to conduct investigations to carry the load. Then have charges dismissed because of it.
He’s right about historians using these first person accounts. Can you imagine if we had first person accounts from the Celts, the Romans, the Vikings, the Gaels etc? The medieval times to us will be the equivalent as us to the people of the future.
Typical Navy oversight: Threaten entire community of the most highly trained, professional, bad-ass killers on the planet (that you, yourself trained).
broad brush there, most are honorable, but there have been some indicted for criminal action like murder and theft like in the case of that green beret that two Seals killed to prevent him revealing they were stealing funds for personal use. These are highly trained and deadly individuals and if they go rogue/criminal then you have a whole lot of trouble
@@jc4jax you constructed a straw man's fallacy, read the comment again. I didn't claim that there weren't any bad apples. What I said was that threatening/intimidating all of the Navy Seals was a bad idea on the part of the Navy's leadership, given the Seal's level of lethality, and that it was trained into them on the Navy's dime.
No. The Soviets had no pretense of governing based on the rule of law. They were a totalitarian state. They ruled via radical partisanship and ideology, on the whims of the dictator. What the dictator says, is law.
They did, actually. One of the most infamous abuses of this was the Soviet mental health "laws". They were written so broadly that they could claim pretty much anybody was "crazy" and put them in an "asylum" (read: prison, gulag, etc).
@@OncleJer No. Republicans and more so libertarians see it excessive in size, inept, and rampant with mindless bureaucracy. That doesn't mean it shouldn't exit, only too much of it does.
So true everything he said. Have the same experiences with CID. Shady, manipulative, and more interesting in getting something, rather than stewarding the profession and upholding the law.
we had an ex Belgian MP officer as one of those people at school you could go talk to if you were having any issues or problems in class that you didn't want to talk to a teacher about (a counsellor of sorts) except he was the most twisted manipulative POS ever. if he wanted you to snitch on a classmate, he'd threaten to call your parents about it, then promise he wouldn't call your parents if you told him what he wanted to know, and then proceed to call your parents and tell them you were involved in the bullying incident or whatever it was about because you had "inside knowledge" about it. definitely failed interpol entry exam and thought of himself as some smart CIA/NSA detective type deal. Absolute twat of a guy that nobody trusted within 3 months of him working at our school.
NSA doesn't have "detectives", they do SIGINT. Bunch of nerds in an office with no windows doing computer stuff and translating audio and documents. Sorry you had to deal with such a jerk-bag. Seems like military investigators are douchebags everywhere.
@@bsr9279 they would get on to these "investigations" were they were sure to catch the next spice king pin and harras you at parties on in town. Make every one show military IDs and then leave.
Bro I got an OTH for popping on a piss test after a 96. NCIS had me goin undercover to bust people dealing to Marines. I'll do a video about it soon subscribe to me I really want to tell my story and I think people would want to hear it
@@anthonylautzenheiser3802 Marchiinko went to jail for the company he was a part of defrauding them in a Arms procurement deal,. He took a kickback of over 100K. It had nothing to do with his book,
I was interviewed by NCIS regrading some other sailors I had associated with who were selling drugs. I didn’t do anything wrong but they sure made me feel like I did hahaha. It was in one of those white rooms with the camera in the corner.
I'm sure the E3 was a female and needed to be protected (he said with extreme sarcasm). I've seen lower enlisted females throw it at E7's and above so they could get preferential treatment......only to cry foul when it didn't work out the way they wanted.
They used to be just NIS back in the 80’s. Once the NCIS TV show came out, they changed it to sound cool. As a Marine officer, I worked with them on occasion. Never saw so much polyester and bad haircuts in my life.
Lol you don’t even know why they changed the name. You definitely got out of the marine corps as a major. You were too dumb to make it to battalion CO.
Air Force Office of Special Investigations are exactly the same. I was a law enforcement specialist at McGuire AFB in the 80s. They got me out of bed at 3 in the morning to “help them” on an investigation. Same thinking “We’re on the same team”. No, they are trying to jam up a New Jersey State Trooper who allegedly discharged his firearm while chasing a wounded deer through base housing (all unoccupied for renovations). I didn’t know it at the time but all of the AF responders that day had been called in one at a time for interviews. The trooper had not reported to his command firing any rounds but rumors swirled that he had shot the deer (we eventually got permission to put it down with a shotgun, it was dying anyway) and his leadership and the base command wanted his ass on a plate. Well, none of us remembered the trooper cracking off any shots (memory is a funny thing) and at the end of the interview they told me all of us were going to get jammed up because they knew they were going to find 9mm bullets in the carcass when they got it from the animal control center at ft Dix. I then actually helped them on their investigation by letting them know not to waste their time because I gave the deer to some of the workers in the housing area that were hunters and would use the meat instead of wasting it. They didn’t seem pleased with my help but the troops and I met up with the local state troopers for beers later that week and had some laughs.
They redacted the location of the safe house and troops multiple times throughout "True Believer." Several chapters later, they neglected to redact the name of the place, Morocco, during a conversation between Reece and another character.
Likely the location was a city. Sounds ridiculous, but sometimes classification guidelines are illogically specific, e.g. city + name of site = X classification level, but country = type of site = unclassified 🤷♂
As a legal officer on a ship I had to deal with NCIS on a couple of cases onboard. They almost always screwed it up. I don't know if I was just 'lucky' and had to deal with less their best agents or if my experiences were common.
i dont mean to be offtopic but does someone know of a trick to get back into an instagram account? I was stupid forgot the login password. I would love any assistance you can give me
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I was in the Navy and I was questioned by NCIS about a situation in my personal life and they were obviously fishing and I asked them if they actually had any proof that I was involved in any way in the issue they were asking me about and they said no and I got up and told them well call me back when you do get some.
In “Savage Son” they redacted “Development Group”, “SEAL Delivery Vehicle”, “Joint Special Operations Command”, “Combat Application Group” and “Delta”. All open source info. However James Reece had some insane torture methods I never would’ve thought of in my wildest nightmares that wasn’t redacted. Most likely not open source.
Jack Carr is pretty much describing Australian police and Australian laws. Police there literally interview you ask you how you'd do things even if you're innocent and then they will stick charges on you and if you fight it they end up giving you fines on laws that are written to how police and government interpret as law even if they're wrong... And knowing working class Aussies they'll just pay the fine to avoid a bogus charge.
Sadly, i don't think this is true just for US or Australia. I'm French and we have a significant amount of this laws the police or the government can interpret as they want.
Lol, he isn't wrong. I served as a battalion legal chief at one point in my career . If we ever had a case of drugs, murder, rape, etc, NCIS would come in to my office to take our records that were briefed to higher leadership on the who, what when and where; then make it look like they did all the investigation and paperwork
Terminal List is so good not only because of Chris Pratt but incredible writting. It's been a while since I see a well written film. Possibly because writer know what's he writing about. Unlike those Netflix rewriters who "reimagine" with their rainbow mindsets and butchering the original works of pioneers with horrible adaptations.
I hate how implausible Terminal List is. Dude evades specops teams who have drones -- and does it not even in a forest, but the hills of a desert where you can spot people for miles. Then he falls off a cliff with no serious injury. Bad guys in government/military who have all kinds of resources at their disposal can't use drones or satellites to locate a guy who is essentially Amercican Military's Most wanted. Hero is flown around the country by a chick he saved once, and none of the spooks on the bad guy's team are bothering to monitor her, keep track of her flight plans, etc. Hero shows up in the city, blows away a whole team of specops guys and their boss, all with FBI agents and cops standing around, and then he escapes -- IN A CITY. The long list of implausibilities in this series are even worse than those on the Jack Reacher videos.
@2:32. There’s an old joke in law enforcement-what does an FBI agent, NCIS agent, DEA agent, and ATF agent have in common? They’ve all applied to the FBI.
In the Air Force, we had the OSI (essentially the same as the NCIS). While I dont doubt there are legitimate cases they deal with, my general impression was that some special agents were far too willling to make cases out of thin air. This is true of most investigative organizations, so that's not a a particularly pioneering concept. Its just that when youre dealing with a military population of people who've been vetted, with most having clearances, the number of serious crimes is low enough that a bicycle theft can become a bank heist (yes, that's an analogy. I realize agents dont investigate bicycle thefts).
100% making cases out of thin air. I was at Grand Forks back in day, AMXS. OIS busted some airmen at another base (god only knows what) but got them to become an informant. This informant was then PCS'd to different bases to embed in units and try to bait people into illegal activity, like "We should steal these aircraft parts, I know a guy we could sell this radio to." Unfortunately, the dipshit informant had no AMXS background, no flightline experience, didn't know things like "you can't walk across that red line", didn't know what a Technical Order was. Yet you get this E4 supposed to impersonate crew chiefs and specialists, try to sell us drugs, ask us to smuggle drugs, etc. This guy was reported to Security Forces, but SF doesn't report to OSI, so this dude was a dangerous useless menace on the flight line for months until he finally left. A week before he left this guy got hammered at the dorms and at the smoke pit opened up that he's never worked in AMXS and was on "special orders." People put two and two together. OSI monitors all the web traffic on base and I understand the great majority of their work is busting folks for illegal porn.
This is true. Congress mandates a lot of what is to be investigated. Reddit forums do a better job of explaining this. The folks in these comments seem disgruntled due to being investigated or knowing someone investigated.
That’s so true! I’m a ex navy seal here in San Diego and the process of getting out was so gruesome. Fun fact! I’m one of the us navy seals on the game socom us navy seals. 💪🏾
The only times I saw NCIS was when they picked up two of my shipmates for different things. One was apparently a younger e-3 who was messing with a 15 or 16 year old. The other was from a fight at a barracks party that ended with someone getting stabbed with a broken bottle. Both times the NCIS agents were middle aged overweight people, with one looking like a real life Homer Simpson. Neither time had people with tv star good looks or tons of drama.
Regarding the ridiculous redactions. As Navy EOD I had a Stop Secret/Secret clearance plus CNWDI (critical nuclear weapons design information) and I was stunned by what I've seen in movies and documentaries that would have sent me to prison if I ever said it publicly. And still could to this day. Such a crock. Important safety tip: if you ever see a nuke with a clock counting down, just smash it to pieces with the nearest blunt object. It won't detonate. Too complex for that to happen.
My son got put through the ringer by NCIS over complete bullshit. As he was updating me on the investigation, I was thinking back to my days as a Houston cop, thinking "holy shit, the NCIS is a f***ing clown show." I'd have been fired or prosecuted over the shit they were pulling.
I remember while in the Navy, sea duty, we had a NCIS agent come on and talk to the ward room. He actually had the hutzpah to slam the F.B.I. . I told my dad who was still a brick agent in the F.B.I. and he started laughing. "Busting people on piss tests!" Freakin' hilarious!, but true.
NCIS is full of those kids who weren't fast enough when they played tag at recess in elementary school, so they would run to the teacher and say they were being bullied.
Here in the UK "Soldier I SAS" came out in 1989 I believe it was and the author became persona non grata and was no longer able to attend Regimental associations.
Joe Rogan and everyone watching should look up Jason Delgado ! Look up the book scout sniper , great read and I would love to see him on the pod cast 👍
My buddy went to Afghanistan back when shit was poppin off and he has not been the same guy since he returned.. some things in war fuck you up for life.. imagine being deployed multiple times.. some guys r cut out for it but some def are not
I remember that the US Government had problems Tom Clancy’s books until he was able to prove that the material in question actually came from Open Government Sources!
Everybody needs to pay attention to Carr's description of statutory standards at about the 7:15 mark in the video. That standard was explained to me in some of my first law enforcement courses in college back in 1989/90. For a law to be valid, it had to be evident to the average person what it meant. Interpretations outside of that or additional so-called, "implied intent" was not allowed. The "spirit of the law" was only used in a person's defense, not in their prosecution. One of the reasons that the US Supreme Court has been smashing so many gun control statutes lately is due to this recent tendency. They are too broadly stated, not clearly defined and intentional ignore previous Constitutional legal precedent. While I'm no huge fan of Ayn Rand as a person, the line "laws aren't meant to be followed, just selectively enforced" is a great description of the current standard for legislation. This includes the attempts to retroactively trap you by creating a new interpretation that create a crime where a previous interpretation said it was legal. The BATFE is only the most obvious perpetrator of this tactic, but most federal agencies and quite a few States do this now as a form of control. The brace-ruling is an excellent example. The only thing we should be paying attention to are the original statutes that the BATFE are basing their opinions and NOT on the opinions themselves. Those opinions are being used by people within the agency to create conflict.
That's why the first answer is I want to speak to a lawyer and I have the right to remain silent and I chose to use that right. I don't care if they asked me how I wipe my azz, the answers always the same.
I remember when I was giving that advice by the elected district attorney of the county I was living in. He then further stated to me if a cop said if you have nothing to hide there's no reason you shouldn't talk to us and all that other BS you told me the response to that is the first thing you would do to ask for a lawyer and your union rep and then to shut up
Strange that this would be recommended to me on the day I visit the grave of a friend I made in the Navy. Apparently he killed himself in the crawl space of the attic and the body wasn't found until 2 weeks later when the roof in the garage began to leak a dark fluid. I wish the NCIS had looked into his death. Maybe they would have at least found the body when he went missing.
"NCIS is essentially people who couldn't make it in the CIA or FBI and aren't tough enough to be street cops." As some who's watched the JAG spin off, and its various spin-offs, it suddenly makes Gibbs seem a lot less like a bad-ass and more like someone who couldn't make it outside of the military...
Wait, the real NCIS doesn't have an gothic emo computer hacker lady?
And hot women with rockin hot bodies?
They do not...just Cave Trolls.
@@Petebootyfudge5312 well, theres barracks bunnies.
These cop shows are all a lot of bullshit. A lot of government agents aren’t badass or hot; they’re nerdy G-men and two thirds of their job is paperwork and bureaucracy.
@jack daniels That's terrible! Where are these videos? I need to know so I can avoid them...
In a 20 year Navy career I had 2 encounters with NIS (NCIS before they added the C). One involved the theft of $85 from a 6 lane bowling alley. The other was the theft of 30 lbs of processed cheese slices from a galley. Never saw any super villains.
As a Marine yeoman (4421) paralegal my experience with these clowns was horrible. Worst cops I've ever seen
Who the fuck stole 30lbs of cheese XD
@@user-ns3vs3bp3e have you met marines? We can do a lot with 30lbs of cheese
@@jonruger Like make a temporary girlfriend
Mine was over a missing pair of binoculars on a boat I was on.
I'm starting to think the government isn't your friend in any instance.
Oh wow you finally woke up
lol
even President Reagan warned us back in the day. "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "
@@unsaved013 if you think Reagan wasnt part of the problem, you're willfully blinding yourself to your own contradictions
Absolutely the case. IMO the the government is simply a business who's primary function is to do what it can to ensure its own survival by any means necessary. From what I've seen and read, none of the decisions made at any level that can impact substantial change really benefit us as a whole. The decisions made are done to escalate power or a departments reach. By design there's no way for us as a person to get into possible positions to affect this unless you're already a millionaire and by that point your decision making has no understanding what a regular or struggling person really needs. I also think that anyone who does somehow slip in gets a taste of whats on the table and they've got an idea what's possible if they toe the party line. The business is designed so as to anyone who doesnt toe the line gets outed or left behind. If you don't support your party's goals to the letter you become an outcast. I may also be totally off as I haven't had my coffee yet and I'm kinda cranky....LOL
they are awful
"Ncis is essentially people who couldn't make it in the CIA or FBI and aren't tough enough to be street cops." - ouch hahaha
hehe, that's legendary! Brilliant
Most true statement ever
But they still get double, and sometimes triple, of what street cops make per year. In addition, they do less and have to deal with less.. so at the end of the day, who is really getting the last laugh lol
From the USO site: "The real agents do a job equivalent to civilian detectives, but with a focus on the Navy and Marine Corps. Their mission-far broader than the TV shows suggest-includes general and economic crimes, counterterrorism, counterintelligence and crime prevention and being ready to respond at a moment’s notice if there’s a tie to the Navy or Marine Corps.
“We’re usually not the guys that arrive first on the scene,” said Cummings, a West Point graduate who served as a Provost Marshall and completed two combat tours to Iraq. “That would be either your local police department, or if it’s on post … the Navy police.”
On the show, there are often struggles over jurisdiction, which makes things more entertaining. Ed Buice, an NCIS public affairs officer, said that’s not real life. The real agents work closely with other military and civilian agencies, but good relationships and paperwork-a large part of the job-just aren’t entertaining, he added.
The shows’ credibility has made it a global sensation and been a positive for the real agency that spent a lot of time explaining its mission before “NCIS’” 2003 debut.
“If you look at the first actual episode, it shows Gibbs at the airport trying to get on a plane and he’s carrying a weapon. He’s trying to explain who NCIS is and they’re like, ‘Who are you guys?’” Cummings said, adding that scenario actually happened to a former director.
@@hhale they left out the line about agents pulling single out of context lines from interviews to try and incriminate US citizens
My experience with NCIS left me believing that they were a bunch of people that wanted to be in the Navy but hate sailors.
Of course your experience would be unpleasant. By definition. They're investigating you. That doesn't necessarily mean that they "hate" anyone.
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@@Xpistos510 I don't understand why everyone is hating on them, they're enforcing law inside the navy, what's so bad about that
@@adels.185 Nothing is inherently bad about it. But when NCIS personnel start bending rules and engaging in borderline illegal or even legitimately illegal activities to get what they want personally or for an investigation... That's where it becomes an issue. Obviously.
I retired from the Navy. Every NCIS interaction i ever had left a shitty taste in my mouth. Fire alarm goes off in their building in Bahrain for instance, I'm with the fire department. They don't want to leave the building, we are like get the fuck out, if there ends up being smoke and you pass out nobody wants to carry an asshole out. They eventually left. On the ship they walk around like their shit doesn't drink as well.
I enlisted as Army infantry for 3 years. After 3 years I left the service and became a Deputy Sheriff, POST Certified, working the jail and patrol. Got a strong itch to return to the Army, go back to Germany, work with the Poliizei, and work anti terrorism cases (this was before the terrorism field became the popular field full of academic specialists). I returned to active duty and applied for Army CID. Was accepted, school trained in investigations, and deployed. I quickly found out that I was the only Special Agent with civilian law enforcement experience in the offices I worked in. CID was also reactive and not proactive and that CID wanted you to be an agent first and then a soldier until they said be a soldier first and then an agent. All CID wanted to do was put "someone" in the Title Block of the investigation for a solved case resolution. On occasion I worked with NCIS and Air Force investigative personnel. They were no different then CID in attitude and behavior. Jack Carr was absolutely correct when he said NCIS were people who couldn't become FBI agents or get into the CIA. I would say the same would be true for the majority of the Army and Navy investigators.
Absolutely true. All of it.
@@thebronzetoo 😂😂😂😂😂
And here I am trying to leave my 4 year State police gig and apply CID on the civilian side 😅
@J P Why? If I may ask.
@@elevenbravo6439 Do you believe Greg Gregory's story?
He is quite accurate with his characterization about the NCIS people.
Are army cops not patrolling all trained killers... JUST SAYING !!!!
@@MrSeandecaire NCIS doesn't patrol. They sit behind a desk.
Theyre just cops, what do you expect?
@@dlong7146 they do not patrol. Base police and MPs patrol. They investigate. Of course being investigated is uncomfortable.
@@Xpistos510 Especially when the investigators are driven by politics.
My experience in dealing with NCIS and CID (army) - they were generally groups of people that wanted to be elite in one fashion or another (intel, spec ops, spies, etc), but were just not good enough. They, in turn, took this out on everyone else. They were especially nasty when dealing with our elite units - spec ops, rangers, seals, and the like. In a way, it was kind of like a mall cop taking it out on all the kids at the mall. Having watched a couple of the NCIS TV shows, I was absolutely confused with how they were portraying those roles. *Side note - I am sure there were some good agents in these jobs, I just did not have the luxury of crossing paths with any of them.
26 years in the Navy. Most of them seem aloof. Never seen them ultra-tactical that's why I laugh at the TV series. They are mostly reactionary.
@@airplanebuilder8685 - That's true. There is no need to call for a detective to man a gun, work a flight deck, or do most other things needed on a ship or in a garrison environment.
However, though I can't speak to the Navy or Air Force, the emphasis on training in the MP Corps is on the tactical mission. The Military Police were designated as a combat arm and force in the late 70's. At that point, the training emphasis has been on training a specific expanding list of wartime tactical tasks at which MPs need to be proficient. Both tasks, MP and tactical, are trained at the MP school at Ft. Leonard Wood, MO; and, once one graduates the MP school, police-type training is usually done only when MPs rotate onto the police mission, while the majority of the time, MPs, whether line-duty or investigators, are training on the wartime mission tasks. Police training has a far lower priority.
One of the MP wartime missions is escorting logistic convoys and defending them from ambush attacks. If you wonder what that might look like in combat, google Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester. She was a National Guard MP, but the level of training she received at the MP School really came to the fore when a convoy her platoon was escorting came under attack.
USACID agents, most of whom come from the ranks of the MPs, have had the same tactical training as MPs; though, after assignment to CID they typically spend less time training on their tactical missions. Regardless, during wartime, CID agents are expected to demonstrate competency at the MP wartime missions lest they can end up being declassified.
And NCIS REALLY Hates Marines!
Yes that's correct. NCIS/CID is basically like the FBI of the military. It's a civilian mindset regardless of where they originate from. Once you operate on that level you are more focused on the cases, than the comradery.
Just like the ATF they aren't good enough to be in the FBI they don't want the low pay and danger associated with being a street cop so they go around picking on old gun collectors
NCIS: The mall cops of the navy
Richard Marcinko called them the Admirals Gestapo. The NCIS was the NIS up until the Tailhook scandal in the 1990s. They decided to add C or criminal. 🙄
It's like every branch has a hated "mall cops" . When I was in the Army, it was CID that was universally hated.
@schmuck Norris Rogue Warrior, Red Cell were great non fiction books 📚. His early novels were + too, with John Weisman. Demo Dick started to slide in the 2000s.
@schmuck Norris Fearless the film has been delayed many years. 🎬. There was a newer version of Without Remorse(Tom Clancy) with actor Michael B Jordan playing John Clark but I think it was delayed..... Task Force Orange about ISA & John Plaster, US Army Reserves O-4 Ret books about MAC V SOG are great too. 📚
This is not just the NCIS. This is all law enforcement.
I was a US Army MPI detective for most of my nearly 21 years in the Army. The NCIS is the laughing stock of military investigative services. They are the butt of jokes by the Army CID and MPI and the Air Force OSI because they are mostly incompetent. I disagree with Mr. Gregory below. I've known incompetent CID agents but most I've know were very professional. In 1986, my sister, a civilian attorney, was trying to defend a Navy member who'd been charged with 14 different drug offenses that could have landed him more than a 100 years in jail if convicted. She was having trouble getting cooperation from the military and asked me if I'd go on leave an assist her with the case for two weeks., because I knew how things worked in the service. I went on leave and traveled from Ft. McClellan, Al, where I was cadre at the MP School, to Newport, R.I. I spent two weeks investigating the case from a defense point of view and found that the local NCIS office, along with Newport Police Department detectives, had screwed up the evidence and could only prove one of the fourteen offenses. She went into court to defend the guy and he was convicted of only one offense, possession of a single marijuana joint, because the chain of custody on all the rest of the evidence had been broken multiple times. He served 2-1/2 years. The NCIS Special Agent In Charge was like a real-life personification of Homer Simpson. A complete and total idiot that was so full of himself he didn't realize how incompetent he was.
Mike OHandley I heard most convicted servicemen are sent to Fort Leavenworth.
MPI was a joke. Majority of your career? Were you afraid to Do real Soldiering?
MPI for a majority of your career? I call bullshit. MPI is a one and done thing. People don't spend their career in it. You won't make E7 without being a squad leader in a line company first.
But yes, as a former MPI and USACIDC agent they're a joke
It seems incredibly fucked up that he did over 2 years for a fucking joint
@@deusvult6920 - Ho Ho! You call bullshit? Well, hell's bells, don't be a pussy about it - call me a liar.
Well, though I didn't realize I need to provide bonafides here, you are right - one does have to be a troop leader if you want to make E7. In '86/'87 timeframe I landed at McClellan as a SSG and was assigned as a squad leader with the Regimental Aggressor Platoon. In February of '89 I made the E7 list. Later, I was a Platoon Sergeant with the 59th MP Co., in Zwiebrucken, FRG. We deployed to ODS in Dec 90 and returned to Germany in May 91. After that, I transferred directly to Korea where I took over Yongsan customs investigations and later took over ROK/US customs at brigade HQ where I was promoted to MSG. I then transferred to Ft. Carson, where I took over PMO Ops. I retired the following year as a MSG.
Happy now?
During my Naval career as a Senior Chief Master At Arms, I frequently encountered NIS(NCIS) Special Agents. Most of them were very competent, one of the major problems in the Navy was unlawful command influence. The Agents would get pissed but JAG would do nothing about it. I am good friends with several retired Agents and one of them became a Cold Case Detective with a Hampton Roads PD and solved several cold cases related to murder and other crimes.
It's a good way to get a foothold in the civilian side of law enforcement immediately after separation.
After my unit’s tour in Afghanistan in 2011 NCIS came down on us hard. The battalion was all on legal hold for almost a year. They suck.
for what?
@@danielargueta722 NCIS and CID will do anything to show they are 'effective' even if that means accusing innocent people of crimes (war crimes for returning units for example) even if it means trying to prosecute using fraudulent evidence and convicting innocent Marines and Sailors.
@@danielargueta722 Oh yeah and they can claim to be investigating you for as long as they want when your career can't progress when you're under investigation.
@@mocha44714 - You shouldn't speak to things you don't understand. Most of the time, the MPs get it right but occasionally they screw it up. I was an investigator in the Army for nearly two decades. I'd say that in about one out of every twenty cases turned over to us for investigation, the street cops would either lack probable cause, fail to properly advise a suspect of his/her rights before asking incriminating questions, or they'd screw up the evidence chain of custody making the evidence useless. Any of those reasons meant the case could end up being unfounded and could not be prosecuted and had to be closed - either as unsolved or as lacking in sufficient evidence. As investigators, our job was to investigate the case; and, if a suspect had been identified, determine whether there was sufficient evidence to send the case forward to the JAG for prosecution. We didn't have a dog in the fight - all we cared about was proving the case founded or unfounded. I had the opportunity more than once to clear a troop's name and was proud of that fact. As for a troop's career progression - that's entirely up to a commander. While we would investigate a soldier nothing adverse could happen to them career wise unless the investigation concluded that there was sufficient evidence to send it forward to the JAG. The JAG would then decide whether to take it to court or allow the troop's C.O. to deal with it. I saw lots of soldiers get promoted while they were under investigation. That's the way it should be. Until an allegation is proven the soldier is presumed innocent. Most commanders got that, though I do remember a few that were looking for any excuse possible to flag a soldier's career because they'd already made up their mind, even before the soldier had offended, that they were going to find a means to deep six that troop one way or the other. Like I said, that's up to the C.O. and, since most offenses in the military can be handled with non-judicial punishment, troops are at the mercy of their C.O.s - not the investigators.
☝️you could've filled atleast 3 sandbags in the time it took you to type that... 😉
Act of Valor was officially sanctioned primarily as a recruiting tool.
Same thing with Navy recruitment ads in SOCOM: US Navy Seals. Game was funded by the DOD.
@@jillvalentinefan77 Fact. Both SOCOM and ACT OF VALOR were known about and partly funded by the DoD. When numbers get low or we need people - content will be sanctioned.There were a lot of things in SOCOM that were not known commons about the USN. For instance, some of the weapons - the XM8 was something that was kind of hush hush at the time but it is a usable weapon in the game. The most recent MoH game actually had a lot more content including guns that was not approved by the DoD. Many service members got their pee pee slapped for talking about some things.
@@RANDY_MAR5H OH yeah I remember that controversy. I bet most the dudes playing the game thought it was a made up gun or something but MoH just laid all the cards out and left themselves to get fucked by the green weenie. The developers ain't even military lmao
@@jillvalentinefan77 I don't think they made up a gun, I think they added actual guns that were used OR maybe didn't make the cut as far as trials for military weapons go. It's certainly possible, But I know that the first game actually did have correct names for things. The second one had like 40 variations of the m4 and that was about it. Great game though
@@RANDY_MAR5H Good games better times.
Are you telling me that Mark Harmon wasn't REALLY a member of NCIS?
Are you telling me you actually watch that crap
@@imincognito7049 I don't watch it and even I know that. Unfortunately. lol
That's just what they want you to think
It’s not even a terrible show though.
I'm Incognito my grandpa watches NCIS: LA every single time it comes on. When I lived with him I contemplated suicide a few times. Lol
Joe: "Im gonna have a military guy on, better wear a hat too."
Lmaooo 😂
Joe should’ve dressed like George Washington in full garb.
@@geetarguy777 just call it tartan
When I was in there was an incident with a piece of non classified equipment that came up missing from the supply room. A friend had OOD over the weekend it was “moved”, after there “questioning “ my buddy just stated “look search my stuff, apartment, vehicle, what ever”. They said they “didn’t have enough for a consensual search”. Then they threaten the supply PO with prosecution and deportation, then they figured it out. The only person onboard with a key on that Friday afternoon was the C.O. And after the C.O. announced that if it was returned there would be “no questions asked”. Amazingly the gear was “found’ on the C.O.’s desk the following day (by the way the office had been locked and that’s right only the C.O. had a key). When I encountered the NCIS agents I encouraged them to apologize tp the supply P.O. that they threatened, because we all knew who took it. NCIS is a joke, they were afraid to bring the officer up on charges, but all to happy to ruin an enlisted persons life.
One of the funniest things I ever witnessed was arrogant NCIS agent being sea sick...
Karmas a puking bitch!!!
I got investigated by NIS (before they were NCIS) while on Recruiting Duty in Jersey. I had to drive over to Brooklyn. I was the only guy in the waiting area, sat there for 20-30 minutes past my appointment time, guy comes out with a clipboard looks around the room and says my name. I raise my hand like “Bro, I’m the only guy sittin’ here”. Walked into the guy’s office. The only thing on the desk is a file folder the size of a New York City phone book with my name written across it in huge letters. My first thought was “This is bullshit. I didn’t put that many people in the Navy”. The guy said that he’d like to ask me some questions about my recruits. I told him that I would not discuss anything without my attorney present. The interview was terminated and I drove back to Jersey.
🤣what a f*ckin’ loser, that guy…lol
Are you allowed to refuse to answer questions without a lawyer in the military?
@@dgd947a15fl Q. What rights do I have regarding making statements and speaking with an attorney?
A. As a military service member, you have specific rights under Article 31(b) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and under the military’s version of “Miranda Rights,” known as “Miranda / Tempia Rights.”
PLEASE NOTE: If you are suspected of committing misconduct, then any attempt to interview you should begin with the investigator / questioner telling you that you are suspected of a specific violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice or civilian criminal laws. They must tell you what the nature of the violation is so that you may direct your answers specifically to those allegations.
When interrogated, you should be told the following:
You have the right to remain silent;
Any statement you make may be used against you in a trial by court-martial (or any court of law);
You have the right to consult with a lawyer before any questioning. This lawyer may be a civilian lawyer retained by you at your own expense, a military lawyer appointed to act as your lawyer (for the purposes of assisting you with the questioning) without cost to you, or both;
You have the right to have such retained civilian lawyer and/or appointed military lawyer present during this interview; and
If you decide to answer questions without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop the interview at any time. You also have the right to stop answering questions at any time in order to obtain a lawyer.
This guy has the perfect name for a car thief in a movie.
Carr, Jack
Hahaha.....definitely could have been a character in GTA
lmao
“Jack Carr, jacks cars”
I only had one experience with NCIS and it left a very negative impression on me. I was OCONUS guarding a gate with a 100% hand check ID check policy. NCIS rolled up refused to do more then flash credentials with no picture ID inside their wallet and would not remove it for inspection. I could see they had proper ID in their center console, but they refused to surrender that when asked. The whole thing turned into a cluster fuck with my partner wanting to get into a pissing match with the agents, the agents calling some admiral, and me in the middle trying to pass the whole bullshit cluster off to my Sgt.
Army CID were neither good nor bad, just sort of in-between.
I only met AF-OSI once, but they were not regular agents. I met a PSD team protecting a General at a CONUS event. They were really cool.
Cool story bro, but NCIS doesn’t issue creds without photo ID
@@VirginiaNative1646 yes, but they did not want to show their ID. I am sure they had them in their wallet, they were just playing dick measuring games.
If NCIS/CID/AFOSI starts asking you questions: Get. A. Lawyer.
Jack is awesome, thanks for having him on your channel/podcast.
02:30 HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT NCIS! It's not that glamorized view that a senior citizen NCIS agent and his wonder team wants you all the believe on CBS.
Everyone loves holding people accountable until it's them in the cross hairs.
@Eddie R You sound like kinda person I referenced in my original comment. All snowflake sensitive and shit, that's why u all like...I have to respond cause my feelings are hurt by what he said.
@Eddie R look at this keyboard warrior calling people pussies from the safety of his keyboard
@Eddie R do something more constructive with your time like go protest that you can't get a haircut because of quarantine.
@Eddie R That reply, has left me speechless. If you didn't have a profile pic I would of taken you for an angry 12 year old. And you enjoy calling out pussy mfs? Good job, good fucking job...
Oh wow such a bad ass comment ooooo lol
I retired from the military. I had contact with my service’s equivalent to the Navy NCIS. Spot on description of these people.
David Watson that sucks honestly. One of my goals is to join NCIS. Definitely wouldn’t want to send the wrong person to jail or try and get an innocent person to confess to some BS thing. I’ve heard a lot of bad things about NCIS and so I hope it changes soon.
CID blows.
@@ryancaughill5662 Navy guys look at NCIS like cops view Internal Affairs which is the nature of their job. When I was active duty, I stayed away from them unless I had to. No positive interactions during my 26-year career. But you can still try to be one of the good ones.
the broad-written rules so they can go after anybody for something it's painfully real.
Makes me feel bad for cops. I deal with them daily where I work and they are so rule bound and dictated by law-authors and others above them but take all the risk and still get shit on by the public half the time... It sucks.
What was the catch all of the UCMJ? Conduct unbecoming or some shit like that. If they want to get you they will.
@@Hopdvil Article 134, General Article.
(Conduct unbecoming only applies to commissioned officers).
@@jsquared1013 No, it doesn't apply solely to commissioned officers.
www.bileckilawgroup.com/court-martial-defense/articles-of-the-ucmj/article-134-offenses/
There are 54 criminal offenses that 134 covers.
Air Force OSI is no better. I served 8 years in the Air Force while pursuing my B.A in Criminal Justice. For one assignment, I had to interview a CJ professional and chose OSI because I thought of going thay route, at at one point. Long story short, im interviewing the special agent and he starts trying to get information from me about who is dealing/using drugs in my Squadron. Luckily, I was smart enough to realize what was going on amd tried to bring the interview back to what I was there for. Then they guve me a card and say, " you can check our website for any information" Told my professor and she was understanding to the situation.
I was an AF cop (SF/SP) for eleven (11) years. We had a fellow handler married to the senior OSI agent on base, at a major nuclear installation. To call them a shit show, would be an insult to shit shows, everywhere.
@@KZSoze 🤣🤣🤣
While I'm sure the writing and subjects are fascinating, I'm going to buy his books and Owen's second book out of spite alone.
Jack Carr is the real deal. We wore the same uniform. He’s a national treasure.
Some of my soldiers were caught up in a drug op where a dealer implicated others and got off free. The idea is to get more arrests rather than the real bad guy. One of those arrested and convicted was a stellar soldier--good worker, pleasant, competent. He had passed an envelope to someone for someone else. It did not appear that he knew there was contraband in it. When convicted the agents high-fived each other. They had just ruined someone's life. The law enforcers in the military, as is the case with their civilian counterparts do not see themselves as part of the community, the military brotherhood. They act like they're king of the jungle and the rest of us are their prey.
This isn't a description I see a lot, "[they] do not see themselves as part of the community... They act like they're king of the jungle and the rest of us are their prey."
Nobody's commented yet so I just wanted to say, well said. I think we all know folks that received a tiny bit of special authority and stopped being able to see the forest for the trees -- if that can happen with fake power in team or office or just generally work environments, I don't get why it's such a hard concept for folks to wrap their heads around that cops or any group with authority would by default be any different and should be presumed to be magically better.
after his description of NCIS, i'll piss myself laughing the next time i see Special Agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs !
Read some accounts from Marine officers who had to request NCIS conduct investigations into actaul crimes .... and NCIS ignored request leaving MP, who are not qualified to conduct investigations to carry the load. Then have charges dismissed because of it.
Why we always need those first two amendments.
Except that in the Military you exist under the UCMJ not the constitution
the eye contact between military people or fighters stands out. i fucking love it, feels genuine.
He’s right about historians using these first person accounts. Can you imagine if we had first person accounts from the Celts, the Romans, the Vikings, the Gaels etc? The medieval times to us will be the equivalent as us to the people of the future.
..... Except there's literally video evidence of what's happening nowadays. That's an awful comparison
Video isn't everywhere. And even if it was, it doesn't capture motive, emotion, etc.
You can read Julius Caesar’s account of his conquest of Gaul. Just know that it’s… kinda one sided lol
@@sjones5616 One sided indeed. It would be good to have the opponent's account of the Gauls' war and the Civil War.
Typical Navy oversight: Threaten entire community of the most highly trained, professional, bad-ass killers on the planet (that you, yourself trained).
broad brush there, most are honorable, but there have been some indicted for criminal action like murder and theft like in the case of that green beret that two Seals killed to prevent him revealing they were stealing funds for personal use. These are highly trained and deadly individuals and if they go rogue/criminal then you have a whole lot of trouble
@@jc4jax you constructed a straw man's fallacy, read the comment again. I didn't claim that there weren't any bad apples. What I said was that threatening/intimidating all of the Navy Seals was a bad idea on the part of the Navy's leadership, given the Seal's level of lethality, and that it was trained into them on the Navy's dime.
@@jimb2970 so did you lok
"Laws are written very broadly so the government can interpret them any way they want." Didn't the Soviet Union do that too?
No. The Soviets had no pretense of governing based on the rule of law. They were a totalitarian state. They ruled via radical partisanship and ideology, on the whims of the dictator. What the dictator says, is law.
They did, actually. One of the most infamous abuses of this was the Soviet mental health "laws". They were written so broadly that they could claim pretty much anybody was "crazy" and put them in an "asylum" (read: prison, gulag, etc).
Just ask Eddie G about how upstanding ncis is
What a waste of a department
Along with the atf
@@roxanna1971 and the CIA, and the NSA, and the EPA, and the IRS...we could go on I'm sure.
@@kylespade5958 Is this what it come to? Republicans are thinking there shouldn't be a governement? What a fucking joke
@@OncleJer What is it coming to, Democrats wanting abolishing the Bill of Rights and giving the Fed absolute control of our freedom?
@@OncleJer No. Republicans and more so libertarians see it excessive in size, inept, and rampant with mindless bureaucracy. That doesn't mean it shouldn't exit, only too much of it does.
So true everything he said. Have the same experiences with CID. Shady, manipulative, and more interesting in getting something, rather than stewarding the profession and upholding the law.
we had an ex Belgian MP officer as one of those people at school you could go talk to if you were having any issues or problems in class that you didn't want to talk to a teacher about (a counsellor of sorts) except he was the most twisted manipulative POS ever. if he wanted you to snitch on a classmate, he'd threaten to call your parents about it, then promise he wouldn't call your parents if you told him what he wanted to know, and then proceed to call your parents and tell them you were involved in the bullying incident or whatever it was about because you had "inside knowledge" about it. definitely failed interpol entry exam and thought of himself as some smart CIA/NSA detective type deal. Absolute twat of a guy that nobody trusted within 3 months of him working at our school.
NSA doesn't have "detectives", they do SIGINT. Bunch of nerds in an office with no windows doing computer stuff and translating audio and documents.
Sorry you had to deal with such a jerk-bag. Seems like military investigators are douchebags everywhere.
Based on my experiences also you hit the nail on the head with the description of NCIS.
I hated NCIS in the Marine Corps
Arrggjtb were they constantly harassing or just looming in the background observing everything?
@@bsr9279 they would get on to these "investigations" were they were sure to catch the next spice king pin and harras you at parties on in town. Make every one show military IDs and then leave.
Arrggjtb that sounds kinda gay
@@bsr9279 like having an extra cops that doesn't need a warrant
Bro I got an OTH for popping on a piss test after a 96. NCIS had me goin undercover to bust people dealing to Marines. I'll do a video about it soon subscribe to me I really want to tell my story and I think people would want to hear it
"No one else submits fiction." What about Richard Marcinko?
Richard Marcinko's first book was an auto biography and he went to jail for publishing it.
It looks like they wanted to pull off the same stunt on Carr like they did Marcinko (stolen equipment charges).
@@anthonylautzenheiser3802 Marchiinko went to jail for the company he was a part of defrauding them in a Arms procurement deal,. He took a kickback of over 100K. It had nothing to do with his book,
Shark man of the delta
I was interviewed by NCIS regrading some other sailors I had associated with who were selling drugs. I didn’t do anything wrong but they sure made me feel like I did hahaha. It was in one of those white rooms with the camera in the corner.
Back in deployment of 2016, the NCIS assigned to my ship had nothing better to do than to investigate a fraternization case between an E8 and an E3.
They're trash.
I'm sure the E3 was a female and needed to be protected (he said with extreme sarcasm). I've seen lower enlisted females throw it at E7's and above so they could get preferential treatment......only to cry foul when it didn't work out the way they wanted.
I mean, what else is there to do on a ship?
They used to be just NIS back in the 80’s. Once the NCIS TV show came out, they changed it to sound cool. As a Marine officer, I worked with them on occasion. Never saw so much polyester and bad haircuts in my life.
Lol you don’t even know why they changed the name. You definitely got out of the marine corps as a major. You were too dumb to make it to battalion CO.
Air Force Office of Special Investigations are exactly the same. I was a law enforcement specialist at McGuire AFB in the 80s. They got me out of bed at 3 in the morning to “help them” on an investigation. Same thinking “We’re on the same team”. No, they are trying to jam up a New Jersey State Trooper who allegedly discharged his firearm while chasing a wounded deer through base housing (all unoccupied for renovations). I didn’t know it at the time but all of the AF responders that day had been called in one at a time for interviews. The trooper had not reported to his command firing any rounds but rumors swirled that he had shot the deer (we eventually got permission to put it down with a shotgun, it was dying anyway) and his leadership and the base command wanted his ass on a plate. Well, none of us remembered the trooper cracking off any shots (memory is a funny thing) and at the end of the interview they told me all of us were going to get jammed up because they knew they were going to find 9mm bullets in the carcass when they got it from the animal control center at ft Dix. I then actually helped them on their investigation by letting them know not to waste their time because I gave the deer to some of the workers in the housing area that were hunters and would use the meat instead of wasting it. They didn’t seem pleased with my help but the troops and I met up with the local state troopers for beers later that week and had some laughs.
He's right about NIS/NCIS.
They're clowns that couldn't make the cut as real investigators or street cops.
They redacted the location of the safe house and troops multiple times throughout "True Believer." Several chapters later, they neglected to redact the name of the place, Morocco, during a conversation between Reece and another character.
Likely the location was a city. Sounds ridiculous, but sometimes classification guidelines are illogically specific, e.g. city + name of site = X classification level, but country = type of site = unclassified 🤷♂
His pace when he talks makes me feel like I can’t breath lol
He sounds like he had too much coffee.
As a legal officer on a ship I had to deal with NCIS on a couple of cases onboard. They almost always screwed it up. I don't know if I was just 'lucky' and had to deal with less their best agents or if my experiences were common.
"All the money went to the government, plus taxes."
Let that one sit there...
Sounds like a great book.
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I was in the Navy and I was questioned by NCIS about a situation in my personal life and they were obviously fishing and I asked them if they actually had any proof that I was involved in any way in the issue they were asking me about and they said no and I got up and told them well call me back when you do get some.
And I always have done same thing in any case where cops have questioned me in my life just tell them to go piss up a tree.
Lol
Gibbs would be pissed! They should have spoken about this in a lift with a pause button, standard practice. And btw, never apologise!
Ah rule number 6
In “Savage Son” they redacted “Development Group”, “SEAL Delivery Vehicle”, “Joint Special Operations Command”, “Combat Application Group” and “Delta”. All open source info. However James Reece had some insane torture methods I never would’ve thought of in my wildest nightmares that wasn’t redacted. Most likely not open source.
"they took 45 days which I thought was pretty good because they said it would be 30"
That is a pretty good turn around for anything reviewed by military boards. If it says June well you will be lucky to get it in early October
Government bureaucracy in a nutshell.
Jack Carr is pretty much describing Australian police and Australian laws. Police there literally interview you ask you how you'd do things even if you're innocent and then they will stick charges on you and if you fight it they end up giving you fines on laws that are written to how police and government interpret as law even if they're wrong... And knowing working class Aussies they'll just pay the fine to avoid a bogus charge.
Sadly, i don't think this is true just for US or Australia. I'm French and we have a significant amount of this laws the police or the government can interpret as they want.
Lol, he isn't wrong. I served as a battalion legal chief at one point in my career . If we ever had a case of drugs, murder, rape, etc, NCIS would come in to my office to take our records that were briefed to higher leadership on the who, what when and where; then make it look like they did all the investigation and paperwork
Is nice when Joe has someone other than a comedian on.
Or an MMA guy
@@Zaph501 those are hit and miss. Check ok the Justin wren one. Hes in the congo alot
Joe’s interviews are consistently tell me about that, well, maybe, sure, I agree- becomes Beavis and gets high or talks about mushrooms.
Coming back after watching terminal list, listening to this is fun.
Terminal List is so good not only because of Chris Pratt but incredible writting. It's been a while since I see a well written film. Possibly because writer know what's he writing about. Unlike those Netflix rewriters who "reimagine" with their rainbow mindsets and butchering the original works of pioneers with horrible adaptations.
I hate how implausible Terminal List is. Dude evades specops teams who have drones -- and does it not even in a forest, but the hills of a desert where you can spot people for miles. Then he falls off a cliff with no serious injury. Bad guys in government/military who have all kinds of resources at their disposal can't use drones or satellites to locate a guy who is essentially Amercican Military's Most wanted. Hero is flown around the country by a chick he saved once, and none of the spooks on the bad guy's team are bothering to monitor her, keep track of her flight plans, etc. Hero shows up in the city, blows away a whole team of specops guys and their boss, all with FBI agents and cops standing around, and then he escapes -- IN A CITY. The long list of implausibilities in this series are even worse than those on the Jack Reacher videos.
There is no better interview than Jack Carr!
@2:32. There’s an old joke in law enforcement-what does an FBI agent, NCIS agent, DEA agent, and ATF agent have in common? They’ve all applied to the FBI.
In the Air Force, we had the OSI (essentially the same as the NCIS). While I dont doubt there are legitimate cases they deal with, my general impression was that some special agents were far too willling to make cases out of thin air. This is true of most investigative organizations, so that's not a a particularly pioneering concept. Its just that when youre dealing with a military population of people who've been vetted, with most having clearances, the number of serious crimes is low enough that a bicycle theft can become a bank heist (yes, that's an analogy. I realize agents dont investigate bicycle thefts).
100% making cases out of thin air. I was at Grand Forks back in day, AMXS. OIS busted some airmen at another base (god only knows what) but got them to become an informant. This informant was then PCS'd to different bases to embed in units and try to bait people into illegal activity, like "We should steal these aircraft parts, I know a guy we could sell this radio to." Unfortunately, the dipshit informant had no AMXS background, no flightline experience, didn't know things like "you can't walk across that red line", didn't know what a Technical Order was. Yet you get this E4 supposed to impersonate crew chiefs and specialists, try to sell us drugs, ask us to smuggle drugs, etc. This guy was reported to Security Forces, but SF doesn't report to OSI, so this dude was a dangerous useless menace on the flight line for months until he finally left. A week before he left this guy got hammered at the dorms and at the smoke pit opened up that he's never worked in AMXS and was on "special orders." People put two and two together. OSI monitors all the web traffic on base and I understand the great majority of their work is busting folks for illegal porn.
This is true. Congress mandates a lot of what is to be investigated. Reddit forums do a better job of explaining this. The folks in these comments seem disgruntled due to being investigated or knowing someone investigated.
I've never thought a SEAL would be on JRE talking about MIO boardings and make it sound so interesting.
That’s so true! I’m a ex navy seal here in San Diego and the process of getting out was so gruesome. Fun fact! I’m one of the us navy seals on the game socom us navy seals. 💪🏾
Really?
Yeah right.
THEJUDGEMENTAL BEAGLE yes really ps2 days
Kevin Zhang yes I know I’m right 🦦
What character did you voice?
You can tell he's done things, bad-ass unspeakable things.
#SixGuysOneCup
The only times I saw NCIS was when they picked up two of my shipmates for different things. One was apparently a younger e-3 who was messing with a 15 or 16 year old. The other was from a fight at a barracks party that ended with someone getting stabbed with a broken bottle. Both times the NCIS agents were middle aged overweight people, with one looking like a real life Homer Simpson. Neither time had people with tv star good looks or tons of drama.
I’m so thankful for this podcast
Regarding the ridiculous redactions. As Navy EOD I had a Stop Secret/Secret clearance plus CNWDI (critical nuclear weapons design information) and I was stunned by what I've seen in movies and documentaries that would have sent me to prison if I ever said it publicly. And still could to this day. Such a crock. Important safety tip: if you ever see a nuke with a clock counting down, just smash it to pieces with the nearest blunt object. It won't detonate. Too complex for that to happen.
As a physicist, I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
@@joelwillis2043 which one? CNWDI or the safety tip?
the clock or the bomb?
When I was in Military Intelligence, our motto was "no poly, no statement, no waiver".
Really?
Deny everything, admit nothing, demand proof.
When you fall asleep to something else and wake up to JRE
AGAIN
I have never seen a former soldier say anything that would make me even halfway consider serving the government in the armed forces in any capacity.
Good choice, sir.
How about if the point is the mission?
@@dgd947a15fl What does that even mean?
@@dgd947a15fl Sure, but now the mission is to be woke and part of a politically correct social experiment. I'm glad I'm done with it.
That's OK, Luke. Not everyone can be a Marine. And I think the other services can do without you.
Jack’s books are Amaze-balls!!
"They interpret the laws the way they need to" kinda like how we're finding out about Mike Flynn.
And Eddie Gallagher.
All law enforcement does.
That's why you never talk to them.
I don't even respond to "hello" from one in a convenience store.
Jack "Because I'm so creative" Carr
My son got put through the ringer by NCIS over complete bullshit. As he was updating me on the investigation, I was thinking back to my days as a Houston cop, thinking "holy shit, the NCIS is a f***ing clown show." I'd have been fired or prosecuted over the shit they were pulling.
They redacted some decent chunks of his books too. Sentences here or there and than suddenly two pages.
I remember while in the Navy, sea duty, we had a NCIS agent come on and talk to the ward room. He actually had the hutzpah to slam the F.B.I. . I told my dad who was still a brick agent in the F.B.I. and he started laughing. "Busting people on piss tests!" Freakin' hilarious!, but true.
Navy Conor:...”Fook da police”
NCIS is full of those kids who weren't fast enough when they played tag at recess in elementary school, so they would run to the teacher and say they were being bullied.
Terminal List was so damn good. Jack's cameo killed me.
Wanna learn about the NCIS? Bring Chief Eddie Gallagher on the podcast Joe.
PureShooter13 the dude that literally the entire military wanted to punish? Wasn’t just the NCIS buddy
33moneyball they sent a fake document to his attorneys to HACK their computers...
Here in the UK "Soldier I SAS" came out in 1989 I believe it was and the author became persona non grata and was no longer able to attend Regimental associations.
Joe Rogan and everyone watching should look up Jason Delgado !
Look up the book scout sniper , great read and I would love to see him on the pod cast 👍
One of my favorite authors.
My buddy went to Afghanistan back when shit was poppin off and he has not been the same guy since he returned.. some things in war fuck you up for life.. imagine being deployed multiple times.. some guys r cut out for it but some def are not
Holy shit....can we get more....Navy SEALs please...it's been a solid week since we haven't had one on..
Need to put Michael Scarn in one of his books
They were vetting u to steal that belt fed in the cleanest manor
I remember that the US Government had problems Tom Clancy’s books until he was able to prove that the material in question actually came from Open Government Sources!
That was "Hunt for Red October." His source was Jane's. The govt had a hard time believing Clancy didn't have a classified source.
Everybody needs to pay attention to Carr's description of statutory standards at about the 7:15 mark in the video. That standard was explained to me in some of my first law enforcement courses in college back in 1989/90. For a law to be valid, it had to be evident to the average person what it meant. Interpretations outside of that or additional so-called, "implied intent" was not allowed. The "spirit of the law" was only used in a person's defense, not in their prosecution. One of the reasons that the US Supreme Court has been smashing so many gun control statutes lately is due to this recent tendency. They are too broadly stated, not clearly defined and intentional ignore previous Constitutional legal precedent. While I'm no huge fan of Ayn Rand as a person, the line "laws aren't meant to be followed, just selectively enforced" is a great description of the current standard for legislation. This includes the attempts to retroactively trap you by creating a new interpretation that create a crime where a previous interpretation said it was legal. The BATFE is only the most obvious perpetrator of this tactic, but most federal agencies and quite a few States do this now as a form of control. The brace-ruling is an excellent example. The only thing we should be paying attention to are the original statutes that the BATFE are basing their opinions and NOT on the opinions themselves. Those opinions are being used by people within the agency to create conflict.
When I was in the Navy they were still called just NIS. You could spot them a mile away. Black suits, black shoes expressionless faces
I only got one NCIS interrogation ever, and it infuriated me.
That's why the first answer is I want to speak to a lawyer and I have the right to remain silent and I chose to use that right. I don't care if they asked me how I wipe my azz, the answers always the same.
I remember when I was giving that advice by the elected district attorney of the county I was living in. He then further stated to me if a cop said if you have nothing to hide there's no reason you shouldn't talk to us and all that other BS you told me the response to that is the first thing you would do to ask for a lawyer and your union rep and then to shut up
Strange that this would be recommended to me on the day I visit the grave of a friend I made in the Navy. Apparently he killed himself in the crawl space of the attic and the body wasn't found until 2 weeks later when the roof in the garage began to leak a dark fluid. I wish the NCIS had looked into his death. Maybe they would have at least found the body when he went missing.
"NCIS is essentially people who couldn't make it in the CIA or FBI and aren't tough enough to be street cops." As some who's watched the JAG spin off, and its various spin-offs, it suddenly makes Gibbs seem a lot less like a bad-ass and more like someone who couldn't make it outside of the military...
It was such a good scene in the show too
Jack "a buddy of mine" Carr
Good for Jack's lawyers. They were on the ball. And kept their eye on the ball.