Hey OFFRD - thank you very much for this video update. We just purchased a new 2019 JL, my wife drove 300 miles to meet me, long story short she had the exact same issues you described. I took it to the dealer today and he said the computer would not let him flash my vehicle with no defaults or recalls. Do you have any info from your dealer I could take to mine? We appreciate your help!
This works but it seems as though the service department at the dealerships are not aware of this being the solution I had to memorize what you said in the video and tell them that Word for Word because if I hadn’t said anything about the BCM or getting a new configuration downloaded they were going to send me home with the car and tell me nothings wrong. So glad I found this video before I dropped the car off for service
This is interesting. We drove a 2019 2 door Sport S. a few days ago. I could feel it as I was accelerating from pulling out of the dealer. Came back and and the salesmen seemed surprised and said I should drive a 4 door. The 4 door wasn't as bad as the 2 door but it wasn't good. I went to the dealer to buy a Jeep and left disappointed. The 2 door had 25 miles on it and the 4 door had 70 miles.
For all those wondering... There is a service bulletin from FCA issued July 7th, 2018 on this. I have done my best to transcribe all relevant information. I have had several Jeep Wranglers, a YJ, TJ, 2 JKs and now this JL, and its the worst driving Jeep on the highway I have owned because of this steering issue. I am having the computer in my 2018 JEEP JLU Sahara flashed this coming Friday at my dealership so hopefully this fixes this issue. See below. NUMBER 08-092018 GROUP: 08- Electrical DATE: July 7,2018 SUBJECT: Low Steering Assist at Highway Speeds. OVERVIEW: This bulletin involves using wiTECH 2 to perform a Restore Vehicle Configuration routine. The reconfiguration will update the Eplectro-Hydraulic Power Steering (EHPS) calibrations. MODELS: 2018 (JL) Jeep Wrangler NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built within the following markets/countries: NAFTA NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built on or after October 30, 2017 (1030XX) and on or before May 08, 2018 (0508XX) equipped with Long Wheel Base (Sales Code 595) SYMPTOM/CONDITION: A customer may describe a high steering effort occurring only during colder ambient and system operating temperatures and at speeds above 96KPH (60MPH). At lower speeds or warmer system temperatures the steering assist will feel normal. DIAGNOSIS: Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in TechCONNECT, verify all related systems are functioning as desgined. If Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) or symptom conditions, other than the ones listed above are present, record the issues on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin. If the customer describes the symptom/condition listed above, perform the Repair Procedure. REPAIR PROCEDURE: 1. Using wiTECH 2, perform ""Restore Vehicle Configuration" routine. This routine can be found in Guided Diagnostics. Follow all screen prompts to complete this routine. 2. Clear any DTCs that may have been set in any module due to performing a Restore Vehicle Reconfiguration TIME ALLOWANCE: Labor Operation No. Description Skill Category Amount 18-19-02-DS Module, Body Control(BCM) - 6- Electrical and 0.2 Hrs. Restore Vehicle Configuration Body Systems (0 - Introduction)
Wow! This is great. I just test drove a 19 Ruby 4dr. It was all over the road. Drove another Sahara, don’t know the year, it was better. Went away thinking I would need a Gr Cherokee or Rebel. I drove a lot of Xjs and didn’t remember the wondering. Was thinking too much rack and pinion had crept into my life to revert back. Hummm. You have me thinking. Was the recalibration performed on inventory units?? Thanks for posting👍👍👍😎🇺🇸🇺🇸
Luckily they listen to you. I've been there three times and nothing has changed. The 2nd time I went they made it worse. Last week I was told, "There's nothing wrong with it. We drove it." Thank you for nothing, Service Man.
I had the same problem you need the long arm upgrade kit if lifting it caused your wander and upgraded control arms in general will solve the problem on standard height
Bro! Just bought my first Jeep. A 2022 gladiator. It’s doing the same thing. I’ve got 150 miles on it. Back to the dealer Monday. Overall, I’m loving it (except for the new monthly note).
This makes more sense to me than all these people making "adjustments" to their steering box and linkage. Almost everything on these vehicles (not just Jeep) is controlled by a computer anymore. I did, however, see that a couple of people discovered their tie rod ends were extremely loose, so I would definitely check those. Good video.
A coworker of mine had a 2016 JK his pulled hard to the right. After 3 trips to the dealership they called a rep. In and they found parts from a Cherokee on the right side. I was not surprised when I seen pictures of one with black fenders on one side and color match on the other
So yeah I just picked up my new JL this past Wednesday and noticed this with the steering on the way home. I've already got an appointment with the dealership this upcoming Monday to fix an issue with the dome light switch on the dash along with the radio turning off and back on randomly while the Jeep was running. But I'll make sure to ask about the PCM Flash while I'm there as well. Thanks for the update and advice.
joe lork Every turned out to be calibrated correctly when they looked at it. I’ll also accept that I was just not use to driving a Wrangler outside of a test drive. Now after a couple of weeks, I’m more use to it and don’t see the issue.
I noticed the same thing on mine, felt like I was constantly correcting the steering wheel. I thought it was just super sensitive but after having the recall completed it's felt better. Otherwise, I've been really lucky and no other issues here either.
I thought it was because I put on larger tires, and was looking at an aftermarket steering rack, not sure what the engine controller would have to do with the steering
I have a 18 jl 4 Dr and feels like some days it feels peppy and some days feels slower,I have the 3.6,butt also when I drive my JL feels very loose when I turn and drive it not tight to the road much.
Nice to know. We were looking at purchasing my wife a new Unlimited 4 door. We went on vacation last week, and returned today to Destin Florida, and found a 2019 Wrangler Sport Unlimited 4 door at Enterprise. It was the most miserable highway trip from Ohio, Florida, and back. My first vehicle was a 1955 Ford F100, in 1994. Even with the old brass worm gear, solid I beam front end, and no power steering...... It had less "play" in the wheel than the Jeep. At time of rental, the Jeep had 1,700 miles on it. My wife was so heartbroken because she just knew she would love it, and ended up not comfortable running 80+ on interstates. She drove in town once we arrived, but still was disgusted with the amount of effort and constant back and forth motion to keep it straight. This may give her hope yet..... If I decide to tell her, shhhhh ....... Lol.
How long before the aftermarket comes out with a mechanical powersteering pump for these JLs? I hope its not too long as electric steering will in the end lead to more problems.
We got the 2020 Jeep Rubicon, it wanders, has play in the steering. Took it back to the dealer to fix it, apparently “it’s a Jeep thang” and there’s nothing they can do for it.
Hi, I have my JL 2018 that's having a issue with the Service Electronic Stability Control. Did you ever have that problem with your jeep? And do you know how to fix that? I heard ppl said online that just fix the drag link to recenter the steering wheel. Is it right?
@@joelork5788 Dealer re-torqued lower ball joints, just a little bit better, still to much play though. Dealer said Rubicon's have no software flash updates ?
I’m experiencing the same issue with my Camaro. Purchased brand new and all of a sudden a year later it will not drive straight. Took it to the dealership and they cited that I needed an aliment. Got the car back and notice it drove no different than before the Alignment. Took it back 3 more times. Nothing is wrong according to them. They drive it around the block and bring it back. I get on the expressway and it’s all over the place. Took it back a 4 time now they are saying my car is Tramling? There’s no way to fix it, it’s just the way the car is made.Here I am a year later and the car still doesn’t track straight. They are now stating they have never heard of this issue and can’t help me. I’ve suspected a computer issue all along. Not sure why they refuse to find the real issue and fix my car.
I’m here at the dealer now about this and they said they’ve never heard of the issue and that the PCM wouldn’t cause this. They said if anything was the issue it would be the body control module. No freaking idea, I hate getting different answers from everyone here at the dealer. Drives me nuts.
I'd find a new dealer. NHTSA has logged over 60 complaints nationwide and FCA is well aware of this issue. Good luck. I know it can be frustrating finding a competent dealership.
OFFRD thanks for the advice. When I was talking to the service advisor he told me he hasn’t heard of a single case of steering issues with any of the JL models. PS. I also just got home and they fixed the recall issue and now my backup camera system isn’t working at all. Had no issues with that prior to this morning. Good grief.
Frustrating, isn't it? Hopefully you'll get the issues worked out soon. I really would try another dealership. We've got 3 dealers locally where I live, and ALL of them have different "personalities" so to speak. It's a different experience at each of them. Good luck.
Thanks for the info. Mine is doing exactly what you describe.... having to constantly correct the steering wheel to keep it going straight... I’ll see what my dealer says....
joe lork I told them I had read and heard about the problem and that flashing it would help They said OK and did it within an hour. It wasnt even the dealer where I bought it. It seems still a little loose until I drive a little ways. This seems to go with the theory that Jeep Informant has about the alum gear box getting hot and tightening up. I’m getting ready to head out for Ouray and Moab ( about 5000 mi trip) and I’ll know more about it after that.
@@mikem102 we did the trip and everything went well. Did several trails around Ouray including Imogene Pass then on to Moab where we did Fins and Things, Poison Spider and a couple of others. Steering was pretty good on good roads but still not so good on crappy roads. Since then I lifted the JL and added 37’s. This made steering sloppy again but Jeep replaced the aluminum steering box with a steel one which greatly improved the steering. We havent had the chance to get back to Moab but maybe this fall.
What was the dealer u took it to .I bought a 2011 un limited for my 15 yr old daughter for birthday not letting her drive til this is wandering issue is solved. have a appt this Wednesday to have flashed.just don't want a run around she want her jeep now
Not to be a smart Alec, but didn’t you notice the steering issue on the test drive before you bought it? I’m not a Jeep guy, but I drove one and it felt all over the road, I thought all Jeeps were like that and I didn’t buy it. (I still can’t stop looking at Jeeps though!)
Thanks for sharing this information. I brought my JL back to dealership. They informed me there was no PCM update for the steering. Can you please let me know where you had yours serviced. Thanks so much.
We are having the same exact problem. We called our dealership and they said to bring it back in. The service department told me that many are complaining about this same issue - those that have purchased JL's.
mine steering isn't that bad it's just if I let go of the steering wheel goes to the right and air pressure is right I have a lift on it with 37s it's Tire pull do you think that update on the steering box would help
Loose ball joints also seem to be a common complaint. Baffling how these vehicles can leave the factory with the ball joint nuts on no tighter than hand tight!
The spec on the lower ball joints is 15 ft/lbs initial and 35 final. That's easy to achieve with a small ratchet. So, they aren't supposed to be cranked down hard. There is a cotter pin to maintain torque spec on them though.
I have this exact problem thanks, Of course the dealer said oh there is nothing wrong, Do you have the flash code or number I can verify with my service manager
Confused. So you took the vehicle to the dealer to have the U62 flash performed and they ALSO flashed the PCM? How did they know to flash the PCM separately? Did you tell them about the steering problem and that was their recommendation? Or do they automatically flash the PCM during the U62 recall repair?
Yes, the U62 recall calls for flashing the PCM. It just so happens that the PCM controls lots of other things too, one being the electronic steering. After they flashed my JL the steering is now cured too. Call it a nice side effect! :)
My wife just purchased a 2019 Jeep Wrangler JL about two weeks ago and it has started the death wobble at normal highway speeds, the Jeep dealership says that it is nothing wrong with the Jeep and that there is nothing they can do for us. Short of hiring a lawyer we love our Jeep and just want it fixed.
Stacy Johnson For sure not normal. I have a 2019 JL that I purchased with nearly 8k miles and have had none of these issues. I would for sure do whatever you can to make them fix the issue.
So changing the tire pressure from 47 to 35 is a waste of time ? Or finding 4 loose ball joints ? Dealer even found JL’s on the lot with the above issues. The TSB address some of the issue but there is much more adding to the “loose steering issue”. Rumored the steering boxes on later JL built after April ish were built looser due to the prior being built too tight. The “waste of time” part i didn’t like. I can almost guarantee you still have a 1/4 dead spot in your steering. Go test drive a JK and you will see.
For fixing a steering issue? Yes, utter waste of time. Excessive tire pressure can cause poor tire wear, increase fuel economy, decrease ride quality, etc. But it won't make a vehicle dart right and left repeatedly. Loose ball joints? The spec is 35 ft/lbs on the bottom ball joint. They are not supposed to be as tight as you can get them. Snug with a regular ratchet is all, and then the cotter pin for security. Too many people assume the ball joints are loose because they can turn them. As far as the steering box goes...slightly tight would be best because of course it will wear in over time. The steering box was never actually the problem, at least not on the majority of these Jeeps. I'm sure some guys had exceptions, since they sell 30,000 of these each month.
Called another dealership and they knew exactly what I was taking about. They are going to flash the PCM next week. Hopefully it fixes my steering issue.
I finally got my dealership to flash the PCM. It took a LOT of arguing to get it done. It is unbelievable what a difference it made. I still can't believe it. Too bad jeep is making it so difficult. Thank you so much for the video. I would have still been sorry I bought the Jeep. @@4-LOW
The steering damper has nothing to do with it. You can run with NO steering damper and it'll drive fine. FCA is using the steering damper as a cheap excuse for an expensive problem.
I test drove a wrangler for the first time and walked away because the steering was horrible. Good idea but how can they sell new keeps that drive so bad? Makes me think no one cares about quality at jeep or the dealerships. The salesman said that it’s normal!
It's a first model year vehicle. All first model year vehicles have bugs to work out, especially FCA vehicles. I'm not too worried about it at this point. They're proactively working on fixes under warranty. No biggie.
@@Orion33759 when someone end up killing himself driving at 60 miles per hour with a lose steering wheel come tell me it was a success. You cant even drive the thing it on a major highway.
MEL LEV I’ve driven several on a major highway. No issues. Pretty sure the entire fleet would be halted if all JL’s were lemons... Don’t you think there are a few regulations in America to prevent unsafe vehicles and a company’s reputation is at stake?
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PCM? BCM? I dunno... but they flashed the vehicle and it's still working perfectly almost a year later. ;)
Hey OFFRD - thank you very much for this video update. We just purchased a new 2019 JL, my wife drove 300 miles to meet me, long story short she had the exact same issues you described. I took it to the dealer today and he said the computer would not let him flash my vehicle with no defaults or recalls. Do you have any info from your dealer I could take to mine? We appreciate your help!
Looking for the same info!
I am having the same issue. Dealer won't flash it. Can it be done somewhere else?
Dealer will not Re flash mine as well. Who did you take your Jeep to ?
It is a BCM reconfiguration (technically not an update). There are also some ground contacts that may have poor connection if you have low assist.
This works but it seems as though the service department at the dealerships are not aware of this being the solution I had to memorize what you said in the video and tell them that Word for Word because if I hadn’t said anything about the BCM or getting a new configuration downloaded they were going to send me home with the car and tell me nothings wrong. So glad I found this video before I dropped the car off for service
Thanks for this! I am picking up my new JL tomorrow.
I’m in Maui driving a 2019 JL and my lord the steering is wearing me out! It’s like driving my 67 Mustang!!
Will check out your tip. Thanks
This is interesting. We drove a 2019 2 door Sport S. a few days ago. I could feel it as I was accelerating from pulling out of the dealer. Came back and and the salesmen seemed surprised and said I should drive a 4 door. The 4 door wasn't as bad as the 2 door but it wasn't good. I went to the dealer to buy a Jeep and left disappointed. The 2 door had 25 miles on it and the 4 door had 70 miles.
For all those wondering... There is a service bulletin from FCA issued July 7th, 2018 on this. I have done my best to transcribe all relevant information. I have had several Jeep Wranglers, a YJ, TJ, 2 JKs and now this JL, and its the worst driving Jeep on the highway I have owned because of this steering issue. I am having the computer in my 2018 JEEP JLU Sahara flashed this coming Friday at my dealership so hopefully this fixes this issue. See below.
NUMBER 08-092018
GROUP: 08- Electrical
DATE: July 7,2018
SUBJECT:
Low Steering Assist at Highway Speeds.
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves using wiTECH 2 to perform a Restore Vehicle Configuration routine. The reconfiguration will update the Eplectro-Hydraulic Power Steering (EHPS) calibrations.
MODELS:
2018 (JL) Jeep Wrangler
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built within the following markets/countries: NAFTA
NOTE: This bulletin applies to vehicles built on or after October 30, 2017 (1030XX) and on or before May 08, 2018 (0508XX) equipped with Long Wheel Base (Sales Code 595)
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
A customer may describe a high steering effort occurring only during colder ambient and system operating temperatures and at speeds above 96KPH (60MPH). At lower speeds or warmer system temperatures the steering assist will feel normal.
DIAGNOSIS:
Using a Scan Tool (wiTECH) with the appropriate Diagnostic Procedures available in TechCONNECT, verify all related systems are functioning as desgined. If Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) or symptom conditions, other than the ones listed above are present, record the issues on the repair order and repair as necessary before proceeding further with this bulletin.
If the customer describes the symptom/condition listed above, perform the Repair Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
1. Using wiTECH 2, perform ""Restore Vehicle Configuration" routine. This routine can be found in Guided Diagnostics. Follow all screen prompts to complete this routine.
2. Clear any DTCs that may have been set in any module due to performing a Restore Vehicle Reconfiguration
TIME ALLOWANCE:
Labor Operation No. Description Skill Category Amount
18-19-02-DS Module, Body Control(BCM) - 6- Electrical and 0.2 Hrs.
Restore Vehicle Configuration Body Systems
(0 - Introduction)
Drew Voss did applying the tsb fix your problem? In my case it improved the steering by ~50% but the dead zone is still there..
Wow! This is great. I just test drove a 19 Ruby 4dr. It was all over the road. Drove another Sahara, don’t know the year, it was better. Went away thinking I would need a Gr Cherokee or Rebel. I drove a lot of Xjs and didn’t remember the wondering. Was thinking too much rack and pinion had crept into my life to revert back. Hummm. You have me thinking. Was the recalibration performed on inventory units?? Thanks for posting👍👍👍😎🇺🇸🇺🇸
I need to have this done , Thanks !
Luckily they listen to you. I've been there three times and nothing has changed. The 2nd time I went they made it worse. Last week I was told, "There's nothing wrong with it. We drove it." Thank you for nothing, Service Man.
I had the same problem you need the long arm upgrade kit if lifting it caused your wander and upgraded control arms in general will solve the problem on standard height
Bro! Just bought my first Jeep. A 2022 gladiator. It’s doing the same thing. I’ve got 150 miles on it. Back to the dealer Monday. Overall, I’m loving it (except for the new monthly note).
This makes more sense to me than all these people making "adjustments" to their steering box and linkage. Almost everything on these vehicles (not just Jeep) is controlled by a computer anymore. I did, however, see that a couple of people discovered their tie rod ends were extremely loose, so I would definitely check those. Good video.
I recently test drove a Jeep Wrangler and it had that wandering issue. It kind of put me off from buying one but good to know there's a fix for it.
I hope you are right man, I cant stand it! thanks a ton for putting that out there ! Ill make an appointment pronto ! thanks again !
Did it work?
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A coworker of mine had a 2016 JK his pulled hard to the right. After 3 trips to the dealership they called a rep. In and they found parts from a Cherokee on the right side. I was not surprised when I seen pictures of one with black fenders on one side and color match on the other
Great video I've noticed the same issue
So yeah I just picked up my new JL this past Wednesday and noticed this with the steering on the way home. I've already got an appointment with the dealership this upcoming Monday to fix an issue with the dome light switch on the dash along with the radio turning off and back on randomly while the Jeep was running. But I'll make sure to ask about the PCM Flash while I'm there as well. Thanks for the update and advice.
Jeff Davis Vlogs what did the dealer say
joe lork Every turned out to be calibrated correctly when they looked at it. I’ll also accept that I was just not use to driving a Wrangler outside of a test drive. Now after a couple of weeks, I’m more use to it and don’t see the issue.
Good info. Thanks.
I noticed the same thing on mine, felt like I was constantly correcting the steering wheel. I thought it was just super sensitive but after having the recall completed it's felt better. Otherwise, I've been really lucky and no other issues here either.
I thought it was because I put on larger tires, and was looking at an aftermarket steering rack, not sure what the engine controller would have to do with the steering
GREAT VIDEO 👍
Wow, thanks man. Crossing my fingers
Great information do you think it applies to JK wranglers I have a steering wandering issue as well
Has this helped, or have you heard if this helps to fix the death wobble problem?
Thank you
I have a 18 jl 4 Dr and feels like some days it feels peppy and some days feels slower,I have the 3.6,butt also when I drive my JL feels very loose when I turn and drive it not tight to the road much.
Nice to know. We were looking at purchasing my wife a new Unlimited 4 door. We went on vacation last week, and returned today to Destin Florida, and found a 2019 Wrangler Sport Unlimited 4 door at Enterprise. It was the most miserable highway trip from Ohio, Florida, and back. My first vehicle was a 1955 Ford F100, in 1994. Even with the old brass worm gear, solid I beam front end, and no power steering...... It had less "play" in the wheel than the Jeep. At time of rental, the Jeep had 1,700 miles on it. My wife was so heartbroken because she just knew she would love it, and ended up not comfortable running 80+ on interstates. She drove in town once we arrived, but still was disgusted with the amount of effort and constant back and forth motion to keep it straight. This may give her hope yet..... If I decide to tell her, shhhhh ....... Lol.
How long before the aftermarket comes out with a mechanical powersteering pump for these JLs? I hope its not too long as electric steering will in the end lead to more problems.
We got the 2020 Jeep Rubicon, it wanders, has play in the steering. Took it back to the dealer to fix it, apparently “it’s a Jeep thang” and there’s nothing they can do for it.
but do you have a lift and 35 or 37s tires ?
Hi, I have my JL 2018 that's having a issue with the Service Electronic Stability Control. Did you ever have that problem with your jeep? And do you know how to fix that? I heard ppl said online that just fix the drag link to recenter the steering wheel. Is it right?
I wonder if the same applies to the JK? Hmmm
I got jl. And I got noise. On the powersteering. It seem like it was running out oil. Only when I park
Thanks, ours does the same thing. Going back to the dealer Wed.
Tina Parker did it fix anything
@@joelork5788 Dealer re-torqued lower ball joints, just a little bit better, still to much play though. Dealer said Rubicon's have no software flash updates ?
I have no problem with mine, drives and runs good
Do you have a 2 door or 4 door?
Having this right now with JKU
I’m experiencing the same issue with my Camaro. Purchased brand new and all of a sudden a year later it will not drive straight. Took it to the dealership and they cited that I needed an aliment. Got the car back and notice it drove no different than before the Alignment. Took it back 3 more times. Nothing is wrong according to them. They drive it around the block and bring it back. I get on the expressway and it’s all over the place. Took it back a 4 time now they are saying my car is Tramling? There’s no way to fix it, it’s just the way the car is made.Here I am a year later and the car still doesn’t track straight. They are now stating they have never heard of this issue and can’t help me. I’ve suspected a computer issue all along. Not sure why they refuse to find the real issue and fix my car.
They now have an updated steering box. The aluminum gears were wearing out. Go figure. Check here on You Tube, great results reported.
I’m here at the dealer now about this and they said they’ve never heard of the issue and that the PCM wouldn’t cause this. They said if anything was the issue it would be the body control module. No freaking idea, I hate getting different answers from everyone here at the dealer. Drives me nuts.
I'd find a new dealer. NHTSA has logged over 60 complaints nationwide and FCA is well aware of this issue. Good luck. I know it can be frustrating finding a competent dealership.
OFFRD thanks for the advice. When I was talking to the service advisor he told me he hasn’t heard of a single case of steering issues with any of the JL models. PS. I also just got home and they fixed the recall issue and now my backup camera system isn’t working at all. Had no issues with that prior to this morning. Good grief.
Frustrating, isn't it? Hopefully you'll get the issues worked out soon. I really would try another dealership. We've got 3 dealers locally where I live, and ALL of them have different "personalities" so to speak. It's a different experience at each of them. Good luck.
Havin this issue with my 2011 JK. Freaking mess!
Thanks for the info. Mine is doing exactly what you describe.... having to constantly correct the steering wheel to keep it going straight... I’ll see what my dealer says....
Mike Robbins what did the dealer say
joe lork I told them I had read and heard about the problem and that flashing it would help They said OK and did it within an hour. It wasnt even the dealer where I bought it. It seems still a little loose until I drive a little ways. This seems to go with the theory that Jeep Informant has about the alum gear box getting hot and tightening up. I’m getting ready to head out for Ouray and Moab ( about 5000 mi trip) and I’ll know more about it after that.
@@mikerobbins5049 Done with your Trip yet? Been patiently waiting for the results lol
@@mikem102 we did the trip and everything went well. Did several trails around Ouray including Imogene Pass then on to Moab where we did Fins and Things, Poison Spider and a couple of others. Steering was pretty good on good roads but still not so good on crappy roads. Since then I lifted the JL and added 37’s. This made steering sloppy again but Jeep replaced the aluminum steering box with a steel one which greatly improved the steering. We havent had the chance to get back to Moab but maybe this fall.
A shame you have to have problems like that on any vehicle,never mind one that costs $45k plus.
How much does that run @ the dealership?.
What was the dealer u took it to .I bought a 2011 un limited for my 15 yr old daughter for birthday not letting her drive til this is wandering issue is solved. have a appt this Wednesday to have flashed.just don't want a run around she want her jeep now
Not to be a smart Alec, but didn’t you notice the steering issue on the test drive before you bought it? I’m not a Jeep guy, but I drove one and it felt all over the road, I thought all Jeeps were like that and I didn’t buy it. (I still can’t stop looking at Jeeps though!)
What type of jeep and what year was it?
2018 JL Sport
Thanks for sharing this information. I brought my JL back to dealership. They informed me there was no PCM update for the steering. Can you please let me know where you had yours serviced. Thanks so much.
It isn't an update. You have to insist they re-flash the PCM. It's just a reinstall of the same software. It worked for me.
We are having the same exact problem. We called our dealership and they said to bring it back in. The service department told me that many are complaining about this same issue - those that have purchased JL's.
mine steering isn't that bad it's just if I let go of the steering wheel goes to the right and air pressure is right I have a lift on it with 37s it's Tire pull do you think that update on the steering box would help
I'm close to this same set up and having the same issue , I'm always having to correct while on the high way
Loose ball joints also seem to be a common complaint. Baffling how these vehicles can leave the factory with the ball joint nuts on no tighter than hand tight!
The spec on the lower ball joints is 15 ft/lbs initial and 35 final. That's easy to achieve with a small ratchet. So, they aren't supposed to be cranked down hard. There is a cotter pin to maintain torque spec on them though.
Could this be the case for my 2011 2door? I have the same issues
I have this exact problem thanks, Of course the dealer said oh there is nothing wrong, Do you have the flash code or number I can verify with my service manager
I have a JL Rubi with the mopar 2 inch lift and 37 inch tires, will the programing they did on your jeep help mine?
It should help regardless of tire size.
@Nutterbutter did you get this fixed? I just picked up my 19 and same issue
Just had my mopar lift installed and it drives like stir fried shit with 33’s I ordered the front and rear trac bar brackets to see if that helps
brooklynmonster730 any luck?
Confused. So you took the vehicle to the dealer to have the U62 flash performed and they ALSO flashed the PCM? How did they know to flash the PCM separately? Did you tell them about the steering problem and that was their recommendation? Or do they automatically flash the PCM during the U62 recall repair?
Yes, the U62 recall calls for flashing the PCM. It just so happens that the PCM controls lots of other things too, one being the electronic steering. After they flashed my JL the steering is now cured too. Call it a nice side effect! :)
PERFECT!!!
Did it work for you also?
I had the U62 recall performed and I'm not seeing a huge improvement.
My service manager wants to talk with yours. Can you post name and contact number?
My wife just purchased a 2019 Jeep Wrangler JL about two weeks ago and it has started the death wobble at normal highway speeds, the Jeep dealership says that it is nothing wrong with the Jeep and that there is nothing they can do for us. Short of hiring a lawyer we love our Jeep and just want it fixed.
Stacy Johnson For sure not normal. I have a 2019 JL that I purchased with nearly 8k miles and have had none of these issues. I would for sure do whatever you can to make them fix the issue.
Did yours pull to the right at all?
Nope. Just wandered all over the highway. Made me look like I was drunk. Lol.
nawalker2 mine pulls to the right and drive me nuts, dealership says nothing is wrong with my alignment. Have you resolved your stirring?
Flash engine controller to fix steering issue... I think you misunderstood your dealer
So changing the tire pressure from 47 to 35 is a waste of time ? Or finding 4 loose ball joints ? Dealer even found JL’s on the lot with the above issues. The TSB address some of the issue but there is much more adding to the “loose steering issue”. Rumored the steering boxes on later JL built after April ish were built looser due to the prior being built too tight. The “waste of time” part i didn’t like. I can almost guarantee you still have a 1/4 dead spot in your steering. Go test drive a JK and you will see.
For fixing a steering issue? Yes, utter waste of time. Excessive tire pressure can cause poor tire wear, increase fuel economy, decrease ride quality, etc. But it won't make a vehicle dart right and left repeatedly. Loose ball joints? The spec is 35 ft/lbs on the bottom ball joint. They are not supposed to be as tight as you can get them. Snug with a regular ratchet is all, and then the cotter pin for security. Too many people assume the ball joints are loose because they can turn them. As far as the steering box goes...slightly tight would be best because of course it will wear in over time. The steering box was never actually the problem, at least not on the majority of these Jeeps. I'm sure some guys had exceptions, since they sell 30,000 of these each month.
I took mine to the dealership and they told me there was no way to "flash" the PCM. I was confused! Am I missing something? I hate this steering.
I wish I knew more. My technician flashed mine and updated the "vehicle calibrations". It has steered like it should ever since. Good luck.
Called another dealership and they knew exactly what I was taking about. They are going to flash the PCM next week. Hopefully it fixes my steering issue.
I finally got my dealership to flash the PCM. It took a LOT of arguing to get it done. It is unbelievable what a difference it made. I still can't believe it. Too bad jeep is making it so difficult. Thank you so much for the video. I would have still been sorry I bought the Jeep. @@4-LOW
@@4-LOW Do you have the 2" mopar lift or stock?
No one is mentioning how much the dealership charges
My 4xe doesn't wander @2200 miles
no flash will fix this problem, it has a recall for the steering damper, THAT WILL FIX THE PROBLEM
The steering damper has nothing to do with it. You can run with NO steering damper and it'll drive fine. FCA is using the steering damper as a cheap excuse for an expensive problem.
I test drove a wrangler for the first time and walked away because the steering was horrible. Good idea but how can they sell new keeps that drive so bad? Makes me think no one cares about quality at jeep or the dealerships. The salesman said that it’s normal!
My 2021 Rubi unlimited steering sucks
The warranty is practically worthless. Dealer doesn’t want to fix shit!!!
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FLASHING THE PCM, YOU NEED TO GET THE RECALL DONE AT THE DEALER AND THEY WILL REPLACE THE STEERING DAMPER
People who bitch about the a/c noise never owned a jk..
Man you couldn’t turn of the ac for the video
JL came out a couple months ago and it's full of recalls. Seem like this JL is going to be a Jeep Lemon
MEL LEV only one recall. Calm yourself.
It's a first model year vehicle. All first model year vehicles have bugs to work out, especially FCA vehicles. I'm not too worried about it at this point. They're proactively working on fixes under warranty. No biggie.
For a COMPLETE redesign, from ground up, it’s been quite a success
@@Orion33759 when someone end up killing himself driving at 60 miles per hour with a lose steering wheel come tell me it was a success. You cant even drive the thing it on a major highway.
MEL LEV I’ve driven several on a major highway. No issues. Pretty sure the entire fleet would be halted if all JL’s were lemons... Don’t you think there are a few regulations in America to prevent unsafe vehicles and a company’s reputation is at stake?
Just turn off the AC man, barely can hear you
Crappy car maybe not a crappy car a crappy manufacture pushing cars out so fast there unsafe and not well built
That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard, electronics have no effect on steering lmao
This is not the 1950s steering is controlled electronically now lol for the dumbest comment ever😂