Really appreciate you addressing this subject, and I also appreciate your approach. I reconnected with my faith in my late teens/early twenties through the Hebrew Roots movement and while there are some beautiful things that I think the western church would benefit from by understanding the Hebrew calendar and feasts etc.. There were a lot of damaging teachings that took me some time to unlearn. Thank you for the content you continue to put out.
Sorry you had a bad experience with the HR. Can you give me an example of one of the damaging teachings. I know, as in all groups, there are those who may not get things right. Thanks
God will judge the works of everyone on earth at the time appointed. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
That is what you been told, but I don't think that they believe works earns them salvation, but that obedience to the law of God is a righteous walk before God, nothing to do with salvation. Question to you, have anyone in the Tanakh kept God's law? Yes or no.
@@sundownsam How is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses , the proohets, David, etc, all saved before Jesus? Luke 1 v 6 " and they were both righteous before God , walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless". Jesus came for the LOST house of Israel, not those not lost. Mark 2 v 17 Matt 15 v 24 Matt 9 v 13 Luke 5 v 32 Luke 19 v 10 Etc.... Revelation 12 v 17 Revelation 14 v 12. Dont be deceived by the beast.
I’m adding this comment because I was involved with a Torah observant group here in South Carolina for over one year. I’m not happy to say this but I detect a slight hint of arrogance amongst these people. Not that they brag, but they look at main stream Christianity/theologians, with the idea that many are called, yet few are chosen, and they believe that they are chosen. They have an idea as if since the Bible says that the way is narrow, and only a few people find it, well, they believe that they are the few that “found” it.
I've been to various denominational churches (particularly "oneness" apostolic & Church of Christ) who believe they've got a lock on salvation due to some particular doctrine they believe they've gotten exclusively right & everyone else has gotten flagrantly wrong. It seems to be the insecure human's desire to elevate oneself at the expense of others?
I was thinking the same thing while watching this video, that basically that they are the remnant that has it right and everyone else is wrong. Typical of cult like teaching
Yes. I had been told directly “yes, that is what it (the verse/passage) says, but this is what it means” too many times. The gal that lured us into torah has a TH-cam channel and she actually said that we were in danger of losing our salvation if we didn’t keep the feasts. I won’t link it because I don’t want anyone else to be misled.
My wife converted to Judaism about 5 years ago. She was a professing Christian when we were married but then started looking into Hebrew Roots at the behest of my stepson who was dabbling in Torahism. He backed out of Torahism but she did not and soon she declared Christianity and even Christ as false teachings. I would say it has had a significant negative effect on our marriage.
That's heartbreaking, Andrew. I'm sorry to hear that. Sadly, she is not the only person who has followed that path. But we serve a God of miracles and no one is ever too far gone for Him to bring back! Keep praying. Our hope is not in vain. Blessings, Rob
I am sorry to hear how Torahism has impacted your family. I pray that the love of Christ will strengthen you and that the Holy Spirit will comfort you and enable you to show that love to your whole family.
This is so good. These are the same issues I bring up when discussing this with HR adherents. History is just not on their side. If you REALLY think the apostles taught this, then why dont you see any of their immediate successors teaching it? I mean, as early as Ignatius (who was taught by John) you see him chiding the keeping of Jewish customs: “Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace.” - Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians, letter 8.
but it sounds so cool to say yehuhashishuha instead of Jesus and it feels so special to celebrate Yom Kippur instead of boring old Easter. shaleem shalam shalom
I think the issue is that people are conflating the idea of Jewish customs, Jewish oral laws and traditions, and Mosaic temple laws with the ten commandments. Grace you have received, yes, but you are to practice the commands, teach them to others, and practice the faith of Jesus, like Revelation 14:12 says.
❤loved this teaching!!! The Lord has used you to help me get" untangled" from Torahism! I have found myself again in Christ Jesus!! Back where I belong 🌺 Thank you brother for the teachings that point to christ and not mans religion. I have found such freedom in Him again. He has used your teachings to articulate what my heart always knew but my head could figure out. You are a true blessings and I appreciate you!!! Shalom 💜🙏
@@rayray4192The ignorance and willful blindness of some people baffles me. So, if HRM is a demonic cult, why then, during the Millennium, all nations will keep the feast of Tabernacles? This feast is in the Torah, isn't it? Zechariah 14:16 KJV And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And, when Yeshua is reigning as King of the whole world, during the Millennium, he will be teaching himself...wait for it, the Law of Moses. Isaiah 2:3 kjv And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The last time I checked, the sky and the earth were still here. Hence, the Law of Moses must still be valid. Jesus also gave a warning about ascribing a work of God to the devil. Let me give you a hint; it has to do with being in danger of eternal damnation. If you don't understand something, best advice: either do some research about it from the Scriptures. If not, just leave it alone and keep doing what you're doing. Peace.
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
If I might add one other comment, having been involved with a Hebrew roots group here in South Carolina previously, they do not speak accurately about those who disagree with them. They have asked me not to share videos such as this with them, and have made in accurate comments that these type videos are coming from people who “do not believe the Old Testament“! This is so far off the rails! Rob, myself, and most of Christianity definitely believe the Old Testament, we believe that it points to the coming Messiah! These Hebrew roots people, they believe that all of the rest of the Christians going to church on Sunday are in disobedience to God. They do not like to be challenged, they do not like to be questioned and when I question them, they will not answer. And I definitely asked some blunt questions such as, if you do honestly believe that the Christians going to church on Sunday are disobeying God, then why don’t you get out there on the sidewalk and protest and warn them??
He already warned us himself not to go the way of the heathen. You don't worship God the way you like you do it the way he says. Meeting on a Sunday and worshipping false Roman Catholic gods is what most do today. You don't get "The Spirit of Truth" unless you obey the commandments and will be deceived until you do. Choice is ours to make.
@@Bouncer83 "'Woman,' Jesus replied, 'believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.'" ~ John 4 : 21ff
@@kimartistamen sister, these people make it about the day of the week instead of being about God. It becomes a ritualistic , robotic automaton way to make themselves think they are pleasing God or getting closer to Him by what they do or dont to on a Saturday to me is completely rediculous and show how weak their Faith really is
@@kimartist What I wrote has nothing to do with what you replied. I agree 100% with what he said. People are still worshipping gods they don't know. When you call Yahuah god it's the same as me calling you woman. Nobody is worshipping the Father in spirit and truth. Everyone is doing it the way their religion teaches not him. I don't know if you were agreeing or trying to tell me something. Research Babylon and what we do today that came from there and come out of it. All Sungodday churches that think the Sabbath isn't important but Sungodday is super special are deceived into thinking so. The Sabbath is a sign we are his. See what Yah has to say about it.
I love how Mr solberg is so kind and addresses HR people as their friends in a loving way . He has never been disrespectful to them. I sometimes fall short of doing that I get mad . lol keep up the amazing work Mr rob
What if the Bible was written by Hebrew prophets and apostles? What if the Bible has a Hebrew historical, mindset and cultural background? What if all the Bible's Hebrew writers point's to the Messiah, not to themselves? What if Yeshua was a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, Israel not in Rome, Italy? What if Jesus came to Israel first, then the gospel would spread to all the nations after the day of Pentecost? What if on the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem was written the twelve tribes of Israel? What if Jesus is going to come back as the Lion of the tribe of Judah and reign from Jerusalem?
And what if God made Israel as the fleshly representation through which He would then bring the spiritual reality through Christ-completing the old covenant (which was time bound) and establishing the new covenant (which is eternal).
Where does Yeshua say dont obey God. Where does he say dont dont keep thr law. Which was given to gentials at mount Sinai to (there was a mixed multitude at the mount as well as well as Isreal)) What did Yeshua say about the path.. Matthew 7:13-14 NASB1995 [13] “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [14] For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
I’ve watched this video laboriously over the past three days. I’ve come up with 45 points of contention, but I could have easily come up with over sixty. The speaker’s word games he plays are astonishingly infantile, but I guess that’s because of who it’s directed at those who subscribe to his channel. It’s the only reasonable answer I can come up with. AND I do not mean that as an ad hominem attack, either. He finishes with a statement about making comments, and it appears he might get to them, but probably not. He also ends the video with the word “Shalom,” which, since he did not mention anything else in Hebrew during this video, I can only take it as a mocking finish. One glaring problem with this video is its lack of Scriptural support. I had so many passages in my notes, but I realize that most people who grab a hold of this sort of thing are into fast-food spirituality, so they are not prone to listen to anything longer than 30 seconds. The speaker’s idea of using a “thought experiment” just goes off the deep end with so many of the broad questions he asks to impugn other people’s thoughts, ideas, concepts, and standings. I began to laugh at the video when the speaker mentioned “Torahism.” My mind immediately went to Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism, Anomianism (which they all take part in), and Dispensationalism, along with others, but I digress. I’ll get right to the meat of my jibber-jabbering. The speaker erroneously concludes that there is nothing written about the Xtian church against Torah-observant people. I only have to mention one word - POGROM. I’ll leave it to others who actually care about the matter to go out and see for their self how many times the “church” (remember Spain? How about England in the 1100s. The Russians in the 1800-1900s) actually took part in terrorizing and killing millions of Torah-observant people (and not just the Jews). So often, the Xtian organizations took on tacit approval of what was done to the Jews, and, much to the contrary of the speaker’s claim that nothing was ever written about the Xtian church taking part against Torah-observant people can clearly be seen to be in error. Show me, in Scripture, where the resurrection was to have taken place on the first Sunday, after the first full moon, after the spring equinox. You won’t find it. It’s a creation of paganistic infusion brought about by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). This is just a hint of where Xtianity has removed matters of Torah and replaced them with their traditions. I’ll briefly get to Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim. Show me, in Scripture, when the Messiah was born. His birth has nothing whatsoever to do with Christmas. “Mass” in the RCC means “death” or “departure.” The shortest day of the year is Dec. 21/22. The day Sol Invictus appears in the sky for the least amount of time. Three days later, the Messiah was said to have been born. Ask any of your Wiccan friends about this. They’ll be glad to enlighten you about where this came from. As it is, do a study both on Passover (Pesach) and Sukkot, and you’ll get your unequivocal answer to this question. Shabbat was changed on whose authority? There is nothing in Scripture about this, but, there is a WHOLE LOT to support the truth that Shabbat has not been done away with in Scripture. I can probably speak to this under another one of the speakers’ posts. If you want to look further into it, go here: www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html I mentioned Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim, just above. What are the Xtian versions of those things? As regards how so many geniuses were clueless about Scripture, one only needs to understand the concept shown in Is. 29:10-14 and for Israel in Jer. 16:14-19. One only needs look at the news for the latter reference. Faithful and obedient Israel says, “Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.” Again, look at the Xtian version of Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim. There is just so much more that I could cover, but I’ll end it here by asking the speaker to make a video regarding his take on the following: What does the following mean? “…And we know that the Torah is good if one uses it legitimately…” (I Tim 1:8) See also Romans 7:10, 12-14, 16, 22; Romans 8:3-8 (Please, remember Romans 7:14). If one is not in the Spirit, which is Torah, then one is in the flesh. What does the following mean? “For not the hearers of the Torah are righteous in the sight of Elohim, but the doers of the Torah shall be declared right.” (Romans 2:13) See also Mt. 7:21-27, with special emphasis on what the word “lawlessness” means, Scripturally, and James 2:14-24. Finally, what does the following mean? “Do we nullify the Torah through faith? Let it not be! On the contrary, we ESTABLISH THE TORAH.” (Romans 3:31) See also Romans 7:12. I’ll be moving on to the next of this speaker’s videos, as they appear to be easily disassembled. I don't really expect any sort of answer to any of these things. Onward I go!
If christians were under torah, Titus would have been circumcised in accordance to Torah. He wasnt. If Christians were Under Torah This verse would conveniently have to be ignored Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) For the priesthood being changed, 👉🏿there is made of necessity a change also of the law.👈🏿 the Priests lips taught the people the law of God, According to Malachi 2. If the Priesthood is changed, Then so does the person who we should Listen to Concerning the law. Christ is the Priest. Christ said this Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV) 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 1) Christ fulfilled the Law 2) Heaven and earth Passed (Look up what the jews understood this term to mean) 3) When Christ Died, The New Covenant/ law of Christ was in full affect. You might say, well paul kept a nazirite vow after Christ departed into heaven, He did that as to not offend the Jews, The same reason he circumcised timothy, To not offend them. Paul tells you several times that righteousness is NOT limited to the customs of the Jews. Noah was righteous, Yet he wasnt under Mosaic law, Neither was abraham. U might say Genesis 26:5 (KJV) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. HOWEVER the Commands and statutes that were Given to abraham that we can see in the bible are Not the ones we see given to Moses, An example being, The covenant with men that came before abraham was in genesis 9, In genesis 9 God gives Noah and his sons the right to consume all flesh at their own discretion, which INCLUDES “Unclean” animals deemed so in the law of moses. So we see abraham who was born under that covenant was considered righteous. And so u might say, “Well Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals” And to that i would disagree again, Because the Book of Genesis was rewritten by a later author who put those terms into the book, Just like he put “Land of Nod” and “land of Dan” in there, Neither of those lands were named thus prior to the book of Joshua, and or later, so we can see genesis has a later revisionist behond moses. SECONDARILY the clean and unclean animals prior to Genesis 9 were strictly for sacrifices/ offerings, BECAUSE according to genesis 1:28-29 Man was only permitted to eat Herbs bearing seed, and Not animals Flesh. So you see prior to Moses righteousness and wickedness existed OUTSIDE OF THE LAW OF MOSES. Furthermore Ecclesiastes 7:29 (KJV) Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. God already made men upright, Before even Moses. The King that took abrahams wife KNEW that adultery was wrong, Before Moses was even Born. God flooded the earth for the sake of violence. If i loved my neighbor as myself how could we have violence? In the bible noah didnt have feast days and sabbaths, Neither did abraham. Only the jews were given that covenant. Deuteronomy 5:2-3 (KJV) 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day. The covenant made in horeb was for a time, UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION. I can show more if you would like to dialogue, please feel free to reach out @5102001566, if u want to pick my brain on my thougjt process, because i, at one point thought about it through a torah mindset, but ive come to a different conclusion. If not, I understand🙏🏿
@@Biblicaldetail 1. No one is to be coerced into following Torah. Coercion creates prosylytes. Willful obedience, coming to understand matters, in time, makes disciples. 2. With the priesthood being "changed," there would also come a change of Torah. Well, that interpretation is totally in error. The Torah does not change, at all. EVER. What changes is the understanding of what was given in the first place. What makes the new cutting (covenant) new is the disposition of sin. That is all. There is nothing more. Now is the exact same thing as prior to Yehoshua's coming, with the understanding of the types being fulfilled in the anti-type. Nothing has changed except the understanding. This was foreshadowed by the "veil" Mosheh had placed over his face. The glory is not what was fading. What was fading was the ignorance of the people, having its complete and total fulfillment in Yehoshua. This is why the rending of the veil in the temple occurred. It was symbolic of that truth finally being revealed in the Messiah. 3. In Jewish thought, "heaven and earth passing away" is often interpreted as a symbolic representation of a radical transformation or renewal of the world, signifying the end of the current era and the coming of a new, messianic age, often referred to as "Olam Ha-Ba" (the World to Come), where the world will be perfected and a righteous society will exist; this doesn't necessarily mean a literal destruction of the physical universe, but rather a profound change in its nature and order. This new order of things will not take place until Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot at some point in the future. It has not occurred yet. Adopting the thought that heaven and earth has passed is nothing but a lot of hot air. The Messiah, in Luke 24:44, indicated what was written about Him, SPECIFICALLY. We are to be aware of those specifics, as they point right to His eventual second return. Sukkot = "The Season of Our Joy." To think that the Messiah fulfilled all of Torah would be in error, also. How would He have fulfilled those things which are given to women? There are a host of other things that do not apply to Him, but apply to all of us in varying degrees. 4. As regarding what Rav Sha'ul taught, it might behoove those who have an anomian bent to look up Romans 2:13 and 3:31: "For not the hearers of the Torah are righteous in the sight of Elohim, but the doers of the Torah shall be declared right... Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah." Also, look at Romans 7:12-14. These are absolutely CLEAR indicators as to what Rav Sha'ul both thought and taught. Nothing could be more clear. Even Ya'acov's statement backs up Rav Sha'ul. Go look it up. 5. As regarding Rav Sha'ul having circumcised Timothy, I'd have to think that Timothy wasn't coerced and had probably given thought to the matter long before he AGREED to have the circumcision done. If one were to ACTUALLY look at the passage in Acts, in verses 1-4, one would see the situation spoken of above. Rav Sha'ul would not have pushed Timothy to be circumcised. As it is, in verse four, we see that they went through the cities, delivering the "regulations to keep," that included the four in Acts 15, but also what is shown in verse 21. What is shown in verse 21 would indicate that circumcision was still a matter to take into account. It was not to be pushed, though, as the covenant of circumcision is a family matter. Those who are on the outside of the family should consider being just like Ruth. In being like Ruth, they would be accepted into the family. 6. You'll have to do a better study of documentary hypothesis to understand what is given in the Torah regarding place names. As regarding any sort of "revisionist," one might aptly apply the thought, but not the fact, of Yehoshua being that writer. Mosheh did not go about doing everything on his own. His assistant had a hand in helping. There may have actually been talk between the two men. Imagine that! You might also want to look more deeply into the Hebrew and how homonymic words are applied. An example of "the land of Nod" can simply mean "being in the state of vagrancy." The same goes for Eden. There is no place on the planet known as such. The term "‛ēḏen" simply means "pleasure." Again, man was created to be in a state of pleasure. It is a fact of mind, rather than a temporary physical place. As regarding the “land of Dan,” I’d have to think you’d find fault with the term “brother,” as seen in Bereshith 14:14, but there is no problem there except for those who are clueless. But I digress. In Devarim 34:1, we also see the term “Dan,” as in “the land of,” since it had not been allocated to the tribe at that point in time. A simple, although rather long, explanation will suffice: To the rationalistic objection that “identical names of places are not imposed twice,” we may reply, in general, that it is “in full accordance with the genius of the Oriental languages and the literary tastes of the people” to suppose that a name may be renewed; in other words, that a new meaning and significancy may be attached to an old name.355 This fact sweeps away a host of objections urged against this and similar cases. The whole series of events served to recall to Isaac’s mind the former name and the circumstances which gave rise to it, hence he renewed it. From 26:15, 18 we learn that all the wells dug by Abraham had been filled with earth by the Philistines, but that Isaac reopened them, and called them by the old familiar names. This would seem a sufficient explanation of the case before us. In much the same way the following examples of a twofold naming are to be solved. Bethel named at one time, Genesis 28:19; at a later time, Genesis 35:15 (at the first time Jacob made a vow that, if God would bless and keep him till his return, the pillar which he had set up should be “God’s house.”356 Upon his return, in view of the abundant blessings which he had received, he performed his vow,357 changing the ideal to an actual Bethel, and thus emphasizing and confirming the original name). Dan named, Genesis 14:14; Deuteronomy 34:1 and Joshua 19:47; Judges 18:29 (many commentators-Deyling, Eichhorn, Hävernick, Hengstenberg, Jahn, Kalisch, Keil, Lange, Quarry, Zeller, and others-think that in Genesis another town is intended, that commonly termed “Dan-jaan.” Possibly the city may have had two names in ancient times-Laish (or Leshem) and Dan; one of these being more used at one time, the other at another.358 Le Clerc suggests that the town was originally called Laish, and the fountain Dan, i.e. judge; but that the Danites gave the name of the fountain, which corresponded with that of their own tribe, to the city, as a substitute for its former name). renewal is aptly intimated and expressed by the renewal of his name). (Haley, John. Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible . Whitaker House) As regarding “Dan-Jaan,” we see: “If the reading is correct, the name of a city mentioned only once in the Bible (II Sam. xxiv. 6). It was one of the places included in the route of Joab and his associates when they were sent out by David to number the people. Their route was eastward across the Jordan, northward through the trans-Jordanic tribes, westward to Sidon, passing Dan-jaan on the way, and southward as far as Beersheba. It is natural, then, to identify Dan, on the northern boundary of Israel, with Dan-jaan, although Conder, after Schultz, seeks to identify it with Danian near Achzib. For "Jaan" various emendations have been proposed. Gesenius changes into ("Dan of the wood"). Wellhausen and, following him, Budde, Kittel, and Driver read ("and from Dan they went round"). Klostermann and Grätz change into (Ijon), a city mentioned in connection with Dan in I Kings xv. 20.” (jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4868-dan-jaan) Continued below.
@@Biblicaldetail Sitting here smiling. You are just like the rest of the anomianistic people. You speak from opinion only. Speak to Scripture, rather than just spouting your opinion. Give us your references to Scripture that support your poor attitude. I'll wait. The fun thing is that everyone else can see your responses that should support your view. The even funnier thing is that no valid scriptural response will be forthcoming. That's ok. I'm used to it. So are the other Torah observant people. They are used to other people's misapplication of Scripture and they "thought experiments" that they use to avoid the truth. Have fun. 😀😀😀
@@BiblicaldetailPerhaps you will be able to read and digest what you read sometime in the future. Everything I spoke of is truthful. It is not my fault you cannot see this. It is not even my problem. If opinion is based on the proper use of Scripture, then I am guilty as charged. Also, your cowardly thought of agreeing to disagree is very weak. You won't be able to answer questions posited such as, "If "Jesus" fulfilled all of the "Law," then what about Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Sukkot?" You won't be able to answer. If you try to, then I will guarantee that your response will be weak and ineffectual. Go ahead and try it. I'd like for the public to see your response. These three mo'edim are still on the slate to be accomplished. Therefore Yehoshua has not fulfilled all of which He was sent to fulfill. Also, He could NOT have fulfilled all of the Torah, as some aspects of it applied to women as well as other things. He did not come to abolish Torah, as you are well aware. He came to fulfill. Look at Lk. 24:44. What was not shown in typical thought is still applicable and will ALL be reinstated at the third temple. As regarding the Torah, please, educate me on what Romans 2:13 says. When you're done with that, skip over to the next chapter and tell me what Romans 3:31 speaks of. Come on back out and let the world see your intelligence on full display. Bounce back to Romans 7:14. I'll be waiting for your responses.
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
What I hear from torahists is that the corruption of scripture was the inclusion of Paul in the NT. So they reject or minimize those books. How would you address that?
Paul's wrote true scriptural teachings and if you do a thorough study you will conclude that christianity have been wrongly taught. I blame this on Roman religious leaders and the Greek who translated words and verses to make it appear like it means something else; ultimately distorting the scriptures to suit what they wanted to teach and make one to believe and teach. Theologians have adapted to their teachings and Robert Solberg is one of them. Here is an ex: i am not denying the deity of Yeshua but show me where in the scripture did God address Yeshua as God. Ask Robert Solberg that question, and in his response to you I will allow the scriptures to refute him showing that he has no understanding of scriptural truth.
Paul is definitely a stumbling block for Torahists as he continually & eloquently & even deliberately in Romans & Galatians (& Hebrews if you believe Paul wrote it), describes living a Christian life sans Torah observance. In their eagerness to explain away difficulties by saying everything was mistranslated &/or misinterpreted, I have not seen Torahists address Paul's specific cursing of Torahists in Galatians 1 : 8 & 9 and his verbal castration of same in Galatians 5 : 12. When you sit down & read Galatians cover to cover (instead of cherry picking favorite verses & twisting), you see a blazing red hot indictment of Torahism. Paul was not playing around. He hated this false gospel as it neutralized his Lord Jesus' sacrificial work on the cross & brought all faith in Him to naught.
Hi Austin! I typically respond by paraphrasing Augustine: If you believe what you like in the Bible, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Bible you believe, but yourself. Personally, I find the argument that Paul should be minimized (or removed) insufferably arrogant. To make such a statement, one needs to place themselves in a position of authority over Scripture. As the saying goes, fools rush in where angels fear to tread! Shalom, Rob
Intelligence is definitely something people look at; however, revelation from God and seeing the power of God when spreading the gospel is key. The torah movement does not have the power of God in their message. The people the torahist proselytize are Christians rather than those who don't know Jesus. I know this from first hand experience dealing with them
Interesting too that Jews don't proselytize & in fact, not outright, but subtly discourage conversion to Judaism, because they know it's a tough row to hoe & only want sincere converts. (Most conversions are due to marriage - i.e. one spouse who is highly motivated to please the other & make sure their children get a consistent spiritual message & culture.) Torahists on the other hand do everything they can to beg, borrow & browbeat (Christian) converts to their form of Judaism. I've seen one dude who with one hand dangles the "blessings" of Sabbath keeping (as if that's all there is to Torah observance) complete with rapturous descriptions of how wonderful & filled with ease & comfort his life has become (when Jesus said we would have trials, trouble & persecution), while at the same time threatening hellfire for not immediately complying with his way of thinking. It's all performance based & the lack of love & compassion for their fellow man is glaringly obvious.
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
I think a major aspect of biblical content that gets overlooked by Torahism is that there is more than one covenant in the Torah, and in the Tenakh. The Torah includes the covenant to Abraham, which speaks of many nations, whereas the covenant at Sinai is with one nation. The Apostle Paul makes a big deal out of the Abrahamic covenant, and how the faith of Abraham preceded circumcision, and how the law of Sinai would not supplant the covenant with Abraham (Gal 3.17). Then we also see the New Covenant spoken of in the Torah in Deuteronomy 30.6. Deut. 18.14-19 speaks of one who would come after Moses, and would be a new revelation unlike the scary voice they heard at Sinai. This new prophet and something to replace Sinai's voice implies that there would also be a new covenant when the Prophet who bears the Name would appear to them and speak to them, and that him they must heed. We also read that in their understanding a covenant ceases with the death of the testator, and we read that Jesus died, and that before he died he instituted a new covenant in his blood. These are all pieces of biblical content that are positive evidence that the law given at Sinai was not meant for all time, nor for all people. There is at least one extra-Sinai covenant in the Tenakh after the end of the Torah, which is the covenant with David. The prophets speak of a new covenant, but they seem to be elaborating on what had already been revealed through Moses in Deut. 30.6. The new covenant is a way of separating God's people from the others, and conforming the character of God's people to the character of the Father, which both seem to be the major thrusts of the Sinai covenant, that is, "This is who your God is, and what He values, therefore this is who you will be, and what you will value." The goal of separating apart a people to be like YHWH is accomplished differently in the New Covenant (Eph. 5.1) , and much more effectively, but it was the same goal that was seen in a shadowy way in the covenant at Sinai. Sinai was a different context, but the same God. The New Covenant is a universal context, and the same God. I find a significant difference between the wording "You will not kill" from the common wording we see "Do not kill." The future tense is not a prediction so much as an expectation, a family obligation towards their god and father, who they will be in light of who their God is. The command with the wording "Do not kill" frames it in a non-relational way, that sounds more authoritarian, demanding, and burdensome. The future tense inspires a sense of belonging and comfort, knowing that the God is the patron who will look after them in unity and loyal faithful compassion. The command form inspires a sense of dread and fear, with the threat of guilt and punishment, and somebody bigger than you who will make you do what they want, or else. The future tense speaks of a selfless God, whereas the command form makes God seem selfish. The future tense speaks in a shame culture mentality, where to not behave that way brings shame, whereas the command form brings guilt for not obeying. The Sinai covenant beyond the ten commandments does not always have the future tense, if I remember correctly, and the ten commandments are not all phrased in the future tense (remember the sabbath, honor your parents). In the NIV, Exodus 20.3-4 are "You shall not" but verse 23 has two "do not's". There is a difference. The main covenant seems to be the Decalogue with God stating who he is. (He is not the God who brought the Gentiles out of Egypt, but he is the God who brought Israel out of Egypt.) Then the many other commands seem to be precepts derived from the Decalogue that Moses or later editors worked out in their legal system for how their nation should function in light of their being God's people in that context.
Yes I find the same total non-acknowledgement of the Abrahamic covenant amongst TO. Mention it & they grow completely silent as if you suddenly spoke in a language they do not understand.
I might only add that not only does a testator have to die in order to end (or complete) his covenant (or will), he also needs to die before his inheritors can inherit. TO seem bound & determined to return all of humanity to a doomed pre-cross state, where no one can inherit anything, because the Testator (Christ) didn't die, His covenant (will) didn't cease (complete) & therefore animals must still be continually sacrificed in a non-existent Temple for the temporary atonement of sins ad infinitum (which is as ridiculous as it is impossible).
Good and balanced lesson! Many years ago I attended a Messianic Jewish fellowship for a season. I was crushed spiritually and humbly crawled out from under the law. I began to understand Galatians after that season. Galatians 2:21 (CSB) I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Ezekiel 44:9 King James Version 9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
@@zouksesanet "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God." ~ Romans 2 : 28ff
Another theory as to why people are just recently believing this way is that God (who they often refer to as “Yah”) is opening people’s eyes and drawing them back to the Torah as they are among the “scattered lost tribes of Israel”. I heard this all the time in my 6 yrs in the movement.
@@freedominchrist444 some of that smacks of the charismatic and NAR movement. I experienced all of that, too. Whewwww…I’m out! Keep up the good fight, Melissa ❤️
Hi Bekah! My Master's Thesis was not officially published, however I did re-write it in popular language and release it as a book called _Divergence: Examining Jewish-Christian Relations in the Early Church,_ which you can find here: www.amazon.com/dp/1733672133 Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRootsAwesome! I look forward to reading that! 😁 Thank you for your response too. It’s such a relief to have found your channel… Unfortunately, this subject has become a sore one with some people that I love dearly, and I was feeling quite distraught and blindsided by it all. I have done a lot of praying and crying and exegeting the scriptures, digging in to examine them to try and understand the Torahist views yet defend the Biblical roots (as you put it) views… I was just overwhelmed with all of the nuance and unverifiable claims that left me more confused than anything… I have found others who address some of the questions and concerns, but not in the same way you have which is very thorough and comprehensive. Thank you for providing this resource and giving such a gentle, loving, unifying message that sheds light on the issues to be debated while remaining faithful to the Word of God and Gospel of Jesus Christ ❤🙏 God bless you!
@@bekah9353 Thank you, Bekah! I can't tell you how much that means to me. I share in your frustration and fervent prayers! The whole point of our ministry is to provide resources for those struggling with this kind of thing. BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, you mind this video of ours helpful: *Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends* th-cam.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/w-d-xo.html Additionally, my book _Torahism: Are Christians Required to Keep the Law of Moses?_ might also be a helpful resource: www.amazon.com/dp/173367215X/ Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Amen! You're welcome. Thank you for your compassionate understanding, truly. Your ministry is certainly appointed for such a time as this... I keep leaning into the message of Ephesians and Jesus' prayer from John 17 that we may be one as He and the Father are one. This is all a big part of that prayer being answered, I believe. And thanks for the extra recommendations! I just ordered both of your books :) I look forward to learning and growing through deeper study. Thanks again & God bless!
I love these various thought experiment posts and videos. In talking to my Messianic rabbi friend, I had an insight myself of the double mindedness of things if Hebrew roots were true. You would have the apostles working on two simultaneous projects, namely establishing their own Messianic congregation, while at the same time trying to reform the old Jews. And that presents a problem that there is only suppose to be one Body of Christ, not parallel congregations and bodies. Christianity is supposed to be new wine skin, covenant etc. not a greased up wine skin.
This was a great test of their theory. Thank you. I have a friend in that movement, I sent him a video of yours, since he wouldn’t hear me. I pray this veil will be removed from his eyes.
Thanks again for your great passion on this topic and for continuing to create great videos like this. It's weird that I have not met any Torah keeping Christ followers (I was told not to call them Christians because many don't like that term) until a couple years ago I stumbled upon a facebook group consisting mainly of Torah keeping believers and then an additional facebook page of a woman who is very outspoken about her Torah keeping faith. After some really engaging conversations with a sweet Torah keeper, I dug deeper and found your TH-cam channel. I am so glad this channel exists, because the things the Torah keeping believers say sound so believable and it would really be easy to walk down that path if a person didn't know their Bible very well. In fact, I was starting to question a few things myself about my own faith. What those conversations did spark inside me though, is a desire to get to know the roots of my own faith and to start looking into the background of the reformation and some of the early Protestant Christians.
There are some great historian teachers on that but just as many that are tainted on both sides. The RCC claims are the most tainted as they must be to defend what they created. The deeper you go into the RCC the eviler it gets. I neededvto go down that rabbit hole in order to understand it. It was dirty but I got it all off me. Then this Hebrew roots cult, how do people get to that point when they all claim to read & study the Word. A lot of them get into other books and it is no doubt they get duped. All we need is the bible (kjv if your English speaking) to know GOD
I have no idea why people consider God's perfect law a burden. I love it, His law is a beautiful thing! Jesus followed it, why wouldn't I want to? I don't follow it for salvation, just as Jesus did not follow it for salvation. I follow because I am privileged to know it and get to follow it. Keep trying, my friend. You have done so many videos on this topic. It makes me want to follow the Torah even more, since I see how you completely mis construe things.
Thanks, Isac! I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ. Blessings, Rob
Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus. Paul said, “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law” Peter said the yoke of Moses was a burden that Jewish people were not able to keep. Compare that with Matt 11:28-30
All Torah Keepers are damned. God tells us so thru Moses, Paul and James. You can't keep the law of Moses. You certainly can't keep the Feasts as God commanded, so you worship God in a manmade way. How did that work out for Aaron's Sons? Torah Keepers will be judged by the law they claim to keep
Acts 15 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.” The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus just as they will.
Keep reading in that same chapter Acts 15:19-22 NASB1995 [19] Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, [20] but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. [21] For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” [22] Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas-Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren, Go learn from Moses.. the rich man and lazerath if they don't listen to Moses they wouldn't belive even if someone was raised from the dead..
@@benjensen8700 Please read where God explains why He repented from allowing the Levitical priesthood to continue perpetually: 1 Samuel 2:30-36 Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that your house and the house of your father should go in and out before me forever,’ but now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me, for those who honor me I will honor, and those who despise me shall be lightly esteemed. Behold, the days are coming when I will cut off your strength and the strength of your father's house, so that there will not be an old man in your house. Then in distress you will look with envious eye on all the prosperity that shall be bestowed on Israel, and there shall not be an old man in your house forever. The only one of you whom I shall not cut off from my altar shall be spared to weep his eyes out to grieve his heart, and all the descendants of your house shall die by the sword of men. And this that shall come upon your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, shall be the sign to you: both of them shall die on the same day. And I will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in my heart and in my mind. And I will build him a sure house, and he shall go in and out before my anointed forever. And everyone who is left in your house shall come to implore him for a piece of silver or a loaf of bread and shall say, “Please put me in one of the priests' places, that I may eat a morsel of bread."
It is amazing how complicsted the world of men and things are. One book and interpretation ad infinitum. Humans can debate anything and everything. Nothing comes easy does it. With man unity of thought and practice is impossible but with God in Christ truth, saving truth is possible. You shall know the truth etc. Praise God for his word. John 17:17.
Not that the law is “required”. The law is gods instructions for right living in his kingdom and lets us know what sin is in his eyes. So we try to follow the law to show god we love him. When we fail , we have grace through christs sacrifice.
This is excellent. I'd love to see a video dedicated to the history of Armstrong and the Wold Wide Church of God and how it has influenced the Hebrew roots movement.
I can give you a really good article that addresses the history of Hebrew roots and its Genesis from the Millerites. You can find the position paper online from the International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues (IAMCS) Steering Committee dated 1/15/2014 entitled "One Law, Two Sticks: A Critical Look at the Hebrew Roots Movement"
@@joshuamelton9148 I am already aware of this paper. I've done some research into this subject myself. I just wanted to see Solberg make a video on it because I think it will be very helpful for people.
My biggest problem with this Torahism thing is that Jesus is treated more like an afterthought. Jesus is not front and center of the Hebrew movement. Seems the people of this movement begin with Jesus up front and progressively leave Him behind. Makes my heart constrict and my stomach tie up in knots just thinking about it. Thank you for all of your work and teachings on this subject.
Great video, Mr. Solberg! Right, if Hebrew Roots theology (or rather bunch of theologies) is true, then it means the gates of hell managed to prevail over the Church, which clearly contradicts Jesus's words in Mat 16:18. Yes, theologies in Eastern Orthodoxy, Catholicism and conservative Protestantism may differ on some substantial questions, but nonetheless they all have common core beliefs and can share the basic creeds, which HRM theologies openly oppose.
I would like to add, as a possible reason why the Hebrew Roots is still among us. It started after Jesus resurrection, the soldiers who guarded the tomb were paid to say "His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept." Matthew 28:13-15. The connection requires a little bit of meditation. One other thing I would like to address, that is that Jewish believers do still observe Torah according to the Jerusalem council of Elders. And according to the same council, Gentile believers need not observe any such thing, only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Acts 15. And Acts 21. Besides that "we are not under law but under grace." Romans 6:14-18
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
Also DA Carson agrees with you about what "the Law and the Prophets" means: "Jesus’ mission was not to “abolish” (a term more frequently connected with the destruction of buildings [24:2; 26:61; 27:40], but not exclusively so [e.g., 2 Macc 2:22]) “the Law or the Prophets.” By these words Matthew forms a new inclusio (5:17-7:12), which marks out the body of the sermon and shows that Jesus is taking pains to relate his teaching and place in the history of redemption to the OT Scriptures. For that is what “the Law or the Prophets” here means-the Scriptures. The disjunctive “or” makes it clear that neither is to be abolished. The Jews of Jesus’ day could refer to the Scriptures as “the Law and the Prophets” (7:12; 11:13; 22:40; Lk 16:16; Jn 1:45; Ac 13:15; 28:23; Ro 3:21); “the Law ..., the Prophets and the Psalms” (Lk 24:44); or just “the Law” (v.18; Jn 10:34; 12:34; 15:25; 1Co 14:21); the divisions were not yet stereotyped. Thus even if “or the Prophets” is redactional (Dalman, Jesus-Jeshua, 62, and many after him), the referent does not change when only law is mentioned in v.18, but it may be a small hint that law also has a prophetic function..." - DA Carson, Matthew: The Expositors Bible Commentary, 2017
I find it interesting that the desire to understand the Scriptures better can turn into LARPING then legalism. Never losing focus of the savior seems to be the key.
@TheBiblicalRoots hey Rob. Could you take a look over apocrypha and the cepher. Bible. Many hebrew roots promote them. And I'd Like a bit more history of them. Not many handle them. I.e. I have a 19 12 variation on enoch that switched from the old translation Where that dude Charles made a change
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
Isaiah 45:19…I the Lord , speak righteousness, declaring things that are upright. It is the Torah that God spoke. What all your brilliant theologians speak or declare don’t matter squat to me..Would should matter to everyone is what came out of God’s mouth. Got Torah Got Truth
What some do, is they just toss out Paul, many of them. I've been involved in many Torah groups but NEVER felt led to toss out Paul. Spiritually I always knew, praises to the Most High, that was very VERY dangerous ground. I'm studying Acts, Galatians and Romans so much more now and am seeing the error of observing the Mosaic Law. Actually Luke 22:20 TOTALLY jumps off the pages of scripture now. Still relearning what I relearnt... I'm now trying to figure out how to make changes since ive been, for example doing Sabbath on Saturdays and not working on that day, doing the feast days, wearing tzit tzit...not that i did those things "to be saved" but was doing them BECAUSE i was saved and believed i should be doing them. I also see the errors in so many Sunday churches, with the hyper greasy grace, that it's difficult to know what i should be doing...I know i am trusting in Messiah only for salvation, but now i feel slightly lost as to what to do. All of my associations, especially online, are ALL Torah based. My husband has come to the same conclusion, thankfully before me and we're studying together, but it is not easy. I'm wondering if i was brainwashed...has this happened to anyone else? I'm wondering if there's any support groups? I won't bash Torah because its a "tutor" but also want to do what's right in the eyes of the Almighty.
One Stitch In The Veil has a channel where she supports people coming out of Torahism as she did. She's a busy mom, so the channel is not super active, but she & her husband are very willing to correspond via 📧
Matthew 5:19 Authorized (King James) Version 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Our family is going through this same thing. I love torah, and I can't see myself ever fitting into a mainstream Christian church as we've been TO for many many years. I'd LOVE a support group.
Hi Rob, I saw that you had a discussion with Sean Griffin from Kingdom in Context a few months ago and I was wondering if you consider him to be a brother in Christ in light of his unorthodox Bible interpretations and false teachings about the deity of Jesus Christ. To be honest, I view him as sort of a cult leader. Anyway, I recently found your channel and I'm enjoying the content. God bless
That's a great question. During our discussion on Sean's channel I was quite surprised at the extent of his beliefs. To be fair, I have barely seen any of his content, so I don't have a enough of a picture of his full theology to arrive at what I would consider a well-informed opinion. But I've seen enough to know that he has wandered pretty far off the path. He is definitely teaching unbiblical things and it is concerning. For me, a brother or sister in Christ is someone who has come to a genuine faith in Jesus as their Lord and believes that God raised Him from the dead. Brothers and sisters don't have to agree on every bit of theology, but we need to agree on the Gospel of Jesus. And the heterodox nature of Sean's teaching is so concerning to me that I am not sure that he is a brother in Christ. Shalom, Rob
Jesus said FOLLOW ME. You can't FOLLOW a perfectly OBEDIENT Savior by being DISOBEDIENT. ....... "To the LAW and to the TESTIMONY, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no LIGHT in them." .... The enemy disguises himself as an ANGEL OF LIGHT, lying and deceiving people to DISOBEY GOD and His Laws. Just like he did in the garden. He is called the LAWLESS ONE and his children are called SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE!
The fact that Sean teaches that Jesus did not die as a sacrifice for our sins on the cross and instead is teaching that he is doing animal sacrifices in heaven for our sins shows that Sean has rejected the biblical gospel and the biblical Jesus. He is teaching another Jesus and another gospel. He is a wolf destroying peoples faith in Jesus and the gospel. He is to be mark and avoided. We are to warn the sheep of this wolf. He is a heretic and a cult leader.
For had ye believed Mosheh, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? YOCHANON (JOHN) 5:46-47 את
Hi Rob After following your channel for a Month now Im confuse of the purpose of your channel about defending biblical roots of Christianity. Not sure where you stand in regards biblical roots since Jesus Roots were Jewish and born of a Jewish Woman under the Jewish Law and that He obey perfectly. Jesus taught His Jewish followers how to Keep the Law as Jewish and How to Keep the Law for those outside the law. When you talk about the Law which you think is not required any more You are giving the impression of Anti-biblical Roots or Anti-Law even Anti-Semitic which i dint think you are. To be fair and biblical can you add this Theory In Genesis about the fight between Kingdom of Heaven and The Kingdom of this world? The word of God says "Two nations are in your womb, Two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people shall be stronger than the other, And the older shall serve the younger."" Genesis 25:23 NKJV In Exodus with Moses and Joshua defeating the Amalekites. Then the Lord said to Moses, "Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." And Moses built an altar and called its name, The-Lord-Is-My-Banner; for he said, "Because the Lord has sworn: the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation."" Exodus 17:14-16 NKJV Now Esther and Mordecai fighting the spirit of Amalek in Haman and ending in victory for the Jews giving birth to the Feast of Purim to the Jews were all the Jews that were at Shushan (QAHAL in Hebrew -Which means congregation, assembly) assembled together to made a day of feasting and gladness also from resting from their enemies. So they called these days Purim, after the name Pur. Therefore, because of all the words of this letter, what they had seen concerning this matter, and what had happened to them, the Jews established and imposed it upon themselves and their descendants and all who would join them, that without fail they should celebrate these two days every year, according to the written instructions and according to the prescribed time, that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city, that these days of Purim should not fail to be observed among the Jews, and that the memory of them should not perish among their descendants." Esther 9:26-28 NKJV We cannot put aside that there is spirits like the Amalek spirit trying to remove the Jewishness of Jesus. This is where Main stream Christianity looks like today when there is no (Yirah) fear of the Lord. th-cam.com/video/PFYuiXDcefs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ningbu3zyLiIJUaD
Hello, Jose! The biblical roots of our faith are absolutely grounded in Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jesus is the promised Jewish Messiah, born under the law (Gal 4:4), and He said, "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). Here are four things I believe the NT teaches about the law that I have shared previously: (1.) *The Torah has not been done away with.* It is a part of holy Scripture. Every Christian Bible begins with the Torah, and it is, therefore, “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” (1 Tim 3:16-17). (2.) *The Law of Moses plays an important role in the life of a Christian.* It witnesses against our sin (Rom. 7:7), points us to Jesus (Gal. 3:23-25), teaches us about God and the history of His people, offers wisdom and insight, deepens our understanding of the person and work of Christ, and challenges us to love God (Deut. 6:4-5) and love our neighbor (Lev. 19:18). (3.) *The Law of Moses is not binding on followers of Jesus as a body of legal requirements of obedience.* This is the consistent witness of the biblical authors across the NT (Acts 15:1-29; Rom. 7:6, 14:1-23; Gal. 3:24-25; Col. 2:16-17, etc.). (4.) *This does not mean that Christians are without a law and can do whatever we want!* No! Jesus and NT authors give us many commands. Christians are absolutely called to live lives of love, service, purity, obedience, and moral virtue (Gal 5:13). Blessings, Rob
Q : Professor may I add one more theory that I have been given? Can you speak on it please!! 321 AD Constitine made Christianity the state religion, and then combined paganism into it. That was the great falling away. The protestants came a long way, but not far enough. Y’Hushuwah sacrifice only is my salvation provided by the father. Obedience to his instructions is only the way we show him we love him. He said if you a love me, obey my commandments. The Torah will be written on our hearts when he returns.
This is not historically true. Constantine made Christianity legal to practice in 313. It wasn't made the state religion until 380, by another emperor.
What if… Even in the Old Testament writings Israel themselves did. It consistently keep the law. What if God needed to send prophet after prophet to correct all the errors that people “under the old covenant” walked in? What if… israel was exiled va use of their disobedience to the law. What if… Israel thought that it was ok to disregard at least some of the laws of God? What if.. judah was exiled because of their disobedience to the law? What if… when judah returned it was only in pretense and she was more treacherous than her sister Israel? What if… the law was lost to the body of Israelites only to be found by Josiah? What if… Josiah was the only they only man in scripture described as “loving God with all his heart and with all he is soul because he established the words of the law by doing them (1 kings 23). What if… in the Septuagint the word establish in that passage is the exact word used in Roman’s 3:31 translated as uphold the law, “Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means. But rather we uphold the law”. What if???
I have heard the Anti Jewish theory for the last few decades. Fortunately, I got a background in early Christianity and Eastern Christianity, and I just cite all the examples of folks that live outside the Roman Empire that are African, Syriac, Armenian, and Indian Christian that believe the same way, have the same practices, some of which descend directly from the Jews and are very Jewish sometimes in their language and customs.
@@anonymom_ There is some deference to the old sabbath in traditional Christianity. This is where we get the weekend from that is the old Sabbath together with the Lord's day. You will not however find anything like Seventh Day Adventism in the ancient Church. Ignatius of Antioch is quite explicit when it comes to Christians not being under the Jewish law, including the Sabbath. As an Eastern Christian I got some deference to the Sabbath, but believe the 8th day, the day of the Resurrection, and the giving of Holy Spirit to the Church at Pentecost is superior to it and this is the proper day to have a main Eucharistic church service.
Christ is the Word of God… How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only ) Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do. Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God- Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.” 1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation- 1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. 1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,” 1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed. Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes. Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah. Shalom
I find it would be helpful to add a lot more from the apostolic church father's on the topic, being students of the actual apostles like Ignatius of antioch letter to the Magnesians etc... Nobody told me about these writings and had they told me and showed me, my walk would be corrected a lot sooner
I don't want to spoil all your fun digging into Scripture and learning for yourself, Maker! But here's one: You no longer need to make sacrifices for your sin because "there is no longer any offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).
We only keep the laws (I prefer "guidelines") that are reiterated in the New Testament. Effectively, we put aside *all* of the Old Testament, including the Decalogue. The mistake people make is to think that the reiteration of some of the laws means a continuation of the Old. The new testament laws (guidelines) are stated in the New Testament: they are that we believe in Jesus, express self-sacrificial love one for the other, get baptised, lay off sin (sexual misbehaviour, greed, witchcraft, idolatry, gluttony, dishonesty), pray to and worship God with uplifted hands and thanksgiving, seek spiritual gifts, and fellowship with other believers, including the sharing of a meal of bread and wine, and profess our faith and baptise others in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Regarding food, don't eat meat with the blood of the animal in it. That's about it. It's harder than it seems since it involves actually living and hearing from God in a daily basis. I hope this helps. God bless you!
The much harder thing to do would be for you to list the laws of the Old Covenant that we must follow I've asked numerous TO people and they all disagree...the only things that seem universal are keeping Sabbath (and they all differ on what that entails) and keeping Kosher.
The Hebrew roots advocates are more divided than people realize. They can't eventually agree what you can and can't do on the Sabbath.@@TheDjcarter1966
My finger hurts from muting and unmuting every time you used a chalk board, I thought I finally was set free from that torture when Sproul stopped! :) :) I jest; good video, very informative, I enjoyed it! thank you
The main thing you say here is should i be obedient to God and Yeshua who is Gods word made fresh or should i listen to you and all these people you listed over whst he says... Matthew 23:1-3 NASB1995 [1] Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, [2] saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; [3] therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. Yeshua said go every sabbath listen to Moses and do what he says!!!.. The rich man and the poor man.. Luke 16:30-31 NASB1995 [30] But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ [31] But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’ ” Out of love i humbly try to obey prsyijg with ny head down look at me YWHW the sinner that i am.. where you here are sayijg and allways say look at me im so much better than the other side. Im glad im not like them... love your neighbour as yourself.. how about instead of bickering like you do you walk out the love that was taught..
Respectfully, Ben, that is not the main point of this video. As far as who to obey, I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I get thats not the main point of this video (that is to say look all these people that want to keep Gods commandments beause they love him are wrong and this Is why) Matthew 22:37-40 NASB1995 [37] And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [38] This is the great and foremost commandment. [39] The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [40] On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” Here Yeshua is saying quoting from torah Deuteronomy 6:4-9 NASB1995 [4] “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! [5] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. [6] These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. [7] You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. [8] You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. [9] You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates. Leviticus 19:18-19 NASB1995 [18] You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord. [19] ‘You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together. (And alot of other places) Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB1995 [31] “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. [33] “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [34] They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.” Hebrews 10:15-18 NASB1995 [15] And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying, [16] “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says, [17] “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” [18] Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin. Instead of being on tablets Yah is turning our heart from stone and putting His Law in our minds.. his Torah.. not half of it not this one or that one the whole thing Do we Love God with all.our heart and all our mind if the answer is Yes which it is then why is it wrong to keep his commandments? Do i do it to be saved ?No. Do i do it to say oh look at me im so much better than every one else? no I don't. I do it because I love YWHW and I want to show him that love (No i am not perfect but I'm trying my hardest) So if LOVE is what the Torah teaches as Yeshua quoted taught love. (Him being YWHW 's word so the Torah made flesh as it says in John 1.) Then why not love him.. go thru the entire 600 odd commands (not the way the Jews have twisted them the way they are intended that Yeshua brought them back to) they teach you how to love God or love your neighbour. If your enemy ox falls into a ditch you shall save it and look after it untill he returns. Exodous 23:4-5 this is love.. The ten commandments. 1. You will have no other Gods before me... Which is a Love God commandment 2. You shall not make idols.. love God commandment 3.don't take Gods name in vain. Love YWHW commandment 4 keep the sabbath day. Love God and love your neighbour commandment. 5. honor your mother and father.. love your neighbour commandment 6. Do not murder. love your neighbour commandment 7. Don't murder. love your neighbour commandment 8. Don't steal. love your neighbour commandment 9. Don't lie. love your neighbour commandment 10. Don't covert.. love your neighbour commandment Are they binding thats up to you. Can we keep some of them? Possibly not some of them are out of my control to keep. as you said some pertain to women some to men some to priest. Are they hard? Well not really not as hard as i was taught in a modern church.. will they save us? Nope no chance? Do they show where our heart is? 110%. you me joe from down the street will be judged by every word and action. . Should we sit around making videos saying with lots of words and people, trying to prove that I'm right and they are wrong than the the other side. No we shouldn't. goes for both sides.. yes there are some things that should be corrected. And yes we should stand on YWHWs truth and walk in his light but who is more important? The person that belives or the unbeliever. How about we sprinkle seeds instead and let YWH grow this seeds the way he sees fit. I am unworthy imperfect person and so are you. Why do you want to cause so much more division ? You could spend your video making time in showing love to your enemy. Love to the other side... every video I watch of you is attack the other side attack the other side!! Humbly I ask you to step back and pray about this please .. Love God with all you heart and you neighbour as your self on these hang the Torah and the prophets.. Just like you hang your clothes on a coat hanger if you dont have these then you walk around with only a coat hanger and either naked or wearing spiritual clothes that are not Gods Love and shalom Ben please pray and think about this
Do we miss that its God's Law and given through Moses? Was the law given to Israel only? Why then the Flood and destruction Soddom and Gatorade, why was Caine's offer rejected why did he sacrifice? The ark we have it as the animals two by two but some were 7 there was a law pre Sanai. The Sabbath is God's Holy day not a holiday but a Holy day.
Holy means set apart, the day isnt holy in the same sense as God is HOLY, Saturday or any day of the week is not HOLY as God is HOLY. One problem we do have today is gentile judaizers and its kinda ironic, but hey we're in the last days. The moral law is eternal, but only because sin is present do we need it. Once sin is done away with and it will be done away with also so will the LAW. Because where there is no sin there is no law
"Now, ISRAEL, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the LAND the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." ~ Deuteronomy 4 : 1
The Law has and always will be for ANYONE who covenants with the God of Abraham as evidenced by: Exodus- 12:19; 12:49; 20:10 Leviticus - 16:29; 24:22 Numbers- 9:14; 15:14-16; 15:26; 15:29; 19:10; 35:15 Deuteronomy- 1:16; 5:14; 24:14 Joshua 8:33; 8:35; 20:9 Isaiah 56; 65:17-25 Ruth Matthew-12:8; 12:12 Mark- 2:28; 3:4 Luke-4:16; 4:31; 6:5 Acts- 13:44; 15:21; 16:13 17:2; 18:4 Collosians 2:16 1 John 2:3-6; 3:4 Revelation 21-22
Cain and Abel knew to bring offering/sacrifice to YHVH Genesis 4:3-5 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals. Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. And Abraham was accounted righteous because of his obedience. Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS. hmmmm…all this before Jacob was even born.
I guess with the last theory I end up speaking about the history of the Judaizer movement in classical times talking about the Judaizers and Ebionites and compare them to what is going down today. One scriptural truth these Torahists forget is the Biblical principle of things being "In the mouth of two or three witnesses" and the Orthodox position is established aplenty by early witnesses ones that were mentored by the Apostles etc. Meanwhile, people teaching against this need to try to claim their own authority, and this violates other Biblical principles, the sheep are suppose to know the shepherd while these people are unknown, self-promoting etc. But on the positive side of things I do show the "Jewish roots" of Christianity in the Eucharist service, and show how that reflects both the temple and synagogue worship, as well as Passover etc.
Unfortunately a lot of HR people miss grace. All sin is covered by the blood. Never underestimate the power of the death and resurrection. Unfortunately mainstream Christian’s miss the instructions and the beauty of the law. A lot of your points have a lot of holes in it my brother. Polycarp said that he does everything John does including observing sabbath and specifically Passover.(just to name one early church fathers) The Bible is full of references that point to the law still being truth and binding. Including Pauls letters. The curse of the law is condemnation and death. This is clearly done away with by the death and resurrection of Jesus. The law is instruction for how one is to live as a priests and kings. Not to toot your horn and think of yourselves as better than another. Obedience is worship. Here’s a theory, if I’m right and the law is still binding. Everyone is under grace and the blood covers your sin. If I’m wrong I’m still covered by the blood as long as you don’t see your works as salvation. This point is made very clearly by paul. And everything I do is filthy compared to the glory of God one way or another. How about we all just get along…… one thing before I shut up, read the Bible with fresh eyes and fresh heart every time you pick it up. Test everything, and be slow to judge the man next to you. We are all on the path of sanctification and let’s not put stumbling blocks in front of each other. Can I get a hallelujah please?!
The curse of the law is found in Deut. It states anyone who does not keep all of torah is under a curse. If one puts oneself back under law then one must keep all of it perfectly.
This is the video: th-cam.com/video/Z7xnfW4yXP4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iKiFfWz-oVF6T3kv Rob Vanhoff, the co-host on the right, is a good friend of mine, a Hebrew scholar and a regular at ETS Conferences.
Also RT France agrees with you about what "the Law and Prophets" means: "For “the law and the prophets” (the “or” here results from the negative form of the sentence) as a way of referring to what we now call the OT" - RT France, the Gospel of Matthew
Malachi 4. Could you give your interpretation because that 1 chapter tells us different. Yah wants obedience , satan wants disobedience. Rev 12:17. pick a side this guy obv picked the wrong one too as he's teaching against the word of God.
Hi, Bouncer! I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ. Blessings, Rob
@ShiaDiscourse “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a *new covenant* with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It *will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors* when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because *they broke my covenant,* though I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. (Jer. 31:31-32)
@ShiaDiscourse "And the Lord said to Moses: 'You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’ And I will certainly hide my face in that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods." ~ Deuteronomy 31 : 16ff
@ShiaDiscourse- We're evidently reading different Bible's. The Old Covenant had blessings and curses. We all like the idea of blessings, but we ignore the courses promised for breaking the binding Ketubah. Those curses were just as promised as the blessings. To save Israel from the utter destruction promised for disobedience, a New Covenant had to be made and one of the testators of the Old Covenant had to die free Israel (the wife) from the Old Covenant and the curses promised for violating it. God the testator died as Yeshua and a New Covenant was established through which Israel could be saved. All who chose to be redeemed could enter freely into the New Covenant but those who refused suffered the penalty promised under the Old.
As far as the Conspiracy theory goes I have mentioned something I learned in psychology that people tend to reinterpret the past in light of the present. And on this topic, Torahist and Hebrew roots tend to interpret Church history with the jaundiced eye of what happened with the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition etc. which is much different that what happened in ancient times. Not only that we actually see the opposite namely ani-gentilism in Judaism, especially in the work of the Talmud, but you can see a little prejudice in the New Testament where folks were afraid to eat with gentiles because of the kosher customs. I really believe there is a kind of tit for tat animosity that developed Between Christianity and Judiasm that came over persecution and rivalry. Christianity of course came out on top which is why things are framed as they are, but in the early centuries this would be a bit like a Jacob and Esau sibling rivalry.
I don't know what bible you are reading, but i would highly suggest you stop teaching this unbiblical lie! We are supposed to be imitators of Christ. We are told to FOLLOW Him, and to OBEY Him! READ John 14:15 John 14:21 He said this 5, yes FIVE TIMES, also read Mathew 5:18 HINT: heaven and earth are still here... But from your teaching i can see you are in another world and probably do not realize heaven and earth still exist! I pray that God will remove the deception from your heart, because there is heavy judgement for teachers of scripture who lead others astray.
The last verse in the passage I quote here supports your statements: "My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, a righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world. And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands.a Footnote: aSee 1Jn_3:6. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfectedb in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked." I'll repeat it: "The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked."
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me. Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
So the claim is the New Covenant was only taught but not actually demonstrated prior the testator's death? Heb 9:16-17 makes clear a testament goes into effect at the testator's death. Paul confirms that once the testator dies there can not be new changes to his testament Gal 3:15 As He hung dead on the cross the New Covenant age began went into effect...and His disciples still hurried to bury Him in order to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment says Luke...and Passover. As if we are NOT to live as He lived? 1 John 2:6 or not love just as He loved us? NO evidence is provided for the claims He made changes...that He served leftover Easter Ham sandwhiches during His 40 days He spent with them after His resurrection. Did He teach one thing and do another like a hypocrite Pharisee? Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF "Jesus" Rev 14:12 what was His faith? Buddhism? Hindu? Muslim? Christianity? East or West... Christendom merely keeps the false witness begun by the Synagogue of Freedman that He changed the customs Moses delivered us Acts 6:9-17 Luke calls it false witness as they were trying to slander Stephen claiming he taught the customs were changed...it would be TRUE witness if Stephen did teach that because He did DO that...
With all due respect, Jeff, you'll need to do more than offer vague, unqualified criticism if you want to be taken seriously around here. We've got a lot of intelligent people in our comments section! Shalom, Rob
Another great video. Have you come across Baruch Korman who runs Love Israel? He is the most influential Hebrew Roots teacher in my area and teaches in one of the universities in Israel.
Thanks, Gloria! Someone sent me a short article of his, and I didn't find anything offensive in it. But I'm not at all familiar with his theology or body of work. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRootsthanks, he has a large body of work that I haven’t waded very far in. I really just see how the HR folks around me have been effected by him. There are definitely HR teachers that are more offensive.
I greatly appreciate Dr Solberg’s work. I believe he presents data in a Christian manner, much as Jesus did with the woman at the well. Hence the reason I subscribe to his channel and follow his work. However, I do not agree with a number of assertions in this video. I am pronomian, but I tend to agree more with Dr Roy Gane and his approach to the Law under the New Covenant. He applies the Law using in his words the Progressive Moral Wisdom approach. His thesis seems to best fit the teachings of Jesus and the apostles as pertaining to the function of the Law in a New Covenant relationship. The Law is applied post theocratic Israel, post temple, in the light of Christ’s application of the Law and its process and function in modern life. Finally, many theologians have documented a great apostasy within the mainstream church as predicted by Paul. (2 Thes. 2). I do believe there was a purpose to the reformation. The true concept of salvation was for the most part lost by the church. The church had to rediscover salvation by grace alone. Also, Dr Bacchiocchi’s seminal work from Sabbath to Sunday demonstrated how various aspects of the Law were systematically removed from the New Covenant understanding within the church. Again, I don’t agree with everything the Hebrew roots brings to the table, but I do believe that mainstream Christianity has gotten drawn into a mindset that conforms more to the world than the Christ centered life Jesus wanted for us as we walk with Him. Blessings in the New Year.
Thanks, Viking! Gane's Progressive Moral Wisdom approach is very similar to my Principle & Expression Framework. (Which you can read about it in my book _Torahism._ It's also explained here: th-cam.com/video/YqpcV0AGPPM/w-d-xo.html.) Both approaches argue that the principles given under the Old Covenant law persist, but we are not legally obligated to keep the commands as they were given to the ancient Israelites. Gane says the "OT laws reveal wise and enduring values and principles, even when certain laws do not directly apply to us today" (Old Testament Law for Christians, p. xiv). And he adds, "There must be indirect ways in which even laws that are not directly applicable to us are ‘profitable’ for guiding and equipping the people of God, filling gaps in our wisdom regarding how to live” (Ibid., p. 142). And I certainly agree! Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you so much for this summary of your hermeneutic. As an aside, I really appreciate your diagram of how the Law functions in the New Covenant. This is the approach I teach in my studies, but your diagram makes it much more intuitive than my presentations. I have added your book, Torahism, to my library. I look forward to reading it. Blessings as you continue to build up the body of believers.
The question should be, should we do the things Jesus did and told his followers to do. Edit Romans 3:4 New King James Version 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be [a]true but every man a liar. As it is written: “That You may be justified in Your words, And may overcome when You are judged."
I actually have profound knowledge about this, and I think the nazarenes could be right. In order to explain everything, I would need many hours... The points I have for this were not addressed in this video. Hit me up if you are interested. Everything I alone know is supposed to be passed into you and many others.
I literally experienced this and praise Lord Jesus for revealing me the truth. He told me it was never about Religion. He said God actually created Religion last (Torah) to eliminate all other religions and reveal Himself as true. Because no other religion actually revealed mankind’s flaws. Jesus Christ is the only way back to God now. The Torah only reveals God as true. But keeping or not keeping it does nothing for salvation. Love fulfills the whole Mosaic Law, and eradicates and prevents sin in general. So the Law of Moses is null compared to Love.
I’ll tell you the cause of this. It’s racism. Some of my afro-America Torah observant brothers believe we are still obligated to keep it because we were lied to by other nations not to and salvation only belongs to Afro-Israelites and no other nation because God loved Jacob but rejected all other nations without acknowledging the fact that because God said He hates Esau doesn’t mean we mortal creatures should also hate Esau, which would be equating ourselves to God, just like Satan did. WE BE LOVE. Keep teaching brother.
It’s not an obligation. Think like a father and you’re telling your kids what to do. You tell one kid to take out the garbage and they enthusiastically do it run back in and give you a hug and kiss saying thank you for giving me a task that will please you. I love you, daddy. Then the other kid Says all man why do I have to do this? This is so dumb and quite reluctantly does it with much venom. It’s all in the attitude. God wants us to want to keep this command if we don’t want to want to keep it then we don’t. However, if that kid doesn’t take out the garbage eventually, the house will start to stink. The blessing here is a clean house. The curse here is a stinky house somewhere with a command of not putting your hand on a hot cold because you will be cursed by the pain, all is blessings and curses and God outwardly wants to give you all the blessings he can and it’s up to us to decide to take them.
Since you did your thesis paper on the first 300 years AD can you do a video on all the church Fathers that spoke about Jesus being fully God and man but different from the Father. I know they never used the term trinity but I believe most of them believed in the concept.
Hello, Allen! As I mentioned in the opening of this video, "On this channel we’ve looked at many different ways in which Torahism (or you might know it as Hebrew Roots) does not align with what the Bible teaches. But today we’re going to look at it from a different angle..." And at the end I concluded, "At the end of the day, in addition to all the biblical problems with Torahism that we’ve looked at in hundreds of other videos, there is no logical or historical reason to believe it’s true." I would encourage you to check out some of our other material. Here's a good place to start: th-cam.com/video/JshoB2GcnBY/w-d-xo.html RL
@@TheBiblicalRoots One needs to be either Torah observant or Christian...can't see how to do both together. There are people I know who are Torah observant and not Christian. There may be theological errors in the HR movement, just like there is in Christianity. Suggesting following Torah is un-biblical, will to some, suggest you are stepping above Yahweh when he said 'forever and all generations' and that is above all our pay grades. I've watched several of your videos and can say you have not convinced me that Yahweh is going to take issue with those who follow Torah to the best of their abilities in this time we live in. At the end of the day tho, Christian or HR or strictly Torah observant...it's each individuals relationship walk with Yahweh and we were not ask us to judge like this.
Scripture itself speaks against the Error theory promising that "the gates of Hell" will not prevail against the Church, promises about God's Faithfulness to keep his word etc.
First of all, the "old" covenant is the EXACT same thing as the "new" covenant instruction. The ONLY difference is the disposition of sin. As it is, I've just started watching. I'll be back, with notes, after this vid. The speaker talks about misapplication of Scripture and misinterpretting the same. There are well over fifty places in both the Tanakh and the B'rit Chadashah were Xtians pervert Scripture, and it's easily shown.
"Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God." ~ Romans 7 : 1ff
"And for this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under that first covenant." ~ Hebrews 9 : 15
Hi, Joel! Technically this is not an argument from authority because I was not asserting that the mere fact that mainstream Christianity agrees on one particular issue makes mainstream Christianity correct. If anything, it’s an appeal to consensus. I said as much in the video: "We have to admit that all these great thinkers were fallible human beings. As brilliant as they were, they were still capable of making mistakes, just like anybody else. And just because they all agree with each other on this issue doesn’t necessarily mean they were all right. And their writings certainly don’t rise to the level of inspired Scripture. But guess what? Modern Hebrew Roots teachers are just as fallible and just as capable of making mistakes and being wrong. And just because Torah-observant Christians all agree with each other on this issue doesn’t mean they’re right." Shalom, RLS
Yes, true Christians have given up their comforts and preferences, like pork eating to follow Christ, so the real question people have to ask themselves is, am I a true Christian?
Hallo Professor Solberg, I always like watching your videos even though I don’t always agree with your conclusions. I also like watching Rabbi Tovia Singer who I agree with much he says but also don’t agree with his conclusions. I believe you both are right on many issues and wrong at the same time. Anyway, let me respond to your video: 1. Corruption: we know that New Testament scriptures were corrupted. For example ancient manuscripts and writings of the church fathers do point towards the baptism being the major event that made Jesus the son of God and not the nativity stories. Also the gospel and Hebrews writers and Paul often misquote passages from the TeNaCh or take them out of context to make them confirm their theology. 2. Error: All the giants of faith throughout history were concerned with other issues mostly than to verify the New Testament against the Hebrew Scriptures 3. Conspiracy: who benefits? All Bishops and Christians who wanted the persecution to stop. Legalising Christianity in the Roman Empire was a big motivational factor to make it more Roman friendly and elevate the status of Jesus so he would be accepted worthy of following in a Hellenistic World. Compromises that the church might have deemed beneficial for the Christians in general. Like Christians today celebrate Easter and Christmas, compromising to not offend the world for no beneficiaries reason. And why not blame the Jews if it helps to stop Christian persecution. They were an easy scapegoat. And let’s make Pilate a saint.
The reasoning that we can’t be wrong for so long is very weak to me. In Jesus time the Pharisees were the mainstream religion and they were also wrong. Following the law is making your life point to Jesus as the law was pointing to Jesus. Jesus saved us from sin so we set ourselves apart as a testimony. The reason that since we already have Jesus so we don’t have our lives to point to Him (by living out Torah) is very selfish to me. And the whole permitted but not required sounds like this world, not at all the character of Jesus
Another response to the "can't be wrong for so long" argument is that the error was already in existence at the first century. Yochanon wrote: "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (I Jn. 2:18-22) If you ask an Xtian if they deny the Father and Son, they will, most assuredly say, "NO." The problem with this is that the word "deny" also means to CONTRADICT. Their tune changes when you ask them if they contradict the Father and Son. They deny / contradict the Messiah, who is the embodiment of the Torah. The Torah came from the Father. Now, getting to the meat of their opinion, we can see that a little error in the beginning results in greater errors later down the line. The "early church" was anti-Semitic due to the rule of Rome. That can be easily seen with just a bit of research. If we take Yochanon's thought about many "anti-christs," then we can understand that many errors were creeping in when he wrote his letters. Some errors were EGREGIOUS and easily recognized. Many were simply lies that flew under the radar, so to say, for a time. Aristotle wrote: "...a little error in the beginning leads to a great one in the end." (Imagine a graph with an arc, showing a slight deviation at the beginning, but over time the arc continues to grow.) Aristotle's phrase encapsulates the answer to the "can't be wrong for so long" argument. They (Xtians) are and have been wrong for millennia. Their error really took off with the early "church fathers," but that's another argument.
Rob, they are not going to abandon their errors. They are committed, especially given the element of human pride. Works-based salvation hinges exclusively on human pride for efforts. Nobody likes admitting that they were so very wrong in their theology. The exhaustive and pathetic excuses they offer for their lack of a temple as the reason for their lack in obedience when they could have long ago constructed a tent tabernacle to continue the blood sacrifices as the Law demanded, they have no excuse for their hypocrisies. I'm not trying to be ungracious here, but there comes a time when the gauntlet must be cast down to show where the error lies. The discretization of Paul as a legitimate apostle is so very laughable, given Acts 15. They would have to build a case that the counsel of apostles was far too corrupt for them to have willingly given audience to Paul.
@ShiaDiscourse And where is that stated in scripture? I don't recall any command anywhere that the tent tabernacle was never to be revived again, other than it being David himself who quipped that it wasn't right in his own eyes that he dwell in a palace while the Lord's earthly presence be in a tent. What you're saying seems to make for a very convenient slight-of-hand excuse for justifying the hypocrisy of the Judaizers. 1 Chronicles 28:2 Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: [As for me], I [had] in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building:
I hear you! But I believe I am called to play the long game. As mother Theresa famously said "God has not called me to be successful; He has called me to be faithful." I am no Mother Theresa, to be sure! But I will continue to teach the Biblical truth (as best I can as a flawed and limited man), and keep praying for those caught up in spiritual slavery, and trust God with the results. Shalom! Rob
@ShiaDiscourse Whatever your name is, it is YOU who needs to learn history! David is the one who collected the majority of the building materials for that temple that Solomon built due to the blood on the hands of David from all his unauthorized killing sprees. It is DAVID who made the decision for that temple to be built. As an Israeli, I know good and well what the TRUTH of the matter is! I have grave doubts that your arm-chair scholarship will ever save face for you on this mix-up of yours!
4:20 we are not under the new covenant. It's for Israel. Jeremiah 31:31 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:32 (KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Certainly Christians are not fulfilling this.
This presentation is filled with the Straw Man fallacy. He exaggerates and misrepresents the logic behind living by the Creator's Instruction. King David says the Torah is a delight. If you think that it is an unbearable burden, you're doing it wrong.
Hi, Joel! A "strawman argument" is when you exaggerate, misrepresent, or completely fabricate someone else's position. I am far from perfect, but this is something I try hard to avoid in my work. Can you give me an example from this video where I exaggerated, misrepresented, or fabricated the position of Torahism/Hebrew Roots? Because I want to publicly correct myself if that is the case. Thanks! Rob
Really appreciate you addressing this subject, and I also appreciate your approach. I reconnected with my faith in my late teens/early twenties through the Hebrew Roots movement and while there are some beautiful things that I think the western church would benefit from by understanding the Hebrew calendar and feasts etc.. There were a lot of damaging teachings that took me some time to unlearn. Thank you for the content you continue to put out.
Sorry you had a bad experience with the HR. Can you give me an example of one of the damaging teachings. I know, as in all groups, there are those who may not get things right. Thanks
Those that are under The Law say look at me, look at my works. Those that are under the Grace say look at Him, look at His works.
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God will judge the works of everyone on earth at the time appointed.
Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
What about the 10 commandments?
Do we obey them or not?
Or is it just the Sabbath that mainstream rejects?
That is what you been told, but I don't think that they believe works earns them salvation, but that obedience to the law of God is a righteous walk before God, nothing to do with salvation. Question to you, have anyone in the Tanakh kept God's law? Yes or no.
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How is Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses , the proohets, David, etc, all saved before Jesus?
Luke 1 v 6 " and they were both righteous before God , walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless".
Jesus came for the LOST house of Israel, not those not lost.
Mark 2 v 17
Matt 15 v 24
Matt 9 v 13
Luke 5 v 32
Luke 19 v 10
Etc....
Revelation 12 v 17
Revelation 14 v 12.
Dont be deceived by the beast.
I’m adding this comment because I was involved with a Torah observant group here in South Carolina for over one year. I’m not happy to say this but I detect a slight hint of arrogance amongst these people. Not that they brag, but they look at main stream Christianity/theologians, with the idea that many are called, yet few are chosen, and they believe that they are chosen. They have an idea as if since the Bible says that the way is narrow, and only a few people find it, well, they believe that they are the few that “found” it.
I've been to various denominational churches (particularly "oneness" apostolic & Church of Christ) who believe they've got a lock on salvation due to some particular doctrine they believe they've gotten exclusively right & everyone else has gotten flagrantly wrong. It seems to be the insecure human's desire to elevate oneself at the expense of others?
I was thinking the same thing while watching this video, that basically that they are the remnant that has it right and everyone else is wrong. Typical of cult like teaching
Pompous Pharisees are prideful. Hebrew roots heretics are egotistical self righteous false brothers, and accusers of the brethren.
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Yes. I had been told directly “yes, that is what it (the verse/passage) says, but this is what it means” too many times. The gal that lured us into torah has a TH-cam channel and she actually said that we were in danger of losing our salvation if we didn’t keep the feasts. I won’t link it because I don’t want anyone else to be misled.
My wife converted to Judaism about 5 years ago. She was a professing Christian when we were married but then started looking into Hebrew Roots at the behest of my stepson who was dabbling in Torahism. He backed out of Torahism but she did not and soon she declared Christianity and even Christ as false teachings. I would say it has had a significant negative effect on our marriage.
I'm so sorry 😢
That's heartbreaking, Andrew. I'm sorry to hear that. Sadly, she is not the only person who has followed that path. But we serve a God of miracles and no one is ever too far gone for Him to bring back! Keep praying. Our hope is not in vain.
Blessings, Rob
Sounds like my dad who is now teaching that the "Greek" Jesus Christ (invented by Constantine) is a false messiah and indeed is the anti-christ.
I am sorry to hear how Torahism has impacted your family. I pray that the love of Christ will strengthen you and that the Holy Spirit will comfort you and enable you to show that love to your whole family.
This is the effective function of "torahism" to dethrone Christ. It is exactly what it's intended purpose is.
This is so good. These are the same issues I bring up when discussing this with HR adherents. History is just not on their side. If you REALLY think the apostles taught this, then why dont you see any of their immediate successors teaching it? I mean, as early as Ignatius (who was taught by John) you see him chiding the keeping of Jewish customs:
“Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace.” - Ignatius, letter to the Magnesians, letter 8.
but it sounds so cool to say yehuhashishuha instead of Jesus and it feels so special to celebrate Yom Kippur instead of boring old Easter.
shaleem shalam shalom
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I think the issue is that people are conflating the idea of Jewish customs, Jewish oral laws and traditions, and Mosaic temple laws with the ten commandments.
Grace you have received, yes, but you are to practice the commands, teach them to others, and practice the faith of Jesus, like Revelation 14:12 says.
Thank you, Brother.
Bringing facts to this subject is so needed for those searching.
❤loved this teaching!!!
The Lord has used you to help me get" untangled" from Torahism! I have found myself again in Christ Jesus!! Back where I belong 🌺
Thank you brother for the teachings that point to christ and not mans religion. I have found such freedom in Him again. He has used your teachings to articulate what my heart always knew but my head could figure out.
You are a true blessings and I appreciate you!!!
Shalom 💜🙏
Cool story. Can you articulate why you were drawn to the Hebrew roots demonic cult?
@@rayray4192The ignorance and willful blindness of some people baffles me. So, if HRM is a demonic cult, why then, during the Millennium, all nations will keep the feast of Tabernacles? This feast is in the Torah, isn't it?
Zechariah 14:16 KJV And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And, when Yeshua is reigning as King of the whole world, during the Millennium, he will be teaching himself...wait for it, the Law of Moses.
Isaiah 2:3 kjv And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The last time I checked, the sky and the earth were still here. Hence, the Law of Moses must still be valid.
Jesus also gave a warning about ascribing a work of God to the devil. Let me give you a hint; it has to do with being in danger of eternal damnation.
If you don't understand something, best advice: either do some research about it from the Scriptures. If not, just leave it alone and keep doing what you're doing. Peace.
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Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
@@BiblersWayCottage always got to be someone!
If I might add one other comment, having been involved with a Hebrew roots group here in South Carolina previously, they do not speak accurately about those who disagree with them. They have asked me not to share videos such as this with them, and have made in accurate comments that these type videos are coming from people who “do not believe the Old Testament“! This is so far off the rails! Rob, myself, and most of Christianity definitely believe the Old Testament, we believe that it points to the coming Messiah! These Hebrew roots people, they believe that all of the rest of the Christians going to church on Sunday are in disobedience to God. They do not like to be challenged, they do not like to be questioned and when I question them, they will not answer. And I definitely asked some blunt questions such as, if you do honestly believe that the Christians going to church on Sunday are disobeying God, then why don’t you get out there on the sidewalk and protest and warn them??
He already warned us himself not to go the way of the heathen. You don't worship God the way you like you do it the way he says. Meeting on a Sunday and worshipping false Roman Catholic gods is what most do today. You don't get "The Spirit of Truth" unless you obey the commandments and will be deceived until you do. Choice is ours to make.
@@Bouncer83 "'Woman,' Jesus replied, 'believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.'"
~ John 4 : 21ff
@@kimartistamen sister, these people make it about the day of the week instead of being about God. It becomes a ritualistic , robotic automaton way to make themselves think they are pleasing God or getting closer to Him by what they do or dont to on a Saturday to me is completely rediculous and show how weak their Faith really is
Are you talking about the 12 Tribes?
@@kimartist What I wrote has nothing to do with what you replied. I agree 100% with what he said. People are still worshipping gods they don't know. When you call Yahuah god it's the same as me calling you woman. Nobody is worshipping the Father in spirit and truth. Everyone is doing it the way their religion teaches not him. I don't know if you were agreeing or trying to tell me something. Research Babylon and what we do today that came from there and come out of it. All Sungodday churches that think the Sabbath isn't important but Sungodday is super special are deceived into thinking so. The Sabbath is a sign we are his. See what Yah has to say about it.
Thanks!
Thank you so much!
Blessings, Rob
You’re welcome & praying for you 🙏🏽
Grateful to have a meaty video to dig into after 2 weeks off! Happy New Year to you & yours & here's to many more! 🥳 🎉 🪅 🎊 🎈💜📜✝️
Happy new year .but the new year does not start till 1/4/2024 that is the truth
The torah is the truth stop lienig to the poeple pleses
I love how Mr solberg is so kind and addresses HR people as their friends in a loving way . He has never been disrespectful to them. I sometimes fall short of doing that I get mad . lol keep up the amazing work Mr rob
What if the Bible was written by Hebrew prophets and apostles? What if the Bible has a Hebrew historical, mindset and cultural background? What if all the Bible's Hebrew writers point's to the Messiah, not to themselves? What if Yeshua was a Jew who was born in Bethlehem, Israel not in Rome, Italy? What if Jesus came to Israel first, then the gospel would spread to all the nations after the day of Pentecost? What if on the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem was written the twelve tribes of Israel? What if Jesus is going to come back as the Lion of the tribe of Judah and reign from Jerusalem?
you mean Yehashishuah Moshiach Ben David Ben Josiph?
what if Paul wasn't a total looney according to torahism?
And what if God made Israel as the fleshly representation through which He would then bring the spiritual reality through Christ-completing the old covenant (which was time bound) and establishing the new covenant (which is eternal).
Where does Yeshua say dont obey God. Where does he say dont dont keep thr law. Which was given to gentials at mount Sinai to (there was a mixed multitude at the mount as well as well as Isreal))
What did Yeshua say about the path..
Matthew 7:13-14 NASB1995
[13] “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [14] For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
I’ve watched this video laboriously over the past three days. I’ve come up with 45 points of contention, but I could have easily come up with over sixty.
The speaker’s word games he plays are astonishingly infantile, but I guess that’s because of who it’s directed at those who subscribe to his channel. It’s the only reasonable answer I can come up with. AND I do not mean that as an ad hominem attack, either. He finishes with a statement about making comments, and it appears he might get to them, but probably not. He also ends the video with the word “Shalom,” which, since he did not mention anything else in Hebrew during this video, I can only take it as a mocking finish.
One glaring problem with this video is its lack of Scriptural support. I had so many passages in my notes, but I realize that most people who grab a hold of this sort of thing are into fast-food spirituality, so they are not prone to listen to anything longer than 30 seconds.
The speaker’s idea of using a “thought experiment” just goes off the deep end with so many of the broad questions he asks to impugn other people’s thoughts, ideas, concepts, and standings.
I began to laugh at the video when the speaker mentioned “Torahism.” My mind immediately went to Catholicism, Protestantism, Mormonism, Anomianism (which they all take part in), and Dispensationalism, along with others, but I digress.
I’ll get right to the meat of my jibber-jabbering.
The speaker erroneously concludes that there is nothing written about the Xtian church against Torah-observant people. I only have to mention one word - POGROM. I’ll leave it to others who actually care about the matter to go out and see for their self how many times the “church” (remember Spain? How about England in the 1100s. The Russians in the 1800-1900s) actually took part in terrorizing and killing millions of Torah-observant people (and not just the Jews). So often, the Xtian organizations took on tacit approval of what was done to the Jews, and, much to the contrary of the speaker’s claim that nothing was ever written about the Xtian church taking part against Torah-observant people can clearly be seen to be in error.
Show me, in Scripture, where the resurrection was to have taken place on the first Sunday, after the first full moon, after the spring equinox. You won’t find it. It’s a creation of paganistic infusion brought about by the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). This is just a hint of where Xtianity has removed matters of Torah and replaced them with their traditions. I’ll briefly get to Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim.
Show me, in Scripture, when the Messiah was born. His birth has nothing whatsoever to do with Christmas. “Mass” in the RCC means “death” or “departure.” The shortest day of the year is Dec. 21/22. The day Sol Invictus appears in the sky for the least amount of time. Three days later, the Messiah was said to have been born. Ask any of your Wiccan friends about this. They’ll be glad to enlighten you about where this came from. As it is, do a study both on Passover (Pesach) and Sukkot, and you’ll get your unequivocal answer to this question.
Shabbat was changed on whose authority? There is nothing in Scripture about this, but, there is a WHOLE LOT to support the truth that Shabbat has not been done away with in Scripture. I can probably speak to this under another one of the speakers’ posts. If you want to look further into it, go here: www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html
I mentioned Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim, just above. What are the Xtian versions of those things?
As regards how so many geniuses were clueless about Scripture, one only needs to understand the concept shown in Is. 29:10-14 and for Israel in Jer. 16:14-19. One only needs look at the news for the latter reference. Faithful and obedient Israel says, “Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.” Again, look at the Xtian version of Halachot, Minhagim, Takanot, Gezerot, and Ma’asim.
There is just so much more that I could cover, but I’ll end it here by asking the speaker to make a video regarding his take on the following:
What does the following mean? “…And we know that the Torah is good if one uses it legitimately…” (I Tim 1:8) See also Romans 7:10, 12-14, 16, 22; Romans 8:3-8 (Please, remember Romans 7:14). If one is not in the Spirit, which is Torah, then one is in the flesh.
What does the following mean? “For not the hearers of the Torah are righteous in the sight of Elohim, but the doers of the Torah shall be declared right.” (Romans 2:13) See also Mt. 7:21-27, with special emphasis on what the word “lawlessness” means, Scripturally, and James 2:14-24.
Finally, what does the following mean? “Do we nullify the Torah through faith? Let it not be! On the contrary, we ESTABLISH THE TORAH.” (Romans 3:31) See also Romans 7:12.
I’ll be moving on to the next of this speaker’s videos, as they appear to be easily disassembled.
I don't really expect any sort of answer to any of these things.
Onward I go!
You're not alone brother ❤
If christians were under torah, Titus would have been circumcised in accordance to Torah. He wasnt. If Christians were Under Torah This verse would conveniently have to be ignored
Hebrews 7:12 (KJV) For the priesthood being changed, 👉🏿there is made of necessity a change also of the law.👈🏿
the Priests lips taught the people the law of God, According to Malachi 2.
If the Priesthood is changed, Then so does the person who we should Listen to Concerning the law. Christ is the Priest. Christ said this
Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV) 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
1) Christ fulfilled the Law
2) Heaven and earth Passed (Look up what the jews understood this term to mean)
3) When Christ Died, The New Covenant/ law of Christ was in full affect.
You might say, well paul kept a nazirite vow after Christ departed into heaven, He did that as to not offend the Jews, The same reason he circumcised timothy, To not offend them. Paul tells you several times that righteousness is NOT limited to the customs of the Jews. Noah was righteous, Yet he wasnt under Mosaic law, Neither was abraham. U might say
Genesis 26:5 (KJV)
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
HOWEVER the Commands and statutes that were Given to abraham that we can see in the bible are Not the ones we see given to Moses, An example being, The covenant with men that came before abraham was in genesis 9, In genesis 9 God gives Noah and his sons the right to consume all flesh at their own discretion, which INCLUDES “Unclean” animals deemed so in the law of moses. So we see abraham who was born under that covenant was considered righteous. And so u might say, “Well Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals” And to that i would disagree again, Because the Book of Genesis was rewritten by a later author who put those terms into the book, Just like he put “Land of Nod” and “land of Dan” in there, Neither of those lands were named thus prior to the book of Joshua, and or later, so we can see genesis has a later revisionist behond moses. SECONDARILY the clean and unclean animals prior to Genesis 9 were strictly for sacrifices/ offerings, BECAUSE according to genesis 1:28-29 Man was only permitted to eat Herbs bearing seed, and Not animals Flesh. So you see prior to Moses righteousness and wickedness existed OUTSIDE OF THE LAW OF MOSES.
Furthermore
Ecclesiastes 7:29 (KJV)
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
God already made men upright, Before even Moses. The King that took abrahams wife KNEW that adultery was wrong, Before Moses was even Born. God flooded the earth for the sake of violence. If i loved my neighbor as myself how could we have violence? In the bible noah didnt have feast days and sabbaths, Neither did abraham. Only the jews were given that covenant.
Deuteronomy 5:2-3 (KJV) 2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day.
The covenant made in horeb was for a time, UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION. I can show more if you would like to dialogue, please feel free to reach out @5102001566, if u want to pick my brain on my thougjt process, because i, at one point thought about it through a torah mindset, but ive come to a different conclusion. If not, I understand🙏🏿
@@Biblicaldetail
1. No one is to be coerced into following Torah. Coercion creates prosylytes. Willful obedience, coming to understand matters, in time, makes disciples.
2. With the priesthood being "changed," there would also come a change of Torah. Well, that interpretation is totally in error. The Torah does not change, at all. EVER. What changes is the understanding of what was given in the first place. What makes the new cutting (covenant) new is the disposition of sin. That is all. There is nothing more. Now is the exact same thing as prior to Yehoshua's coming, with the understanding of the types being fulfilled in the anti-type. Nothing has changed except the understanding. This was foreshadowed by the "veil" Mosheh had placed over his face. The glory is not what was fading. What was fading was the ignorance of the people, having its complete and total fulfillment in Yehoshua. This is why the rending of the veil in the temple occurred. It was symbolic of that truth finally being revealed in the Messiah.
3. In Jewish thought, "heaven and earth passing away" is often interpreted as a symbolic representation of a radical transformation or renewal of the world, signifying the end of the current era and the coming of a new, messianic age, often referred to as "Olam Ha-Ba" (the World to Come), where the world will be perfected and a righteous society will exist; this doesn't necessarily mean a literal destruction of the physical universe, but rather a profound change in its nature and order. This new order of things will not take place until Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkot at some point in the future. It has not occurred yet. Adopting the thought that heaven and earth has passed is nothing but a lot of hot air. The Messiah, in Luke 24:44, indicated what was written about Him, SPECIFICALLY. We are to be aware of those specifics, as they point right to His eventual second return. Sukkot = "The Season of Our Joy." To think that the Messiah fulfilled all of Torah would be in error, also. How would He have fulfilled those things which are given to women? There are a host of other things that do not apply to Him, but apply to all of us in varying degrees.
4. As regarding what Rav Sha'ul taught, it might behoove those who have an anomian bent to look up Romans 2:13 and 3:31: "For not the hearers of the Torah are righteous in the sight of Elohim, but the doers of the Torah shall be declared right... Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah." Also, look at Romans 7:12-14. These are absolutely CLEAR indicators as to what Rav Sha'ul both thought and taught. Nothing could be more clear. Even Ya'acov's statement backs up Rav Sha'ul. Go look it up.
5. As regarding Rav Sha'ul having circumcised Timothy, I'd have to think that Timothy wasn't coerced and had probably given thought to the matter long before he AGREED to have the circumcision done. If one were to ACTUALLY look at the passage in Acts, in verses 1-4, one would see the situation spoken of above. Rav Sha'ul would not have pushed Timothy to be circumcised. As it is, in verse four, we see that they went through the cities, delivering the "regulations to keep," that included the four in Acts 15, but also what is shown in verse 21. What is shown in verse 21 would indicate that circumcision was still a matter to take into account. It was not to be pushed, though, as the covenant of circumcision is a family matter. Those who are on the outside of the family should consider being just like Ruth. In being like Ruth, they would be accepted into the family.
6. You'll have to do a better study of documentary hypothesis to understand what is given in the Torah regarding place names. As regarding any sort of "revisionist," one might aptly apply the thought, but not the fact, of Yehoshua being that writer. Mosheh did not go about doing everything on his own. His assistant had a hand in helping. There may have actually been talk between the two men. Imagine that! You might also want to look more deeply into the Hebrew and how homonymic words are applied. An example of "the land of Nod" can simply mean "being in the state of vagrancy." The same goes for Eden. There is no place on the planet known as such. The term "‛ēḏen" simply means "pleasure." Again, man was created to be in a state of pleasure. It is a fact of mind, rather than a temporary physical place.
As regarding the “land of Dan,” I’d have to think you’d find fault with the term “brother,” as seen in Bereshith 14:14, but there is no problem there except for those who are clueless. But I digress. In Devarim 34:1, we also see the term “Dan,” as in “the land of,” since it had not been allocated to the tribe at that point in time.
A simple, although rather long, explanation will suffice: To the rationalistic objection that “identical names of places are not imposed twice,” we may reply, in general, that it is “in full accordance with the genius of the Oriental languages and the literary tastes of the people” to suppose that a name may be renewed; in other words, that a new meaning and significancy may be attached to an old name.355 This fact sweeps away a host of objections urged against this and similar cases. The whole series of events served to recall to Isaac’s mind the former name and the circumstances which gave rise to it, hence he renewed it. From 26:15, 18 we learn that all the wells dug by Abraham had been filled with earth by the Philistines, but that Isaac reopened them, and called them by the old familiar names. This would seem a sufficient explanation of the case before us.
In much the same way the following examples of a twofold naming are to be solved. Bethel named at one time, Genesis 28:19; at a later time, Genesis 35:15 (at the first time Jacob made a vow that, if God would bless and keep him till his return, the pillar which he had set up should be “God’s house.”356 Upon his return, in view of the abundant blessings which he had received, he performed his vow,357 changing the ideal to an actual Bethel, and thus emphasizing and confirming the original name). Dan named, Genesis 14:14; Deuteronomy 34:1 and Joshua 19:47; Judges 18:29 (many commentators-Deyling, Eichhorn, Hävernick, Hengstenberg, Jahn, Kalisch, Keil, Lange, Quarry, Zeller, and others-think that in Genesis another town is intended, that commonly termed “Dan-jaan.” Possibly the city may have had two names in ancient times-Laish (or Leshem) and Dan; one of these being more used at one time, the other at another.358 Le Clerc suggests that the town was originally called Laish, and the fountain Dan, i.e. judge; but that the Danites gave the name of the fountain, which corresponded with that of their own tribe, to the city, as a substitute for its former name). renewal is aptly intimated and expressed by the renewal of his name).
(Haley, John. Alleged Discrepancies of the Bible . Whitaker House)
As regarding “Dan-Jaan,” we see: “If the reading is correct, the name of a city mentioned only once in the Bible (II Sam. xxiv. 6). It was one of the places included in the route of Joab and his associates when they were sent out by David to number the people. Their route was eastward across the Jordan, northward through the trans-Jordanic tribes, westward to Sidon, passing Dan-jaan on the way, and southward as far as Beersheba. It is natural, then, to identify Dan, on the northern boundary of Israel, with Dan-jaan, although Conder, after Schultz, seeks to identify it with Danian near Achzib. For "Jaan" various emendations have been proposed. Gesenius changes into ("Dan of the wood"). Wellhausen and, following him, Budde, Kittel, and Driver read ("and from Dan they went round"). Klostermann and Grätz change into (Ijon), a city mentioned in connection with Dan in I Kings xv. 20.” (jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4868-dan-jaan)
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@@Biblicaldetail Sitting here smiling. You are just like the rest of the anomianistic people. You speak from opinion only. Speak to Scripture, rather than just spouting your opinion. Give us your references to Scripture that support your poor attitude. I'll wait. The fun thing is that everyone else can see your responses that should support your view. The even funnier thing is that no valid scriptural response will be forthcoming. That's ok. I'm used to it. So are the other Torah observant people. They are used to other people's misapplication of Scripture and they "thought experiments" that they use to avoid the truth. Have fun. 😀😀😀
@@BiblicaldetailPerhaps you will be able to read and digest what you read sometime in the future. Everything I spoke of is truthful. It is not my fault you cannot see this. It is not even my problem. If opinion is based on the proper use of Scripture, then I am guilty as charged. Also, your cowardly thought of agreeing to disagree is very weak. You won't be able to answer questions posited such as, "If "Jesus" fulfilled all of the "Law," then what about Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur and Sukkot?" You won't be able to answer. If you try to, then I will guarantee that your response will be weak and ineffectual. Go ahead and try it. I'd like for the public to see your response. These three mo'edim are still on the slate to be accomplished. Therefore Yehoshua has not fulfilled all of which He was sent to fulfill. Also, He could NOT have fulfilled all of the Torah, as some aspects of it applied to women as well as other things. He did not come to abolish Torah, as you are well aware. He came to fulfill. Look at Lk. 24:44. What was not shown in typical thought is still applicable and will ALL be reinstated at the third temple.
As regarding the Torah, please, educate me on what Romans 2:13 says. When you're done with that, skip over to the next chapter and tell me what Romans 3:31 speaks of. Come on back out and let the world see your intelligence on full display. Bounce back to Romans 7:14. I'll be waiting for your responses.
God prepared you specifically for this, Rob! Thank you for your clear insights and sincere heart!
Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
What I hear from torahists is that the corruption of scripture was the inclusion of Paul in the NT. So they reject or minimize those books. How would you address that?
First thing I would do is ask them how they know that. I'd need to hear an argument before I invested any time trying to address or refute it.
Paul's wrote true scriptural teachings and if you do a thorough study you will conclude that christianity have been wrongly taught. I blame this on Roman religious leaders and the Greek who translated words and verses to make it appear like it means something else; ultimately distorting the scriptures to suit what they wanted to teach and make one to believe and teach. Theologians have adapted to their teachings and Robert Solberg is one of them.
Here is an ex: i am not denying the deity of Yeshua but show me where in the scripture did God address Yeshua as God. Ask Robert Solberg that question, and in his response to you I will allow the scriptures to refute him showing that he has no understanding of scriptural truth.
@@sundownsam If Scripture does not show Jesus as God, then why do you believe Jesus is God? Or do you?
Paul is definitely a stumbling block for Torahists as he continually & eloquently & even deliberately in Romans & Galatians (& Hebrews if you believe Paul wrote it), describes living a Christian life sans Torah observance. In their eagerness to explain away difficulties by saying everything was mistranslated &/or misinterpreted, I have not seen Torahists address Paul's specific cursing of Torahists in Galatians 1 : 8 & 9 and his verbal castration of same in Galatians 5 : 12. When you sit down & read Galatians cover to cover (instead of cherry picking favorite verses & twisting), you see a blazing red hot indictment of Torahism. Paul was not playing around. He hated this false gospel as it neutralized his Lord Jesus' sacrificial work on the cross & brought all faith in Him to naught.
Hi Austin! I typically respond by paraphrasing Augustine: If you believe what you like in the Bible, and reject what you don't like, it is not the Bible you believe, but yourself.
Personally, I find the argument that Paul should be minimized (or removed) insufferably arrogant. To make such a statement, one needs to place themselves in a position of authority over Scripture. As the saying goes, fools rush in where angels fear to tread!
Shalom, Rob
Intelligence is definitely something people look at; however, revelation from God and seeing the power of God when spreading the gospel is key.
The torah movement does not have the power of God in their message.
The people the torahist proselytize are Christians rather than those who don't know Jesus. I know this from first hand experience dealing with them
Interesting too that Jews don't proselytize & in fact, not outright, but subtly discourage conversion to Judaism, because they know it's a tough row to hoe & only want sincere converts. (Most conversions are due to marriage - i.e. one spouse who is highly motivated to please the other & make sure their children get a consistent spiritual message & culture.) Torahists on the other hand do everything they can to beg, borrow & browbeat (Christian) converts to their form of Judaism. I've seen one dude who with one hand dangles the "blessings" of Sabbath keeping (as if that's all there is to Torah observance) complete with rapturous descriptions of how wonderful & filled with ease & comfort his life has become (when Jesus said we would have trials, trouble & persecution), while at the same time threatening hellfire for not immediately complying with his way of thinking. It's all performance based & the lack of love & compassion for their fellow man is glaringly obvious.
Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
I love the style of approach on this. It really gets the listeners brain engaged.
I think a major aspect of biblical content that gets overlooked by Torahism is that there is more than one covenant in the Torah, and in the Tenakh. The Torah includes the covenant to Abraham, which speaks of many nations, whereas the covenant at Sinai is with one nation. The Apostle Paul makes a big deal out of the Abrahamic covenant, and how the faith of Abraham preceded circumcision, and how the law of Sinai would not supplant the covenant with Abraham (Gal 3.17). Then we also see the New Covenant spoken of in the Torah in Deuteronomy 30.6. Deut. 18.14-19 speaks of one who would come after Moses, and would be a new revelation unlike the scary voice they heard at Sinai. This new prophet and something to replace Sinai's voice implies that there would also be a new covenant when the Prophet who bears the Name would appear to them and speak to them, and that him they must heed.
We also read that in their understanding a covenant ceases with the death of the testator, and we read that Jesus died, and that before he died he instituted a new covenant in his blood. These are all pieces of biblical content that are positive evidence that the law given at Sinai was not meant for all time, nor for all people.
There is at least one extra-Sinai covenant in the Tenakh after the end of the Torah, which is the covenant with David. The prophets speak of a new covenant, but they seem to be elaborating on what had already been revealed through Moses in Deut. 30.6.
The new covenant is a way of separating God's people from the others, and conforming the character of God's people to the character of the Father, which both seem to be the major thrusts of the Sinai covenant, that is, "This is who your God is, and what He values, therefore this is who you will be, and what you will value." The goal of separating apart a people to be like YHWH is accomplished differently in the New Covenant (Eph. 5.1) , and much more effectively, but it was the same goal that was seen in a shadowy way in the covenant at Sinai. Sinai was a different context, but the same God. The New Covenant is a universal context, and the same God.
I find a significant difference between the wording "You will not kill" from the common wording we see "Do not kill." The future tense is not a prediction so much as an expectation, a family obligation towards their god and father, who they will be in light of who their God is. The command with the wording "Do not kill" frames it in a non-relational way, that sounds more authoritarian, demanding, and burdensome. The future tense inspires a sense of belonging and comfort, knowing that the God is the patron who will look after them in unity and loyal faithful compassion. The command form inspires a sense of dread and fear, with the threat of guilt and punishment, and somebody bigger than you who will make you do what they want, or else. The future tense speaks of a selfless God, whereas the command form makes God seem selfish. The future tense speaks in a shame culture mentality, where to not behave that way brings shame, whereas the command form brings guilt for not obeying. The Sinai covenant beyond the ten commandments does not always have the future tense, if I remember correctly, and the ten commandments are not all phrased in the future tense (remember the sabbath, honor your parents). In the NIV, Exodus 20.3-4 are "You shall not" but verse 23 has two "do not's". There is a difference.
The main covenant seems to be the Decalogue with God stating who he is. (He is not the God who brought the Gentiles out of Egypt, but he is the God who brought Israel out of Egypt.) Then the many other commands seem to be precepts derived from the Decalogue that Moses or later editors worked out in their legal system for how their nation should function in light of their being God's people in that context.
Yes I find the same total non-acknowledgement of the Abrahamic covenant amongst TO. Mention it & they grow completely silent as if you suddenly spoke in a language they do not understand.
They also don't understand that you cannot prosecute a code that hasn't yet been codified - establishment of the Mosaic covenant rectified that lack.
I might only add that not only does a testator have to die in order to end (or complete) his covenant (or will), he also needs to die before his inheritors can inherit.
TO seem bound & determined to return all of humanity to a doomed pre-cross state, where no one can inherit anything, because the Testator (Christ) didn't die, His covenant (will) didn't cease (complete) & therefore animals must still be continually sacrificed in a non-existent Temple for the temporary atonement of sins ad infinitum (which is as ridiculous as it is impossible).
Very well articulated. I've been saying a bit of this to my Torah thumping dad. I'll see if he will agree to watch this well thought out presentation.
Your dad is cool
@@joshlbiomechanic My dad also says that Jesus Christ is a fake messiah, the anti-Christ, invented by Constantine
@@DavidTschoepe that ain’t cool. Who does he think is the messiah then?
@@joshlbiomechanic Yeshua, the Jewish messiah. Not the Greek counterfeit, Jesus.
@@DavidTschoepe do you believe he is a High Priest in heaven now?
Good and balanced lesson! Many years ago I attended a Messianic Jewish fellowship for a season. I was crushed spiritually and humbly crawled out from under the law. I began to understand Galatians after that season.
Galatians 2:21 (CSB)
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Ezekiel 44:9
King James Version
9 Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.
@@zouksesanet "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God."
~ Romans 2 : 28ff
@@kimartist Did Paul die for you?
@@zouksesanet Non-sequitur.
@@kimartist The Book of Ezekiel is prophetic, isn't it?
Another theory as to why people are just recently believing this way is that God (who they often refer to as “Yah”) is opening people’s eyes and drawing them back to the Torah as they are among the “scattered lost tribes of Israel”.
I heard this all the time in my 6 yrs in the movement.
It basically the Ephraimite Movement. This is what you would have found in British Anglo Israelism.
Yes they teach the Spirit is revealing this to them in the latter days. I heard it to while in HRM.
@@joshuamelton9148 Yep british Israelism repackaged and Armstrong
@@freedominchrist444 some of that smacks of the charismatic and NAR movement. I experienced all of that, too. Whewwww…I’m out! Keep up the good fight, Melissa ❤️
Thank you so much for this video!! Is your thesis paper available to the public to read?
Hi Bekah! My Master's Thesis was not officially published, however I did re-write it in popular language and release it as a book called _Divergence: Examining Jewish-Christian Relations in the Early Church,_ which you can find here: www.amazon.com/dp/1733672133
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRootsAwesome! I look forward to reading that! 😁 Thank you for your response too. It’s such a relief to have found your channel… Unfortunately, this subject has become a sore one with some people that I love dearly, and I was feeling quite distraught and blindsided by it all. I have done a lot of praying and crying and exegeting the scriptures, digging in to examine them to try and understand the Torahist views yet defend the Biblical roots (as you put it) views… I was just overwhelmed with all of the nuance and unverifiable claims that left me more confused than anything… I have found others who address some of the questions and concerns, but not in the same way you have which is very thorough and comprehensive. Thank you for providing this resource and giving such a gentle, loving, unifying message that sheds light on the issues to be debated while remaining faithful to the Word of God and Gospel of Jesus Christ ❤🙏 God bless you!
@@bekah9353 Thank you, Bekah! I can't tell you how much that means to me. I share in your frustration and fervent prayers! The whole point of our ministry is to provide resources for those struggling with this kind of thing. BTW, if you haven't seen it yet, you mind this video of ours helpful:
*Five tips for responding to Torah-keeping family and friends*
th-cam.com/video/FRKc65y4NLU/w-d-xo.html
Additionally, my book _Torahism: Are Christians Required to Keep the Law of Moses?_ might also be a helpful resource: www.amazon.com/dp/173367215X/
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Amen! You're welcome. Thank you for your compassionate understanding, truly. Your ministry is certainly appointed for such a time as this... I keep leaning into the message of Ephesians and Jesus' prayer from John 17 that we may be one as He and the Father are one. This is all a big part of that prayer being answered, I believe. And thanks for the extra recommendations! I just ordered both of your books :) I look forward to learning and growing through deeper study. Thanks again & God bless!
I love these various thought experiment posts and videos. In talking to my Messianic rabbi friend, I had an insight myself of the double mindedness of things if Hebrew roots were true. You would have the apostles working on two simultaneous projects, namely establishing their own Messianic congregation, while at the same time trying to reform the old Jews. And that presents a problem that there is only suppose to be one Body of Christ, not parallel congregations and bodies. Christianity is supposed to be new wine skin, covenant etc. not a greased up wine skin.
This was a great test of their theory. Thank you. I have a friend in that movement, I sent him a video of yours, since he wouldn’t hear me. I pray this veil will be removed from his eyes.
Thanks again for your great passion on this topic and for continuing to create great videos like this. It's weird that I have not met any Torah keeping Christ followers (I was told not to call them Christians because many don't like that term) until a couple years ago I stumbled upon a facebook group consisting mainly of Torah keeping believers and then an additional facebook page of a woman who is very outspoken about her Torah keeping faith. After some really engaging conversations with a sweet Torah keeper, I dug deeper and found your TH-cam channel. I am so glad this channel exists, because the things the Torah keeping believers say sound so believable and it would really be easy to walk down that path if a person didn't know their Bible very well. In fact, I was starting to question a few things myself about my own faith. What those conversations did spark inside me though, is a desire to get to know the roots of my own faith and to start looking into the background of the reformation and some of the early Protestant Christians.
There are some great historian teachers on that but just as many that are tainted on both sides. The RCC claims are the most tainted as they must be to defend what they created. The deeper you go into the RCC the eviler it gets. I neededvto go down that rabbit hole in order to understand it. It was dirty but I got it all off me. Then this Hebrew roots cult, how do people get to that point when they all claim to read & study the Word. A lot of them get into other books and it is no doubt they get duped. All we need is the bible (kjv if your English speaking) to know GOD
I am so happy that you found us, Melissa! God is good!
Blessings, Rob
I have no idea why people consider God's perfect law a burden. I love it, His law is a beautiful thing! Jesus followed it, why wouldn't I want to? I don't follow it for salvation, just as Jesus did not follow it for salvation. I follow because I am privileged to know it and get to follow it. Keep trying, my friend. You have done so many videos on this topic. It makes me want to follow the Torah even more, since I see how you completely mis construe things.
Thanks, Isac! I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ.
Blessings, Rob
Christians don’t follow Judaism today because the Mosaic covenant has been fulfilled in Jesus. Paul said, “If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law”
Peter said the yoke of Moses was a burden that Jewish people were not able to keep. Compare that with Matt 11:28-30
All Torah Keepers are damned. God tells us so thru Moses, Paul and James. You can't keep the law of Moses. You certainly can't keep the Feasts as God commanded, so you worship God in a manmade way. How did that work out for Aaron's Sons? Torah Keepers will be judged by the law they claim to keep
@@DaisyDayz1 Christians dont follow Judaism because they rejected Jesus and the New Covenant. They killed Jesus and would do so today
This is a great example of a passive-aggressive comment. And still Dr. Solberg was able to respond in a generous way.
Acts 15
But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter. And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus just as they will.
Keep reading in that same chapter
Acts 15:19-22 NASB1995
[19] Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, [20] but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood. [21] For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” [22] Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them to send to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas-Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren,
Go learn from Moses.. the rich man and lazerath if they don't listen to Moses they wouldn't belive even if someone was raised from the dead..
@@benjensen8700 "No other burden than those." Yes, I'm aware.
@@benjensen8700
Please read where God explains why He repented from allowing the Levitical priesthood to continue perpetually:
1 Samuel 2:30-36
Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that your house and the house of your father should go in and out before me forever,’ but now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me, for those who honor me I will honor, and those who despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
Behold, the days are coming when I will cut off your strength and the strength of your father's house, so that there will not be an old man in your house. Then in distress you will look with envious eye on all the prosperity that shall be bestowed on Israel, and there shall not be an old man in your house forever. The only one of you whom I shall not cut off from my altar shall be spared to weep his eyes out to grieve his heart, and all the descendants of your house shall die by the sword of men. And this that shall come upon your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, shall be the sign to you: both of them shall die on the same day. And I will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in my heart and in my mind. And I will build him a sure house, and he shall go in and out before my anointed forever. And everyone who is left in your house shall come to implore him for a piece of silver or a loaf of bread and shall say, “Please put me in one of the priests' places, that I may eat a morsel of bread."
Welcome back dude.
Happy new year!
Rob
It is amazing how complicsted the world of men and things are. One book and interpretation ad infinitum. Humans can debate anything and everything. Nothing comes easy does it. With man unity of thought and practice is impossible but with God in Christ truth, saving truth is possible. You shall know the truth etc. Praise God for his word. John 17:17.
Not that the law is “required”. The law is gods instructions for right living in his kingdom and lets us know what sin is in his eyes. So we try to follow the law to show god we love him. When we fail , we have grace through christs sacrifice.
This is excellent. I'd love to see a video dedicated to the history of Armstrong and the Wold Wide Church of God and how it has influenced the Hebrew roots movement.
I can give you a really good article that addresses the history of Hebrew roots and its Genesis from the Millerites.
You can find the position paper online from the International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues (IAMCS) Steering Committee dated 1/15/2014 entitled "One Law, Two Sticks: A Critical Look at the Hebrew Roots Movement"
@@joshuamelton9148 I am already aware of this paper. I've done some research into this subject myself. I just wanted to see Solberg make a video on it because I think it will be very helpful for people.
My biggest problem with this Torahism thing is that Jesus is treated more like an afterthought. Jesus is not front and center of the Hebrew movement. Seems the people of this movement begin with Jesus up front and progressively leave Him behind. Makes my heart constrict and my stomach tie up in knots just thinking about it. Thank you for all of your work and teachings on this subject.
This is exactly my experience.
Great video, Mr. Solberg! Right, if Hebrew Roots theology (or rather bunch of theologies) is true, then it means the gates of hell managed to prevail over the Church, which clearly contradicts Jesus's words in Mat 16:18.
Yes, theologies in Eastern Orthodoxy, Catholicism and conservative Protestantism may differ on some substantial questions, but nonetheless they all have common core beliefs and can share the basic creeds, which HRM theologies openly oppose.
I would like to add, as a possible reason why the Hebrew Roots is still among us. It started after Jesus resurrection, the soldiers who guarded the tomb were paid to say "His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept." Matthew 28:13-15. The connection requires a little bit of meditation.
One other thing I would like to address, that is that Jewish believers do still observe Torah according to the Jerusalem council of Elders. And according to the same council, Gentile believers need not observe any such thing, only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Acts 15. And Acts 21.
Besides that "we are not under law but under grace." Romans 6:14-18
“There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus “ (Rom. 8:1 ESV)
Pr. 28:9
Happy new year. May 2024 be a year of growth Rob. Keep up the great work.
Thank you, Joshua. May God richly bless you and yours in 2024!
Rob
- [ ] 2 Corinthians 4:5
“For WE PREACH NOT OURSELVES, BUT CHRIST JESUS THE LORD
Love your work brother
Very needed. Those Tora keeper guys are all over TicTok. I debated one over the Trinity.
Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
Also DA Carson agrees with you about what "the Law and the Prophets" means:
"Jesus’ mission was not to “abolish” (a term more frequently connected with the destruction of buildings [24:2; 26:61; 27:40], but not exclusively so [e.g., 2 Macc 2:22]) “the Law or the Prophets.” By these words Matthew forms a new inclusio (5:17-7:12), which marks out the body of the sermon and shows that Jesus is taking pains to relate his teaching and place in the history of redemption to the OT Scriptures. For that is what “the Law or the Prophets” here means-the Scriptures. The disjunctive “or” makes it clear that neither is to be abolished. The Jews of Jesus’ day could refer to the Scriptures as “the Law and the Prophets” (7:12; 11:13; 22:40; Lk 16:16; Jn 1:45; Ac 13:15; 28:23; Ro 3:21); “the Law ..., the Prophets and the Psalms” (Lk 24:44); or just “the Law” (v.18; Jn 10:34; 12:34; 15:25; 1Co 14:21); the divisions were not yet stereotyped. Thus even if “or the Prophets” is redactional (Dalman, Jesus-Jeshua, 62, and many after him), the referent does not change when only law is mentioned in v.18, but it may be a small hint that law also has a prophetic function..."
- DA Carson, Matthew: The Expositors Bible Commentary, 2017
I find it interesting that the desire to understand the Scriptures better can turn into LARPING then legalism. Never losing focus of the savior seems to be the key.
"A wonderful detailed unpacking of logic and thoughtfulness all put together nicely, wonderful work Brother."
Thank you Marcos.
Blessings! Rob
@TheBiblicalRoots hey Rob.
Could you take a look over apocrypha and the cepher.
Bible.
Many hebrew roots promote them.
And I'd
Like a bit more history of them.
Not many handle them.
I.e. I have a 19 12 variation on enoch that switched from the old translation
Where that dude Charles made a change
Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
Isaiah 45:19…I the Lord , speak righteousness, declaring things that are upright. It is the Torah that God spoke. What all your brilliant theologians speak or declare don’t matter squat to me..Would should matter to everyone is what came out of God’s mouth. Got Torah Got Truth
What some do, is they just toss out Paul, many of them. I've been involved in many Torah groups but NEVER felt led to toss out Paul. Spiritually I always knew, praises to the Most High, that was very VERY dangerous ground. I'm studying Acts, Galatians and Romans so much more now and am seeing the error of observing the Mosaic Law.
Actually Luke 22:20 TOTALLY jumps off the pages of scripture now.
Still relearning what I relearnt...
I'm now trying to figure out how to make changes since ive been, for example doing Sabbath on Saturdays and not working on that day, doing the feast days, wearing tzit tzit...not that i did those things "to be saved" but was doing them BECAUSE i was saved and believed i should be doing them. I also see the errors in so many Sunday churches, with the hyper greasy grace, that it's difficult to know what i should be doing...I know i am trusting in Messiah only for salvation, but now i feel slightly lost as to what to do. All of my associations, especially online, are ALL Torah based. My husband has come to the same conclusion, thankfully before me and we're studying together, but it is not easy. I'm wondering if i was brainwashed...has this happened to anyone else?
I'm wondering if there's any support groups? I won't bash Torah because its a "tutor" but also want to do what's right in the eyes of the Almighty.
One Stitch In The Veil has a channel where she supports people coming out of Torahism as she did. She's a busy mom, so the channel is not super active, but she & her husband are very willing to correspond via 📧
Matthew 5:19
Authorized (King James) Version
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
@@zouksesanet that doesn’t say they won’t be in the kingdom
@@Gigi2four Salvation is not the issue.
Our family is going through this same thing. I love torah, and I can't see myself ever fitting into a mainstream Christian church as we've been TO for many many years. I'd LOVE a support group.
Hi Rob, I saw that you had a discussion with Sean Griffin from Kingdom in Context a few months ago and I was wondering if you consider him to be a brother in Christ in light of his unorthodox Bible interpretations and false teachings about the deity of Jesus Christ. To be honest, I view him as sort of a cult leader. Anyway, I recently found your channel and I'm enjoying the content. God bless
Sean works for the Evil One. He is a false teacher, He rejects everything Christian
@@salpezzino7803 Oh yes, I definitely know where he's headed for keeping commandments and all that obedience! Shame on Him!
That's a great question. During our discussion on Sean's channel I was quite surprised at the extent of his beliefs. To be fair, I have barely seen any of his content, so I don't have a enough of a picture of his full theology to arrive at what I would consider a well-informed opinion. But I've seen enough to know that he has wandered pretty far off the path. He is definitely teaching unbiblical things and it is concerning. For me, a brother or sister in Christ is someone who has come to a genuine faith in Jesus as their Lord and believes that God raised Him from the dead. Brothers and sisters don't have to agree on every bit of theology, but we need to agree on the Gospel of Jesus. And the heterodox nature of Sean's teaching is so concerning to me that I am not sure that he is a brother in Christ.
Shalom, Rob
Jesus said FOLLOW ME. You can't FOLLOW a perfectly OBEDIENT Savior by being DISOBEDIENT. ....... "To the LAW and to the TESTIMONY, if they speak not according to this word it is because there is no LIGHT in them." ....
The enemy disguises himself as an ANGEL OF LIGHT, lying and deceiving people to DISOBEY GOD and His Laws. Just like he did in the garden. He is called the LAWLESS ONE and his children are called SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE!
The fact that Sean teaches that Jesus did not die as a sacrifice for our sins on the cross and instead is teaching that he is doing animal sacrifices in heaven for our sins shows that Sean has rejected the biblical gospel and the biblical Jesus. He is teaching another Jesus and another gospel. He is a wolf destroying peoples faith in Jesus and the gospel. He is to be mark and avoided. We are to warn the sheep of this wolf. He is a heretic and a cult leader.
For had ye believed Mosheh, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? YOCHANON (JOHN) 5:46-47 את
Hi Rob
After following your channel for a Month now Im confuse of the purpose of your channel about defending biblical roots of Christianity.
Not sure where you stand in regards biblical roots since Jesus Roots were Jewish and born of a Jewish Woman under the Jewish Law and that He obey perfectly.
Jesus taught His Jewish followers how to Keep the Law as Jewish and How to Keep the Law for those outside the law. When you talk about the Law which you think is not required any more You are giving the impression of Anti-biblical Roots or Anti-Law even Anti-Semitic which i dint think you are. To be fair and biblical can you add this Theory In Genesis about the fight between Kingdom of Heaven and The Kingdom of this world?
The word of God says "Two nations are in your womb, Two peoples shall be separated from your body; One people shall be stronger than the other, And the older shall serve the younger.""
Genesis 25:23 NKJV
In Exodus with Moses and Joshua defeating the Amalekites.
Then the Lord said to Moses, "Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." And Moses built an altar and called its name, The-Lord-Is-My-Banner; for he said, "Because the Lord has sworn: the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation.""
Exodus 17:14-16 NKJV
Now Esther and Mordecai fighting the spirit of Amalek in Haman and ending in victory for the Jews giving birth to the Feast of Purim to the Jews were all the Jews that were at Shushan (QAHAL in Hebrew -Which means congregation, assembly) assembled together to made a day of feasting and gladness also from resting from their enemies.
So they called these days Purim, after the name Pur. Therefore, because of all the words of this letter, what they had seen concerning this matter, and what had happened to them, the Jews established and imposed it upon themselves and their descendants and all who would join them, that without fail they should celebrate these two days every year, according to the written instructions and according to the prescribed time, that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family, every province, and every city, that these days of Purim should not fail to be observed among the Jews, and that the memory of them should not perish among their descendants."
Esther 9:26-28 NKJV
We cannot put aside that there is spirits like the Amalek spirit trying to remove the Jewishness of Jesus.
This is where Main stream Christianity looks like today when there is no (Yirah) fear of the Lord.
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Hello, Jose! The biblical roots of our faith are absolutely grounded in Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jesus is the promised Jewish Messiah, born under the law (Gal 4:4), and He said, "Salvation is from the Jews" (John 4:22). Here are four things I believe the NT teaches about the law that I have shared previously:
(1.) *The Torah has not been done away with.* It is a part of holy Scripture. Every Christian Bible begins with the Torah, and it is, therefore, “breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.” (1 Tim 3:16-17).
(2.) *The Law of Moses plays an important role in the life of a Christian.* It witnesses against our sin (Rom. 7:7), points us to Jesus (Gal. 3:23-25), teaches us about God and the history of His people, offers wisdom and insight, deepens our understanding of the person and work of Christ, and challenges us to love God (Deut. 6:4-5) and love our neighbor (Lev. 19:18).
(3.) *The Law of Moses is not binding on followers of Jesus as a body of legal requirements of obedience.* This is the consistent witness of the biblical authors across the NT (Acts 15:1-29; Rom. 7:6, 14:1-23; Gal. 3:24-25; Col. 2:16-17, etc.).
(4.) *This does not mean that Christians are without a law and can do whatever we want!* No! Jesus and NT authors give us many commands. Christians are absolutely called to live lives of love, service, purity, obedience, and moral virtue (Gal 5:13).
Blessings, Rob
Thank you for your well explain response. God blessed.
What was the prophesied NEW COVENANT??
Read Jeremiah 31.
Same law written on the heart and mind.
Not sure what you mean by that... What are you claiming?
@@jessebryant9233
Read it.
Jeremiah 31 verses 31 to 34.
@@astutik8909
So what are you claiming exactly? A New Covenant? Everyone here believes that. I'm afraid I'm not tracking here...
And Romans ch9 31-32 tells us why Israel didn't attain the way to righteousness.
Do you know why?
This video is a great summary to destroy the "Christianity is 100% pagan" lie.
Thanks for another insightful video!
The Cathlic church did that
Q : Professor may I add one more theory that I have been given? Can you speak on it please!!
321 AD Constitine made Christianity the state religion, and then combined paganism into it. That was the great falling away. The protestants came a long way, but not far enough. Y’Hushuwah sacrifice only is my salvation provided by the father. Obedience to his instructions is only the way we show him we love him. He said if you a love me, obey my commandments. The Torah will be written on our hearts when he returns.
This is not historically true.
Constantine made Christianity legal to practice in 313.
It wasn't made the state religion until 380, by another emperor.
"A new commandment I give to you: Love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also must love one another."
~ John 13 : 34
"Jesus answered, 'The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.'"
~ John 6 : 29
@@kimartistread Deuteronomy 18:15-19 and tell me whose words were they? See, Robert solberg would never respond that passage. Ask him why?
Anyone who makes those claims which is popular in HRM is ignorant of history. History refutes their claims
What if… Even in the Old Testament writings Israel themselves did. It consistently keep the law. What if God needed to send prophet after prophet to correct all the errors that people “under the old covenant” walked in? What if… israel was exiled va use of their disobedience to the law. What if… Israel thought that it was ok to disregard at least some of the laws of God? What if.. judah was exiled because of their disobedience to the law? What if… when judah returned it was only in pretense and she was more treacherous than her sister Israel? What if… the law was lost to the body of Israelites only to be found by Josiah? What if… Josiah was the only they only man in scripture described as “loving God with all his heart and with all he is soul because he established the words of the law by doing them (1 kings 23). What if… in the Septuagint the word establish in that passage is the exact word used in Roman’s 3:31 translated as uphold the law, “Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means. But rather we uphold the law”. What if???
Haha first again... 👍😁😎💯
Happy 2024 Shalom!!!
I have heard the Anti Jewish theory for the last few decades. Fortunately, I got a background in early Christianity and Eastern Christianity, and I just cite all the examples of folks that live outside the Roman Empire that are African, Syriac, Armenian, and Indian Christian that believe the same way, have the same practices, some of which descend directly from the Jews and are very Jewish sometimes in their language and customs.
I'm curious to know whether they continued keeping the sabbath. Do you know?
@@anonymom_ There is some deference to the old sabbath in traditional Christianity. This is where we get the weekend from that is the old Sabbath together with the Lord's day. You will not however find anything like Seventh Day Adventism in the ancient Church. Ignatius of Antioch is quite explicit when it comes to Christians not being under the Jewish law, including the Sabbath. As an Eastern Christian I got some deference to the Sabbath, but believe the 8th day, the day of the Resurrection, and the giving of Holy Spirit to the Church at Pentecost is superior to it and this is the proper day to have a main Eucharistic church service.
Oh my Brother Rob this message must be your best one yet!!!!🎉
Christ is the Word of God…
How do you abide in Christ if you don’t abide in the Word of God
Man shall not live by bread alone but EVERY WORD FROM MY FATHERS MOUTH !! ( emphasis only )
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, “The Torah scholars and Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses.
Mat 23:3 So whatever they tell you, do and observe. But don’t do what they do; for what they say, they do not do.
Act 15:19 Therefore, I judge not to trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God-
Act 15:20 but to write to them to abstain from the contamination of idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses from ancient generations has had in every city those who proclaim him, since he is read in all the synagogues every Shabbat.”
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, long for pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow toward salvation-
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
1Pe 2:7 Now the value is for you who keep trusting; but for those who do not trust, “The stone which the builders rejected-this One has become the chief cornerstone,”
1Pe 2:8 and “a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they are disobeying the word-to this they were also appointed.
Psa 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting souls: the testimony of the Lord is faithful, instructing babes.
Rom 3:30 Since God is One, He will set right the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah.
Shalom
I find it would be helpful to add a lot more from the apostolic church father's on the topic, being students of the actual apostles like Ignatius of antioch letter to the Magnesians etc... Nobody told me about these writings and had they told me and showed me, my walk would be corrected a lot sooner
This was everything tied with a bow. Happy New Year❤
Happy new year, Alana!
Rob
Happy new year 🎉
Happy new year, Scott!
Rob
Please list the Old Covenant laws I don't have to keep anymore.
I don't want to spoil all your fun digging into Scripture and learning for yourself, Maker! But here's one: You no longer need to make sacrifices for your sin because "there is no longer any offering for sin." (Heb 10:18).
We only keep the laws (I prefer "guidelines") that are reiterated in the New Testament. Effectively, we put aside *all* of the Old Testament, including the Decalogue. The mistake people make is to think that the reiteration of some of the laws means a continuation of the Old.
The new testament laws (guidelines) are stated in the New Testament: they are that we believe in Jesus, express self-sacrificial love one for the other, get baptised, lay off sin (sexual misbehaviour, greed, witchcraft, idolatry, gluttony, dishonesty), pray to and worship God with uplifted hands and thanksgiving, seek spiritual gifts, and fellowship with other believers, including the sharing of a meal of bread and wine, and profess our faith and baptise others in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Regarding food, don't eat meat with the blood of the animal in it. That's about it.
It's harder than it seems since it involves actually living and hearing from God in a daily basis. I hope this helps. God bless you!
"Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law."
~ Romans 13 : 8
The much harder thing to do would be for you to list the laws of the Old Covenant that we must follow I've asked numerous TO people and they all disagree...the only things that seem universal are keeping Sabbath (and they all differ on what that entails) and keeping Kosher.
The Hebrew roots advocates are more divided than people realize. They can't eventually agree what you can and can't do on the Sabbath.@@TheDjcarter1966
My finger hurts from muting and unmuting every time you used a chalk board, I thought I finally was set free from that torture when Sproul stopped! :) :) I jest; good video, very informative, I enjoyed it! thank you
LOL! I don't like whiteboards nearly as much as good old chalk! But maybe one day I'll upgrade. :-) Glad you enjoyed the video, John.
Blessings, Rob
So true. Thanks for another sound teaching. Appreciated.
And yes HRM is rooted in Armstrong World Wide church of God. Some of the leaders and people even came out of it into HRM.
I agree 100% it basically the Ephraimite Movement repackage.
The main thing you say here is should i be obedient to God and Yeshua who is Gods word made fresh or should i listen to you and all these people you listed over whst he says...
Matthew 23:1-3 NASB1995
[1] Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, [2] saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; [3] therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.
Yeshua said go every sabbath listen to Moses and do what he says!!!..
The rich man and the poor man..
Luke 16:30-31 NASB1995
[30] But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ [31] But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”
Out of love i humbly try to obey prsyijg with ny head down look at me YWHW the sinner that i am.. where you here are sayijg and allways say look at me im so much better than the other side. Im glad im not like them... love your neighbour as yourself.. how about instead of bickering like you do you walk out the love that was taught..
Respectfully, Ben, that is not the main point of this video. As far as who to obey, I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots I get thats not the main point of this video (that is to say look all these people that want to keep Gods commandments beause they love him are wrong and this Is why)
Matthew 22:37-40 NASB1995
[37] And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ [38] This is the great and foremost commandment. [39] The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ [40] On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Here Yeshua is saying quoting from torah
Deuteronomy 6:4-9 NASB1995
[4] “Hear, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one! [5] You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. [6] These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. [7] You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. [8] You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead. [9] You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Leviticus 19:18-19 NASB1995
[18] You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the Lord. [19] ‘You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.
(And alot of other places)
Jeremiah 31:31-34 NASB1995
[31] “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, [32] not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. [33] “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. [34] They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares the Lord, “for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Hebrews 10:15-18 NASB1995
[15] And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying, [16] “This is the covenant that I will make with them After those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws upon their heart, And on their mind I will write them,” He then says, [17] “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” [18] Now where there is forgiveness of these things, there is no longer any offering for sin.
Instead of being on tablets Yah is turning our heart from stone and putting His Law in our minds.. his Torah.. not half of it not this one or that one the whole thing
Do we Love God with all.our heart and all our mind if the answer is Yes which it is then why is it wrong to keep his commandments? Do i do it to be saved ?No. Do i do it to say oh look at me im so much better than every one else? no I don't. I do it because I love YWHW and I want to show him that love (No i am not perfect but I'm trying my hardest)
So if LOVE is what the Torah teaches as Yeshua quoted taught love. (Him being YWHW 's word so the Torah made flesh as it says in John 1.) Then why not love him.. go thru the entire 600 odd commands (not the way the Jews have twisted them the way they are intended that Yeshua brought them back to) they teach you how to love God or love your neighbour. If your enemy ox falls into a ditch you shall save it and look after it untill he returns. Exodous 23:4-5 this is love..
The ten commandments.
1. You will have no other Gods before me... Which is a Love God commandment
2. You shall not make idols.. love God commandment
3.don't take Gods name in vain. Love YWHW commandment
4 keep the sabbath day. Love God and love your neighbour commandment.
5. honor your mother and father.. love your neighbour commandment
6. Do not murder. love your neighbour commandment
7. Don't murder. love your neighbour commandment
8. Don't steal. love your neighbour commandment
9. Don't lie. love your neighbour commandment
10. Don't covert.. love your neighbour commandment
Are they binding thats up to you. Can we keep some of them? Possibly not some of them are out of my control to keep. as you said some pertain to women some to men some to priest. Are they hard? Well not really not as hard as i was taught in a modern church.. will they save us? Nope no chance? Do they show where our heart is? 110%. you me joe from down the street will be judged by every word and action. . Should we sit around making videos saying with lots of words and people, trying to prove that I'm right and they are wrong than the the other side. No we shouldn't. goes for both sides.. yes there are some things that should be corrected. And yes we should stand on YWHWs truth and walk in his light but who is more important? The person that belives or the unbeliever. How about we sprinkle seeds instead and let YWH grow this seeds the way he sees fit. I am unworthy imperfect person and so are you. Why do you want to cause so much more division ? You could spend your video making time in showing love to your enemy. Love to the other side... every video I watch of you is attack the other side attack the other side!! Humbly I ask you to step back and pray about this please ..
Love God with all you heart and you neighbour as your self on these hang the Torah and the prophets..
Just like you hang your clothes on a coat hanger if you dont have these then you walk around with only a coat hanger and either naked or wearing spiritual clothes that are not Gods
Love and shalom Ben please pray and think about this
Do we miss that its God's Law and given through Moses? Was the law given to Israel only? Why then the Flood and destruction Soddom and Gatorade, why was Caine's offer rejected why did he sacrifice? The ark we have it as the animals two by two but some were 7 there was a law pre Sanai. The Sabbath is God's Holy day not a holiday but a Holy day.
Holy means set apart, the day isnt holy in the same sense as God is HOLY, Saturday or any day of the week is not HOLY as God is HOLY. One problem we do have today is gentile judaizers and its kinda ironic, but hey we're in the last days. The moral law is eternal, but only because sin is present do we need it. Once sin is done away with and it will be done away with also so will the LAW. Because where there is no sin there is no law
"Now, ISRAEL, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the LAND the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you."
~ Deuteronomy 4 : 1
I am, however, interested in hearing more about the destruction of Soddom & Gatorade.
The Law has and always will be for ANYONE who covenants with the God of Abraham as evidenced by:
Exodus- 12:19; 12:49; 20:10 Leviticus - 16:29; 24:22 Numbers- 9:14; 15:14-16; 15:26; 15:29; 19:10; 35:15 Deuteronomy- 1:16; 5:14; 24:14 Joshua 8:33; 8:35; 20:9
Isaiah 56; 65:17-25
Ruth
Matthew-12:8; 12:12
Mark- 2:28; 3:4
Luke-4:16; 4:31; 6:5
Acts- 13:44; 15:21; 16:13
17:2; 18:4
Collosians 2:16
1 John 2:3-6; 3:4
Revelation 21-22
Cain and Abel knew to bring offering/sacrifice to YHVH
Genesis 4:3-5 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals.
Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
And
Abraham was accounted righteous because of his obedience.
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS.
hmmmm…all this before Jacob was even born.
I guess with the last theory I end up speaking about the history of the Judaizer movement in classical times talking about the Judaizers and Ebionites and compare them to what is going down today. One scriptural truth these Torahists forget is the Biblical principle of things being "In the mouth of two or three witnesses" and the Orthodox position is established aplenty by early witnesses ones that were mentored by the Apostles etc. Meanwhile, people teaching against this need to try to claim their own authority, and this violates other Biblical principles, the sheep are suppose to know the shepherd while these people are unknown, self-promoting etc.
But on the positive side of things I do show the "Jewish roots" of Christianity in the Eucharist service, and show how that reflects both the temple and synagogue worship, as well as Passover etc.
Unfortunately a lot of HR people miss grace. All sin is covered by the blood. Never underestimate the power of the death and resurrection. Unfortunately mainstream Christian’s miss the instructions and the beauty of the law. A lot of your points have a lot of holes in it my brother. Polycarp said that he does everything John does including observing sabbath and specifically Passover.(just to name one early church fathers) The Bible is full of references that point to the law still being truth and binding. Including Pauls letters. The curse of the law is condemnation and death. This is clearly done away with by the death and resurrection of Jesus. The law is instruction for how one is to live as a priests and kings. Not to toot your horn and think of yourselves as better than another. Obedience is worship. Here’s a theory, if I’m right and the law is still binding. Everyone is under grace and the blood covers your sin. If I’m wrong I’m still covered by the blood as long as you don’t see your works as salvation. This point is made very clearly by paul. And everything I do is filthy compared to the glory of God one way or another. How about we all just get along…… one thing before I shut up, read the Bible with fresh eyes and fresh heart every time you pick it up. Test everything, and be slow to judge the man next to you. We are all on the path of sanctification and let’s not put stumbling blocks in front of each other. Can I get a hallelujah please?!
The curse of the law is found in Deut. It states anyone who does not keep all of torah is under a curse. If one puts oneself back under law then one must keep all of it perfectly.
Thank you Abba for giving us another year! I am reading your book and thank you
Are you responding to the video by Messiah Matters on Torahism? I didn't watch the video yet.
I'm not aware of that video, Kenneth. I'll have to look for it.
Rob
This is the video:
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Rob Vanhoff, the co-host on the right, is a good friend of mine, a Hebrew scholar and a regular at ETS Conferences.
Also RT France agrees with you about what "the Law and Prophets" means:
"For “the law and the prophets” (the “or” here results from the negative form of the sentence) as a way of referring to what we now call the OT" - RT France, the Gospel of Matthew
31 minutes well spent.
Malachi 4. Could you give your interpretation because that 1 chapter tells us different. Yah wants obedience , satan wants disobedience. Rev 12:17. pick a side this guy obv picked the wrong one too as he's teaching against the word of God.
Hi, Bouncer! I teach and believe that obedience is God’s “love language.” Jesus said, “If you love me, you will keep my commandments” (John 14:15). And I'm sure you would agree that not every command that God has given applies to every person at all times. Some of His commands only apply to certain people (i.e., men, women, parents, Levitical priests) or for certain times (i.e., building an ark, gathering manna, while in exile). And I'm sure you would also agree that we are each only expected to keep the commands of God that apply to us. The NT teaches that the ceremonial commands given under the Law of the Sinai Covenant do not apply to Christians today. (ex. Repeated blood sacrifices for sin are no longer required (Heb 10:18).) We still serve God and obey His commands, “But now we are released from the law, having died with Christ to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6). So if you want to put a classification of "law" on it, Christians follow the Law of Christ.
Blessings, Rob
The elephant in the room is... Israel never obeyed the law! That's why a new covenant was promised before Judah even went into Babilonnian captivity.
@ShiaDiscourse “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a *new covenant*
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
It *will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors*
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because *they broke my covenant,*
though I was a husband to them,”
declares the Lord. (Jer. 31:31-32)
@ShiaDiscourse "And the Lord said to Moses: 'You are going to rest with your ancestors, and these people will soon prostitute themselves to the foreign gods of the land they are entering. They will forsake me and break the covenant I made with them. And in that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and calamities will come on them, and in that day they will ask, ‘Have not these disasters come on us because our God is not with us?’ And I will certainly hide my face in that day because of all their wickedness in turning to other gods."
~ Deuteronomy 31 : 16ff
@ShiaDiscourse- We're evidently reading different Bible's. The Old Covenant had blessings and curses. We all like the idea of blessings, but we ignore the courses promised for breaking the binding Ketubah. Those curses were just as promised as the blessings. To save Israel from the utter destruction promised for disobedience, a New Covenant had to be made and one of the testators of the Old Covenant had to die free Israel (the wife) from the Old Covenant and the curses promised for violating it. God the testator died as Yeshua and a New Covenant was established through which Israel could be saved. All who chose to be redeemed could enter freely into the New Covenant but those who refused suffered the penalty promised under the Old.
As far as the Conspiracy theory goes I have mentioned something I learned in psychology that people tend to reinterpret the past in light of the present. And on this topic, Torahist and Hebrew roots tend to interpret Church history with the jaundiced eye of what happened with the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition etc. which is much different that what happened in ancient times. Not only that we actually see the opposite namely ani-gentilism in Judaism, especially in the work of the Talmud, but you can see a little prejudice in the New Testament where folks were afraid to eat with gentiles because of the kosher customs. I really believe there is a kind of tit for tat animosity that developed Between Christianity and Judiasm that came over persecution and rivalry. Christianity of course came out on top which is why things are framed as they are, but in the early centuries this would be a bit like a Jacob and Esau sibling rivalry.
I don't know what bible you are reading, but i would highly suggest you stop teaching this unbiblical lie! We are supposed to be imitators of Christ. We are told to FOLLOW Him, and to OBEY Him! READ John 14:15 John 14:21 He said this 5, yes FIVE TIMES, also read Mathew 5:18 HINT: heaven and earth are still here... But from your teaching i can see you are in another world and probably do not realize heaven and earth still exist! I pray that God will remove the deception from your heart, because there is heavy judgement for teachers of scripture who lead others astray.
The last verse in the passage I quote here supports your statements: "My little children, I write this to you, so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Intercessor with the Father, יהושע Messiah, a righteous One. And He Himself is an atoning offering for our sins, and not for ours only but also for all the world. And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands.a Footnote: aSee 1Jn_3:6. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Elohim has been perfectedb in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked."
I'll repeat it: "The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked."
John 5:46-47
Jhn 5:46 For if you were believing Moses, you would believe Me-because he wrote about Me.
Jhn 5:47 But since you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Both were mediators of a covenant and the conditions of the covenant is Gods Law - Torah…
So the claim is the New Covenant was only taught but not actually demonstrated prior the testator's death? Heb 9:16-17 makes clear a testament goes into effect at the testator's death. Paul confirms that once the testator dies there can not be new changes to his testament Gal 3:15
As He hung dead on the cross the New Covenant age began went into effect...and His disciples still hurried to bury Him in order to keep the Sabbath according to the commandment says Luke...and Passover.
As if we are NOT to live as He lived? 1 John 2:6 or not love just as He loved us?
NO evidence is provided for the claims He made changes...that He served leftover Easter Ham sandwhiches during His 40 days He spent with them after His resurrection. Did He teach one thing and do another like a hypocrite Pharisee?
Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith OF "Jesus" Rev 14:12 what was His faith? Buddhism? Hindu? Muslim? Christianity? East or West...
Christendom merely keeps the false witness begun by the Synagogue of Freedman that He changed the customs Moses delivered us Acts 6:9-17 Luke calls it false witness as they were trying to slander Stephen claiming he taught the customs were changed...it would be TRUE witness if Stephen did teach that because He did DO that...
With all due respect, Jeff, you'll need to do more than offer vague, unqualified criticism if you want to be taken seriously around here. We've got a lot of intelligent people in our comments section!
Shalom, Rob
What are the laws of Moses that you keep referring to.
What the Bible calls the "Law of Moses" are the commands oh Yahweh listed in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Blessings, Rob
Another great video. Have you come across Baruch Korman who runs Love Israel? He is the most influential Hebrew Roots teacher in my area and teaches in one of the universities in Israel.
Thanks, Gloria! Someone sent me a short article of his, and I didn't find anything offensive in it. But I'm not at all familiar with his theology or body of work.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRootsthanks, he has a large body of work that I haven’t waded very far in. I really just see how the HR folks around me have been effected by him. There are definitely HR teachers that are more offensive.
I greatly appreciate Dr Solberg’s work. I believe he presents data in a Christian manner, much as Jesus did with the woman at the well. Hence the reason I subscribe to his channel and follow his work.
However, I do not agree with a number of assertions in this video. I am pronomian, but I tend to agree more with Dr Roy Gane and his approach to the Law under the New Covenant. He applies the Law using in his words the Progressive Moral Wisdom approach. His thesis seems to best fit the teachings of Jesus and the apostles as pertaining to the function of the Law in a New Covenant relationship. The Law is applied post theocratic Israel, post temple, in the light of Christ’s application of the Law and its process and function in modern life.
Finally, many theologians have documented a great apostasy within the mainstream church as predicted by Paul. (2 Thes. 2). I do believe there was a purpose to the reformation. The true concept of salvation was for the most part lost by the church. The church had to rediscover salvation by grace alone. Also, Dr Bacchiocchi’s seminal work from Sabbath to Sunday demonstrated how various aspects of the Law were systematically removed from the New Covenant understanding within the church.
Again, I don’t agree with everything the Hebrew roots brings to the table, but I do believe that mainstream Christianity has gotten drawn into a mindset that conforms more to the world than the Christ centered life Jesus wanted for us as we walk with Him.
Blessings in the New Year.
Thanks, Viking! Gane's Progressive Moral Wisdom approach is very similar to my Principle & Expression Framework. (Which you can read about it in my book _Torahism._ It's also explained here: th-cam.com/video/YqpcV0AGPPM/w-d-xo.html.)
Both approaches argue that the principles given under the Old Covenant law persist, but we are not legally obligated to keep the commands as they were given to the ancient Israelites. Gane says the "OT laws reveal wise and enduring values and principles, even when certain laws do not directly apply to us today" (Old Testament Law for Christians, p. xiv). And he adds, "There must be indirect ways in which even laws that are not directly applicable to us are ‘profitable’ for guiding and equipping the people of God, filling gaps in our wisdom regarding how to live” (Ibid., p. 142). And I certainly agree!
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thank you so much for this summary of your hermeneutic. As an aside, I really appreciate your diagram of how the Law functions in the New Covenant. This is the approach I teach in my studies, but your diagram makes it much more intuitive than my presentations.
I have added your book, Torahism, to my library. I look forward to reading it. Blessings as you continue to build up the body of believers.
The question should be, should we do the things Jesus did and told his followers to do.
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4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be [a]true but every man a liar. As it is written:
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged."
I love all of your videos brother.
I actually have profound knowledge about this, and I think the nazarenes could be right. In order to explain everything, I would need many hours... The points I have for this were not addressed in this video. Hit me up if you are interested. Everything I alone know is supposed to be passed into you and many others.
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you have told us how wonderful you are before, so please dont
I literally experienced this and praise Lord Jesus for revealing me the truth.
He told me it was never about Religion.
He said God actually created Religion last (Torah) to eliminate all other religions and reveal Himself as true.
Because no other religion actually revealed mankind’s flaws.
Jesus Christ is the only way back to God now.
The Torah only reveals God as true. But keeping or not keeping it does nothing for salvation.
Love fulfills the whole Mosaic Law, and eradicates and prevents sin in general. So the Law of Moses is null compared to Love.
I’ll tell you the cause of this.
It’s racism.
Some of my afro-America Torah observant brothers believe we are still obligated to keep it because we were lied to by other nations not to and salvation only belongs to Afro-Israelites and no other nation because God loved Jacob but rejected all other nations without acknowledging the fact that because God said He hates Esau doesn’t mean we mortal creatures should also hate Esau, which would be equating ourselves to God, just like Satan did.
WE BE LOVE.
Keep teaching brother.
Torah is the truth the only truth
You don't believe the Gospel is truth?
RL
@TheBiblicalRoots hashem words are the same yesterday today and forever only one name saves one name. Hashem words not man's
You can’t make someone see it and you can’t unsee what you saw.
It’s not an obligation. Think like a father and you’re telling your kids what to do. You tell one kid to take out the garbage and they enthusiastically do it run back in and give you a hug and kiss saying thank you for giving me a task that will please you. I love you, daddy. Then the other kid Says all man why do I have to do this? This is so dumb and quite reluctantly does it with much venom. It’s all in the attitude. God wants us to want to keep this command if we don’t want to want to keep it then we don’t. However, if that kid doesn’t take out the garbage eventually, the house will start to stink. The blessing here is a clean house. The curse here is a stinky house somewhere with a command of not putting your hand on a hot cold because you will be cursed by the pain, all is blessings and curses and God outwardly wants to give you all the blessings he can and it’s up to us to decide to take them.
Since you did your thesis paper on the first 300 years AD can you do a video on all the church Fathers that spoke about Jesus being fully God and man but different from the Father. I know they never used the term trinity but I believe most of them believed in the concept.
I am always so impressed by the way you explain things so clearly. Thank you so much.
Why don't you rather go to the actual scriptures instead of your appeal to consensus? explain James and the letters of John
Hello, Allen! As I mentioned in the opening of this video, "On this channel we’ve looked at many different ways in which Torahism (or you might know it as Hebrew Roots) does not align with what the Bible teaches. But today we’re going to look at it from a different angle..." And at the end I concluded, "At the end of the day, in addition to all the biblical problems with Torahism that we’ve looked at in hundreds of other videos, there is no logical or historical reason to believe it’s true." I would encourage you to check out some of our other material. Here's a good place to start: th-cam.com/video/JshoB2GcnBY/w-d-xo.html
RL
@@TheBiblicalRoots One needs to be either Torah observant or Christian...can't see how to do both together. There are people I know who are Torah observant and not Christian. There may be theological errors in the HR movement, just like there is in Christianity. Suggesting following Torah is un-biblical, will to some, suggest you are stepping above Yahweh when he said 'forever and all generations' and that is above all our pay grades. I've watched several of your videos and can say you have not convinced me that Yahweh is going to take issue with those who follow Torah to the best of their abilities in this time we live in. At the end of the day tho, Christian or HR or strictly Torah observant...it's each individuals relationship walk with Yahweh and we were not ask us to judge like this.
Great video. Thanks
Scripture itself speaks against the Error theory promising that "the gates of Hell" will not prevail against the Church, promises about God's Faithfulness to keep his word etc.
First of all, the "old" covenant is the EXACT same thing as the "new" covenant instruction. The ONLY difference is the disposition of sin. As it is, I've just started watching. I'll be back, with notes, after this vid. The speaker talks about misapplication of Scripture and misinterpretting the same. There are well over fifty places in both the Tanakh and the B'rit Chadashah were Xtians pervert Scripture, and it's easily shown.
I follow Jesus and he followed the torah
He didn't "follow it," He wrote it & then He did what He said He was going to do.
"Do you not know, brothers and sisters-for I am speaking to those who know the law-that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God."
~ Romans 7 : 1ff
"And for this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under that first covenant."
~ Hebrews 9 : 15
"For where there is a covenant, it is required that the death of the one who made it be established."
~ Hebrews 9 : 16
"For a will takes effect only when a person has died; it cannot possibly be valid so long as the one who made it is still alive."
~ Hebrews 9 : 17
Also, he commits the Appeal to Authority fallacy.
Hi, Joel! Technically this is not an argument from authority because I was not asserting that the mere fact that mainstream Christianity agrees on one particular issue makes mainstream Christianity correct. If anything, it’s an appeal to consensus. I said as much in the video:
"We have to admit that all these great thinkers were fallible human beings. As brilliant as they were, they were still capable of making mistakes, just like anybody else. And just because they all agree with each other on this issue doesn’t necessarily mean they were all right. And their writings certainly don’t rise to the level of inspired Scripture. But guess what? Modern Hebrew Roots teachers are just as fallible and just as capable of making mistakes and being wrong. And just because Torah-observant Christians all agree with each other on this issue doesn’t mean they’re right."
Shalom, RLS
Yes, true Christians have given up their comforts and preferences, like pork eating to follow Christ, so the real question people have to ask themselves is, am I a true Christian?
Hallo Professor Solberg, I always like watching your videos even though I don’t always agree with your conclusions. I also like watching Rabbi Tovia Singer who I agree with much he says but also don’t agree with his conclusions. I believe you both are right on many issues and wrong at the same time. Anyway, let me respond to your video:
1. Corruption: we know that New Testament scriptures were corrupted. For example ancient manuscripts and writings of the church fathers do point towards the baptism being the major event that made Jesus the son of God and not the nativity stories. Also the gospel and Hebrews writers and Paul often misquote passages from the TeNaCh or take them out of context to make them confirm their theology.
2. Error: All the giants of faith throughout history were concerned with other issues mostly than to verify the New Testament against the Hebrew Scriptures
3. Conspiracy: who benefits? All Bishops and Christians who wanted the persecution to stop. Legalising Christianity in the Roman Empire was a big motivational factor to make it more Roman friendly and elevate the status of Jesus so he would be accepted worthy of following in a Hellenistic World. Compromises that the church might have deemed beneficial for the Christians in general. Like Christians today celebrate Easter and Christmas, compromising to not offend the world for no beneficiaries reason. And why not blame the Jews if it helps to stop Christian persecution. They were an easy scapegoat. And let’s make Pilate a saint.
The reasoning that we can’t be wrong for so long is very weak to me. In Jesus time the Pharisees were the mainstream religion and they were also wrong.
Following the law is making your life point to Jesus as the law was pointing to Jesus. Jesus saved us from sin so we set ourselves apart as a testimony.
The reason that since we already have Jesus so we don’t have our lives to point to Him (by living out Torah) is very selfish to me.
And the whole permitted but not required sounds like this world, not at all the character of Jesus
Another response to the "can't be wrong for so long" argument is that the error was already in existence at the first century. Yochanon wrote: "Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." (I Jn. 2:18-22)
If you ask an Xtian if they deny the Father and Son, they will, most assuredly say, "NO." The problem with this is that the word "deny" also means to CONTRADICT. Their tune changes when you ask them if they contradict the Father and Son. They deny / contradict the Messiah, who is the embodiment of the Torah. The Torah came from the Father.
Now, getting to the meat of their opinion, we can see that a little error in the beginning results in greater errors later down the line. The "early church" was anti-Semitic due to the rule of Rome. That can be easily seen with just a bit of research.
If we take Yochanon's thought about many "anti-christs," then we can understand that many errors were creeping in when he wrote his letters. Some errors were EGREGIOUS and easily recognized. Many were simply lies that flew under the radar, so to say, for a time.
Aristotle wrote: "...a little error in the beginning leads to a great one in the end." (Imagine a graph with an arc, showing a slight deviation at the beginning, but over time the arc continues to grow.) Aristotle's phrase encapsulates the answer to the "can't be wrong for so long" argument. They (Xtians) are and have been wrong for millennia. Their error really took off with the early "church fathers," but that's another argument.
Rob, they are not going to abandon their errors. They are committed, especially given the element of human pride. Works-based salvation hinges exclusively on human pride for efforts. Nobody likes admitting that they were so very wrong in their theology. The exhaustive and pathetic excuses they offer for their lack of a temple as the reason for their lack in obedience when they could have long ago constructed a tent tabernacle to continue the blood sacrifices as the Law demanded, they have no excuse for their hypocrisies. I'm not trying to be ungracious here, but there comes a time when the gauntlet must be cast down to show where the error lies. The discretization of Paul as a legitimate apostle is so very laughable, given Acts 15. They would have to build a case that the counsel of apostles was far too corrupt for them to have willingly given audience to Paul.
@ShiaDiscourse And where is that stated in scripture? I don't recall any command anywhere that the tent tabernacle was never to be revived again, other than it being David himself who quipped that it wasn't right in his own eyes that he dwell in a palace while the Lord's earthly presence be in a tent. What you're saying seems to make for a very convenient slight-of-hand excuse for justifying the hypocrisy of the Judaizers.
1 Chronicles 28:2 Then David the king stood up upon his feet, and said, Hear me, my brethren, and my people: [As for me], I [had] in mine heart to build an house of rest for the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and for the footstool of our God, and had made ready for the building:
I hear you! But I believe I am called to play the long game. As mother Theresa famously said "God has not called me to be successful; He has called me to be faithful." I am no Mother Theresa, to be sure! But I will continue to teach the Biblical truth (as best I can as a flawed and limited man), and keep praying for those caught up in spiritual slavery, and trust God with the results.
Shalom! Rob
@ShiaDiscourse Whatever your name is, it is YOU who needs to learn history! David is the one who collected the majority of the building materials for that temple that Solomon built due to the blood on the hands of David from all his unauthorized killing sprees. It is DAVID who made the decision for that temple to be built. As an Israeli, I know good and well what the TRUTH of the matter is! I have grave doubts that your arm-chair scholarship will ever save face for you on this mix-up of yours!
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4:20 we are not under the new covenant. It's for Israel.
Jeremiah 31:31 (KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 (KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Certainly Christians are not fulfilling this.
This presentation is filled with the Straw Man fallacy. He exaggerates and misrepresents the logic behind living by the Creator's Instruction. King David says the Torah is a delight. If you think that it is an unbearable burden, you're doing it wrong.
Hi, Joel! A "strawman argument" is when you exaggerate, misrepresent, or completely fabricate someone else's position. I am far from perfect, but this is something I try hard to avoid in my work. Can you give me an example from this video where I exaggerated, misrepresented, or fabricated the position of Torahism/Hebrew Roots? Because I want to publicly correct myself if that is the case.
Thanks! Rob