Rust is dead. He is the cousin who sold the trailer to Clarke. Died of the same disease as his dad. The sign was in the trailer because Rust drew it. Annie and Clarke had it tattoed as a token of their secret love.
Not for this season. If Rust is still alive and the actors want to play the characters again, then I think they will just do a true sequel to the 1st season.
Same I avoided the internet about this show for the first three episodes I was surprised that people were upset about this season. What’s wrong with people
Honestly, i hope Rust and Marty don't return, but maybe Danvers receives Rust's notebook. I'd like to see the characters & story stand on their own without heavily relying on season 1 nostalgia
@@sosa5110if the two return, the first season will no longer be so special. there is every chance that the character of Rust will be ruined too, especially since Nic isn’t involved anymore
@@exploitbruhI disagree, people will end up loving season 1 more. The idea of rust in another environment will add more to his mystery, don’t forget he has a whole backstory in Texas we don’t know about.
Pizzolatto confirmed on Twitter that Rust is not returning. He isn't involved in the show anymore, but I would be inclined to believe he kept in touch with MacCounaghy.
Perfect, they said that people see the dead during the long night. They also said one thing the dead might want to do is take you with them. That would drive me crazy, especially as a scientist who you assume wouldn't believe in the supernatural.
Whenever Danvers was looking at photos in episode 1, she had images on her floor. When the camera zoomed out, you can see that the photos have formed into this same spiral shape.
Yep. I am not so sure it points to any involvement or awareness on her part. I think it was just symbolically showing that she's surrounded by it and yet can't see it.@@CoryD_85
I hope that this season never gets anywhere near as literal as BrainPilot is anticipating. Season 1 always kept the supernatural stuff ambiguous-- yes, Rust had scary visions, but maybe they were the result of having fried his brain with drugs. Yes, it's the mark of the cult, but the spiral is ALSO a metaphor for getting immersed in the case, for endless complexity that never gets completely resolved. It's part of the story's cues to US, rather than, say, Danvers unconsciously organizing her evidence in a spiral shape. The part all these videos seem to miss is that True Detective is really about OUR world, our present. The first season is about the rot and corruption in the institutions that are supposed to protect the most vulnerable: in that case, poor women, as Rust puts it, "the kind that get no press." Over decades, the detectives are repeatedly thwarted by the police force itself, by government, and by the church. All the pillars of society turn out to be evil, linked through a murky conspiracy. Season 2 was more explicit about the links to something like Epstein's list. Among other things, this season has in its sights: climate change, the ravaging of the earth for resources, and the long abuse of indigenous people. Buckle up...
In season 3 the blond girl who does the interviews is Marty's blond daughter sent there to extract info ,,,,,,the camera zooms in on the equipment flight case and it has a sticker that says true crime ,,,in season 1 Marty asks his old captain for some old cold case files for a TV show he's creating called true crime ,,,,,
There is a spiral hidden on Darwin's bookshelf with stickers in episode 1. They're supposed to be warning signs in-universe, so we have to assume that they are all clues / warnings. I'm going back through the season and trying find more.
I rewatched Season 1 also. There is one point where Rust says you have to ask the right questions, as Danvers often says. Nearly the same verbiage. Nice nod or more meaning? Also, when I saw the drawing in the church again, I immediately thought of the trailer and that large eyed being. Similar?
Rust lost a child, Liz lost a child, maybe it's in Ennis and environs where the spiral cult has origins by resembling the frozen beast bones and the supernatural of Alaska, then morphed into an ice warning.
Plot theory: the scientists were working on a drug, or even a microorganism, to get people closer to their "god" (a la Jacob's Ladder), and were testing it on the townsfolk causing the "supernatural" visions that people are experiencing. Someone finds out and stops the scientists.
It makes sense because there was that random fight in the bar where one of the guys was talking about the water & what’s in it. Why else would that fight have happened for us to see? I think you’re on the right track
I think the big reveal is that there will be a part II to Season 4. Like when the final season of Sopranos came out and everyone hated it. They created part II to Season 6. That's going to be the big reveal, and that's when they'll bring back the Tuttles, Marty and Rust.
Interesting!! I haven't heard anyone else speculate about a part 2 💪💪 I hope there's not only two episodes left because there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up for it to end so soon. I just hope it's not a long wait if this is the case ☺️
The 5th episode just had reference to “Tuttle industries” I remember “Tuttle” from season 1. He was the head of the ministries and ran the schools where the kids were abducted from. Obviously it’s ALL connected.
I think you’re 100% right about the devil net in the trailer. It’s probably not intentional on any character’s part, but I do think the creators of the show put it in to kinda establish all the hanging dolls and the dreamcatcher as having roughly the same function as the devil nets of season 1. There are actually a few dreamcatchers in other dwellings we’ve seen around Ennis. Probably doesn’t mean that everyone’s a cultist or anything. I think more about the minister in season 1 who first explained devil nets, how his grandmother (or aunt or someone) taught him to make them. Kinda like a broader mystical technology that the cult uses for nefarious ends. Good catch!
I think they actually rewrote a lot of the original script to mirror season 1. There’s just too many similarities and even the case is very similar. They even use lines from the yellow king book which season 1 is heavily inspired by. The tuttles are somehow involved in both seasons. The spiral seems like it is the same cult sign as the one in LA back in season 1
My theory : Rust Cohle is the cousin who sold the trailer to Clarke. Died of the same disease as his dad. The sign was in the trailer because Rust drew it. Annie and Clarke had it tattoed as a token of their secret love and it ended up driving at least one of them mad.
I was thinking the same thing. Rust's trailer has a lot to do with the symbol and the Tuttle connection is just another big money corporation causing an environmental disaster, The bad water is what is causing the hallucinations. Annie was killed by a someone working in the mine, or a group of people.
Along the shore the cloud waves break, The twin suns sink behind the lake, The shadows lengthen In Carcosa. Strange is the night where black stars rise, And strange moons circle through the skies, But stranger still is Lost Carcosa. Songs that the Hyades shall sing, Where flap the tatters of the King, Must die unheard in Dim Carcosa. Song of my soul, my voice is dead, Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed Shall dry and die in Lost Carcosa.
Since you noticed the stick shadow in the trailer, maybe you'll have an idea about this. At 7:30 in episode 2 when Rose is talking to Navarro about the dead, there is a very subtle spiral surrounding Rose in the bookshelves. Start at the big bone on the left pointing toward Navarro. It continues in the light and dark shades across the floor, up the opposite side of the sofa, up the book shelf, across toward the cone of light created by the small light, down around the curvy thing toward the pillows, across Rose to the pillows on the other side, up to and across the tilted books, along the shelf above Rose's head and finally curves around Rose's face. I have an idea based on the "thin ice" warning in episode 5- and also because Rose saved Navarro from thin ice.
The spiral is gonna have a little different meaning here. I believe it’s a sign of the core of the earth and the beginning of life there in that town and the indigenous people have used it longer than the cult in Louisiana. There’s no way they make Annie K bad in any way. They are making a statement about the mistreatment of indigenous people and more specifically indigenous women. When Jody fostered talked to the teacher he had a drawing of what was the earths core and it looked very similar to the spiral.
a scary thought: the colleagues living in the research centre, lived alongside clark's derangement. The geo teacher in the highschool noted, although their research was valiant, due to the physical nature of processing their results, it is an impossible task. Maybe this place was just a farm for sacrifices, tuttle needs to serve their deity...he
This show is definitely the best since season 1 idc what all the haters say from the first episode. Season has gotten better every episode like season 1.
I wonder why there is an ellipses on the Welcome Sign above the door to the common room in the station. "Welcomes you...!" what does that mean?!? Thanks for the recaps and explanations :D
Do you think that the direction of the spiral means anything? For instance Annie's spiral is clockwise and Clark's is counter-clockwise. The spiral on the forehead of that guy in the snow is counter-clockwise too.
I haven’t read comments, but anyone notice it’s an exact excerpt from The Dark Tower? “The fabric of things is thin and the world is old” is almost word for word. They called spots like that a Thinny. And guess who was The Man in Black, aka Red King? Matthew M. And they also had similar facilities at the Beam stations in Dark Tower. Then there’s “The gunslinger fled across the desert, and the man in black followed.” It’s literally called The Wasteland. If that’s not an Ennis type place, nothing is. In season 1, the Iron Crusader dude literally said “I need a gunslinger.” Again, Roland was literally the last Gunslinger. also, if remember, Roland and Jake had to fight the giant bear. That’s a lot of connections. Just realized the whole time is a circle thing is also in the Dark Tower. Roland/Rustin is doing the loop again and again and again. Time is a flat circle and so on.
I have a theory that Danvers is actually Rust Cohle's ex-wife! There's no confirmation that her child was a boy and we see her flashback to to a car accident that we assume killed her child. She also has no connection to Rose or doesn't try to, maybe because of her knowing Travis?? Idk if I'm TOTALLY sold on it yet but just something to keep in my mind Ps: i think the teailer used to be Cohles as well. Like his storage unit, he filled it with relics/imagery of things related to the case in Louisiana. Meaning, all that stuff was already there by the time Anne K and Clark used it to eF each other. Matne they thought the imagery was cool so they git the tattoo?
Anyone think Pete might be Danvers son? Or related somehow? Everytime I see the “asking the right questions” scene (best scene this episode by a mile) she has a motherly link. She knows the answers but lets him get there on his own with a bit of help. Just like a mother would to their child
Definitely an interesting thought process! It feels like his loyalties lie with her over everybody else in the show (even his own partner). So their relationship and his determination to progress is something which is interesting to watch. I actually think it's going to cause Pete's demise being this way!
S1 Killer Errol Childress was the bastard son of Sam Tuttle. He grew up into the Cult of the Yellow King/Carcosa/Cthulu. Which is why he knew far more than led on, had mass knowledge or was seem very literate and had a British accent. He was like “Saltburn” orphan bastard but entire family was in on it.
It been told in season 4 that the science lab was funded be Tuttle's, but I think the cult from s1 is way older then the Tuttle's. I think somehow the folklore from Alaska and Louisiana are connected and they are a reference to Hastur
I think another link to the Tuttles is the cross Navarro threw out the car window. And also there is something with the cop and his Russian girlfriend and her dad that I think will play a part too
The spiral in season 1 swirled to the right, while the spiral in night country swirls to the left. And the new spiral is less menacing. Like scribble made by a pen.
I don't think they're reaching out to Rust. He's dead. He hinted at being sick in the end of season one. The other Cole family member mentioned he had a cousin who died of cancer. His dad, who we see in ghost form, died of cancer too.
I really enjoy the True Detective Series. The entire spiral concept reminds me of John Connolly's 'honeycomb world' concept from his Charlie Parker novels. 😅
Let me preface by saying I think this season has been excellent so far with the slow burn. I'm worried that they're going to lose interest of viewers because we're in a binge society now. If everyone just stops and reflects on the first season for a moment they'll remember that it didn't really get "juicy" until episode 4, where that cinematic masterpiece of a 1 shot at the apartment complex shootout happened. Be patient everyone. I think we're in for a wild ride.
Yeah I agree about the pace. I feel it's gonna be worth the wait! At least, I hope it is. It definitely has the vibes of season 1. (It's always going to be hard to beat), but the ominous tone and complexity of the case is definitely similar.
Didn't they say that Clark kept to himself at TSALAL, where they were researching microbes preventing decay and didn't associate with the town? And he was the one who was shaking/convulsing to turn around to say, "She's awake". Maybe Clark was doing his own research and managed to resurrect Annie K? Or if it was just her spirit (haunting those who dealt with her case with them also saying She's awake), Rose said that sometimes they come to take you with them. That could explain her tongue being there, and why Clark is the one who is missing. He had his secret hideaway where he had her phone that was previously not found. And the question was why did he keep their relationship a secret along with the reveal that they both had the swirl tattoo. If I was one of the researchers who had to tolerate a weird one in the group to get the job done, I would certainly be running scared out into the cold if I saw something resurrected in one form or another.
Clark was probably part of the cult or was forced to do something to Annie by the cult - perhaps this also included a discovery of sorts or ritual sacrifice, which invoked something cosmic or truly woke up the Yellow King/Cthulu/Carcosa. Maybe it’s using the spirit/embodiment of Annie fuck with them. S1 killer Errol Childress was the bastard son of Sam Tuttle, grew up in the cult. Entire family has worship this “religion” and done sacrifices using their Churches as funding for thousand of years - much like Luciferians and the elite of today with children
@brainpilot since you've just finished rewatching season 1, why don't you do a clues and easter eggs rewatch of the first season? It would be a blast to rewatch it with you guys!
I could see marty returning and interacting with Danvers more than Rust. Rust would be able to give specific answers (which hed never do) but Marty would be able to give a 3rd person perspective and an unreliable narrator which is the style of the show.
8:37 Liz keeping it out of Anchorage is a good thing. Remember her “boss” is most likely the ex husband of the Mine executive. The Mine, and by extension the Tuttle Family, will want to cover all clues to the cult up. Liz keeping the case means they won’t have as many resources, but she will not have anyone burying her findings for political or personal reasons.
If the season ends with the connections to season 1 being nothing but Easter eggs and not having any major holding on the plot, I’m convinced they were forced to add them to create buzz for the show
All the women marked on their back with the spiral that we’ve seen previously were sacrificed. Did this woman escape somehow? The Yellow King cult don’t seem like people who let someone like her go. Maybe all the women who are involved are marked early on, but maybe don’t sacrificed for a while or ever. The first woman in season 1 had got involved with them as a church right?
The secret to the spiral is in S 4. the spiral represents our galaxy The autopsy photo that we are constantly shown is of the spiral tattoo with a star wound at the end. This wound represents the end of the earth as it explodes into oblivion Annie was Midwife in the last birthing center in the area, and a savoir of the children. She fought for them in the clinic and against the poluting mine. She was then brutally murdered and stabbed 32 times in her abdomen which represents the womb and silenced by cutting out her tongue She was a life giver and her death represents the death of all mankind she was the Alpha. The 7 dead scientist represent the 7 continents of the world who need to come together in order to save our planet. they are now dead and the sign of the universe (the spiral ) on Lund's head is now being obscured by snow or the coldness of space. the only hope is Raymond Clark as he now carries the sign. He escaped the fate of the other scientists. But he is being chased by big money and power. Rust asks a person of interest in season 1 "where were you between December 25th and January 3rd?" this will be asked of Clark. Raymond Clark, being the only scientist left, is the Omega. But as Annie's Namesake has sung to us for years "The sun will come out tomorrow" This will happen on January 3rd.. the Birthday of Sophia Cohle. This is the message Nic, Woody, and Matthew are trying to get out. they are all environmentalists, and so are many of the cast members. they used this show subliminally, with the help of many networks, to implant this in our brains.
Unpopular opinion but season 1 was great but got boring at times.... Season 2 awhile I enjoyed it, it was completely different and almost should have been a different show... Season 3 was trash, the ending was a huge let down for me.
@@10tepeyac You must still need to watch episode 2? They revealed this last episode that the dead guy in Rose's vision that led her to the bodies is indeed Travis Cohle, who would be Rust's father.
Clark seems way too obvious to be the killer here. Why would he wear her coat? Was he was missing her and kept her belongings close? Is there an Irish connection too? Clark is Irish from Dublin and Ennis is named after an Irish town, wonder if there are any other Irish references.
@@GameFiasco Rose probably imagined that she saw Travis and wandered out there by herself. Maybe just like the scientists did? Rose made a point to mention that there is a difference between that spiritual connection with seeing spirits and actual mental health issues. But that is exactly what a delusional or hallucinating person might say... especially one that doesn't want to lose the love of her life. When she saw him she didn't even act surprised. She has clearly seen Travis many times since his death. She can't let go of the past... just like Danvers and Navarro also cannot escape the past.
@@GameFiasco Rose probably just wandered out there herself following what she thought was the spirit of her dead partner. She made a point of saying that mental illness and seeing the dead and spirits are different but that is probably what a person would say if they were also suffering from mental illness. Rose is probably suffering from the loss of her partner. She cannot give up on the past no matter how hard she tries - just as Danvers and Navarro also suffer from past trauma. Factor in the constant darkness for over a month and the isolation of the very remote town that could make anyone feel disconcerted and they might start to imagine things. It seems many people in town are also experiencing imagining things.
Its possible . There are more clues hinting as such but time is moving quickly. Unless its 2 parts that could make sense. We all love Matthew Mc C but its a long shot that he comes back.
A lot of the time, even different jurisdictions create scenarios where the police miss connections in crimes even in the same states. I find it hard to believe that unless there is some crack investigator that find the similarities in the Louisiana cases, it’s far fetched imo to think that someone would make the connection in Alaska. Especially being there was cover up and interference in Louisiana from the Tuttles and at the end of season 1 I think Tuttle was a senator not the governor anymore which makes sense because there are term limits on Governors in Louisiana.
The show was set up to have standalone stories and casts. I will say that Night Country does interest me so far, a little bit heavy on the man hating, but the premise is cool and the whole corpsicle reveal was crazy. That said it just smacks of the movies of today making sequels to popular titles, nostalgia baiting fans instead of coming up with their own creative and independent storylines.
I think the killer is Annie she came back to life ala Frankenstein from Clark. That’s why she is awake and she is going to take on the town that killed her. That explains why the tongue is at the research facility. I think he used the microbes to heel her but it’s not perfect. That’s why there is weird cellular damage on the tongue.
I think the Season 1 to Season 4 connection might go the other way. Didn’t they imply Tsalal had been there a long time? And funded by the Tuttles. Maybe they brought it from Alaska to Louisiana in the 80s. Also no coincidence that Rust ends up in Louisiana to work the case; subconsciously he’s bound up in it or there was a lot he didn’t tell us in season 1.
I hope Rust and Marty don’t show up at least no more than they did in Season 3. The creator of the franchise has been casting shade on season 4 on X. I don’t entirely agree, but he specifically said McConnaghy wouldn’t be in season 4 and wasn’t the kind of guy who would show up for some cameo in season 4.
The creator of the show has nothing to do with this season like he has in the first 3. He said the connections to season one are dumb. I can tell it’s definitely different. U can tell this season was made by a women. The only strong characters are women and it starts to feel woke. I’m going to stick it out tho
Seems to be misleading the audience towards event horizon silent hill territory, lets hope not, though real life detectives and policemen do deal with the supernatural as part of their job
Let's not forget that Rust went back to Alaska for a decade after he quit his job. If he was obsessing and drinking in Ennis ... Annie K or the researchers could have found Rust ranting prior to going back to solve the case and the locals finding his research and possibly tying it into their heritage. But I also find it VERY odd that the chin Tattoo is actually tied to a white woman named Annie Oatman (a town which was a mining town and is now a tourist attraction more than anything) was abducted/saved by natives in the Mojave region and she was tattooed with their tribal symbol on her chin. It was the first thing a said WTF about bc I'm not super familiar with Native Alaskan indigenous people but the tattoo the name Annie and her story I believe ended with her 'rescue' by the government who basically stole her back and made her leave her children and husband to return to the white world. Maybe Annie K similarly stole Clark from his white world and deluded him into this new idea of his cultural identity. Just a random thought especially with this season being so women centered where what if men were not just culturally oppressed but degraded for their gender too?
One of my sisters, and my husband really dislike Matthew McConaughey. I don’t share that… but I wonder if a lot of other people dislike him. I really like this season.
Do you think there's a chance that Cohle might return? Let me know your thoughts below!
Rust is dead. He is the cousin who sold the trailer to Clarke. Died of the same disease as his dad. The sign was in the trailer because Rust drew it. Annie and Clarke had it tattoed as a token of their secret love.
Not for this season. If Rust is still alive and the actors want to play the characters again, then I think they will just do a true sequel to the 1st season.
Uhhh, That symbol in the show is the FBI verified symbol for child lovers/Pedophiles ... Don't hurt yourself doing a little research
Some coincidence is Rust being in both places the Tuttles were.
@@darrelldunn4618 Well, we know he's been there since that's where his dad lived.
Anyone else already enjoying this show ?. Even though we’re barely about to be on episode 3 . Cause I’m enjoying it !
Same I avoided the internet about this show for the first three episodes I was surprised that people were upset about this season. What’s wrong with people
Honestly, i hope Rust and Marty don't return, but maybe Danvers receives Rust's notebook. I'd like to see the characters & story stand on their own without heavily relying on season 1 nostalgia
No hell no. It would be amazing if rust and Marty come back even if it’s around the end for 10 seconds!
I’ve been itching for rust to come back lol
@@sosa5110if the two return, the first season will no longer be so special. there is every chance that the character of Rust will be ruined too, especially since Nic isn’t involved anymore
@@exploitbruhI disagree, people will end up loving season 1 more. The idea of rust in another environment will add more to his mystery, don’t forget he has a whole backstory in Texas we don’t know about.
Pizzolatto confirmed on Twitter that Rust is not returning. He isn't involved in the show anymore, but I would be inclined to believe he kept in touch with MacCounaghy.
Perfect, they said that people see the dead during the long night. They also said one thing the dead might want to do is take you with them. That would drive me crazy, especially as a scientist who you assume wouldn't believe in the supernatural.
Whenever Danvers was looking at photos in episode 1, she had images on her floor. When the camera zoomed out, you can see that the photos have formed into this same spiral shape.
Wait really?
Yep. I am not so sure it points to any involvement or awareness on her part. I think it was just symbolically showing that she's surrounded by it and yet can't see it.@@CoryD_85
I hope that this season never gets anywhere near as literal as BrainPilot is anticipating. Season 1 always kept the supernatural stuff ambiguous-- yes, Rust had scary visions, but maybe they were the result of having fried his brain with drugs. Yes, it's the mark of the cult, but the spiral is ALSO a metaphor for getting immersed in the case, for endless complexity that never gets completely resolved. It's part of the story's cues to US, rather than, say, Danvers unconsciously organizing her evidence in a spiral shape.
The part all these videos seem to miss is that True Detective is really about OUR world, our present. The first season is about the rot and corruption in the institutions that are supposed to protect the most vulnerable: in that case, poor women, as Rust puts it, "the kind that get no press." Over decades, the detectives are repeatedly thwarted by the police force itself, by government, and by the church. All the pillars of society turn out to be evil, linked through a murky conspiracy. Season 2 was more explicit about the links to something like Epstein's list. Among other things, this season has in its sights: climate change, the ravaging of the earth for resources, and the long abuse of indigenous people. Buckle up...
In season 3 the blond girl who does the interviews is Marty's blond daughter sent there to extract info ,,,,,,the camera zooms in on the equipment flight case and it has a sticker that says true crime ,,,in season 1 Marty asks his old captain for some old cold case files for a TV show he's creating called true crime ,,,,,
There is a spiral hidden on Darwin's bookshelf with stickers in episode 1. They're supposed to be warning signs in-universe, so we have to assume that they are all clues / warnings. I'm going back through the season and trying find more.
I rewatched Season 1 also. There is one point where Rust says you have to ask the right questions, as Danvers often says. Nearly the same verbiage. Nice nod or more meaning? Also, when I saw the drawing in the church again, I immediately thought of the trailer and that large eyed being. Similar?
Rust lost a child, Liz lost a child, maybe it's in Ennis and environs where the spiral cult has origins by resembling the frozen beast bones and the supernatural of Alaska, then morphed into an ice warning.
Plot theory: the scientists were working on a drug, or even a microorganism, to get people closer to their "god" (a la Jacob's Ladder), and were testing it on the townsfolk causing the "supernatural" visions that people are experiencing. Someone finds out and stops the scientists.
More holes than actual plot.
@@susivarga7303 better than supernatural bs haha
It makes sense because there was that random fight in the bar where one of the guys was talking about the water & what’s in it. Why else would that fight have happened for us to see? I think you’re on the right track
I think the big reveal is that there will be a part II to Season 4. Like when the final season of Sopranos came out and everyone hated it. They created part II to Season 6. That's going to be the big reveal, and that's when they'll bring back the Tuttles, Marty and Rust.
Interesting!! I haven't heard anyone else speculate about a part 2 💪💪
I hope there's not only two episodes left because there seems to be too many loose ends to tie up for it to end so soon. I just hope it's not a long wait if this is the case ☺️
The 5th episode just had reference to “Tuttle industries” I remember “Tuttle” from season 1. He was the head of the ministries and ran the schools where the kids were abducted from. Obviously it’s ALL connected.
Minor thing: there is a Lone Star beer bottle at the science center. Rust requested Lone Star beer.
I think you’re 100% right about the devil net in the trailer. It’s probably not intentional on any character’s part, but I do think the creators of the show put it in to kinda establish all the hanging dolls and the dreamcatcher as having roughly the same function as the devil nets of season 1.
There are actually a few dreamcatchers in other dwellings we’ve seen around Ennis. Probably doesn’t mean that everyone’s a cultist or anything. I think more about the minister in season 1 who first explained devil nets, how his grandmother (or aunt or someone) taught him to make them. Kinda like a broader mystical technology that the cult uses for nefarious ends.
Good catch!
Glad you also think the same, was worried it might have been too far fetched!
Season 3 had a lot of misdirects. I’ve been wondering if a lot of the references to season one are also misdirects.
The fact that this story wasn’t originally linked to true detective makes me think the references to season one were last minute additions
I think they actually rewrote a lot of the original script to mirror season 1. There’s just too many similarities and even the case is very similar. They even use lines from the yellow king book which season 1 is heavily inspired by. The tuttles are somehow involved in both seasons. The spiral seems like it is the same cult sign as the one in LA back in season 1
I really doubt, you cant just reshoot something like this as last minute lol
@@catbread2585 not shoot. Written in last minute. We all know this show wasn’t meant to be a true detective show
Loving this season. I am spending way too much time watching YT videos about each episode. But I highly rate this channel’s analysis and theories❤❤
Ah thanks, glad you enjoy the videos!
so in season one, they are referring to a realm called Carcosa, and the spiral is the symbol of that realm. The yellow king god possibly lived there.
My theory : Rust Cohle is the cousin who sold the trailer to Clarke. Died of the same disease as his dad. The sign was in the trailer because Rust drew it. Annie and Clarke had it tattoed as a token of their secret love and it ended up driving at least one of them mad.
Why would then the frozen guy also have the spiral on his forehead?
@@epic004 Clarke drew them
No.
I was thinking the same thing. Rust's trailer has a lot to do with the symbol and the Tuttle connection is just another big money corporation causing an environmental disaster, The bad water is what is causing the hallucinations. Annie was killed by a someone working in the mine, or a group of people.
Great theory
Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.
Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.
Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.
Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa.
The spiral unifies being and becoming through the eternal return. This referenced by Rust during the interview.
Since you noticed the stick shadow in the trailer, maybe you'll have an idea about this.
At 7:30 in episode 2 when Rose is talking to Navarro about the dead, there is a very subtle spiral surrounding Rose in the bookshelves. Start at the big bone on the left pointing toward Navarro. It continues in the light and dark shades across the floor, up the opposite side of the sofa, up the book shelf, across toward the cone of light created by the small light, down around the curvy thing toward the pillows, across Rose to the pillows on the other side, up to and across the tilted books, along the shelf above Rose's head and finally curves around Rose's face. I have an idea based on the "thin ice" warning in episode 5- and also because Rose saved Navarro from thin ice.
The spiral is gonna have a little different meaning here. I believe it’s a sign of the core of the earth and the beginning of life there in that town and the indigenous people have used it longer than the cult in Louisiana. There’s no way they make Annie K bad in any way. They are making a statement about the mistreatment of indigenous people and more specifically indigenous women. When Jody fostered talked to the teacher he had a drawing of what was the earths core and it looked very similar to the spiral.
a scary thought: the colleagues living in the research centre, lived alongside clark's derangement. The geo teacher in the highschool noted, although their research was valiant, due to the physical nature of processing their results, it is an impossible task. Maybe this place was just a farm for sacrifices, tuttle needs to serve their deity...he
This show is definitely the best since season 1 idc what all the haters say from the first episode. Season has gotten better every episode like season 1.
I wonder why there is an ellipses on the Welcome Sign above the door to the common room in the station. "Welcomes you...!" what does that mean?!? Thanks for the recaps and explanations :D
Do you think that the direction of the spiral means anything? For instance Annie's spiral is clockwise and Clark's is counter-clockwise. The spiral on the forehead of that guy in the snow is counter-clockwise too.
I did think that but then part of me thought about how it was taken from a selfie in the mirror so it might be reversed because of that?
Season one spiral that’s frequently shown goes one direction where the spiral in the season goes the other. There is a correlation for sure.
I haven’t read comments, but anyone notice it’s an exact excerpt from The Dark Tower? “The fabric of things is thin and the world is old” is almost word for word. They called spots like that a Thinny. And guess who was The Man in Black, aka Red King? Matthew M. And they also had similar facilities at the Beam stations in Dark Tower. Then there’s “The gunslinger fled across the desert, and the man in black followed.” It’s literally called The Wasteland. If that’s not an Ennis type place, nothing is. In season 1, the Iron Crusader dude literally said “I need a gunslinger.” Again, Roland was literally the last Gunslinger. also, if remember, Roland and Jake had to fight the giant bear. That’s a lot of connections. Just realized the whole time is a circle thing is also in the Dark Tower. Roland/Rustin is doing the loop again and again and again. Time is a flat circle and so on.
I have a theory that Danvers is actually Rust Cohle's ex-wife! There's no confirmation that her child was a boy and we see her flashback to to a car accident that we assume killed her child. She also has no connection to Rose or doesn't try to, maybe because of her knowing Travis??
Idk if I'm TOTALLY sold on it yet but just something to keep in my mind
Ps: i think the teailer used to be Cohles as well. Like his storage unit, he filled it with relics/imagery of things related to the case in Louisiana. Meaning, all that stuff was already there by the time Anne K and Clark used it to eF each other. Matne they thought the imagery was cool so they git the tattoo?
Damn this makes sense
Oh you are not alone in this theory. I’m actually kind of sold that this is the case.
wow, whaaaaat?? that would be wild
Nope don’t think so. Rust name drops his ex wife as Claire in season 1 episode 2 when talking about his stint in the psychiatric hospital
@@willd4491 damn, really?? I literally just watched season 1 looking for her name! I thought that was the daughter's name
Anyone think Pete might be Danvers son? Or related somehow? Everytime I see the “asking the right questions” scene (best scene this episode by a mile) she has a motherly link. She knows the answers but lets him get there on his own with a bit of help. Just like a mother would to their child
Definitely an interesting thought process! It feels like his loyalties lie with her over everybody else in the show (even his own partner). So their relationship and his determination to progress is something which is interesting to watch. I actually think it's going to cause Pete's demise being this way!
@@BrainPilot I agree. Everyone he knows is telling him to not stay loyal to Danvers but he does anyway. There has to be a reason
Did anyone see the body in episode 1 season 4? About minute 5:50? That rushes by the delivery man?
Thanks. Keep doing this for the next episodes🙋🏿♀️
S1 Killer Errol Childress was the bastard son of Sam Tuttle. He grew up into the Cult of the Yellow King/Carcosa/Cthulu. Which is why he knew far more than led on, had mass knowledge or was seem very literate and had a British accent. He was like “Saltburn” orphan bastard but entire family was in on it.
It been told in season 4 that the science lab was funded be Tuttle's, but I think the cult from s1 is way older then the Tuttle's. I think somehow the folklore from Alaska and Louisiana are connected and they are a reference to Hastur
Yeah that's true! It'll be interesting for the origin of the cult to be delved into
Minor detail but might mean nothing-why is there snow on Clark’s jacket? Hmmm
I think another link to the Tuttles is the cross Navarro threw out the car window.
And also there is something with the cop and his Russian girlfriend and her dad that I think will play a part too
I think she is a catfish scammer
That cross freaked out the cop and the memory of some kind of possession with the female
That symbol reminds me of the Fibonacci sequence, the golden ratio and the nautilus shell.
"The Cult" is larger than the Tuttles, larger than Louisiana. Think of it as a religion with churches worldwide.
The spiral in season 1 swirled to the right, while the spiral in night country swirls to the left. And the new spiral is less menacing. Like scribble made by a pen.
Copycat cult?
Thanks for this video! I am enjoying this season quite a bit but have been craving that first season. Thanks for all your breakdowns! Cheers! 🐚
Glad you enjoy the vids! Yeah rewatching season 1 was a great time!
I don't think they're reaching out to Rust. He's dead. He hinted at being sick in the end of season one. The other Cole family member mentioned he had a cousin who died of cancer. His dad, who we see in ghost form, died of cancer too.
The swirl symbol is the portal to Carcosa that Rust sees in the last episode of season 1
I really enjoy the True Detective Series. The entire spiral concept reminds me of John Connolly's 'honeycomb world' concept from his Charlie Parker novels. 😅
Let me preface by saying I think this season has been excellent so far with the slow burn. I'm worried that they're going to lose interest of viewers because we're in a binge society now. If everyone just stops and reflects on the first season for a moment they'll remember that it didn't really get "juicy" until episode 4, where that cinematic masterpiece of a 1 shot at the apartment complex shootout happened. Be patient everyone. I think we're in for a wild ride.
Yeah I agree about the pace. I feel it's gonna be worth the wait! At least, I hope it is. It definitely has the vibes of season 1. (It's always going to be hard to beat), but the ominous tone and complexity of the case is definitely similar.
@@BrainPilot I think this season is perfectly casted & I really think the story is gonna pull together nicely.
I think true detective has shown me. Is that being a cop on your own Is like being part of a colt.
Didn't they say that Clark kept to himself at TSALAL, where they were researching microbes preventing decay and didn't associate with the town? And he was the one who was shaking/convulsing to turn around to say, "She's awake". Maybe Clark was doing his own research and managed to resurrect Annie K? Or if it was just her spirit (haunting those who dealt with her case with them also saying She's awake), Rose said that sometimes they come to take you with them. That could explain her tongue being there, and why Clark is the one who is missing. He had his secret hideaway where he had her phone that was previously not found. And the question was why did he keep their relationship a secret along with the reveal that they both had the swirl tattoo. If I was one of the researchers who had to tolerate a weird one in the group to get the job done, I would certainly be running scared out into the cold if I saw something resurrected in one form or another.
Clark was probably part of the cult or was forced to do something to Annie by the cult - perhaps this also included a discovery of sorts or ritual sacrifice, which invoked something cosmic or truly woke up the Yellow King/Cthulu/Carcosa. Maybe it’s using the spirit/embodiment of Annie fuck with them. S1 killer Errol Childress was the bastard son of Sam Tuttle, grew up in the cult. Entire family has worship this “religion” and done sacrifices using their Churches as funding for thousand of years - much like Luciferians and the elite of today with children
None of them had any contact with the town and they never had any visitors either. Why? Not clear yet but that is why they dated in secret.
@brainpilot since you've just finished rewatching season 1, why don't you do a clues and easter eggs rewatch of the first season? It would be a blast to rewatch it with you guys!
Great stuff! Have you looked into the origins of the word "Tsalal?" There are a few odd connections.
Keep it up @brainpilot !
I've not actually. That's something i'll keep in mind for my next video. Glad you enjoyed the video!
In hebrew it means to be or become or grow dark
I could see marty returning and interacting with Danvers more than Rust.
Rust would be able to give specific answers (which hed never do) but Marty would be able to give a 3rd person perspective and an unreliable narrator which is the style of the show.
Yeah that's fair!
8:37 Liz keeping it out of Anchorage is a good thing. Remember her “boss” is most likely the ex husband of the Mine executive. The Mine, and by extension the Tuttle Family, will want to cover all clues to the cult up. Liz keeping the case means they won’t have as many resources, but she will not have anyone burying her findings for political or personal reasons.
If the season ends with the connections to season 1 being nothing but Easter eggs and not having any major holding on the plot, I’m convinced they were forced to add them to create buzz for the show
A positive critique of
season 4 !! Well done.
To many half wits ripping it to shreds .
All the women marked on their back with the spiral that we’ve seen previously were sacrificed. Did this woman escape somehow? The Yellow King cult don’t seem like people who let someone like her go. Maybe all the women who are involved are marked early on, but maybe don’t sacrificed for a while or ever. The first woman in season 1 had got involved with them as a church right?
"She" maybe Annie. The symbol is the key. Maybe it resurrected her.
I'd like a season 5 that keeps this story going and that's when you bring in Rust if he's still alive
I don't see how the finale isn't going to suck.
Poor mary fonteneu
It has basically been confirmed on Twitter that Rust isn't going to be in this season.
Exactly, Nic Pizzolatto said MM would never return.
Nic is so salty can't trust a thing he's saying
No way Rust comes back, but the connections continuing would be great
Yeah the connections are really interesting to see!
Evangeline is the female bringer of Good News or Savior ❤
The secret to the spiral is in S 4. the spiral represents our galaxy
The autopsy photo that we are constantly shown is of the spiral tattoo with a star wound at the end. This wound represents the end of the earth as it explodes into oblivion
Annie was Midwife in the last birthing center in the area, and a savoir of the children. She fought for them in the clinic and against the poluting mine. She was then brutally murdered and stabbed 32 times in her abdomen which represents the womb and silenced by cutting out her tongue
She was a life giver and her death represents the death of all mankind she was the Alpha.
The 7 dead scientist represent the 7 continents of the world who need to come together in order to save our planet. they are now dead and the sign of the universe (the spiral ) on Lund's head is now being obscured by snow or the coldness of space. the only hope is Raymond Clark as he now carries the sign. He escaped the fate of the other scientists. But he is being chased by big money and power.
Rust asks a person of interest in season 1 "where were you between December 25th and January 3rd?"
this will be asked of Clark.
Raymond Clark, being the only scientist left, is the Omega.
But as Annie's Namesake has sung to us for years
"The sun will come out tomorrow"
This will happen on January 3rd.. the Birthday of Sophia Cohle.
This is the message Nic, Woody, and Matthew are trying to get out. they are all environmentalists, and so are many of the cast members.
they used this show subliminally, with the help of many networks, to implant this in our brains.
Also,ref'd in s3: called the crooked spiral sex cult,associated w/that seasons child killing+kidnapping...
I didn't watch season 1,2, or 3 but I'm hooked on season 4. This is a brilliant show.
then, you should definitely watch season 1, you ll love it!!
You trippin. You gotta watch season 1 asap like yesterday. That single season made it one of the best TV shows of our generation.
If you think season 4 is brilliant...then watch season 1!
Unpopular opinion but season 1 was great but got boring at times.... Season 2 awhile I enjoyed it, it was completely different and almost should have been a different show... Season 3 was trash, the ending was a huge let down for me.
@@TV-cx2zw season 3 was 🔥
Time is a flat circle.
espero ver ese Cameo! MUY BUENA LA TEMPORADA
6:28 Im pretty sure Rust was tripping out.
Something that was interesting is that Rust did spend time in Alaska…
Rust thought his dad had some strange ideas. Coming from Rust that must mean he's the most interesting man in the world.
Yeah that's a good point. Before heading back to Louisiana in 2010. Could be some kind of impact there
@@BrainPilot I have heard theories that the guy in the visions might be his Dad
@@Spruce_Bringsteen what if the dead guy who pointed out the dead people is his Dad who died of leukemia
@@10tepeyac You must still need to watch episode 2? They revealed this last episode that the dead guy in Rose's vision that led her to the bodies is indeed Travis Cohle, who would be Rust's father.
Clark seems way too obvious to be the killer here. Why would he wear her coat? Was he was missing her and kept her belongings close? Is there an Irish connection too? Clark is Irish from Dublin and Ennis is named after an Irish town, wonder if there are any other Irish references.
She was wearing his coat actually.
Northern Exposure should be related to this as well
I hope it shows a little bit of Rust’s life in Alaska. He would clearly be doing some PI work. But that probably won’t happen. 😓
Yeah that would be good! I'd like that
The spiral is also on the back of Childress. Made with scars.
Ah good spot!
I am perplexed why so many people keep thinking that people are seeing actual dead people or spirits.
The constant darkness messes with people .
That's an interesting thought to be fair!
Most logical explanation but how did Rose find the bodies then ?
@@GameFiasco Rose probably imagined that she saw Travis and wandered out there by herself. Maybe just like the scientists did?
Rose made a point to mention that there is a difference between that spiritual connection with seeing spirits and actual mental health issues. But that is exactly what a delusional or hallucinating person might say... especially one that doesn't want to lose the love of her life. When she saw him she didn't even act surprised. She has clearly seen Travis many times since his death.
She can't let go of the past... just like Danvers and Navarro also cannot escape the past.
@@GameFiasco Rose probably just wandered out there herself following what she thought was the spirit of her dead partner.
She made a point of saying that mental illness and seeing the dead and spirits are different but that is probably what a person would say if they were also suffering from mental illness.
Rose is probably suffering from the loss of her partner. She cannot give up on the past no matter how hard she tries - just as Danvers and Navarro also suffer from past trauma. Factor in the constant darkness for over a month and the isolation of the very remote town that could make anyone feel disconcerted and they might start to imagine things. It seems many people in town are also experiencing imagining things.
You did not explain why Leah called Navarro "Liz"
Its possible . There are more clues hinting as such but time is moving quickly. Unless its 2 parts that could make sense.
We all love Matthew Mc C but its a long shot that he comes back.
Yeah it's true! I feel it would definitely be tough for them to get him back
A lot of the time, even different jurisdictions create scenarios where the police miss connections in crimes even in the same states. I find it hard to believe that unless there is some crack investigator that find the similarities in the Louisiana cases, it’s far fetched imo to think that someone would make the connection in Alaska. Especially being there was cover up and interference in Louisiana from the Tuttles and at the end of season 1 I think Tuttle was a senator not the governor anymore which makes sense because there are term limits on Governors in Louisiana.
I season 1 episode 1 Rust confirms he grew up in Alaska.
Rust is from Alaska so I’m hoping an Appearence… he’s also exec producer this season as well
He and Woody have been executive producers on all 4 seasons of the show.
@@simonezoe I’m Hip. Hence the reason I said “ this season as well” ………………
I would like to see rust or marty again. But done good
Yeah only if it's done well!
The show was set up to have standalone stories and casts. I will say that Night Country does interest me so far, a little bit heavy on the man hating, but the premise is cool and the whole corpsicle reveal was crazy. That said it just smacks of the movies of today making sequels to popular titles, nostalgia baiting fans instead of coming up with their own creative and independent storylines.
I think the killer is Annie she came back to life ala Frankenstein from Clark. That’s why she is awake and she is going to take on the town that killed her. That explains why the tongue is at the research facility. I think he used the microbes to heel her but it’s not perfect. That’s why there is weird cellular damage on the tongue.
It's definitely a plausible theory!
I thought Annie was found dead by Navarro?How could she have escaped?
What about the Lighthouse?
I think the Season 1 to Season 4 connection might go the other way. Didn’t they imply Tsalal had been there a long time? And funded by the Tuttles. Maybe they brought it from Alaska to Louisiana in the 80s. Also no coincidence that Rust ends up in Louisiana to work the case; subconsciously he’s bound up in it or there was a lot he didn’t tell us in season 1.
Tsalal backwards is La last Louisiana last
I hope Rust and Marty don’t show up at least no more than they did in Season 3. The creator of the franchise has been casting shade on season 4 on X. I don’t entirely agree, but he specifically said McConnaghy wouldn’t be in season 4 and wasn’t the kind of guy who would show up for some cameo in season 4.
That's fair!
How do you know that Travis was Rust's father?
It was confirmed in this season
It’s the Night King!!!! And the cult is actually the children of the forest. Oh wait wrong series
For the night watch
😂 😂
They were discussing the fact that Rose can see dead people...well there's a sentence.
They would be quite old at this point.
The Yella Keeng
We all know rust is the yellow king and went to Alaska to start up the cult there.
You sound like those interviewers from season 1 🤔😂
@@BrainPilot that would be a pretty nice twist, and it would kind of make some sense.
weird i rewatched season 1 yesterday to! if we dont see these characters again it will be a fucking travesty
Seasons 1 and 4 only ons worth watching
At least you're rating season 4!
I think that Marty or Rust returning would be awful
There's a part of me that would love it though
The creator of the show has nothing to do with this season like he has in the first 3. He said the connections to season one are dumb. I can tell it’s definitely different. U can tell this season was made by a women. The only strong characters are women and it starts to feel woke. I’m going to stick it out tho
What if your all wrong
agent navarro is the killer
Do you think?!
Do some actual research on what that symbol means. How did you allegedly juat rewatch the first season and you still diont get it?
Seems to be misleading the audience towards event horizon silent hill territory, lets hope not, though real life detectives and policemen do deal with the supernatural as part of their job
Let's not forget that Rust went back to Alaska for a decade after he quit his job. If he was obsessing and drinking in Ennis ... Annie K or the researchers could have found Rust ranting prior to going back to solve the case and the locals finding his research and possibly tying it into their heritage. But I also find it VERY odd that the chin Tattoo is actually tied to a white woman named Annie Oatman (a town which was a mining town and is now a tourist attraction more than anything) was abducted/saved by natives in the Mojave region and she was tattooed with their tribal symbol on her chin. It was the first thing a said WTF about bc I'm not super familiar with Native Alaskan indigenous people but the tattoo the name Annie and her story I believe ended with her 'rescue' by the government who basically stole her back and made her leave her children and husband to return to the white world. Maybe Annie K similarly stole Clark from his white world and deluded him into this new idea of his cultural identity. Just a random thought especially with this season being so women centered where what if men were not just culturally oppressed but degraded for their gender too?
I feel like the acting has taken a step backwards this season
One of my sisters, and my husband really dislike Matthew McConaughey. I don’t share that… but I wonder if a lot of other people dislike him.
I really like this season.