It doesn't It does break when you're using Hyperion guns after running... seems like the value reaches a point where the increase in accuracy becomes negative... it's kinda weird. But this happens both on consoles and PC.
DeputyChuck I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about her action skill auto aiming at nothing without the ability to change targets. it might just happen with kraggons but sense the first area is full of kraggons I might just of never noticed. Like I said it was unplayable. I stopped playing at like level 6
I mained Nisha on console to level 70 and through multiple playthroughs, and have never experienced what you are describing. Maybe an early bug that was fixed in one of the first patches ?
I got 999 stacks of rising shot and the b with a fucking Maggie with like all the fucking damage and I still didn't want shot him because his shield is more immortal than my patience
I find your arguments enjoyable because you’re super respectful about your perspective and opinions, it’s hard to find that in people, never change... :)
I kinda think of her the other way around: Nisha is a Noob Tube Instead of seeing her as a Jakobs character that takes away the skill part of Jakobs, it makes more sense to think of her (from a design perspective) as the "easy" character. Like you mentioned at the start, you should try to work around the characteristics of your character. Nisha being easy to play, it makes sense to want to use the guns that are more powerful but balanced by being harder to use, like Jakobs. THAT is using a character's strengths. All the skills you mentioned are designed to make the experience easier: She will aim for you, ADS for you and crit for you. As a player with lukewarm skills, I really enjoy feeling like a badass, doing things I could never pull off on my own. If you think of her whole skillset, she has skills that offset the weaknesses of all brands (except Vladof...shame) : her reload skill is based on the number of kills you had sine your last reload...perfect for slow-reloading big-mag Scav. Her action skill increases bullet speed, perfect for torgue (wish she had more of that actually) Her action skill switches target mid-burst for Dahl weapons if the first one dies, mitigating the wasted ammo... ...In short, her whole thing is making it easier to play...which is all the more apparent with Jakobs, since being hard to use is what defines Jakobs. Personally, I wish she had a few less skills geared towards Jakobs, and a few more to help her last longer In summary: To me she is a great Jakobs character to, in the sense that she makes Jakobs ACCESSIBLE to people of every level of skills. I can't play Jakobs: I suck at aiming in FPS. But with Nisha I can enjoy the feeling and aesthetics without dying all the time. Finally, the pleasure of using those big hand cannons isn't reserved to the elite ;)
Lol well said and while for some it makes her more fun and others like me makes her less fun, and that in itself is great. Different characters for different people. Neither is right or wrong, just different tastes.
Let's just say that if you are looking to Nisha for a true Jakobs experience, you WILL be disapointed. Haha! She is a great "user of Jakobs gun", but she uses them in a totally different way, which I totally get would not be to a Jakobs fan's taste at all. I would liken that to how a sniper-afficionado would feel seeing me playing the Lyuda full-auto point-blank with Sal :P Not how it was supposed to be used, but pretty fun!
I guess almost everything will work when you dont have to aim, but yeah I remember how mobbing areas got rekt when I used Torrent or Rosie (especially before the nerf).
I like Nisha, but she's not really emblematic of Jacobs as a brand. Zero is the true Jacobs character. Nisha is just a sprayer who needs/can use Jacobs to make up for how fast she fucking runs out of ammo. She gets more/better use out of guns like the tazer or vibra-pulse in many cases. She does do pretty well with jacobs shotguns, but again, she runs out of ammo really fast even with a coach gun.
Wilhelm is probably my favorite character in TPS in terms of design. Like so many BL2 characters, he's not really gun-specific. You can build him for whatever guns you want.
As for fixing Nisha, she would only need 2 things to change her dramatically: 1: fix her ammo issues by making showdown refill her guns with free bullets. 2: Tombstone needs to work only for things that can already crit, and it should NEVER be on a class mod...ever!
actually zer0 is jacobs character :D nisha is just gagie on steroids also vladof or hyperion are not at all body shot friendly guns. if you are not criting with vladof you are doing it wrong, actually if you are not citing with any gun but torgue (some) and tediore (some)
I said Nisha was boring in the forum and they tore me apart. I agree with your view points. Nisha's action skill is terrible and lazy. Tombstone should not have a classmod boosting it. And they even put Trickshot on the same classmod.
@@aamir6892 maybe for you.... but there's more to borderlands than just enemies of the screen. The story and dialog is amazing so as I'm leaving puddles of blood I enjoy everything.
I completely understand why you dont like Nisha. The reason why shes my favorite character out of the series is because she is a very specific type of character that I enjoy, personality wise. Bad/evil/mean female characters are always some lf my favorites in shows and games. For me something as simple as that can make me love a character. But i completely understand were everyone comes from when they say they dont like Nisha.
This is why I love the doppelganger in TPS it's because he's not only good with Hyperion weapons it's because he can be good with ANY weapon which makes him one of the most versatile characters in the game. Nisha is just meh because she's already overpowered which makes her extremely easy to use. When I play I want a challenge so when I play Nisha I'm like .......... ok this is pretty easy
As someone who doesn't farm for perfect gear, or any gear at all because console, I still get my ass handed to me playing Nisha and I haven't reached UVHM yet. Hell on normal mode the final boss on claptrap DLC gave me such a hard time I had to cheese him.
I feel like brand loyalty in this series is heavily influenced by that one gun, usually first legendary, that really clicks with you. Like, I've always been a Company Man (haha) since I got a Conference Call from first time beating the Warrior. I can totally see how I would've been a Jakobs guy if I had gotten a Maggie early on.
I can actually point to this rather effectively as well. I’m a Dahl man and I can similarly trace it back to my first legendary (the Emperor SMG inBL2) That high power and accuracy made them feel just so damn good, and considering 2 of their 4 legendary weapons in BL2 have multi projectile (Veruk and Pitchfork) that just makes them all the better. My cousin’s first legendary was a Torgue Kerblaster and he just fell in love with it (his first fully maxed ammo capacity was assault rifles) we both still use these brands as our mains to this day
Nisha is this game's Salvador. Unashamedly overpowered, because overpowered badassery is what a lot of people like about Borderlands. Characters in a singleplayer game don't need to be balanced, they just need to be unique. The characters in borderlands games are more about offering the widest possible range of baddest playstyles, rather than worrying about balance.
SO, you don't like her for 2 very fucking amazing skills? That'd be like me saying "Aurella sucks, I can make her freeze stuff without having a cryo element!"
Not just amazing, they break the entire game. Aurelia actually requires skill, and is imo the best designed sniper except for the Aristocracy tree, and even that ties in with her personality pretty well so Im fine with it.
I have to admit, while I don't think she's my favorite class in tps, she brings a different kind of fun to the game for me. I can totally agree with why you don't like her very much. In my case it's not only the heavy ammo consumption if you're not careful. While Showdown has its uses, it's the most boring action skill in this game.
I agree. I like how overpowered Nisha makes Jakobs guns, but in a different way making Jakobs overpowered takes the fun from having a challenge away. I found the reason I took breaks from Borderlands most of the time is from using a build which is too strong. It completely sucks the fun out of the game for me, hence my favourite build being zero with a skullsmasher. It's not broken but it's still strong, just requires a lot of skill to play.
Sorry to say Derch, but auto aim and cowboys go hand in hand these days. I mean play the last 6 or 7 cowboy games and they all have some sort of of auto aim or slowdown to help aim. Latest example Mcree. Also, why does everyone shits on Gaige for anarchy? Because if you are shooting with high stacks from far away you are an idiot. Anarchy basically turns your guns into melee weapons. I don't hear people say krieg sucks because you don't have to aim your buzzaxe swings
For me personally, as I'm a lover of jumping around (And that's maybe the reason I liked tps so much), Nisha provides just more opportunities in that regard, because you can jump as much as you want, while managing having all the enemies in the shot (which may be tricky since the color effect exists, and you're jumping around). And me being a Jakobs fan kinda makes sense, because the other manufacturers and other gun types just lock you in the position. No, you can't move, you're firing for two more minutes! - But I want to go! - You don't have a reason to! - I don't care, I want a cool parallax effect on my screen! Jakobs provides the control of how much I do fire, and it makes me spend most of the time jumping around while reloading. And that's how I don't get how people like Hyperion for the accuracy. I mean, if you're willing to waste ammo every time you move to a new location, and stay at that location for longer than 5 seconds, and you are not willing to aim (why would you need accuracy then), then okay, but I'm okay sniping with Jakobs revolvers, they are pretty accurate for long ranges.. And also Nisha's whip is awesome even considering it's wonkiness, makes me jump around even more because of the range of that thing
I found Nisha fun. I mean yes her is mildly lazy but I still loved her as a pistol user. It was a fun play and was one of the only characters I could actually get behind.
Showdown is meant to mimic the Sepia Time mechanic in Red Dead Redemption, while staying in the 1-to-1 timescale of a multiplayer game. It is an implementation that will resonate with players because it has existed in the medium before.
One thing I would like to see from Jakobs is either lever action or bolt action sniper rifles be the staple of that archetype. It would make their snipers feel more unique.
I dont think so, showdown has its fair share of weakness generally you have establish a good distance and angle between you and enemies to make the best of it. Some say Nisha is for beginners, not really, because she is built as a glass cannon with little options for self healing as an offset for her strengths; you have to kill fast before they can kill you faster.
Also a Jakobs fan and it plays a lot on my grievances with Krieg even though he's still my favourite character to play. I tend to get my Jakobs fix on Axton instead, though I've only really played him with the UCP. Between Duty Calls being basically "sponsored by Jakobs" and how much recoil reduction he has, I think he might be a more "Jakobs character" than even Nisha. Only other thing that comes to mind is Mordecai, mostly because Trespass was so powerful
Not gonna lie, I don’t love any of the Pre-Sequel characters. I’ve played them all for most of the game, finishing it with a couple of them. There is something thats just off about the Pre-Sequel. I love the idea of the game. “The Rise of Handsome Jack”. Its a great idea to make a game around one of the best antagonists in VG history. I like some of the new and different mechanics introduced. It just feels like there is something missing from the Pre-Sequel. Dare I say, the fun factor isn’t there in the same way as Borderlands and Borderlands 2? Thats what it feels like to me anyhow.
before i stopped playing i was working on a jakobs allegiance build for nisha and watching this video shows me that it would just really not be a playstyle for you, even if you tried it. sure its challenging but it really leans into those problems you have with nisha and how you see jakobs. i don't really play with trick shot so i feel it removes a little bit of the "you can aim wherever and kill things"
totally agree, as a zero and Jakobs lover, first thing that threw me off of tps was no sharpshooter class that would go well with jakobs guns outside of that autoaim caracter
Dahl is also a good brand for "The Neesh" if you prefer to aim during Showdown. Dual Dahl pistols would be nothing special, but SMGs, assault rifles, and sniper rifles would work great during ADS-style Showdown (sniper rifles reserved for bosses and badasses). Call me a heretic, but I prefer the Dahl Double Tap over the Jakobs Gatling Gun. Also, the Double Tap is more efficient than the Minigun. Also to0, I prefer the Synergy over the Infinity/Anarchist. Oh, and Showdown also cancels out the "proton pack/firehose" recoil of Maliwan beam lasers. Hyperion beam lasers with Maliwan barrels are my faves because the reverse recoil negates that hose-like recoil. Either of those beam lasers work the same during Showdown. 9:07 Riflewoman + shoot from the hip = irony
What a stupid argument. Some guy shouldn't talk about his own opinions on his own channel just because "no one forced _ to _"? Come on now. No one forced you to watch. Or to comment. Or to even play the game.
One kinda fun thing about showdown is that, because your aim is taken care of, you can really take advantage of the greater aerial manoeuvrability of the pre-sequel and bounce around the place, ducking and weaving enemy attacks. The problem is you don't have to in order to stay alive - the combination of law and order, bottled courage and the amount of damage she puts out actually makes her kinda tanky. So I wonder whether she'd be more rewarding to play if she was more genuinely a glass canon, like Zer0 say, with very few survival skills. The law and order tree could be refocused around a proper melee build, with maybe some movement speed skills. Alternately, what if Showdown had a massive Krieg style cooldown, which could be quickened by taking health damage, which would kinda fit the sado/masochistic theme of the character. I like playing Nisha and I've enjoyed trying to manage the chaos of showdown, picking targets and identifying threats with bullets flying everywhere in sepia - but 9/10 I'd do just as well to just hold down the triggers. If she was a little more fragile, or if Showdown made her vulnerable in some way (some kind of self-slag? lowers shields? puts a dot on you I dunno?) I think she'd be a lot more interesting to play. All that DPS should come with some kind of catch, right?
Nisha was my first and highest-level TPS character. She's no longer my favourite (since aurelia), but I do like her. I played her as a Jakobs user, and I enjoyed the experience. It seems to me that Gearbox intended for your fps skill to be rewarded during standard non-showdown combat, where you could flex your aim to make the most of her dps-boosting talents. Showdown seems to exist as a counterpoint to this, breaking up the pacing of the gameplay: when shit goes down and you need to pump out damage as fast as possible, you can hit your action skill and let your trigger finger off the leash. In this way, the player can alternate between prolonged periods of highly controlled precise sharpshooting, and intense bursts of hammer-fanning. If she didn't have the auto-aim during showdown, then that moment-to-moment variety in the experience wouldn't exist, and the combat loop would be less fulfilling overall. It functions in almost the same way as the glory kills in Doom - granting brief respite to the player with a second or two of safety in the middle of combat.
Nisha is sick, but it was crazy when I got a Luck Cannon drop from EOS, not even good parts or whatever. Then proceeded to solo the raid boss first try, at some low level too.
maybe if her skill involved her drinking down an alcohol or drug that intoxicated her, and she brought out her own unique shotgun and her whip and you got 10 seconds of lashing enemies with a customizable whip and blasting people with a high damaging blunderbuss, i think she would be more enjoyable to play with. while shes running around intoxicated shed have her own damage resistences like nigh-immunity to shock damage but with a major decrease in accuracy.... i dunno. itd be neato
All of Nisha's skills are very gunslinger, but they're handled so broadly in their application that collectively they become less-gunslinger. Remove the auto-aim from showdown, and make Trick-shot have a limited target angle or area and that would at least require her to aim roughly at enemies. As Broken as Tombstone is, I don't think it's the specific problem with ruining her gunslinger feel.
you realize the auto-aim can still miss moving targets right, as well trick shot does have a limit angle/area to be effective you will rarely shot someone with trickshot that you aren't already aiming at generally, but hey that's a thing they have had for two games straight and thought it would be cool to use that instead of close enough for cover counters
Showdown can still miss on targets constantly moving around, showdown have a hard time hitting humanoids hovering around in the air wether you hipfire or aim at sights
The only reason why I don't like this video is because the like to dislike ratio is hilarious to me. Good video with insightful criticism and you do it respectfully. Can't wait for BL3
And this is basically the same as why I hate, HATE hyperion shottys on Athena. Literally gamebreaking, it breaks what her character is about, it breaks what the hyperion shottys are about. No skill required, and it *really* takes the fun away. And people wonder why I use Thunderfire + Hellfire on Athena...
ItsmeJamesAJ with the elemental build Athena’s character is all about low ammo consumption, insane firerate and high elemental damage. And Hyperion shotguns aren’t broken by her, they synergise with her really well. They have great firerate to begin with, so there is nothing broken about cranking it up even higher, they have moderate amount of pellets and can come in any element, which helps with maelstorm stacking. And they have quite low ammo pool, so you still have to manage it and work for maintaining maelstorm stacks. And you mostly have to aim at the crit spots as you cannot use the Developments all the time and the Flash Freeze is not a panacea. Btw, you probably use the Thunderfire and Hellfire because you don’t try to go for a real challenge in TPS, just my guess.
The only character I've played in TPS is Aurelia, and I've never imagined that there could be a character less appealing to me than Gaige, but auto-aim, random crits AND Gaige style target seeking ricochet? That sounds awful.
Jacobs was my old love, and man, their Revolvers are thew best and I totally feel you on this. But now I've switched to Hyperion and Dahl Wilhelm is so good with a Hype Shotgun and his attack speed buff, damn man.
I have a lot of (very, very mixed) feelings about Nisha, but I think you can sum it up like this: with most Borderlands characters, the fun comes from deciding which skills you want to use and how that crosses over into your gear. On Nisha, you kind of have to make her "fun" by deciding what to withhold, which can be enjoyable but isn't really a sign of good design.
Yep nisha feels like she was designed for peaple who don't play fps games. It reminds me of how gaige was described as the best friends skill tree was designed so a newbie could play and not hold back the team while anarchy skill tree was to give her depth for experienced players. Nisha is the best friend tree taken to the extreme.
They should've just added more skills into the Fan the Hammer skilltree that reward "true critical hits", so no Trickshot/Tombstone shenanigans. Something like (at 5/5) + 30% gun damage & + 30% crit damage after a "true" critical kill as a kill skill. I'd call that skill "Bite the Dust" or something like that.
i think people tend to forget TPS is more of the pure fun instead of skill based Borderlands experience. also BL is a series about being over the top powerful after collecting the power creep of gear and skills in the trees of all characters. i never once heard of any one complaining that you are able to be viable in a single player title imo. just my two cents.
Would have been cool to see the action skill give an insane crit bonus and not have auto trigger or tombstone. Maybe some skill that has a multiplicative crit bonus instead.
what would have been cool is a slow motion skill like a bubble around her that makes everything move slow (but I don't know how it would have work with lag involved)
I never really gotten too in-depth with tps as I was never able to complete a playthrough of it, as the game just started crashing to desktop. But from what I eatch I feel the auto aim would turn me off. I'd rather send my time setting up the shot and finding the crit spot. If that requires me throwing the turret as a distraction, so be it. That process and the non spray and pray is why I like Jakobs and Dahl as I spend my time aiming down scope.
I may just say this. Buuut. Aurelia and Zer0 are way more interesting than gaige sal n nisha. Cause mostly. Gaige doesn't need to aim. Sal is walking glitch. Nisha is as derch said in the video. So yeah. Btw. Jakobs zer0 is great. And fun fact. Zer0 + fastball + deception = more damage from ambush
Hobo "With Gaige you don't have to aim" sort of. You have to manage anarchy stacks, deal with the fact that a solid 75% of your shots are going to miss, and avoid going down because your inaccurate shots can cost you. If that wasn't bad enough the Harold becomes almost useless at that point because you somehow manage to miss all of your shots at point blank. Gaige is way more fun than Sal or Nisha because of all the jumping, micromanaging, and jank that happens. (I'm a Gaige main and simplifying Gaige to "you don't have to aim" gets on my nerves because of how much actually goes into playing her. Also it's way more satisfying to miss a badass and accidentally kill a midget that you didn't even see than click really fast and hope something dies.
How so? He increase crit damage, which they love, really increases accuracy which further embraces crit damage, he increases mag size which is really helpful. That is embracing Jakobs, not slapping it in the face
So cuz Nisha does like the Jacobs so I have two Maggies and the Flayer in the 1 and 2 slots then the legendary Dahl and Fatale in the other 2. then put the ladyfist into the game, took on EOS and the raid version of the Sentinal and I sent more time waithing fo rthe phases to spawn in then actually fighting. My isuue is that her skills boosts fire rate to much and Jacobs do not need that. Second thought... have the unforgiven in TPS and NIsha could use that fire rate buffs and make the unforgiven good.
I just started playing pre sequel, I avoided this character completely, as I also love Jakobs guns after playing borderlands 2. I went with Athena instead.
I like playing as Nisha. Sure, it's stupid easy, but sometimes I want easy. Fun thing is, I don't use Jakobs with her, only the occasional Maggie and the ridiculous Flayer (seriously, that shotgun shouldn't exist, it's stupid). I use my favorite gun, the Absolute Zero, plays really well with her. Well, everything does, I just like that gun and I use it on all my characters except maybe for Claptrap.
Wow whining about Nisha getting a skill that gives all weapons a chance to act like a jakobs pistol with the prefix TRICKSHOT. You claim to be a jakobs fan but your pissed she has a skill that does the same thing as the pistols could do already how does that make sense?
thinking of her as "the jacobs character" is a bit misplaced. she wasn't made around the idea of jacobs specifically, she was designed around the fantasy of kicking down a saloon door whipping out two pistols and one tapping everyone, almost everyone knows the scene style i'm talking about, and around that idea she is very well made, sure maybe tombstone is a stupid skill, but i think it's more stupid that it lets grenades and stuff crit, like why? tombstone was (supposed) to focus towards the above fantasy more, watch those scenes in those old western movies, it's almost always a chest shot, and with jacobs be so focused around the crazy crit modifier they have they needed to make her actually deal damage when she's using jacobs pistols while in showdown (p.s. yes, i know she is a glass cannon so the phrase "make her actually deal damage" may sound weird but you know what i mean, jacobs are focused around crits, during showdown you dont crit if you're using it as intended(occasionally the enemy ducks))
same as the first half of the unforgiven, i dont think she should have it that doesn't fill the fantasy properly, i do like the second half though as a cool idea it's a nice movie shot, walk into a bar shot everyone once, walk out and boom
as for her being op and stuff, ehh whatever, there is no problem with a 99% pve game to have over powered characters, use them if you wanna, if not don't you want an easy ride or show off your skill? up to you
At some point I tried to make her not boring by using tediore chucking but it also was kinda OP so I stopped using her entirely. Also regarding Jakobs: You should try Deputy Krieg with the Flayer. Your Twister/FOTF-action looked cool but you've got to admit that Flayer/RR would be more western-ish
Hey Derch, just something that popped into my head while I was watching this video - I know you are not a Sal player, but since you are a big Jakobs guy, I would be interested in seeing you do a run of a few maps (or whatever you felt like doing) as Deputy Sal. Like you, I main Maya, and do not really like Sal all that much generally, but I freaking love Deputy Sal, and I would be interested to see how you do as him, whether you enjoy this very “Jakobs” playstyle, your spin on the best Deputy Sal build, your thoughts on whether you think the Deputy Sal build is a “glitch,” or whether you think it was intended by the developers, etc. Sometimes I wonder whether they actually had the Deputy Sal thing in mind when they built Sal. I generally think no, but waver on that point. Anyway, since you love Jakobs so much, I would be interested in your thoughts on Deputy Sal and learning exactly what you think about that playstyle and build. Most of all whether it is something you enjoy. Or whether it may be even a guilty pleasure for you. It admittedly is a guilty pleasure for me.
Nice video man. I understand where you're coming from with the Vladof spray and prey, its really easy to do. Its not how I use them. I like to use them almost like Dahl guns but i can control the burst number, also like Dahl in general though.
Tbh I dont think only on showdown would fix tombstone. IMO if it was a big crit dmg boost on kill instead that would incentivise to use it out of showdown as you can't really aim on showdown. As for shoot in ground and win.. yea no..
But youre recoil is actually better than other weapon since you can control the fire rate better than other guns and the best way to buff/Nerf neisha is have a final skill in a tree that gives her Auto aim and some sort of buff
Have you tried hip firing jakobs snipers with the riflewoman tree the fire rate fixes bolt action and fire rate caps of jakobs snipers the accuracy boosts help with poor sniper hip accuracy trickshot helps with fast enemies tombstone lets you crit quickly instead of lining up headshots. If you think about it the riflewoman tree is built for jakobs snipers the fan the hammer tree is built for the other jakobs weapons especially pistols
In my experience, jackobs was easily my 2nd worst manufacturer (1st being bandit)for me. The lack of elemental weapons (besides the 4 unique ones) turns me off. I also think that Most of their gun types are made better by other manufacturers, shotguns by Hyperion and tediore, Snipers by maliwan and Dahl, and Assault Rifles by every other manufacturers ( except bandit). I do like their pistols though, easily their best gun type.
I dislike these perks that make your shots ricochet,its a FPS game you need to know how to shoot well,if you dont,you will learn over time,the whole point of a FPS game is the experience of knowing how to shoot well and that good feel when you hit where you want. HITTING WHEN YOU MISS is very boring and takes away the fun of the game.
Then don't get the skill or jakobs pistols with the prefix of the same name. That has been a thing already since borderlands 2 initially released at the very latest. Though you still have to be reasonably close in your aiming with trickshot for anyone besides giege in 2, even with Nisha's skill of the same name trickshot doesn't mean you will hit someone you aren't looking at without really fucking great luck.
Akuma Imayaruk Its not REALLY a choice you can make,this thing is tied to the game. In the skilltree you either pick this or other perk,thats it,if you want to go down on that tree you are obligated to choose between these two perks,and if the other perk isnt that great you are "obligated" to put this. And about the weapons,we can only "choose" the guns we will use after a ton of grinding,in normal playthroght you are obligated to use your highest level/damage weapon,if it is a weapon with Trickshot you will use that until you get something better,wich in Borderlands,can take a while.
Ya nothing you said supports your claim that it really isn't a choice. Honestly trickshot pistols are some of the rarest drops for me, and as you said there is another skill you can take so you DON"T HAVE TO put any skills in trickshot if you don't like that skill to still use the tree. So now then you can get a different skill to avoid trickshot, and you are very unlikely to find a trickshot pistol that trumps the rest of your gear from a normal save file, and if you edit your file you don't need to worry about trickshot at all. With how these things that let you avoid using it how is complaining about the skill worth anything constructive?
Akuma Imayaruk *I will give an example to make things clear:* You need to choose between 2 skills- *Killing an enemy restore all your health and all your shots ricochet for a short period *+5%More magazine size You need to be VERY dumb to dont pick up the skill that restore your health,so its an illusion of a choice,you are being kinda of obligated to pick up the better one or else you would be hurting yourself.
Wow you really need to double check the skills because it's either get the ricochet effect, or a kill skill to get a chance for all shots to act as crits. but hey the only thing locked by either of those skills is the cap skill so again there is plenty of choice to fit it better to your playstyle, instead of just whinning over a skill you don't care for. Also double check skill trees when you give examples as you tried to make it look like a choice between the first tier killskill for that tree Bona Fide Grit, was what you had to choose instead of Trickshot, when it's either Snapshot or Bona Fide Grit for the first tier choice of that tree.
I agree with you on all parts exept the new action skill in my opinion it would be just boring and falt. I think that a better action skill would be that you can't shot for a few seconds but when you shot your bullet would gain a massive speed up, damage up, accuracy up and critical damage up but it can't ricochet and you need to aim it. It would keep the western feel and it would greatly synergyze with jakobs wepons
For the Nisha Skill and Gear Guide to see what I think about all her skills th-cam.com/video/_62THsFofhU/w-d-xo.html
Derchlands If I remember correctly the auto aim of her action skill breaks on console making her unplayable
I never knew that
It doesn't
It does break when you're using Hyperion guns after running... seems like the value reaches a point where the increase in accuracy becomes negative... it's kinda weird.
But this happens both on consoles and PC.
DeputyChuck I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about her action skill auto aiming at nothing without the ability to change targets. it might just happen with kraggons but sense the first area is full of kraggons I might just of never noticed. Like I said it was unplayable. I stopped playing at like level 6
I mained Nisha on console to level 70 and through multiple playthroughs, and have never experienced what you are describing.
Maybe an early bug that was fixed in one of the first patches ?
Derch: "I don't want people to think i'm perverted"
Immediately states that Jacobs guns make him hard.
Whats wrong with being sexually attracted to digital old west guns?
Derchlands Don't think that was the point.
Arcadia Bay I think he knows, lol.
zachboo yeah he knows
“If you’re Zer0, don’t use a bee, because you already have all the damage”
IT’S NOT ENOUGH! I MUST ONE SHOT MASTER GEE!
I got 999 stacks of rising shot and the b with a fucking Maggie with like all the fucking damage and I still didn't want shot him because his shield is more immortal than my patience
@@Yes_Indeed-w7t bee + maggie is bad
I find your arguments enjoyable because you’re super respectful about your perspective and opinions, it’s hard to find that in people, never change... :)
I kinda think of her the other way around: Nisha is a Noob Tube
Instead of seeing her as a Jakobs character that takes away the skill part of Jakobs, it makes more sense to think of her (from a design perspective) as the "easy" character.
Like you mentioned at the start, you should try to work around the characteristics of your character.
Nisha being easy to play, it makes sense to want to use the guns that are more powerful but balanced by being harder to use, like Jakobs. THAT is using a character's strengths.
All the skills you mentioned are designed to make the experience easier: She will aim for you, ADS for you and crit for you. As a player with lukewarm skills, I really enjoy feeling like a badass, doing things I could never pull off on my own.
If you think of her whole skillset, she has skills that offset the weaknesses of all brands (except Vladof...shame) : her reload skill is based on the number of kills you had sine your last reload...perfect for slow-reloading big-mag Scav. Her action skill increases bullet speed, perfect for torgue (wish she had more of that actually) Her action skill switches target mid-burst for Dahl weapons if the first one dies, mitigating the wasted ammo...
...In short, her whole thing is making it easier to play...which is all the more apparent with Jakobs, since being hard to use is what defines Jakobs.
Personally, I wish she had a few less skills geared towards Jakobs, and a few more to help her last longer
In summary:
To me she is a great Jakobs character to, in the sense that she makes Jakobs ACCESSIBLE to people of every level of skills.
I can't play Jakobs: I suck at aiming in FPS. But with Nisha I can enjoy the feeling and aesthetics without dying all the time.
Finally, the pleasure of using those big hand cannons isn't reserved to the elite ;)
Lol well said and while for some it makes her more fun and others like me makes her less fun, and that in itself is great. Different characters for different people. Neither is right or wrong, just different tastes.
Let's just say that if you are looking to Nisha for a true Jakobs experience, you WILL be disapointed. Haha!
She is a great "user of Jakobs gun", but she uses them in a totally different way, which I totally get would not be to a Jakobs fan's taste at all.
I would liken that to how a sniper-afficionado would feel seeing me playing the Lyuda full-auto point-blank with Sal :P
Not how it was supposed to be used, but pretty fun!
Totally, great point
It doesn't tie-in to what I have mentioned, but it is still my favorite Nisha skill...and by far her most underrated.
Derchlands you acknowledge the opposition and show respect, also not deleting comments, you got some respect from me
I invite it, makes me better to hear it.
Tbh aimbot action skill is an insult to any FPS player in the first place.
I guess almost everything will work when you dont have to aim, but yeah I remember how mobbing areas got rekt when I used Torrent or Rosie (especially before the nerf).
Does that mean console players dont need to aim? Besides favorizing one platform over another in multiplatfom title is somewhat insulting as well.
So true lol but I still love my Nisha
LANIUS Well, the fact is not all platforms are equal.
Would it suck for a 50 year old war veteran to have you in their sights?
I've never seen anyone get so emotional about an in game company.
I like Nisha, but she's not really emblematic of Jacobs as a brand. Zero is the true Jacobs character. Nisha is just a sprayer who needs/can use Jacobs to make up for how fast she fucking runs out of ammo. She gets more/better use out of guns like the tazer or vibra-pulse in many cases.
She does do pretty well with jacobs shotguns, but again, she runs out of ammo really fast even with a coach gun.
Nisha is supposed to be a gunslinger not a sharpshooter. I understand your points but her skills really make her a fun outlaw to play in my opinion.
And that's the great thing, we all have fun different ways, I'm fine with not liking her because I love Jack, Athena, and Aurelia
holding mouse 2 and watching the game play for you aint quite the definition i have from "fun" in video games
@@sucettebleu346 again different strokes for different folks lol
....and this is why i play as wilhelm
th3psych0 guy Enforcer 4 laifu. The best designed char, IMO. Only Athena gets close to him i that term. :)
Wilhelm is probably my favorite character in TPS in terms of design. Like so many BL2 characters, he's not really gun-specific. You can build him for whatever guns you want.
TheSamuraiGoomba yeah, and the best thing is that he doesn’t break the guns he uses, just makes them feel enjoyable and good.
Faily Failracer THANK YOU, i always liked wilhelm he felt like a commando that honors the good ol acid days of BL1
I play Wilhelm because flying turrets.
As for fixing Nisha, she would only need 2 things to change her dramatically:
1: fix her ammo issues by making showdown refill her guns with free bullets.
2: Tombstone needs to work only for things that can already crit, and it should NEVER be on a class mod...ever!
I just love Jacobs. They also trained me to always go for the crit spots. Not matter what im using. Definitely my favorite manufacture.
"Complelty ruins the feel of Jacob's gun" bruh it literally a duel at high noon a western classic its literally as western as you get
Huh. I know a Nathan Dietrich. Did you go to CHS last year?
actually zer0 is jacobs character :D nisha is just gagie on steroids
also vladof or hyperion are not at all body shot friendly guns. if you are not criting with vladof you are doing it wrong, actually if you are not citing with any gun but torgue (some) and tediore (some)
vladof arent purely crit weapos
the anarchist and stinger and infinity can all do good if not great damage on body shots
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Zero? A jacobs character? Lmfao
@@CaptainKope B0reNADO
I said Nisha was boring in the forum and they tore me apart.
I agree with your view points. Nisha's action skill is terrible and lazy. Tombstone should not have a classmod boosting it. And they even put Trickshot on the same classmod.
so she is OP, not boring.
@@outlawz38 same thing,no. If you beat everything instantly, no enjoyment in the game.
@@aamir6892 maybe for you.... but there's more to borderlands than just enemies of the screen. The story and dialog is amazing so as I'm leaving puddles of blood I enjoy everything.
@@outlawz38 sure. Whatever you like. I enjoy a challenge so I play as Aurelia
@@aamir6892 I play as her too. She's just as op.
I completely understand why you dont like Nisha. The reason why shes my favorite character out of the series is because she is a very specific type of character that I enjoy, personality wise. Bad/evil/mean female characters are always some lf my favorites in shows and games. For me something as simple as that can make me love a character. But i completely understand were everyone comes from when they say they dont like Nisha.
This is why I love the doppelganger in TPS it's because he's not only good with Hyperion weapons it's because he can be good with ANY weapon which makes him one of the most versatile characters in the game. Nisha is just meh because she's already overpowered which makes her extremely easy to use. When I play I want a challenge so when I play Nisha I'm like .......... ok this is pretty easy
Jack is op as hell dude 😂, Athena is also melt boss like butter when gear right
Phan Tran if everyone is overpowered nobody is overpowered
Majestic Banana I play Jack. He is OP. Insane damage and can't die if played well.
And when you need some help he becomes an army alone. Now everyone plays Jack and only Jack remains.
As someone who doesn't farm for perfect gear, or any gear at all because console, I still get my ass handed to me playing Nisha and I haven't reached UVHM yet. Hell on normal mode the final boss on claptrap DLC gave me such a hard time I had to cheese him.
I feel like brand loyalty in this series is heavily influenced by that one gun, usually first legendary, that really clicks with you.
Like, I've always been a Company Man (haha) since I got a Conference Call from first time beating the Warrior.
I can totally see how I would've been a Jakobs guy if I had gotten a Maggie early on.
I can actually point to this rather effectively as well. I’m a Dahl man and I can similarly trace it back to my first legendary (the Emperor SMG inBL2)
That high power and accuracy made them feel just so damn good, and considering 2 of their 4 legendary weapons in BL2 have multi projectile (Veruk and Pitchfork) that just makes them all the better. My cousin’s first legendary was a Torgue Kerblaster and he just fell in love with it (his first fully maxed ammo capacity was assault rifles) we both still use these brands as our mains to this day
Nisha is this game's Salvador. Unashamedly overpowered, because overpowered badassery is what a lot of people like about Borderlands. Characters in a singleplayer game don't need to be balanced, they just need to be unique. The characters in borderlands games are more about offering the widest possible range of baddest playstyles, rather than worrying about balance.
Jakobs is the most fun manufacturer in the game
When you figure out Jakob’s in 3 rechoches every shot
*****critical hit
SO, you don't like her for 2 very fucking amazing skills? That'd be like me saying "Aurella sucks, I can make her freeze stuff without having a cryo element!"
Not just amazing, they break the entire game. Aurelia actually requires skill, and is imo the best designed sniper except for the Aristocracy tree, and even that ties in with her personality pretty well so Im fine with it.
I personally use Athena and run around at 60mph with a Gladiatrix class mod and a Jakobs shotgun
Any class that plays for you is boring. That includes sal and nisha.
I have to admit, while I don't think she's my favorite class in tps, she brings a different kind of fun to the game for me. I can totally agree with why you don't like her very much. In my case it's not only the heavy ammo consumption if you're not careful. While Showdown has its uses, it's the most boring action skill in this game.
I agree. I like how overpowered Nisha makes Jakobs guns, but in a different way making Jakobs overpowered takes the fun from having a challenge away. I found the reason I took breaks from Borderlands most of the time is from using a build which is too strong. It completely sucks the fun out of the game for me, hence my favourite build being zero with a skullsmasher. It's not broken but it's still strong, just requires a lot of skill to play.
Sorry to say Derch, but auto aim and cowboys go hand in hand these days. I mean play the last 6 or 7 cowboy games and they all have some sort of of auto aim or slowdown to help aim. Latest example Mcree.
Also, why does everyone shits on Gaige for anarchy? Because if you are shooting with high stacks from far away you are an idiot. Anarchy basically turns your guns into melee weapons. I don't hear people say krieg sucks because you don't have to aim your buzzaxe swings
For me personally, as I'm a lover of jumping around (And that's maybe the reason I liked tps so much), Nisha provides just more opportunities in that regard, because you can jump as much as you want, while managing having all the enemies in the shot (which may be tricky since the color effect exists, and you're jumping around).
And me being a Jakobs fan kinda makes sense, because the other manufacturers and other gun types just lock you in the position. No, you can't move, you're firing for two more minutes! - But I want to go! - You don't have a reason to! - I don't care, I want a cool parallax effect on my screen!
Jakobs provides the control of how much I do fire, and it makes me spend most of the time jumping around while reloading.
And that's how I don't get how people like Hyperion for the accuracy. I mean, if you're willing to waste ammo every time you move to a new location, and stay at that location for longer than 5 seconds, and you are not willing to aim (why would you need accuracy then), then okay, but I'm okay sniping with Jakobs revolvers, they are pretty accurate for long ranges..
And also Nisha's whip is awesome even considering it's wonkiness, makes me jump around even more because of the range of that thing
I found Nisha fun. I mean yes her is mildly lazy but I still loved her as a pistol user. It was a fun play and was one of the only characters I could actually get behind.
I like Nisha only because she can duel wield revolvers
Ha! Good video, but I am still a Torgue guy old friend. Good to see you still posting. I guess I just love EXPLOOOOOOSIONS! Can’t wait for 3!!
Well you are an old soldier, so I get it. Nice to see you around as well
Showdown is meant to mimic the Sepia Time mechanic in Red Dead Redemption, while staying in the 1-to-1 timescale of a multiplayer game. It is an implementation that will resonate with players because it has existed in the medium before.
One thing I would like to see from Jakobs is either lever action or bolt action sniper rifles be the staple of that archetype. It would make their snipers feel more unique.
I dont think so, showdown has its fair share of weakness generally you have establish a good distance and angle between you and enemies to make the best of it. Some say Nisha is for beginners, not really, because she is built as a glass cannon with little options for self healing as an offset for her strengths; you have to kill fast before they can kill you faster.
What I would do with trickshot:
For every point invested, it can ricochet more times. For every ricochet damage is doubled.
I played Nisha part of the way through TPS, and I always wondered why it just didn't feel right. This really helped explain why.
Also a Jakobs fan and it plays a lot on my grievances with Krieg even though he's still my favourite character to play.
I tend to get my Jakobs fix on Axton instead, though I've only really played him with the UCP. Between Duty Calls being basically "sponsored by Jakobs" and how much recoil reduction he has, I think he might be a more "Jakobs character" than even Nisha. Only other thing that comes to mind is Mordecai, mostly because Trespass was so powerful
Idk why but I love the pistol holster animation especially with jakobs it makes me feel like Clint Eastwood lol
Not gonna lie, I don’t love any of the Pre-Sequel characters. I’ve played them all for most of the game, finishing it with a couple of them.
There is something thats just off about the Pre-Sequel. I love the idea of the game. “The Rise of Handsome Jack”. Its a great idea to make a game around one of the best antagonists in VG history. I like some of the new and different mechanics introduced. It just feels like there is something missing from the Pre-Sequel. Dare I say, the fun factor isn’t there in the same way as Borderlands and Borderlands 2? Thats what it feels like to me anyhow.
You can dislike the game, but the characters and skill tree designs are superb. Best in the series by far.
before i stopped playing i was working on a jakobs allegiance build for nisha and watching this video shows me that it would just really not be a playstyle for you, even if you tried it. sure its challenging but it really leans into those problems you have with nisha and how you see jakobs. i don't really play with trick shot so i feel it removes a little bit of the "you can aim wherever and kill things"
totally agree, as a zero and Jakobs lover, first thing that threw me off of tps was no sharpshooter class that would go well with jakobs guns outside of that autoaim caracter
Dahl is also a good brand for "The Neesh" if you prefer to aim during Showdown. Dual Dahl pistols would be nothing special, but SMGs, assault rifles, and sniper rifles would work great during ADS-style Showdown (sniper rifles reserved for bosses and badasses). Call me a heretic, but I prefer the Dahl Double Tap over the Jakobs Gatling Gun. Also, the Double Tap is more efficient than the Minigun. Also to0, I prefer the Synergy over the Infinity/Anarchist. Oh, and Showdown also cancels out the "proton pack/firehose" recoil of Maliwan beam lasers. Hyperion beam lasers with Maliwan barrels are my faves because the reverse recoil negates that hose-like recoil. Either of those beam lasers work the same during Showdown.
9:07 Riflewoman + shoot from the hip = irony
I get your point but... No one ever said you even had to play the character you madlad
What a stupid argument. Some guy shouldn't talk about his own opinions on his own channel just because "no one forced _ to _"? Come on now. No one forced you to watch. Or to comment. Or to even play the game.
One kinda fun thing about showdown is that, because your aim is taken care of, you can really take advantage of the greater aerial manoeuvrability of the pre-sequel and bounce around the place, ducking and weaving enemy attacks. The problem is you don't have to in order to stay alive - the combination of law and order, bottled courage and the amount of damage she puts out actually makes her kinda tanky. So I wonder whether she'd be more rewarding to play if she was more genuinely a glass canon, like Zer0 say, with very few survival skills. The law and order tree could be refocused around a proper melee build, with maybe some movement speed skills. Alternately, what if Showdown had a massive Krieg style cooldown, which could be quickened by taking health damage, which would kinda fit the sado/masochistic theme of the character. I like playing Nisha and I've enjoyed trying to manage the chaos of showdown, picking targets and identifying threats with bullets flying everywhere in sepia - but 9/10 I'd do just as well to just hold down the triggers. If she was a little more fragile, or if Showdown made her vulnerable in some way (some kind of self-slag? lowers shields? puts a dot on you I dunno?) I think she'd be a lot more interesting to play. All that DPS should come with some kind of catch, right?
wouldn't fix the Jakobs problem but you got me thinking! Maybe all I'm missing is some pre-sequel OP levels
I do agree it allows you to move more.
Nisha was my first and highest-level TPS character. She's no longer my favourite (since aurelia), but I do like her.
I played her as a Jakobs user, and I enjoyed the experience. It seems to me that Gearbox intended for your fps skill to be rewarded during standard non-showdown combat, where you could flex your aim to make the most of her dps-boosting talents.
Showdown seems to exist as a counterpoint to this, breaking up the pacing of the gameplay: when shit goes down and you need to pump out damage as fast as possible, you can hit your action skill and let your trigger finger off the leash.
In this way, the player can alternate between prolonged periods of highly controlled precise sharpshooting, and intense bursts of hammer-fanning. If she didn't have the auto-aim during showdown, then that moment-to-moment variety in the experience wouldn't exist, and the combat loop would be less fulfilling overall. It functions in almost the same way as the glory kills in Doom - granting brief respite to the player with a second or two of safety in the middle of combat.
I kinda feel like Nisha’s action skill should’ve been like how mccrees ultimate is in ow
Well, we have modability now. Someone make Derch's Nisha overhaul a thing!
Nisha is sick, but it was crazy when I got a Luck Cannon drop from EOS, not even good parts or whatever. Then proceeded to solo the raid boss first try, at some low level too.
I 'm currently having a blast with Nisha/Glitch/Explosive build all Jacobs equipment.....Its the only way to fly!!
maybe if her skill involved her drinking down an alcohol or drug that intoxicated her, and she brought out her own unique shotgun and her whip and you got 10 seconds of lashing enemies with a customizable whip and blasting people with a high damaging blunderbuss, i think she would be more enjoyable to play with.
while shes running around intoxicated shed have her own damage resistences like nigh-immunity to shock damage but with a major decrease in accuracy.... i dunno. itd be neato
All of Nisha's skills are very gunslinger, but they're handled so broadly in their application that collectively they become less-gunslinger. Remove the auto-aim from showdown, and make Trick-shot have a limited target angle or area and that would at least require her to aim roughly at enemies. As Broken as Tombstone is, I don't think it's the specific problem with ruining her gunslinger feel.
you realize the auto-aim can still miss moving targets right, as well trick shot does have a limit angle/area to be effective you will rarely shot someone with trickshot that you aren't already aiming at generally, but hey that's a thing they have had for two games straight and thought it would be cool to use that instead of close enough for cover counters
Showdown can still miss on targets constantly moving around, showdown have a hard time hitting humanoids hovering around in the air wether you hipfire or aim at sights
raymund usi. Exactly you can still miss with showdown its not a perfect skill
The only reason why I don't like this video is because the like to dislike ratio is hilarious to me. Good video with insightful criticism and you do it respectfully. Can't wait for BL3
And this is basically the same as why I hate, HATE hyperion shottys on Athena. Literally gamebreaking, it breaks what her character is about, it breaks what the hyperion shottys are about. No skill required, and it *really* takes the fun away. And people wonder why I use Thunderfire + Hellfire on Athena...
I'm using them only for bosses or ffyl
ItsmeJamesAJ with the elemental build Athena’s character is all about low ammo consumption, insane firerate and high elemental damage. And Hyperion shotguns aren’t broken by her, they synergise with her really well. They have great firerate to begin with, so there is nothing broken about cranking it up even higher, they have moderate amount of pellets and can come in any element, which helps with maelstorm stacking. And they have quite low ammo pool, so you still have to manage it and work for maintaining maelstorm stacks. And you mostly have to aim at the crit spots as you cannot use the Developments all the time and the Flash Freeze is not a panacea.
Btw, you probably use the Thunderfire and Hellfire because you don’t try to go for a real challenge in TPS, just my guess.
That’s kinda like complaining about using the Ajax Ogre and the Hammer on Blast Master Brick... :/
Clit Yeastwood it’s even a bit more and I stated why it is so in my commentary above. :)
ItsmeJamesAJ double and single barrels to be exact. Anything with less than 5 shots ruin the stacks.
Where as I see what ur saying and I am a jacobs fan. I like the auto aim
Her auto aim is no different soldiers ult from overwatch I like it
The only character I've played in TPS is Aurelia, and I've never imagined that there could be a character less appealing to me than Gaige, but auto-aim, random crits AND Gaige style target seeking ricochet? That sounds awful.
Jacobs was my old love, and man, their Revolvers are thew best and I totally feel you on this.
But now I've switched to Hyperion and Dahl
Wilhelm is so good with a Hype Shotgun and his attack speed buff, damn man.
i just love your videos you have the best points
obviously lol
I have a lot of (very, very mixed) feelings about Nisha, but I think you can sum it up like this: with most Borderlands characters, the fun comes from deciding which skills you want to use and how that crosses over into your gear. On Nisha, you kind of have to make her "fun" by deciding what to withhold, which can be enjoyable but isn't really a sign of good design.
Haven't really played presequel, but keep making vids derchy, I need you around for the next borderlands game
Yep nisha feels like she was designed for peaple who don't play fps games. It reminds me of how gaige was described as the best friends skill tree was designed so a newbie could play and not hold back the team while anarchy skill tree was to give her depth for experienced players. Nisha is the best friend tree taken to the extreme.
Anybody else notice the audio glitch at 7:25?
They should've just added more skills into the Fan the Hammer skilltree that reward "true critical hits", so no Trickshot/Tombstone shenanigans. Something like (at 5/5) + 30% gun damage & + 30% crit damage after a "true" critical kill as a kill skill. I'd call that skill "Bite the Dust" or something like that.
What if the auto-aim was a capstone in a tree more devoted to not needing to aim. Like a TPS version of an anarchy tree.
i think people tend to forget TPS is more of the pure fun instead of skill based Borderlands experience. also BL is a series about being over the top powerful after collecting the power creep of gear and skills in the trees of all characters. i never once heard of any one complaining that you are able to be viable in a single player title imo. just my two cents.
Would have been cool to see the action skill give an insane crit bonus and not have auto trigger or tombstone. Maybe some skill that has a multiplicative crit bonus instead.
what would have been cool is a slow motion skill like a bubble around her that makes everything move slow (but I don't know how it would have work with lag involved)
Yeah I don't know how that would work with co-op
I never really gotten too in-depth with tps as I was never able to complete a playthrough of it, as the game just started crashing to desktop. But from what I eatch I feel the auto aim would turn me off. I'd rather send my time setting up the shot and finding the crit spot. If that requires me throwing the turret as a distraction, so be it.
That process and the non spray and pray is why I like Jakobs and Dahl as I spend my time aiming down scope.
I may just say this. Buuut. Aurelia and Zer0 are way more interesting than gaige sal n nisha. Cause mostly. Gaige doesn't need to aim. Sal is walking glitch. Nisha is as derch said in the video. So yeah. Btw. Jakobs zer0 is great. And fun fact. Zer0 + fastball + deception = more damage from ambush
zer0, bekah, killer comm, and who cares about spamming the trigger 'cause it's fun
Hobo don't forget the 320% bonus damage buff from kunai.
SHDW-TP No Dancing I mean. If you ain't melee zer0. You won't have near infinity kunais.
Vittorio Sergi You are a really smart person. Yknow that?
Hobo "With Gaige you don't have to aim" sort of. You have to manage anarchy stacks, deal with the fact that a solid 75% of your shots are going to miss, and avoid going down because your inaccurate shots can cost you. If that wasn't bad enough the Harold becomes almost useless at that point because you somehow manage to miss all of your shots at point blank. Gaige is way more fun than Sal or Nisha because of all the jumping, micromanaging, and jank that happens. (I'm a Gaige main and simplifying Gaige to "you don't have to aim" gets on my nerves because of how much actually goes into playing her. Also it's way more satisfying to miss a badass and accidentally kill a midget that you didn't even see than click really fast and hope something dies.
Wilhelm is much more fun with Jakobs.
Aurelia embraces them quite well
As does jack of course
Derchlands Timothy also slaps Jakobs playstyle in the face (maybe even harder, than Nisha) if you really min-max him.
How so? He increase crit damage, which they love, really increases accuracy which further embraces crit damage, he increases mag size which is really helpful. That is embracing Jakobs, not slapping it in the face
Derchlands he allows for just spamming them because of AA, ofc (which is the way to go for E&E, or l33t h4x0rz, for example), he has some insane flat damage buffs like Collaborate, Integrity, Synergy and Believe, which Timothy can reach and keep with even more ease than Sal because of Leadership and Best Foot Forward. All of that really makes trying to hit a lot of crits senseless if you want to use him to his fullest potential. And that’s not metioning Marginal benefits skill which completely breaks the glitch Jakobs shottys. Plus he has a bunch of firerate buffs that ‘aren’t really a go-to with Jakobs’ ©.
Using her with the continuous beam lasers is hilariously ridiculous if they have the "build continuous damage" perk.....
My only real issue with Nisha is keeping up with pistol ammo. She absolutely eats through it at a prodigious rate.
not with the luck cannon, but that just breaks her beyond redemption.
Really painful is how I would describe the whole game of borderlands the prequel sequel.
So cuz Nisha does like the Jacobs so I have two Maggies and the Flayer in the 1 and 2 slots then the legendary Dahl and Fatale in the other 2. then put the ladyfist into the game, took on EOS and the raid version of the Sentinal and I sent more time waithing fo rthe phases to spawn in then actually fighting. My isuue is that her skills boosts fire rate to much and Jacobs do not need that. Second thought... have the unforgiven in TPS and NIsha could use that fire rate buffs and make the unforgiven good.
What if Nisha's Showdown has Zero's Bore Vision instead and adds critical spots with varying critical damage?
Then everyone would be angry saying she's just zero.
I just started playing pre sequel, I avoided this character completely, as I also love Jakobs guns after playing borderlands 2. I went with Athena instead.
Excellent video as always. 👍
I like playing as Nisha. Sure, it's stupid easy, but sometimes I want easy. Fun thing is, I don't use Jakobs with her, only the occasional Maggie and the ridiculous Flayer (seriously, that shotgun shouldn't exist, it's stupid). I use my favorite gun, the Absolute Zero, plays really well with her. Well, everything does, I just like that gun and I use it on all my characters except maybe for Claptrap.
Wow whining about Nisha getting a skill that gives all weapons a chance to act like a jakobs pistol with the prefix TRICKSHOT. You claim to be a jakobs fan but your pissed she has a skill that does the same thing as the pistols could do already how does that make sense?
I certainly enjoy the jakobs build i have of her i just really wish there was more that directly benefits jakobs.
I don't know why but it's hard for me to continue the Pre-Sequel. I just completed OP8 Axton and now I'm farming all the side quest.
thinking of her as "the jacobs character" is a bit misplaced.
she wasn't made around the idea of jacobs specifically, she was designed around the fantasy of kicking down a saloon door whipping out two pistols and one tapping everyone, almost everyone knows the scene style i'm talking about, and around that idea she is very well made,
sure maybe tombstone is a stupid skill, but i think it's more stupid that it lets grenades and stuff crit, like why?
tombstone was (supposed) to focus towards the above fantasy more, watch those scenes in those old western movies, it's almost always a chest shot, and with jacobs be so focused around the crazy crit modifier they have they needed to make her actually deal damage when she's using jacobs pistols while in showdown (p.s. yes, i know she is a glass cannon so the phrase "make her actually deal damage" may sound weird but you know what i mean, jacobs are focused around crits, during showdown you dont crit if you're using it as intended(occasionally the enemy ducks))
trick shot however.... i like as an idea, but also nah, i dont think she should have it
same as the first half of the unforgiven, i dont think she should have it that doesn't fill the fantasy properly, i do like the second half though as a cool idea it's a nice movie shot, walk into a bar shot everyone once, walk out and boom
as for her being op and stuff, ehh whatever, there is no problem with a 99% pve game to have over powered characters, use them if you wanna, if not don't
you want an easy ride or show off your skill? up to you
You can only ignite enemies in half of the play area. So I don't think fire elemental is good in tps, and hot head is a situational skill in that way.
At some point I tried to make her not boring by using tediore chucking but it also was kinda OP so I stopped using her entirely.
Also regarding Jakobs: You should try Deputy Krieg with the Flayer. Your Twister/FOTF-action looked cool but you've got to admit that Flayer/RR would be more western-ish
I love jacobs so much i use the unforgiven unironically because i love slow but hard weapons same as the rex
N0 0n3 sex joke in there somewhere
And thats why Deputy Aurelia is dope!
Gad damn right she is
Hey Derch, just something that popped into my head while I was watching this video - I know you are not a Sal player, but since you are a big Jakobs guy, I would be interested in seeing you do a run of a few maps (or whatever you felt like doing) as Deputy Sal. Like you, I main Maya, and do not really like Sal all that much generally, but I freaking love Deputy Sal, and I would be interested to see how you do as him, whether you enjoy this very “Jakobs” playstyle, your spin on the best Deputy Sal build, your thoughts on whether you think the Deputy Sal build is a “glitch,” or whether you think it was intended by the developers, etc. Sometimes I wonder whether they actually had the Deputy Sal thing in mind when they built Sal. I generally think no, but waver on that point. Anyway, since you love Jakobs so much, I would be interested in your thoughts on Deputy Sal and learning exactly what you think about that playstyle and build. Most of all whether it is something you enjoy. Or whether it may be even a guilty pleasure for you. It admittedly is a guilty pleasure for me.
Nice video man. I understand where you're coming from with the Vladof spray and prey, its really easy to do. Its not how I use them. I like to use them almost like Dahl guns but i can control the burst number, also like Dahl in general though.
Damn Derch you been uploading a lot of videos lately. That's pretty good. But I do like some of your videos for sure. Keep up the good work.
Tbh I dont think only on showdown would fix tombstone. IMO if it was a big crit dmg boost on kill instead that would incentivise to use it out of showdown as you can't really aim on showdown. As for shoot in ground and win.. yea no..
What's wrong with Nisha being a fan of me?...
I find the infinity fun just to fuck with when I want to feel OP. But that's Maya as a character lol
So, tribute video with Maya and a Maggie, then. Got it. :P
Aaaand it's rendering. :P
@@ChristheFlakkerGod Bruh
When your auto aiming your not really aiming for crit shots either which affects the value of each shot.
Not what i expected but i got a Nisha video. XD
At least you get an explanation
But youre recoil is actually better than other weapon since you can control the fire rate better than other guns and the best way to buff/Nerf neisha is have a final skill in a tree that gives her Auto aim and some sort of buff
Have you tried hip firing jakobs snipers with the riflewoman tree the fire rate fixes bolt action and fire rate caps of jakobs snipers the accuracy boosts help with poor sniper hip accuracy trickshot helps with fast enemies tombstone lets you crit quickly instead of lining up headshots. If you think about it the riflewoman tree is built for jakobs snipers the fan the hammer tree is built for the other jakobs weapons especially pistols
In my experience, jackobs was easily my 2nd worst manufacturer (1st being bandit)for me. The lack of elemental weapons (besides the 4 unique ones) turns me off. I also think that Most of their gun types are made better by other manufacturers, shotguns by Hyperion and tediore, Snipers by maliwan and Dahl, and Assault Rifles by every other manufacturers ( except bandit). I do like their pistols though, easily their best gun type.
In BL2 Tedior is my faveorite and now BL3 COV is gonna my specialty
I dislike these perks that make your shots ricochet,its a FPS game you need to know how to shoot well,if you dont,you will learn over time,the whole point of a FPS game is the experience of knowing how to shoot well and that good feel when you hit where you want.
HITTING WHEN YOU MISS is very boring and takes away the fun of the game.
Then don't get the skill or jakobs pistols with the prefix of the same name. That has been a thing already since borderlands 2 initially released at the very latest. Though you still have to be reasonably close in your aiming with trickshot for anyone besides giege in 2, even with Nisha's skill of the same name trickshot doesn't mean you will hit someone you aren't looking at without really fucking great luck.
Akuma Imayaruk
Its not REALLY a choice you can make,this thing is tied to the game.
In the skilltree you either pick this or other perk,thats it,if you want to go down on that tree you are obligated to choose between these two perks,and if the other perk isnt that great you are "obligated" to put this.
And about the weapons,we can only "choose" the guns we will use after a ton of grinding,in normal playthroght you are obligated to use your highest level/damage weapon,if it is a weapon with Trickshot you will use that until you get something better,wich in Borderlands,can take a while.
Ya nothing you said supports your claim that it really isn't a choice. Honestly trickshot pistols are some of the rarest drops for me, and as you said there is another skill you can take so you DON"T HAVE TO put any skills in trickshot if you don't like that skill to still use the tree. So now then you can get a different skill to avoid trickshot, and you are very unlikely to find a trickshot pistol that trumps the rest of your gear from a normal save file, and if you edit your file you don't need to worry about trickshot at all. With how these things that let you avoid using it how is complaining about the skill worth anything constructive?
Akuma Imayaruk
*I will give an example to make things clear:*
You need to choose between 2 skills-
*Killing an enemy restore all your health and all your shots ricochet for a short period
*+5%More magazine size
You need to be VERY dumb to dont pick up the skill that restore your health,so its an illusion of a choice,you are being kinda of obligated to pick up the better one or else you would be hurting yourself.
Wow you really need to double check the skills because it's either get the ricochet effect, or a kill skill to get a chance for all shots to act as crits. but hey the only thing locked by either of those skills is the cap skill so again there is plenty of choice to fit it better to your playstyle, instead of just whinning over a skill you don't care for. Also double check skill trees when you give examples as you tried to make it look like a choice between the first tier killskill for that tree Bona Fide Grit, was what you had to choose instead of Trickshot, when it's either Snapshot or Bona Fide Grit for the first tier choice of that tree.
I agree with you on all parts exept the new action skill in my opinion it would be just boring and falt. I think that a better action skill would be that you can't shot for a few seconds but when you shot your bullet would gain a massive speed up, damage up, accuracy up and critical damage up but it can't ricochet and you need to aim it. It would keep the western feel and it would greatly synergyze with jakobs wepons