@@gilgalad6948 It wasnt necessarily about loyalty even tho Im sure they were loyal men. It was mostly about winter. Those men chose to leave their homes to head south looking for battle in the hopes they could die warrior's deaths and not be burdens to their northern families during a long and brutal winter. They quite literally went looking for death.
It is reasonable to point out to anyone who are raging over Cregan Stark's decision to execute King Aegon II's killers is that the Starks and most of the North value honour and each other to get through the harsh winters. They are more isolated and rule a harsh land. Cregan supported Rhaenyra and now her son Aegon. Cregan, and like his descendent Ned Stark, see things black and white not the shades of grey in Kings Landing. Corys, Larys and Ser Perkin may have just prevented a king who would've fanned the remaining embers of war. But Cregan is not going to see that.
This black and white way of seeing things ends up being one of the greatness weaknesses of house Stark, they were too predictable and easy to manipulate and were almost all extinct as of course shown during GoT events.
@@alvaromneto It was an obvious weakness and yet at the same time a huge strength too. The north remembers. Do you think the north would treat the demise of house Bolton the same as they do with the starks? Your enemies can abuse your Honor but your allies will remember it too.
So many things are missing from this analysis. It does a huge disservice to Cregan's character. Was it all about "honour " ? Or rather that they were simply breaking the law. The whole purpose was to clear enough corruption from the court so as to secure Aegon III's regime. After all, what kind of precedent would poisoning a King set ? What Corlys, Larys & etc did may have prevented an immediate war and yet nursed the right conditions for a future one. This comment on reddit sums it up: -"His point was to prevent future war by ensuring a more stable and righteous government. A system founded on murder, backstabbing, and poisoning lacks the legitimacy necessary to prevent future mayhem. He never claimed nor aimed to purge all corruption from Westerosi politics, only create a stable black-led government that will ensure a prosperous peacetime."
Cregan is very honorable and loyal to the Blacks. I like him, and once House of the Dragon introduces him, he'll be one of my favorite characters in the show!
And yet, Cregan's actions were the vehicle in which peace was restored. Had the remaining Greens refused Corlys' peace offer, the war would've continued regardless. Not to mention Corlys' actions at court (eg. the poisoning) may have brought future instability to the realm. As to who was the "wiser one"; That's entirely debatable.
Lord Cregan Stark, the embodiment of stern, northern leadership. Cregan wanted to continue the war and root out the houses of all traitors, but his actions and methods are justified, since there was no authority, honor or discipline in King's Landing. He wanted to get rid of those ambitious traitors and oathbreakers eventually gave the realm it's long yearned peace, restored the order, put some fear in the hearts of lords and commons alike and settled the matter for good. He came all the way from north with his host and accompanied by the armies and knights of Vale and Riverlands and found out that his queen was long dead and the king was killed by traitors. Oaths were just winds for those who held no Gods. They said, the matter is solved, you can go back, but it was the hour of the wolf. One by one heads rolled on, the ice saw the business pretty well, each day harsher than the other, the last day he became Aegon's Hand since there was no honor among men and never agreed to leave without the promise of a maiden's hand.
@buzzkill36 No, that would've been worse. Especially Oldtown, seeing as to how the Hightowers have managed the most well advanced city in the realm for millenia, centuries before the Starks were a thing. He would've continued the Dance and slain many more people if he tried to take the likes of Storm's End alone, not to mention Casterly Rock, and the powers of Oldtown...
Imagine creggan fighting lannister in game of thrones instead of robb they wouldnt have lost pathetically and wouldve won against the lannister no doubt
Love me some House Stark this dialogue is bad ass. You gotta love the north they have there own way of doing justice.The south has there way of doing thing but North does things there way.
I dont know the actor looks Young i Guess would be the season 4 ? 3 is Rhaenyra reign 4 would be Aegon Returns ? I mean depends if they spend time in characters like Viserys 2 I would go that rute to make the series a good ending by talking about this chapter in 1 or 2 episodes
No no no! Where’s the next video!? I wanna hear about the Hour of the Wolf! Dammit I’m gonna have to go grab my copy of the book an reread all of this! Lol great videos man. Keep it up
Thanks for the video. Well, I do not believe the dance was over at all. The battle and bloodshed, yes. But, as the dance started with crows, treachery, and ink, it could end the same way. I really like Corlys Seasnake, but boy, he was old and hardly the same kind of strong support as before. So, in my opinion, Cregan's host put a lot of muscle in Aegon's claim. He also did not have any commitment to unfaithful Larys Strong and the kinds as Lord Peake. It's something like a warning: "Beware, unworthy scum, for I am the wolf, and I do not melt here in kings landing. Don't mess with my boy Aegon". In a sour, loyal dull northern way. I still like him a lot. Not as much as Benjicot, Alys and Corlys, but quite.
@@WorldOfWesteros I think they said 4 seasons which isn't too bad. The thing about the Targaryen family is they can keep the same name just hop back and forth to different time lines within the 300 years of the time on the throne
I feel Ned is not that Stark because he kept the secret of Jon, never use violence against the Lannisters and he "confess" as his last action Is like Robb and Ned had coming breaking them OWN Codes of honor of Starks
Cregan army was well armed and trained personally by him and his men. Robb did no such thing. Also cregan’a army was larger than robb by good amount. Also, since it was autumn, cregan also had to make provisions for food to be distributed to all the small folk and other lords which is a duity all stark lords had to complete but robb completely forgot about that when he marched during autumn
@@daniellogan8355 no they didn’t. They marched during autumn while robb stark forgot the main duity of a lord stark make sure he provides enough food, goods to people he rules so that they can survive upcoming winter
Winter was approaching and so it was no time to reduce the north of its able bodied men and the heirs to their great houses. Cregan took care to conscript all the old men, unwed, homeless, childless and younger sons that stood to not inherit anything. He meant to march on Casterly rock, Oldtown and Storm's end. Dealing out justice to all. A vastly more ambitious campaign that required a lot of manpower and so he needed the years to gather supplies and train this army. Rob called his bannermen, the knights and footmen who train year around. While enough to defend the north, it was never enough for a lengthy campaign. Any siege of a major city like Casterly rock would've liked broken Rob's army.
2nd time watching all house of the dragon lore. Again ill next ne starting from aegons conquest full playlist. Then watching up to finish here and watching the rest leading up to Song Of zice and fire
All due respect to Cregan, he was a good politician and had charisma etc. but I do think even with winter etc. he could have marched earlier. Yes, he still marched when Rhaenyra was dead already but also dragons were out of picture and he had little to lose. If Lads had been defeated by Borras Baratheon, then probably Aegon III would be executed in King’s Landing and he could easily bend the knee and say that since there is no successor to Rhaenyra, Aegon II is the true king. And he would have been pardoned as who the fuck would march IN WINTER on Winterfell deep in the North. Without dragons in picture he could have even proclaimed himself the King in the North or new King of Winter and fuck off back. But since Lads won, he had free passage to the capital city. And he didn’t overstay his welcome there too, sure he did some stuff but the “Hour of the Wolf” sounds much more badass than what he did actually. His march was a brilliant move and no wonder people love him, but ultimately it kinda smells more like a PR thing to the North to me. Lads did the heavy lifting. I mean if they did not crush the Baratheon host, even when Cregan and Arryn lady arrived, what would they do? They would have gotten rid of Aegon III in King’s Landing and other houses would make prace as there was a king on throne and Rhaenyra’s claim was over. One battle actually decided it all.
You do understand that with 2000 men only Grey beards willing to die… he put the Lannister Army out of the game right ?? and they even caused more damage after that… So yes he was instrumental, The North men were instrumental . Without them Larys and a few other people who needed to GO! Probably would have lived and with them their scheming …
My favourite moment is when Cregan Stark burst into the room and said "Stark blood runs through my veins! I am the rightful heir of the Stark industries!"
I Hope they explain how Starks are farming 2 years In fact would be cool if they just add with a crow phone "well Stark is fighting in the Wall he can't take messages try later" Because It feels kinda Dumb the wait of TWO YEARS until War when Robb was quicker 😂
But thanks to him it was Rhae's bloodline who gets to sit on the Iron Throne for the years to come it just kinda sucks that the Blackfyres were also her descendants.
@Jay So what if it was? The whole point of the Dance of the Dragon is not just about who gets to sit on the Iron Throne but also whose bloodline gets to hold the Iron Throne for a very long time and no matter how much Rhae's name has been stained or hated by her own descendants this doesnt ignore the fact that it was her own blood that the next Targaryen Kings carry on the Iron Throne as they own the 7 Kingdoms of Westeros and as long as the Targaryens who came after her live on including the Blackfyres and by extension the Baratheons since Robert's grandmother is a Targaryen so is Rhaenyra's blood. A fact that not even the Laws of Men can never change no matter how much everyone denies it not even her own scions. As a matter of fact, in some ways, this is a kind of legacy that Tywin had been chasing, a blood line that would last for many many years, which us why he has been trying to convince Jaime to cast aside the White Cloak.
@Jay Again so what if it was? This still doesnt ignore the fact that the next Targaryen Kings who gets to owe the Iron Throne were of Rhaenyra's descendants.
@@captainvalourous6668 that explains the eventual downfall of the targshits then 😂😂😂 The whore of dragonstone must be proud in hell to see that her last descendants get either a. Death by molten lava from a barbarian or b. Get hammered by chad robert Baratheon who has the same blood as boros Baratheon or C. See Daenerys get stabbed by jon. Must be really happy that her descendants survived. 😏 Oh and i forgot. See the mad king aerys get stabbed to death by Jaime Lannister who has the same blood as Jason Lannister.
2000 winter wolves won three main battles. Without a hand Roddy the Ruin killed both hightowers at tumbleton. They knew the ferocity of North man. Daenerys was wrong. In 131 A C Cregan Stark gave Aegon 3 the Iron throne.
It is always been the stark who made all these wars came to an end just like what happened on GOT. I wonder, Starks maybe really have a Targaryen blood since the very beginning.
No, Starks have old Blood with warg powers and greenseer powers Kinda KINDA like Targaryens except they can't control the Dragons you know they are bounded And they prophecy is only in dreams, like greenseers ?
i've got a video coming out next week where i've picked out some key things from the new trailer that caught my attention and the implication in terms of lore
@Morfe02 Uh, no he doesn't. Cretan wants to take the war to every Green stronghold even if they are only ruled by children. And seems perfectly fine with murking then. He is sociopathic. That sounds like something Joffrey would do.
In his view despite the fact he was team Rhaenerya he still views the whole plot to kill Aegon as treasonous and without honour. Thereby arresting Alicent was part of that treason
i wouldn’t necessarily say he executed them, more arrested them and offer them to take the black or die. Larys wanted to die rather than being a night watch
Do you lot believe the show will end here. I seriously doubt they will adapt any of the regency period, seeing as we are not getting as many seasons as GOT.
I love the parallels between the main series and the dance. Where Ned comes down with his northern honor and justice and is destroyed and humiliated. Cregan came down and took over as the hour of the wolf began
Ned didnt come with host of men that had nothing to lost, they either home after plundered the south or died like their ancestors before, luckily widows fair happen.
Ya know, Cregan may have killed off some of the more treacherous people's in King's Landing but, his plans for more war was foolish. Seems like Lord Cregan was high off his "honor", too blind to see how his actions would've led to more bloodshed. War was already over, he wanted to keep it going. He didn't have the means to deal with the likes of Casterly Rock, Storm's End and then Oldtown
Why do people praise Cregan? He did nothing the entire war other than send the Winter Wolves. I don't think he's honorable but Machiavellian. It's extremely convenient that his army was so well preserved considering they came to the fight so late. It's almost like he purposely intended to make his move now.
He really did set off late on purpose. It's either that or the north would starve during the winter as what happened to the Karstark's holdings in GOT time. He went back to the north with greatly reduced host though. As stated here, they marched with the full intention of either having an honorble dead or plunders to support them through the winter, denied both, majority did not go back with Cregan but instead found employment/ widow to marry in the south.
I hate cregan stark. Dude waited 2 years untill everyone worth fighting and then marches down and acts like a badass. Everyone else thinks hes amazing and i just think hes an opportunistic scavenger. No better than the freys or ironborn. The north constantly moaning about winter yet never leaving the coldest part of westeros should be a meme by now.
Unnecessary as fuc. Cregan is really mad that Corlys killed their enemy Aegon II with poison? His logic is so terrible he just sounds like a bloodthirsty tyrant. Would it have been better if Corlys killed the crippled Aegon in a duel or just imprisoned him?
Because you normalise using poison if you let it slide. Like how the red wedding caused the end of the guest right in the main series and even loyalists were calling to execute some Freys even though it saved the lannisters so many lives.
Exactly the north remember as Randall Tarly said we’re not schemers we don’t cut are friend throat at weddings a cheap win for the Lannisters. That why no one respect Rose Bolton as the warden in the north a turn coat.
@@hhhggbg3000 Nah he’s acting like Coryls is a kingsguard. His logic is terrible it’s the duty of every lord to make sure they have actually have a sane king in power.
I do not take Cregan at his word about the "old, homeless and unwanted" marching down south. It's simply not true, what would be said of all the Knights and lords who came with the Warden of the North himself? All the countless thousands of farmers, smiths, miners, builders who were essential to Northern society? No, this was a very shrewd, politic thing of Lord Cregan, a threat even. "My poor country has expended much in a time of great need to fight this war, we shall not go home empty-handed with no plunder or conditions from the Throne for our succor and support in the coming winter." Stark himself was quite shrewd, he had to be. He negotiated with Prince Jacaerys and upset the coup of his uncle Bernar. He knew that by seizing power, even temporarily he could curry royal support that would see the North through the winter.
The Starks are actually shit scared of dragons when u think about it 😂 waited for them all to die then marched in like they own the place (I mean everyone is shit scared of them but a lot still faced them in battle and were BBQ’d for their efforts)
What's interesting about Cregan Stark is that everyone sees him as a great charismatic warrior, while everything about his actions shows the opposite : a coward and a blusterer. Come on, the guy waited for the dragons to die, then he managed to arrive after the fights, then he vainly threatened Aegon's former allies to continue the war knowing that he would have had no chance of prevail, then he condemns Corlys Velaryon to death but gives up as soon as Alyn Velaryon threatens him to come to King's Landing, then he renounces his position as Hand of the King and leaves Tyland Lannister to rule the kingdom. In the end, the guy did absolutely nothing. Probably the most vain, swaggering and cowardly character of the whole war...
Kermit Tully: Half your men will die, Lord Stark.
Cregan Stark: They died the day we marched, boy.
Well, they are loyal ngl.
Benjicot blackwood said that
@@gilgalad6948 It wasnt necessarily about loyalty even tho Im sure they were loyal men. It was mostly about winter. Those men chose to leave their homes to head south looking for battle in the hopes they could die warrior's deaths and not be burdens to their northern families during a long and brutal winter. They quite literally went looking for death.
And lo and behold, the host both had some expiring veterans and eager fighters to repopulate some settlements and castles
@@samiam1059 You know shit just got real when Bloody Ben got intimidated by Northmen 😂
I loved the part when cregan stark said "its starking time" truly one of the best moments
Haha What’s the original film that “it’s ….img time” is from?
@@Liam-in1gs a meme from the movie Morbius
Ohhhhh no your grace I’m gonna STARK
and then he starked all over them
@@Liam-in1gs Power Rangers lol..."It's morphin time."
It is reasonable to point out to anyone who are raging over Cregan Stark's decision to execute King Aegon II's killers is that the Starks and most of the North value honour and each other to get through the harsh winters. They are more isolated and rule a harsh land. Cregan supported Rhaenyra and now her son Aegon.
Cregan, and like his descendent Ned Stark, see things black and white not the shades of grey in Kings Landing. Corys, Larys and Ser Perkin may have just prevented a king who would've fanned the remaining embers of war. But Cregan is not going to see that.
This analysis is spot on
Grey eyes which never saw the greys of the world.
This black and white way of seeing things ends up being one of the greatness weaknesses of house Stark, they were too predictable and easy to manipulate and were almost all extinct as of course shown during GoT events.
@@alvaromneto It was an obvious weakness and yet at the same time a huge strength too. The north remembers. Do you think the north would treat the demise of house Bolton the same as they do with the starks? Your enemies can abuse your Honor but your allies will remember it too.
So many things are missing from this analysis. It does a huge disservice to Cregan's character. Was it all about "honour " ? Or rather that they were simply breaking the law. The whole purpose was to clear enough corruption from the court so as to secure Aegon III's regime. After all, what kind of precedent would poisoning a King set ? What Corlys, Larys & etc did may have prevented an immediate war and yet nursed the right conditions for a future one. This comment on reddit sums it up: -"His point was to prevent future war by ensuring a more stable and righteous government. A system founded on murder, backstabbing, and poisoning lacks the legitimacy necessary to prevent future mayhem. He never claimed nor aimed to purge all corruption from Westerosi politics, only create a stable black-led government that will ensure a prosperous peacetime."
Cregan is very honorable and loyal to the Blacks. I like him, and once House of the Dragon introduces him, he'll be one of my favorite characters in the show!
Same
He is a Moron
He looks Young i Guess we are going to see a 30 years old Wolf
Because he is the Age of Jace 20 ? 18 ?
Cregan is 23 in the dance
@@aidanhendricksen4832 21 at the start, 23 by the time he arrives at KL
Cregan Stark is so badass even Corlys could not handle him.
As much as Cregan was a badass Corlys was the wiser one, whose policies during the false dawn brought actual peace and end to Civil War.
Totally agree
Cregan the warrior and coryls the father.
he was a craven
@@ka.a5865 Neither of them where, they just had different perspectives.
And yet, Cregan's actions were the vehicle in which peace was restored. Had the remaining Greens refused Corlys' peace offer, the war would've continued regardless. Not to mention Corlys' actions at court (eg. the poisoning) may have brought future instability to the realm. As to who was the "wiser one"; That's entirely debatable.
Wow the lines are strong but I'm waiting for Cregan to say "it's Starking time"
Lord Cregan Stark, the embodiment of stern, northern leadership. Cregan wanted to continue the war and root out the houses of all traitors, but his actions and methods are justified, since there was no authority, honor or discipline in King's Landing. He wanted to get rid of those ambitious traitors and oathbreakers eventually gave the realm it's long yearned peace, restored the order, put some fear in the hearts of lords and commons alike and settled the matter for good. He came all the way from north with his host and accompanied by the armies and knights of Vale and Riverlands and found out that his queen was long dead and the king was killed by traitors. Oaths were just winds for those who held no Gods. They said, the matter is solved, you can go back, but it was the hour of the wolf. One by one heads rolled on, the ice saw the business pretty well, each day harsher than the other, the last day he became Aegon's Hand since there was no honor among men and never agreed to leave without the promise of a maiden's hand.
He was a Chad...Boy would I have loved if Aegon allowed him to crush Oldtown Lannisport and even Storm's end once and for all...
He literally screwed over everyone after Aegon II died he did another political cleansing
@buzzkill36
No, that would've been worse. Especially Oldtown, seeing as to how the Hightowers have managed the most well advanced city in the realm for millenia, centuries before the Starks were a thing.
He would've continued the Dance and slain many more people if he tried to take the likes of Storm's End alone, not to mention Casterly Rock, and the powers of Oldtown...
Cregan would've led to disaster if he had his way... just saying
Imagine creggan fighting lannister in game of thrones instead of robb they wouldnt have lost pathetically and wouldve won against the lannister no doubt
I wish Cregan would have stayed with Aegon III. No one would have taken advantage of him that way, specially Unwin Peake.
Love me some House Stark this dialogue is bad ass. You gotta love the north they have there own way of doing justice.The south has there way of doing thing but North does things there way.
it's a very good demostrightsion of the culture difference between north and south
Cregan sounds more like Stannis then Ned. Let the treasonous rabble beware, lickspittles, cravens and serpents get what they deserve.
If this makes it to the show then it's going to be one of the most epic moments in the GOT franchise (not talking about the books).
I would say it would be the second to last episode after rhaneryas death and the episode would definitely be called hour or the wolf
They will probably make it about the white walkers
I dont know the actor looks Young i Guess would be the season 4 ?
3 is Rhaenyra reign
4 would be Aegon Returns ? I mean depends if they spend time in characters like Viserys 2
I would go that rute to make the series a good ending by talking about this chapter in 1 or 2 episodes
In Westeros the Starks are indeed the best ally you could ever have.
No no no! Where’s the next video!? I wanna hear about the Hour of the Wolf! Dammit I’m gonna have to go grab my copy of the book an reread all of this! Lol great videos man. Keep it up
Hour of the wolf is definitely coming soon. A lot more happened between Aegon's death and the hour of the wolf than it seems
Thanks for the video.
Well, I do not believe the dance was over at all. The battle and bloodshed, yes. But, as the dance started with crows, treachery, and ink, it could end the same way. I really like Corlys Seasnake, but boy, he was old and hardly the same kind of strong support as before.
So, in my opinion, Cregan's host put a lot of muscle in Aegon's claim. He also did not have any commitment to unfaithful Larys Strong and the kinds as Lord Peake. It's something like a warning: "Beware, unworthy scum, for I am the wolf, and I do not melt here in kings landing. Don't mess with my boy Aegon". In a sour, loyal dull northern way.
I still like him a lot. Not as much as Benjicot, Alys and Corlys, but quite.
Your analysis is spot on honestly
- Half your man will die!!!???
- Yes
Cregan Stark: Winter is coming. And I am the winter who comes.
That sounded wrong.
I hope we get to see till the end of the Dance and passed Aegon III into the first year of his Reign
I suspect we will a bit, how far though I’m not sure
@@WorldOfWesteros I think they said 4 seasons which isn't too bad. The thing about the Targaryen family is they can keep the same name just hop back and forth to different time lines within the 300 years of the time on the throne
2:49 "The north remembers" 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Cant wait to see how the show portrays The Hour of the Wolf!
Already fucked it up....Cregan looks green as summer grass....
Wow so Cregan saw through the bullsht in Kings Landing that Ned didn't.
I feel Ned is not that Stark because he kept the secret of Jon, never use violence against the Lannisters and he "confess" as his last action
Is like Robb and Ned had coming breaking them OWN Codes of honor of Starks
As soon as I heard that he could wield Ice I wanted to know more about him
If it took Cregan two years to assemble and march his army south how did Rob do it so quickly?
Rob called his banners + marched during summer (or at least, that would be my way of justifying it)
Rob used uber dude
Cregan army was well armed and trained personally by him and his men. Robb did no such thing. Also cregan’a army was larger than robb by good amount. Also, since it was autumn, cregan also had to make provisions for food to be distributed to all the small folk and other lords which is a duity all stark lords had to complete but robb completely forgot about that when he marched during autumn
@@daniellogan8355 no they didn’t. They marched during autumn while robb stark forgot the main duity of a lord stark make sure he provides enough food, goods to people he rules so that they can survive upcoming winter
Winter was approaching and so it was no time to reduce the north of its able bodied men and the heirs to their great houses. Cregan took care to conscript all the old men, unwed, homeless, childless and younger sons that stood to not inherit anything. He meant to march on Casterly rock, Oldtown and Storm's end. Dealing out justice to all. A vastly more ambitious campaign that required a lot of manpower and so he needed the years to gather supplies and train this army.
Rob called his bannermen, the knights and footmen who train year around. While enough to defend the north, it was never enough for a lengthy campaign. Any siege of a major city like Casterly rock would've liked broken Rob's army.
Imagine tywin and cregan face each other
2nd time watching all house of the dragon lore. Again ill next ne starting from aegons conquest full playlist. Then watching up to finish here and watching the rest leading up to Song Of zice and fire
Well put and detailed information well done appreciate the time it took to make it good and love the artwork
Cregan Stark’s first wife was a Norrey of the northern mountain clans and gave him 2 sons. Cregan was a Stark’s Stark.
*son. cregan only had one child with arra norrey, Rickon Stark.
@@honeypie8266 Ha! You’re right - I stand corrected 🐺 one wolf not two.
All due respect to Cregan, he was a good politician and had charisma etc. but I do think even with winter etc. he could have marched earlier. Yes, he still marched when Rhaenyra was dead already but also dragons were out of picture and he had little to lose. If Lads had been defeated by Borras Baratheon, then probably Aegon III would be executed in King’s Landing and he could easily bend the knee and say that since there is no successor to Rhaenyra, Aegon II is the true king. And he would have been pardoned as who the fuck would march IN WINTER on Winterfell deep in the North. Without dragons in picture he could have even proclaimed himself the King in the North or new King of Winter and fuck off back. But since Lads won, he had free passage to the capital city. And he didn’t overstay his welcome there too, sure he did some stuff but the “Hour of the Wolf” sounds much more badass than what he did actually.
His march was a brilliant move and no wonder people love him, but ultimately it kinda smells more like a PR thing to the North to me.
Lads did the heavy lifting. I mean if they did not crush the Baratheon host, even when Cregan and Arryn lady arrived, what would they do? They would have gotten rid of Aegon III in King’s Landing and other houses would make prace as there was a king on throne and Rhaenyra’s claim was over. One battle actually decided it all.
You do understand that with 2000 men only Grey beards willing to die… he put the Lannister Army out of the game right ?? and they even caused more damage after that…
So yes he was instrumental, The North men were instrumental . Without them Larys and a few other people who needed to GO! Probably would have lived and with them their scheming …
My favourite moment is when Cregan Stark burst into the room and said "Stark blood runs through my veins! I am the rightful heir of the Stark industries!"
2:26 Damnit Eustace, enough with your bias against the old gods!
Well done. Subbed for more.
I predict the Season 1 Finale of HotD will end with a shot of Winterfell, foreshadowing the eventual role of the Starks.
Unfortunately no
@@sbakernyc5761 true. Maybe the cold open of Season 2 :)
I Hope they explain how Starks are farming 2 years
In fact would be cool if they just add with a crow phone "well Stark is fighting in the Wall he can't take messages try later"
Because It feels kinda Dumb the wait of TWO YEARS until War when Robb was quicker 😂
How do you scare someone who wants to die? 👀 Winter Wolves
Cregan took forever to arrive. By the time he did Aegon already killed Rhaenyra
But thanks to him it was Rhae's bloodline who gets to sit on the Iron Throne for the years to come it just kinda sucks that the Blackfyres were also her descendants.
@Jay
So what if it was? The whole point of the Dance of the Dragon is not just about who gets to sit on the Iron Throne but also whose bloodline gets to hold the Iron Throne for a very long time and no matter how much Rhae's name has been stained or hated by her own descendants this doesnt ignore the fact that it was her own blood that the next Targaryen Kings carry on the Iron Throne as they own the 7 Kingdoms of Westeros and as long as the Targaryens who came after her live on including the Blackfyres and by extension the Baratheons since Robert's grandmother is a Targaryen so is Rhaenyra's blood. A fact that not even the Laws of Men can never change no matter how much everyone denies it not even her own scions.
As a matter of fact, in some ways, this is a kind of legacy that Tywin had been chasing, a blood line that would last for many many years, which us why he has been trying to convince Jaime to cast aside the White Cloak.
@Jay
Again so what if it was? This still doesnt ignore the fact that the next Targaryen Kings who gets to owe the Iron Throne were of Rhaenyra's descendants.
@@captainvalourous6668 that explains the eventual downfall of the targshits then 😂😂😂
The whore of dragonstone must be proud in hell to see that her last descendants get either a. Death by molten lava from a barbarian or b. Get hammered by chad robert Baratheon who has the same blood as boros Baratheon or C. See Daenerys get stabbed by jon.
Must be really happy that her descendants survived. 😏
Oh and i forgot. See the mad king aerys get stabbed to death by Jaime Lannister who has the same blood as Jason Lannister.
@@samiam1059
Dont forget the Blackfyres unless we get to see one of its surviving descendants in the SNOW series 🥲
You need to number these in sequence.
2000 winter wolves won three main battles. Without a hand Roddy the Ruin killed both hightowers at tumbleton. They knew the ferocity of North man. Daenerys was wrong. In 131 A C Cregan Stark gave Aegon 3 the Iron throne.
Cregan stark at 23 made the sea snake fold
The shades of grey in king's landing means nothing to the Starks, there is right and there is wrong, period.
It is always been the stark who made all these wars came to an end just like what happened on GOT. I wonder, Starks maybe really have a Targaryen blood since the very beginning.
Bruh...Imagine a Targaryen-Stark Alliance
@@buzzkill36 that would be epic
No, Starks have old Blood with warg powers and greenseer powers
Kinda KINDA like Targaryens except they can't control the Dragons you know they are bounded
And they prophecy is only in dreams, like greenseers ?
Bro, you forgot to add your previous video to your Dance of the Dragons playlist
Thanks for letting me know.
First and you gonna do a break down on the new trailer?
Maybe not a full breakdown but i plan on picking out some interesting details i want to talk about lore wise
@@WorldOfWesteros sounds great I'll be waiting
War ..mass murder by dragon...poison.. betrayal... madness....
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All starks care about is -- Honour.....
Cregan real plan is to get all the widows he can for his army
Truly a player of the game of thrones 😂😂😂
Can you do lore on essos and rholor and red priests ect
To all the Rhaenyra simps crying like babies in the comments- your tears are my sustenance.
Lol mushroom said they worship trees and honestly I’ve never thought about the old gods that way. But yeah the northerners kinda worship trees.
It took you this long to notice that? No hate her but that’s the northern religion
@@DavidCarradinesBelt I mean I’m catholic and pray to saints but I don’t worship saints. I thought it was something like that
Cregan Stark never had the makings of a varsity athlete.
What are you talking about? Stand up guys like that, they're a dying breed.
Breakdown and thoughts on the new trailer?
i've got a video coming out next week where i've picked out some key things from the new trailer that caught my attention and the implication in terms of lore
I like the Starks and all, but damn Cretan just sounds crazy
It goes to show how even Stark can interpret honour in different ways
He not a crazy he is a righteous stark who can not let the chaos that is happening in the seven kingdom continue
No, even Ned thinks like him about traitors except the part when he wants to behead people
@Morfe02 Uh, no he doesn't. Cretan wants to take the war to every Green stronghold even if they are only ruled by children. And seems perfectly fine with murking then. He is sociopathic. That sounds like something Joffrey would do.
Cregan Stark is a gigachad
Why did he execute the people who arrested Alicent? Someone please explain.
In his view despite the fact he was team Rhaenerya he still views the whole plot to kill Aegon as treasonous and without honour. Thereby arresting Alicent was part of that treason
@@WorldOfWesteros Okay, thank you for the explanation.
I think his main goal was to restore order in king's landing . So the death of king Aegon II was treason in his books . Same as Alicent arrest.
i wouldn’t necessarily say he executed them, more arrested them and offer them to take the black or die. Larys wanted to die rather than being a night watch
I've said it a good bit of times but I'll say it again Cregan Stark really blew his chance.
Do you lot believe the show will end here. I seriously doubt they will adapt any of the regency period, seeing as we are not getting as many seasons as GOT.
I think we will at least get into the hour of the wolf. How much further than that is a mystery
They are gonna adapt 7 realms Knight
I Hope they dont retcon nothing because the Targaryen family is cool AF
Seems like men of the North are no joke they ain't fckn arround 😢
they are well honed, these Winter Wolves..
I am team black and like that starks played huge part in civil war's aftermath and rhaenyra's bloodline to win
So what is the honarable way to depose of a king? Another war… I get stark but damn idk
oh yea the hour of the wolf is nigh
The Starks are definitely the closest thing to divine justice in the world of Ice and Fire.
The late Cregan Stark
The beginning and downfall of the stark line is the real winner! Make it! Yo!
I love the parallels between the main series and the dance.
Where Ned comes down with his northern honor and justice and is destroyed and humiliated.
Cregan came down and took over as the hour of the wolf began
Ned didnt come with host of men that had nothing to lost, they either home after plundered the south or died like their ancestors before, luckily widows fair happen.
Cregan Stark is the MVP
When a war kicks off-
The rest of Westeros: 😣😔😣😖
Northmen:!Good! My son can have my winter rations for that alone id die gladly
He wanted Aegon the 3rd on the throne not the second.
Ya know, Cregan may have killed off some of the more treacherous people's in King's Landing but, his plans for more war was foolish.
Seems like Lord Cregan was high off his "honor", too blind to see how his actions would've led to more bloodshed. War was already over, he wanted to keep it going.
He didn't have the means to deal with the likes of Casterly Rock, Storm's End and then Oldtown
How big was Cregans army? Jw
If you don’t count the first wave of winter wolves Cregan claims it to be about 20k
cregan stark was the real craven in that room
Cregan Stark is the George Washington of the 7 kingdoms
She showed up late but finished the war? What is this? 😮
If stark had arrived on time is it possible that the blacks would have won?
I bet they'll change this in the show. We want to see northmen fight at the south
Winter wolves fought in the war and they were part of the northern army
He Will appear in House of the Dragons because he's appear ezen Aegon 3 is appear só I dönt think so. But I very hope se Will see him
Isn't cregan 25 or something in this time
about 23ish, so quite young honestly
cregan you were too late!!!!
Why do people praise Cregan? He did nothing the entire war other than send the Winter Wolves. I don't think he's honorable but Machiavellian. It's extremely convenient that his army was so well preserved considering they came to the fight so late. It's almost like he purposely intended to make his move now.
i really like this idea that the 'honorable' starks were scheming all along
Which is why I like Cregan. Most of the Starks are fools. Honorable fools a certain king would say.
@@DonEnzone He reminds me of a Male version of Sansa Stark after marrying into the Boltons on the show.
He really did set off late on purpose. It's either that or the north would starve during the winter as what happened to the Karstark's holdings in GOT time. He went back to the north with greatly reduced host though. As stated here, they marched with the full intention of either having an honorble dead or plunders to support them through the winter, denied both, majority did not go back with Cregan but instead found employment/ widow to marry in the south.
This makes me like him even more .
I hate cregan stark. Dude waited 2 years untill everyone worth fighting and then marches down and acts like a badass. Everyone else thinks hes amazing and i just think hes an opportunistic scavenger. No better than the freys or ironborn. The north constantly moaning about winter yet never leaving the coldest part of westeros should be a meme by now.
Too bad Cregan wasn't as Ambitious as Cao Cao. Hahaha
Why do you post this trash at every video Cao Cao and Dong Zhou suck Lord Cregan Stark is way better
Unnecessary as fuc. Cregan is really mad that Corlys killed their enemy Aegon II with poison? His logic is so terrible he just sounds like a bloodthirsty tyrant. Would it have been better if Corlys killed the crippled Aegon in a duel or just imprisoned him?
Because you normalise using poison if you let it slide.
Like how the red wedding caused the end of the guest right in the main series and even loyalists were calling to execute some Freys even though it saved the lannisters so many lives.
Exactly the north remember as Randall Tarly said we’re not schemers we don’t cut are friend throat at weddings a cheap win for the Lannisters. That why no one respect Rose Bolton as the warden in the north a turn coat.
While he may of gone a bit overboard, you can’t just let people off who swore loyalty to a king and then decided to poison him.
Exactly
@@hhhggbg3000 Nah he’s acting like Coryls is a kingsguard. His logic is terrible it’s the duty of every lord to make sure they have actually have a sane king in power.
why is he involved in anyone's business? just run your territory and move on
I do not take Cregan at his word about the "old, homeless and unwanted" marching down south. It's simply not true, what would be said of all the Knights and lords who came with the Warden of the North himself? All the countless thousands of farmers, smiths, miners, builders who were essential to Northern society? No, this was a very shrewd, politic thing of Lord Cregan, a threat even. "My poor country has expended much in a time of great need to fight this war, we shall not go home empty-handed with no plunder or conditions from the Throne for our succor and support in the coming winter." Stark himself was quite shrewd, he had to be. He negotiated with Prince Jacaerys and upset the coup of his uncle Bernar. He knew that by seizing power, even temporarily he could curry royal support that would see the North through the winter.
Cregan should've ruined old town
The Starks are actually shit scared of dragons when u think about it 😂 waited for them all to die then marched in like they own the place
(I mean everyone is shit scared of them but a lot still faced them in battle and were BBQ’d for their efforts)
What's interesting about Cregan Stark is that everyone sees him as a great charismatic warrior, while everything about his actions shows the opposite : a coward and a blusterer. Come on, the guy waited for the dragons to die, then he managed to arrive after the fights, then he vainly threatened Aegon's former allies to continue the war knowing that he would have had no chance of prevail, then he condemns Corlys Velaryon to death but gives up as soon as Alyn Velaryon threatens him to come to King's Landing, then he renounces his position as Hand of the King and leaves Tyland Lannister to rule the kingdom. In the end, the guy did absolutely nothing. Probably the most vain, swaggering and cowardly character of the whole war...
We already know the end! Make their rise with justice!
If stark had arrived on time is it possible that the blacks would have won?