Single Shot vs Double Shot Espresso | Sage Barista Express
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2022
- In this video, we're going to talk about how to achieve a good extraction result when using the Sage Barista Express espresso machine. Achieving a good extraction is crucial for producing a delicious and high-quality espresso, and it requires the right combination of coffee dose, yield, and extraction time.
For a single shot espresso, a good extraction result can be achieved with an 11g dose, a 22g yield, and an extraction time of around 30 seconds. To achieve this result, it's important to use freshly ground coffee beans and tamp them firmly into the portafilter. Then, place the portafilter in the machine and start the extraction process.
For a double shot espresso, a good extraction result can be achieved with an 18g dose, a 36g yield, and an extraction time in the range of 30 to 35 seconds. As with a single shot, it's important to use fresh coffee beans and tamp them firmly into the portafilter before starting the extraction process.
By following these guidelines and monitoring the flow rate, color, and consistency of the espresso as it is extracted, you can achieve a good extraction result and enjoy a delicious, high-quality espresso with the Sage Barista Express. In this video, we'll show you how to do it step by step.
If your espresso is sour you need to grind finer, if bitter you need to grind coarser. Sweet espresso is made with a correct extraction.
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Hi Ahmet, first of all I have say you make great videos! Very professional and somehow getting me in great coffe-mood and relax-feeling... thanks for all of them!
I'm owning Barista Express since few days and still in "dialing-in" process... "damaged" already a lot of good coffe beans. 😊... I'm already able to manage quite well double-shot based on overall setting, dosing and experience which I collected cross the internet (your videos included of course).
Neverthless what I'm really still striving for is the usage of single-shot (baskets) too... I got with maschine single pressurized (double-wall) and single non-pressurized (single-wall) baskets... with double-wall we can discuss it is "somehow" acceptable espresso, but still with objections I have to admit... with single wall it's almost impossible... is that also message of this video? Or what is please your daily experience with filter baskets? Any ideas how to improve?
Background: I love coffe, frequently within the day,... and simply double-shots are really strong to manage standard count of cups (4-6) I normally drink... so I'm searching the way how to enjoy good coffe but cofein-safe. 😅
Any recomendation please regarding this topic?
Hello my friend 🙌 I'm sorry that I can answer your question after 5 months. I am happy that you liked my videos and that they were useful to you.
In this video, how to dial a good espresso with both baskets (single wall). I would like to add an important information: Use your single-walled baskets with fresh coffee beans. For the best taste and crema, consume between 1-3 weeks after roasting. You can prepare roasted coffee beans in dual-walled baskets after the 3rd month. (in my opinion, never use a dual-walled basket) Dual-walled baskets are designed to froth the espresso, and a sprayed espresso will not be very tasty.
Due to the 54mm single basket structure, I could not achieve consistent results. When you tamp the single basket, the edges will be compressed more and the middle will be less. I think that due to the V-section of the basket, the water cannot be distributed equally everywhere. Unfortunately, I have always gotten the best brewing results with a double basket (single wall). Maybe you'd be better off drinking double shots of espresso less often.
Cheers 💫
Does the numbers on your scale go up and down as soon as u press the shot button?
Hello, great content!
Do the baskets provided with the machine work with your portafilter?
Hello, thank you very much.
Baskets supplied with the machine work with 54mm 3 ear portafilters.
"Sage Barista Express 54mm Bottomless Portafilter"
"Breville Barista Express 54mm Bottomless Portafilter"
When you search with this text, you will come across many products. Pay attention to this for the perfect fit. Brands such as Normcore and Crema are among the quality examples. 🙌
Where did you get the leather handele cover?
Hi, thank you very much for your great content! Discovering your channel changed my coffee experience for the much better. With this machine, would you still recommend a separate grinder like Eureka Mignon Specialta to upgrade the Espresso (or maybe an alternative grinder?)
Thank you, I'm glad you like my videos. I haven't had experience with a different grinder, but if I were to buy a grinder, I'd like a Niche zero or DF64V (Burrs: SSP Multipurpose).
is it in the espresso gauge or above?
I loved this video. I have that machine at home but I don't know how use it properly
Thanks! I recommend you to take advantage of the long videos on my channel. I'm sure you'll be making better espresso in no time.
do you use the basket that came in with the machine or some kind of precision basket like IMS? not particularly in this video, in general
The baskets that come with the machine are enough for me. For now there is only them. 🙂
did you cut the extraction or it finish itself ?
Hello! I must admit that it is very so to say aesthetic video, which I totally love.
Since I am getting into the coffee world, in my opinion, 46 seconds of the total time is totally too long and it should take maximum of 25 seconds. With a longer time of "brewing" , you are extracting the taste that should not come from the coffee and it tastes not good anymore :) Just encouraging you to check it out.
Thank you for liking my video. Have you watched the whole thing? In the rest of the video, I test a 33-second shot in the single basket and a 28-second shot in the double basket. Extractions under 25 seconds are generally sour in machines with 54mm portafilters such as Sage Barista Express, which means underextraction. Of course, this may suit your taste.
Time counting should start from moment liquid touches bottom of cup
Hello, Nice video. May I ask where did you get the bottomless portafilter from? I have been looking to get one for my Breville Infuser (same size 54mm) but almost all of the ones on Amazon have some negative comments concerning lack of tight fit. I wonder how do you find your portafilter.
Hello, you can find the amazon link of the Neouza bottomless portafilter I used in this video in the description section. I haven't had any issues with the lack of tight fit. 🙌🏻 thank you
@@ahmeterginkarahan Thank you brother.
So the last test was the best result ?
Emeğinize sağlık Ahmet Bey,çekimleriniz güzel. Ben de evde kullanmak için ''Profitec pro 800'' almayı düşünüyorum da youtube'da türkçe detaylı bilgi pek bulamadım. tavsiye eder misiniz ?
Merhaba, yorumunuzu yeni görüyorum. Profitec aldınız mı?
What coffee beans do you use?
What portafilter are you using in this video? The Neouza you linked below doesn't look like that from the images on Amazon...
Bottomless portfilter size 54Mm u can find it anywhere.. the basket comes with the machine already u just need the portfilter
I’m new to this. Don’t have this type of fancy machine yet lol but how exactly do you know what grind setting to use?
I see no one responded in 2 months on your question. I hope this isnt to late.
But when you talk about a Ratio, like 18 grams in 36-40 grams out. you talk about a 1:2 to 1:2,1 ratio.
The sweetspot of making good espresso is somewhere around that 25-30 seconds.
Hi! I like so much your work! I'm looking for some bottomless portafilter for my Sage Barista Express, do you know where can I get one like yours or similar? Thanks!
Hello, I made a list of the equipment I used in the video descriptions, you can check it out there. 🙂
Ahmet what is ur inner grind size ?
inner burr setting 4
Merhaba videolariniz cok keyifli bir sorum olacak kucuk bir isletme icin bu makineyi onerirmisiniz ard arda kac kahve yapilabilir tesekkurler
Merhaba, teşekkür ederim. Küçük işletmeler için önerebileceğim bir makine değil. Bu makineler arıtılmış şebeke suyuna bağlanmaz ve bunun için hazır su tüketmeniz gerekir en önemli sebep budur. Öte yandan ev kullanımına göre tasarlandığı için buhar performansı endüstriyel makineler kadar kuvvetli değildir. Tek kazanlıdır bu yüzden seri kahve yapmanıza izin vermeyebilir. Size tavsiyem bir lelit bianca pl162t v3 edinmenizdir. Yanına iyi bir değirmen de almanız gerekecek.
Hello, can you do a video showing how the pressure gauge operates in your extraction? Thanks.n
I have some videos. The gauge often shows a pressure of 11 - 12 bar.
Fist time I using my new Barista Express and the grinder just isn't able to smash the beans and goes making the sound of being "loosen" inside as the external pieces don't move...
Is there anyway this can be fixed, or it's really broken?
You should remove the bean hopper and see what's going on inside. There may be many answers to this problem. This video may be a guide for you, but it will not be enough to solve the problem.
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Hello Ahmet, i also have the exact same machine and coffee scale, but my scale always increases and decreases randomly, but also increases in weight to very high numbers when the machine begins brewing (before coffee hits the cup). Don’t you have those problems? I would love to hear from you, thanks!
Because cup is shaking
What is the basis of how many grams is single and double shot of espresso? I was always told single is approx 7 grams in Italian café
I know the industrial standards are 7g dose for single basket, 14g for double basket. However, for me, the right ratio in double basket is 18g dose 36g yield. For a single basket, 11g dose yields 22g. The ratio is always 1:2
Hello! Ahment ty for the videos
Maybe you guys can help me. I need help with my new and perfect Berville Model 875 coffee machine. Specifically, I’m looking for guidance on best practices for brewing with Starbucks medium roast coffee beans. Any tips or instructions are welcome. The number in the area where you put the coffee beans is 3, on the outer roller the number is 7, the pressure to produce coffee is in the right area but the aroma is still not there and I have already broken down 3 kilos of coffee beans 🫠
Single and double normale?
Can i ask i one thing. If 18g yield 36 under 28 sec, does it considered as under extracted?
I don't think so. If you're not getting sour flavors, you're getting a good shot of espresso. I prefer bittersweet notes, preferably over 30 seconds.
My semi automatic machine has a pressurized basket portafilter with dual spout, can I buy a non pressurized basket like yours and put in my portafilter that i have?
newbie here. hope you can help me
Of course, you can use an non-pressurized basket. Check that your portafilter is suitable for its diameter. If you do not have a bottomless portafilter, do not forget to measure the height of the original portafilter.
@@ahmeterginkarahan Thank You!
Merhaba, kaliteli bir çalışma olmuş, kahve çekirdeklerine sıktığınız sprey içeriğini paylaşabilir misiniz?
Merhaba, teşekkür ederim. İçerik su :)
"Ross Droplet Technique" öğütme sırasında statik elektriklenmeyi önler.
Merhabalar, ben de yeni bu makineden aldım. Espresso için kahve öğütme hangi ayarda kullanıyorsunuz acaba? 7-8-9-10?
Merhaba.
Öncelikle, öğütme ayarınız benimkinden farklı olabilir. Bunun sebebi kahve çekirdekleri kavurma tarihi ve yapısına göre farklı öğütme boyutlarında doğru ayarı bulabilirsiniz.
Bu bilgi de bizi şuna götürüyor; 18g doz 36g verim elde etmek için ideal zamanlama 30 saniyedir. 28 - 35 saniye arasında demleme süresi arttıkça ekşi tatlar azalır yerini acı tatlar alır.
Doğru öğütme ayarını bu ayarları yakaladığınızda anlayabilirsiniz.
Sage makinelerinde iç öğütücü grubu standart 6 ayarlanmış olarak gelir. Siz sadece makinenin solundaki grind size çevirerek doğru ayar bulmaya çalışabilirsiniz. Ancak bu yetmediği zaman iç çapakları (inner burr) ayarlamanız gerekir.
Şu videom size rehber olabilir;
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18g doz 36g verim elde ederken öğütme boyutu küçüldükçe süreyi arttır, büyüttükçe süreyi azaltırsınız.
Ben şu an taze full city kavrulmuş %100 arabica espresso harman kahve çekirdekleri için iç çapak 5 ve öğütme boyutu 5 kullanıyorum. Videoda yaptığım ayarı uzun zamandır kullanıyorum.
Kolay gelsin 🙂
Öncelikle vakit ayırdığınız için çok teşekkür ederim. Bu ayarlarda tekrar deneyeceğim. Takıldığım yerde size danışmak isterim ☺️
@@ersinefeyel Kanalımdaki uzun videoları izleyin. Manual pre-infusion videosuna da bakın. Ben her atışta kullanırım. İlk saniye ön infüzyon ile daha dengeli espressolar demliyorum. 👍🏻
Just to confirm, when will I start the time, is it after pressing the button or after on the first drip? Some are saying that the time will start after the espresso start to drip.
When the coffee starts to get wet, the brewing process begins. In this case, it may be more accurate to start the timer as soon as you press the button. There is also one more reason for this. It is also important to see the pre-infusion time and when it starts to flow. A total of 30 to 35 seconds of extraction, with the first 8 to 10 seconds of manual pre-infusion being ideal.
@@ahmeterginkarahan so the pre infusion of 8-10secs is included to the 30-35secs of extraction process?
Yes, absolutely included.@@joeybautista7989
great video. yes i start the scale timer as soon as i press the 2 shot button on my Infuser model, works well for nice crema!
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Hi, great video! :) Where can I get them and what are the names of the remember anything and the truth? :) thank you
haha 😅 thank you. It's just a metal shot glass and unfortunately I couldn't find a sales link for it anymore. Instead, I can recommend the shot glasses I use in my Delonghi Dedica videos.👇
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Hi. The top section is plastic. Does it still heat the cups
Certainly. The hot plastic tray keeps your glasses warm.
What weight is that? I see everyone is using it.
Is it available in the EU or the Nordic countries?
Timemore Black Mirror Coffee Scale 🙂
Merhaba ne tür su kullanımı tüketimi yapıyorsunuz?
Merhaba, ben hazır içme suyu kullanıyorum, bir çok farklı marka denedim özellikle çok beğendiğim bir su olmadı ama Fuska suyu değiştirme ihtiyacı hissetmedim uzun süredir kullanıyorum.
Şebeke suyu hiç düşünmedim çünkü kireçle mücadele etmek istemem. Ayrıca mineral bakımından da zayıf olduğunu düşünüyorum.
I've seen this quite often, what is the liquid you are adding to the beans?
Static electricity sometimes occurs during grinding. The simplest way to prevent this is 2 drops of water. 🙂🙌
Just water. To prevent static dust from coming out of the grinder
@@kennethguerrero6802 it is exactly that. 😊🙌🏻
@@ahmeterginkarahan always thought it was something like coconut oil thanks for the enlightenment 🙏🏼
@@Blacksenbonzakura happy for you 🙌🏻😊
Merhaba bu Makine ile acaba espresso dışında americano ya da cafe crema yapılır mı?
Elbette 🙌🏻 kanalımdaki videolara gözatın. Espresso bazlı içeceklerin tamamını yapabilirsiniz.
@@ahmeterginkarahan çok teşekkür ediyorum
Szuper ! 🙂
Kral fena kahve yapıyorsun.👏👏 bu son yaptığın nedir farklı bi aparat kullandın sanırsam.Anlatırmısın bize.
Teşekkür ederim, kaçıncı saniyeyi soruyorsunuz?
James Hoffman said this machine does not make good espresso. I think it was this exact model. Something about pressure and then pressure spiking and then some other factor and some other stuff i forgot. lol
You can pre-infuse manually at the start, but you cannot control the pressure towards the end. This is a huge drawback, I partially agree.
What's difference between single and double shot
Some use 18 to 20g of beans and call it single shot espresso, you used 11g for single and 18g for double shot!
Is it the portafilter size, If 51mm then 18g would be called double shot and if it's 58mm then 18g would be single shot?
It's somewhat confusing
You are right, there can be conceptual confusion about this issue sometimes. Sage Barista Express works with a 54mm portafilter. 11g dose for single basket prepared for this machine, 18g dose for double basket is ideal. To give another example, the Delonghi dedica EC685 espresso machine works with a 51mm portafilter. 6g of coffee is required for a single basket, and 13g of coffee is required for a double basket.
Industrial standard 58mm portafilter is used. In short, the dose is adjusted according to the basket and the espresso machine, and the double basket 18 - 22g dose is accepted.
Great one ! This is addictive content ahah
What are the best parameters to you for a single shot ? Yield? Time pre infusing? Time high pressure? Grams of coffee ?
Thanks for sharing you passion about coffee !
Thank you and welcome back friend 🙌🏻
Sage Barista Express single basket does not work well. It is not possible to tamper with the middle part of the basket correctly. Flat tampering with a funnel-shaped basket will never work well.
So what's my best setting?
18gr dose to double basket,
Inner burr grinding setting 4,
grind level 3,
Tamper with 15 - 20kg pressure.
Brewing;
Hold down the double shot button for 15 seconds,
The pre-infusion slightly raises the pressure inside the basket.
In 8 - 10 seconds, the first drop flows into the glass.
In the 15th second, the drops converge, at that moment, release the double shot button.
The pressure in the basket shows 12 bar and the needle stays all the way to the end of the gray area.
You have to press the double shot basket once to stop it.
for this, wait to reach 36 g yield.
Aim to finish in 25 - 35 seconds.
adjust your grind setting to ensure this.
For example, if you have a yield of 25 g in 35 seconds, you should make the grind coarser.
here is my espresso recipe. 🙌🏻🙏🏻😊
Thanks man ! A pro answer 💪
@@ahmeterginkarahan Hey man, I have recently purchased a bottomless portefiltre but it is a mess 😂
Did you experienced the same thing ? If yes, what are the solutions? I guess you already treated that topic before...
Thanks in advance
@@millotantoine6357 haha, dude I've talked about this before in the comments to a lot of people, but I can tell it anyway. I'm telling you briefly what you need to do;
- go to fine grind
- use wdt
- make good tamp
- make sure to use fresh coffee beans
It is very normal to have this problem. You can see the pressure 12 bar, you don't have to worry.
Make sure to use a pre-infusion for the first 8 seconds. You can learn this from my videos. good luck. 🙌🏻👇🏻
How to: Manual Pre-Infusion with Sage Barista Express
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@@millotantoine6357 Hi,
What’s happened is called channeling. The water finds channels within the puck that have the least resistance.
This can be caused by:
- not evenly distributed coffee in the filter. Make sure you use the WDT (needles) to distribute the coffee evenly in the filter.
- coffee is too lose in the filter. Tamp the puck with approximately 15 Kg. Use a scale to check if you’re unsure. You can’t easily tamp too hard but there’s no need/benefit to overdo it.
- brewing with too much pressure. It’s custom to brew with no more than 9 bars of pressure. Ahmet uses 12 bars on this machine with good results. I use 9 bars but with a wider 58mm filter, so that might explain the difference. If everything else fails, I would recommend trying to brew with less pressure.
I agree with everything Ahmet mentioned, I just wanted to add the ‘why’ to the ‘how’
Hope this helps. Let us know how your coffee is now if you can. Cheers!
Seems grind way too fine since coffee takes too long to poor and not supposed to drip suppose to have nice even flow. Just my opinion
40 seconds extraction for 11g of beans? That must better as f…. :( you must like it this way ;)
please help settle this :
1 shot = 1 cup button ?
2 shots= 2 shot button?
If you have a new machine and haven't programmed the 1 cup, 2 cup keys yet, my answer is Yes. But Sage Barista Express can do much more than that. I think there's a lot of things you need to discover on this machine. I recommend you to watch the videos on my channel.
@@ahmeterginkarahan thank you very much
Sage with singel basket not work with dubel it’s perfect i dont want to change grind always when i use singel 😡
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Over extraction
overfilled basket big time
Do you use a simple water because inside the tank is present filter? I use at home water with filter. What I meet to put
Analysis of the water used is important. After all, we drink coffee dissolved in water. The answer to this question may vary depending on your location. I use natural bottled spring water. Before settling on a brand of bottled water, it is advisable to check the hardness with a test kit.
Total Dissolved Solvents (TDS) is recommended by the EPA to be below 500 mg/L. TDS usually indicates hard water.
Pure water should have a neutral pH of 7. High pH in water will result in a “flat” taste.
dont use tap water. use filtered pitcher like Brita etc. Brevill even notes that choice as best. also so you dont get scale
So I unboxed my new espresso machine and jumped on your video, have to say you are so cool! I was worried about my double shot being less in quantity but now I see it's about the right quantity and I learned so much more today! Thanks brother! Also currently I am buying fine grind coffee powder, but soon will get the grinder and grind my own beans, do you think the fine grind is good for a double shot, as I see you kept the grinder on Level-3 for double shot which makes me to think if fine grind is Level-2 or Level-3?
I suggest you two of my videos, my friend. If you own a Sage Barista Express, you should definitely watch them. You should adjust the inner burr grinder and clean it frequently. The flavor of the espresso should get you to the right grind setting. If you are drinking a sour espresso you should grind finer, if you are drinking bitter coffee you can grind it coarser. While providing all this, you must have a stable reference. I suggest focusing on the 30 second extraction reference for 18g dose 36g yield. Then trust your palate, it will help you find the best espresso over time!
Good equipment is important or you will have to work with inconsistent results and it is very frustrating.
Thanks for the comment!
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