Learn Finnish Cases #3: GENETIIVI Singular (the basics)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- Finally continuing my Finnish cases series. In this video we will go over the Finnish "Genetiivi" (or genetive case in English).
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As cases in Finnish are a pretty massive area to go over, this video will only focus on the basics of the singular forms of the genetiivi. The plural forms and other topics involved with genetiivi will be talked about in later lessons.
Here is the link to the list with (most) of the postpositions used with genetiivi: www04.edu.fi/suomeaolehyva/soh...
Hope this video helped clear things up at least a little :D
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I just found you out. And in 1 day I've understood years of lessons. You explain them better than most schools do. The teaching skills are important 👌🏽
Wow I’m so glad! Kiitos!
What helped me to understand why postpositions use genetiivi was to think about it like "The glass is in front of the camera" as "The glass is in the camera's front" so that it's kind of as if the camera possessed its front, so you use genetiivi for the camera (possession) and the inessive case for the front because the glass is inside that front. So kameran edessä = camera's front (that's where the glass is).
It's not the most natural way to say it in English but I like to think that it's how the Finnish language interprets the situation! Does that make sense to you guys? I hope I'm understanding it correctly!
In Hindi and Bangla, the genetiivi case postpositions works very much like this.
The genetiivi form of "Sidney" is "Sidney'r" (in Bangla) or "Sidney'ka" (in Hindi)
Sidneyin edessä -> Sidney'r samne
Sidneyin takana -> Sidney'r pechhone
Sidneyin kanssa -> Sidney'r saathe
Sidneyin lelu -> Sidney'r khelna
Kiitos niin paljion!
Could you do a continuation of the Finnish cases? I believe that this would severely help serious Finnish learners because there is very limited information on this specific subject. For example, it is easy to find a simple definition but hard to find examples, suffixes and conjunction tips all in one source.
Thank you and have a good day lol
your tip for remembering case endings is actually genius!! kiitos paljon!
I’m glad it’s helpful!!
It’s awesome that you’re still making videos. I came across your channel maybe six years ago when I began researching Finnish culture. I’m finally learning the language and it’s refreshing to happen upon your videos again. Very cool.
Wow that's crazy! Yep, here I am still hahah xD
it's truly amazing how those declensions work, sometimes they are the same over the languages, in Latvian with some prepositions genitive can be used, but sometimes dative is used instead. You should cover also geninitive-partitive differences which can easily confuse speakers of non Finno-Ugric languages (me delved into Estonian and Livonian a little) so it is funny to see the differences even there
Yes! I plan to cover partitive after finishing the genetiivi! :)
Kat, thank you soooo muuuch for your work and your videos! I adore watching them! You explain really clearly, and you are such a positive person! Thank you ! :)
Wow thank you for such a kind comment. Kiitos todella paljon and I'm glad this video was helpful!
This is a perfect example of the direction to go in. Cause Duo Lingo just kind of throws the words in without explaining, so this gets people doing something that any amount of making lists wouldn't get to.
Oh I'm really glad you think so, thank you so much!
Kiitos Kat! Your videos are big help for me. I'm learning Finnish language now. I'm going through all your videos. Hyvää päivää!moi moi.
Kiitos paljon! I'm happy to hear that :D
Rakastan sun videoja! Ja pidän että annat puhukielenki formit. Odotan videoja geniitivin pluralia ja partitivin 🙌🙌🙌 You're an amazing teacher. Oot hyvä opettaja!
Kiitos paljon! :)
Thanks for the video Kat. The lesson in this video was very useful to me. Thanks again.
Glad it was helpful! :D
so glad you made this video! On Speakly I was exposed to a few sentences with täytyy and pitää and I didn’t really understand the structure. So glad this cleared things up!
Oh I'm glad to hear that! :D
Thank you for the video. Main main case-related struggles so far are: case government (rektio) and consonant gradations for different word types in different cases,
I received the postcard today. It was wonderful. Thanks!!
Wow, I'm glad it's arrived so quickly! You are welcome and thanks for participating in the raffle! :)
Gracias a la persona que agregó los subtítulos en español😎✌️
hi kat, you really help a lot to us non-finnish speakers! i hope you can make allativi case video
kittos paljon kat💐
Kiitos :)
I loved it. So simple if compared to russian language.
Very clear and simple. Great teaching. Thanks
Thank you so much! Kiitos!
Excellent truly helpful 😊👍
Now got clarity about genetiivi case .
Thank you so much!
I love your teaching skill… 😍😍😍
Thank you! 😃
Please Never stop doing this Kind of Videos cause you explain it so well!!!
Oh that's so kind of you to say. Kiitos!
@@KatChatsFinnish 💖💖💖💖💖💖
Thank you!
Kiitos paljon! May I ask if you did continue this Genetiivin theme? I can't find any other videos about it.
I will absolutely only remember niallin kenkä, liamin paita and zaynin tukka - One Direction is helping me learn finnish cases i love it
Yaaay!! I love that too xD
Kiitos paljon ystäväni !
Kiitos!
Thank you for this vedio. I get about Genetiivi now. 😀
Wonderful!
Kiitos
This was a great lesson! Where are the followup videos on genetiivi?
Kiitos paljon..sinä olet kiva 😊☺🌺
Mukava kuulla - kiitos paljon!
Thanks!
Thank you so much for your generous support for my channel, it is greatly appreciated ^-^
Very nice
kiitos!
Looking forward for partitiivi case from you.
I’m scared to make it xD
Do they use the accusative case like in German?
I like your video, so can you do about illatiivi ?
kiitos opettaja olet hyvaa opettaja
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kiitos kat ! your video is really awesome !! when you talk about Adam Lambert, it's a little borderline confusing on whether i can re-structure the sentence.
esimerkiksi:
"mene adam lambertin kanssa kauppaan" can it also written as "mene kanssa adam lambertin kauppaan" ?
i mean is it okay to directly translate from english to finnish ?
You would always put "kanssa" after who you are doing something with :) Sorry it was a bit confusing!
Sinä olet tosi hyvää opettaja
Kiitos paljon
Kiitos!
Would you use the genitive for the dog's bone (the bone belongs to the dog) and the dog's bone (one of the bones in his body)?
Yeah both would be “koiran luu”
Thank you. I'm not sure how much of it soaked in. Where does Minulla and sinulla fit in? Is that different in some way from having something? Maybe that's one of the upcoming topics you mentioned.
Hahaha well hopefully a little :)
minulla and sinulla are adessive forms of the basic forms. They are used to say that you literally have something which is different than when you are indicating possession in other words, who something belongs to.
@@kuningas-l1b Thank you for that explanation.
1) *Minulla on kirja* 'I have a book'
2) *Kirja on minun* 'The book is mine'
3) *Kirja on minulla* 'The book is (temporarily) on my possession'
1 with that word order is spesific basic sentence type called *omistuslause* . By using that I introduce the book in the conversation and tell that it is mine.
2 Now the book is definite, I don't have to introduce it anymore. I say that it is mine using genitive. I can also say *Tämä on minun kirjani* 'This is my book'
3 This is like 2, but I don't own the book. Sentence 3 is an answer to question *Kenellä kirja on?* 'Who has the book? [ *Kenellä on kirja?* means 'Who has a book?' and answer for that is sentence 1. ] I have loaned the book from library or friend, so I keep it now, but it is not mine. This is why we talk about sentence types like in 1, *Minulla on kirja* and *Kirja on minulla* don't have the same meaning. In 3 adessive has more typical local meaning than in 1, in which it expresses 'to have' in omistuslause.
Awesome! Kiitos opettaja. One question. When you say "minun pitää lukea kirja", why don't you say kirjan just like you did with kauppan?
Oh! The "kauppaan" word is in illatiivi case form (so not in genetiivi). The illatiivi ending is -an for the word "kauppa". (yes confusing I know..!!) Illatiivi answers the questions "mihin" so where. So the sentence: I'm going to the store is using the illatiivi case. Kirja isn't answering the question "mihin" so don't need a case :)
@@KatChatsFinnish thank you for clearing that up. I looked into it afterwards and remembered that i had seen that case for into like taloon going into the house and then it made sense. It's difficult to remember all those cases.
very understandable
Kiva :D
Moi ja kiitos 🌹🙂
Terve, Kat! Olen aina kiitollinen videoistasi. Andrea in Atlanta, Georgia
Kiitos!
I watch your every video ... please let me clear what is the difference between partitive or genetiivi
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That is cool. In English I thought it is mostly called possessive or genitive, sometimes. In Japanese you do の (no) and in general grammar is surprisingly similar to Finnish. And you bringing up puhekieli in a written form is cool. My Finnish father used to resort to physical violence to discourage me from using puhekieli while talking to my friends in Stadi (Helsinki). I ended up in California as a result. For seven years I had a girlfriend in Helsinki where I spent May - September each year, she was here two months out of the year on average. I made a point of emailing her in puhekieli. That was well received. Where do you think that is going to go? In Norway they have Bokmål (written Danish essentially) and Newnorsk. That doesn't seem to be going anywhere. And you speak perfect American English and Finnish, I have an accent in both.
Puhekieli is still very common here, you will hear it everyday when you go out and about. I don't think it will change anytime soon. I have actually never heard of anyone discouraging it's use unless it's in the context of written reports for school (in which case you had to use kirjakieli). I grew up bilingual so I have been using both languages since I was born :)
If I'm not wrong you used the -N at words ending on an A,E,U,O,I,Y and the -in at the other endings, right? :)
In general yes
Hey there, thanks for the video.. I'm a Canadian living Finland. I am studying Finnish.. my question is why "mene" and not "menet" Adam Lambertinkanssa kauppaan. I understand Mennä is a verb type 3 and the kit is applied and all that. What is the difference between me e and menet? Thank you in advance.
KPT*
@@The990990990 "mene" is the command form of "mennä" so that means I am telling you to go to the store "GO to the store" (as in a command/telling you to do something). "menet" is more neutral and would be more like "you go to the store"
Hope I understood the question!
Aka "imperatiivi" something I don't know yet lol..
How about JANETH maam..how to put an ending ?😊
YEAH
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Hey! Your diary says ‘Beautiful Scotland’! Were you there recently?
I live in Aberdeen Scotland, I’m moving to Finland soon!
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Yes! I was there for 5 weeks during the fall and lived in Edinburgh for my undergrad! :D I LOVE Scotland haha! Good luck with your move to Finland soon, hope everything goes well :)
@@KatChatsFinnish - Excellent! What did you study?
Today I used “Kantaa kortensa kekoon” for the first time! 😂 My Wife who is Finnish replied with “How do you know that?!”
Erinomainen Katja! Se on hauska kuulla irlantilaisia nimiä genetiivissä!
Hahaha niinpä xD
noin, siisti!
But shouldn't it actually be "minun kanssani", "sinun kanssasi" etc?
10+. Have you already taught compounds?
Huva😊
Divisioonan kausi oli suomalainen näyttelijä ja
10.0 minun mielestäni="in my opinion" seems to be quite a common expression, so we get 'niiden mielestä kukaan muu ei aherra', for example. I heard that the use of 'kanssa' has declined because it became overused in speech and regarded as a cliché.
Hmm, I don't think I've heard about that myself, but maybe in some areas this could be true
Partiivi moniko
Me - Marc
I have a motorbike
Tämä on Marcin moottoripyörä
(This is Marc's motorbike)
Marc ei ole ajanut moottoripyörällään pitkään aikaan
(Marc hasn't ridden his motorcycle for a long time)
Ehkä on aika ajaa sillä taas...
(Maybe it's time to ride it again...)
I used Google translate so don't be surprised if there is a lot of wrong with this heh
It's actually very good!
11:28 Minun pitää lukea kirja tai minä pidän lukea kirja...now I'm bit confused over here 🤔
confused for what? Minun pitää lukea kirja - I have to read a book.
minä pidän lukea kirja - I like to read a book
@Daniel Kelly thanks, got it...its all getting mixed up in my head...minun pitää harjoitella lisää ☺️☺️
@@kuningas-l1b Actually "minä pidän lukea kirja" means nothing. It should be, e.g., "Minä pidän kirjan lukemisesta." or "Luen mielelläni kirjaa" or...
Sul on kyl nii ASMR ääni ku olla ja voi 😍
Hahaha onko xD Kiitos :D
Saunan takana
Sinun videos are also ASMR 🥴
Kiitos xD
As a native English speaker, I'm a bit puzzled by something you said. For me, "must" and "have to" mean exactly the same thing. I don't understand what the difference is that you were driving at.
The meaning is slightly different.
For me it feels the same too, but when I was reading about it online it seems that must has a slightly stronger meaning than have to
'My car is getting old. I have to get a new one.' 'My car has broken down. I must get it fixed.'
@@Poliss95 Nope--I could reverse your examples with no change in meaning.
The difference in English is the infinitive: to have vs the imperative: must + verb. So like: if you want to have breakfast, you must go to the table. It's a bit different to reverse them because "You must have breakfast so then you have to wind up at the table." Gets the imperative and infinitive mixed up.
mä opin paljon sulta
i love how you have to explain any grammatical category to English speakers cuz their language is so poor xd
Thanks!
Thank you so much once again for your generous support towards my channel. I truly appreciate your kindness and I hope you will continue to enjoy my videos in the future too. Have a lovely day, kiitos paljon! :)