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- Brother Hashim speaks to a visiting atheist about the understanding of this world and how a creator fits into it and how without one, life truly doesn't make sense.
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Hatun is a test from Allah
And also an example of someone who has transgressed in her stubbornness that she's blind to it.
😂😂😂😂
I agree Allah loves those who are more Patience and Hatun is the test she will make you angry, but are you going to be angry or patience like those who Allah loves🤲🏽
I like that there is no shouting. Just a peaceful conversation I like it
yet you can still hear hatun in the back...(sigh)
Dean Jefferson was about to say 😂😂😂
@@a.faizzudinmohdjaafar5971
Hi-tune is a test for us as well 😂
Dean Jefferson Hatun i hear to North Macedonia where i live🙉
Me too. It is nice to conduct a peaceful rational conversation but then there are people and situations when things go out of "control" 😊👍
This young atheist has much better manners and adab then Muslims that was questioning Adnan Rashid
11:30 in the background
A brother puts his backpack carefully in front of the praying man.
He brought a smile on my face.
I don't understand why he did that or why it put a smile on your face.
@@FirstnameLastname-dm2xl A sutrah (Arabic: سترة lit., "screen, cover") is an object used by a person performing salat as a barrier between himself and one passing in front of him. The person praying should be positioned at less than or equal to three forearms' length away from the Sutrah. The Sutrah’s height must be no less than one forearm's length (i.e. the height of the rear end of a camel's saddle), whereas its width has no stipulated size. The Sutrah is compulsory for anyone performing salat (unless a Sutrah cannot be found after searching)
Edit: i'm not sure if it's compulsory, all I know is that it is a sunnah, sorry for the quick copy paste
@@chkonana8532 compulsory? And here i thought it was when in public, and not in privat solat like at home
@@a.faizzudinmohdjaafar5971 I'm not really sure if it's compulsory, I was just searching for its name and quickly copied it from wiki, all I know right now is that it's a sunnah, and it should be followed.
Love brother Hashim with his perfect logic and knowledge 💕🍃
May Allah guide this Boy. He seems to be really interested in knowing his creator.
this awesome guy wants to learn and reflects and think about what hashim is telling him, my respect
Oh my God, I can hear hatoon in the background! Her voice is extremely annoying 😂
Imagine living in the same household with her 😂😂
@@marianali7951 that's more of a nightmare rather than just plain imagination but really if you could help her revert it would be good srsly check out Hatuns story.
@@manizaaatif1159 revert hatun!?? Sounds to me like mission impossible. May Allah guide her
@@Kaaaapie79 anything is possible if you believe in Allah
She probably broke my phones speaker😂😂😂
Mashallah may Allah bless brother hashim
Such a nice gentleman. May Allah guide him. Ameen
ALHAMDULILLAH
to
BROTHER HASHIM
for the BRILLIANT DAWAH
i watch episodes scdawah channel Brother Hashim
and if i am not mistake
since 2012 or 2015 till now
Brother Hashim active at speakers corner
i just want to wish
'WELLCOME TO THE BATTLEFIELD DAWAH SPEAKERS CORNER'
to BROTHER HASHIM
May Allah give him a good health
INSYA ALLAH
malaysia❤️
Ameen ya rabb may Allah reward him best in Dunya and Akhira love br Hashim ❤🙌
Why don't we see jay smith and his team of christian missionaries in speaker's corner debate ateists or agnostics. Will pay good money to money to watch those videos.
😂😂😂
😂 good point..
@Se Ou so true they talk more about our religion
@@bobbylobby840 ok pagan
@@bobbylobby840 if copy and paste was a competion you would be the champion
Oh god, hutuns voice still haunts me
Ma sha Allah a very excellent and quite discussion.
Good analogy from brother Hashim.
MashaAllah... Amazing logic from brother Hashim.. May Allah give him more Eman, knowledge and wisdom.. And May Allah guide all those who seek the truth
Much respect to both of them .. respectfully convo
I am glad Bro Hashim bring or starting discussion from its core as we Reed any book from 1st page, and our page is the creation of the universe, till that established we mustn’t move to next step, this will help the Atheist to have a pause, it will let them to think, and contemplate 🤔 of course for those who want to, than you move to next point, it’s just when a child start schooling, where he start in the university, may be some atheist might not be comfortable with this approach as they have no answer nor their peers, جزاك الله خيرا .
MashAllah beautiful Dawah , Love Brother Hashim
﴿قُل سيروا فِي الأَرضِ ثُمَّ انظُروا كَيفَ كانَ عاقِبَةُ المُكَذِّبينَ﴾ [الأنعام: ١١]
Say, "Travel through the land; then observe how was the end of the deniers."
- Saheeh International
﴿قُل لِمَن ما فِي السَّماواتِ وَالأَرضِ قُل لِلَّهِ كَتَبَ عَلى نَفسِهِ الرَّحمَةَ لَيَجمَعَنَّكُم إِلى يَومِ القِيامَةِ لا رَيبَ فيهِ الَّذينَ خَسِروا أَنفُسَهُم فَهُم لا يُؤمِنونَ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٢]
Say, "To whom belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth?" Say, "To Allāh." He has decreed upon Himself mercy. He will surely assemble you for the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. Those who will lose themselves [that Day] do not believe.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَلَهُ ما سَكَنَ فِي اللَّيلِ وَالنَّهارِ وَهُوَ السَّميعُ العَليمُ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٣]
And to Him belongs that which reposes by night and by day, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
- Saheeh International
﴿قُل أَغَيرَ اللَّهِ أَتَّخِذُ وَلِيًّا فاطِرِ السَّماواتِ وَالأَرضِ وَهُوَ يُطعِمُ وَلا يُطعَمُ قُل إِنّي أُمِرتُ أَن أَكونَ أَوَّلَ مَن أَسلَمَ وَلا تَكونَنَّ مِنَ المُشرِكينَ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٤]
Say, "Is it other than Allāh I should take as a protector, Creator of the heavens and earth, while it is He who feeds and is not fed?" Say, [O Muḥammad], "Indeed, I have been commanded to be the first [among you] who submit [to Allāh] and [was commanded], 'Do not ever be of the polytheists."
- Saheeh International
﴿قُل إِنّي أَخافُ إِن عَصَيتُ رَبّي عَذابَ يَومٍ عَظيمٍ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٥]
Say, "Indeed I fear, if I should disobey my Lord, the punishment of a tremendous Day."
- Saheeh International
﴿مَن يُصرَف عَنهُ يَومَئِذٍ فَقَد رَحِمَهُ وَذلِكَ الفَوزُ المُبينُ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٦]
He from whom it is averted that Day - [Allāh] has granted him mercy. And that is the clear attainment.
- Saheeh International
﴿وَإِن يَمسَسكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلا كاشِفَ لَهُ إِلّا هُوَ وَإِن يَمسَسكَ بِخَيرٍ فَهُوَ عَلى كُلِّ شَيءٍ قَديرٌ﴾ [الأنعام: ١٧]
And if Allāh should touch you with adversity, there is no remover of it except Him. And if He touches you with good - then He is over all things competent.
- Saheeh International
Mr hashim is a very nice person... great debate
I dont get why an atheist asks if there is God why is there suffering........ bro if no one was to suffer in the world what's the point of heaven I mean if the earth was fun for everyone then why would anyone want heaven, you already have earth.
No but even if you take God out of the equation and just ask why is there suffering? The answer still wouldn't satisfy them. I mean we live on a planet that is constantly changing, there are so many factors in play, climate, environmental not just human. You can be walking down the road and an earthquake hits and you die. Why is that seen as unfair? That's just how the world works we aren't living in utopia. I seriously don't understand why the suffering question is seen as this big controversy.
Nice points, both of you
@@aishaarshadalam3412
But if your claim is there is a god, then both suffering and not suffering does not make sense.
Could a god have created an earth with no suffering ? Yes. Could he or she have created an earth without varying levels of suffering, ie childhood terminal disease and cancer, yes.
Why put us through all the pain and torment just for his or hers pleasure ?
If there truly is a god, and it has all the omni titles, it doesn't need to test us and put us through a life of torment, take our children from us, allow serial killers and rapists to affect our families, when this god is omniscient and has therefore created us (allegedly) knowing our full life ahead of us, so this means we have no free will because an omniscient omnipotent god has put us on a path that they designed just so they could watch the show ? Wtf !!
What a complete deuche bag of a monster would do that ?
And then we need to sit in heaven, worshipping this monster, knowing that people we loved on earth are not there with us, because this all loving god threw them in a pit of fire for eternity, and there's nothing we can do about it ! This would by definition not be a "heaven" for me, It by definition would be hell..
I mean, we believe God to be the All-Knowing, All-Wise. Our failure to understand the wisdom behind something He did doesn't mean that there is no wisdom behind it, period.
@@emaanserghini1919
Ok, so you're suggesting there's wisdom in putting us through a terrible life, as a test that he or she already knows the outcome of ??
Explain how this act is wise? Its incredibly stupid if its anything at all.
If a god has all the omni titles, why do we have earth at all ? Why not just put us straight into a pit of fire or a heaven and be done with it ?
The fact that he or she knows our destiny and outcome, choices etc is by definition pre destined, hence we are just robots acting out his or her little childish game..
There's nothing remotely intelligent about that at all, whether you can understand it or not, its juvenile and its just a huge sim game that your god plays for pleasure.
jazak Allah khair brother Hashim .
Good discussion !!
Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah ,while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have ,willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam) and to Him shall they all be brought back. (QS Al Imraan: 83)
Thy Lord does create and choose as He pleases, no choice have they (on the matter) Glory to Allah ,and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him) .(QS Al Qasas: 68)
It is He Who created you, and of you are some that are Unbelievers ,and some that are Believers ,and Allah sees well all that ye do.(QS At Taghabun: 2).
We showed him the Way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful (rest on his will) .(QS Al Insaan: 3)
Where are you going?
Verily this (the Qur'an) is no less than a Reminder to (all) the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns) .(QS At Takwir: 26-27)
Masha Allah very good explanation.
I am grateful to Allah i found him by birth. And I am grateful to Allah for providing me a grate common sense.
God not just powerfull and intelligent God also Wise
maybe we feel the owner of this human body but actually we can't control all the movement of the organs in the body or control the flow of blood which means humans are created and moved in this life cannot be separated from God's rules
Assalamualaikum Brothers and Sisters. ..
Nice explaination from Brother Hashim. .. Excellent. .. Alhamdulillah. .. Bismillah. .. In Sya Allah. .. Allahumma Aamiiin.
Thanks for sharing.
Sunday school mashâ Allah
MashaLLAH
Ultimately Islam makes us better people because its a *way of life*. That's what the tests are for. It's about how we react to a calamity or even prosperity. Even in prosperity its a test to see if we are thankful to our Creator and/or if we will help others in calamity. We are not perfect; we might fail some of these tests but in the end we know we will return to Allah. It's about being humbled by acceptance. How does that not make us better?
If we reject life is a test, then what's the point of us being on earth? There would even be no point in morality. That's why we see some of highest suicide rates in the world are those with atheists majority countries.
If we say "There's none worthy of worship but Allah alone", then we have to get rid of our ego of self-importance and self-entitlement and accept the guidance that comes with it. Everything else becomes easy. May Allah guide us and those seeking Him.
GOD NOT SHOWING US IF WE COMMAND
Nice kid
Assalaamu'alaikum Syaikh Hasyim from Indonesia
Empirical evidence is not about objectivity. It is based on experience and observation.
Also secondary goodness cant take place such as helping those in need if there never were people in need or if negative "bad" things never took place
19:30 that man behind doing infinity with his mobile to locate the GPS Direction.
Hashim talks about infinite regress and uses a book being passed along a queue of infinite people which will never reach you. I have a couple of points to clarify in this 'analogy'.
Am I waiting at the end of the queue? I can't be as an infinite queue can't have an end.
Where does the book start it's journey? An infinite queue can't have a beginning.
So how can the scenario even be conceptualised?
The only way is that the book is somewhere along the queue at some finite (unknown) position, and I am at another finite position along the queue so I will receive the book in time. May have to redefine the concept of the infinite queue.
Thoughts?
Admire your knowledge Brother Hashem may Allah reward you for your efforts. You are an amazing speaker. I will follow to learn from you. 🤲
If you're not a particle physicist, it's hard to give comprehensive Big Bang answers.
كتاب براهين وجود الله للدكتور سامي عامري
رابط التحميل
براهين وجود الله
www.aricr.org/ar/?p=723
Cannot accept a finite effect can be caused by infinite entity.
I wish to see with atheists and agnostics the very satisfying and mighty Hashim that I usually see with Christians and Trinitarians.
If we all were made perfectly happy and righteous, we will have no purpose in life, no free will. Everyone will act like robots. But we have free will we can chose to do evil or good. Allah had to implement his attributes by creating and testing us.
and for in heaver forever , we don't really know how we like to live on heaven , if you think it now it's kinda like will boring in the end ,but we don't really know how its gonna be
Hatun voice 😅😅😅😅😅
Beautifull voice isnt it. Is she married??😨😰😱
Hatun is the reason I always carry earplugs with me.
The universe expanding is in the quran
Hadooooken!!!
You have to debate with other religions on the stage you know you have to show them the real religion
Very childish idea of Hashim: "We cannot explain reality, so it must be a God. But no way we are ignorants, right? Must be a God !" Childish thinking ! Our inability to think, to conceptualize is NOT a proof for existence of a superior force ! Hashim, wake up, reality flows around you, you live an illusion based on irrationality. You have to claim a Nobel prize, Hashim. For ignorance, of course.
PLEASE DO NOT RECORD WITHIN A 50 MILE RADIUS OF THE LOVELY HATUN. JZK.
Muhmmad hijab is brining islam down when he opens his mouth 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 thanks for the interview with yasir
You are bringing this comment's section IQ down by commenting
1) Everything that has a biggining of its existence has a cause of its existence.
2)the universe has a biggining of it's existence therefore:
3) the universe has a cause of it's existence
4) if the universe has a cause of it's existence then that cause must be at some point uncaused because of the impossibility of the infinite regression of cause, and basicaly this question arise because you are supposing that this fist cause is part of the univers, and the law of this univers applying to him, so basicaly you are supposing that this uncaused cause existed before existing....and it's simply an illogical argument
5)
The submission of this univers to unchangeable strict laws means that there most be a maker who imposed this laws
The fine tunning can't come from randomless or chaos
6) Affectional proof:
the feeling that we have are not part of the matter of the univers and we can never be able to demonstrate physicaly the amont of feelings we have so, it have to come from something out of this univers witch is not mater nor energy nor place nor time.
And remember something can't come from nothing.
7) Conclusion: conceptual analisis of this uncaused cause needed : conscions ; powerful ; intelegent...
Then there is a man in 7th century claim to be the messenger of this cause(allah) therefore:
What is the caracter of this man (mohamed):
Liar-deluded-demonic-true
What is the product he came with?
Quran and sunnah
(Quran= the words of allah)
(sunna = teachings ,what he did what he said..)
- Science fact about atheist/agnostic
th-cam.com/video/VbdJt97f2GM/w-d-xo.html
strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/
www.google.com/amp/s/www.alternet.org/2013/04/even-atheists-fear-word-god-study-suggests/amp/
The atheist who deny the existence of God :
Even Atheists Fear the Word ‘God’, Study Suggests
Perhaps the emotional response measured in this study is an echo of that previous belief. If so, it suggests that even for committed non-believers, it’s difficult to totally erase the idea of God from one’s psyche.
- Science about after death
th-cam.com/video/X26NQB-DiGM/w-d-xo.html
www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20181125/Human-brain-may-stay-active-for-hours-after-death.aspx
Researches of Dr.Sam Parnia 2018 confirms that the person after his death can hear around him.
Our prophet Mohamed pbuh told us this information from the 7th century.(how could he know that?)
(Sahih bukhari 3980 / Book 64, Hadith 32)
The Prophet (ﷺ) stood at the well of Badr (which contained the corpses of the pagans) and said, "Have you found true what your lord promised you?" Then he further said, "They now hear what I say."
(Sahih Muslim Book 53, Hadith 86)
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
When the dead body. is placed in the grave, he listens to the sound of the shoes (as his friends and relatives return after burying him).
- Stady : Thinking About God Calms Believers, Stresses Atheists
www.livescience.com/8434-thinking-god-calms-believers-stresses-atheists.html
Quran 27:14
And they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof, out of injustice and haughtiness. So see how was the end of the corrupters.
Quran 39:45
And when Allah is mentioned alone, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter shrink with aversion, but when those [worshipped] other than Him are mentioned, immediately they rejoice.
Quran 13:28
Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of Allah . Unquestionably, by the remembrance of Allah hearts are assured."
- happiness and religion
psychcentral.com/blog/this-emotional-life-why-does-religion-make-people-happier/
- Kids and religion
www.livescience.com/1465-study-religion-good-kids.html
Quran 30:30
So direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth. [Adhere to] the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created [all] people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah . That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.
(Fitrah mean innate or inherent)
And in sahih bukhari Book 23, Hadith 112
the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone)
Which side are you on I dont get it.
Food for thought
what is the full name brother Hashim ?
Why is their a severing because it's a test and we are here for some time
I agree with you brother Hashim, but I disagree in your approach with this individual.
I'd ask him what he meant by suffering on Earth if there's a creator that made things in a balance. I would have directed him to the notion that bc he is human, blessed with the ability to distinguish good from bad, thats why there's evil here
Some people act on good from the test(s) of this life, and others behave other than.
So God created this as a part of the universe for the deeper purpose of preparing the hereafter.
Does that make sense? You follow?
Why I hear hatun voice in every video🙄
did i hear hatun in the background sound?? she's really loud!!
Ants, nearly & maybe too??
Translate Indonesia brother
Scdawah nusantara, biasanya hanya telat beberapa hari
Which country is Hashim from?
When was it proven allah is all knowing, all honest, all merciful, omnipotent etc?
When were any of his attributes proven?
@Salmaan UKi actually have the same answer as yours i.e. All the time, when i was reading Sane Flow's question and BEFORE i clicked on your reply 🙂
Oh Christian friends your religion is man made fusion with Roman God . Islam is true way of life come to Islam to get unlimited peace'in heart'
The Quran says their is only one Islam
Salam Brother Hashim. It would be wonderful if you avoid Puma brand. I see that you are wearing Puma brand shirt. Thank you brother.
part 2?
La hawla wa la quwati illa billah hatun shut up
faintly heard in the distance howls of a female heiyena. The base of the animal, even though it has been beaten many times, was tabbed until it was hanged.
Bentar lagi masuk islam tuh dia insya Allah 😁 karena anak mudah lebih mudah untuk menerima kebenaran dgn berfikir dibandingkan orang yg sudah tua😂
Insya Allah
Fortunate? I want my life to end ASAP
Why is living for eternity regarded as a good thing ?
paul512bmi soul is created to life eternal. if good soul eternal in paradise
@@jackma3730
Your comment does not answer my question.
@@paul512bmi dont you wanna live for eternity and always happy in paradise? no more death. everybody wants to life with their loved ones in happines for eternal. point 2 a murderer thinks that after death there is nothing No no he will be punished for his deeds and thats justice.
@@jackma3730
No, I dont want to live for eternity. That would be hell.
@@jackma3730
If my friends and some family are not there with me, and I know they are in hell and theres nothing I can do about it, and I have to reflect on that for eternity, that would also be hell !
Instead of proving that God does exist, try to prove the opposite
Hmmm
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براهين وجود الله
www.aricr.org/ar/?p=723
@@ballabadr3572 بارك الله فيك
at white time are these events happening?
They are there every sunday.
خشخشه خشخشه الخشخشان خشخشه خشخشه الخشخشان خشخشه خشخشه الخشخشان الخشخشه خشخشان خشخشه في نبض القلب نظم القلب نضم القلب القلب والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا وباقي الاعراض وباقي وباقي وباقي التفاصيل والاشياء والاحداث والمواضيع وتفاصيل لمدكرتاش ومالم ادكرها واقولها واشرحها والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا
كح كحان بسبب القلب دم والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا اعراض خطيره هادي عرض خطير لمرض قلبي خطير للاسف الشديد والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا وباقي الاعراض وباقي وباقي وباقي التفاصيل والاشياء والاحداث والمواضيع وتفاصيل لمدكرتاش ومالم ادكرها واقولها واشرحها والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا والخ وغيرا
Two puzzles etc etc
Failed to show god.
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I find Hashim's explanation here quite inaccurate in a number of ways. He makes multiple mistakes in trying to communicate an argument. By the way, I love the brother, so it's not like I'm dissing him or anything like that, but these topics really require you to use correct statements. So for example, Hashim says that; "we know that something cannot come from nothing". This is false. I know what he's trying to say, but when you phrase it like that, then it's simply incorrect. We know for a fact that something can come from nothing. Something's coming from nothing all the time. In fact, everything is constantly coming from nothing.
He further says that; "nothing doesn't even exist as a concept". This again is inaccurate. Nothing does exist as a concept, but it doesn't exist as a reality. If it didn't exist conceptually, then we wouldn't even have a word for it, and we wouldn't be discussing it. Conceptually, nothingness exists. It even has this weird grey area, in which it semi-exists as a reality. Non-existence is certainly possible, after all. It is possible for things to stop existing, but as soon as they cross that border, so to speak, they desolve into nothingness. It's a weird dynamic where non-existence can become true/real, but as soon as it does, it's no longer anything at all. Don't try to wrap your head around it. So I guess it's valid to say that nothingness doesn't exist, as a reality, but conceptually, it does exist as a possible 'state of being', although, ironically, it's not an actual state of being.
This might sound like I'm nitpicking now, but in Islamic theological discussion, people tend to avoid using the term 'cause', and Hashim uses it a lot. It's fine to use it, as long as you're not implying that Allah is 'the cause'. That has to do with the fact that Muslims can't make up names for Allah that He Himself didn't reveal, or that aren't indicative of His beauty and His majesty. Referring to Allah as a cause is considered an ugly reference, and so the theologians usually didn't use that word.
It's actually the case that the entire universe and everything in it is constantly coming into existence from a preceding state of non-existence, is subsequently annihilated, and again created anew. And this is then repeated. So this doesn't just apply to the origination of the universe 13,5 billion years ago; but it applies to every single moment. There is no cause and effect in the world, but everything's constantly in a state of emerging and being annihilated. But this might be a bit too much for new-comers, so you'd go to the origination of the universe (or the Big Bang, or singularity, or whatever terminology is popular), and prove your point from there. I just think it worth mentioning that Allah is the Creator of everything that exists that isn't Him Himself or His attributes, and this includes all moments in time, and all events throughout time, and throughout the universe. It also includes the six directions (space), human beings and their incidental characteristics, including their actions, words, intentions, thoughts, beliefs, etc. This is the position of orthodox Islamic theology, throughout the centuries.
To briefly return to my initial statements. The correct way of saying what I mentioned in my 'critique' would be that something cannot come from nothing without a preceding cause. Something does come from nothing, as I said, and we know this, because the future, for example, isn't extant yet, so when a new event begins to exist, then it's preceded by its non-existence. Hence; it comes from nothing, or it emerges out of a preceding state of non-existence. It's just that it cannot accomplish this without a preceding cause. We know that the universe didn't exist once, and only Allah existed, and so the universe emerges out of a state of nothingness (non-existence).
To prove that something that begins to exist requires a preceding cause, one might envision a particle coming into existence. This emergence is either necessary, possible, or impossible. Since it is proposed that the event occurred, then the event couldn't have been impossible. If the event is necessary, then this means that its emergence is a must, in which case we can ask whether this necessity is intrinsic to the particle, or extrinsic to it. Meaning; it either necessitates its own emergence, or some external factor is forcing its emergence. Since the particle didn't exist yet, it's not possible to ascribe the necessity of its emergence to itself, because that which doesn't exist cannot have intrinsic properties, as this would require it to exist. In other words; in order for the particle to cause its own emergence, it would have to be an actor that is going to perform the action of bringing itself into existence, which is contradictory, as the particle would have to exist and not exist, simultaneously. So we're left with the second option: the supposed necessity of the particle's emergence must be due to some external, preceding cause that is other than the particle itself. If we assume that the emergence of the particle is not necessary, but merely possible, then this means that the particle could've emerged, or it could've just as well stayed non-extant forever. So here, since it did emerge, then its emergence was somehow favored over its previous state of non-existence. The emergence of the particle outwheighs the alternative, and so what can be said about this outweighing is that it's again, intrinsic to the particle itself, or extrinsic. There is no third alternative. And again, because the particle was non-existent, then the non-existent cannot chose to emerge, for the same reason that was mentioned before. We know then that this outweighing pertains to an external, preceding cause. This shows you that we know for certain that something cannot come into existence without an external cause. This doesn't prove "God" yet, it's just to take away the excuse that we don't know if something could come into existence without a cause, because I've seen atheists go for that one.
Everything that begins to exist, therefor must be caused by a preceding 'other'. From there, the problem of the infinite regress comes into play. And you then look at the difference between an intinsically necessary existence, and an intrinsically possible type of existence, or what it is called contingent. That which begins to exist, exists as a possibility. Meaning that it can exist, or it can not exist. The theologians say that the possible in existence accepts non-existence (as a possible state of being), because it begins to exist, and so its existence is preceded by non-existence, and it can cease to exist, and thus fade away into a state of non-existence. Hence; it accepts non-existence as a possibility. The necessary in existence MUST exist, and does not accept its own non-existence as an option. So it exists, and it always exists, and has always existed, and can never cease to exist. There's nothing in the world that fits that type of existence, but this type of existence is necessary in order to explain the emergence of contingent existences. So that's where the mind starts to 'find' God, if we take this purely rational approach. It branches off into many other rational proofs. These arguments, however, aren't really required for most believers, because belief is something that isn't just occurring in the mind, but it's also a deeply spiritual matter. Kalaam then functions as a means to explain theology where necessary, and to refute deviant ideas, but it's not really meant for common people as such, as it can be complex and lead people astray.
@Salmaan UK No I literally quoted him at 2:22 That's what I mean: you gotta select your words more carefully. The kid immediately agrees, but if that were me, I'd immediately pick up on the mistake and point it out. I also find Hashim's entire tone kind of insecure here. If this topic is somewhat difficult to discuss, then I wouldn't recommend bringing it up in the first place. You've got to be very much aware of what it is that you're communicating. If your opponent is familiar with the topic, and he starts asking difficult questions, and you then can't deal with that because you've only learned the basics of Kalaam, then an opponent can make it seem as if the argument is flawed.
"I’m curious to know as to what comes from NOTHING?"
All of creation.
That's the answer to your question. But it's important to explain what you mean when you formulate the question like that. I interpret it as: "What originates?" or "What emerges without precedence?" I then say "the entire universe", and this is correct, as Allah says in the Qur'an: "Originator of the heavens and the earth..", which means that the universe is created without precedence. Or: all of creation comes from a preceding state of non-existence (i.e. nothingness). But it's possible that you mean: "What begins to exist without a preceding, external cause?" If that's your question, then my answer is that there is no such that. Nothing begins to exist without a cause. You see the difference in meaning? So if you ask people that question, make sure you clearly communicate what you mean by "from nothing".
@Salmaan UK I replayed it several times, trying to see (hear) if he isn't actually saying: "do you know that nothing doesn't exist, it's a concept", but it really does sound like he says: "do you know that nothing exists as a concept". At any rate. I believe he knows the difference. I just pointed out the fact that you've got to pay attention. Like I said, I'm not trying to embarrass him, it's just to comment on it.
"If NOTHING does not even exist how can all creation come from nothing?"
Nothing there means: the non-existing. Before the universe emerged, it was non-existent. Before the future arrives, it's non-existent. The past is no longer existent.
"Allah created ALL CREATION by His command and that is not nothing"
No, you see, now you're referring to a causation, whereas I distinguished between "nothing as a cause", and "nothing as the non-existent". There's a difference.
@Salmaan UK I've explained myself sufficiently, I'm not looking for a debate. I can comment on the contents of a video, and if you do not grasp the intended meaning of my comment, then I can't help that. Assalaamu aleikum.
I will destroy hashim.
He said nothing can come from nothing. So based on what he said. God cannot bring nothing from nothing.
Thx for your try hashim. Welcome to atheism
The universe had a cause there for god too funny
Not necessarily, The universe had a cause and that cause had a cause and it can go on ad infinitum, and you would not have universe at all. The First cause is necessary and must be uncaused.
Does the universe need a first cause?
@@daniellemeeks3862 Not necessary universe per se, but the components that initiated the universe does, As nothing can come from nothing, nor things react with each other without any suitable conditions. Nothing is absence of everything. Reactivity itself is a functionality which cannot be present innately unless it has been already imbued to the components of universe.
There are finite causes that led to existence. The point is, it is necessary for there to be a first initiator or else a infinite regress would result in the universe not existing. This is logical and rational. The label for this first initiator is "God"
i see always athiest only give emotional claims
Got 1 minute in and the kalam nonsense started... move on guys, find a better argument...
@Salmaan UK I see, and that's why the majority of physicists are theists now... oh wait.. they're not... gee, wonder why if it is such a solid case and has been around for such a long time?!
@Salmaan UK Prove that everything that begins to exist needs a cause - then prove that just because a phenomenon that exists within the universe can applied to the creation of the universe itself. By the time you have done that, you will have 2 nobel prizes - then we can move on to the next objections.
@Salmaan UK YOU just admitted you can't prove the first premise (I admitted no such thing about consciousness, I even provided an example of the evidence you requested). And I don't "concede" that I have no clue where the universe came from - it is my position all along that we don't know, so it is nice you have come on board with that too.
Edit: To clear up confusion, the consciousness issue referenced was discussed on another thread
@Salmaan UK YOU are the one that believes the universe came from nothing. You believe there was god and nothing else... and god made the universe. What did he making it from, nothing or something?
@Salmaan UK I don't know, neither do you. I can cope with not knowing - you make up answers to unburden yourself. How can it be a strawman if I am referencing the claims of your religion? In the beginning there was only god - and god made the universe. What did god make the universe from?
Hashem is bad Man , always lies...
It's a lie to you because one, you're just a youtuber commentor. Two, you're not hear to listen but to trash someone's video because you're being prejudice and biased at the start. Be like the white boy example, he respects Bro Hashim's argument even though he may disagree with the theory.
Bro Hashim's logic supports the late Prof. Stephen Hawking's theory as well. But Quran have already explained it 1400 years ago.
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Unfortunately, he doesn't understand the Christian maining. He doesn't live in love and peace.
@@roodycharles-pierre662 John (jesus have god)
20 : 17
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
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1 Corinthians (authority of the father on jesus even after his "death")
11 : 03
3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God
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(N.T, Mark 12:29,+ O.T Deuteronomy 6:4 ( most important commandment)
12:29
"Which commandment is the most important of all?"
29 Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God,the Lord is one.
29 فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «إِنَّ أَوَّلَ كُلِّ الْوَصَايَا هِيَ: اسْمَعْ يَا إِسْرَائِيلُ. الرَّبُّ إِلَهُنَا رَبٌّ وَاحِدٌ.
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Malachi 3:6
(God dosnt change his nature from devine to human)
6 "For I the LORD do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed
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Book of 1 Timothy
(god is immortal)
1:17
To the King of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.Amen.
Book of 1 Timothy (god is immortal)
6:16
15which he will display at the proper time--he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen
(Immortal=never die and according to you jesus died!!)
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Matthew 7:21
(Next coming of jesus, against christians)
21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
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Mark 13:32. ; matthew 24:36 ; Niv version matt 24:26
(Jesus dont know the hour)
32 "But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
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Numbers 31:17
(Kill childs)
17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
18 But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
Matthew 15:3-4
3 He answered them, "And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.'
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(Ot)Ezikiel 18:20
(The original sin!)
20 The soul who sins shall die.The son shall NOT suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
21 "But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.
O.T Ezikiel 18:30
(God forgive sins without blood sacrifice)
30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord GOD. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin.
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1 PETER 1:17
(The father judge!)
17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,
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JOHN 17(father the only true god)
1 When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, "Father,the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,
2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.
3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
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محمد صلى الله عليه و سلم.
JOHN 16: 12-15
(Prophesie of mohamed pbuh)
12 "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
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Deuteronomy 18:18
(Prophesie of mohamed pbuh)
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.
19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will call him to account.
Deuteronomy 34:10
(If you think is jesus??)
10 And there has not arisen a prophet since in Israel like Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,
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Genesis 17:20
(Prophesie of mohamed pbuh)
20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I have blessed him and will make him fruitful and multiply him greatly. He shall father twelve princes, and I will make him into a great nation.
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Isaiah 42:11
(Prophesie of mohamed pbuh)
11 Let the desert and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar(genesis 25:13 kedar son of Ishmael) inhabits; let the habitants of Sela sing for joy, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
(genesis 25:13 kedar son of Ishmael)
(Sela: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sela_(Saudi_Arabia)
Montain in medina in actual saudi arabia)
(Take a time and look at quran 53:1-5 it says:
In the name of Allah the most Merciful
1, By the star when it descends,
2, Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,
3, Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
4, It is not but a revelation revealed,
5, Taught to him by one intense in strength -
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Exodus 7 :1
(E lu him dosnt mean plural all the time)
1 And the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.
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Mark 1:15
(Jesus had the "true"gospel whitch mentioned in the quran)
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."."
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Matthew 13:57
(Jesus is a prophet)
57 And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household."
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Matthew 26:39
(Jesus praying falling in his face like Muslims do)
39 And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, "My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will."
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John 5:30
(Is this sound like god !!!)
30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
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@@roodycharles-pierre662 Christian what?? Killing Native Americans is love?? Killing the South American aborigines in name of spanish inquisition is love?? Crusaders were full of love. KKK are the leaders of spreading love. European Colonials Christians spread so much love that the entire world is in debt to them.
@@roodycharles-pierre662 Yeah he doesn't follow Christians, he follows Christ, especially what he said in John 17:3