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Sci-Fi Classic Review: DUNE (1984)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ธ.ค. 2019
- No, 1984's Dune is not an objectively "great" film; it is flawed, at best. That doesn't make it any less of a classic, though, or any less worthy of study. One thing I don't mention: some of the costumes for the space guild were made from USED body bags. The wearers of said costumes weren't told that until after they'd already worn them.
If you're looking for a "review" in the traditional sense, then let me just say I love this movie. This video, however, is a "review" in the literal sense (using the Miriam-Webster definition "a retrospective view or survey"), in that I'm going over the history of the film and its place in sci-fi cinema history.
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I have always loved this movie. Saw it in college in 84. It has its flaws design and soundtrack are great.
The best SFX was Kyle's amazing hair. Seriously.
I never thought this movie was a “piece of garbage”, I always enjoyed it very much. Of course it has it’s faults and if someone is not familiar with the story the assessment might be different, but I am familiar and I have my opinion! Thank you for your review and the information regarding the development of the movie.
This is one of my favorite Science Fiction films.
I just watched it for the first time and there is something I really enjoyed about it but it felt super rushed, I was at a loss most of the time.
When I read the book, I was picturing elements of both the movie and the sci-fi mini series’s
Good for you.
I am one of those fans who fell in love with it the first time I saw it. Have seen it at least a half dozen times. The criticism it's hard to follow is not true. Even as a kid I knew what was going on rather easily.
Not even close to one of the cinemas biggest failures.
Lynch's version of DUNE is such a anomaly (and yes I am aware of the other versions) but his is such a abstract and bizarre rendering by a major studio.
For all its many faults it is still worthwhile and many elements are superb production design, costume design and sound are all brilliant.
Faults though are in its storytelling (this maybe due to studio interference) & the questionable multiple voice overs.
Its merits far outweigh it's faults though and even though the Villeneuve version is looking towards been definitive version DUNE (84);should not be dismissed as a turkey or waste of time.
Great review
Hated this on first viewing. Then I watched it weekly for about a year on VHS in the 80's. Love it now! Great video and informative.
1st DVD I ever bought was this film. I still enjoy it today.
A very complex shoot. I actually found it interesting to watch. I have not read the novel yet. I'm a big fan of David Lynch's work over the decades.
While the new Dune is solid, this original has a special place. It's pretty much what you'd expect, Dune told in an incredibly visual and arthouse style. And it has some incredible moments there.
I did enjoy Dune as well. As a kid it was kind of a boring slog for me, but after rewatching it once I got older (and after finally having read the novel inbetween), I really appreciated it for its look and ambition. It's certainly not perfect, but imho quite a good adaptation considering the running time.
As you say, there are moments in this film that I can never forget. I do wish the Princess had more, she’s so important in later narratives. Another problem is the Herbert’s central idea is to distrust heroes while Hollywood , especially in SF and Fan films, continues to put forth traditional heroes.
I know this is an older video, but I just discovered this channel a few weeks ago and I need to comment on this one. I loved this movie ever since I saw it in the theater in 1984. Only movie I ever went to where you got a pamphlet that explained the back story. Since I like to read I considered this a plus, but I am sure to most people the concept of reading something in a movie theater was incomprehensible. Critics generally hate scifi, and I'm sure the religious aspect probably didn't help. Anyway, been liking all your reviews, and please keep making them.
I do love this movie, I re-watch my DVD about once a year. I first read the novel when the movie was announced, way-back-when. It's flawed and odd, but it's also unique, visually stunning, and the cast is amazing.
My little brother and I were reading new comic books in like 1986, and the letters page of a DC "Star Trek" comic announced that Patrick Stewart was going to be the captain in the new TNG series. "Patrick Stewart!" I exclaimed to my brother - "Gurney from "Dune", and from "Excalibur"! This is going to be great!"
"I dare anyone to try to read Herbert's novel after seeing this movie and not picture these designs." So true. I tried reading the book for the first time about two months ago, after having not seen the film in probably 20 years. I still couldn't help but think of the movie world.
Watched it again just now really great until towards the end where the rush a lot of stuff.
The book does that too unfortunately
The whole time I'm watching it, I wonder if it might be better received if it was re composited using digital techniques, but then you get into color grading and rotoscoping and at that point, you might as commit the ultimate movie sin: make a Special Edition.
No wonder movies are rebooted these days.
11 year old me seeing it in the theater in 1984 was thoroughly confused - the tech seemed really backwards, no computers, etc. The Irulan prologue just didn't give enough backstory to understand the world we were being thrown into. In fact, I remember the theater handing out "cheat sheets" with a glossary of terms just to try to bring people up to speed faster.
As I saw it again in reruns on TV later in life, it very much held my interest and I will ALWAYS consider this THE DUNE movie... The Sci-Fi channel's miniseries was a low-budget crapshoot IMO. The new one has potential, but I will always compare it back to the old one, and I just do not like their choice of Timothy Chamolet as Paul... He just doesn't have enough screen presence, with too feminine features to come across as the "supreme being" / "mesiah" character Paul is supposed to be.
Lynch's film is a great case of what could have been. The production design, costumes, soundtrack and overall look of the movie are fantastic and no one could mistake it for anything other than a David Lynch film. However, although it captures the world of Dune it fails to tell the story of Dune. Despite the film being eventually butchered by the studio I don't think we would ever have gotten that story even if Lynch had been given final cut. Ultimately I think Lynch was enamoured with the world and it's cast of characters but wasn't overly invested in the drama, complex thematics, narrative heft and minutiae of Herbert's novel. Hopefully Villeneuve's take will rectify this and we'll get a Dune which not only looks and sounds great but is able to fully articulate all the novels interlocking narrative threads.
I remembered the first time I saw this film, I rented it. And loved it! Went out and bought the VHS tape. Game of Thrones in space.
I am very very angry that the new Dune is delayed until Oct 2021. Thankfully I am one of the cult that likes '84 Dune.
Ah, a fellow cult member! Let us share the secret handshake and commiserate over the year-long delay in the new movie.
Dune part 2 now delayed until 2024 instead of this fall.
dont give up man
I'm not planning on it!
I Love Dune! Own the special edition dvd.
I really can't find any obvious flaws in Lynch's Dune, much much better than nowadays boring superhero comic movies.
Loved the book. Like many of the cast. Hated this film. The only time I remember walking out of a movie theatre in disgust early.
I admire the love and courage that Lynch had to have to get this accomplished.
When it first came out, I rather liked it and could never understand how people couldn't follow the plot. I don't think I'd put it on my "Must See" short list, but it certainly isn't a bad film. I'[d call it more of a darned good try that failed to knock it out of the park.
The only incomprehensible thing about this film is that people tried to adapt it into a single film instead of two or three.
I've never understood the criticisms of this movie: I absolutely loved it, and I've watched it I don't know how many times. Yes, it's complicated, but then so too is the original novel. Read the novel first, and it all makes sense, and you'll be impressed with how faithfully Herbert's vision is realised.
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I tried to watch the theatrical release three times and fell asleep every time. "Dune" is a soporific.
I admit I struggled with it, though some scenes were quite brilliant. Still, I don't think every science fiction film fan loved it. Much like "2001: A Space Odyssey", the pacing was plodding and uneven.
I loved Dune......oh.....Sean Young too BTW!
11:10..." -12 Million " The critics reaction was pretty lol.
Dexter Fletcher as Paul would have been marvelous.
The Baron's face problem ruins it for me
A buddy of mine worked at the theater that I saw this movie. While walking out, I mentioned to him that there was a typo on the marquee. The "e" in the title should have clearly been a "g"...
This movie is the embodiment of too many chefs in the kitchen. And many of those chefs clearly have no idea how the oven works.
I've never been a huge fan of Dune, but it didn't deserve this nonsense.
Coming from Elephant Man such a big let down. The dialogue and plot were victims.
The sets and design amazing, however, it can’t hold it for 2 hours.
And some of those
Special effects - they were completely over their heads.
Yes. This film was underrated. In my humble opinion.
I enjoy learning about film history though your videos. Do you know if there is a channel like this one for fantasy films?
I wish I did! Sorry. 🤷🏼♂️
The spice is still flowing at my house !
You might take a look at a fan edit of '84 Dune on a YT site called The Devils Own, I've watched it several times and it improves on the original by including extended scenes and giving the film a smoother, more profound look. Spicediver did the heavy lifting, and I hope you will be pleasantly surprised.
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I’ll look into it! Thx!
Why don't you post a URL to fold cyberspace on over there, directly.
12:49..." epic movie shots " That scene was the best part of Dune (1984).
Toto for the win!!
David Lynch had better never get near me. What Gene Siskel like arrogance thinking he could do Dune justice without ever having read the book. And he just couldn't leave out the gross out scenes, could he? No wonder Frank Herbert died young. Shame on David Lynch. I'll never watch another of his movies. As for the much ballyhooed Villeneuve movie, it was almost just as bad. Everyone was clapping at the end. Why? Am I the only one who read the book? I will not see the sequel.
This movie is still my sht!! I saw it when it came out , hard to watch when you are 13 . When I turned 19 I started watching it once a week. In 2010 I found myself working the gate in Afghanistan so this was a natural choice for cinema therapy. Nothing better for sitting in the guard tower than imagining a giant worm tearing up the long range . I always wondered about those still suits , gauruntee you going to sweat your balls off.
I have always really enjoyed this one. The new one is pretty awesome so far, but I will always have a place for this. Also, though the new movie's score is good, I just don't find it quite as iconic or impressive as this one. This score is likely a big part of why I am such a big fan, along with the quality and skill of the cast. The new cast is good... but I feel much of Hollywood has lost the versatility and presence the actors of yesteryear exhibited. When you couldn't be sure of your effects, you leaned on the skill of the actor to sell it. Now, they rely on effects, and many (not all) actors have gotten a bit lazy... just my opinion.
Thank you.
i rmbr at the door to the auditiorium being being handed a 1-pg glossery of terms i'd need to know for the movie to make sense about 10 seconds before the lights went down - it wouldn't have helped
It piqued my interest enough to read to book so I call it a win
When will they come out with other dune series?? Messiah of dune, the children of dune and etc.... maybe they will eith Robert Pattinson
I prefer Lynch's version.
Love the books love the movie excited for the remake.
I do believe that dune is a good movie and more faithful to the spirit of the book than any other adaptation so far. But it's definitely flawed and would be, I think, flawed even if David Lynch had actually completed it. But I can gloss over the silly "sound weapons" and the concept of space folding is cool. Better than the horrendous actors and deplorable visuals of the TV mini-series. And better than castrating the Fremen by making their planetary leader Lyet-Kynes into a woman just for brownie SJW points (no, I have zero hopes for the upcoming Villeneuve Dune. Like almost everything these days, it will be woke garbage).
I love this film.
Great film. See it on a big screen
Quality videos, Never seen this movie but love David Lynch but I remember playing the game on PS2 finding the universe fascinating.
Isn't there a little girl in it that is actually hundreds of years old? giant sand worms and other grotesque monsters like Alien meets Star Wars but stranger.
What is the point of judging films based upon their MONETARY output on day one release?
HELLO?
POP Music is GARBAGE. AAA Games like Avengers, Madden, & COD are GARBAGE! Yes.. they make money. But their longevity is NIL.
DUNE is still the world's most articulate grand masterpiece to date. It still ignites the imagination of millions. It shall never be dethroned.
In 1963, work begun to create the world's first ever 100% electronically created piece of music for a new cheap & laughable show named "Dr Who". Delia Derbyshire & Dick Mills had been sacrificed like David Lynch to create the impossible. Delia died a nobody, gained no royalties, & wasn't ever given credit for her masterpiece. But it still sounds futuristic today.
I refuse to review this title in a way that only appeases philistines & critics behind a desk. It's one of the most remarkable projects humanity has ever achieved.
*_"Look beyond money & wealth, & the riches stretch out as far as the imagination can propel."_*
i liked a lot of aspects of your video. The summary, background to the project etc but you talk too much about the background and technical aspects and not much about the film itself. I appreciate that a film like Dune does have a huge amount of unpacking because of its history and struggle to get made...but please revew the Film as well. What did you like about the film? Any insights for us? for example. If you could add more bits to your review about the content which you are reviewing your reviews would be great.
i prefer the remake, but this one is not terrible.
But what happened to the pug?
Legends say he is still on Arrakis, that somewhere in the sand storms, the worms flee from his mighty bark and the Sardaukar tremble in fear at the thought of facing him in battle again.
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Watching this feels makes me feel grubby and sweaty. I admire it’s arty look and a few actors but it’s too hard to watch. Never liked the leading man.
"Dune is a mess. But it's a beautiful mess."
Dune was a great series of books. TV films and movies are no where near their greatness. At the time I had a screenplay involving a male stripper who goes on to become a trans woman on a quest for revenge against the America CIA agent who destroyed the stripper's male life. Kyle was our first choice to play Travis (the stripper) but he took Dune instead. To this day Eagle in Exile remains unmade because I have yet to see another actor who could play the role. Kyle was good in this film, but sadly he was poorly directed and some of his best work remains other films.
I absolutely love Dune!
Great work T U G. I learn something on every review 💯
Lynch maybe failed to make a good DUNE movie, but he made a great Science Fiction movie. one of the greatest. its sad that even he cant see that...
Remake's gonna be SO much better!
I’m not going to argue with you there! Even the trailer is already a better adaptation.
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Absolutely! I can’t believe it wasn’t already on my list. It’s there now. One of my all time favorites as a kid.
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That’d be fun!
this is not a review of this film but a story of film adaptations of rite novel. misleading
That was a review?!- not exactly what we expect as millenial types wearing tight clothes, faux-hawk/high fade, people with well groomed beards who speak with lisps, and wear "nerd glasses" even tho they are'nt needed- 👍
I watched this movie all the time on TV as a child. I thought it was so it was so sophisticated. Then I grew up and realized it actually doesn't make much sense
Hey I ad similar experience when Dune came on tv when I was a child, I was mesmerised by a lot of the impressive character designs, costumes, that strange creature living inside the huge mobile fish tank and of course, Sting ... I thought its one of the most epic movies I've ever seen but then I was only a child who would later grow up to see the many flaws in the movie ... its strange how we see things as a child compared to adulthood, the movie looked visually very atmospheric as a child but now looking at it, it had very flat uninteresting lightings which is in my opinion the biggest flaw of the whole movie ... but I would still say most of the art direction is really great and wonderful, maybe a few awkward choices (the inclusion of WWII army general costumes for the emperor frankly looks very out of place and silly among all the great strange looking people around him) ... I'm disappointed when I got to see it again as an adult, a lot of the great art directions were sadly wasted by flat lightings and unimaginative camera works ...
Too many weird and incomprehensible diversions from the novel for my taste. WTF was up with the weirding modules and turning the Harkonnens into utterly gross and disgusting characitures?
That being said, I agree that the production design was pretty iconic.
to my mind the Sci Fi miniseries is the best version. there are elements of Lynch's version I like but some I dont care for. I really don't like some scenes with the baron.
Too much story for one film; make it two, these would be considered classics.
Agreed. Trying to fit Dune into just one regular length movie is insanity.
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I wish this video was more heavy on the "review" aspect and less on documenting the background of it's production.
That being said, I think 1984's DUNE is an absolute trash heap of a movie; it's horrendous on all fronts and torture to watch. It's no wonder this movie scared me as a kid.