I’m a proud controller advocate, I have around 2500 hours on xbox and do the best in air sim. I currently have a kd ratio in “top tier” (10.7-12.7) of about 3-1. Before PD radars became so prevalent I had a ratio of 220-30 in the mig 21mf. It’s hard, but definitely not impossible to become good at war thunder on controller.
A tip for anyone struggling on controller is to make many control maps. I currently cycle between about 10 control maps that all vary slightly and use/dont functions that a plane may or may not have. For instance my top tier rb setup has no key binds to drop bombs or fire rockets.
Hell yeah man I got 3k hours on Xbox only controller and I maintain a 2.0kd in current top tier I enjoy controller a lot more the PC imo but I am wondering your control maps cause mine have been an accumulation of binds for 7 years lol
@@DougMcgoon for all top tier control maps B does nothing on its own, but B + any other button does a function. For example B+A opens the tactical map, B+RB changes the selected weapons, B+LB is flares, etc
I play on donky kong bongos but it really doesn't matter what you play with as long as you have situational awareness and know somewhat to control your plane your skill as an individual pulls way more than the device you control your plane with
Holy shit you guys yall got me all the watch hours I needed to get monetized!!! Waiting on TH-cam update the channel and then the next video will be out. Thanks all
I've played controller for years, the biggest thing that helped me are the following: 1. rebinding the pitch and yaw: I use L2 and L1 for pitch. Yaw is square and circle. Roll is the default right stick movement with throttle default there as well. This is essential to get all the movement you need from your aircraft and help you with maneuvers such as a hammerhead. It also allows you to move your aircraft while you are in free cam 2. Using the touch pad in the middle of the PS4/5 controller is a must. You can swipe your finger to quickly move the circle movement circle and get the full effect of your pitch. Using the left stick is usually slower unless you have very high sensitivity which I don't like to put too high since it makes aiming your guns very difficult. You can also use the touch pad to quickly scan around when holding the "free-cam" key-bind 3. Speaking of free cam, there is a key bind somewhere that allows you to lock your view in free cam, and keeps the direction you are looking, regardless of the direction of your aircraft. I find this extremely useful since its hard to hold a button to free cam while trying to dogfight and maneuver with someone behind you. Using this in combination with #1 allows you to look behind you while maneuvering. For me, I can hold x and rotate my view, it stays where i leave it, and then if I hit x again it goes back to front view. 4. You can use a ton of combinations with your d pad and buttons to rebind other things you may need. For instance, I have right d pad and circle as a bind that cycles my guns so that I only have to bind R2 as shoot and i can cycle between guns, cannons, and all together. You can also use multiple d pad buttons together (such as right and down together) and also add right buttons to those as well, although, 2 d pad buttons together are harder to hit. You can use these combinations to build out your bindings for not as essential things. I would caution to keep most of your movement keys unbound to combinations since I have ran into issues where I am dog fighting and using some sort of combination bind and can no longer use #1 bind to maneuver my aircraft. 5. There is an extremely annoying issue on console where there are some general controls that effect planes AND tanks AND naval craft. For instance, I had to change my zoom key bind from the default of square to R1 in order to have the #1 binds and have yaw. This also effected tanks where I have to use R1 to zoom my tank view as well. VERY annoying. If you are wanting to change your key binds, I would start with #1 bind, then make sure to bind your general controls to something that makes sense to all vehicles you use. You may have to fix a thing or 2 on tanks or naval to be good to go. 6. when rebinding, SAVE YOUR CURRENT CONTROLS and the when finished SAVE YOUR NEW ONES. Nothing is worse than logging in after an update and all your controls are set to default. Hope this helps someone. o7
Bro, you mind sending me a Pic of ur control setup If possible through some type of social media? Trying to get a good setup on my ps5 controller for high air rb and possibly able to be well used as CAS as well? I have a setup rn as well, but it's not really doing well at all, it needs an update
i do stuff like this too, my friends thought i was weird whenever i changed controls on games for the controller, like in minecraft my controller used to drift so i used the left d pad buttons for movement so basically wasd from pc lol, and since i could not touch the joystick i couldnt sprint so i used the l1 button to sprint, changing controls actually makes it feel kinda cool than the normal setting where if you play another game of the sametype you wont feel the same experience as the first time because the buttons do the same thing, like l2 for aim r2 for shoot etc etc, ranted all of this extra bit haha basically wrote this comment to appreicate that you took time to right all of these points to help people out
This proved another thing... Planes don't really equal skill, just because their the same plane, doesn't mean it'll be an even fight, I think it's the matter of time put into the game, so from the very start from hearing you say and show you have 7k hours while the controller player has only 2k I already knew where it was going
Yeah i really wanted to make clear that i should be better all things considered so that the fact that he still got frags on me is a much bigger deal than if i had the same hours as him.
@@TheSystematicPsycho think this also proved that the keyboard and mouse had the advantage. Several of his kills on you was because of your own mistakes. But for example the fact you are able to pull a perfect hammerhead in a Saber most controllers will struggle to pull this off, because the controller fails to respond properly to allow this, as you have to keyring the ailerons to pull this off. Which then takes the keybindings of something else.
@@TheSystematicPsychoI mean hours in a game only matter if it’s quality time learning or playing. Example: you have let’s say 3k hours but you were learning about the aircraft, weaknesses and strengths. But the opponent has 5k hours however they don’t learn the aircraft and just “mess around” just play as play. You can win against that.
@@golacticgamingboyz7044 yes ive for sure played people with the same or more hours and they felt like a less experienced opponent. also not everyone is the same level of competitive. like i might not be the best 1v1 pilot ever but i have hella game sense that the super comp guys dont have.
As a top-tier jet player who exclusively plays on console, you can't imagine how many crazy key binds I have on controller. L2+Left Stick: free look. L2 + down + R3: check 6 while shooting flares and I can maneuver using right stick. L3 + R3 + Up, switch radar to air combat mode. Not to mention I had a keyboard just to control radar BVR mode. Good thing is I can keep my hand on the stick the whole time
You can free up a lot of controls like your Free Look controls by simply changing the meter on your Free Look so you can look straight back. Then have Flares as your free look button + R3. Better ways to bind those controls to free up more for other controls
Finally someone eho understands us console players! I reached rank 6 playing on PS4 sometimes I can't aim because the game zooms in too much and I don't find the keybind to zoom in bit by bit, only zoom wich destroys my aim
Love the fact you're giving us a look at the other side of things. I can from controller, some of the missle locking and stuff at higher tiers gets hard cause you only have so many buttons but still I use to play a lot of top tier on controller back in like 2017
@@TheSystematicPsycho I'm sure you can map it to where you can just press a combo of buttons just by the time I got really top tier and had to worry about all that I ended up with a pc.
@@TheSystematicPsycho This game could easily fix that if they did like any normal game. AC7 also has a lot of tech, but they're divided in primary and secondary weapons, and then a button to switch secondary weapons between regular infrared missiles and any kind of more advanced missiles, guided bombs or whatever. Why don't they just add a menu or simplify the controls? As a newer player who started just 1M ago, it was very difficult to understand all the controls. Why tf are bombs set to a different buttons than AA missiles AG missiles, guided bombs, rockets... They should be all in the secondary weapon button or maybe even like GTA and real life, a button to switch from guns to missile and whatever. I don't think real fighters have 3 different triggers, they just switch between their weaponry. The game has to compromise immersion by adding a menu that deeply improves gameplay, this is a problem in Arma 3 and DCS as well. What's the problem of adding the option to toggle a menu with all the stuff you need? Why have 100 different binds to remember just do basic actions? It's not real life, I can't just do stuff like one does irl. Instead, I have to remember which combination of buttons makes the character fire each individual special weaponry, which ones make it toggle his gun, which one toggles the radar, which one does every little basic action that could easily be added to a much more practical menu. Yeah, leave binding as an option, but add a damn menu for people without 150 buttons
I have 4200 hours on PS4, 500 hours on Ps5 and 800 hours on Pc. I can tell you with confidence that pc is so much more superior, it’s insane. Highest kill game I got in air RB on Ps out of those almost 5k hours was 6, and in a couple weeks on pc I had a game with 8 kills. It is so hard to look around you on ps, because without the right binds(and even then) you can’t really manoeuvre, you just gotta fly in a straight line whilst looking around. And when defensive flying, you just gotta do some crazy shit and pray it works because you can’t see behind you.
the ability to dodge while looking backwards isnt stated enough. i can fly defensively perfectly well using nothing but keyboard while holding the C key and looking behind me. being able to maneuver using all control surfaces is a very much needed as you come across better and better players
Get your pilots awareness up and use your map. If you hear their engine and or guns/bullets they are facing you. If you only hear an engine faintly they are above/below/flying away from you. War Thunder also has Doppler effect you can use to your advantage. Also get quick on target switching and your pilot will rubberneck to anyone with just a couple dpad presses while still controlling the craft
Need better bindings. Had multiple games of 6+ kills. The only thing I wished I had better controls for would be to change my controls to full realistic smoother. That’s about it
I really think skill was more of a deciding factor here. It was clear to me from pretty early in the video that BFM theory was not a strong suit for controller man. That was an issue for both sides but more so for controller. For props you went vertical every time in a high energy state. He was about the same speed as you in most cases as far as I can tell yet he did not follow the vertical. This violates the "manoeuvre in relation to your bandit" rule for one and also gives you a clear advantage at the merge every time because you cash your energy for altitude, effectively gaining turn rate without actually losing energy. He didn't seem to spot his mistake either so he kept going into the fight at a massive disadvantage. This theme of lack of understanding of energy states and bandit related manoeuvring seemed to carry into jet fighters. Even in the F4S, he seemed to do better relative movement but was still not quite there. I spotted a few critical mistakes throughout as well, such as 18:02. He should have continued pulling down and continued the 2 circle fight. Not only was he not fast enough to reverse his turn efficiently, he did it late and shouldn't have done it at that speed at all even with correct orientation and timing. If he had continued pulling down he would have gained initiative in the fight, forcing you to react to his moves as well as gaining significant rate from the extra energy picked up on the way down. Even if you reversed into the one circle, you were going significantly slower and would be late to the turn, so he would have had an easy time jinking and from there would have a massive energy advantage he could maintain in the vertical and likely win the fight with. Over all I think this was an unfair test due to the gap in skill. There is good information to be pulled from the video and it does show that just because you are on controller, it does not mean you are destined to fail against PC. But other than that I would say this test is pretty much inconclusive.
Im a 4000 Hour controller player. Stayed “faithful” and I can proudly say i am a very competent pilot. I believe it’s very nice for Sim too. Better than keyboard and mouse in certain aspects.
KBM with mouse control in AirRB is just more intuitive. The game and controls are far easier to be good with because the game does everything to point the nose at the reticle. Its just easier to make good moves with as a pilot doesn't have to deal with thinking about separate inputs like mixing rudder and ailerons, etc. Controllers have a bonus for being able to go into sim without much set-up change. KBM players are at a huge disadvantage there.
@@TheSystematicPsycho Sim is easy on kbm just remember to change it out of simplified control mode because that just kneecaps your options for flying the plane
I try to play on controller, but at low tier, I feel like my planes turn much slower, bc I can't control the flaps directly, so I feel a disadvantage at dogfights. Is this a general issue or am I just trippin?
Being a 7000hr controller player, once you get the hang of the controls, you start experimenting a LOT. And it will either improve you or just make you terrifyingly good at the game. I’ve always experimented with my controls, setting up buttons for CAS, using them for radar, weapons, even sim. Now I’m not the greatest player, but I’m pretty alright ever since I learned how to really use my controller to its full potential!
I've played WT in PS4 for a long time before moving to PC and duude. The advantage in PC is so noticeable, you can aim, control the plane and even your surroundings way better
One thing i will say about controller is that it is harder to aim with controller - head on like rolling out and then back in at the last second with mouse is a lot easier
The thing about controller is our controls so very limited, so we fx are mostly unable to use free camera unless you make a sick controller layout. Which can cause us to be extremely blind for openings, and well idk if he has this but if he didn't I'd have to say he did pretty damn well
Im a controller player and I have reached German top tier easily and have like a 2:1 K/D on mig21mf even after it got worse because of the br decompression And I also got a 2:1 K/D in the mig29G Console isn’t inferior, it’s just hard to get the right keybinds, I had to adjust them after every tier because you have to play different compared to a lower br. For example I had flares and chaff linked to one button until I got to top tier Because in German planes you generally have to few flares/chaff And then its not good to also waste your chaff when you want to flare and flares while you actually want to chaff. So I had to switch over to use two separate keybinds for chaffing and flaring And because i once again didn’t have enough buttons for that, i had to change like 10 of my keybinds until I had a good setup again
Pc players have the advantage of being able to use analog which gives you slightly more pitch roll and yaw while controller players can use mouse aim most of the time. That’s why I use controller and keyboard
Got about 6k hours combined with PS4 and PS5 version of War Thunder. Standard controller only. Biggest issue is the default controls aren’t good enough and most controller players lack a good controller setup. Then people use Mouse Aim as their main maneuver control and you need to bind your Max and Minimum Pitch controls then remap your free look to L1 or L2 (the opposite of what you use for your guns)
as an ex controller player with 3000 hours on the dot on xbox, i can say for sure, controller is not bad, and can be quite good, and its actually a really easy way to get into sim with
I friggen know and because I was apparently someone else's live performance I couldn't monetize this as my first video. Whatever tho it still went hard! 🤣
It’s not abt competitiveness it’s about comfort, no one wants to do a street fighter combo just to chat, controller sucks on jets with all the ballistic computers and radars and load outs
Interesting video! I never assumed a console player to have an inherent disadvantage in 1v1 dogfights unless they are very new and struggling with the controls, but rather to be prone to getting surprised/losing situational awareness or even panicking when a PC player they didn't see coming suddenly attacks them with an energy advantage. Also i believe having more keys also allows PC players to have more keybinds, which can be useful in rare situations where, for example, turning off your engine to boom and zoom someone who doesn't see you when you have a good energy and altitude advantage. Obviously experience will largely offset any disadvantage, but i'd be interested in the ergonomic and psychological aspects s of playing with a controller. Like how easy it is to check a specific area while doing something else than flying in a straight line, and if console players do situational awareness checks more of less frequent, or if (in low ranks) a player automatically goes into an "i'm gonna lose this"-mentality when jumped by a PC player
We had a talk about this one but I would say except from making quick accurate shots which kbm would be better at it would really come down to personal skill and tactics not so much the input device. 1v1 tank battles just comes down to who hits the first shot.
i’m at 1338 hours of war thunder and on console. The only thing that sucks on console is figuring out how to map all the necessary buttons with a limited range of buttons. We need to use activator buttons to switch some stuff. I’m still trying to figure out a best way for air combat where flaps are useable to turn with and you can still use pointer aim control aswel. A good tip for controller players to have a quicker, turn “react” time. Go to controls > Common> Scroll down to sensitivity. Sensitivity in zoom to: 30-48%* depends on how good you are at controlling look sensitivity: 70-99% ( depends on control skil)
I’ve been playing this game since it first was released and I can tell you 100% top-tier jets using the controller sucks there’s not enough key bindings, especially for all the different radar types in homing and self seeking missiles. It’s absolute fucking nightmare. Soon I’ll be getting one of those little tiny keypads that plug into the bottom of the controller to see if I can make some new key binding so I could try to use some of this top-tier tech
In short yes because ive fought plenty of competent controller players. however, my preference is keyboard and mouse for air simulator so im not one to judge. It is mostly piloting skill which determines competitive advantage in any given situation so always treat all opponents as though they are the red baron himself. The only major flaw I saw with it is the lack of overall situational awareness so in a furball situation with high target saturation within the vicinity it is harder to keep up without the mouse look for newer players but there are some novel button reassignments for controller at least but not enough to war thunder. I say simulator battles is probably where controller might have an edge because you dont need to turn the head as much. Even when I was playing this game on PS4 for a number of years, I used mouse and keyboard. I have probably over 10,000 hours but don't know exactly how many, i estimate 5000 in match hours according to the war thunder player search of my various accounts by adding the time for realistic battles all up and started August 25th, 2013.
I remapped my controller so that my left stick controls pitch and roll, right stick does what left stick normally does to move the mouse circle around, and flares, using this you can now pull off pc maneuvers, takes a bit to get used to since finding the sweet spot on a stick for a certain maneuver may be weird
I came to PC from controller about 10 months ago, I've been playing WT for years and years before that, all on controller. I don't like to feel like I'm bragging, but my friends and I used to dogfight very consistently, and even against things that were superior to me I could pull wins pretty well. I think that there's a few big leaps in controller progression, at least my own, was mapping extra keybinds for things like flaps and the like, and after that was being able to use freelook especially more effectively. All in all, I think at least for ARB I might prefer controller, just a little bit, but for ground and everything else I prefer keyboard.
I was a former controller player for my first 1k hours (now on my 6th), around when the maus and panther 2 was in the tree still (never got it since I was trash) and it was a hardship of being limited on jets and I was relieved when switching to pc. P.S. GAIJIN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER AND LET ME LINK MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN USE THE MARKETPLACE
I have some over 1,100 hours on WarThunder and have only played on controller and can confidently say its so difficult to get good but it feels so good when you do
Look, my favorite thing to do is type in chat at the start ‘console players are simply superior, and pc players would know that if they spent their money on an education instead of a pc setup”, and they completely lose their minds
as a dcs player i got kinda confused in the later dogfights since you guys began using the f16 in a 1 circle setting thats why the plane is calling AOA since its not made for that but in the last round it was a 2 circle rate fight in the vertical one thing the 16 is perfect at and the performance difference was insane tho... but yeah its weird seeing dogfights in thrid person XD
Yeah I feel like all performance advantages of a plane is out the window when you are fighting the same thing lol it's more like what kind of tricky shit is going to throw your opponent.
I am a controller player with over 2000 hours and the one thing I struggle with the most is maneuverability in dogfights and just being able to look around myself while maneuvering because my controls are just kinda stupid but I don’t want to have to go through the work to create and learn new controls so I’m just kinda stuck like this
I used to play Xbox, got really far in Air for USA (2 years) and Sweden (1 month) but could never break the “Glass floor” into tier 4, played Sweden on a fresh steam account, within 1 week I’m already at tier 3 and researching tier 4 for Sweden Air. It’s pure preference.
Tips for controller flyers and this is how I had it setup while I played on console. I had my roll and my throttle on left stick. L2 would activate my mouse look thing whatever its called. Then I set it so L2 also activated the ability to use pitch on my left stick. That way you can view your target while still using your pitch and roll to maneuver.
My only problem with this video is that controller shines best in "View" control mode. Mouse view is a little different on controller but the only reason the PC might be better (which I don't think it is) is because of "Mouse Aim"
I moved to PC after getting one, and I remember that my only issues on controller were flap control and defensive flying because of the problem with free look. So besides that added ability to evade people on my six, nothing changed in my abilities.
I have 5700+ hours on Xbox, It took a while but once you get it down it’s not super hard at all, especially when it comes to Sim controller is a lot easier, but overall I would say a good controller player is just as competitive, I mean we’re basically playing fighting games with the strange ass button combos we have to pull off to bind some stuff, for me I usually keep my most important binds as a simple as possible like pitch, msl, guns, zoom etc are all usually one button when in comparison to stuff like wing sweep and etc, as well as double binding certain stuff, weapon selection is relaky good for us controller players since we can bind bombs, rockets and A2A munitions on one key bind, but when it comes down to it the main thing when it comes to controller is about the knowledge of the game.
Back when I was on console I had full real controls set on my right stick and mouse aim on my left stick. Used L2 to activate free look for left stick. Seemed to work pretty well for me
Lol this game I have a little under 7k hours have been playing since late 2018 and had in my f5e a 293 to 39 kd but thim i got a talisman and brain dead bombed so it gone now. And i have done it all on controller but i have been playing on a filght stick some the f15 is crazy in sim but. I recommend binding x or a to full pitch up so u can turn tight and un bing activate target point in settings so u can free look win holding x or a to full pull.
I feel like you should do the same battle in simulator mode as it removes the advantage of mouse aim and actually showcases the pilots skill and adds a better challenge for both sides
As a player playing on pc and ps5 its way harder to keep an eye on ur. Surroundings on ps5 and its harder to free look follow ur enemy. While turning in. What results in not always knowing where to follow or dodge enemy bullits and to keep out of his guns while dogfighting.
Having about 5000 hours on Xbox the one issue I have when dogfighting pc is that console appears to over g quicker because it’s extremely easy to sustain gs
On controller ( I play on the PS5 ) there are settings in Controls to where you can keybind your flaps to engage them manually. I use L2+right to lower and L2+left to raise mine
I started out playing on PlayStation, idk how anyone would wanna put there self through the pain of playing this game on controller after playing on mouse and keyboard lol.
For me I just mainly start running out of buttons and ALOT of very important controls for top tier weren’t even bound to any button. I had to spend a good couple hours across tanks, aircraft and helicopters. But luckily wat thunder has the best binding menu that I’ve been able to mess with (because console game usually don’t let you) and I’ve been able to use my L1 as a sort of Function key to roughly double my mappable buttons. I’ve mainly only played ground so far and only need 3 tanks and 1 helicopter to finish those tech trees for Sweden, then I’ll be making the grind focusing on air to get that grippen.
im a controler player but im not like some people who geniueanly think one is better thsn the other (in their faivour) and i think this was an awsome video made me subscribe
I have maybe 400-600 hours on Xbox and after my 3rd month of playing I just realized that I should be using the controller wayyy more aggressively because after I did that I just started to get 3-5 kill games every time. Although you could say that I’m handicapped by the Italian air tree, i have actually played the us tree and British tree and it was more or less the same experience
I bought a Razer turret (it's an Xbox one branded accessory but runs perfectly on PS5) and enables play from a couch as it has an included slide out magnetic mouse pad and is heavily weighted to be stable on a lap. I still suck but definitely suck dramatically less than when I'm controller.
Not for me. I think I’ll keep my $5 keyboard and $5 gaming mouse and my gaming mouse pad and plug my keyboard and mouse up to my PS4 easy peasy lemon squeezey instead of buying a $80 controller just to make it harder to play the game.
im new to the game can you give me advice on what ammo to use because i seem to not do any damage but i either get 1 tapped and my wing flies off or i get shot out the plane im in t3-t4 area
Look for belts that have he (high explosive) or f (fragmentation) or iai (immediate action incendiary) they blow up! Universal is always good for .50s. air target belts usually have what you need for killing planes.
I hate not being able to move the camera around like yall....😢 Its a monstrous advantage for pc. Ive realized your situation awarness on where he is and what hes doing sinply just cant be matched..... Ive realized offense is best in 3rd person and defense is best in nose cam atleast for me.... Just dtarted 1 week ago.
Did your buddy the 18Gaming person have the aim assist thing they have for console working or should i say on? Plus the console can plug in a keyboard and mouse into the console so they could have the same exact thing as a PC but a tiny advantage with that aim assist console has, No?
Its not aim assist in a literal sence its just being able to lock on to a target and it will track them if you hold the button, which you pc player also get for air, you just need to bind it
i think something fairer is an equal merge w/o taking vertical if you do both of you do so you can see the performance diffs and which control output is more optimized.
I agree but this was more of a "real world" test. You cant really tell from the video but we are adapting to each airframe and tbh I personally am not aware of all the advantages/disadvantages and quirks to each airframe. I am usually a little quicker to pick up on the differences than him but with that said he still pulled frags on me! Definitely a lot of potential on controller.
@@TheSystematicPsycho o gotcha fair enough. yeah the controller is more like a joystick, i'm curious tho what perspective does your friend play in is it first person, cockpit, or third?
It's just the fact the pc is what the game is geared towards and consoles a secondary/commercial thought. that is enough to make the consoles less competitive, ive been playing for years only on console and have ALWAYS felt that planes were turning faster, keeping more momentum etc etc than when I fly them, in fact having timed some in turns, often found they would be a lot slower than the specs list said they should be. Good content though. 👏👍👌🤘✌🖖🤙🍻
I seriously feel like the dude on controller wasn't playing as aggressive as the mouse and keyboard player, there are moments where they don't cash in on energy and dive when their enemy is already leading in front of him to fire.
Best thing about console is i hook up a mouse and keyboard. Just so i can eliminate the compound key input. Im sure rb+Y does something while all i have to press is 1 key out of 66+ keys
I know that I’m a bit late to the comment section But did he use the lock on feature that controller players have? They can target a certain plane and the plane will sort of not go anywhere else, but the plane
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I’m a proud controller advocate, I have around 2500 hours on xbox and do the best in air sim. I currently have a kd ratio in “top tier” (10.7-12.7) of about 3-1. Before PD radars became so prevalent I had a ratio of 220-30 in the mig 21mf. It’s hard, but definitely not impossible to become good at war thunder on controller.
A tip for anyone struggling on controller is to make many control maps. I currently cycle between about 10 control maps that all vary slightly and use/dont functions that a plane may or may not have. For instance my top tier rb setup has no key binds to drop bombs or fire rockets.
Hell yeah man I got 3k hours on Xbox only controller and I maintain a 2.0kd in current top tier I enjoy controller a lot more the PC imo but I am wondering your control maps cause mine have been an accumulation of binds for 7 years lol
@@DougMcgoon for all top tier control maps B does nothing on its own, but B + any other button does a function. For example B+A opens the tactical map, B+RB changes the selected weapons, B+LB is flares, etc
same
sadly sims doesn't count as many of the players just play for PVE.
I play on donky kong bongos but it really doesn't matter what you play with as long as you have situational awareness and know somewhat to control your plane
your skill as an individual pulls way more than the device you control your plane with
i play on my samsung smart fridge, i have 1million hours, i would win smh
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Holy shit you guys yall got me all the watch hours I needed to get monetized!!! Waiting on TH-cam update the channel and then the next video will be out. Thanks all
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i think you just better pilot, he did a lot of mistakes that you took advantege of.
if you play on controler on PC, are you still a master race??
@@יעקבכהן-ו3מ i wish it worked like that but no. You must fully transcend the console young padawan.
@@TheSystematicPsycho yes my master🙏
I've played controller for years, the biggest thing that helped me are the following:
1. rebinding the pitch and yaw: I use L2 and L1 for pitch. Yaw is square and circle. Roll is the default right stick movement with throttle default there as well. This is essential to get all the movement you need from your aircraft and help you with maneuvers such as a hammerhead. It also allows you to move your aircraft while you are in free cam
2. Using the touch pad in the middle of the PS4/5 controller is a must. You can swipe your finger to quickly move the circle movement circle and get the full effect of your pitch. Using the left stick is usually slower unless you have very high sensitivity which I don't like to put too high since it makes aiming your guns very difficult. You can also use the touch pad to quickly scan around when holding the "free-cam" key-bind
3. Speaking of free cam, there is a key bind somewhere that allows you to lock your view in free cam, and keeps the direction you are looking, regardless of the direction of your aircraft. I find this extremely useful since its hard to hold a button to free cam while trying to dogfight and maneuver with someone behind you. Using this in combination with #1 allows you to look behind you while maneuvering. For me, I can hold x and rotate my view, it stays where i leave it, and then if I hit x again it goes back to front view.
4. You can use a ton of combinations with your d pad and buttons to rebind other things you may need. For instance, I have right d pad and circle as a bind that cycles my guns so that I only have to bind R2 as shoot and i can cycle between guns, cannons, and all together. You can also use multiple d pad buttons together (such as right and down together) and also add right buttons to those as well, although, 2 d pad buttons together are harder to hit. You can use these combinations to build out your bindings for not as essential things. I would caution to keep most of your movement keys unbound to combinations since I have ran into issues where I am dog fighting and using some sort of combination bind and can no longer use #1 bind to maneuver my aircraft.
5. There is an extremely annoying issue on console where there are some general controls that effect planes AND tanks AND naval craft. For instance, I had to change my zoom key bind from the default of square to R1 in order to have the #1 binds and have yaw. This also effected tanks where I have to use R1 to zoom my tank view as well. VERY annoying. If you are wanting to change your key binds, I would start with #1 bind, then make sure to bind your general controls to something that makes sense to all vehicles you use. You may have to fix a thing or 2 on tanks or naval to be good to go.
6. when rebinding, SAVE YOUR CURRENT CONTROLS and the when finished SAVE YOUR NEW ONES. Nothing is worse than logging in after an update and all your controls are set to default.
Hope this helps someone. o7
Sure does
I'm suffering so bad
I'm a give these a try
@@Konrad810did they help out at all? I'm sick of dogfighting without being able to move my plane while in free look
@@Konrad810 How did it work out for you?
Bro, you mind sending me a Pic of ur control setup If possible through some type of social media? Trying to get a good setup on my ps5 controller for high air rb and possibly able to be well used as CAS as well? I have a setup rn as well, but it's not really doing well at all, it needs an update
i do stuff like this too, my friends thought i was weird whenever i changed controls on games for the controller, like in minecraft my controller used to drift so i used the left d pad buttons for movement so basically wasd from pc lol, and since i could not touch the joystick i couldnt sprint so i used the l1 button to sprint, changing controls actually makes it feel kinda cool than the normal setting where if you play another game of the sametype you wont feel the same experience as the first time because the buttons do the same thing, like l2 for aim r2 for shoot etc etc, ranted all of this extra bit haha basically wrote this comment to appreicate that you took time to right all of these points to help people out
This proved another thing... Planes don't really equal skill, just because their the same plane, doesn't mean it'll be an even fight, I think it's the matter of time put into the game, so from the very start from hearing you say and show you have 7k hours while the controller player has only 2k I already knew where it was going
Yeah i really wanted to make clear that i should be better all things considered so that the fact that he still got frags on me is a much bigger deal than if i had the same hours as him.
Spot on
@@TheSystematicPsycho think this also proved that the keyboard and mouse had the advantage. Several of his kills on you was because of your own mistakes. But for example the fact you are able to pull a perfect hammerhead in a Saber most controllers will struggle to pull this off, because the controller fails to respond properly to allow this, as you have to keyring the ailerons to pull this off. Which then takes the keybindings of something else.
@@TheSystematicPsychoI mean hours in a game only matter if it’s quality time learning or playing. Example: you have let’s say 3k hours but you were learning about the aircraft, weaknesses and strengths. But the opponent has 5k hours however they don’t learn the aircraft and just “mess around” just play as play. You can win against that.
@@golacticgamingboyz7044 yes ive for sure played people with the same or more hours and they felt like a less experienced opponent. also not everyone is the same level of competitive. like i might not be the best 1v1 pilot ever but i have hella game sense that the super comp guys dont have.
As a top-tier jet player who exclusively plays on console, you can't imagine how many crazy key binds I have on controller. L2+Left Stick: free look. L2 + down + R3: check 6 while shooting flares and I can maneuver using right stick. L3 + R3 + Up, switch radar to air combat mode. Not to mention I had a keyboard just to control radar BVR mode. Good thing is I can keep my hand on the stick the whole time
I switched from controller to keyboard and did way better lol, I had a lot of crazy keybinds too.
Why not just use an Acecomabt style control set up like I do?
You can free up a lot of controls like your Free Look controls by simply changing the meter on your Free Look so you can look straight back. Then have Flares as your free look button + R3. Better ways to bind those controls to free up more for other controls
I’m moving into jets so yeah I caved and bought a mouse and keyboard. Can’t be doing anymore crazy binds lmao
@@RyanG-ij8xq Keyboard is just so much better
13:30 brother what 💀💀💀
Love the video lol keep it up
I like your PFP lol
@@themanhimself6696 lmao why u rob his pfp for
@@BruddaDawg hey I didn't rob it, if you look mine is slanted more towards the camera than his
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Finally someone eho understands us console players! I reached rank 6 playing on PS4 sometimes I can't aim because the game zooms in too much and I don't find the keybind to zoom in bit by bit, only zoom wich destroys my aim
Brother lol you don’t really need to zoom in
@@RyanG-ij8xq Not for players who play from 2013.
@@Bf109F-4lover if you have triggers then make the zoom adjustable, if you use a different button then of well
The zoom scroll is not gonna make u better trust me
Love the fact you're giving us a look at the other side of things. I can from controller, some of the missle locking and stuff at higher tiers gets hard cause you only have so many buttons but still I use to play a lot of top tier on controller back in like 2017
Yeah the button combos seems to be the most baffling thing for me. Definitely a result of this being a pc title that was ported.
@@TheSystematicPsycho I'm sure you can map it to where you can just press a combo of buttons just by the time I got really top tier and had to worry about all that I ended up with a pc.
@@TheSystematicPsycho This game could easily fix that if they did like any normal game. AC7 also has a lot of tech, but they're divided in primary and secondary weapons, and then a button to switch secondary weapons between regular infrared missiles and any kind of more advanced missiles, guided bombs or whatever. Why don't they just add a menu or simplify the controls? As a newer player who started just 1M ago, it was very difficult to understand all the controls. Why tf are bombs set to a different buttons than AA missiles AG missiles, guided bombs, rockets... They should be all in the secondary weapon button or maybe even like GTA and real life, a button to switch from guns to missile and whatever. I don't think real fighters have 3 different triggers, they just switch between their weaponry. The game has to compromise immersion by adding a menu that deeply improves gameplay, this is a problem in Arma 3 and DCS as well. What's the problem of adding the option to toggle a menu with all the stuff you need? Why have 100 different binds to remember just do basic actions? It's not real life, I can't just do stuff like one does irl. Instead, I have to remember which combination of buttons makes the character fire each individual special weaponry, which ones make it toggle his gun, which one toggles the radar, which one does every little basic action that could easily be added to a much more practical menu. Yeah, leave binding as an option, but add a damn menu for people without 150 buttons
I have 4200 hours on PS4, 500 hours on Ps5 and 800 hours on Pc. I can tell you with confidence that pc is so much more superior, it’s insane. Highest kill game I got in air RB on Ps out of those almost 5k hours was 6, and in a couple weeks on pc I had a game with 8 kills. It is so hard to look around you on ps, because without the right binds(and even then) you can’t really manoeuvre, you just gotta fly in a straight line whilst looking around. And when defensive flying, you just gotta do some crazy shit and pray it works because you can’t see behind you.
Those are my biggest issues, I can fuck with my flaps while looking around but it doesn't do much.
the ability to dodge while looking backwards isnt stated enough. i can fly defensively perfectly well using nothing but keyboard while holding the C key and looking behind me. being able to maneuver using all control surfaces is a very much needed as you come across better and better players
Rethink your binds and get a mental image of your 6, and sometimes just look behind you
Get your pilots awareness up and use your map. If you hear their engine and or guns/bullets they are facing you. If you only hear an engine faintly they are above/below/flying away from you. War Thunder also has Doppler effect you can use to your advantage. Also get quick on target switching and your pilot will rubberneck to anyone with just a couple dpad presses while still controlling the craft
Need better bindings. Had multiple games of 6+ kills. The only thing I wished I had better controls for would be to change my controls to full realistic smoother. That’s about it
Still going for watch hours peeps. It means a lot for you guys to stick around till the end!
I really think skill was more of a deciding factor here. It was clear to me from pretty early in the video that BFM theory was not a strong suit for controller man. That was an issue for both sides but more so for controller. For props you went vertical every time in a high energy state. He was about the same speed as you in most cases as far as I can tell yet he did not follow the vertical. This violates the "manoeuvre in relation to your bandit" rule for one and also gives you a clear advantage at the merge every time because you cash your energy for altitude, effectively gaining turn rate without actually losing energy. He didn't seem to spot his mistake either so he kept going into the fight at a massive disadvantage.
This theme of lack of understanding of energy states and bandit related manoeuvring seemed to carry into jet fighters. Even in the F4S, he seemed to do better relative movement but was still not quite there. I spotted a few critical mistakes throughout as well, such as 18:02. He should have continued pulling down and continued the 2 circle fight. Not only was he not fast enough to reverse his turn efficiently, he did it late and shouldn't have done it at that speed at all even with correct orientation and timing. If he had continued pulling down he would have gained initiative in the fight, forcing you to react to his moves as well as gaining significant rate from the extra energy picked up on the way down. Even if you reversed into the one circle, you were going significantly slower and would be late to the turn, so he would have had an easy time jinking and from there would have a massive energy advantage he could maintain in the vertical and likely win the fight with.
Over all I think this was an unfair test due to the gap in skill. There is good information to be pulled from the video and it does show that just because you are on controller, it does not mean you are destined to fail against PC. But other than that I would say this test is pretty much inconclusive.
Im a 4000 Hour controller player. Stayed “faithful” and I can proudly say i am a very competent pilot. I believe it’s very nice for Sim too. Better than keyboard and mouse in certain aspects.
Yeah I ain't touching sim with kbm I'll plug up my flight stick before I start raw doggin sim mode...
KBM with mouse control in AirRB is just more intuitive. The game and controls are far easier to be good with because the game does everything to point the nose at the reticle. Its just easier to make good moves with as a pilot doesn't have to deal with thinking about separate inputs like mixing rudder and ailerons, etc. Controllers have a bonus for being able to go into sim without much set-up change. KBM players are at a huge disadvantage there.
@@TheSystematicPsycho Sim is easy on kbm just remember to change it out of simplified control mode because that just kneecaps your options for flying the plane
@@gregc9344 yeah it just doesn't offer the precision that id require. Id blame the kbm every time I died 🤣
I try to play on controller, but at low tier, I feel like my planes turn much slower, bc I can't control the flaps directly, so I feel a disadvantage at dogfights. Is this a general issue or am I just trippin?
7000 hours is outragous
Tell me about it...
292 continuous days@@TheSystematicPsycho
@@myvidsrandom9955 thats wild loli usually dont make it past 3 days...
I have nearly 8000 hours on War thunder and I have only ever used a playstation controller.
I got close to 14-15k on console over like 6 different accounts been playing since tanks came to the game
Being a 7000hr controller player, once you get the hang of the controls, you start experimenting a LOT. And it will either improve you or just make you terrifyingly good at the game. I’ve always experimented with my controls, setting up buttons for CAS, using them for radar, weapons, even sim. Now I’m not the greatest player, but I’m pretty alright ever since I learned how to really use my controller to its full potential!
Not only did I learn how good consul players can be, I also learned some fighter maneuvers and when and why to use them. Thx!
I've played WT in PS4 for a long time before moving to PC and duude. The advantage in PC is so noticeable, you can aim, control the plane and even your surroundings way better
One thing i will say about controller is that it is harder to aim with controller - head on like rolling out and then back in at the last second with mouse is a lot easier
100%
I abandoned controller around 10.0, as when stuff started get advanced with Radar, i needed the k&m so I could easily deal with all those binds
Its not that Bad, i Managed to get a good setup for Radar etc
@@xDerHunterHeli Yeah, it isn't that hard with early radars, but when you reach PD radars it gets a lot harder
@@theporschetiger no, i manage all radars perfectly with my controls
@@xDerHunterHelino you don’t. You don’t manage them “perfectly” this is pure copium
@@RyanG-ij8xqI also manage mine quite well….. it’s not hard to keybind a button and press it man.
"controller isnt... terrible(???)" and "is controller competitive?!?!" are wild to be in the tile vs first sentence
The thing about controller is our controls so very limited, so we fx are mostly unable to use free camera unless you make a sick controller layout. Which can cause us to be extremely blind for openings, and well idk if he has this but if he didn't I'd have to say he did pretty damn well
i love watching your fps go anywhere between 120-225 fps and then think about my 8-43 fps
That's 4k too🥹
@@TheSystematicPsycho lol I play on the lowest graphic setting as well as the minimal client thats how horrible my pc is
For the love of god this guy needs a YT channel i would pay to watch a video of his controller button binds!
www.youtube.com/@IAMBUNZ go spam him and tell him to make more shit!!!
@@TheSystematicPsycho Could you hype him up to do it? Would really like ti see!
You have the ability to see what he's doing behind you. On controller it's much harder to do.
Im a controller player and I have reached German top tier easily and have like a 2:1 K/D on mig21mf even after it got worse because of the br decompression
And I also got a 2:1 K/D in the mig29G
Console isn’t inferior, it’s just hard to get the right keybinds, I had to adjust them after every tier
because you have to play different compared to a lower br.
For example I had flares and chaff linked to one button until I got to top tier
Because in German planes you generally have to few flares/chaff
And then its not good to also waste your chaff when you want to flare and flares while you actually want to chaff.
So I had to switch over to use two separate keybinds for chaffing and flaring
And because i once again didn’t have enough buttons for that, i had to change like 10 of my keybinds until I had a good setup again
I think Diego should learn some air combat maneuvering lol. He setting himself up for the splash down
as some one who has had consoles most of my life but now has a pc ive played war thunder on both of em the difference is nasty
Pc players have the advantage of being able to use analog which gives you slightly more pitch roll and yaw while controller players can use mouse aim most of the time. That’s why I use controller and keyboard
Gotta give you credit for putting beethovens 7th symphony in. Defenitly gives these dogfights the dramatic touch.
Got about 6k hours combined with PS4 and PS5 version of War Thunder. Standard controller only. Biggest issue is the default controls aren’t good enough and most controller players lack a good controller setup. Then people use Mouse Aim as their main maneuver control and you need to bind your Max and Minimum Pitch controls then remap your free look to L1 or L2 (the opposite of what you use for your guns)
What about your setup?
as an ex controller player with 3000 hours on the dot on xbox, i can say for sure, controller is not bad, and can be quite good, and its actually a really easy way to get into sim with
That 7th symphony F16 dog fight was immaculate
I friggen know and because I was apparently someone else's live performance I couldn't monetize this as my first video. Whatever tho it still went hard! 🤣
as a console controller player i envy mnk players ability to properly visually track the enemy while maneuvering as needed
PC has a little advantage in Dogfights because of the Arrow keys but awesome Video
You can rebind the controller to get the same effect
Does anyone know what the music is at 19:20? Sounds really familiar.
I think I heard 7th symphony
It’s not abt competitiveness it’s about comfort, no one wants to do a street fighter combo just to chat, controller sucks on jets with all the ballistic computers and radars and load outs
Yeah its really all the button combos that make it tough on controller.
Interesting video!
I never assumed a console player to have an inherent disadvantage in 1v1 dogfights unless they are very new and struggling with the controls, but rather to be prone to getting surprised/losing situational awareness or even panicking when a PC player they didn't see coming suddenly attacks them with an energy advantage.
Also i believe having more keys also allows PC players to have more keybinds, which can be useful in rare situations where, for example, turning off your engine to boom and zoom someone who doesn't see you when you have a good energy and altitude advantage.
Obviously experience will largely offset any disadvantage, but i'd be interested in the ergonomic and psychological aspects s of playing with a controller. Like how easy it is to check a specific area while doing something else than flying in a straight line, and if console players do situational awareness checks more of less frequent, or if (in low ranks) a player automatically goes into an "i'm gonna lose this"-mentality when jumped by a PC player
Here's a suggetion: Keyboard+Mouse vs Controller in ground battles. See wich is better on ground battles.
We had a talk about this one but I would say except from making quick accurate shots which kbm would be better at it would really come down to personal skill and tactics not so much the input device. 1v1 tank battles just comes down to who hits the first shot.
Great vid, good flying on both sides would’ve loved to have been the one in the fight
i’m at 1338 hours of war thunder and on console. The only thing that sucks on console is figuring out how to map all the necessary buttons with a limited range of buttons. We need to use activator buttons to switch some stuff. I’m still trying to figure out a best way for air combat where flaps are useable to turn with and you can still use pointer aim control aswel.
A good tip for controller players to have a quicker, turn “react” time. Go to controls > Common> Scroll down to sensitivity.
Sensitivity in zoom to: 30-48%* depends on how good you are at controlling
look sensitivity: 70-99% ( depends on control skil)
I’ve been playing this game since it first was released and I can tell you 100% top-tier jets using the controller sucks there’s not enough key bindings, especially for all the different radar types in homing and self seeking missiles. It’s absolute fucking nightmare.
Soon I’ll be getting one of those little tiny keypads that plug into the bottom of the controller to see if I can make some new key binding so I could try to use some of this top-tier tech
Bro that intro was clean asf
In short yes because ive fought plenty of competent controller players. however, my preference is keyboard and mouse for air simulator so im not one to judge. It is mostly piloting skill which determines competitive advantage in any given situation so always treat all opponents as though they are the red baron himself. The only major flaw I saw with it is the lack of overall situational awareness so in a furball situation with high target saturation within the vicinity it is harder to keep up without the mouse look for newer players but there are some novel button reassignments for controller at least but not enough to war thunder. I say simulator battles is probably where controller might have an edge because you dont need to turn the head as much. Even when I was playing this game on PS4 for a number of years, I used mouse and keyboard. I have probably over 10,000 hours but don't know exactly how many, i estimate 5000 in match hours according to the war thunder player search of my various accounts by adding the time for realistic battles all up and started August 25th, 2013.
My consistent terror of the skies proves that you can ball out on controller
I remapped my controller so that my left stick controls pitch and roll, right stick does what left stick normally does to move the mouse circle around, and flares, using this you can now pull off pc maneuvers, takes a bit to get used to since finding the sweet spot on a stick for a certain maneuver may be weird
DEMON MY BELOVED
Awesome fights on both ends!
I came to PC from controller about 10 months ago, I've been playing WT for years and years before that, all on controller. I don't like to feel like I'm bragging, but my friends and I used to dogfight very consistently, and even against things that were superior to me I could pull wins pretty well. I think that there's a few big leaps in controller progression, at least my own, was mapping extra keybinds for things like flaps and the like, and after that was being able to use freelook especially more effectively. All in all, I think at least for ARB I might prefer controller, just a little bit, but for ground and everything else I prefer keyboard.
Its all because PC can free look and fly. It's the main advantage.
I was a former controller player for my first 1k hours (now on my 6th), around when the maus and panther 2 was in the tree still (never got it since I was trash) and it was a hardship of being limited on jets and I was relieved when switching to pc.
P.S. GAIJIN GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER AND LET ME LINK MY ACCOUNT SO I CAN USE THE MARKETPLACE
Hell ya that P-51 the rank 3 now rank 3 one is CRAZY the thing is way better then a person would think.
I have some over 1,100 hours on WarThunder and have only played on controller and can confidently say its so difficult to get good but it feels so good when you do
Been waiting for this vid I love this guys content
Look, my favorite thing to do is type in chat at the start ‘console players are simply superior, and pc players would know that if they spent their money on an education instead of a pc setup”, and they completely lose their minds
Genuinely thought this was a great video 🥂
Cheers!
One thigs there is that k&b has move buttons compared to controller so theres kind of advantages on both
Good content. Makes me want to play the game
go in at your own risk
You will play for at least a year and a half if you want jets without using premium currency
as a dcs player i got kinda confused in the later dogfights since you guys began using the f16 in a 1 circle setting thats why the plane is calling AOA since its not made for that but in the last round it was a 2 circle rate fight in the vertical one thing the 16 is perfect at and the performance difference was insane tho... but yeah its weird seeing dogfights in thrid person XD
Yeah I feel like all performance advantages of a plane is out the window when you are fighting the same thing lol it's more like what kind of tricky shit is going to throw your opponent.
How you setup your controlls , my only struggle i miss target. I have setup free look key ,but then plane goes straight and im easy traget
Are you on console?
I would really like to see his controller binds, for arb grb and heli’s… could you make this happen?
I am a controller player with over 2000 hours and the one thing I struggle with the most is maneuverability in dogfights and just being able to look around myself while maneuvering because my controls are just kinda stupid but I don’t want to have to go through the work to create and learn new controls so I’m just kinda stuck like this
I used to play Xbox, got really far in Air for USA (2 years) and Sweden (1 month) but could never break the “Glass floor” into tier 4, played Sweden on a fresh steam account, within 1 week I’m already at tier 3 and researching tier 4 for Sweden Air. It’s pure preference.
Tips for controller flyers and this is how I had it setup while I played on console. I had my roll and my throttle on left stick. L2 would activate my mouse look thing whatever its called. Then I set it so L2 also activated the ability to use pitch on my left stick. That way you can view your target while still using your pitch and roll to maneuver.
Excellent rank 7 music choice
whole reason i couldn't monetize the video 🤣
My only problem with this video is that controller shines best in "View" control mode. Mouse view is a little different on controller but the only reason the PC might be better (which I don't think it is) is because of "Mouse Aim"
Bro how to turn upside down with the mouse aim, my camera start spinning crazy on ps5
As a long time controller player, keyboard and mouse is the best thing that ever happened to me.
I moved to PC after getting one, and I remember that my only issues on controller were flap control and defensive flying because of the problem with free look. So besides that added ability to evade people on my six, nothing changed in my abilities.
loved the f16 dogfights, beautiful.
I have 5700+ hours on Xbox, It took a while but once you get it down it’s not super hard at all, especially when it comes to Sim controller is a lot easier, but overall I would say a good controller player is just as competitive, I mean we’re basically playing fighting games with the strange ass button combos we have to pull off to bind some stuff, for me I usually keep my most important binds as a simple as possible like pitch, msl, guns, zoom etc are all usually one button when in comparison to stuff like wing sweep and etc, as well as double binding certain stuff, weapon selection is relaky good for us controller players since we can bind bombs, rockets and A2A munitions on one key bind, but when it comes down to it the main thing when it comes to controller is about the knowledge of the game.
Back when I was on console I had full real controls set on my right stick and mouse aim on my left stick. Used L2 to activate free look for left stick. Seemed to work pretty well for me
What did you use for throttle?
@@RIY2610 I think I had it set to my arrow keys and made it so every press of the button was 10% throttle
intresting
personally I bound left trigger to turn on full real control when you were holding it down, and just had normal sim controls for that.
Lol this game I have a little under 7k hours have been playing since late 2018 and had in my f5e a 293 to 39 kd but thim i got a talisman and brain dead bombed so it gone now. And i have done it all on controller but i have been playing on a filght stick some the f15 is crazy in sim but. I recommend binding x or a to full pitch up so u can turn tight and un bing activate target point in settings so u can free look win holding x or a to full pull.
I feel like you should do the same battle in simulator mode as it removes the advantage of mouse aim and actually showcases the pilots skill and adds a better challenge for both sides
the agile eagle pack cancels out because of the gun pod, whereas on the f4s the gun is internal
honestly, i feel the big game changer ended up being the flap toggling!
As a player playing on pc and ps5 its way harder to keep an eye on ur. Surroundings on ps5 and its harder to free look follow ur enemy. While turning in. What results in not always knowing where to follow or dodge enemy bullits and to keep out of his guns while dogfighting.
I play controller but is it just me or is 7k hours and 3k hours a thing that should be the same when its not the thing your testing?
Having about 5000 hours on Xbox the one issue I have when dogfighting pc is that console appears to over g quicker because it’s extremely easy to sustain gs
On controller ( I play on the PS5 ) there are settings in Controls to where you can keybind your flaps to engage them manually. I use L2+right to lower and L2+left to raise mine
in the first round you raised your nose first before the planes went past each other
I started out playing on PlayStation, idk how anyone would wanna put there self through the pain of playing this game on controller after playing on mouse and keyboard lol.
For me I just mainly start running out of buttons and ALOT of very important controls for top tier weren’t even bound to any button. I had to spend a good couple hours across tanks, aircraft and helicopters. But luckily wat thunder has the best binding menu that I’ve been able to mess with (because console game usually don’t let you) and I’ve been able to use my L1 as a sort of Function key to roughly double my mappable buttons. I’ve mainly only played ground so far and only need 3 tanks and 1 helicopter to finish those tech trees for Sweden, then I’ll be making the grind focusing on air to get that grippen.
im a controler player but im not like some people who geniueanly think one is better thsn the other (in their faivour) and i think this was an awsome video made me subscribe
I have maybe 400-600 hours on Xbox and after my 3rd month of playing I just realized that I should be using the controller wayyy more aggressively because after I did that I just started to get 3-5 kill games every time. Although you could say that I’m handicapped by the Italian air tree, i have actually played the us tree and British tree and it was more or less the same experience
So if I’m on Xbox but have a mouse and keyboard I can play on which should I do?
I bought a Razer turret (it's an Xbox one branded accessory but runs perfectly on PS5) and enables play from a couch as it has an included slide out magnetic mouse pad and is heavily weighted to be stable on a lap.
I still suck but definitely suck dramatically less than when I'm controller.
Wow I didn't even know that existed!
Just don’t forget that you guys are actually able to turn a little harder than us controller players
12000 hour controller player here would love to test my metal
Not for me. I think I’ll keep my $5 keyboard and $5 gaming mouse and my gaming mouse pad and plug my keyboard and mouse up to my PS4 easy peasy lemon squeezey instead of buying a $80 controller just to make it harder to play the game.
im new to the game can you give me advice on what ammo to use because i seem to not do any damage but i either get 1 tapped and my wing flies off or i get shot out the plane im in t3-t4 area
Look for belts that have he (high explosive) or f (fragmentation) or iai (immediate action incendiary) they blow up! Universal is always good for .50s. air target belts usually have what you need for killing planes.
At some point we have to realize it’s not the controller or mouse it’s the pilot that matters
That’s like saying a disabled person can beat an athlete.
Have PLAYED this game on console?
I hate not being able to move the camera around like yall....😢 Its a monstrous advantage for pc. Ive realized your situation awarness on where he is and what hes doing sinply just cant be matched..... Ive realized offense is best in 3rd person and defense is best in nose cam atleast for me.... Just dtarted 1 week ago.
Did your buddy the 18Gaming person have the aim assist thing they have for console working or should i say on? Plus the console can plug in a keyboard and mouse into the console so they could have the same exact thing as a PC but a tiny advantage with that aim assist console has, No?
Its not aim assist in a literal sence its just being able to lock on to a target and it will track them if you hold the button, which you pc player also get for air, you just need to bind it
i think something fairer is an equal merge w/o taking vertical if you do both of you do so you can see the performance diffs and which control output is more optimized.
I agree but this was more of a "real world" test. You cant really tell from the video but we are adapting to each airframe and tbh I personally am not aware of all the advantages/disadvantages and quirks to each airframe. I am usually a little quicker to pick up on the differences than him but with that said he still pulled frags on me! Definitely a lot of potential on controller.
@@TheSystematicPsycho o gotcha fair enough. yeah the controller is more like a joystick, i'm curious tho what perspective does your friend play in is it first person, cockpit, or third?
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@@TheSystematicPsycho gotcha, will you be covering/have you covered vr vs flatscreen and hotas vs kb+m?
@@michelchaman6495 hotas isn't competitive in realistic but in sim I could do a hotas vs controller possibly.
It's just the fact the pc is what the game is geared towards and consoles a secondary/commercial thought. that is enough to make the consoles less competitive, ive been playing for years only on console and have ALWAYS felt that planes were turning faster, keeping more momentum etc etc than when I fly them, in fact having timed some in turns, often found they would be a lot slower than the specs list said they should be.
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What is the classical piece at 17:35?? Heard it before but cannot pin it. Drives me mad!!
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@@TheSystematicPsycho thx mate! 👍
I seriously feel like the dude on controller wasn't playing as aggressive as the mouse and keyboard player, there are moments where they don't cash in on energy and dive when their enemy is already leading in front of him to fire.
Best thing about console is i hook up a mouse and keyboard. Just so i can eliminate the compound key input. Im sure rb+Y does something while all i have to press is 1 key out of 66+ keys
I know that I’m a bit late to the comment section But did he use the lock on feature that controller players have? They can target a certain plane and the plane will sort of not go anywhere else, but the plane
No he doesn't he prefers the freelook
I always felt that planes wouldn’t be too bad on controller