My Favorite Stove is Half the Price of Competitors
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When I suggested the Camping Moon to you, I wasn't expecting it to make it in as many of your videos as it has. Thank you for listening to your commenters.
I'm super grateful for a community of great people here such as yourself! It goes to show that I have a lot I can learn about so I'd say keep commenting!
same :)
Ty for the review on that stove, Eric. I think as long as it holds up as long term as the Soto or MSR you are spot on that it is a Way better buy. I would like to see how they compare to Soto’s little brother, the Amicus.
@eric_hanson thanks to your videos, this is the stove I bought for my first backpacking trip that I'll be taking this October
One thing I'll say for the OG Pocket Rocket, I've got ~20 years on mine-2,000+ uses in all kinds of conditions-and it still works with no problems or makeshift solutions. That's not to say the other stoves don't equal that, just saying that the stove is bulletproof.
I love that. MSR has such a long track record of quality that I think that's part of what people pay for. Glad you've had such astounding success with your stove!
Well they made them bulletproof 20 years ago! Hopefully they still do today. Guess we won’t know until 2044😂 but seriously, that’s a long time to have a piece of gear hold up.
As a Soto Windmaster user since 2017, I'd recommend the Soto Amicus for most people as the pot support is integrated so no worries of losing it and much more compact when storing inside the pot. I am also using the 3 prong pot support with the Windmaster as the 4 prong is much bulkier when stored. The Amicus is a great deal with a pot for $50 at REI.
As someone using these things mostly for day hiking lunches and beverages and car camping for water boiling, I've loved the amicus. Dead simple, works quickly, and very moderate wind on 40 degree temps hasn't been an issue and my wide shaped gsi kettle is super stable. As a relatively budget all arounder, I agree it's pretty killer.
Planning to add TriFlex with Firemaple Petrel HX 600
No regulator though if you’re planning to be in the cold and/or at altitude.
@@phillipp1399 I've also used a non regulated stove below freezing and at altitude on the Colorado Trail and the Sierra Nevada and it is completely fine. When I'm winter camping and it's below zero, I mainly use the MSR Whisperlite Universal where I can invert the gas canister.
@@funnybeingme they’ll often work, especially if you warm your fuel tank. But your fuel usage goes up considerably. Great for overnights but less desirable additional effort and fuel loss for many. Whisper lights are nifty but heavier and considerably fussier, without need these days.
Did you know the tri-flex for windmaster fits on camping moon and is sold separately? Camping moon stove with tri-flex and petril pot is so good boils too fast.
It does fit. The diameter of the burner head is identical.
Get the Fire Maple Petrel pot and you have a true Jetboil killer
oooooh I love that. I was aware of the tri-flex, but yeah going full frankenstein mashup sounds like a great idea.
Thank you, this was the question that I was going to ask!
I bought the Soto Windmaster due to its mix of reliability in all conditions and fuel efficiency. And it’s the largest stove that still fits inside my Toaks 750ml pot with the lid on, together with its pot stand, a small fuel canister, a backup lighter, and 1-2 small pieces of cleaning cloth/pot gripper. With a little room to spare, so initially I also put in the stuff sack of the Soto to avoid any scratching, yet that’s unnecessary added weight. Nothing rattles around, with the canister at the bottom and the cloth positioned well. I switched the 4 prong stand with the 3 prong stand by default now, because it’s lighter and for small pots like the Toaks it even feels a bit more stable. But both stands are fine. The CampingMoon looks like a good clone that will work just as well, but I really don’t mind the price of the “original” as I hope to use it for a number of years. I plan to take it on another one-week trip in October, and am very confident I’ll be happy again with that cooking setup.
You would have to repeat the boiling tests at least 30 times per stove and weigh the fuel canisters to get any useful data on true boil times and fuel consumption. It would be expected there would be some variance between boils, and the differences for the main 3 were close enough to account for statistical noise.
The best comparison video of camp stoves. Thank you for a thorough, honest review. 👍 And LMNT…by far the best! Miranda got me started and I’m hooked! 😂
Enjoy your videos, thanks again! 🎉
I grabbed my Windmaster for $33 on a special deal, and at that price, I've never found anything better with the same price/quality ratio.
This is my second year with the Camping Moon.
Probably around 30 days worth of trips.
Been a great stove!
Very efficient and reliable.
I think its worth a check out to look at the firemaple greenpeak stove!
That campingmoon stove looks very similar to the Decathlon MT500, also very similar price, and the Decathlon stove is just one piece like the Pocket Rocket.
Kinda like the SOTO Amicus more than the Windmaster tough, its just more compact imo.
doesn't seem like it has a pressure regulator on it?
Great video as always! love it! The Soto windmaster is amazing, I would never take it out of my gear even when I go car camping instead of bikepacking or backpacking it comes along just in case lol
I've cooked the most amazing pesto pasta with that stove and a jet boil pot lol Soto is the way to go all the way!
I have found that piezo lighters work better with lower fuel pressure, i.e. the control knob at a lower setting when striking the ignitor. Mess around with that and see what you think.
I have found that to be true with the Campingmoon. But oddly, I have found the opposite with the Soto Windmaster. It doesn't ignite unless it's all the way up.
I bought the Camping Moon after watching one of your previous videos and used twice last month when I did Cottonwood Pass to whitney portal. It worked great! Absolutely loved it, held up in the wind on the side of Mt Whitney.
Gotta try the Fire Maple Green Peak too!
Thanks for putting the Camping Moon next to the MSR PR Deluxe. I'd never seen them side by side and you're right, they do look identical except for the pot supports.
This is a great comparison video. I have the soto windmaster and love the versatility of switching out the pot holders. I have use the 4 pronged supports when using a bigger pot and the tri-flex when using the Fire Maple Petrel pot.
I was able to get the Pocket Rocket Deluxe for $35 and i like it. This stove sounds good so i might get it as i often outfit friends and family for backpacking trips.
Thank you = I work with a youth Venturing Scout crew and the gear has to be affordable to 14 y/os. This ie exactly what we need and will be playing for the crew. Keep up the good work and it is helping create life long outdoor enthusiasts.
I love that. That's my goal with videos like this!
I bought the camping moon one based on your recommendation. I was going to send it back as faulty as I could not get it to work, then I read the Amazon customer comments as many people had the same issue. I tried it again & screwed it on the cylinder so tight (to almost the point where I was afraid that I would strip the thread) and just about got it to work & light. I think that the pin on the connector is not long enough... I hope it will improve with use! Buyer beware of this issue.... Nice video & thanks for your great ongoing content!
The stove just isn't connecting to the fuel canister properly? Does fuel come out when you open the valve and it just doesn't ignite? That sounds very strange.
@@eric_hanson If you look at the pin inside the connector & then compare it with the really cheap one you will see that it's much shorter. I just tried it again and if you screw it on really tight ( like your just about to strip the thread ) then it will just connect. I'm hoping the it will get a bit looser with use. I will keep it because it's a good stove overall.
That's something I'll say for Japanese stuff... their quality is pretty consistent. If you're camping solo and you NEED a stove... probably worth the extra cost for peace of mind. It just works.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue You've obviously never owned a Seiko watch ;)
@@iamastig I have! I love the grand master series. And my comment was more of a generality... which may not be true in every single case.
It's a cultural thing, though... and a question of what the people in general value which drives how products are made. Americans (in general) value... "size" and "value" so bigger for less money is better.
If a pen writes 10% more smoothly, but production costs 20% more your average British or American consumer won't see the value in that. Your "average" Japanese consumer will look at the pen that writes 10% more smoothly and say... well, this one is better, so why would I buy the inferior one?
This is compounded by the typical Japanese appreciation of minimalism (likely influenced by Zen Buddhism)... not to mention having smaller homes... less room for junk.
To put it concisely... there is a bigger market for "better" in Japan and a bigger market for "cheaper" in America. (This doesn't apply to EVERYONE... just a generality)
I believe the swiss and germans also culturally have valued precision, which explains how they build their consumer goods (like cars and clocks)
In the manufacturing world, the concept of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't resonate as well in Japan... it's more of... it works well, but how can we improve it.
They tend to be VERY good at developing innovative techniques to improve something incrementally... something valued culturally... whereas, America tends to be VERY good at novel innovation, developing brand new techniques or products.
Kodak revolutionizes camera technology, Japan incrementally improves it. China then mass produces cheap copies of it.
My current preferred setup for boiling water is the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe and the Fire Maple G3 Petrel. You can have the pot supports fit in the heat exchanger's cutouts with just a bit of fiddling. This makes it a highly efficient and quick boil. The only improvement I'd like is to have pot supports that can fit in the pot without fiddling.
Tell us more. Slight bending of the supports? I bent the BRS to work with the Petrel and was looking at the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe to not have to modify.
@@daviddecoste8694 no modification or bending for the Pocket Rocket. Just messing with pot supports until it fits.
How sure are you that they are compatible? I saw a recent video saying it’s almost impossible to take the pot off the stove once the prongs are in the slots because they are curved. The video recommended bending them at your own discretion
I don’t know how good that little stove is but based upon your recommendation I bought it. I’ll be trying it out next weekend in Wyoming.
I'd love to hear what you think after you try it out!
I use a Soto Windmaster with Tri-flex support. I like it a lot and it has been my most reliable stove. But I also sometimes take a Soto Amicus and a BRS. BRS was my go-to until I took a couple of long term trips in cold weather. It was very inefficient without the regulator and wind guard. Still a good stove if those are not going to be an issue on your trip. I like to carry it still on my Florida trips or overnighters.
Haven't tried the new pocket rocket deluxe as I bought the Windmaster before that came out. Have used MSR stoves in the past. I used to use the old white-gas one in the 90s when doing high adventure boy scout trips. They make solid, durable gear.
I have this stove. It is really good. Also, the Soto 3 prong adapter fits it if you want to use the Fire Maple Petrel cookpot with it.
This was a great review, thanks! I use the Pocket Rocket Deluxe with a modified Olicamp XTS pot and get 1 min 30 seconds boil times in the wind for 2 cups of water. It's an easy modification with a Dremel and fits nicely. I own the Campingmoon one as well and really like it as well.
I purchased the camping moon a couple months ago for my upcoming '25 hike. I had heard that it was an improved version of the wind master. A bit heavy, but worth it for efficiency. I'm pairing it with the Fire Maple 1 L with the heat transfer for even better fuel efficiency.
You mentioned the campingmoon a couple videos ago and I bought it based off of that recommendation. I've taken it to 3 backpacking trips now and it's performed like a charm. I'm glad it's getting the shine it deserves!
woohoo that's great to hear!
My stove (GSI Pinnacle) is one that no one ever talks about because it's not great at it's regular price ($50 at REI) because it doesn't have a piezo. I got mine at Sierra for $23, and so I think it is an amazing stove. It holds the Sea to Summit X Kettle with no stability issues.
When I go for backpacking, I found the BRS to be the best choice because of it weight. I would also bring a piece of aluminum foil as a windbreaker, it’s super lightweight and can have other uses. As the piezo, it is great to have one included in the stove, but overtime they then to fail and you will probably need a lighter if you want a camp fire, so not a big issue to skip it.
Otherwise, if weight is less of an issue (canoe camping for instance) I much rather a standalone stove with a fuel extension, as it is way more stable than any screw-on-top stove and let me use the much cheaper butane or propane using an adapter.
Another plus for the camping moon is it's designed for multi-fuel so mid summer you can use butane which in Canada at least is way cheaper than camp fuel. And shoulder seasons you can use propane for the higher vapor pressure
If I didn’t already own the Soto I would buy this stove! When I was acquiring backpacking gear paying as much as I did for the Soto was definitely a splurge purchase but I needed a stove for high winds, if only I had found this one!
P.S. for future: one thing I’d be interested in seeing is g of fuel used for each boil. Nobody ever does those comparisons and it might be interesting!
Paleohiker does these comparisons almost every time. He has already tested campingmoon stove against windmaster. He tests boil times and boil times in wind, also the fuel consumption.
@@TheMrJuhisjust looked it up. For anyone wanting to know he boil tested 2 cups of water with both the soto windmaster and camping moon he described as a knock off. Results:
SOTO 1min58sec 7g of fuel
Camping moon 2min07sec 11g of fuel
I think that would be a good thing for me to work on tracking. But without specifics, I've been really impressed with its fuel consumption even in windy conditions, which I think is the real test.
@@jonarific8504 thanks for bringing this over. I did my boil test with 2 cups of water as well but I didn't measure the fuel consumption. Although I found that the Camping Moon was actually the faster stove without wind.
@@eric_hanson There are so many variables that are hard to control even when doing these tests indoors. Tests should be done tens of times to get reliable data. Then again, we get relatively good information on just seeing tests from multiple content creators. We know all of those 3 work very similarly. I'm not vibing with the total copying of the soto model, yet if I wouldnt have a windmaster I would be tempted to buy the campingmoon.
I'm using my Campangmoon stove with the Z01 tripod from the same company. Very good setup. The BRS-3000T is my backup option.
That's a good way to do it!
As much as I love my Rocket Pocket Deluxe, the biggest pet peeve is the piezo igniter. It's total hit or miss. Plus customer service with MSR is just a pain.
I think I'm the unfortunate one person who ordered a BRS (years ago when it started having all the thru-hiker buzz) and got a lemon that stopped working after 2 minutes. It's what led me to stop trying to be clever and just buy the PocketRocket 2 stove to be done with it.
I also didn't care for how small the burner area was (as was mentioned in the vid) on the BRS. The bigger your pot - or the more weight in it - the more you start to notice that it's going to sit pretty precarious on that small burner. And if you're doing a lot of cooking while hiking the back country, you know that you'll also rarely be able to place that stove completely on a truly level surface to begin with. Sure, you can get a "stabilizer" (or whatever they're called) to level out the fuel canister, but that's sort of defeating the purpose of trying to save on weight and money.
If you're like me and are suspicious of - or just don't feel you need - Piezo igniters, that brings the CampingMoon ($38 on Amazon as I write this) and MSR PocketRocket 2 ($50) to within $12 in price of each other. If I was starting out, I'd still likely lean toward MSR, located in Seattle and founded in 1969, over CampingMoon, founded about a dozen years ago and located in China. Then again, I'm still warming up to the concept of Lanshan and NatureHike (both also founded in China about the exact same time). 🤣
That said, when I DID start out just doing some car camping, I had the Coleman Classic 1-burner stove (still about $24) that I loved. You could actually use the thing to club wild game to death to bring back to camp to eat. The thing is a tank at 8 ounces and not once did I have a problem with it until I handed down that, my Ozark Trail 2P yellow tent (another problem-free, car camping tank for a decade) and my Stanley cook kit (the $15 model with the green cups most people threw away that everyone loved, that now costs almost the same as a comparable Toaks titanium pot) to my nephew.
Take care.
Camping Moon, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon 🐲
.. I've been fascinated and impressed wit backpack stoves for many years .. when I started backpacking ,, early '70's ,, I used a canister stove called the Globe Trotter ,, Contained in a 2 pot assembly ,,Worked well , did the job but the early days of fuel canisters .. they didn't have threaded attachments ,so when you installed a canister you punctured the canister with a needle from the stove and after you had to leave it together until it's used up ... some people had units come loose and when used next, it was either empty or it would flare up ,,even had a report of explosion ... Still have it but canisters are no longer available ....... Next carried the MSR International Whisperlite ,, liquid fuel,, great stove for camps of a few days but a little time involved in assembly compared to a canister ,, although at altitude and cold temps, in my opinion still the best ... since then I have collected a number of stoves just to have .. A pretty cool stove is the SVEA , self contained liquid stove made of brass tank plus burner assembly ... as close to a canister stove as you could get for simplicity of use for a liquid stove ... No longer winter hike and mobile camp now is with a Hot Tent and wood stove ,, using a Pulk Sled ..........A few years ago I bought an MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe for under $40.00 and have used it exclusively since ,, great stove with no issues ... have watched SOTO come out with a few different stoves ,, the Windmaster with 3 or 4 arm pot supports ,, your choice .. then the Amicus , which seems to be more popular now .. As simple as stoves are I can't understand why so much time and engineering is put in to new products .. with minimal care ,, they all pretty much will last a lifetime ... but they are kind of fun ... and for me as long as it's a competitive cost and weight is never an issue ...
Yes sir I own all three so the weight is closer with the three prong attachment on the windmaster will try the camping moon next thanks
My new pot (Firemaple) with the heat exchanger needs a stove with 3 pot supports, points for the MSR. I would bet many of your viewers already have stoves of course. Yea, got a Pocketrocket, and a BRS, and a few other unknowns. Thanks for the heads up, as we all know people that need this stove
Get the Soto tri-flex pot stand with the Soto Windmaster or the Campingmoon. It fits the Fire Maple Petrel perfectly.
Thanks for the reviews! Maybe I missed it but a big thing for me is seeing how small the stoves pack down. I certainly want them to fit in my Ti pot with the canister. I would prioritize that over a small difference in weight.
Fuel required in grams for each boil would be helpful (just weigh the setup before and after).
Greetings Eric, Thank you for the video. My first stove was the Optimus Hiker 111B. No wonder my pack weight was so high. Best regards …
whoa that's an old school contraption!
TOPIC FOR THE BOARD: WHAT COOK SETUP DID YOU START WITH BACK IN THE DAY?
For me:
1) Cook stove: I started with car camping. I had the Coleman Classic 1-burner stove, currently available for about $24 on Amazon. The thing is an 8-ounce tank that I had no trouble with whatsoever until I handed it down and upgraded to a BRS (then $13), which was a lemon whose craftsmanship, materials and size left a bit to be desired, and then almost immediately to the MSR PocketRocket 2 (then about $45).
2) Cook kit: I had the classic Stanley pot with the two green cups that most people threw away. It was about $14 at WM back then and was very popular before the price of titanium pots went down. I handed that down as well to my nephew, in favor of a 750 ml Toaks knock-off titanium cup with lid. Now, that same Stanley kit costs the same as a comparable titanium Toaks pot on Amazon (about $25).
3) Utensil(s): I started with the classic long-handled titanium spork ($10). It was overkill and I didn't like the feel against my teeth. I switched to the HumanGear GoBites Duo (about $7 at the time) and never looked back. It's smaller than the long-handled spork/spoon to pack, longer than the spork/spoon when snapped together and is plenty stable for stirring ramen bombs.
I believe the test of the strength of a utensil is how well it can stir a ramen bomb at the bottom of a quart-sized freezer bag, just like the standard unit of measurement for hikers is the Nalgene bottle.
Take care.
Campingmoon X2-DF or Soto Windmaster + Soto Windmaster triflex potstand + Firemaple Petrel = Jetboil killer
yeah I think that's a pretty killer combination!
Love your videos but I have to stick with my Jetboil MightyMo stove and Petrel pot. Yes the MightyMo is a little heavier at 107 grams but I have yet to have an issue with it and you can buy it most places for about $45. The pot support on it is the 120 degree legs so it fits the FireMaple Petrel pot perfectly. I haven't done a boil test with them yet but plan to soon.
I think you will really fall in love with the Petrel pot once you try one out.
Pro tip - you can use original triflex pot support from Soto with Campingmoon XD 2F and reduce weight from 101g to 71g !
I've been using an MSR Micro Rocket for years. 70 grams (2.5 oz) and never fails. Might be tough to find one nowadays.
I heard the piezo igniter is replaceable on the windmaster. That’s points for me, I love repairable gear. But tbh I’m buying the BRS as my first. Lightweight and affordable. I’ll upgrade to a reliable Soto later when I have more cash and start doing colder trips.
It is, I just took a look on Amazon and it is listed as an "igniter repair kit" from Soto
I've had my eye on the Soto Windmaster and was going to purchase it before next summer so I will have to keep my eye on the Campingmoon, unfortunately right now here in Canada it's only about $10 less than the Soto so hopefully the price drops by next summer or it goes on sale.
How is Camping Moon's customer support? I have had to use both Soto and MSR's over the years and they are awesome.
Thanks for the budget list
Welcome! I hope it's helpful.
Have you tried the Fire Maple stove with the pot. Devin from Backcountry Exposure does a great job talking about this one
Nice video. I would love to see the firemapple 116t stove on that comparison. (The firemapple pot gets you stuck with 3 legs stoves)
Small idea that may bring some value to some viewers: Would you be willing to share your most recent preference on backpack classes? I have a similar weight to comfort preference as you and you’ve helped me rule out UL frameless packs for that weight class, but where have you landed between framed UL’ish packs like the Kakwa, vs just going full load bearing in the Bridger series?
Eric, you're my favorite backpacking youtuber. Thanks for being awesome!
aww shucks! Thank you so much!
Well, I bought the AOTU a mont ago bc you recommended it in a video. I guess I'll return it and get this new recommendation.
ha! Well, I don't think that's necessary. I hope you enjoy the AOTU! It's a great stove for 10 bucks!
Question about the boil time experiment. Did you judge the boiling point visually or with a thermometer? The accuracy of the test would obviously be better with the thermometer.
I have the cheap stove and the igniter has never worked for me.
The AOTU? Oddly enough, my worst performing piezo igniter is actually the Soto Windmaster.
@@eric_hanson yeah, guess I just have a bad one. Still works fine with a lighter, so not too big of a deal.
I use the Soto windmaster myself, but I am interested to know if the triflex pot support I use would fit on the camping moon. Great video BTW 😊
The speed of the MSR windburner is worth the little bit of extra weight to me.
Already own too many stoves. I think I'm up to six now... and since I already own them they are all cheaper than a new stove.
For that, I will say two of them are the MSR Pocket Rocket II and the deluxe and they are both killer stoves, especially when paired with a pot I have that is a Ti pot but has an almost "jet boil" style heat transducer on the bottom that locks into a three pronged pot support (so no windmaster for me). With that pot, water boils almost twice as fast (no joke) so the fuel savings are pretty killer. FireMaple makes it if anybody is interested.
I'd just caution against the BSR for newbies. The quality control is garbage at the factory, so you may get a good one or you may get a lemon, and the lemons are prone to flare ups in the field - and a fire hazard like that is a horrible thing to take into the backcountry.
Price often has very little to do with the product.
I often buy kit direct from China on AliExpress and here's a breakdown of how you get to the price of some of these big brands.
So let's take a quality camping stove that I could buy direct from the manufacturer with a no name Chinese brand for $20. Then add a big name brand and the price they would buy if for from the same manufacturer would be about $15. They would then sell it to a retailer for say $25. The retailer then sells it to the end user, Joe public for $50-$60.
Does this look like a similar price breakdown to the 3 main stove in this video, I think it does.
I appreciate your outstanding effort.
thank you so much!
Camping moon is min $86 Canadian
Soto is $99 Canadian
Msr pocket rocket deluxe is min $139 Canadian.😢
Costco has the Denali Outdoors backpacking stove system for $59 Canadian! I would love for you to try it.
Eric thanks for the video and information ... Any chance you measured how much fuel each stove used during the boil test?
Decathlon makes one of these types of stoves as well.
So... hate to ask but have you looked at the tech inside the stove? How do I know it's not a knock off? It looks pretty damn close to the Windmaster. How do I know Camping Moon isn't infringing on Soto's IP?
Have you tried Decathlon's stoves??? Would like to hear about them too, compared to those you use
I get it. It just bugs me when someone spends money developing a great stove, and China comes along, copy's it with little effort. Kinda a ripoff
They should lower their prices to allow more people access to them. They WONT so the Amazon stoves allow people who otherwise couldn’t afford to enjoy the outdoors like those who have the expendable cash. Thank god we have somewhat of a free market.
BRS is 25 55 with shipping and that’s ok I used your link
I got that $13 Chinese stove for like $5, free shipping from china like 8 years ago.... it's worked just fine every time I have taken it out. I have MSR pocket rocket, MSR whisper lite, Jetboil Mini-mo, Trangia spirit burner, and like 6 homemade alcohol stoves. All I'm saying is, performance over price all day.... if it works great, then yes!! ... inexpensive is awesome, and all that shit is made in china anyways....
The camping moon stove with the lighter is $37.00.
It's been 32 for a long time, price changed right before I posted. Prices on Amazon just fluctuate so it'll probably drop again if you watch it.
Did you pic the size of the gas cams to have the burners of the stoves align as much as possible or is that just a weird coincidence?😅
Bought the camping moon on Amazon about a month ago. The igniter was not reliable. It consistently takes 3-5 clicks to get it to lite. Definitely, bring another lighter with you when you go out.
Oddly, this is exactly what I found on the Soto, it requires many attempts to ignite where the Campingmoon often ignites on the first click. I don't know why this is or why this seems to happen on a stove by stove basis.
I have 3 of those stoves...all the cheap ones
Will the camping moon/soto nest in a toaks 750ml pot with a small fuel canister?
Agree the soto and camping moon pot stand adapter support sucks. That said have you tried the soto tri-flex on the camping moon XD-2F to see if it fits on it?
I have not, but it's identical size and many commenters here say that it does indeed fit and I certainly expect that to be true.
@eric_hanson thats what i thought but have yet to franken mod mine LOL.
I've also had a clone of the aotu since 2017 and its worked ok since then but the fuel efficiency is horrendous as is with most unregulated stoves lol.
FYI, as far as piezo igniters goes, Camping Moon sells an external hand held igniter similar to the MSR one.
I got one (generic unnamed orange version) a few years ago from E-B (can't spell it out since google censors all posts with the e-store site names) but you can find it on other sites like both A's (mine is completely orange and sells for a fraction of the price on that far away A e-store in Asia).
I use mine for stoves that have piezo issues or none at all, i keep it in play in my igniter ditty bag since its really light and saves on disposable lighters though i keep one as well just in case.
Would love to see a video similar to this one - th-cam.com/video/1bSTXdBl-DA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GvWlxICh8SUyFRmh This guy measured the temperature of the water when testing and also did a simulated wind test. BUT most importantly, he showed the fuel usage. That video is 3 years old. Would be nice to see an update. As of right now I’m leaning towards buying the Soto and the triplex add on. Based on the videos I’ve seen, REI reviews, and Reddit the Soto has a more reliable piezo igniter, good built in windscreen, and is fuel efficient.
In my opinion, fuel efficiency is the most important part. Camping moon could be a contender but it still needs more testing (fuel usage and wind test).
Ive been using the AOTU (under a different name) since 2021 with no issues whatsoever.
I'm really happy with how many people have commented their success with the AOTU stove. I't a great little guy!
Think it's probably worth mentioning the country of manufacturing..is a piece of the puzzle in cost
You know they’re probably all made in the same factory too!
I can't use gas stoves since I can't smell gas. I use sterno. can u do a sterno review video? thks rox
What I have noticed with my CampingMoon is that it doesn't work with all types of gas canisters. It's easy to see that CampingMoon took the lower part from MSR and the top part from Soto
I have tried the Campingmoon with all my different fuel types and haven't had any issues. But I don't know if there are some manufacturing issues that are leading to other people having problems?
@@eric_hanson My device only works with a Jetboil canister
You should have weighed the cans to see how much fuel each one used!
11:18 Yes. FlatCatGear has a series of videos on this.
nice, good to know!
First things to go with low cost is usually quality control and customer service. Seems to be a lottery if you get one that works and really depends on which batch or run you get of the item. Reliability is key with a stove as you know. Not touching on these faults is a big oversight especially when you have affiliate links for the items. Covering most common issues with an item should be included with any review. Just feels like you're trying to sell me something not review it.
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Intend your puns. Do not be a weakling. Lol.
The AOTU is also available on amazon under a different name for $7.99.
That's crazy cheap!
Will the SOTO TriFlex pot stand fit on the CampingMoon burner?
Yes! It does!
@@eric_hanson Cool! Thanks.
You started talking about wind effect and I fully expected you to run a fan and repeat the tests. Instead you went straight to the conclusion., as if you left the wind test on the editting floor. Good video regardless.
I didn't want the video to get too long "winded".
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Just picked up the Fire Maple petrel heat exchanger pot PLUS greenpeak stove for 44 of your yankee moneys. I’d say if you’re looking for both a stove and a pot, this is the deal for you
Niiice. That's a great deal!
@@eric_hanson It’s on their official website. I can’t recommend this set enough 👌
Does the MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe fit into a 750ml titanium pot? The campingmoon stove does fit, but the Soto Windmaster does not fit!
Oops! Nevermind, the Soto Windmaster does fit in the pot... just have to squeeze the sides of the pot to allow the windmaster to go in. Campingmoon is a couple mm shorter than the windmaster so it just drops right in.
Hi, I recently noticed an error with the brs3000, that when I want to reduce the power (or turn off) the stove, the power increases sharply. Does it happen to you too, anyone there?
I am old and used to hike at high altitude. Are my liquid gas stove days over?
Primus is the brand.
Liquid fuel stoves are still classics! I just find they are quite a bit more finicky and require attention and finessing. I really appreciate that you simply refill the fuel tanks, so there isn't the same waste as with isobutane stoves. I think they are great stoves for more advanced users.
Anyone else want to reach through the screen to rip the film off that scale? XD
I can’t buy the camping moon in Canada, anyone in the US willing to ship me one?
Hi Eric! Do you edit videos yourself or have you hired someone? I’m an editor and would love to discuss, if you’re interested
What's the *real* benefit of a regulator? Regulators on camping stoves essentially act as pressure relief valves, limiting the maximum pressure at which the stove functions, thus having a more consistent operating pressure over a range of conditions. Sure, a regulated stove means you turn it on and can completely zone out, but other than having to pay a minimum of attention to a non-regulated stove...what's the difference?
You'll find the pressure of the burn also stays the same whether the gas cartridge is full or near empty. Without the regulator you will find a difference in burn power depending on how full the cartridge is.
From my understanding and some experience, they work more consistently from full to empty gas canisters, aswell as usability in cold weather and altitudes. Also good simmer control.
Since a regulator simply limits maximum pressure, you can get the same result by opening the unregulated valve slightly more as the gas canister empties, or if you are in colder weather / higher altitude. So other than requiring less attention, I still don't see the benefits...
Regulator saves fuel IMO
The Amazon stoves are always cheaper because the manufacturers steal the designs of the innovating companies. The PR Deluxe was a ripoff of the windmaster when it was released but you notice enough differences and “innovation” so they don’t get sued. Those who outright steal their designs are based in countries where such theft is impossible or egregiously expensive to stop.
If you want to ensure future innovation, better quality control, following of regulations and standards for safe devices & safe employees, and warranty/support then spend what the product is worth with the original designers. Supporting thieves is short sighted and honestly a real “dork” move.
I don't mind this. I've said it in other videos the ethics of intellectual property is worth considering. But also, I think innovation will happen no matter what. Stealing, borrowing, and building off others ideas is a tale as old as time. It's up to you as a consumer to buy what you want to support.
@@eric_hanson hard to pay to innovate when more and more of what would have been your profits go to the people who ripped you off. Then they’ll steal your new tech and profits too. Motivation is stolen along with their profitability. Ethics impact actions, actions impact the world. Even when we turn a blind eye.
Personally, unless something is stolen from an individual artist (ie ball jointed doll molds made by independent artists) or a cottage company that is not yet established, I am not terribly worried about paying less for a product that is the same or comparable to a large brand name.
Problem is finding something that is the same quality can be difficult. Not all knock offs are merely “off brand”.
@@thisbeem2714 I see. So only the work of creatives who are struggling should be protected or respected? And how about the workers in their foreign factories who have no regulations to protect them from lead and other toxins in the manufacturing process? They don’t need protection because you’d rather not consider how your actions impact them? Must be nice to live behind so much denial, or entitlement, or whatever.
@@phillipp1399 see the thing is, I think the companies use those same factories. Or ones just as bad. So yeah, I care about them, of course I do. That just wasn’t part of the conversation. The subject was about stealing innovations. I thought about going into that subject, but I chose to leave it out since it is a much longer conversation. No need to attack me personally. I am glad you brought it up. Just, do it for yourself next time instead of going on a high horse and adding it to a separate subject. It’d be much more impactful.
Once again a poorly done review, and I'll explain (after 35 years of mountaineering and now of extreme hiking).
The Soto Windmaster stove has a three-point support bringing the stove to less than 70 gr
In nature you will never find water at 20 degrees but much less so the temperature and wind conditions
One thing you never do is try the stoves with the canisters almost empty and here you see the difference between the various stoves (even if they have a vacuum valve)
Now the best pot on the market is Fire maple 600ml, with the heat diffuser shaped to accommodate the three-point support with an angle of 120 degrees
See th-cam.com/video/gY5AnfF2PDI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Uu128NXjikQ/w-d-xo.html
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