The water delay at the start of the cycle is the pre-infusion! When you pre flush the group head, just let it finish its water cycle fully without turning it off manually part way through and then it will give the correct amount of water immediately on the next use, i.e. for the actual coffee shot. To speed things up, pre flush on the single cup button! You're welcome!
It's more because the volumetics on the sage machines are absolute crap! (i.e using the shot buttons to automatically give you x amount Even when you program them, still rubbish) Just manually extract like many others here say they do and you'll be grand
I always press and hold the two cup button, that’s the pre infusion, then after 5 seconds I release it till I got 36 grams out and I press the button again to stop. For me this works the best
Agree for first shot of the day. Second and subsequent can be single shot automatic. If I try automatic for first shot of the day, it stops early, under extracted. Automatic works fine for the rest of the day.
You can hit programme before every time you hit the double shot button. By doing that, it won't stop pouring water unless you manually hit the button once again. Hit it once the desired weight of the shot is achieved. Start timer once the shot hits the shot glass. And yes, program the single shot button for 3-4 seconds and hit it for flushing/heating your portafilter.
im confused...the water ALWAYS starts exactly 4 seconds after pressing the button..therefore...its always the same ammount? Where is the problem? if you want more you can just program it to more instead of always having to work around the delay by pressing the button multilple times before actually making your espresso?
It is a bit confusing. But the water doesn’t always start at the same time. That is the point of this video. But as long as you have one way of doing it and if you always do the same then you shouldn’t have any problems. See the video again - I think it will make sense. Checl that part where I am just tapping pute water. There you can see the difference
After flushing water out of the group head, water collects behind the shower screen, therefore making water flow instantaneously after pressing a brew button.
Hello. I see also with your machine, and mine has the same: you can see wthe water is not comming out evenly from the showerscreen. You see 2 places with a lot of water and on some places it only drips. How can you fix this?
The problem using weight on this machine is that pushing the button to stop it dosnt stop the coffee immidiately. Pushing the button at 30g leaves you with somewhere between 33-38g in the cup, inconsistently.
You misunderstand the problem. The problem itself is consistency between shots. i.e a lot of people early on with these machines experience inconsistencies between Weight and Time, which is caused by the additional water held in the pump for priming if the shot button has had flow soon before you run it and other times it hasn't had that. So your weight in the specific time is off. This can be a really problem when quickly pulling shots during dialling in. Example: if you're used to just pulling 1 shot, and not preheating the group head and your shot runs 36g in 30Seconds, but this time, you are making a 2nd cup for someone else...so you've pulled your shot, you've prepped your next one, you run the group to just clear any backwash and run your next shot, chances are you'll get 36g out in say 25seconds instead...you then start chasing issues with grind etc, when really, it's just that the pump has additional water in it and begins feeding water either sooner than the initial shot, OR it is pumping a higher volume in that initial phase of the 2nd shot. So you either have to prime it before every shot OR leave it a little longer between shots.
It is a great machine for the money. The only minus is the grinder. It can be a bit difficult to adjust it. I dont know if I would recommend it - depends on your budget and your personality. If you are willing to put some hours in learning about coffee, adjustments etc then you would be able to produce some very nice coffees on this machine.
@@cityroastkbenhavn I have learned a lot about espresso over the years and at one point owned a Gaggia (albeit it was junk).. I have heard integrated grinders are a weakness in most all in ones though but a Niche is around 4-500 on its own. I mostly drink cappuccino’s so as long as it will pull a half decent double basket shot I think I will be happy… if not you are looking at machines costing 700- 1500 and that’s not happening.
You are right but here I am talking about something else. It is a bit complicated. Trt to watch the video again. Or to avoid any problems just find your rutine and do precisely the same every time you brew a coffee
Estás algo equivocada porque en la pre-infusion ya comienza a caer agua sin presión; y después de ese ciclo sale agua con presión Los 3-4 segundos cuando agua no sale no es pre-infusión
Damn 3 watches and i still dont get it lol, i thought you seemed to suggest the delay means you get less water.. so you dont like the delay? but then you say to program with the delay? But your machine there is showing a delay then no delay right after.. without you re-programming? I am so confused lol
Just find your routine and make sure to follow the same steps every time you are brewing and you are good to go. I don’t have the machine any more but as I remember the delay isn’t something you can program. And what some guys are suggesting that the part with out water coming out is preinfusion is wrong. Preinfusion is the first part of water coming out with lower pressure for some seconds before pressure goes up. On other machine the preinfusion can start for few second and then machine stops for few second and turn on again. Hope it makes sense.
@@ActiveGamingUK For many hears I had a heat exchamger from macchiavalley and now I am testing out different cheaper machines. One I have now os from Cafelffe. You can se it on my latest videos
I mean programming the double shot button for the amount of water that you want it to give. And remember always to program the button with coffee inside. And the video is about, how to program the button - with the delay or without. This depends on your routine. Hope it makes sense. Otherwise see the video again. This is a bit complicated.
You can flush and preheat when ever it suits you. The point of the video is the delay of the waterflow. See the video again and you will understand. It is a bit complicated. But in the essence it is up to you to find YOUR routine and stick to it so you do the same every time, and you should be fine
The water delay at the start of the cycle is the pre-infusion! When you pre flush the group head, just let it finish its water cycle fully without turning it off manually part way through and then it will give the correct amount of water immediately on the next use, i.e. for the actual coffee shot. To speed things up, pre flush on the single cup button! You're welcome!
It's more because the volumetics on the sage machines are absolute crap! (i.e using the shot buttons to automatically give you x amount Even when you program them, still rubbish)
Just manually extract like many others here say they do and you'll be grand
I always press and hold the two cup button, that’s the pre infusion, then after 5 seconds I release it till I got 36 grams out and I press the button again to stop. For me this works the best
Good routine 👍
Agree for first shot of the day. Second and subsequent can be single shot automatic. If I try automatic for first shot of the day, it stops early, under extracted. Automatic works fine for the rest of the day.
So in short: priming your system with water to get reproducible volumes.
@@nano7586 yes but make sure to follow the same routine every time
You can hit programme before every time you hit the double shot button. By doing that, it won't stop pouring water unless you manually hit the button once again. Hit it once the desired weight of the shot is achieved. Start timer once the shot hits the shot glass. And yes, program the single shot button for 3-4 seconds and hit it for flushing/heating your portafilter.
im confused...the water ALWAYS starts exactly 4 seconds after pressing the button..therefore...its always the same ammount? Where is the problem? if you want more you can just program it to more instead of always having to work around the delay by pressing the button multilple times before actually making your espresso?
It is a bit confusing. But the water doesn’t always start at the same time. That is the point of this video. But as long as you have one way of doing it and if you always do the same then you shouldn’t have any problems. See the video again - I think it will make sense. Checl that part where I am just tapping pute water. There you can see the difference
After flushing water out of the group head, water collects behind the shower screen, therefore making water flow instantaneously after pressing a brew button.
well done my friend , thanks
Wow, mines doesn't do that at all. If I press the water button the water never stops coming out. Any ideas?
Have your programmed the button?
Hello. I see also with your machine, and mine has the same: you can see wthe water is not comming out evenly from the showerscreen. You see 2 places with a lot of water and on some places it only drips. How can you fix this?
@@denederlandsecryptogroep3576 try to take the shower out and clean it
@@cityroastkbenhavn i did that. Even with no showerhead it shows this
@@denederlandsecryptogroep3576 then try to talk to Sage. Maybe you have a machine with a fault or maybe there is some limescale build up
Or you can just stop using volumetrics and weigh your shots while you're pulling them with the scale and stop it when it hits the right ratio.
Exactly. This is more for people who like to use the programmed double shot button.
The problem using weight on this machine is that pushing the button to stop it dosnt stop the coffee immidiately. Pushing the button at 30g leaves you with somewhere between 33-38g in the cup, inconsistently.
@@LarsMartinJensvoll Knowing that wouldn’t it be solved by pressing eariler?
That extra water also makes your puck on the soupy side.
You misunderstand the problem. The problem itself is consistency between shots. i.e a lot of people early on with these machines experience inconsistencies between Weight and Time, which is caused by the additional water held in the pump for priming if the shot button has had flow soon before you run it and other times it hasn't had that. So your weight in the specific time is off. This can be a really problem when quickly pulling shots during dialling in.
Example: if you're used to just pulling 1 shot, and not preheating the group head and your shot runs 36g in 30Seconds, but this time, you are making a 2nd cup for someone else...so you've pulled your shot, you've prepped your next one, you run the group to just clear any backwash and run your next shot, chances are you'll get 36g out in say 25seconds instead...you then start chasing issues with grind etc, when really, it's just that the pump has additional water in it and begins feeding water either sooner than the initial shot, OR it is pumping a higher volume in that initial phase of the 2nd shot.
So you either have to prime it before every shot OR leave it a little longer between shots.
I know that 3 - 4 sec. Water will not come out since it is preinfusion time.
You’re a life saver !! Thank you so much I understand now !!
Your are welcome 👍
Do you recommend this machine?
I have been using a ROK presso and a hand grinder for the last year and would like an automatic machine..
It is a great machine for the money. The only minus is the grinder. It can be a bit difficult to adjust it. I dont know if I would recommend it - depends on your budget and your personality. If you are willing to put some hours in learning about coffee, adjustments etc then you would be able to produce some very nice coffees on this machine.
@@cityroastkbenhavn I have learned a lot about espresso over the years and at one point owned a Gaggia (albeit it was junk).. I have heard integrated grinders are a weakness in most all in ones though but a Niche is around 4-500 on its own.
I mostly drink cappuccino’s so as long as it will pull a half decent double basket shot I think I will be happy… if not you are looking at machines costing 700- 1500 and that’s not happening.
@@DJCJ999 sounds like this machine would be great for you 👍
Esos segundos antes de empezar a caer el líquido, es la llamada preinfusion. Y puede tardar hasta 8 - 9 segundos. O estoy equivocada ?
You are right but here I am talking about something else. It is a bit complicated. Trt to watch the video again. Or to avoid any problems just find your rutine and do precisely the same every time you brew a coffee
Estás algo equivocada porque en la pre-infusion ya comienza a caer agua sin presión; y después de ese ciclo sale agua con presión
Los 3-4 segundos cuando agua no sale no es pre-infusión
Thanks
Damn 3 watches and i still dont get it lol, i thought you seemed to suggest the delay means you get less water.. so you dont like the delay? but then you say to program with the delay? But your machine there is showing a delay then no delay right after.. without you re-programming? I am so confused lol
Just find your routine and make sure to follow the same steps every time you are brewing and you are good to go. I don’t have the machine any more but as I remember the delay isn’t something you can program.
And what some guys are suggesting that the part with out water coming out is preinfusion is wrong. Preinfusion is the first part of water coming out with lower pressure for some seconds before pressure goes up. On other machine the preinfusion can start for few second and then machine stops for few second and turn on again. Hope it makes sense.
@@cityroastkbenhavnwhat machine have you got now?
@@ActiveGamingUK For many hears I had a heat exchamger from macchiavalley and now I am testing out different cheaper machines. One I have now os from Cafelffe. You can se it on my latest videos
Thanks good video 👌
Very helpful video thank you 😊
What do you mean program the shots
I mean programming the double shot button for the amount of water that you want it to give. And remember always to program the button with coffee inside.
And the video is about, how to program the button - with the delay or without. This depends on your routine. Hope it makes sense. Otherwise see the video again. This is a bit complicated.
Should you not flush before through the head but pre heat with hot water with de side button?
You can flush and preheat when ever it suits you. The point of the video is the delay of the waterflow. See the video again and you will understand. It is a bit complicated. But in the essence it is up to you to find YOUR routine and stick to it so you do the same every time, and you should be fine