@@tlevans62 we have brought the boxer 8x8 and we also have the bush master (big brother of the hawkei) so we have all the vehicle types we need for a small army (but still very modern and technical capable). With all three of these vehicles the missions and weapon diversity they provide us with plenty of options and choices. So no reason to look at any other wheeled vehicle types right now
NatCav8 That’s incorrect, I served 4 years with 2/14 light horse. A light armoured 6x6 is a capability we lack and need. The extra pay load offered on a light armoured mobile platform is very versatile. In a near peer engagement the g-wagons are a terrible option for deployment. They are what we considered “koalas” or home duties. We need an armoured utility with a heavier payload, we even pushed for a 6x6 bushmaster in around 2012 and that fell on deaf ears because of the g-wagons coming.
We could have it in Poland already. Maybe even local production for the European market. Aussies have their manufacturing, and they are using it with success. Solid protection close to the one the German Fennek has but Fennek can't get lighter while this one is more modular.
Thales is a french company, cooperate with other country when they developp programm in response of foreign needs. Kind of contract that used south africa with dassault aviation when they developped their own plane from a french mirage base
after reading your comments: France is currently looking for a vehicle of the same size to join the scorpion program! thales is one of the major players in this program! it is for this reason that the hawkei could be selected and modified to integrate it, but currently nothing is decided! this is why it is possible that hawkei are made in france but this is only a guess!
I think Thales is a french company so it is highly possible to make it in France. Australia has orders 1100 of them so would be a good idea for them to be made in France as there would be a bit of a backlog with orders
@@Heimrik01 panhard a été absorbé par arquus il me semble. Je comprend que le crab plaise. Moi j’aime bien le scarabée sa mobilité est impressionnante et il est badas. Maintenant il faut voir les critères les plus importants fiabilité, facilité de maintenance, prix, qualité de protection... Le hawkei remplit beaucoup de ces critères. dans l’ensemble je trouves que les véhicules du programme scorpion sont bien pensés, notre armée de terre va faire un bon technologique et il est temps vue le nombres de gas qu’on perd a cause des IED en se moment!
yes i imagine it very well in the scorpion program, the serval is much bigger, it would need a small fast and agile vehicle like that or the scarab of arquus
NZ just got some bushmasters to replace some of armoured pinz and unarmoured mogs, would make some sense and get these to replace the rest of the armoured pinzgauers.
They woud probably offer these to NZ as well. With the ANZAC alliance it might take a few join exercises be fore some to the NZ military analysis to look at it seriously. Bushmaster can hold more people than the Hawkei and have a bigger cargo area so that could be why they upgraded with the bushmaster first. With a small military with a limited budget they probably need to prioritise what program will be chose
@@egypthobby pretty sure we went with bushmasters because they are a proven type, hawkei is relatively new and still yet to be feilded in any decent numbers. The NZ army have 60 armoured pinz in varying roles and considering the bushmasters are to take on more roles like ambulance then it would seem we are a few short of full replacement. TBH I do not see pinz and bushmaster in the same class anyway and more in between pinz and NZLAV in terms of size and role so something smaller will be needed either way to fill the gap.
@@regregan5755 Armoured Pinis were parked up for years and largely unused. They could not get up a well known hill in Waiouru. These were acquired via an absolute cluster of a program that was a political appeasement to the 5th column that was the Alliance party in 2000 by the opportunist in Charge- Commissar Clark. Running prior to that was a program across 5 eyes to standardise on a new gen of HUMVEE that was to be made RHD or LHD but with various swappable modules and armour kits that would have provided something almost suitable for the War of Terror. But Alliance were against it cos it involved the US and NZ First sniffed an opportunity to appear like they were doing something. The Bushies here are only for that elite unit based in Paps. The remainder of the new build Bushies are still on their way. But should start arriving in the next several months. Hawkei will be looked at but there are several concurrent programs so progam staff are largely already tasked.
@FUCK SHIT Je me demandais ce qu'il allaient mettre comme armement là dessus, merci pour le lien. Je préfère le CRAB de Panhard ou le Scarabée d'Arquus.
hum scorpion? vous êtes sur? ça ressemble pas au Serval du program Scorpion. (et encore moins à un griffon ou jaguar) ça ressemble pas non plus au PVP qui est hors Scorpion. Dans la vidéo, ils parlent plutôt des autrichiens je crois. Et un peu des polonais.
L'appel d'offre est lancé? Pour quel type de véhicule exactement? Apparemment, il n'y a pas longtemps, le besoin n'était même pas encore définit précisément (dixit un général face à l'assemblé). D'ailleurs, pour tout le monde ça semble assez flou la future utilisation de ce véhicule (et donc son profil). Il devrait être entre le serval et le PVP, mais à part ça ...
Not even close. The Hawkei is far superior and far stronger than a Humvee. This thing is designed from the ground up to withstand blast from IED's and Mines. Go and check photo's of Humvees that have been hit by IEDs. It now also sports a remote weapon station.
This is not the Humvee class vehicle. It's double the weight of the HMMWV when it is not overloaded. Humvee barely moves in terrain when gets over 4,5t.
They are a great vehicle. The safety to the crew is a key component. Australians are already using it.
robert johns true.
robert johns agreed, a six wheel drive version of both would be a fantastic idea.
@@tlevans62 we have brought the boxer 8x8 and we also have the bush master (big brother of the hawkei) so we have all the vehicle types we need for a small army (but still very modern and technical capable). With all three of these vehicles the missions and weapon diversity they provide us with plenty of options and choices. So no reason to look at any other wheeled vehicle types right now
@@egypthobby I agree, we have a lot of options now.
NatCav8 That’s incorrect, I served 4 years with 2/14 light horse. A light armoured 6x6 is a capability we lack and need. The extra pay load offered on a light armoured mobile platform is very versatile. In a near peer engagement the g-wagons are a terrible option for deployment. They are what we considered “koalas” or home duties. We need an armoured utility with a heavier payload, we even pushed for a 6x6 bushmaster in around 2012 and that fell on deaf ears because of the g-wagons coming.
We could have it in Poland already. Maybe even local production for the European market. Aussies have their manufacturing, and they are using it with success. Solid protection close to the one the German Fennek has but Fennek can't get lighter while this one is more modular.
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this an Australian Thales program not far from production .
Thales is a french company, cooperate with other country when they developp programm in response of foreign needs. Kind of contract that used south africa with dassault aviation when they developped their own plane from a french mirage base
Yes. Like the Bushmaster, designed by Thales Australia.
Its Australian full stop. French company yes, designed in Australia by Thales Australia, Frenched owned Australian designed and built.
@kroooassant Designed by Thales Australia, Australian designers!
@FUCK SHIT Wow, someone has a grumpy persona. Chill out dude!
after reading your comments: France is currently looking for a vehicle of the same size to join the scorpion program! thales is one of the major players in this program! it is for this reason that the hawkei could be selected and modified to integrate it, but currently nothing is decided! this is why it is possible that hawkei are made in france but this is only a guess!
I think Thales is a french company so it is highly possible to make it in France. Australia has orders 1100 of them so would be a good idea for them to be made in France as there would be a bit of a backlog with orders
Dieu Lui même
A mon avis, ils vont arrêter leur choix plutôt que le Scarabée de Arquus, dommage j'aurai préféré le CRAB de Panhard.
@@Heimrik01 panhard a été absorbé par arquus il me semble. Je comprend que le crab plaise. Moi j’aime bien le scarabée sa mobilité est impressionnante et il est badas. Maintenant il faut voir les critères les plus importants fiabilité, facilité de maintenance, prix, qualité de protection...
Le hawkei remplit beaucoup de ces critères.
dans l’ensemble je trouves que les véhicules du programme scorpion sont bien pensés, notre armée de terre va faire un bon technologique et il est temps vue le nombres de gas qu’on perd a cause des IED en se moment!
yes i imagine it very well in the scorpion program, the serval is much bigger, it would need a small fast and agile vehicle like that or the scarab of arquus
NZ just got some bushmasters to replace some of armoured pinz and unarmoured mogs, would make some sense and get these to replace the rest of the armoured pinzgauers.
They woud probably offer these to NZ as well. With the ANZAC alliance it might take a few join exercises be fore some to the NZ military analysis to look at it seriously. Bushmaster can hold more people than the Hawkei and have a bigger cargo area so that could be why they upgraded with the bushmaster first. With a small military with a limited budget they probably need to prioritise what program will be chose
@@egypthobby pretty sure we went with bushmasters because they are a proven type, hawkei is relatively new and still yet to be feilded in any decent numbers. The NZ army have 60 armoured pinz in varying roles and considering the bushmasters are to take on more roles like ambulance then it would seem we are a few short of full replacement.
TBH I do not see pinz and bushmaster in the same class anyway and more in between pinz and NZLAV in terms of size and role so something smaller will be needed either way to fill the gap.
@@regregan5755 Armoured Pinis were parked up for years and largely unused. They could not get up a well known hill in Waiouru. These were acquired via an absolute cluster of a program that was a political appeasement to the 5th column that was the Alliance party in 2000 by the opportunist in Charge- Commissar Clark. Running prior to that was a program across 5 eyes to standardise on a new gen of HUMVEE that was to be made RHD or LHD but with various swappable modules and armour kits that would have provided something almost suitable for the War of Terror. But Alliance were against it cos it involved the US and NZ First sniffed an opportunity to appear like they were doing something.
The Bushies here are only for that elite unit based in Paps. The remainder of the new build Bushies are still on their way. But should start arriving in the next several months.
Hawkei will be looked at but there are several concurrent programs so progam staff are largely already tasked.
Australien la note est salée pour les sous marin ?
Ce n'est pas à toi c'est australien
@@agoul5278 Ah l'époque où je connaissait rien en engins militaire 😆
Je découvre encore un blindé français que je ne connaissais pas ! Il n'y a pas de place à côté du conducteur ?
@FUCK SHIT Je me demandais ce qu'il allaient mettre comme armement là dessus, merci pour le lien. Je préfère le CRAB de Panhard ou le Scarabée d'Arquus.
Looks very similar to Oshkosh JLTV
I mean it is the same design philosophy and class under the same western military doctrine. Its like convergent evolution.
Hawkei should consider a civilian version,ala Hummer H2s or H3s
hum scorpion? vous êtes sur?
ça ressemble pas au Serval du program Scorpion. (et encore moins à un griffon ou jaguar)
ça ressemble pas non plus au PVP qui est hors Scorpion.
Dans la vidéo, ils parlent plutôt des autrichiens je crois. Et un peu des polonais.
C'est pas le futur véhicule des forces spéciales ?
L'appel d'offre est lancé?
Pour quel type de véhicule exactement?
Apparemment, il n'y a pas longtemps, le besoin n'était même pas encore définit précisément (dixit un général face à l'assemblé).
D'ailleurs, pour tout le monde ça semble assez flou la future utilisation de ce véhicule (et donc son profil). Il devrait être entre le serval et le PVP, mais à part ça ...
C'est plutot le Scarabee qui est proposé par Arquus.
www.opex360.com/2018/06/12/arquus-devoile-scarabee-possible-successeur-vehicule-blinde-leger/
Non le CRAB c'est juste une maquette en bois non roulante, pas vraiment proposé.
Oui enfin ça ressemble à un CRAB customisé, rien que de la com en fait.
We make them in Bendigo bush master and this one so Yas don't get blow up in Ur crap hummers lmao
my money is on oshkosh, this is like a glorified humvee
In your dreams. The French army is not even considering the JTLV, besides it is a maintenance nightmare compared to Humvee.
JLTV is a glorified humvee...
Bullshit.its original best in class,Australian made and designed .
Not even close. The Hawkei is far superior and far stronger than a Humvee. This thing is designed from the ground up to withstand blast from IED's and Mines. Go and check photo's of Humvees that have been hit by IEDs. It now also sports a remote weapon station.
This is not the Humvee class vehicle. It's double the weight of the HMMWV when it is not overloaded. Humvee barely moves in terrain when gets over 4,5t.