Evolution of the Swordmaster Class (Fire Emblem)
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I just can't get over how dirty they did Astra in Three Houses. At least make it 50-60% damage x5 if you're going to demand 9 whole durability...
@Wil E that would be so overpowered though. x5 damage on player phase for only 5 weapon uses? Why not classic 5 50% attacks for 5 uses? Maybe a 5/10/15 decrease to hit to make it a bit more fair
its honestly a tough skill to balance. especially since it really finds its uses against monster who typically end up with low dodge and low luck stats. If it was just slightly more powerful you'd honestly trash a majority of the beast encounters/beast bosses tbh.
How about 6 hits?
I know it's tradition, but I feel like 3x damage is that sweet spot.
It seems like Three Houses went out of the way to make nearly every combat art worse than doubling, which is a shame because it means they tend to be useless outside of Maddening.
It works good with characters with high crit rates
When it comes to Three Houses, before the introduction of allowing people to use outfits of characters regardless of class, Felix was the only canon Swordmaster, as his unique post-timeskip outfit would appear while in that class. One could argue Byleth's canon class is also Swordmaster, but that's hard to say... at least, till Cindered Shadows came out, where Byleth's class is a Swordmaster.
Edit: Forgot Catherine.
I still don't get why 3H seems to like pairing swords with brawling so much when no class (that anyone can use) supports that.
I feel like Byleth would have been the one canon Hero if the class wasn't male-locked (and if you disregard the unique class).
@@wesnohathas1993 But the point is, Hero demands Swords and Axes, and there are some characters who could have this if it didn't suck.
@@mysterium368 hero class was destroyed in three houses. Heroes were very balanced and strong but now locking them only male and with none that is skilled in sword and axe is useless. Even about abilities is useless
Not to mention that story wise it would've been fine. Considering that; much like Ike (who pretty much became the 2nd and latest in his series) Byleth is more of a mercenary than a lord as well.
@@somethingwithultra7231 even nabarl is a mercenary according to his role but his class is swordmaster. We must consider the differences between mercenary (class) and mercenary (role). Byleth has not promotion at the beginning and receive his unique class very early so his canon class is enlighted one. In cinderace shadow he is swordmaster because that is the best class that fits him of alla advanced classes
I remember getting Ryoma Vantage, then just sending him into a mass of enemies... Lets just say, on average he tends to max level first. When I tried 3 houses and saw Felix, the strat was reborn, however I had to be careful as Felix doesn't get the benefit of Rajinto's 2 tile distance. And sure he can get a Levin Sword, but that does squat against mages, which he doesn't like... a lot... send the medic please...
I forgot Trude from FE5! Sorry friends.
So does everyone else
Who from FE5?
You forgot to add TMS.
They went from trash to decent to god tier to trash again for a while, to somewhat usable, to great, to god tier, to the definitive sword class. Crazy ride they’ve been on.
Def a class with many faces
They weren't originally trash either; they're one of the few foot units with 6 move & proc astra based on their skill level (which can also be raised by not only a skill ring but the Balmung as well. Which Shanan can wield & get some really really heavy hits on).
Something With Ultra
Foot unit in my horsie emblem? That isn’t named Silvia Lene or Laylea? I’ll pass.
All jokes aside. Its super annoying trying to get swordmasters to any form of combat, and once they do, they lack durability, and they’re albeit great ability to one round is matched by other more mobile units with gimmicks like Brave Axe or legendary weapons. They’re just not worth it. Shannan is useful sometimes since there is stuff happening closer to the castle in gen 2 but in the latter half of the map I usually leave them behind to save some time moving troops.
@@xuanathan Fair points tho warp still really really helped with that type of stuff alot of the time. The Leg Ring honestly could be worth it for him too, considering how good he actually is.
Something With Ultra
I usually just give Lene/Laylea the leg ring, so I get 4 extra actions per turn instead of 1.
Nice video! I always found Swordmasters as my favorite class because of their cool animations.
One of the most fun classes to use in FE5, 6 and 10. Useful in DSFE. Enemy phase games really make this class look useless
Not if you turn them into evade tanks
As someone who only played FE7 and FE8 and that was like 12 years ago. I wonder what exactly makes some FE favor enemy phase more than others?
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk it's based on how strong the enemies are compared to yours. It's why fe6 is a player phase game since those enemies have really high stats and good weapons and most of your units just can't deal with that in swarms, so you have to gank them on player phase
@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk also fe6 has unreliable 1-2 range weapons which makes it hard to counter attack a vast majority of enemies
@@wolfofsummerbreeze Unreliable compared to just using actual tanks.
Swordmasters are cool because they go "swish swish swish bam! Chuh chuh chuh!" And the enemy is dead.
Notable Swordmaster in Three Houses: Lysithea.
Gotta put that Crest of Charon to full use 😂
I really enjoy this kind of new content you are adding into the channel! Keep it going, this is great!! 👏
In my mind the Swordmaster's viability is almost always dependent on how they compare to their eternal arch nemesis the Hero class.
In shadow dragon 1-2 range is king and you fight all lances so swordmaster sucks go Hero. In Three Houses Hero's meh as all hell so if you wants swords go Swordmaster...or Assassin I guess.
I find this viewpoint entertaining because Swordmaster's sorta spawned from Navarre, who had a rivalry with Ogma who continued to go into Hero even after the DS games.
Yep. It's basically the concept of All-rounder vs. Specialist. I personally am more inclined to use Heroes over SMs though mostly because of their aesthetic and the characters archetypes that dominate that class.
Trouble is that in the DS titles the Hero and the Swordmaster are locked to two separate class lines. You don't have access to both on one unit.
In modern FE titles, all-rounders are overpowered and specialists are underpowered. S-rank weapons should be off-limits to all-rounders.
@@davidhill8565 that's one of the reasons S Rank weapons are useless in Fates. All of the units who might be able to make use of them can't because weapon rank caps.
@@yeasstt It’s not so in Fire Emblem Engage.
in FE12, Swordmasters are actually a pretty good magic class, thanks to the buffed levin sword and the higher speed cap.
Actually SMs can be useful in FE11 + 12 for hitting high spd caps or raising a unit's spd in general as well as auto C swords (for ex. making Arran a SM so he doesn't get doubled). They are also player phase games mostly so if your SM can double and OR an enemy, it may be worth switching to. FE 11 + 12 allows for some bad or mediocre classes to shine bc you can freely switch classes between chapters meaning you don't have to use those classes in maps that they aren't useful (ie, using General Palla in a map with hard hitting physical units while switching back to DK when flying is needed again).
@samuria 86 True! I forgot that FE11 was a cav/knight party. And it's true that SMs are frail as opposed to Heroes who have Axe weapon rank and better bulk though the extra speed and auto C rank is still useful in some situations in FE12.
@@justintsui2522 Swordmaster isn't very good in FE11 even in warpless runs because every single enemy after the earlygame uses lances and wing spear and horseslayer are too good. They are pretty good in FE12 as there is pretty high enemy variety and they also get access to the swordslayer and wyrmslayer, while also being one of the few classes that doubles consistently. The only problem with FE12 swordmasters is low strength, but that can be fixed by the use of forges, lack if 1-2 range, but that isn't too important in FE12 as it's more player phased, and lack of a mount.
In Fe12 it’s also a nice class for magic units since the sage speed cap sucks and C swords lets them use Levin sword at base.
My experience with the class
Echoes: *FIVE DREAD FIGHTERS!*
Fe4: busted combat but footlock. Arya was a guilty pleasure unit
Fe6: do you even crit?
Fe7: no
Fe8: I loved it when I played the game first but then... Let's just say I use Joshua because I like him, not for the class
New Mystery: never got far enough to promote other units than Kris and Palla. And Kris was a Berserker.
Awakening: again, no. Nosfetank > Dodgetank
Fates: pretty good class for some units, not gonna lie. Xander does it better than Ryoma.
3H: A swordmaster with alert stance and a Wo Dao+ comes REALLY handy on Crimson Flower because of the many axe enemeis. But in other routes? Uhm, yeah... It's a fun class and it has great bases/growth spread but the 5 mov kinda kills it imo.
I can see Swordmaster being useful in Chapter 14 of Crimson Flower due to the spawning Almyran wyverns, but honestly, the final two maps really favored axes since the toughest enemies were definitely the Falcon Knights. Plus, the Golems technically use magic lances, so having Lancebreaker is very useful towards the end of the route. War Master Caspar with Quick Riposte and the Hauteclere was made those Falcon Knights much easier to deal with.
Radiant Dawn really made it clear that they were listening when fans were tired of no 1-2 non magic swords. So obviously they came up with the wind edge line as well as other swords like florete and alondite to give swordmasters the edge this time. And Edward with his hd jacket is op.
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Chapter 12, 14, 15 and Edelgard's paralogue were quite simple with a SM
Ch12: a single armorslayer destroys all the enemeis guarding Seteth, allowing the player to beat him much quicker than usual
Ch14: you got it, those goddamn wyvern lords gets trivialized. But also the war masters and warriors.
Ch15: there are more axe enemeis than the non CF counterpart of the map if I recall correctly
Edelgard's paralogue: pretty much the same. A SM can easily tank and crit the wyverns while your boss killer reaches Nader
Sure, 4 chapters doesn't seem much but... That's half of the route, so yeah. And for the final maps you can always reclass, Petra should be able to get both SM and WL by the end of the game
Da Maverick Blast I appreciate the BisMix reference
Swordmaster is actually at one of its best versions in New Mystery. On harder difficulties, some classes can never double later on because of their speed cap. However a class like Swordmaster can double most enemies because the cap is 30 so their speed cap in that game actually matters. Also when characters reclass to it they get a free C swords.
I really like the newer swordmasters because they are usually glass-cannons
I can understand that, I use to like them a lot due to dodge talking but I realized it wasn't really reliable especially when doing iron man runs
Stefan Zivanovic if they have 0 hit what does it matter?
@@technicallybread but when its not then oh boy
@@technicallybread outside of Shannan in FE4, they typically don't take 0 hit from enemies.
More like glass slingshots considering how weak they usually are.
Great video! Swordmasters are one of my favorite classes :)
Good venture through the history of the class! One of the only notes though is regarding FE12. Reclassing to Swordmaster gives an automatic C-Rank in Swords which allows for Wyrmslayer access immediately during the Anri’s Way chapters and potentially avoids being doubled by high move Wyverns. It also gives your magic units a higher speed cap (I think) and automatic Levin Sword access. In a game where weapon rank is king, it can be very helpful against some of the toughest enemies
3h Swordmaster is pretty damm underwhelming and a class nobody really wants
It's also just 100% inferior to Assassin
I’d argue that switching to Swordmaster for certain maps is great for that extra str and crit in conjunction with other forms of crit stacking without having to invest in resources and time for Defiant Crit. It’s great when they have bat. Wrath because they can easily learn vantage by becoming a merc for a little while. Especially in a game where you can spam warp and rescue like crazy and of course stride is a thing haha
Astra is weak and inefficient in 3H. The total is 1.6x normal damage at expense of 7.4x.
David Hill dude, Astra is so trash in this game. Make me wonder what the hell were thinking lol. You’ll never see me defend 3H Astra
Vicente Sanchez Jr. Path of Radiance Astra was okay, but 3H Astra is a joke. Combat Arts that are both weak and inefficient should be condemned. Intelligent Systems doesn’t know what it’s thinking. 3H Astra is only good for finishing off bosses with style.
David Hill lol tru
I’d be a fan of seeing armor knights
Armor Knight is a depressing class.
The only good armor knights are characters good in spite of the class, never because of it.
It's at the best it's ever been in 3 Houses, because it gives you Armor Knight like bulk, without ever having to actually be one.
The ruination of the class isn't its movement, though, that sucks, but can be worked around.
What ruins the class is speed; every good armor knight has good speed.
The problem with Armor Knights is that they get doubled by everything, meaning they can end up taking MORE damage than the average unit.
Even worse, though, is the "female armor knight" stat trend, which sacrifices defence for speed... but is still too slow to not be doubled, so become some of the frailest units in an army. That's why they aren't even that good on things like boat maps, where you KNOW there is a line for them to hold, but they still take so much damage they can't actually hold it.
Armor knights are probably the worst class in the series. The few good ones like Oswin and Effie are considered the exception, while you have tons of bad examples instead. It's suprisingly useful in FE12 earlygame as Kris does the best while in the armor knight class during the prologue and Arran can stay in it while avoiding getting doubled for a suprisingly long time. It's outclassed later when it's low speed cap becomes detrimental, but it at least has some nieche.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 that woldn't even be that much of a problem. Sedgar for example does not care about being doubled, and it's not like they haven't invented Wary Fighter and quick Riposte(wich should have been Fortress Knight mastery ability, but whatever.)
The actual problem of Armors is that they are balanced around not to be too oppressive as enemies.
Most of the weaknesses of the class stems for the obligatory Armor boss standing on a +4 def + 30 avoid healing throne. All those weknesses are there so you don't have to spend 7 turn slowly chipping away 3 HP at a time againist such enemies. But as FE is a simmetrical game, those things also weight on your own armors, wich very rarely have access to a throne.
I know some people constantly harp on the low movement of armor knights. However, I'd say the low movement would have been forgivable if the other aspects of balancing was handled better for the class outside of that in general.
Oswin, Gilliam, FE10 Gatrie, and Effie exist. However, they are the exception rather than the rule for the class.
Many armor knights feel like they don't have any reliable ways of punishing units wielding armor slaying weapons. In the older games, their defense stat was forcibly capped at 20. In later games, this was increased. But even then this feels like it isn't enough. Especially with many of them essentially having butter fingers in terms of accuracy. In many games, they have to rely on javelins early on for ranged options. Which has been nerfed over time; especially big time in New Mystery, Awakening, and Three Houses. Basically, that means they have no reliable way of counter attacking at ranged in New Mystery and Awakening; especially no thanks to the less than stellar accuracy. Armor knights were made even weaker in Awakening for whatever reason.
Wary Fighter skill was a step in the right direction. But for some bizarre reason, they didn't bring back the skill for them in Three Houses (let alone pointlessly renaming the class).
@@vanjagalovic3621 yea the only time I use generals are in fe 8 mainly because they have the great shield effect. and female generals vs male generals are big different in terms of speed which is a big differents lol
Although catherine is still swordmaster from the start and also I’m surprise that trueblade class didn’t make a comeback in fe three houses
Cool video idea! I'd love to see a video on sorcerers in the future
I liked this kind of video and learned a couple of things from older FE
Assassin is a better end game Sword class if you already have some good combat arts. +1 move and forestwalk at the price of +10 sword crit.
If you don't, Astra is fine. It's not amazing (mostly because of the 9 durability) but it gets the job done.
@Wil E OHKO skills that affect bosses are extremely rare in RPGs tbf.
@Wil E should work like how fe7 was. works everything except someone with an iron rune/fire dragon. rest are just victims
9 Durability is practically nothing in the face of being able to repair a weapon at the start of every fight. By the time you have Astra, you can buy Smithing Stones, which can be used for all the basic weapons (Training, Iron, Steel, Silver). Bring more than one sword and just go nuts. The price to repair is peanuts.
@@WeretigerX True but it adds up considerably over time since most swords have low durability to begin with.
@@g.n.s.153 You can get 4 Astras out of a Silver Sword +, plus 4 extra hits. Bring two of them and that's 8 Astras. Add Steel Sword + and that's a lot more. How many Astras does one unit need to use to complete a map efficiently? I don't see any more than 10 as necessary, even in Maddening Mode.
I have never gotten Edward to slay so effectively as he did Ashera I the video
cant wait to see more
Like the video, but if you plan to do more stuff like this, I think doing multiple takes and using the best parts of each one would make the whole thing a lot better.
I always found swordmaster fun class with a interesting past thanks to good feel,not existing for awhile even though they are one of more popular class and being all over the place in strength of the class.
Sword masters always look cool, but in most games, there are better classes. Also, I really like this style of video! Hope to see more history of classes!
I remember that Astra was pretty OP in Awakening and everyone who had access to Swordmaster could have it. | 3H should have Trueblade as the Lv. 30 Class Option and not Mortal Savant.
4:58 none talking about this? Lol, it reminds me of having 4 astra with Ryoma
Nice vídeo, please do the other classes, i vow for wyvern lord
If I remember correctly, Radiant Dawn's trueblades don't learn Astra but Astrum. Astrum being five hits at full power, I don't think it can crit through, so it's more or less a longer and stronger crit.
Swordmasters usually struggle with mobility and lack of ranged options. But they're great at landing and dodging attacks, making them very good duelists. Their strength is subpar but they crit a lot. Overall very reliant on RNG but this can be pushed far enough to work.
I really liked the Vague Katti in FE9 because it bumps up a Swordmaster's power significantly. Too bad you need S rank in swords to use it.
D&D equivalent of the mymidon-line, Champion Fighters (finesse focused)
Hello I am interested in the mage clase that can be upgraded to sage class which has a long range attack.
Felix always makes a good mortal savant or holy knight for me. swordmaster just seemed to always limit him, but he's always a monster unit.
I've made Felix a War Master, a Mortal Savant, a Bow Knight, and a Hero. He has incredible utility; though its a shame his personal skill doesn't mesh well with Battalions.
Swordmaster is pretty damm good in fe12 on higher difficulties because it gives a ton of speed and enemies are pretty fast
I hope the next FE game just has regular class promotion again . honestly I show up to FE for a strategy game that gets me to think with limited resources that have a name and personality aka a person but when I can just force them into any class I want , I care less about them because they just do whatever you say without resistance
Too bad that Engage took away Mercenary and Assassin, Troubadour class..
6:05 In FE12 Swordmaster is seen as a much better alternative to Sage/Druid because of the much higher speed cap meanwhile The Levin sword has good base might.
Levin sword Wendell lets fucking goooo
I love my classes unit and it's awesome.
I think it'd be cool to see a tier list for the plots of each of the FE games
FE 7 goes at the very bottom.
There's bad writing, then there's FE 7.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290
Seriously? It's not even the worst story in the series. It had a more interesting story than the game that takes place after it; Binding Blade (Idunn is one of the few good things about that game's story). Something going in favor of Blazing Sword's story is that the game encourages the player to go out and quietly uncover important backstory elements. At least with Blazing Sword's story, I am actually interested to know what will happen next. The same could hardly be said about Binding Blade (it doesn't help Binding Blade's story feels like it's just a slightly better retelling of the original Fire Emblem). The only things I would want them to do with a hypothetical Blazing Sword remake; in terms of story, is to tighten up continuity details in regards to how it connects to Binding Blade, add some new information into the story (like why Ephidel couldn't just warp away from the dying fire dragon; unlike Nergal), and add some new scenes to emphasize on some existing story elements.
If you want to talk about a game not doing a perfect job of serving as a continuation of a previous game's story; Radiant Dawn is arguably worse. For example, some of the stuff behind the blood pact hurts Radiant Dawn's story. Then there is Black Knight's infamous explanation in the Japanese version as to how he survived a castle collapsing on him back in Path of Radiance.
Finally; as much as I like Fates Conquest from a gameplay standpoint, its story is way worse.
@@tidepoolclipper8657
Remember that time Nergal explicitly and in his own words came to kidnap Nils, which would satisfy the conditions of his entire plan, actually subdued the party, then gloated and left... without taking Nils?
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Alzheimer's
Pure devil fighter u don't want to mess with
i love it can you do a berserker version pls
Swordmaster is my favorite class un fire emblem, also I think I'm obssesed with that class
Me too, fam. The idea of fragile dodgetank critical hitting soldier is really fun indeed
swordmasters in new mystery are actually good in harder difficulties, since their speedcap is higher and enemies in new mystery have a lot of speed, so it's a good class to avoid being doubled by the end of the midgame/lategame
Rutger is GOD
Nabarl and Athena: good
The rest: (*upgrade*) fuck, go back
Whatever that Valla General 7:10 did in his previous life, no matter how bad it was, does not deserve that amount of punishment.
And they said Nohr the brutal one...
I’d say that they’re really good in Awakening, and even more so in Fates. In Awakening, unless you’re playing on Lunatic/+, Myrmidons and Swordmasters are usually gonna be able to dodge most attacks. And in Fates, Nos tanking isn’t as reliable, so dodge tanking steps up and Swordmasters are some of the best at it. And, Ryoma’s probably the best unit in Fates.
The Blade lord class is close!
I actually constantly use guy in Fire emblem 7
>reclass sage into swordmaster in shadow dragon remake
>give them any magic sword
>???
>profit
I really liked that in fe4 they were insanely strong but then they got nerfed in gba except in fe6
Damn zihark is impressive
1:55 U forgot Lloyd's animation
And now, in fe engage, swordmasters do the anime when they crit
Swordmasters are great in DSFE
So, how good were Swordmasters actually?
Meh.
Typically only good because of a character who would be good in any class, like Rutger or Ryoma.
They aren't BAD, they're just kinda mediocre.
Berserkers in particular make them look bad, though.
They're also fantastic on lower difficulties, where they can hit obscene dodge rates.
And in this video we'll be going over these competitive formats.
For the most part, I usually prefer hero to Swordmaster. I feel like if they had a better class skill and weren't male exclusive in 3H then they'd crap all over Swordmasters.
But honestly, Heroes have way more versatility with their axe usage and the fact that you can become one from either the fighter or merc line. Swordmasters are exclusive to the myrmidon line completely, so that doesn't help them there.
Also, I've noticed in 3H that most of the canon swordmasters (those who have an aptitude for swords) usually have low skill, which is supposed to be one of their best selling points, and instead have high attack instead. Felix, Ingrid and Dorothea are all examples of this.
I think you are looking for someone called Petra and even so most of the time at least until late midgame the majority of crit percent in 3H comes from killer weapons,rings,combat arts,Wrath,personal skills from units or classes like Petra's and batallions and skills. The dex/skill stat doesn't make that much more of a difference until then and that's with units with high or good growths on it like Bernadetta or Leonie for examples. The thing about SW in 3H is that you don't need to be a SW to have very high up to 130% crit rate so what's the only benefit of SW in 3H then? A Better avoid but cheap compared to Pegasus knights and Astra and it isn't that good unless you waste 9 uses of a killer enhanced weapon for it and get at least three crits from it. The thing about SW that doesn't make them an even worst class in 3H is that you can use 1-2-3 ranged weapons outside of your classes even ones being already on the sword weapon type like the Sword of the Creator or the Levin weapons but to do that in other FE game you would have to go Hero. So in other words SW and Hero just suck or aren't that good in 3H at least talking from class benefits because they don't matter that much. Sure,Hero is better than SW in majority of FE games and even in 3H from the Axe experience points alone if you don't want the avoid but at that point if you make someone a Hero or SW in 3H you just make them an Assassin or train to Wyvern or Cavalry classes so both classes aren't that good either. Still It sounds to me like you haven't played that much or finished 3H because you ignored Petra and Catherine and even said the horrible bizarre thought of Dorothea......sure,she has the weapon rank available to level but she's not meant to use Killer weapons,only Levin swords that use her Magic stat which most of the time is horrible or not good enough and that's it without meaning her low af def which at that point you'd even be better doing a SW Bernie with her sword flaw and only 7 def. The only real example you mentioned is Felix, even if Heroes weren't Male lock they wouldn't crap over SW or other classes by the simple thing that they aren't that good a class either in 3H. Remember the two example units i said for Dex stat? Bernie and Leonie? Guess why you usually don't make them a Hero or SW? Because they can easily go into mount type much better classes that's the thing about high dex stat characters in 3H that even so majority of them have right off the bat better options to learn into their ranks than SW or Hero and even if not they are simply better in mounted classes or at least kept much better to the Assassin class.
@@lordsalt7595 I used those who have an aptitude for swords as a foundation. If they have a talent in a certain weapon type, then any class that falls within that category is fair game (hence Dorothea). Also, I have used Petra but she usually does get plenty of skill anyways. Same goes for Catherine. The three I mentioned usually don't get skill.
Also, when it comes to other classes like cavalry and such... It means I have to utilize the lesson courses to teach them the actual movement types. And male units earliest flight class is at C rank, which is why unless they have an aptitude for flight classes, then I don't feel it's necessary to teach it to them.
And I don't care how overpowered they are compared to some other classes, but I don't use lots of Flying units. I just don't like mounted units very much. Bow Knights are the exception since their range is very high. I usually only prefer more foot units. And though it sacrifices movement and tactical, I just like to be more of a baiting person and I just don't feel like Wyverns and Paladins were meant for that.
@@ResurgentRaven I too promoted units to those in which they have an aptitude or talent but after the first time playing with said units of that house whether it be recruiting or replaying their route on Maddening i'd like to go for different options even if It's in their flaws or don't have an aptitude in it. It just feels boring going the same classes again for me since i do and master all the classes where an unit has their aptitude in my first run. I too don't want to have many fliers which is why i balance my units classes even if im going for a Maddening run. What bugged me about Dorothea is that besides her charm stat which can be a dancer while she has the aptitude her Mag stat just outright sucks and it doesn't help getting all my Dorotheas RNG screwed,even with Fiendish blow it isn't close to the slightest of a somehow acceptable Mag stat which is why i always benched her i though you didn't mean Dorothea seriously as an example until i remember Dorothea isn't even a swordmaster when you could of said Catherine. What confused me on your examples is that you used those who have an aptitude in swords for SW examples when they aren't even meant to be canonically SW except Felix. While they have the aptitude to go SW it doesn't mean their bases and growths are meant for the class just that 3H gives you the option to give them that class as long as it isn't gender locked. Have you used Ignatz as an example i'd see sooner,by that logic anyone with good Dex,Str, and Spd growths can be a SW.
While they have an aptitude in swords they aren't canonically swordmasters that was what confused me.
@@lordsalt7595 Oh yeah that wasn't what I meant. Poor choice of words on my part.
Edward my big bro 😍
Pegasus knight please
Can't wait for pegasus knights
Vanessa, Tana, and the OG squad are the best, since they can promote to wyverns, and wyverns are cooler.
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Ironically, the OG squad technically has a branching promotion in Shadow Dragon and New Mystery. However, the ability for them to become Falcon Knights is no longer possible in Shadow Dragon. Thankfully, the item needed for Falcon Knight promotion can be found in-game for New Mystery.
Est has it hard in Shadow Dragon and Mystery/New Mystery in terms of getting enough EXP reliably to reach promotion. However, Shadow of Valentia made it easier to work with her. As for Catria and Palla, they more so shine in book 2, New Mystery, and Shadows of Valentia.
Sheeda is at her best in Shadow Dragon thanks to having access to the Wing Spear (a new addition for that remake). Though, I find her to still be able to hold herself up in New Mystery (despite having stronger competition to deal with).
When it comes to Sacred Stones wyvern knight, there is a glitch players have to be cautious about. Using a short spear or spear and activating pierce has the ability to freeze up the game. Something the developers really needs to fix for a remake one day.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 but trading their lifetime companion with a vile snake is kinda... bad, to be honest.
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Wyverns are good boys (and girls) who want head scratches and belly rubs too.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 as good as they are, they are still vile snakes. you should trade a snake with a snake. don't trade your life companion that accompanying and protecting you for lifetime with a vile snake
You can say notable members for 3 houses, yes everyone can be anything. But the game still tries to nudge you in a 'general' direction.
Just because you can make Lysthia a cavalier, doesent mean it outperforms her 'canon' of mage.
well Ryoma crit over 10 times with 30% chance what the hell
This video is outdated. It needs to be updated for Three Houses and Engage.
I feel like 7 and 8 kinda ruined the impression people had on the class just because of how ok at best they were and how amazing 1-2 weapons are in gba. Ignoring RD’s hand axe 1-2 range really dropped in usefulness as not only were the weapons not as amazing the games typically didn’t make them nearly as common as they were in gba. There were obviously a ton of great 1-2 range weapons post gba (Ragnell Alondite double bow Siegfried etc) but the generics weren’t that impressive. Despite this it’s still kind of a huge stigma that swordmasters can’t be good because they don’t have these weapons even though they’ll kill more enemies on enemy phase typically than a paladin with a javelin because of their poor damage not being off set by 1-2 range.
Swordmasters aren't considered bad because of no 1-2 range in most game. They're considered bad because no mounts or access to warp
Vanja Galović not really. Berserker is that and outside of awakening is generally looked at as a good class. Also horse units are bad in plenty of games (3,5,awakening etc.) it’s literally just not having 1-2 in the games where theyre every where. It’s literally the first thing they mention every time.
@@Neogears1312 Berserker is also in way less games than swordmaster. Berserkers are also bad in FE6 and Dozla is a fairly mediocre unit, with Ross only being decent.
2:26 Blazing Sword made everything less fun to use, in my opinion.
Swordmaster class is a joke in 3H. Astra is useless and inefficient in 3H.
Play feh for de evolution of the swordmaster
Specialists should be balanced with all-rounders. Sadly, specialists are underpowered while all-rounders are overpowered.
The Swordmaster class is underpowered in modern FE titles.
So what games swordmaster is good
FE6. Rutger is one of the best units in the game (only rivaled by Milady and Perceval) and 30% crit is meaty.
He literally said it in the video, Fe6 with rudger especially and Fe11. Swordmaster isn't great in fates, it's just Ryoma being busted.
They also have a decent niche in Fe12.
@Wil E The problem is, Hana and Hinata are very subpar units overall. So it's really Ryoma's stats and the Raijinto carrying him.
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Odin, Corrin (I guess Kana too?) and Xander makes good use of the class line, not gonna lie
@@maverick5169 Swordmaster itself I wouldn't say is that amazing of a class, it's the Samurai tree in general that is what helps make Swordmaster units good. Vantage, Swordfaire, and Life or Death are fantastic skills under any circumstance, and Duelist's Blow, Seal Strength, and Astra are pretty neat and can come in handy on a few occasions.
Swordmaster Odin is a fine unit, but Conquest has a ton of sword users and money is pretty tight so keeping every potential sword character decked out in good equipment can be more trouble than its worth, and Odin tends to fall to the way side in that regard. Sorcerer Odin with Samurai skills, though? Nigh-on unkillable with proper use of Guard Stance and the busted af Vantage + Nosferatu combo that only Odin and his daughter can properly use without extra supports.
Swordmaster is always a frustrating class. It's incredibly cool and flashy, but it's only a really good class in FE6. It's decent in FE5, FE10, FE12 and Fates, but completely terrible in every other game. It just shows how dominant high movement, canto and 1-2 range is that classes like swordmaster simply aren't viable.
FE4 SMs (Ayra, Larcei/Lakche, Shannan) are good too..... if they can reach the enemy, that is.
To be honest, FE6 SMs get every every significant advantage they should have compare to every other class (better speed, better dodge rate, better accuracy, high critical) for everything they give up (durability, a bit of mobility, weapon triangle control for being sword-locked, arguably range-counter/1-2 range) since in FE6, most weapon other than sword and light magic has accuracy issue (even worse for axe and dark magic) and SM's high speed makes the issue even worse for enemy, which makes SMs reliable dodge-tank even capable to dodge-tanking lance user enemies.
I think the reason SM becomes bad in those game you mention is because the meta of the game and Int. System's unwillingness to make sword symmetrical with other weapon rather than SM's inherent flaws.
For example, in FE11, if Int. System not spamming cavaliers with lance and knights (obviously with lance), then SM would be better. Let's say rather than spamming cav and knights, IS spammed fighter and pirate instead, then SM would be much much better.
Another example is FE4. Ayra and Larcei (particularly Larcei if his father is Chulainn/Holyn) can make the game looks like Dynasty Warriors game but to massacre as many as possible, they need to reach the enemy, which is a problem thanks to their limited mobility. If FE4 map size were as big (or as small, if you prefer) as, let's say, FE5, then SM would became significantly better.
@@christianalbertjahns2577 The problem with swordmasters aren't swords spesifically, at least not always. Swords are the best weapon type in FE 1 to 6 and in SoV, but it's quality varies in other games. I think that Int. Systems didn't realize how dominant 1-2 range would be in a lot of their games which makes sword users suffer and the game that introduced 1-2 range swords, FE10, made them suck. The greatest problem for swords is the often high quantity of axe enemies and low enemy quality making their high accuracy useless and their low might detrimental. However swordmasters aren't a bad class most of the time because of this, no they're bad because no mount and no staves. IS just doesn't seem to be capable of balancing mounted units, as evidence by 3H, and the one game they heavely nerfed mounted units, FE5, they made staves so broken that they break the game in half. FE6 swordmasters are only really good because Rutger and Fir have much better combat than most of your mounted units and FE6 boasts both high enemy quantity and quality that their low movement is forgivable.
@@vanjagalovic3621 I have things to say about what you said.
First, I don't think great number of axe enemies really makes SM bad, in fact it makes SM good since it means SMs would be in weapon triangle advantage most of the time. Sure those axe enemies are slow and inaccurate that almost everyone can hit, dodge, and double hit them but that means other unit can get the job done as good (or sometimes better, due to higher strength and durability) and less risky. It doesn't make SM bad since they can get the job done. What makes SM bad is mostly because lance enemies are everywhere. They are accurate enough to hit SM and SMs are frail enough to receive significant damage and weak enough not to deal enough damage (even with crit). Lack of (good) 1-2 weapon only make it worse for them.
Speaking of 1-2 range, I think FE12 handles it better. FE12 makes it clear that the only purpose of 1-2 range physical weapon is to give opportunity to counter 2 range attack. Javelin and hand axe are weaker and have worse accuracy than iron lance and iron axe, respectively (and iron weapons aren't strong enough in FE12). Their stronger counterpart (spear and tomahawk) are only accessible to enemies. Gradivus is quite powerful but it only has 20-25 uses (I forget its exact use) and it was previously equipped by Hardin, which reduced its use the time player get it from him. Levin Sword is magic weapon but only physical unit (that has abysmal magic stat, most probably) can equip it. Classical magic weapons, however, are as broken as they are in other games.
@@christianalbertjahns2577 Actually, the Levin sword is really good in FE12 as you can reclass Katarina and Linde into swordmasters and they won't lose a lot of magic going into said class so they can deal a lot of magic damage, while also doubling which is very rare in FE12.
forgot to mention Byleth from DLC chapters PSSHHHH disliked
Don’t use Astra in 3H (except as a last resort). It’s unviable and extremely inefficient in that game. It’s the least efficient Combat Art in the game. It should be renamed Night Sky because of that. Most sword Combat Arts are useless and inefficient anyway.
I agree about Astra I but there are quite a few good sword combat arts in 3H. Wrath Strike, Hexblade/Soulblade, and Windsweep are some good examples.
SolunaPiano Even Assassinate is more efficient than Astra. Astra is a last-resort Combat Art. Maybe there should be an item that can at least temporarily increase the power and efficiency of Combat Arts.
@@davidhill8565 There's no need for that. They just need to make Astra and some other combat arts better. They've proven that they can give classes good mastery arts/skills such as Hunter's Volley and Fierce Iron Fist. Just buff Astra's damage and reduce the usage cost to 5 or 6 at most.
SolunaPiano Yes, If a Combat Art should only be used as a last resort, it should be buffed.
SolunaPiano The second sentence could’ve been said more clearly: “The developers need to make Astra and some other Combat Arts more worth using.”
Catherine is the worst sword master ever. misses 4x times with a holy weapon. useless.
That's like one specific scenario. If u would like to make a case of her having bad hit rates u have to do multiple runs to not get RNG-screwed and maybe state her hit rates instead of complaining that she missed 4 times in a row.
Not sure but sounds that much forced and illogical that this could be a joke even if there is nothing funny at all
Sounds like your Catherine turned into a living joke....did you recruit and set her properly early? She's decent to good or great depending the fastest you got your hands on her and trained her. Did you even at least gave her an accuracy ring? Was she underleveled? Were you playing Maddening where hit rates can become poor? Sounds like a-you problem, even with her 5 movement she still carried a good chunk of my church,GD and BL runs even taking a very big role into damaging the tankiest Boss in the game who shall not be named for spoiler reasons with 80% damage reduction and over 100hp and much more per health bar. If she's not good enough for you get her skills like Hit+20 from Archer,Death blow from Brigand and Vantage from Mercenary or get skills trained to her from the units of other players while training her weapon and mount type ranks early and she's a wonder in the Assassin or Flier classes completely worth it. PD:No, it's not a holy weapon, it's a relic.