GENERAL HAT ETIQUETTE FOR MEN | BACK-TO-BASICS SKILLS
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- In this video your enigmatic host shares some advice on hat etiquette for the modern man.
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During the winter months, I wear fedoras when traveling. The rules I follow are like yours but in an indoor public space (airport, large store, hotel lobby) I keep my hat on. When moving to a more personal space such as restaurant seating, office appt, etc. the hat is removed. A quick story (pre 9/11), flying with my wife and seated just back of first-class. My bag and hat carefully stowed, a guy comes onboard late, with no space in the first few rows of overhead stowage, he opens our overhead and starts jamming in his bag and coat. I mentioned to please be careful as there is a hat up there, the only answer was a grunt something about first-class and goes back up to the first row. Once in the air I went to get something and opening the bin my hat was crushed in the back. After the curtain was drawn, I took his bag and coat and went to the back of the plane and placed the stuff up in the last overhead bin. My wife was thoroughly embarrassed, but I thought it a good punishment to make every passenger get off the plane before he could get his bag. Upon landing I told my wife to follow me to get off the plane as quickly as possible and mentioned to a flight attendant what I had done so the crew and offender didn't think his stuff was stolen. To my delight, the flight attendant also thought it was a good lesson and had a good laugh.
I agree with you here in America in public spaces. I don’t remove my hat, but like you said restaurants offices, it’s proper for you to remove your hat. I agree with you on moving his luggage to the last bin on the plane.
I agree. You can leave it on in public, take it off in private. Now, what is public and what is private isn't always obvious, but that's a good basic guideline.
Very appropriate and measured. Personally, I would have emptied my dinner into his bag and given it a good shake, so I clearly have much to learn😂.
Overhead bins are very high-risk areas for hats, I would think. People just jam everything in there, as you experienced. Too bad there isn’t another option for hat storage.
I was taught that one’s hat should stay on in queues, lobbies and big spaces- so Post Office, airport, supermarket etc, though comes off when you are speaking to someone. Otherwise agree 100%
Good day Ash. Back in the seventies when I was in my twenties I took to wearing hats. Unfortunately, due to the lack of hatstands and the general disregard for hat wearers, I gave up the practice. Now that I'm retired I have reacquainted myself with the hat. The problem of a safe place for the hat still remains, but , like yourself, I've learned to adapt.
I've always loved hats and wouldn't leave home without one. I own a wool felt trilby/fedora like the one you're sporting, an Equadorian panama for Summer and my straw boater, worn at a jaunty angle of course, when I want to cut a dash on Saturdays. Thank you for emphasising the importance of removing or doffing the hat. These are crucial practices of etiquette, regardless of what the baseball wearing public think.
I am one of those that does remove his hat (even the baseball cap) when entering a building and I do get a smile from folks if you tip your hat to them so I totally agree with you on this one Ash.
Fantastic video Ash!
Few are the things more disappointing than seeing a fine clothed and suited man wearing a baseball cap.
Especially sitting at a table in a nicer restaurant.
Here in the Netherlands, whenever I ride my bike, I wear a Harris Tweed flat cap.
It gives me great joy, when a car yields for me (For example, on a roundabout) to tip my cap as a thank you to the driver.
I firmly believe it can benefit safety. Because said driver will feel appreciated, which may give him an incentive to be the best driver he can be.
Wonderful. Hat wearing and etiquette are both excellent examples of the charm and politeness that the world sorely needs in our current days.
Ash I have been wearing fedoras since the late 1970s. My wife loves it when I wear it but she also gets aggravated because I always get compliments for other ladies 😂. If I'm going to a restaurant I usually wear a flat cap because it is easier to stow away while eating. If I do wear my fedoras I do as you suggested. If walking down a street and a funeral procession passes by I stop turn to the street and remove my hat till they pass. I really hope hats make a comeback I am very tired of seeing baseball caps everywhere and men never remove them while dining. Thanks for the advice. Cheers Ron
In a crowded restaurant, where us a hat to go?
Stupidity makes an interesting read for a short time.
I wear all my hats according to my attire, weather and occasion. A vast array. Lately my bowler came in often as it is to mild for a winter month. Even in my car my head is covered any hat except large brim fedora as it touches the seat behind.
For almost 15 years, I've been wearing a Trilby on occasion, which has been complimented de temps en temps; in the last year, I've also acquired a Boater and a Bowler and the former proved to be a remarkable conversation-starter, as well as a most suitable summer hat. I've also had an Ushanka for the last few winters, which is astonishingly warm and rather fun.
At my 50 year high school reunion, there were about six or seven of us with hats and several with caps.
A friend of mine and I carried a table over close to the front door for hats and put our hats on it. We were the only two to do that, everyone else kept their hats on their heads.
It is interesting to see how many people follow suit when you take off your hat. In the same venue as the 50 year reunion, a grand nephew of mine and his bride had a wedding reception recently. There wasn't a spare table to carry over to the front door so I set mine down on a chair. I noticed that three or four other men followed suit and took their hats off while they ate, but most left them on.
I liked my niece's reception better. It was outdoors at a friend of mine's ranch. I left the hat on the whole time.
I went to an afternoon dinner a couple of weeks ago at a residential center for the elderly. There was nowhere to place my hat so I set it between perpendicular to the ground between my ankles.
That said, if I'm at an old style lunch counter like we still have in my county, there is nothing to do but keep it on my head.
Another excellent show! One "trick" that I use when wearing a flat cap (upon entering a building, etc.) is to fold it back on itself and then place it in an inside pocket of my sports jacket. Very convenient.
I spent time in the military (Canadian) and so learned hat etiquette early. That was a long time ago, but I have been on a bit of a hat journey in the past year or so.
For many years I wore baseball caps when I needed shade from the sun. However, when my wife and I were going on a trip to Greece and Italy last summer I didn’t want to look like a typical tourist. I have a white cotton Trilby that I was given at some function a few years ago and decided that it would suit the location and occasion, and would be easy to pack in my luggage. I really liked how it looked and when we got home I bought a higher quality lightweight straw Trilby to wear in the sun.
Since then, and since discovering your and others’ TH-cam channels, I have bought a number of flat caps to wear in various situations, and I have grown very fond of them. I have not had a ball cap on my head for a long time and maybe never will again.
Check out your local Winners/Marshalls as ours locally had several Christy's of London hats. It was a very short stock window here, but I managed to get a grey wool Fedora, but didn't have a brown one in my size.
Damn man, that is one sharp and dapper outfit you have on! Such a great shade of purple/plum and cut. Most men look like Prince or The Joker if not done well.
Oddly enough I emailed you earlier tonight and mentioned tipping my hat. The rule I was taught regarding removing hats was wear it in a public space, remove it in a private space, but a private space can also include a private gathering within an otherwise public building.
Any courtesy you show will look better than that guy over there wearing his baseball hat at the fine restaurant.
Man, that is a gorgeous overcoat!
Go to your local thrift stores. Overcoats are really under valued these days and you can find a lot of them for around $20, most of them quality vintage. Value Village (USA/Canada) is good if you have one in your area.
Excellent advice on hat etiquette. Ash.
In the summer, when I'm wearing a Panama hat. I am usually sitting outside on a patio, and I don't remove it even when eating and drinking with a group of people because my head would be exposed to the sun just the same as if I were walking down the street. (Patio umbrellas are not always available, nor do they always provide adequate shade.)
It's easy enough in the spring or fall to put a flat cap into the pocket of a coat or jacket without damaging it when walking into a building, but I confess I have issues when I am wearing a fedora and sitting down to eat and drink.
As you have pointed out, hat racks or hat check facilities are virtually non-existent in restaurants today, and the cafe I frequent with friends on a daily basis has such minimal space, and so few chairs, that even placing my hat on a chair is rarely an option.
I am also reluctant to place it on the floor under my chair, for fear it will get stained, especially in wet weather, or crushed, etc.
Although I know it is technically a faux pas, my default behavior when wearing my fedora at my favourite cafe has been to simply leave it on my head, as I've noticed that those men who are wearing baseball caps, or other forms of headgear, rarely ever remove them.
It goes without saying that I would remove a hat when entering a church or a public building in circumstances where I could just hold the hat in my hand. In a restaurant or cafe, however, I have yet to find a satisfactory solution to behaving properly while at the same time taking proper care of a four hundred dollar Stetson fur felt fedora.
The Modern Dandy's Guide to Hat Etiquette
I. Formality Matching
For casualwear, such as a polo, dress shirt alone, with a cardigan, etc.: a flat cap, pork pie, trilby, Panama, or fedora. (Be careful with the trilby or fedora and very casual looks to avoid the neckbeard look.)
Semi-casual, such as a sport coat with a necktie or cravat: a flat cap, pork pie, trilby, Panama, fedora, or boater.
Informal, such as a tweed or summer suit: a flat cap, pork pie, trilby, fedora, Panama, boater, casual bowler, or casual homburg.
Cocktail attire, such as a dark suit: a dark pork pie (no straw), Panama, fedora, boater, bowler, or homburg.
Daytime semi-formal (a stroller): a boater, bowler, or homburg.
Evening semi-formal (a tuxedo): a boater or homburg.
Daytime formal (a morning coat): a light grey felt top hat for summer, a collapsible opera hat, or a silk plush top hat.
Evening formal (white tie): a collapsible opera hat or silk plush top hat.
II. Removing One's Hat
Remove a hat in a private place, but keep it on in a public place. All of the following are considered public:
- outdoor streets, parks, sporting arenas, beaches, concert venues, or any other similar outdoor area.
- the lobby of a hotel or theatre.
- a restaurant other than one's table.
- an office other than a cubicle or private room.
- a bar, even when seated.
- a porch.
- a grocery store, mall, or other similar store.
- public transportation, but feel free to go either way depending on convenience.
The following are considered private areas:
- a seat at a restaurant or theatre.
- a private home.
- a cubicle or private office room.
- an elevator by some, but keep one's hat on if the elevator is more full.
- a car by some, but many skip this, partially out of safety.
Other exceptions:
- At a place of worship, the hat may be expected to stay on or be removed depending on the doctrine.
- At a funeral or for when a procession is passing, the hat is removed.
- For the American national anthem, the hat is removed.
III. Doffing and Removing the Hat
The traditional etiquette is to remove a hat when speaking to a lady and to doff one's hat to passing people. Today, I recommend always removing the hat when speaking to anyone of any gender as a sign of respect for conversations that last longer than passing thanks or acknowledgements.
Thank you. Today it's a casual philistine world.
The officers salute didn't go unnoticed sir
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In the navy lower ranks would salute with their hands palm down as to not offend higher ranks by showing them dirty hands.
However officers would show palm forward as acknowledgment that manual labour was below their station.
When I was a child, it was explained to me certain hats were tied to the status of a person. Bowler = Leader, Fedora/Trilby = Middle Mgmt, Pork Pie or Flatcap = Young/Starter, Bucket hat, ball cap, hat w/logo = Chav. LOL
When entering a religious establishment, you need to know the custom. If the place is Jewish or Muslim, the hat remains on the head. It is seen as an act of humility. If Christian, the humility comes from removing the hat.
For the US National Anthem, the hat is removed and held over the heart. If you have no hat, the hand is placed over the heart. I don't know if it is ignorance or what, but this is now rare. Veterans, by federal law, may now render a military salute.
Great video.
I was so disappointed the other day. I attended a funeral that was in a church.
Of course as i entered the front door i removed my wool fedora, (winter in canada) only to see a couple men wearing baseball hats within the church.
One of the men left his on even in the sanctuary during the service 😑
Hopefully soon at least manors will come back. Although im really hoping for a little more gentlemanly style
Heres a twist for you, the only restaurant i have found locally that has hat & coat racks at tables is a pizza restaurant. For those that may know it Boston Pizza. 🤷♂️
Cheers 🥃
Great stuff, as always, Ash!
I will note that the cinematic James Bond hasn't worn a hat as part of his regular wardrobe (I'm excluding space helmets and such) since the earlier Connery films. That will tell you something about the declining position of the hat in general men's fashion over the past 50± years.
I'm in accord with you on the times when its appropriate to doff one's hat: Private homes, smarter restaurants, and places of worship. I will note that Conservative and Orthodox Synagogues require men to wear a "head covering", which some men interpret to mean anything including baseball hats. To be really respectful, most Synagogues will lend a Kippah for their gentile male visitors.
To me, the choice of wearing a hat these days comes down to function. Do I need a hat to keep my head warm or dry? To provide sunshade, to keep cool in summer? To stop my hair blowing around in windy conditions.? And the last "function" would be to add an extra note of formality or dash to an otherwise fairly formal outfit. I've been known to wear a Fedora or Panama hat while walking to Church on Sunday mornings.
Thank you! A pet peeve of mine is people sitting down to eat or drink in a restaurant or other indoor venue and keeping their caps on. My father taught me differently, and my training in the South African Defence reinforced it. We were likely to suffer severe punishment for sitting down with our berets or helmets on. Headgear was to stay on one's head when entering large or public areas, such as a shopping centre or the company HQ buildings, but MUST be removed when entering a restaurant or dining room.
Thank you ash , I have two cow boy hats , 3 fedoras , 2 Panama hats for work and 2 stylus wool soft flap caps Like you folks where in the U K to keep my head warm , I love wearing my hats sometimes to protect me from the sun sometimes to just feel really confident and keep my head warm and other times just to shield myself from the world as I am aware of the power one has or the imagined power One has when wearing a sharp hat out in public or going to a house of worship thank you for all the reminders 😊 your friend from across the long pond in San Diego 🎉
Thank you Ash, I have learned these tips in the US Navy. It is good these are still the rules :)
Good Morning Ash
Hats!
I have numerous, I do not own a Baseball cap.
I still have to wear a Beret/ Forage cap/ Bush hat for Green stuff.
My got-to is a newsboy cap if, for no other reason, than to keep rain out of my Deaf-aids.
I have hats for costume use; Boater, Pith, Fedoras and a dove grey Bowler.
I also have a couple of Tilley hats for those times on the hills
I found myself wearing a black bowler hat at my wife's late Uncle's funeral last week. My daughters said I looked like the Monopoly man (I may sent some images of a behatted me, for your consideration)
*Salute
The Bowler is my boss-hat these days. Only to be deployed when total dominance of a situation is required, because when I walk into a situation wearing it - people go silent and become incredibly reverent towards me.
Last year I bought a black fedora to keep my head warm while wearing my Sunday suit in the winter. I was standing at the curb in front of my church (Western US). A man driving by went around the block to stop and tell me he thought the hat looked great. I've had several compliments on it. We also got one for my son who plays in his high school jazz band. He loves his and wears it to church and in all his performances. He also made a hatstand in woodshop.
Now, thanks to you, I'm in the market for a wool overcoat!
Love your channel; thanks for the tips!
Only one thing to add if you enter a building into a large open space such as a West End store or an aircraft hangar, it is not impolite to continue to wear a hat. However more than once did I feel my school cap ripped off my head and thrust at me by an exasperated parent when we got in a lift.
Every time I hear Ash say, “My name is Ash,” my mind automatically finishes it with, “…and I… am a slave.” 50 pts to whoever gets the ref. Ash, wear your bowler more! Over here in “the States,” it seems like there are a few exceptions to wearing hats indoors, in places like supermarkets, shopping malls, Walmarts, etc. Generally casual interior public spaces that are so big, that it kinda feels like you are outside.
ETA: Ash, can you attempt to research the different numbers of cuff buttons that appear on different types of formal and semi-formal jackets and coats?
I appreciate your addressing this issue, but I wish you'd checked with me first. You were mostly right in broad strokes, but you were too vague in some areas, leaving open some misunderstandings. Let me clear this up easily.
When to remove a hat is predicated on public and private spaces. This isn't really short, but the points are short and easy. The rest of this comment is explanations and examples. But if you're in a hurry, three rules:
Public spaces - hats on.
Private spaces - hats off.
Optional nowadays - converse with a lady - hats off.
All of outdoors in public (there's an exception I'll cover later). Thus you may leave your hat on outdoors. Someone's home is private, so off comes your hat. Remember, you may take your hat off outside if you wish, but must remove it in private.
These rules are also true for the lobbies, hallways, and elevators of business or government buildings, train stations, airports, hospitals, etc. That hat on your head as you board the train or plane and walk down the aisle is fine, or through a restaurant on your way to a table or the counter. The hat may remain on your head in all public settings, and need not be removed until you enter private territory.
Lobby - public;
Personal office - private.
Hallway - public;
Apartment - private.
Just think Public or Private?
A man wears his hat in the elevator - fine. That is a public conveyance and not a private compartment. You enter an office of a building you take off your hat, because you have left the public area.
Every early James Bond film made a tradition of Bond taking his hat off as he entered Moneypenny's office. Watch The Maltese Falcon for several scenes of Bogart walking covered through hallways of hotels and office buildings, and remains covered until he enters a room.
In restaurants you take your hat off at the table, unless there is a hat check. A booth or a table is a private space that is meant just for that party, so off comes the hat. The counter is still public, so leave your hat on while eating at the counter. Take a look at old photos of diners. Hats and the counters, no hats at the tables.
Sometimes, if two people are seated together, a man may remove his hat, because they are a party sharing a section of the counter, which makes that section private. But that is really in the weeds, if you're with a lady you take your hat off anyway.
This is the exception that is today optional. Traditionally, when a man greets or responds to a lady he'll take his hat off. This applies to anywhere you are.
Another not if you make it this far is about religious institutions. Your statement applies to Christian Churches of course, and certainly the Church of England. But it doesn't apply to other religions. As clearly stated in another post, Jewish and Muslim religions follow a different custom. It is always best if you don't know, ask. If there isn't anyone you see to ask, look at what every one else is doing.
ladies are permitted to wear hats during the day up to 6pm. the exception is if you are the hostess. They don't have to wear a hat at all.
If you look at some historic photos from our (US) Civil War, you will see a “hat chair“ anywhere where there’s a group of gents dining.
I have only a bobble hat, so probably time for an upgrade……😮
When lacking a hat rack I put my hat on my knee under the table. I walk in hat in hand and sit then place it right over my most accessible knee. I've always done it that way. I don't know if this is the right or wrong way though.
I attended a Jewish funeral several years ago. As I entered the funeral home I instinctively removed my cap. I was kindly asked to please put my hat back on, as a mark of respect, as I came to understand is the Jewish tradition. Looking around I noticed, indeed, that all of the men were wearing hats. I sat through the entire funeral service with my hat on. It felt very odd. But, when in Rome, ... (if you'll pardon the somewhat mixed metaphor).
The problem with decent hats and long coats is that when you get to where you're going, there's nowhere to put them.
Thank you once again. Ivan
The practice in America in bygone days, men kept their hats on in big department stores or hotel lobbies.
I learned hat etiquette at Uplands Preparatory School in Bournemouth in the early to mid 1970s. A schoolboy cap was part of the uniform. We were drilled to doff our caps to teachers, other pupils' parents, and of course our mothers when they picked us up at the end of the day. Incidentally, we also stood up whenever a teacher entered the room.
A question Ash: Would you agree with me that it is fine to wear a hat that exceeds the formality of the rest of your outfit, but absolutely not the other way round?
It's a tightrope to balance upon. I would not wear a Bowler with anything less than a formal suit and a smart suit at that. But a Bowler with a Harrington jacket would be a potential criminal offence in London.
@@TheChapsGuide Unless you're going for that "Clockwork Orange" look.....
I'll agree there aren't any hard and fast rules. Don't wear a baseball hat with any item of tailored clothing ie. suits and jackets. Don't wear a top hat with anything other than white tie or morning suits. Unless you happen to be Slash (Guns 'n Roses guitarist) or similar.
But wearing a knitted watch cap with a topcoat over a suit when its cold out? Fine by me.
Keep in mind: Wearing a hat, any hat, with tailored clothing is a bit of an anachronism in 2024. That doesn't mean you shouldn't, or can't, do it. But tread carefully.
Sometimes I forget that I'm wearing a hat. One time I came inside my wife's Auntie's home and her Auntie said with a strong voice to me " where's your manners !" My wife knocked the hat off my head. LOL
I recently try to put on pomade more often & also find it useful to decrease hat hair. I use "duke cannon" pomades and slick it back to the right side. after the pomade dried out it make putting a hat on easier without me having to pull my bangs back & putting on a hat which i find it more comfortable to have my bangs back with wearing one. A tip i was given when I was in a hat store was get yourself a hat box, espaclly if your buying new & instore. It keeps it safe & you can go all out with getting a hard plastic 1 but you can do what did which have a cardboard 1 which can still do the same.
I’m not much of a hat guy but I do love the bowler. ❤
Me as well.
I’m not sure if there is a formal etiquette covering sunglasses, but there should be. My suggestion would be as follows:
1. Always remove your sunglasses when you are about to talk to someone.
2. Always remove your sunglasses when you enter a building.
It rude, and can be intimidating to speak to someone when they can’t see your eyes.
In the Swedish armed forces the hat is always removed indoors, and always worn outdoors.
Forget that and those of superior rank gets….rather loud.
Also, you never salute without a hat or helmet.
You simply stand to attention, or if walking, make a head movement locking eyes with the person to be saluted.
It still feels weird to me when i see beanies or baseball caps indoors.
Talk about timing! I’m so glad this is your topic of the day, Ash! Recently, I’ve come to like the trilby with the (I think) herringbone band pattern Telly Savalas once wore on “Kojak,” but I can’t seem to find it anywhere, so I ended up buying two trilbys; harvesting the band from the cheap one. If anyone knows where I might pick one up, please feel free to let me know! Thanks indeed!
Hats off to you for such an extensive guide!
When asked how one should wear a fez the correct answer is, of course, just like that! (apologies for the in-joke for British chaps of our age!)
Splendid advice again. I haven't yet been brave enough for a Coke or Homburg but a day out for me in a fedora is common in the winter.
During summer I enjoy a Panama hat - for any gents considering one please research Panama hats shrinking, it's wise to size up when buying a new one.
Part of what seems to be the national outfit of Yorkshire means I'll often be seen wearing a flat cap, for which the same rules of etiquette apply.
I'll always stop and remove my hat when a funeral cortege passes too.
My deepest apologies for not being able to attend the Leap day gathering, unfortunately I have to attend something many miles away the first thing next morning
that's far less interesting but unfortunately requires my presence.
I will read the synopsis with envy!
Kind regards,
Rob
Here many people wear hats while eating. No comment.
I like cork strips to resize my fedoras where needed.
Not worn one in a while though. Really should pick them back up.
am 47 and still got my hair , i like wearing hats , most time is Trilby or flat cap ,baker boy , and when riding my bike is army cap or cycling cap , don t really follow the etiquette to the letter , but still remove it when seating at restaurant or in church when i go to photograph weddings or baptisms , in bar or pub when standing or at bar not really
Two further expansions to your tips, excellent though they are, are transport and pubs are considered "outdoors" so do not require hat removal except for the snug where you are seated with hat off. The second tip is doffing or touching the hat to ladies you pass in the street. Always use the hand furthest away from the lady to tip the hat. If involved in conversation with a lady, or in a "outdoor" space but close to a lady, such as a foyer or lift, remove the hat and hold it with the top facing out.
I have a huge dislike of men wearing hats indoors, whether it be a cap or other. Sometimes I teach at a university and one of the students once wouldn't remove his wooly hat when I asked him. He later said in the class he wanted to work in the Middle East.......I asked if he'd wear his wooly hat there.
Hats go on in a synagogue.
Luckily we have the Jersey Shore close by and we have a yearly vacation that gives me the chance to break out the Panamas.
Good point well made about men and hats in church. In other religious buildings such as synagogues men should keep their heads covered as a sign of respect. Mosques and Sikh temples I'm not sure about. But here's a question to you as an ex-military man - why is it that on Remembrance Sunday the guy carrying the RBL standard keeps his titfer on? It does my head in that these guys think that their rules trump church rules when they come into church. Rant over. :D
In the US military, you keep your hat on indoors if you're under arms (such as military police) or if you're in the colorguard. I don't know about your situation in particular, though, or the armed forces of other nations.
Picked up a lovely tweed trilby, used, that was retailed by The Scotch House in London(interestingly, they became/were Burberrys). The hat is a 58 or 7 1/8 in old money which is the right size for my head. I feel that few hats suit me, I'm quite heavily set... lol and feel the brim of the trilby is a touch narrow for my stature and look a bit Peter Butterworth. I see the same thing with off the peg jackets... and I don't mean silly modern cuts, bespoke clobber seem better at matching lapel width to the girth of the wearer. I'm wondering now about a trilby/fedora style so the hat comes out a little more to my shoulder width.... as with yours.
Can I put the hat back on after removal when entering a restaurant? I only wear hats if I need a haircut & need to hide it & so taken the hat off would defeat the purpose
Putting your hat unde your chair is a new one. So your hat is resting on the floor? Do you then place it upside-down? This is the reason I'm not yet wearing a hat
Much like Chuck Berry, I’m so glad I’m livin’ in the USA, except for a number of minor pet peeves, one being the baseball cap. I refuse to wear one as a matter of principle. Instead, I have several military-style forage caps. They look better, and at the end of the summer I throw them in the washing machine. Problem solved. So gents, if you can’t bring yourselves to wear baseball caps, here you go.
What about trains and train station platforms? I tend to leave my bowler on, as I believe it constitutes as being outdoors for the platforms and then trains are public spaces, so the hat stays on
I personally always wear hats, started out with the ever usefull allrounder, the Fedora (I have....5 at least...), moved on to the Fedora's predecessor the Bowler or Coke-hat (...various from greys, blacks and navy ones to the odd burgundy Bowler...), added (and modyfied) very dapper Homburgs (the town's just across a rise from me anyway, so it was kind of obligatory) and even vintage Top hats and now an ever growing collection of Newsboy Caps.
As for ettiquette I follow a couple of additional, how do I call it... "refinements" sounds horribly arrogant but you'll get it 😉, e.g. when entering an indoor place where you intent to be in contact with some service employe of sorts like a doctor's office you are in a semi public location before you talk to a receptionist of sorts (then it's hat removal time) and/or sit down in a waiting area (again off with the hat) your hat remains on since it's an "inside-outside" area.
Similarly when commuting via public transportation there's different hatiquette depending on what, how long and how far:
Busses, trams, subways and commuter trains are "public spaces" for all intents and purposes so the hat remains on, however mid and long distance trains (and for that matter planes, even when it's a half hour hop, say Frankfurt-London) or rather more precise travel with reserved seats or compartments are by definition (very small😉) private places and therefore it's hats off with the expetion of the conductor because it's his work Uniform😉.
A modern chap I fuel should also limit the "reaction" formality to a tip of the hat in 99% of situations, especially (or rather specifically) when encountering females, for the simple reason that conspicious removal of the hat with a slight bow is very likely to come across not as polite and proper but weird in the best of cases, emberassing or in the worst case downright creepy in a "unnervingly intense attention"-way.
Also: Love the "wide brim trilby" - I'm pretty sure it wouldn't look good on me but it's always great looking on you Mr. Jones!
Best regards
Raoul G. Kunz
Hatiquette - I think you just spawned a new way of life!
Does entering a shopping center count as going indoors or do you leave your hat on until entering specific shops?
Hard to spot a hat at all. Maybe I see one person a week wearing one. (If at all.) I have a bowler hat myself that I wear on special occasions.
I do try to follow the chap- lifestyle guidelines, but could just not wear a hat, just feels totally alien.
Re entering a building, no - not all buildings require you to remove your hat at all. Hotel foyers and lifts, post offices, etc., for instance, are considered 'outside' too. Restaurants are 'inside', and sitting to eat with a hat on is awful, marking you as a complete pleb from a mile off. Exception would be a cafe with outdoor tables in very sunny weather.
Got it wrong about tipping your hat too; 'Thank you, sir.' - no _adult_ should do it for another man, though there is an exception for the military when meeting a uniformed officer of higher rank when you are in plain clothes.
What would your rules of etiquette require in a situation where someone is wearing a hat to cover up ugly sores from skin cancer removal? I think a good rule of etiquette for that or any other situation would be for people to take into consideration that things are not always as they appear and refrain from passing judgement.
Same rules apply sir.
@@TheChapsGuide Ok, should you happen to be sitting at the next table from me at a restaurant next time my dermatologist has left me looking like I've been the victim of a drive-by, I'll be happy to comply. Bon appetit.
A clarification please.
I have read in many different places...that you remove a hat holding the brim...not the crown. The reason...so you can maintain the shape of the crown itself. Now...I notice the expert...you...removing your hat from the crown. Personally...this looks incorrect. But that is just my take.
If anyone recalls the 50's TV show Superman...you will notice Clark Kent grabbing the brim of his hat...and quickly removing it (with authority) as he dons his superhero costume.
Overall however...after observing this action in many movies...it is a 50-50 proposition. Some folks use the crown...others use the brim.
I prefer the brim method.
Your thoughts please.
It’s really not an issue with a Bowler, the crown is rigid. I’m not too precious about such matters.
I always wanted to know if the etiquette rule of removing your hat when entering a building also applies to a baseball cap as well. Most people I see wearing baseball caps never remove it.
They should remove it. Only a slob or boor leaves it on. I have seen restaurants with signs asking men to remove their hats or caps. And I have seen men argue about the sign, claiming a right to wear their baseball caps wherever and whenever they choose. That would not have even been an item of discussion a few decades ago. No respect for others.
Not necessarily inside the vestibule or hallway. Definitely, when entering the apartment or office space. Ask yourself if you are in a “public space” or “private space “. In a restaurant the table is, in a sense, an intimate or private space requiring removal of the hat. The bar is not and hats might be worn. It can be nuanced but judging the situation based on public verses person space will help guide you. To be safe, remove your head cover when going indoors.
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The male/female religious side comes directly from the Bible. However for the women it is more a scarf than hat which is why you still see it in Islam, In black churches very fancy hats are often worn by the women but I would argue that this is a discurtisy as an elaborate hat will obscure the view of a person behind you more than a head scarf. You still find certain Christian sects today where women wear more of a scarf/bonnet every day. 1 Corinthians 11:2-16
Is it fine to remove your hat in a fine establishment when your hair is a mess?
I’ll defer to Tony Soprano. th-cam.com/video/A85u4gSoO6I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=RJXkzniYV1wCxrCU
Carry a comb and use the restroom to make repairs. ALWAYS REMOVE YOUR HAT OR CAP! Show respect!.
It’s better than leaving your hat on. Personally, I wear a ushanka in part because I like the way it messes up my hair.
I haven't completely phased out baseball caps, BUT a flat cap does not work in every situation. That "campaigner" hat is not the correct style for the trad brown ranger hat and obviously that graph is not exhaustive.
I thought Stingy Brim and Pork Pie were basically the same thing under different names but one is just not turning down the brim and wearing Carribean style instead.
There are so many styles and price range of fedora for starters, and then the cowboy ones and some other ones that is really not much difference in terms of proper etiquette overall, though.
I have not had much luck getting hats that are too big to fit, but the tight ones never quite stretch enough, right? BUT supposedly hats can shrink and that is a problem that I may have encountered once but not very typical, either. Some companies have sent me stuffing option pads, but I found them disappointing overall. Fitted hats don't seem to always be much better than off-the-rack sizes. Seems to vary from one to the next, so this was one product I always preferred to try on at a store when possible even more than shoes, I suppose.
I admit that in certain bars and restaurants and things, it has become commonplace to just wear the hat, and most younger guys are wearing theirs to make a statement, anyway... And if the place is crowded, there's nowhere to put it unless back in the car or leave it at home, etc. I would like to say this should only count for Halloween or something, but as you say, hats have become less common overall, so the few who DO wear them out for evenings and such, pretty much must wear them indoors. I think where the distinction NOW lies is if they are sitting down to eat or just hanging out to watch a ball game or socialize.
You're actually not supposed to put it on and take it off by the crown like that, either, which is nearly impossible for most men to remember now, apparently, and they should also be stored upside down to not mess up the brim, but I still stack certain ones for convenience in storage if they are less costly things.
Is it ok to wear my hat at night ? As long as I remove it in private area?
Yes
I’m not sure all these tips are appropriate. Some religions require men to have heads covered. And some occupations require hats indoors. Also, removing a hat while shopping seems impractical.
I recently learned ( I can't remember where ) that when in public or a public building, the hat remains on. When in a private building, the hat comes off.
When in the Pub, my trilby remains on. I'll try to locate my source again.
The Gentleman's Gazette had a good video on this. One example: if you are in the lobby of a large company you can keep your hat on, but when you are directed into a personal office within that company, the hat should come off. I would dare say, if you were on a tour of a large factory you should keep your hat on your head where it is safe, then your hands (or at least one if holding a brief case) are free if the tour guide is handing you something to look over.