"This was a special Enterprise designed for fighting the Borg, so I wanted to take out any vulnerability." >removes neck >leaves exposed deck 1 bridge Good Job.
To be fair, that bridge is small and would present a targeting challenge. Torpedoes are renowned for being highly inaccurate. A torpedo salvo of half a dozen would most likely hit everything on the upper decks other than the bridge even when the bridge is targeted. I do agree it needs to be better armoured, though.
@@shiinaai2978 Didn't Data once make a remark to the Borg Queen in the opposite opinion on torpedo accuracy? I think it was the movie insurrection but can't remember which movie was Borg related.
@@adamtobroxen3709 Torpedoes do have a guidance system. So in theory, torpedoes should be more accurate than phasers, but the reality is it is not. Phasers and disruptors can hit the target with low precision but a torpedo could miss the ship entirely. I suppose it's a balancing aspect since torpedoes deal a lot more damage than phasers. So if they're made to be accurate, then there would be little reason to put phasers on a ship.
@@shiinaai2978 hate to post multiple replies, I also forgot for a second it was "designed to combat the Borg", Borg cutting beams. and no matter accuracy of torpedo's or cutting beams the designer removed the neck because it was a weakness but left the nacelle pylons.
@@queenbiscuit311 Nah actually if you think about it, it's more of a safety feature. You got two things to worry about.... Nacelles inside the Defiant means one true explosion and they are done for. The whole ship is destroyed, crew and all, though protected for longer than on normal starfleet ships. Also as TheAmateurAsian said, this probably limits the warp field on the Defiant but the Defiant is also smaller so it's design could make sense. The Nacelles outside the main ship means two things: Larger warp field and Proximity Safety Precautions. You need a large warp field for larger ships and these nacelles are gonna need to be huge. This is clearly unsafe to be in proximity of. If just one of them blows on the inside of a "large defiant", everyone is vaporized. And if you want to get real critical, a starships with a broken nacelle (being on the outside of the ships) are easier to repair and replace. And let's not forget that the nacelles and even the neck of the starships like the TOS Consitution series are actually quite HUGE. More than 10x maybe 100x larger than our current battleships in the seas. So to say these areas are not well-armored is baffling as is.
Except, if he was seated in it for the bridges breach, the seat belt would be holding him in his chair while his lungs turn inside out lol. Seatbelts are meaningless.
@@georgehenry76 they can keep you inside the ship long enough for the emergency shields to seal the breach and environmental control to refill the atmosphere. Inside out lungs or not, I'd rather be inside when that happens.
The chair from that deleted scene was used on Enterprise (NX-01) when Trip fixes Archer’s chair... then totally rebuilds it... funny thing is Trip tells Archer: “Just don’t push that button” and it’s the same button!
@@kewlztertc5386 AWW CMON MAN! Now I have to Data you: no they are not both right. This is about physics not about perspective... Air wont get sucked out into space because its the higher pressure in the cabin which BLOWS itself out into space.
@@TheCaptainCrack Space is a vacuum, vacuums suck. lower pressure + small hole= suction. However, it's all perspective. If you are outside the higher pressure environment, then the turbulence is blowing. In this example, Data was being sucked while on the ship, and blown once outside the hull.
Here's one you missed: It's warp core was one of two new types (along with the Intrepid class's variable geometry nacelles) that didn't _damage subspace in regions that were susceptible._ Starfleet were trialing both concepts, the Sovereign's one was considered better, lack of external moving parts probably helped. And that made retrofitting to older ships a possiblity. This enabled the ship to travel at warp in unstable regions where subspace is vunerable to damage - Note warp does *not damage regular subspace,* if it did then after millions of years of warp capable civilisations there would be no subspace. It was to allow travel in the Hekaras corridor and similar regions (with tetryon radiation) without triggering any effects, a strategically useful ability, especially if encountering similar instabilities during exploration where no rescue ship would know to look if you got in trouble. Or just taking a shortcut or fighting ships in that corridor, especially preventing standard warp drive ships from doing further damage in that area.
I don't think they used Whole Spareparts but could build a provisionally warpcore out of replicated material. The reason for the Intrepid to carry an already assembled one is so they could plug it in and retain warp speeds in hours or even minutes which played in their rolle as scout/ admiral ship. Also they need to take the core offline for landing which implies that landing could damage it. As a science vessle they maybe sometimes stay on a planets surface to conduct experiments to the last minute and then start and make an escape. If the core is damaged in a situation like this and the star is becoming an supernova you would probably be happy to have a spare core to just plug in and escape with warp speed. All other ships which are not designed for landing and situations like this don't carry a secondary core. But probably can build a provisionally one within a few weeks in space so they can attain at least low warp speeds to reach the nearest starbase.
Okay, that the Sovereign Class has the ability to decouple the saucer section like the Galaxy Class is something that was REALLY new to me! And yeah, Picards reaction to the new seat belts was absolutely on-point.
As far as saucer separation goes, the Original Constitution class could do it. It was never shown on-screen but does get described in the Original Tech Manual put together by TOS designer Franz Joseph (1975). Lastly thank you very much for this. The sovereign class is my favorite star fleet design. It took me a while to get used to the galaxy class design. The E version is definitely a 'gun boat'.
125,000 terajoules is a pretty significant punch. That comes out to the rough energy equivalent of a thirty-megaton thermonuclear bomb. In-universe, the photon torpedoes used in TNG had only about twice as much punch as these new guns do, and the torpedoes were considered that ship's most formidable weapon. The Sovereign class is rocking some _seriously_ heavy firepower for the Alpha Quadrant.
tba113 imagine the Klingons had broken the kitimer accords all Starfleet need to send to the klingon boarder is the E and may one or two Akira or defiant class escorts just to show that the klingons aren’t what they used to be
That's from a non-canon source. The same source also indicates that a photon torpedo should be capable of 2.39 gigatons (p 141) and given that the forward on page vii says that there's an active Starfleet disinformation program, any one or both or none of those numbers are correct. What we do know is that 250 meter asteroids can be vaporized (100 megatons) and even larger ones of tens of kilometers reduced to tiny debris as well as partially vaporized using most of the Enterprise-D's torpedoes indicates hundreds of megatons or single digit gigatons.
I wonder if the fighter wing could have been a defensive complement to the saucer section since it could only travel at impulse and it had fewer torpedo launchers than the star drive section.
I spoke to Eaves at a convention once about the lack of impulse engines on the stardrive section. He said he always envisioned that an auxiliary one would lift up from under the saucer section once separated. I pointed out they could have just added a couple small ones on the back of the nacelles and he agreed that’d work too but knew they’d never need it on-screen.
@@carlingas666 candle power would be a measurement of light output... BTU is a pretty good way to give people an idea of the kind of energy involved...however, telling us about the heat output is kinda worthless.. I think the use of joules by the scriptwriters was actually a scientific oversight, as the destructive power of something like phasers would be measured in watts..
@@johnhumphrey9953 that's what I came here to say. Though to do the math a little further, it would be about the energy that the entire human population uses in 2.5 hours.
In the battle with the Scimatar scene, it could be argued that some kind of attraction, or force field protected the con/ops position. Due to the weakened condition of E, they failed. I agree, there should have been a physical backup restraint.
yeah confirmed, google 'star trek skort' it's a skort becuase it's literally SHORTS with two leg holes but with a wrap around from the dress-uniform style panel; so it's technically more of a Starfleet Romper Uniform lol. But it's not a kilt because ther'es fabric between the legs, he can sit down with confidence and not flash his taint and balls.
The saucer separation is my favorite... I figured they just ditched that capability. I really do like the sleek look of the E without that neck though, but those mockups for separation look awesome
And the ship looks smushed without the neck, to me at least! My most beloved model is the Art Asylum Enterprise D with the light features and detachable saucer section; I just love being able to handle something that's near model quality without breaking it and being able to see it at all different angles.... touch just makes it feel so much more real! Kinda like Data and Picard touching the Phoenix in First Contact I guess. 8-)
Yeah, the lack of a neck was always my biggest problem with the Double E and I think that the neck being more of a weakness than the bullseye bridge or the pylons that connect the nacelles to the ship to be a lot of bullshit. They should have kept it, just have made it slightly shorter than the D.
the problem is that Autors are not consistent with their ideas. The shields should be the main defense of the ships. With advanced weapons like phasers it doesn't matter where on an unshielded ship you are if they target you they will hit you. With that in mind the bridge is also not the main target an enemy would try to hit the Warpcore is a much more critical target which destroys the whole ship if hit. With that in mind why shouldn't the bridge be on the upper most deck?
@@TheCyberloki I see what you're saying. But I don't entirely agree. Hyper advanced starship and you want to capture it? Blow up that and now it's a lot harder for the crew to fight back. They CAN reroute bridge control sure but it'll be way harder. I mean the Romulans wanted that Enterprise D pretty bad enough where they rigged up a whole conspiracy. I'm aware this is all fictional n' such but it's interesting to think about
Actually. Couldnt it have been that the deflector dish was only charged with anti-protons at that instance because it was necessary for the Borg to use it in the way they wanted?
shields and deflectors are 2 different things entirely. The main Deflectors purpose primarily is to use its field to funnel hydrogen particles into the bussard collectors to fuel the reaction of creating a warp field and to produce other energy and items from this all purpose fuel and to make water. shields are totally different generators and areas of the ship, work on entirely different concepts, and have totally different designated duties.
Always though separation, the ship lost a lot of fire powers from the saucer section. But there must have been lot of parties in battle bridges since hardy ever used
@@TravelWithCesarin kind of got that, but more used as run away . Just drive section lacked the fire power. But actually when made for show as just a cool awe moment in premiere episode
I'm not sure I even see a point in the Sovereign class having separated flight mode. The Galaxy class had it mostly so they could evacuate civilians and families during battles. The new ship is strictly Starfleet personnel.
@@Revan2908 I saw just it as a oh wow that is cool feature for first episode. Only used twice after first 2 premire episodes.looked more like large floating target.
The saucer-less star drive section of the Big Double E reminds me of both the Galaxy Quest and the Orville, like they got together and had a baby Farscape-style
Still doesn't have _circuit breakers_ or _surge protectors_ in the consoles. And they continue to use _rocks_ for insulation. BTW The arboretum would be a great location to *install the bridge internally.* They just use viewscreens anyway. Swap them around in the post Nemesis refit. And seriously, carry more torpedoes, running out mid battle is just embarrassing. A couple of hundred at least, it wouldn't strain the internal storage of a ship that large. A pre Nemesis refit (post Insurrection?) would be a industrial replicatior capable of making ground vehicles, so it could explain that the Argos Rover wasn't a piece of crap that took up space [so Patrick Stewart could drive one] but was a on the spot design to blend in with a post apocalyptic higher tech Mad Max world with dune buggies armed with plasma cannons. Thus it was an bespoke classic car with a historical gun stuck on at Worfs insistence - and did they have _no crewmembers_ that could do the retrieval mission without requiring senior bridge crew…?
The ship is actually equipped with a few hundred photon torpedos. Question is: how many did they use during the battle (they were eating through those like mints) and when was the last time the ship was resupplied. They hurried into Romulan space and didn't think they would be caught in a scheme to destroy earth. And about the senior Bridge crew going on the away mission: sending Worf and Data was a good choice. It was a hostile environment, so Worf as the chief tactical and security officer being there was justified and Data was looking for that positronic signal usually emitted by androids. Well... And Picard just wanted to drive the Argo.
Actually, I DID know about the seatbelts. The saucer separation was news to me, however. I suspect the star drive section would have it's impulse engines hidden underneath the upper half, or hidden on a set of retracts.
I did know these, but I will give you kudos on finding things that are hard to know or discern. the easiest ones is the torpedo tubes. it is possible to count each in Nemesis, most wouldn't though. the Sovereign Class is my favorite design though cause it always reminded me of classic elegance of the past blended with modern flair and power, it's sleek, but artful. beautiful design. that said, since First Contact I paid extra attention and took notice. of things like, in its early operation it used holoprojection again the bare forward bulkhead of the bridge for a viewer, though after several refits Starfleet eventually installed a traditional viewscreen.
So wait, regarding number seven… He thought the neck was a weak point, and he left the flying buttresses for the warp engines as thin as they were?! I think I might see a design flaw there.
Riker insisted the "flying buttresses" be kept in the refit, but he thought they were referring to his favorite holodeck program when he read that term on the spec sheet.
Darth Meow do you know when you put that out it’s actually really concerning that he ended up marrying a psychologist they can read his mind. I don’t know who that speaks words of.
When I was building my plastic model kit of the 'E', the sub-assemblies involve the saucer and stardrive sections being separate that involve gluing....so there is a 'natural' separation. I was very tempted to keep them separate because it looked so good
@@Normal1855 Yeah season 1 was going for this whole gender equality thing or w/e. I'm glad they changed it so every UNIform looked the same (other than designation color and insignia obviously). Troi had her own thing, but I guess it's she was counselor or w/e. She switched to a regular uniform later, which looked much better imo.
The Enterprise E's bridge being shot open was a missed opportunity to showcase Data's super strength and loyalty to his captain by having him pin Picard to his seat until the force field came up, he was literally standing right behind him anyways in the scene.
The secondary hull could have an impulse engine hidden under the saucer section behind the battle bridge. We will never know as it is very unlikely we will ever see the Enterprise E or any Sovereign class ship on Picard any canon show. It would be nice if the big E has a cameo but unlikely.
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8:43 ....how about change Starfleet's design philosophy of putting the bridge in the top center of the ship? I know it was one of the design requirements by Roddenberry, but still...
C4PT4IN Z3RO -- I always chuckle at the point in Wrath Of Khan where Spock points out to Kirk that Khan employs "2-dimensional thinking." The bridge being the bullseye on top of the saucer is because throughout TOS, weapons never ever fired from above the saucer. The working assumption was that enemies would first need to penetrate the shields, then tunnel upward through at least 10 decks to damage the bridge, because the Enterprise was always above rather than below both enemy ships and planets.
Starfleet did try placing the bridge at the bottom of the saucer with the Shinzon. But that resulted in the captain being eaten by Klingons and the Admiralty dropped the idea.
I'm thinking the Sovereign class may have been a ship in the first design stages during "The Best of Both Worlds." They did mention that a lot of new systems were being designed, but were months away. And, obviously, it would take even longer to design the rest of the ship once the tactical systems were finalized. Six years doesn't sound unreasonable, *if* we accept the notion that it took almost 20 years for Starfleet to take the Galaxy class from the drawing board to the launching of the U.S.S. Galaxy itself. It might even be *too* quick.
A vastly under represented ship indeed. If they only would have done better movies to have more than 4 then we might have seen some of these features. My favorite is the saucer separation for sure. But the fighter wing is also cool. I find it interesting that they have a hydroponics lab on a heavily armed ship. Perhaps all ships have them now to increase crew moral and productivity. I never quite understood having the Bridge exposed non the top. The Defiant was smart with the Bridge buried deeper within. If the bridge was buried deeper on the E then all those "red shirts" might not have died! And there would be no need for seat belts. Besides, seatbelts can hinder mobility which can be critical to survival.
Honestly I would like the Trek Enterprise more if it were more accurate to the life ship it stole the name from and took it’s fame in the process. That ship happens to be the CV(N)-6 USS Enterprise, the CVN-65 USS Enterprise, and the soon to be built CVN-80 USS Enterprise.
Starfighters make sense. You can never have too much firepower. And since shields are the essential defense(and the only thing that keeps the enemy from cutting right through your hull like a warm knife through butter), you can never have too much power for keeping your shields up. Once down, it doesn't matter where you are inside your ship, on the very top of the saucer or at the very core, you're toast.
Hey, folks; don't hate on the man! Even the best of us slips up, every now and again. I do admit to being more of a Trekkie than a Warsie, but even I caught that mistake.
Well... actually this is a half full, half empty glass situation! For any movement of air, one has to have a low pressure vs a high pressure. A vacuum could said to be 'sucking the air out' as well as the high pressure 'blowing the air out'.... In a positive pressure environment as we live in, we use a vacuum pump pump to 'suck' the air out of a sealed container... is this no different or is the air pushing it's way out? It is only a matter of perspective, as with the half full glass.... JMHO
@@howardtownsend3139 It's both. If there were no pressure in the cabin, there would be nothing for the vacuum to suck out. There would be nothing to be blown out. It would just be space. You can't have one without the other.
Once ST starts basing ship designs NOT on U.S. NAVAL VESSELS, then maybe your point will be valid. Where is the bridge on naval vessels even still being currently built... Hmm... That said, yes, the logic is stupid. If anything it should be designed as a submarine is as the entire exterior is a potential target.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the Enterprise E. It's by FAR my Favorite version and to me it's PERFECT in it's aesthetics, size, power, function, power, speed and everything else! From the SECOND i saw it in First Contact I was instantly in love with it's menacing sleek lines, colors and everything. It just looks SOO BAD ASS with so much going on. It's a MASTERPIECE and the Designer REALLY hit it out of the park IMO. It would have been AWESOME if the E Got pulled into the Delta Quadrant instead of Voyager. Almost no one would have been able to touch the E except possibly the Borg and a few other races that had some serious tech and bigger ships. But even then with the incredible updated Firepower of the E, I'm sure they would have still prevailed and with it's speed and being able to Hold much higher warp speed for far longer than Voyager, they would have made it home considerably faster than Voyager could have.
Where'd you find the top speed of the E? I can't find it anywhere on memory alpha. I also found that most of these ships couldn't sustain top speed for very long, with Voyager being notable for its capability of potentially months at maximum warp.
no kidding, who's to say a bad guy takes a broadside only approach instead of bow or stern. kind of like Link bad guy, the knight, you have to stab in the side.
That's a completely useless feature with tracking munitions like photon/quantum torpedoes.....have you ever seen a modern-day missile cruiser configured to be able to fire a broadside volley? That kind of configuration is really only effective when dealing with slow-firing, dumb munitions like guns, or cannons.
@@numberyellow well they have rear torpedos, if side launchers are useless so would rear launchers they could just launch everything out the front and spin them around
@@iantolyczak8411 No, rear launchers are useful for firing at targets while fleeing.... not to mention, While photon torpedoes are warp-capable, to the extent that you are able to fire them at a target while both targets are at warp, attempting to fire on a target that is behind you, from a forward-mounted launcher, at warp, would not end well. Additionally, a broadside configuration would add a huge vulnerability, as it would add multiple highly explosive compartments along center-line of either your primary, or secondary hull (or entire hull, for ships lacking distinct primary and secondary hulls), allowing, in the event of shield failure, the enemy to essentially bisect that hull, or outright destroy the entire ship, with far greater ease, when compared to the smaller targets that torpedo bays/launchers occupy on known designs.
Random guy 1: I bet you don't have the loins to wear that on set. Random guy 2: Oh yea... Watch me 5:34 all of America sees man in a skirt winning a bet.
That was actually because of the mini skirts in tos they wanted to show that it was just a federation fashion thing and that Starfleet wasn’t sexist. The original reason for them was partly that no one would run the show with women in regular clothing
With the separation of the Enterprise E the star drive could possibly have retractable impulse engines and the sauser section could have retractable warp nacelles. Like the retractable warp nacelle on the Prometheus when it separate into 3.
it's technically a skort (or romper) they have leg holes like shorts, but they look like a kilt becuase the uniform front wraps around, like a 22nd century uniform or a 23rd century dress uniform. any gender identity can sit down without flashing.
"I wanted no vulnerability" Still has nacelles on zip-tie thin pylons a hundred meters up. -_- You don't need warp pylons in a firefight. Retract them things. Fit them to the saucer, Miranda style, then have them tuck under the saucer on red alert. Pull the deflector into the hull and cover it with armor on red alert too. While you're at it, put the bridge of the vessel in the middle of the ship, where it should be. If I get to add a feature, I'm giving it the ability to divert ALL movement energy to shields / weapons, and calling it siege mode. Vessel becomes one big chonkers turret in space. Maybe hold out for reinforcements longer than SEPARATE SAUCER EMERGENCY LANDING THEY'LL BUILD ANOTHER ONE LEL.
And the Scimitar was like "nah man, don't really care about that." But srsly. The Scimitars shields are fucking strong if they tank dozens of those shots
"Hey what's your job on the ship?"... "I play the violin... usually around once every two months...The rest of the time I just chill, visit the holodeck a lot... It's a pretty sweet gig"
Performers on ship often doubled as tutors for children onboard or were amateur crewmen. Anthropology staff were also disproportionately represented in the first Enterprise orchestra. (It had three). It does have a crew of over a thousand people.
@@AnonEyeMouse and also given how accelerated learning is represented across many series and episodes, instrument studies would probably be a more prevalent hobby than it is today.
Ive always thought the connecting mechanism of the saucer and battle station should have included one or two small warp drives which stayed with the saucer. This would allow slight warp for the saucer so it could (hopefully) escape whatever danger forced the separation.
I like this Enterprise as she is the most powerful Starship ever built and launched by Starfleet like the fact we see the use of escape pods the ejection of the warp core and the use of the Captain's Yacht that we never got to see in TNG even though we saw warp core ejections seen on Voyager and escape pod launching on DS9.
Enterprise-D neck wider and... shorter? Wider yes, but shorter? Nah. Not even proportionally. The real reason the E and Voyager had no neck: ILM hated lighting the Enterprise-D. No matter what the angle, there was always a shadow. So producers, designers and ILM decided on "neckless" ships. Right around the time when cgi became good and affordable.
..and the D was destroyed as it was designed for TV 4:3 aspect ration and not 16:9 cinematic filming (as well as the Generations story needed a big action sequence even though the ship survived a Borg attack but not a 20 yr old BOP). Everyone that worked on the model(s) of the D stated how much of a pain they were to work with. The last effects studio to work with the D actually had the registry changed to NCC-1701-E before placing her in storage as there was still uncertainty if the second TNG movie would still make use of the model.
@@76TomD And that was a total shame. So many things wrong with the Generations movie, shall I list them alphabetically or chronologically? So much disappointment I always felt for that entire movie, and it had so much potential! :-(
@@MShrader211 yes it was a horrible movie and that's the point. They destroyed the ship to accomplish 2 goals, get rid of the tv model and put 'some' interest into the ending
@@76TomD Oh there's more problems with that movie (though I liked having William Shatner in it mind you!).... where were the ship's background sounds? The uniforms were hodge-podge, some crew people had new style uniforms others had STTNG style uniforms.... it was like the movie was made from whatever they had laying around the studio! Geez! The only good thing about the movie was the Enterprise D looked awesome on the big screen IMHO, and so did the Enterprise B! Other than that, it sucked!! Or blew.... I'm not sure which now! LOL!
Something to consider with saucer separation, the USS Kelvin's warp nacelle was able to be used at sublight. You see this as she's on a collision course with the Narada. So it's possible that the drive section could travel at sublight speeds, they could simply water down the power output.
Haha, he said they want to remove vulnerabilities, but they still design the bridge at the very top and exposed, and the pylons connecting the ship to the nacelles are still thin af.
Unfortunately, there is virtually no canon info about the Enterprise-J since all we saw of it was a technical readout and a slice of corridor. Anything beyond that would be, as Data once said, "mere speculation."
Do we even _have_ 10 facts on the Universe-class? 1. It's big. Really big. 2. It exists in the far future. Really far. 3. It's made with partially-organic alien tech. 4. It has a funky design, but still resembles a classic _Enterprise_ somewhat. 5. Jonathan Archer was aboard for a short time, unbeknownst to the crew.
A couple of comments: Saucer separation was shown in the of the Next Gen. movies and I remember a book I had back in the 60s (yeah, TOS was still on air at the time) that stated the ship had this capability and they would like to show it in Season 4! The arboretum (that's the correct spelling) was another thing mentioned in the book as something that existed on NCC-1701 and I believe it was shown in one of the original crew movies. Thanks for this, though, and the seat belt were a long time coming, when the crew was being thrown from their chairs during a battle scene I always wondered why they didn't have seat belts.
And this is why I've always said that the location of the shuttle bay should always be in the aft of the saucer section and not the aft of the ship. The impulse engines should always be located in the aft of the ship(like the NX-01) so the thrust is distributed evenly along the length of the ship's axis and the engines are pushing the entire ship through space all at once, not pushing the saucer section forward while dragging the secondary hull/engineering section behind it, which would compromise the ship's structural integrity. Additional impulse engines could be added to the saucer section for separation.
my biggest problem with the Nemesis movie is just before the Enterprise crashed into the Romulan ship they had no weapons, shields, or transporters....problem i had was they are equipped with a multitude of shuttles that have both weapons AND TRANSPORTERS...not to mention (so i will) the Captain's Yacht that was used in the previous movie was also equipped with photon torpedoes.....when the Enterprise crashed into the Scimitar it took out the launch bay that held the Romulan Scorpion fighters ....the Enterprise's launch bay is in the rear of the ship totally undamaged......they could have attacked the Scimitar with a fleet of armed shuttles complete with transporters to rescue both Picard, and Data....now you say they also had their own fighter squadrons too.....now i hate that part of the movie even more....lol
The Arboretum isn't obscure enough for me. I'm a Plant Person and this has always been one of my areas of interest but I can see how it might be a new interesting feature for some. I don't think Saucer separation is obscure. It happens in the first episode! and at least one other time in the series and at least once in the films. The separation itself occurs rarely but I don't think there are many fans unaware that it can be done.
Actually, it was the producer's way of acknowledging (and at the same time lightly mocking) the criticism leveled at the show by female fans concerning the differences in gender-specific regulation Starfleet uniforms.
I may be mistaken, but I do believe the saucer separation also happens in the William Shattner novel Preservers as Picard is forced to face down a Ferengi ship as well as an Intrepid Class vessel over Harkon IV
Some young federation engineer must be like: "The Scimitar wasted the Enterprises bridge, I guess its finally time to move the bridge to a more secure location on federation ships!!" And some old engineer mus be like: "shut up Wesley! We got seatbelts."
A: I love how already back in TNG they had the option for crewmen (and women) to express their gender whichever way they chose in their uniforms B: They got rid of the flimsy neck between saucer and engineering section for being ‚vulnerable’ yet the nacells are connected by even flimsier struts 😂 C: Way back I had a Revel model kit of the Enterprise E that was constructed in a way that you could actually separate saucer and engineering similar to Eaves‘ design (though the instructions told you to glue them together lol)
I view the nacelles as a sort of necessary risk. You want them for warp capability but they can be hazardous to the ship itself, so they where placed away from the main hull. Much like a nuclear reactor on a ship, you put it as far away from anything vital as possible, while still protecting it to the best you can. This way if its damaged, you dont lose a quarter of the ship because of it
If you go back to the book "Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise", relating to Enterprise-A (official canon), you will learn that the nacelle pylons placement and geometry are a function of warp field geometry, dictated by the size of the ship and the power of the warp field necessary to move the ship safely at warp speeds. Which explains the size and location of the nacelles on runabouts like the Orinoco (Deep Space 9) and the shuttlecraft of the original series. So, as much as it is indeed a vulnerability, you need the nacelles where they are, or you can't have warp travel,.
@Daniel Gooden The Defiant's prefix is NX, meaning it is an experimental ship. A new warp drive, and thus a different warp field geometry, was among the features they were testing, if memory serves right.
The Bandai model of the E has two grilled areas on the ventral side of the secondary hull that could be impulse engines. The design of the model allows it to be built separated. Matter of fact, Bandai thought those grills were supposed to be lit to begin with.
I'm glad you pointed out the design flaw with the impulse engines and the saucer seperation. It's always annoyed me when the claim is made that the Enterprise E (or any other Soveregin class ship) can separate because the drive section isn't equipped with impulse engines which makes it useless. I've seen some concepts where impulse engines could be installed on the drive section but it's just that, a concept.
Hey man I think I learned something today I'm not as picky I used to watch Star Trek a lot when I was a little bit younger kind of got out of it but I check on you guys to keep in the loop love you guys as a show peace
Sorry guys, I said A-Wings when I should have said Snowspeeders, my bad
Clearly a hardcore Star Trek fan.
Yeah that's what I thought! Ha.
Hmmm Anyone else notice the mistakes in Worf's Dialogue ?
Ben!
Thats ok. we can't really expect much from a Star Trek fan. Lol
Picard's reaction to the seatbelts was perfect.
Yeah! It was expected since TOS... hahahaha
I always wondered why they have no seatbelts. Safety first ☝🏻
@Randy Baumery Tbf, the crew should probably always be wearing some sort of survival suit, considering the amount of times they get sucked out 😆
It takes too long for the emergency force field to activate!
@@koolyman, Ironically, the US Navy thought of this in WWII. You would think Starfleet would develop an EV Nanosuit specifically for this purpose...
"This was a special Enterprise designed for fighting the Borg, so I wanted to take out any vulnerability."
>removes neck
>leaves exposed deck 1 bridge
Good Job.
And the Nacelle Pylons look pretty thin.
To be fair, that bridge is small and would present a targeting challenge. Torpedoes are renowned for being highly inaccurate. A torpedo salvo of half a dozen would most likely hit everything on the upper decks other than the bridge even when the bridge is targeted. I do agree it needs to be better armoured, though.
@@shiinaai2978 Didn't Data once make a remark to the Borg Queen in the opposite opinion on torpedo accuracy? I think it was the movie insurrection but can't remember which movie was Borg related.
@@adamtobroxen3709 Torpedoes do have a guidance system. So in theory, torpedoes should be more accurate than phasers, but the reality is it is not. Phasers and disruptors can hit the target with low precision but a torpedo could miss the ship entirely. I suppose it's a balancing aspect since torpedoes deal a lot more damage than phasers. So if they're made to be accurate, then there would be little reason to put phasers on a ship.
@@shiinaai2978 hate to post multiple replies, I also forgot for a second it was "designed to combat the Borg", Borg cutting beams. and no matter accuracy of torpedo's or cutting beams the designer removed the neck because it was a weakness but left the nacelle pylons.
Starfleet Engineering for Borg Countermeasure: *No neck means less vulnerability*
USS Defiant NX-74205: _laughs in protected warp nacelles_
simon dubya its always baffles me how starships seem to have their warp nacelles just sitting there on thin metal strings
David Cortés it’s to create a warp field large enough for the ship to move around and also so it doesn’t completely destroy sub space.
TheAmateurAsian true but they could be much more protected than they are
@@queenbiscuit311 Nah actually if you think about it, it's more of a safety feature. You got two things to worry about.... Nacelles inside the Defiant means one true explosion and they are done for. The whole ship is destroyed, crew and all, though protected for longer than on normal starfleet ships. Also as TheAmateurAsian said, this probably limits the warp field on the Defiant but the Defiant is also smaller so it's design could make sense. The Nacelles outside the main ship means two things: Larger warp field and Proximity Safety Precautions. You need a large warp field for larger ships and these nacelles are gonna need to be huge. This is clearly unsafe to be in proximity of. If just one of them blows on the inside of a "large defiant", everyone is vaporized. And if you want to get real critical, a starships with a broken nacelle (being on the outside of the ships) are easier to repair and replace. And let's not forget that the nacelles and even the neck of the starships like the TOS Consitution series are actually quite HUGE. More than 10x maybe 100x larger than our current battleships in the seas. So to say these areas are not well-armored is baffling as is.
Also: Lets put the bridge on top of the structure, just to let everybody know where the captain is, and let them be exposed.
I love that the seatbelts make him look more like professor X.
i kind of wonder if, considering it came out between the first and second movies, if it was meant to be a small easter egg for that?
It does
Except, if he was seated in it for the bridges breach, the seat belt would be holding him in his chair while his lungs turn inside out lol. Seatbelts are meaningless.
@@georgehenry76 they can keep you inside the ship long enough for the emergency shields to seal the breach and environmental control to refill the atmosphere. Inside out lungs or not, I'd rather be inside when that happens.
A Picard in the streets and a Xavier in the seats
The chair from that deleted scene was used on Enterprise (NX-01) when Trip fixes Archer’s chair... then totally rebuilds it... funny thing is Trip tells Archer: “Just don’t push that button” and it’s the same button!
generation film: "poor Starfleet officers being sucked out into space."
Data: "Blown out."
Data even RAN out into space in Nemesis.
They're both right, it's perspective.
@@kewlztertc5386
AWW CMON MAN! Now I have to Data you:
no they are not both right. This is about physics not about perspective...
Air wont get sucked out into space because its the higher pressure in the cabin which BLOWS itself out into space.
@@TheCaptainCrack Space is a vacuum, vacuums suck.
lower pressure + small hole= suction.
However, it's all perspective. If you are outside the higher pressure environment, then the turbulence is blowing.
In this example, Data was being sucked while on the ship, and blown once outside the hull.
@@kewlztertc5386
when you speak would you say the air gets sucked out of your lungs to form your voice?
Here's one you missed:
It's warp core was one of two new types (along with the Intrepid class's variable geometry nacelles) that didn't _damage subspace in regions that were susceptible._ Starfleet were trialing both concepts, the Sovereign's one was considered better, lack of external moving parts probably helped. And that made retrofitting to older ships a possiblity.
This enabled the ship to travel at warp in unstable regions where subspace is vunerable to damage - Note warp does *not damage regular subspace,* if it did then after millions of years of warp capable civilisations there would be no subspace.
It was to allow travel in the Hekaras corridor and similar regions (with tetryon radiation) without triggering any effects, a strategically useful ability, especially if encountering similar instabilities during exploration where no rescue ship would know to look if you got in trouble.
Or just taking a shortcut or fighting ships in that corridor, especially preventing standard warp drive ships from doing further damage in that area.
But did they have a spare like Voyager (facepalm) left lying around just in case?
It's the _Enterprise_ , and the crew that routinely had warp core breaches or had to eject cores on the reg. Of course they stocked spares.
I don't think they used Whole Spareparts but could build a provisionally warpcore out of replicated material. The reason for the Intrepid to carry an already assembled one is so they could plug it in and retain warp speeds in hours or even minutes which played in their rolle as scout/ admiral ship. Also they need to take the core offline for landing which implies that landing could damage it. As a science vessle they maybe sometimes stay on a planets surface to conduct experiments to the last minute and then start and make an escape. If the core is damaged in a situation like this and the star is becoming an supernova you would probably be happy to have a spare core to just plug in and escape with warp speed. All other ships which are not designed for landing and situations like this don't carry a secondary core. But probably can build a provisionally one within a few weeks in space so they can attain at least low warp speeds to reach the nearest starbase.
Nerd
@@robertgardner8680 Geek.
In the most endearing way possible, of course.
Okay, that the Sovereign Class has the ability to decouple the saucer section like the Galaxy Class is something that was REALLY new to me!
And yeah, Picards reaction to the new seat belts was absolutely on-point.
"about time."
As far as saucer separation goes, the Original Constitution class could do it. It was never shown on-screen but does get described in the Original Tech Manual put together by TOS designer Franz Joseph (1975). Lastly thank you very much for this. The sovereign class is my favorite star fleet design. It took me a while to get used to the galaxy class design. The E version is definitely a 'gun boat'.
SEATBELTS! About bloody time! So much sci-fi ignores this basic safety device and give the crews of warships roll around chairs!
You know they will cheap out and not install the seatbelts anywhere else...
@@shawn6860 those get installed tuesday
@@nagash303 lol!
@Ben Finny right on the money friend
Most of the E's bridge officers have standing consoles anyway, lol. Another stupid design element btw.
125,000 terajoules is a pretty significant punch. That comes out to the rough energy equivalent of a thirty-megaton thermonuclear bomb.
In-universe, the photon torpedoes used in TNG had only about twice as much punch as these new guns do, and the torpedoes were considered that ship's most formidable weapon. The Sovereign class is rocking some _seriously_ heavy firepower for the Alpha Quadrant.
tba113 imagine the Klingons had broken the kitimer accords all Starfleet need to send to the klingon boarder is the E and may one or two Akira or defiant class escorts just to show that the klingons aren’t what they used to be
I guess that is why it was called the god class.
The later Mk 5 Series Sovvies had even better Phasers and 500 Quantum torpedoes per launcher. As well as 200 - 700 Photons.
Borg Queen: "We will adapt".
That's from a non-canon source. The same source also indicates that a photon torpedo should be capable of 2.39 gigatons (p 141) and given that the forward on page vii says that there's an active Starfleet disinformation program, any one or both or none of those numbers are correct. What we do know is that 250 meter asteroids can be vaporized (100 megatons) and even larger ones of tens of kilometers reduced to tiny debris as well as partially vaporized using most of the Enterprise-D's torpedoes indicates hundreds of megatons or single digit gigatons.
I wonder if the fighter wing could have been a defensive complement to the saucer section since it could only travel at impulse and it had fewer torpedo launchers than the star drive section.
I spoke to Eaves at a convention once about the lack of impulse engines on the stardrive section. He said he always envisioned that an auxiliary one would lift up from under the saucer section once separated.
I pointed out they could have just added a couple small ones on the back of the nacelles and he agreed that’d work too but knew they’d never need it on-screen.
I love these cross-section books. Seeing the inner-workings of these ships gives a real world feel to how big the ships are.
I'm sorry, but BTU isn't antiquated enough for me, can you tell me how many rods to a hogshead is it?
CzechMirco candle power might be another way to measure
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@@carlingas666 candle power would be a measurement of light output... BTU is a pretty good way to give people an idea of the kind of energy involved...however, telling us about the heat output is kinda worthless.. I think the use of joules by the scriptwriters was actually a scientific oversight, as the destructive power of something like phasers would be measured in watts..
The world uses about 430 EJ every year. 125,000 TJ is equal to 0.125 EJ
@@johnhumphrey9953 that's what I came here to say. Though to do the math a little further, it would be about the energy that the entire human population uses in 2.5 hours.
In the battle with the Scimatar scene, it could be argued that some kind of attraction, or force field protected the con/ops position. Due to the weakened condition of E, they failed. I agree, there should have been a physical backup restraint.
05:34 don't be haten on that mans ,manskirt, he owns his masculinity LOL
it's a one piece kilt
I believe its a skort
yeah confirmed, google 'star trek skort' it's a skort becuase it's literally SHORTS with two leg holes but with a wrap around from the dress-uniform style panel; so it's technically more of a Starfleet Romper Uniform lol. But it's not a kilt because ther'es fabric between the legs, he can sit down with confidence and not flash his taint and balls.
He shaves with a Gillette razor.
WTF indeed.
The saucer separation is my favorite... I figured they just ditched that capability. I really do like the sleek look of the E without that neck though, but those mockups for separation look awesome
"Wanted to remove all weaknesses"
Bridge kept in the middle of a big bullseye.
And the ship looks smushed without the neck, to me at least!
My most beloved model is the Art Asylum Enterprise D with the light features and detachable saucer section; I just love being able to handle something that's near model quality without breaking it and being able to see it at all different angles.... touch just makes it feel so much more real! Kinda like Data and Picard touching the Phoenix in First Contact I guess. 8-)
Yeah, the lack of a neck was always my biggest problem with the Double E and I think that the neck being more of a weakness than the bullseye bridge or the pylons that connect the nacelles to the ship to be a lot of bullshit. They should have kept it, just have made it slightly shorter than the D.
@@GreyhawkTheAngry The Odyssey-class has _two_ necks, so you might like that.
the problem is that Autors are not consistent with their ideas. The shields should be the main defense of the ships. With advanced weapons like phasers it doesn't matter where on an unshielded ship you are if they target you they will hit you. With that in mind the bridge is also not the main target an enemy would try to hit the Warpcore is a much more critical target which destroys the whole ship if hit. With that in mind why shouldn't the bridge be on the upper most deck?
@@TheCyberloki I see what you're saying. But I don't entirely agree. Hyper advanced starship and you want to capture it? Blow up that and now it's a lot harder for the crew to fight back. They CAN reroute bridge control sure but it'll be way harder.
I mean the Romulans wanted that Enterprise D pretty bad enough where they rigged up a whole conspiracy.
I'm aware this is all fictional n' such but it's interesting to think about
You forgot the not one but THREE gelato machines and the frozen yoghurt dispenser
And Tuesday was Taco day.
AND a Juicero!
So that's why they got everything installed in Tuesday. The crew wanted to eat tacos. 😂😂😂😂😂
#11 If you want to to blow up half the ship, just fire a phaser at the deflector dish from short distance
Yours Truly If you can... It's a deflector, after all.
Actually. Couldnt it have been that the deflector dish was only charged with anti-protons at that instance because it was necessary for the Borg to use it in the way they wanted?
@@builder396 possibly
Or get Troi to drive...
shields and deflectors are 2 different things entirely. The main Deflectors purpose primarily is to use its field to funnel hydrogen particles into the bussard collectors to fuel the reaction of creating a warp field and to produce other energy and items from this all purpose fuel and to make water. shields are totally different generators and areas of the ship, work on entirely different concepts, and have totally different designated duties.
Secondary shield emitters around the bridge Necelles and other vital areas would be useful
As Data once corrected Riker, "they were blown out, not sucked out. It's a common mistake". Lol
7:32 Riker: " I'll see your demons and raise you my mother-in-law."
Always though separation, the ship lost a lot of fire powers from the saucer section. But there must have been lot of parties in battle bridges since hardy ever used
multivector attack!
@@TravelWithCesarin kind of got that, but more used as run away . Just drive section lacked the fire power. But actually when made for show as just a cool awe moment in premiere episode
I'm not sure I even see a point in the Sovereign class having separated flight mode. The Galaxy class had it mostly so they could evacuate civilians and families during battles. The new ship is strictly Starfleet personnel.
@@Revan2908 I saw just it as a oh wow that is cool feature for first episode. Only used twice after first 2 premire episodes.looked more like large floating target.
That should be an off shoot show or movie a star trek weekend at Bernie's type thing would be awesome
Actually British Ben, I knew like one of those already. NOT OBSCURE ENOUGH!!!!
Let me guess, the no neck "little known" feature?
The saucer-less star drive section of the Big Double E reminds me of both the Galaxy Quest and the Orville, like they got together and had a baby Farscape-style
Where can I order my Mk. 7 Desk Chair, for when my office is experiencing explosive decompression?
No where, they sell only to the military unfortunately.
Sounds like an unfortunate incident caused by Taco Tuesday at the office.
Everyone already jumped all over the A-Wing/snowspeeder thing. So I’ll just mention that you misspelled “arboretum”.
Still doesn't have _circuit breakers_ or _surge protectors_ in the consoles. And they continue to use _rocks_ for insulation.
BTW The arboretum would be a great location to *install the bridge internally.* They just use viewscreens anyway.
Swap them around in the post Nemesis refit.
And seriously, carry more torpedoes, running out mid battle is just embarrassing. A couple of hundred at least, it wouldn't strain the internal storage of a ship that large.
A pre Nemesis refit (post Insurrection?) would be a industrial replicatior capable of making ground vehicles, so it could explain that the Argos Rover wasn't a piece of crap that took up space [so Patrick Stewart could drive one] but was a on the spot design to blend in with a post apocalyptic higher tech Mad Max world with dune buggies armed with plasma cannons. Thus it was an bespoke classic car with a historical gun stuck on at Worfs insistence - and did they have _no crewmembers_ that could do the retrieval mission without requiring senior bridge crew…?
The ship is actually equipped with a few hundred photon torpedos. Question is: how many did they use during the battle (they were eating through those like mints) and when was the last time the ship was resupplied. They hurried into Romulan space and didn't think they would be caught in a scheme to destroy earth.
And about the senior Bridge crew going on the away mission: sending Worf and Data was a good choice. It was a hostile environment, so Worf as the chief tactical and security officer being there was justified and Data was looking for that positronic signal usually emitted by androids.
Well... And Picard just wanted to drive the Argo.
@Mike Sharpelletti They can still run out if Photon torpedos though since they require Anti Matter, which can't be replicated.
@@Jaeih Excuse me. Who gets an invitation to Romulus and does NOT think something is up? I mean, its Romulans FFS!
@@Jaeih with how often they were missing the scitimar wouldn't surprise me if the torpedo tubes they were firing that still worked were empty
Bridges are exchangeable modules. That's one in-universe reason why they're not internalized. Makes for an easy update/refit.
That chair proved that they were too peaceful that star fleet forgot how to not die.
Actually, I DID know about the seatbelts. The saucer separation was news to me, however. I suspect the star drive section would have it's impulse engines hidden underneath the upper half, or hidden on a set of retracts.
I did know these, but I will give you kudos on finding things that are hard to know or discern. the easiest ones is the torpedo tubes. it is possible to count each in Nemesis, most wouldn't though. the Sovereign Class is my favorite design though cause it always reminded me of classic elegance of the past blended with modern flair and power, it's sleek, but artful. beautiful design. that said, since First Contact I paid extra attention and took notice. of things like, in its early operation it used holoprojection again the bare forward bulkhead of the bridge for a viewer, though after several refits Starfleet eventually installed a traditional viewscreen.
So wait, regarding number seven… He thought the neck was a weak point, and he left the flying buttresses for the warp engines as thin as they were?!
I think I might see a design flaw there.
Riker insisted the "flying buttresses" be kept in the refit, but he thought they were referring to his favorite holodeck program when he read that term on the spec sheet.
Darth Meow do you know when you put that out it’s actually really concerning that he ended up marrying a psychologist they can read his mind. I don’t know who that speaks words of.
When I was building my plastic model kit of the 'E', the sub-assemblies involve the saucer and stardrive sections being separate that involve gluing....so there is a 'natural' separation. I was very tempted to keep them separate because it looked so good
Consider magnets? (Of course he did, cancel the comment).
05:34 That's not WTF, that's a Starfleet regulation kilt.
And nobody says a word about the cheerleader outfit Troi wore to the D's Battle Bridge..... LMAO! ROF! ;-)
@@MShrader211 it looks better on her than on him. 😂
@@Normal1855 Yeah season 1 was going for this whole gender equality thing or w/e. I'm glad they changed it so every UNIform looked the same (other than designation color and insignia obviously). Troi had her own thing, but I guess it's she was counselor or w/e. She switched to a regular uniform later, which looked much better imo.
The Enterprise E's bridge being shot open was a missed opportunity to showcase Data's super strength and loyalty to his captain by having him pin Picard to his seat until the force field came up, he was literally standing right behind him anyways in the scene.
The secondary hull could have an impulse engine hidden under the saucer section behind the battle bridge. We will never know as it is very unlikely we will ever see the Enterprise E or any Sovereign class ship on Picard any canon show. It would be nice if the big E has a cameo but unlikely.
Trevor J I mean you never know they used the freaking excelsiors and Miranda’s for like 100 years 🤣
@@willjenkins4195 Yeah the could have a Sovereign or the Enterprise E but for rights and story they will want new ships.
Trevor J story wise yes, rights wise it’s being produced by CBS and paramount so they have all the rights to use whatever
Data: Correction sir, that's blown out. :P
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8:43 ....how about change Starfleet's design philosophy of putting the bridge in the top center of the ship? I know it was one of the design requirements by Roddenberry, but still...
C4PT4IN Z3RO -- I always chuckle at the point in Wrath Of Khan where Spock points out to Kirk that Khan employs "2-dimensional thinking." The bridge being the bullseye on top of the saucer is because throughout TOS, weapons never ever fired from above the saucer. The working assumption was that enemies would first need to penetrate the shields, then tunnel upward through at least 10 decks to damage the bridge, because the Enterprise was always above rather than below both enemy ships and planets.
Starfleet did try placing the bridge at the bottom of the saucer with the Shinzon. But that resulted in the captain being eaten by Klingons and the Admiralty dropped the idea.
The bridge could be in the centre of the ship. It's not like they use windows!
Bridges are modules that can be easily replaced. (I.e. an excuse for why they change design so often, especially in movies.)
The Defiant class bridge is recessed into the ship.
The E quickly became my favorite bad ass ship that Star Fleet needed way before the Borg showed up on the scene.
I'm thinking the Sovereign class may have been a ship in the first design stages during "The Best of Both Worlds." They did mention that a lot of new systems were being designed, but were months away. And, obviously, it would take even longer to design the rest of the ship once the tactical systems were finalized. Six years doesn't sound unreasonable, *if* we accept the notion that it took almost 20 years for Starfleet to take the Galaxy class from the drawing board to the launching of the U.S.S. Galaxy itself. It might even be *too* quick.
A vastly under represented ship indeed. If they only would have done better movies to have more than 4 then we might have seen some of these features.
My favorite is the saucer separation for sure. But the fighter wing is also cool. I find it interesting that they have a hydroponics lab on a heavily armed ship. Perhaps all ships have them now to increase crew moral and productivity.
I never quite understood having the Bridge exposed non the top. The Defiant was smart with the Bridge buried deeper within. If the bridge was buried deeper on the E then all those "red shirts" might not have died! And there would be no need for seat belts. Besides, seatbelts can hinder mobility which can be critical to survival.
Honestly I would like the Trek Enterprise more if it were more accurate to the life ship it stole the name from and took it’s fame in the process. That ship happens to be the CV(N)-6 USS Enterprise, the CVN-65 USS Enterprise, and the soon to be built CVN-80 USS Enterprise.
@@Optimaloptimus Well, if you like spaceships looking like seaships, you can drop Star Trek and embrace Star Blazers 😊😊😊
Starfighters make sense. You can never have too much firepower. And since shields are the essential defense(and the only thing that keeps the enemy from cutting right through your hull like a warm knife through butter), you can never have too much power for keeping your shields up. Once down, it doesn't matter where you are inside your ship, on the very top of the saucer or at the very core, you're toast.
Did you just call a snow speeder an A wing? Damn trekkie
That's a full on Jar Jar mistake he made there
@@Jedi_Scowen LOL
HEEHEE!!!
Hey, folks; don't hate on the man! Even the best of us slips up, every now and again. I do admit to being more of a Trekkie than a Warsie, but even I caught that mistake.
Only a few seconds after the number of torpedo launchers dropped from 11 to 10 too
I love all these videos! Thank you for all your work and effort.
its not "sucked out" its pushed out by the pressure of air in the Ship.....
that's right, Data pointed that out in the "The Naked Now" ST:TNG S1E3, "Correction sir, that's blown out."
@Ben Siener im not American but i do understand it... ;)
Well... actually this is a half full, half empty glass situation!
For any movement of air, one has to have a low pressure vs a high pressure. A vacuum could said to be 'sucking the air out' as well as the high pressure 'blowing the air out'.... In a positive pressure environment as we live in, we use a vacuum pump pump to 'suck' the air out of a sealed container... is this no different or is the air pushing it's way out?
It is only a matter of perspective, as with the half full glass.... JMHO
@@howardtownsend3139 It's both. If there were no pressure in the cabin, there would be nothing for the vacuum to suck out. There would be nothing to be blown out. It would just be space. You can't have one without the other.
@@roberthofmann8403 Yep, just as I said pal... a flow is just a differential air pressure.... 👍
I'm a huge Star Trek fan, and I am suitably impressed. Thanks British Ben
Im just curious when a ship will be designed where the main bridge isnt in the most vulnerable spot of the whole ship..
Well, there was the defiant and it's sunkenn bridge
@@tngtrivedi And the Battlestar Galactica reboot with the "bridge" being a proper command centre located deep inside the ship.
Well, in other universes this is also there. E.G. - the Expanse series.
Remember some of these ships weren't built and war ships being the primary intent
Once ST starts basing ship designs NOT on U.S. NAVAL VESSELS, then maybe your point will be valid. Where is the bridge on naval vessels even still being currently built... Hmm...
That said, yes, the logic is stupid. If anything it should be designed as a submarine is as the entire exterior is a potential target.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the Enterprise E. It's by FAR my Favorite version and to me it's PERFECT in it's aesthetics, size, power, function, power, speed and everything else! From the SECOND i saw it in First Contact I was instantly in love with it's menacing sleek lines, colors and everything. It just looks SOO BAD ASS with so much going on. It's a MASTERPIECE and the Designer REALLY hit it out of the park IMO. It would have been AWESOME if the E Got pulled into the Delta Quadrant instead of Voyager. Almost no one would have been able to touch the E except possibly the Borg and a few other races that had some serious tech and bigger ships. But even then with the incredible updated Firepower of the E, I'm sure they would have still prevailed and with it's speed and being able to Hold much higher warp speed for far longer than Voyager, they would have made it home considerably faster than Voyager could have.
Where'd you find the top speed of the E? I can't find it anywhere on memory alpha. I also found that most of these ships couldn't sustain top speed for very long, with Voyager being notable for its capability of potentially months at maximum warp.
They should have changed some of those torpedo launchers to fire broadside.
Yea i mean even voyager had side launchers for a lil whilr
no kidding, who's to say a bad guy takes a broadside only approach instead of bow or stern. kind of like Link bad guy, the knight, you have to stab in the side.
That's a completely useless feature with tracking munitions like photon/quantum torpedoes.....have you ever seen a modern-day missile cruiser configured to be able to fire a broadside volley? That kind of configuration is really only effective when dealing with slow-firing, dumb munitions like guns, or cannons.
@@numberyellow well they have rear torpedos, if side launchers are useless so would rear launchers they could just launch everything out the front and spin them around
@@iantolyczak8411 No, rear launchers are useful for firing at targets while fleeing.... not to mention, While photon torpedoes are warp-capable, to the extent that you are able to fire them at a target while both targets are at warp, attempting to fire on a target that is behind you, from a forward-mounted launcher, at warp, would not end well. Additionally, a broadside configuration would add a huge vulnerability, as it would add multiple highly explosive compartments along center-line of either your primary, or secondary hull (or entire hull, for ships lacking distinct primary and secondary hulls), allowing, in the event of shield failure, the enemy to essentially bisect that hull, or outright destroy the entire ship, with far greater ease, when compared to the smaller targets that torpedo bays/launchers occupy on known designs.
I enjoy learning about starships... I found this very informative.... thank you so much.
Random guy 1: I bet you don't have the loins to wear that on set.
Random guy 2: Oh yea... Watch me
5:34 all of America sees man in a skirt winning a bet.
That was actually because of the mini skirts in tos they wanted to show that it was just a federation fashion thing and that Starfleet wasn’t sexist. The original reason for them was partly that no one would run the show with women in regular clothing
With the separation of the Enterprise E the star drive could possibly have retractable impulse engines and the sauser section could have retractable warp nacelles. Like the retractable warp nacelle on the Prometheus when it separate into 3.
I'm just saying if I was zipping along in deep space I wouldn't be too worried if I was wearing a space dress either
24th century Starfleet is very forward thinking. Out with the sexism of the 23rd century, mini skirts for everyone.
it's technically a skort (or romper) they have leg holes like shorts, but they look like a kilt becuase the uniform front wraps around, like a 22nd century uniform or a 23rd century dress uniform. any gender identity can sit down without flashing.
@@aeonjoey3d that will be all Mr. Data
I wouldnt wear pants under it. Just for reasons.
"I wanted no vulnerability"
Still has nacelles on zip-tie thin pylons a hundred meters up.
-_- You don't need warp pylons in a firefight. Retract them things. Fit them to the saucer, Miranda style, then have them tuck under the saucer on red alert.
Pull the deflector into the hull and cover it with armor on red alert too.
While you're at it, put the bridge of the vessel in the middle of the ship, where it should be.
If I get to add a feature, I'm giving it the ability to divert ALL movement energy to shields / weapons, and calling it siege mode. Vessel becomes one big chonkers turret in space. Maybe hold out for reinforcements longer than SEPARATE SAUCER EMERGENCY LANDING THEY'LL BUILD ANOTHER ONE LEL.
125,000 terajoules is about equivalent to a 29.875 megaton thermonuclear explosion.
And the Scimitar was like "nah man, don't really care about that."
But srsly. The Scimitars shields are fucking strong if they tank dozens of those shots
@@Jaeih multiple layers of multiple generators... Starfleet took that to heart FINALLY after that point.
@@jonumine6250 general order 23....
"Hey what's your job on the ship?"...
"I play the violin... usually around once every two months...The rest of the time I just chill, visit the holodeck a lot... It's a pretty sweet gig"
Performers on ship often doubled as tutors for children onboard or were amateur crewmen. Anthropology staff were also disproportionately represented in the first Enterprise orchestra. (It had three). It does have a crew of over a thousand people.
@@AnonEyeMouse and also given how accelerated learning is represented across many series and episodes, instrument studies would probably be a more prevalent hobby than it is today.
8:49 - "Correction, sir, that's blown out." (Yes, Data used a contraction.)
I bet he said that mistake on purpose just to mess with us
Once the saucer separates, it is entirely possible to have impulse engines that were hidden.
"10 little known features"
It has no neck!
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Ive always thought the connecting mechanism of the saucer and battle station should have included one or two small warp drives which stayed with the saucer. This would allow slight warp for the saucer so it could (hopefully) escape whatever danger forced the separation.
Impulse engines for the stardrive section are built into the nacelle pylons.
Just a tad impractical dont ya think. shouldn't they have impulse engines away from the naceles just in case the warp pylons are critically damaged?
Did not know that
You sure you're not confusing the Sovereign for the Odyssey? I know the latter has impulse engines on the pylons.
I like this Enterprise as she is the most powerful Starship ever built and launched by Starfleet like the fact we see the use of escape pods the ejection of the warp core and the use of the Captain's Yacht that we never got to see in TNG even though we saw warp core ejections seen on Voyager and escape pod launching on DS9.
Enterprise-D neck wider and... shorter? Wider yes, but shorter? Nah. Not even proportionally.
The real reason the E and Voyager had no neck: ILM hated lighting the Enterprise-D. No matter what the angle, there was always a shadow. So producers, designers and ILM decided on "neckless" ships. Right around the time when cgi became good and affordable.
..and the D was destroyed as it was designed for TV 4:3 aspect ration and not 16:9 cinematic filming (as well as the Generations story needed a big action sequence even though the ship survived a Borg attack but not a 20 yr old BOP). Everyone that worked on the model(s) of the D stated how much of a pain they were to work with. The last effects studio to work with the D actually had the registry changed to NCC-1701-E before placing her in storage as there was still uncertainty if the second TNG movie would still make use of the model.
@@76TomD And that was a total shame. So many things wrong with the Generations movie, shall I list them alphabetically or chronologically? So much disappointment I always felt for that entire movie, and it had so much potential! :-(
@@MShrader211 yes it was a horrible movie and that's the point. They destroyed the ship to accomplish 2 goals, get rid of the tv model and put 'some' interest into the ending
@@76TomD Oh there's more problems with that movie (though I liked having William Shatner in it mind you!).... where were the ship's background sounds? The uniforms were hodge-podge, some crew people had new style uniforms others had STTNG style uniforms.... it was like the movie was made from whatever they had laying around the studio! Geez!
The only good thing about the movie was the Enterprise D looked awesome on the big screen IMHO, and so did the Enterprise B! Other than that, it sucked!! Or blew.... I'm not sure which now! LOL!
Something to consider with saucer separation, the USS Kelvin's warp nacelle was able to be used at sublight. You see this as she's on a collision course with the Narada. So it's possible that the drive section could travel at sublight speeds, they could simply water down the power output.
But does it have a gelato machine??
As a Gelato Enthusiast, I would also like to know.
Picard had it removed to make room for more Earl Grey
It won’t be installed until Tuesday!
I'm crying. The outro is back. I missed this so much.
Please do more on E she was my favorite ship
We also need those seat belts on Mon Calamari cruisers as well. RIP Admiral Akbar.
Where did you find the cross-section diagram of the Enterprise-E?
Was a poster released around First Contact, occasionally shows up on amazon.
GenerationTrek? Love it. Thoroughly enjoy the Star Trek videos and hope to see more.
We are considering a whole channel, but we are already pretty busy.
Haha, he said they want to remove vulnerabilities, but they still design the bridge at the very top and exposed, and the pylons connecting the ship to the nacelles are still thin af.
That was actually one of Roddenberry’s original requirements along with nothing in between the nacelles and nothing blocking them from the front
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Don't wear RED!
that's only in tos.
Nerd fighting words:
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WesMordine, Counterpoint, Space Princess doing a Mary Poppins.
Tell that to Harry Kim.
Knew about them but doesn't hurt to see them again presented in a different way. Good video.
Can you do 10 little known features about the Enterprise NCC-1701 J.
That there even is one would be on the list lol
Unfortunately, there is virtually no canon info about the Enterprise-J since all we saw of it was a technical readout and a slice of corridor. Anything beyond that would be, as Data once said, "mere speculation."
Do we even _have_ 10 facts on the Universe-class?
1. It's big. Really big.
2. It exists in the far future. Really far.
3. It's made with partially-organic alien tech.
4. It has a funky design, but still resembles a classic _Enterprise_ somewhat.
5. Jonathan Archer was aboard for a short time, unbeknownst to the crew.
A couple of comments: Saucer separation was shown in the of the Next Gen. movies and I remember a book I had back in the 60s (yeah, TOS was still on air at the time) that stated the ship had this capability and they would like to show it in Season 4! The arboretum (that's the correct spelling) was another thing mentioned in the book as something that existed on NCC-1701 and I believe it was shown in one of the original crew movies. Thanks for this, though, and the seat belt were a long time coming, when the crew was being thrown from their chairs during a battle scene I always wondered why they didn't have seat belts.
The Orville has seatbelts for the WHOLE crew. (Apparently, they aren't THAT expensive in that universe)
The Orville is a real spaceship.
The Orville is a complete rip off of star trek. I do not know how fox got away with copying star trek.
And this is why I've always said that the location of the shuttle bay should always be in the aft of the saucer section and not the aft of the ship. The impulse engines should always be located in the aft of the ship(like the NX-01) so the thrust is distributed evenly along the length of the ship's axis and the engines are pushing the entire ship through space all at once, not pushing the saucer section forward while dragging the secondary hull/engineering section behind it, which would compromise the ship's structural integrity. Additional impulse engines could be added to the saucer section for separation.
Hey Generation Films what's your thoughts on the Reploids from Megaman?
my biggest problem with the Nemesis movie is just before the Enterprise crashed into the Romulan ship they had no weapons, shields, or transporters....problem i had was they are equipped with a multitude of shuttles that have both weapons AND TRANSPORTERS...not to mention (so i will) the Captain's Yacht that was used in the previous movie was also equipped with photon torpedoes.....when the Enterprise crashed into the Scimitar it took out the launch bay that held the Romulan Scorpion fighters ....the Enterprise's launch bay is in the rear of the ship totally undamaged......they could have attacked the Scimitar with a fleet of armed shuttles complete with transporters to rescue both Picard, and Data....now you say they also had their own fighter squadrons too.....now i hate that part of the movie even more....lol
8:45 Nothing. Sadly you can´t save a red shirt :(
The Arboretum isn't obscure enough for me. I'm a Plant Person and this has always been one of my areas of interest but I can see how it might be a new interesting feature for some. I don't think Saucer separation is obscure. It happens in the first episode! and at least one other time in the series and at least once in the films. The separation itself occurs rarely but I don't think there are many fans unaware that it can be done.
Just wanted to add that background men wearing skirts was on purpose to show that gender conventions stopped existing in the 24th Century
Actually, it was the producer's way of acknowledging (and at the same time lightly mocking) the criticism leveled at the show by female fans concerning the differences in gender-specific regulation Starfleet uniforms.
Or maybe he's just proud of his Scottish heritage. Scotty wore a kilt at least once, as well.
I may be mistaken, but I do believe the saucer separation also happens in the William Shattner novel Preservers as Picard is forced to face down a Ferengi ship as well as an Intrepid Class vessel over Harkon IV
Some young federation engineer must be like: "The Scimitar wasted the Enterprises bridge, I guess its finally time to move the bridge to a more secure location on federation ships!!"
And some old engineer mus be like: "shut up Wesley! We got seatbelts."
I can't be the only person that's always wondered why the British thermal unit uses the pound instead of the kilogram
4:30 _Krall would like to know your location._
I love your channel! Additionally I am big into both Star Trek and Stargate.
125,000 terajoules is roughly equivalent to a 30 megaton atomic bomb.
Thank you.
I actually didn't know any of them so great video thanks 😊
lmao, only brits would measure phasers in wood pellet furnaces & some random "BTU" unit
I don't know why he references BTU units as there are no longer used here in the UK. We use kilowatts (kW) and have done for the last 25-30 years.
@@illusionuk Air conditioning is still BTU. And most heaters have kW and BTU printed on them.
@@jaymee_ no, we would have went straight for megatons with numbers that big.
@@jaymee_ Ha!
@@jaymee_ close, how many football fields of BBQ pits.
the hydroponics actually serve two things fresh vegies as well as help with the air scrubbers. to help clean the air
A: I love how already back in TNG they had the option for crewmen (and women) to express their gender whichever way they chose in their uniforms
B: They got rid of the flimsy neck between saucer and engineering section for being ‚vulnerable’ yet the nacells are connected by even flimsier struts 😂
C: Way back I had a Revel model kit of the Enterprise E that was constructed in a way that you could actually separate saucer and engineering similar to Eaves‘ design (though the instructions told you to glue them together lol)
I view the nacelles as a sort of necessary risk. You want them for warp capability but they can be hazardous to the ship itself, so they where placed away from the main hull. Much like a nuclear reactor on a ship, you put it as far away from anything vital as possible, while still protecting it to the best you can. This way if its damaged, you dont lose a quarter of the ship because of it
If you go back to the book "Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise", relating to Enterprise-A (official canon), you will learn that the nacelle pylons placement and geometry are a function of warp field geometry, dictated by the size of the ship and the power of the warp field necessary to move the ship safely at warp speeds. Which explains the size and location of the nacelles on runabouts like the Orinoco (Deep Space 9) and the shuttlecraft of the original series. So, as much as it is indeed a vulnerability, you need the nacelles where they are, or you can't have warp travel,.
@Daniel Gooden The Defiant's prefix is NX, meaning it is an experimental ship. A new warp drive, and thus a different warp field geometry, was among the features they were testing, if memory serves right.
The Bandai model of the E has two grilled areas on the ventral side of the secondary hull that could be impulse engines. The design of the model allows it to be built separated. Matter of fact, Bandai thought those grills were supposed to be lit to begin with.
Not obscure enough. Return to the vault and make me more videos Mwuhahahaha!!!
I'm glad you pointed out the design flaw with the impulse engines and the saucer seperation. It's always annoyed me when the claim is made that the Enterprise E (or any other Soveregin class ship) can separate because the drive section isn't equipped with impulse engines which makes it useless. I've seen some concepts where impulse engines could be installed on the drive section but it's just that, a concept.
ok , where are the toilets?
And what are the 3 seashells for? :-\
Starship toilets are always on deck 2
Hey man I think I learned something today I'm not as picky I used to watch Star Trek a lot when I was a little bit younger kind of got out of it but I check on you guys to keep in the loop love you guys as a show peace