You really can learn the 3B's of college (beer, botany and beowulf) at your local library and bar. You don't need to spend 125K to do that. You don't even need Professor Plum for those.
Education is important but it’s not the only path to success. To all those who didn’t attend college remember that your determination, hard work, and passion will take you far!
If I had kids in highschool and they want to become plumbers or carpenter and has the physical hard working mindset, then I fully support them to go trade school.
My babiest sister, she’s thirty now. She did four years of college. Then after a gap year she did graduate school, all at Fordham University…she’s still underemployed.
If you're not going into fields such as education, business, technology, medicine, or finance, you've wasted your time and money because all other degrees are useless.
What did they do in their field before graduating? Internships? Co-ops? The key here is NOT to be fresh in their field after the graduate: they should have been past entry level by then. It's a competitive market out there and they got to do whatever they need to do to stand out
i went to a 4 year university, i would highly recommend for students to not rush and try to graduate as soon as you can. Instead go for internships, co-ops, volunteer to gain experience in their field of study. i was so set on graduating in 4 years, that instead of taking internships over the summers, i would take summer classes, then i graduated and applied for "entry level jobs" and i had no experience in the field. All employers were like ok, you need 1-2 years experience along with your degree...
@akui88 it's easier while you're in school but I wonder if there's internship opportunities for graduates that might've missed out on them. A lot of people hate it but if there were any point a diversity hire position would be useful, I'd imagine it's that. Folks that had to finish college ASAP to avoid incurring excessive debt and come from underprivileged backgrounds. Obviously aptitude should be looked at as well but there's a lot of internships and experience poor students have to miss out on due to external factors that companies might be overlooking.
@@Wongseifu548 You don't make tall money for a number of years. It takes four years just to complete your apprenticeship to get your actual license. Anyone who thinks they're going to make bank after a few months in a trade school is delusional.
@@scotthearts9634 For example, community college would be more affordable than a University. College students can also get scholarship money and they can also work while they go to college to pay for it and take out loans on their own. It is not the parents responsibility to pay for college, it is the college students responsibility.
It's so crazy how Dragon Ball and Toonami generation got screwed over. TH-cam launched in 2005 when I was in high school. None of the kids back then knew youtube and social media platforms would become websites where kids could make thousands and millions of dollars.
I've noticed a common thread with the people telling kids to forget college and go into the trades: They are virtually all college boys themselves who wouldn't be caught dead doing manual labor. If we get massive new waves of people into the trades, guess what's going to happen? Wages will go down, down, down. It will be the new fast food job. In a lot of areas, the trades already make dirt wages with zero job security and few if any benefits. If you're in a good union state, it can be good money, but it can take many years to get to that point, and a physical job that seems great at age 22 becomes a whole lot less fun at 52. Most guys I've ever known in the trades were functionally crippled by the time they were 60. Shot hips, knees, shoulders. You'd think they were 87 if you saw them trying to get around.
I joined the service, went to A AND C school. Got out with my VA loan status. Used my military experience to land a good job and bought my house. I never set foot in college and made 150k last year. FACTS
My child was going to go to college and major in forensic science/criminology and decided in her senior year to go to a community college to become a welder. With the high cost of tuition at a 4 year university, she thought going to a community college and working part time is more realistic. She will graduate with a specific skill and if she decides to change her career, she can take college courses online and pay for it herself while working as a welder (her current goal).
We need welders in the US. The old machines that no longer can order parts needs a skilled tradesmen to make parts. You do need to have a good aptitude for mathematics.
I got a feeling that WRX is modded. Red horn swaps are common on those lol. As far as trade schools go, it's not bad gen z is choosing to go that route but they have to understand that what they're trading for student debt is hard labor, long hours, and a heavy stigma. Coming from a family that's worked in trades, there's a lot good about them but you have to understand the downsides too.
Best trade to get into is Commercial Electrician for pay, quality of workplace, and business startup opportunities, but to be honest most trades are good.
They need to be careful which trade school they pick, some will charge you a lot for those few years in school. I went through a medical assistant program back in 2013 and was charged as much as a regular 4 year bachelor degree 🤦🏻♀️ I was very naive back then, so it's my fault I know, but beware.
Getting a degree, does not guarantee a job or career. Since 2021, 20% of all college graduates never get a job in their field and eventually have to go into the workforce or go back to school for a different career path. Skills is experience. Better to get a career going at 18 than waiting out your 20's hoping you made the right choice, deciding to go back to school because of unforeseen difficulties; while the trade schooler buys a house, is years set on a career and capping off debt left, right and center. A piece of paper on the wall never defines you. Its what you do with yourself.
Just a tidbit. Plumbers make more than most college graduate degrees. Dentists make even more. Don't get me started on landscapers. The work might not be as desirable but the pay is better and it's more of a sure bet. It's also not likely to be replaced by AI.
Not quite true, there's a prototype robot that runs on ChatGPT that was shown to wash dishes without programmed instructions. It also handed someone an apple when they said they were hungry. It's coming close to the time that no job may be safe from AI.
@@Gyvie-marie Washing dishes is something that can be automated without AI. There's dishwashers that were created in the 80's that can do that. Going into someone's house and retooling and rerouting their plumbing lines and accessing what the cause of a leak is and digging out dirt is different than what you're saying. Handing an apple is not the same as this.
@@shipwreck8847 It was doing by hand, a humanoid robot. They're gearing to make it so that it can solve a problem by word instructions. If you say you are hungry, it solves the problem without prompting and hands you a fruit. There are dirty dishes, solves the problem by washing them. If there are books or online instructions on how to do something it can learn it. That is the ultimate goal.
I made a million dollars landscaping from 2002 to 2010 in my 20s. now i fix lawnmowers for $160 an hour. the saying about on average college grads make a million more in their life is misleading cause 25% make several million more as doctors, bankers, traders, dentists, business owners. the rest dont make any more with the degree or barely enough more to pay the $100k tuition loans and interest. So be sure you can afford to gamble and know what you will be doing and making after college if you go.
Yeah went to community college then held healthcare job for 20 years making more what new nurses are making…now in my 40s finishing up bachelors online knowing I’m done with healthcare into different career path plans no need traditional college path cause you don’t don’t know what you want to be which becomes factor.
You should feel proud to have academic foundations. Scientific framework, and understanding of social/industrial standards place you far ahead of all who oppose academic authority.
My Dad always said a trade school was best! I chose a simple 2 year technical school, got hired immediately out of college and retired 10 years ago after a great 25 year career. Not sure that’s even possible these days so I feel LUCKY 🍀
Honestly, for engineers (and especially for people going into industry), it should almost be a requirement to have a certificate in a trade. Auto repair for mechanical engineers going into auto industry or A&P certification for engineers going into aerospace for example.
Good, because labor is actually quite pricey right now. Plumbing, electricians, carpentry, etc. are all vital jobs that keep our infrastructure intact.
College is a waste of time and money. I wasted ten years going to school and graduated in 2018. Most of the top and most talented artists in film and animation industry are self taught or they had mentors. They didn't even go to school for it. Also, kids are making so much money on social media platforms, it's ridiculous. Especially the females who are given websites such as OnlySimps. They make thousands or millions now.
Yeah, but how much are those women going to be making on those sites when they're 47? And how many people who go to Hollywood with big dreams ever see them realized? That town and industry chews up and spits out a thousand young dreamers for every one it elevates to success.
those women don't make millions. very few make a living. But yes hollowood does not care about our creative degrees. If only parents listened to that advice decades ago many people could have avoided this debt trap. For a fraction of the cost of college one could fly out to LA, get a cheap apt for awhile and try to get in the business. I say could, because today thats no longer possible. You MUST have a letter proving 3x the rent in stable income even to rent a room in any major city.
Do an online bachelors degree while working a job that you wouldn’t be able to do if you were going traditional grounded campus. Hopefully you will also find a company that pays for a huge part of the tuition. If students did this they would be fine.
I very much support people who go to trade school, since it's an easy and convenient decision for people with different situations. However, as an example for myself, I would preferably go for a college that gives either an associate's degree or even a bachelor's degree, since hands-on skills are completely not my forte.
the saying about on average college grads make a million more in their life is misleading cause 25% make several million more as doctors, bankers, traders, dentists, business owners. the rest dont make any more with the degree or barely enough more to pay the $100k tuition loans and interest. So be sure you can afford to gamble and know what you will be doing and making after college if you go.
Your comment is misleading. Not all tradesmen will own their own business and doctors, lawyers, and dentists who own their own practices can make over a million dollars per years. I knew a surgeon that built his own practice who then invested $40M into a hospital. I've never heard of plumbers having businesses worth that kind of money
@Eric-xh9ee maybe not plumbers but America's largest landscape company did $2.7 billion last year. And yes that's what I was saying. 1 doctor making $1 million a year and 19 other college grads making min wage and can't afford to pay their college loans averages out to a million dollars more in their life. Even though 19 out of 20 didn't make more.
@@SgtJoeSmithyeah.. ur completely right. they pull these statistics out of their ass and dont take everything into account. i feel like they do it just to increase their word counts and seem more interesting to watch
@@dylanssssss They need to redo stats. How many actually make more with college. How many make enough more to pay for college and how many made more but was a wash cause college costs. and how many didnt graduate and got stuck in debt. Also those that go to college are usually smarter and more motivated and dont quit over little things and probably wouldve made the same without college unless their field like doctor or lawyer required college. Something else they dont tell you is 40% of americans that work, work for a drop out. Either HS or college. Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle, Virgin (records/airlines/mobile), Dell computers, Ford, Disney, Google, Twitter, Zara, Whatsapp. All started by drop outs. To name a few. Almost sounds like dropping out is better than going to college.
4 year degree is a good option if you want to do things like IT, business, nursing etc. But trade school are good if you want to do construction, pluming etc. you don’t need a degree to do labor jobs. You still have to come out of a program to gain a career it just doesn’t come to you directly. College is still a good value.
I’d say join the army, national guard, marines even though we’ve heard bad things about it but whatever it takes to avoid being put in minimum wage after graduating.
If someone is qualified, I recommend at least 4 years of active duty in the military. Learn a trade, get paid, take free college courses on the side, then get honorably discharged and use the Post 9/11 GI Bill for university now that you're a little bit older and have some things figured out.
I wish I had good hands-on practical skills but it’s something I’ve always lacked in, I’ve always been better at abstract subjects and if it weren’t for that I’d definitely have gone to trade school Much easier to get a job and a quick start in life from what I’ve seen from friends who went to trade school
This is just from my classmates and other people I know. Almost all of the people with deemed useless majors were doing just fine and had relevant jobs. No unemployment besides a few people short term due to covid lockdown. The stem side had a bunch of people without relevant work and some people struggling. Business majors are subjective as being useful. I had a very few classmates who did choose trade school but not all of them work in their trade due to inability to find work.
As a FRESH GRADUATE with my BA, if you’re a High Schooler. Please don’t go to traditional college go to a trade school, traditional universities are a scam now a days, no one is hiring, or require 30+ years of experience (sarcastically) but like 5+ yrs of experience.
there are machines attached to computers that can do these jobs as well. Or has no one seen an auto manufacturing AI. There are autonomous trucks as well that will replaced truck driving. 3D printed homes will replace construction workers so only a foreman is needed. That would be the home resident.
This is just like a currency. When you print too much money it becomes worthless. Degrees are the same thing. When too many have it it becomes less value.
The myth here is that a college education is only for a job. It's not. And you can do both: you can be college educated AND work in a trade. It's not either or. Kids are leaving high school today without basic reading comprehension. And college is the last stop for becoming a literate adult. When automation and AI comes for these trade jobs (and it will), most of these kids will be on the unemployment line because they lack the intellectual tools to adapt.
For most degrees, it’s not about learning a skill. It’s about showing your future employer that you showed and up and did your work for 4 years and had determination
high schoolers forced to try trade school because they cannot afford colleges. No one wants to work in the blistering heat putting together metal sheds and pig pens. Or welding ships hulls in 100 degree summers...... But try to sell it anyways,
Only issue without college is dating. Yeah you’ll earn six figures as a plumber but dating sites got stats that blue collar workers have a much harder time getting matches
If had to do it all over again it would be trade school. My two college degrees were a waste of money. Electricians, Plumbers and HVAC makes more money than both college degrees combined. Also contractors and landscapers.
The only way to "forego college" is to study industry and scientific methodology independently, which is impossible if you don't have secure foundations, and access to formally-educated communities. The "particle physics is your opinion" crowd can't solve basic problems without tutorials and continuous consultation.
The core principle is just got obtain a SKILL If your are not going to major in STEM then college should not be your #1 option TRUST Even then, all that debt is not worth it. Stack your bread and go obtain a SKILL by self learning or make a lower investment by picking up a certification(s) or trade(s)
Better chances with trade schools, but either way... it's the lesser of two longshots. 🙄 True success and prosperity hail from LUCK and connections. No exceptions.
This was Netanyahu's response to the AMERICAN lawmaker (Chuksumer) : "IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, and we are not a banana country that is dictated to by anyone, EVEN AMERICA"... and yet the taxes of American citizens paid with sweat and tears gone to Israel😂😂😂 AIPAC lobbyist money is a haven for lawmaker and officials. Are you going to just watch them have fun with their lobbyists and your taxes, while you have trouble paying your taxes??
Melbourne (Australia) psychologist Victoria Heywood-Smith is actually autistic… (she will be using this as her excuse in advising the incorrect advice . This is why it is the only well paid job she can do. She just has to sit there and be quiet & nobody picks up on it. Shouldn’t a psychologist have the perfect relationship with their partner also? Who are they to give anyone advice…
Hands-on and straight to the damn point is how ALL universities and community colleges should be. I don't want to go to college to write a 15-page report on how one giant super continent broke apart and formed the continents we have now, or how the environments and land species contributed to human evolution. None of that has anything to do with cybersecurity or aws cloud computing. We dont have time to jump over obstacles, so stop wasting student's time and money.
Due to the addiction to media & gaming, many in this generation do not have the attention span and ability to focus and study as required to successfully complete 4 years college. It’s a shame these companies are lowering educational standards to accommodate folks not willing to do the work.
In my opinion I feel like college is great but also a trade as well, but I will not agree on is the military, it is completely not worth it (money wise, time wise, and overall health wise)
Trade schools are great if you want to chop vegetables, drive a truck or put your hand down clogged toilets for the rest of your life. Some people want a little more for their futures, though.
@@megsley Nope. M.A., Art History. I used my degree to get a job in the IT industry. Now I work at Google. Oh yeah, I worked my way through school teaching and waiting tables, not racking up student loan debt. The people who resent college graduates the most usually never went to college.
@@devildoll9929 Congrats on becoming a holier-than-thou Google employee. Your attitude shows exactly why people avoid grad students from woke institutions.
This isn't a bad thing. A trade school is a good idea.
no one disagrees with that. But pretending that trade school is better then college and vice versa is just false. It all depends
You really can learn the 3B's of college (beer, botany and beowulf) at your local library and bar. You don't need to spend 125K to do that. You don't even need Professor Plum for those.
@@cstuartdcwho tf is paying 125k for undergraduate education
@@Wongseifu548 L take.
@@Mein_KampfyChair lucky for me and Military pays for my college😎
Education is important but it’s not the only path to success. To all those who didn’t attend college remember that your determination, hard work, and passion will take you far!
Facts
And work experience as well
@@beanerbon facts
But can I protest the next big thing?
@gourRanga-jg9nm you will and you'll like it.
If I had kids in highschool and they want to become plumbers or carpenter and has the physical hard working mindset, then I fully support them to go trade school.
My babiest sister, she’s thirty now. She did four years of college. Then after a gap year she did graduate school, all at Fordham University…she’s still underemployed.
I’m 32 and been knew college was a scam. Now own a family owned plumbing business
@@ShimmySha you and your family stay blessed 🙂👍
What degree?
If you're not going into fields such as education, business, technology, medicine, or finance, you've wasted your time and money because all other degrees are useless.
@@antoniodiego9357what is your baby sister's degree exactly?
We have two kids both with 4 year college degrees and yet they still struggling to find a job in their field.
Welcome to the new world college is a scam lol
What majors?
What did they do in their field before graduating? Internships? Co-ops? The key here is NOT to be fresh in their field after the graduate: they should have been past entry level by then. It's a competitive market out there and they got to do whatever they need to do to stand out
This is why STEM is on top
What did they major in?
i went to a 4 year university, i would highly recommend for students to not rush and try to graduate as soon as you can. Instead go for internships, co-ops, volunteer to gain experience in their field of study.
i was so set on graduating in 4 years, that instead of taking internships over the summers, i would take summer classes, then i graduated and applied for "entry level jobs" and i had no experience in the field. All employers were like ok, you need 1-2 years experience along with your degree...
@akui88 it's easier while you're in school but I wonder if there's internship opportunities for graduates that might've missed out on them. A lot of people hate it but if there were any point a diversity hire position would be useful, I'd imagine it's that. Folks that had to finish college ASAP to avoid incurring excessive debt and come from underprivileged backgrounds. Obviously aptitude should be looked at as well but there's a lot of internships and experience poor students have to miss out on due to external factors that companies might be overlooking.
really good point
No joke. Trade school is cheaper. And there's less gatekeeping in the job market.
That depends especially if you go to become a electrician. You don't instantly make 6 figures plus you have union dues
@@Wongseifu548 You don't make tall money for a number of years. It takes four years just to complete your apprenticeship to get your actual license.
Anyone who thinks they're going to make bank after a few months in a trade school is delusional.
It’s not about cost though, it’s about the first r successes.
“Less gatekeeping”.. LIES!
Automotive repair might not be the best example. There’s the current shortage of mechanics for a reason
Plus with the rise in EVs might need less of them
@Wongseifu548 what rise?
I have clumsy, shaky hands though
@@qatarworldcupwinnermessi yet you still manage to pleasure yourself
younger generation is dumber and thats too hard and challanging of a job for them
It’s not a one size fits all. Just be honest with yourself. The path that motivates you is the one to take.
Exactly pretending that one is better then the other is a false assumption
And the path you can afford without relying on your parents money. Parents are not obligated to pay for higher education.
@@jenniferhansen3622 huh? What do you mean
@@scotthearts9634 College students need to pay for it themselves and make sure they can do it without parents' funds.
@@scotthearts9634 For example, community college would be more affordable than a University. College students can also get scholarship money and they can also work while they go to college to pay for it and take out loans on their own. It is not the parents responsibility to pay for college, it is the college students responsibility.
It's so crazy how Dragon Ball and Toonami generation got screwed over. TH-cam launched in 2005 when I was in high school. None of the kids back then knew youtube and social media platforms would become websites where kids could make thousands and millions of dollars.
biko you need storyboards sha?
I've noticed a common thread with the people telling kids to forget college and go into the trades: They are virtually all college boys themselves who wouldn't be caught dead doing manual labor.
If we get massive new waves of people into the trades, guess what's going to happen? Wages will go down, down, down. It will be the new fast food job.
In a lot of areas, the trades already make dirt wages with zero job security and few if any benefits. If you're in a good union state, it can be good money, but it can take many years to get to that point, and a physical job that seems great at age 22 becomes a whole lot less fun at 52. Most guys I've ever known in the trades were functionally crippled by the time they were 60. Shot hips, knees, shoulders. You'd think they were 87 if you saw them trying to get around.
@barryhahn6419 Right. Nobody needed doctors during Covid.
@barryhahn6419 Doctors were plenty essential.
@@kenofken9458the doctors that told the truth or the ones that kept the lie going?
@@JonnyQest666 The doctors who actually saved lives and not the kook conspiracy ones.
I joined the service, went to A AND C school. Got out with my VA loan status. Used my military experience to land a good job and bought my house. I never set foot in college and made 150k last year. FACTS
What do you do?
the army has removed the education benefits.
My child was going to go to college and major in forensic science/criminology and decided in her senior year to go to a community college to become a welder. With the high cost of tuition at a 4 year university, she thought going to a community college and working part time is more realistic. She will graduate with a specific skill and if she decides to change her career, she can take college courses online and pay for it herself while working as a welder (her current goal).
Thats sounds like an awesome plan to me! All the best in her endeavors! 👌
We need welders in the US. The old machines that no longer can order parts needs a skilled tradesmen to make parts. You do need to have a good aptitude for mathematics.
Ummmm, machinists make parts, not welders.
I got a feeling that WRX is modded. Red horn swaps are common on those lol. As far as trade schools go, it's not bad gen z is choosing to go that route but they have to understand that what they're trading for student debt is hard labor, long hours, and a heavy stigma. Coming from a family that's worked in trades, there's a lot good about them but you have to understand the downsides too.
Best trade to get into is Commercial Electrician for pay, quality of workplace, and business startup opportunities, but to be honest most trades are good.
Kids in high school need some internships/apprenticeships so they can get some exposure to a college type or trade type career.
They need to be careful which trade school they pick, some will charge you a lot for those few years in school. I went through a medical assistant program back in 2013 and was charged as much as a regular 4 year bachelor degree 🤦🏻♀️ I was very naive back then, so it's my fault I know, but beware.
Getting a degree, does not guarantee a job or career. Since 2021, 20% of all college graduates never get a job in their field and eventually have to go into the workforce or go back to school for a different career path. Skills is experience. Better to get a career going at 18 than waiting out your 20's hoping you made the right choice, deciding to go back to school because of unforeseen difficulties; while the trade schooler buys a house, is years set on a career and capping off debt left, right and center. A piece of paper on the wall never defines you. Its what you do with yourself.
Just a tidbit. Plumbers make more than most college graduate degrees. Dentists make even more. Don't get me started on landscapers. The work might not be as desirable but the pay is better and it's more of a sure bet. It's also not likely to be replaced by AI.
Not quite true, there's a prototype robot that runs on ChatGPT that was shown to wash dishes without programmed instructions. It also handed someone an apple when they said they were hungry. It's coming close to the time that no job may be safe from AI.
@@Gyvie-marie Washing dishes is something that can be automated without AI. There's dishwashers that were created in the 80's that can do that. Going into someone's house and retooling and rerouting their plumbing lines and accessing what the cause of a leak is and digging out dirt is different than what you're saying. Handing an apple is not the same as this.
@@shipwreck8847 It was doing by hand, a humanoid robot. They're gearing to make it so that it can solve a problem by word instructions. If you say you are hungry, it solves the problem without prompting and hands you a fruit. There are dirty dishes, solves the problem by washing them. If there are books or online instructions on how to do something it can learn it. That is the ultimate goal.
Plumbers make more true but there hours tend to be worse and the job is more stressful on the body from what my friend tells me who is also a plumber
I made a million dollars landscaping from 2002 to 2010 in my 20s. now i fix lawnmowers for $160 an hour. the saying about on average college grads make a million more in their life is misleading cause 25% make several million more as doctors, bankers, traders, dentists, business owners. the rest dont make any more with the degree or barely enough more to pay the $100k tuition loans and interest. So be sure you can afford to gamble and know what you will be doing and making after college if you go.
Yeah went to community college then held healthcare job for 20 years making more what new nurses are making…now in my 40s finishing up bachelors online knowing I’m done with healthcare into different career path plans no need traditional college path cause you don’t don’t know what you want to be which becomes factor.
Why get in dept $250 thousand dollars. This is the case at Vanderbilt in Nashville. I did the math 4 years = $775 month for 30 years! Crazy
I wasted so much of my life doing college work. I hate this world.
You should feel proud to have academic foundations. Scientific framework, and understanding of social/industrial standards place you far ahead of all who oppose academic authority.
My Dad always said a trade school was best! I chose a simple 2 year technical school, got hired immediately out of college and retired 10 years ago after a great 25 year career. Not sure that’s even possible these days so I feel LUCKY 🍀
Honestly, for engineers (and especially for people going into industry), it should almost be a requirement to have a certificate in a trade. Auto repair for mechanical engineers going into auto industry or A&P certification for engineers going into aerospace for example.
Good, because labor is actually quite pricey right now. Plumbing, electricians, carpentry, etc. are all vital jobs that keep our infrastructure intact.
College is a waste of time and money. I wasted ten years going to school and graduated in 2018. Most of the top and most talented artists in film and animation industry are self taught or they had mentors. They didn't even go to school for it. Also, kids are making so much money on social media platforms, it's ridiculous. Especially the females who are given websites such as OnlySimps. They make thousands or millions now.
Yeah, but how much are those women going to be making on those sites when they're 47?
And how many people who go to Hollywood with big dreams ever see them realized? That town and industry chews up and spits out a thousand young dreamers for every one it elevates to success.
those women don't make millions. very few make a living. But yes hollowood does not care about our creative degrees. If only parents listened to that advice decades ago many people could have avoided this debt trap. For a fraction of the cost of college one could fly out to LA, get a cheap apt for awhile and try to get in the business. I say could, because today thats no longer possible. You MUST have a letter proving 3x the rent in stable income even to rent a room in any major city.
It doesn't have to be either or. I was a Registered Vet Tech for 15 years before going back for my BA and entering another field.
Do an online bachelors degree while working a job that you wouldn’t be able to do if you were going traditional grounded campus. Hopefully you will also find a company that pays for a huge part of the tuition. If students did this they would be fine.
I always tell the kids try looking into trade school or the military
Yessss. Bring trades back!
Trade schools best
That's always a it depends
I very much support people who go to trade school, since it's an easy and convenient decision for people with different situations. However, as an example for myself, I would preferably go for a college that gives either an associate's degree or even a bachelor's degree, since hands-on skills are completely not my forte.
the saying about on average college grads make a million more in their life is misleading cause 25% make several million more as doctors, bankers, traders, dentists, business owners. the rest dont make any more with the degree or barely enough more to pay the $100k tuition loans and interest. So be sure you can afford to gamble and know what you will be doing and making after college if you go.
Your comment is misleading. Not all tradesmen will own their own business and doctors, lawyers, and dentists who own their own practices can make over a million dollars per years. I knew a surgeon that built his own practice who then invested $40M into a hospital. I've never heard of plumbers having businesses worth that kind of money
@Eric-xh9ee maybe not plumbers but America's largest landscape company did $2.7 billion last year.
And yes that's what I was saying. 1 doctor making $1 million a year and 19 other college grads making min wage and can't afford to pay their college loans averages out to a million dollars more in their life. Even though 19 out of 20 didn't make more.
@@SgtJoeSmithyeah.. ur completely right. they pull these statistics out of their ass and dont take everything into account. i feel like they do it just to increase their word counts and seem more interesting to watch
@@dylanssssss They need to redo stats. How many actually make more with college. How many make enough more to pay for college and how many made more but was a wash cause college costs. and how many didnt graduate and got stuck in debt. Also those that go to college are usually smarter and more motivated and dont quit over little things and probably wouldve made the same without college unless their field like doctor or lawyer required college.
Something else they dont tell you is 40% of americans that work, work for a drop out. Either HS or college. Apple, Facebook, Microsoft, Oracle, Virgin (records/airlines/mobile), Dell computers, Ford, Disney, Google, Twitter, Zara, Whatsapp. All started by drop outs. To name a few. Almost sounds like dropping out is better than going to college.
4 year degree is a good option if you want to do things like IT, business, nursing etc. But trade school are good if you want to do construction, pluming etc. you don’t need a degree to do labor jobs. You still have to come out of a program to gain a career it just doesn’t come to you directly. College is still a good value.
Have you ever considered becoming a friar?
I’d say join the army, national guard, marines even though we’ve heard bad things about it but whatever it takes to avoid being put in minimum wage after graduating.
AI will take over everything, it is futile.
More people in trades means more value for my degree, and a fairer trade market. Thank God!
All students need to do this
If you are a quiet person, then do not consider a trade.
Why?
This is terrible advice. I'm an introvert and became an A&P. Being reserved or quiet has nothing to do with your success.
@@randucci 9 hours later, and no one agrees with your comment.
lets just forget the fact that FAFSA messed up
I think this is good! WE need well apprenticed people 🙂 wish UK would have better apprenticeships.
If someone is qualified, I recommend at least 4 years of active duty in the military. Learn a trade, get paid, take free college courses on the side, then get honorably discharged and use the Post 9/11 GI Bill for university now that you're a little bit older and have some things figured out.
I wish I had good hands-on practical skills but it’s something I’ve always lacked in, I’ve always been better at abstract subjects and if it weren’t for that I’d definitely have gone to trade school
Much easier to get a job and a quick start in life from what I’ve seen from friends who went to trade school
Turning Point USA is finally making an impact.
This is just from my classmates and other people I know. Almost all of the people with deemed useless majors were doing just fine and had relevant jobs. No unemployment besides a few people short term due to covid lockdown. The stem side had a bunch of people without relevant work and some people struggling. Business majors are subjective as being useful. I had a very few classmates who did choose trade school but not all of them work in their trade due to inability to find work.
As a FRESH GRADUATE with my BA, if you’re a High Schooler. Please don’t go to traditional college go to a trade school, traditional universities are a scam now a days, no one is hiring, or require 30+ years of experience (sarcastically) but like 5+ yrs of experience.
nice try troll
@@Wongseifu548 I wish I was, but thanks!
there are machines attached to computers that can do these jobs as well. Or has no one seen an auto manufacturing AI. There are autonomous trucks as well that will replaced truck driving. 3D printed homes will replace construction workers so only a foreman is needed. That would be the home resident.
100,000 usd a year?! Wow
Everyone is for the trade route until it’s an engineer or architect telling you what to do
The degree requirement not taking away, it’s just hidden..
This is just like a currency. When you print too much money it becomes worthless. Degrees are the same thing. When too many have it it becomes less value.
Good decision. AI will probably replace a lot of office jobs in the future. Can't see that happening to trade jobs like plumbing.
The myth here is that a college education is only for a job. It's not. And you can do both: you can be college educated AND work in a trade. It's not either or. Kids are leaving high school today without basic reading comprehension. And college is the last stop for becoming a literate adult. When automation and AI comes for these trade jobs (and it will), most of these kids will be on the unemployment line because they lack the intellectual tools to adapt.
It’s surprising that people pick a degree over experience for hiring. This is why everything is messed up
That is fantastic program.
Skills first makes sense
For most degrees, it’s not about learning a skill. It’s about showing your future employer that you showed and up and did your work for 4 years and had determination
high schoolers forced to try trade school because they cannot afford colleges. No one wants to work in the blistering heat putting together metal sheds and pig pens. Or welding ships hulls in 100 degree summers......
But try to sell it anyways,
I thought this was the Onion by the title lmao
Anyone turning to trade schools was not getting in those private universities anyway 🤣🤣
Only issue without college is dating. Yeah you’ll earn six figures as a plumber but dating sites got stats that blue collar workers have a much harder time getting matches
That will change
If had to do it all over again it would be trade school. My two college degrees were a waste of money. Electricians, Plumbers and HVAC makes more money than both college degrees combined. Also contractors and landscapers.
what did you study exactly? When you say what your degrees are you are being vague.
Okay look I've never been to college I became a truck driver
OK what's your point?
@@Wongseifu548 His point is his knees gone bad along his back lmao
I'm sorry
you can become a self taught tech professsional and make ovr 100k as a self taught soft ware engineer
The only way to "forego college" is to study industry and scientific methodology independently, which is impossible if you don't have secure foundations, and access to formally-educated communities. The "particle physics is your opinion" crowd can't solve basic problems without tutorials and continuous consultation.
sure, but 99% of people going to college ARENT studying particle physics.
@@megsley They don't need to, all work/study contributes to development of the same model, unless they're unfriendly.
Work smarter not harder
That would be the intellectual pre-requisite for college.
The core principle is just got obtain a SKILL
If your are not going to major in STEM then college should not be your #1 option TRUST
Even then, all that debt is not worth it. Stack your bread and go obtain a SKILL by self learning or make a lower investment by picking up a certification(s) or trade(s)
It is a White collar VS Blue collar... It is a complete different path.
Hey this is what South park predicted
I believe in hirer education
Better chances with trade schools, but either way... it's the lesser of two longshots. 🙄 True success and prosperity hail from LUCK and connections. No exceptions.
After watching the movie 2012 a dozen times ..I remember the welders and am sure they had plumbing experts too on those Arks 😂
Charlie Kirk is smiling😁
No, Kirk isn't so happy right now because the Falcons drafted a QB in the 1st round.
Trades ftw. Aircraft inspector here @125k.
Lmaoooooooooooo we are all going to die anyways ! Bahahahahaha
San La Muerte
Since the 40’s
Attend trade schools. Traditional college is a waste of time, money, and energy!
Yeah tell that to aerospace engineers, lawyers, analysts etc......
Anyone who chooses social sciences in 2024 is a fool.
Takes one to know one 🤓 🖕
@@firstlast8258 And you prove my point for me, I thank you.
This is nothing new.
This was Netanyahu's response to the AMERICAN lawmaker (Chuksumer) : "IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE, and we are not a banana country that is dictated to by anyone, EVEN AMERICA"... and yet the taxes of American citizens paid with sweat and tears gone to Israel😂😂😂
AIPAC lobbyist money is a haven for lawmaker and officials. Are you going to just watch them have fun with their lobbyists and your taxes, while you have trouble paying your taxes??
Dei wokism me2 equality has made education worthless but don't expect the trades to put up with your feelings & emotions
Melbourne (Australia) psychologist Victoria Heywood-Smith is actually autistic… (she will be using this as her excuse in advising the incorrect advice . This is why it is the only well paid job she can do. She just has to sit there and be quiet & nobody picks up on it. Shouldn’t a psychologist have the perfect relationship with their partner also? Who are they to give anyone advice…
Skills are better than that college degree that’s a scam
Then why are recent college grads earning a median salary of $60,000 while those with just a high school degree have a median of $36,000?
@@kenofken9458 where’s your source? Also $60000 a median still isn’t enough for the amount of debt you inherit after you come out of school
College is a waste of time for some of us
California jobs👉 10 chickens available for 10,000 crocs 🫡
Trade school had more benefits
Not really
lot of jobs in the medical field. $20 hr buffing floors
Hands-on and straight to the damn point is how ALL universities and community colleges should be. I don't want to go to college to write a 15-page report on how one giant super continent broke apart and formed the continents we have now, or how the environments and land species contributed to human evolution. None of that has anything to do with cybersecurity or aws cloud computing. We dont have time to jump over obstacles, so stop wasting student's time and money.
I should have gone to trade school.
Due to the addiction to media & gaming, many in this generation do not have the attention span and ability to focus and study as required to successfully complete 4 years college. It’s a shame these companies are lowering educational standards to accommodate folks not willing to do the work.
Protip: Attend university in europe.
If the working house were 8 even people like me who love tech and. Science would go into trade..😅
They can choose either, doesn’t matter. Future is doomed.
The future is now
Judging from all the anti-Semitic Nazis closing down college campuses this week I would lean towards a trade school today.
Coast guard while attending CC.
How is it? The coast i mean
Trade schools baby
In my opinion I feel like college is great but also a trade as well, but I will not agree on is the military, it is completely not worth it (money wise, time wise, and overall health wise)
Your a good Patriot
GI BILL and VA loan status = PRICELESS. try again
@@justmee9441gawd bless Murica 🤓🖕
it was worth it to me even though i hated it the benefits speak volumes
Trade schools are great if you want to chop vegetables, drive a truck or put your hand down clogged toilets for the rest of your life. Some people want a little more for their futures, though.
You’re right. My husband is making 6 figures driving trucks. It’s about the person.
somebody is salty about the 100K in student loans they took out for a gender studies degree 😂
@@megsley Nope. M.A., Art History. I used my degree to get a job in the IT industry. Now I work at Google. Oh yeah, I worked my way through school teaching and waiting tables, not racking up student loan debt.
The people who resent college graduates the most usually never went to college.
not really,we're just using the system wrong,you're supposed to learn the trade,then start your own business.
@@devildoll9929 Congrats on becoming a holier-than-thou Google employee. Your attitude shows exactly why people avoid grad students from woke institutions.