CN Train Derailment - CN M369 at Kingston ON
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- CN Train M369 with CN5716, CN2256 for power, rockets through John F Scott Rd in Kingston's East end. near the end a Release of air can be heard from the train, and as the tail approaches the last car tips, causing a drawbar break on the 3rd last car. scary moment indeed.. one of the first few thoughts in the heads of the crew was if me and my friend were ok..
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Person filming: Tries not to die
People in comment section: why did you move the camera
LMAO
EXACTLY!!! 😩 😠
That's why you don't stand so close to begin with
That's why you learn the art of running backwards while you're filming forwards.
I don’t blame him
An amazing catch with additional luck avoiding getting hurt.
It's because of these train enthusiasts videos that I've been waiting in my car like 50 to 75 feet back from active train crossings for the last several years.
Right! But I'd be about 100 to 150. Yikers . Talk about a 💩 💩 pants moment 🤣🤣
I used to go right up to the tracks decades ago to film unit trains race by. I didn't get too close, but was about 8 feet away. I wouldn't do that now though. Pass. At the speed the trains were going then, if a car or cars jumped the track and headed right for me, I wouldn't have made it out of there in time and wouldn't be typing this comment today.
I once witnessed an ns train close to trackspeed (70mph) I was standing at the lights, I chickened out but that probably was a good decision
and the box car be like wait for me.glad you trainspotters are safe.
Agreed;-) good thing God was on their side that day.
I'm just happy the boxcar wasn't left behind, it caught up with it's family thank you god
Kyle FOURNIER LOL
What i was thinking to seeing that one box car ay"ay" wa" waaait!! don't leave me behind guys I'm still rolling with you!!😃. . Damn that was insane it derailed at the right time instead happened closed we're these guy's was most definitely going 60mph that fast!!! I'm glad they are ok
@@avontaprice9661 no he wasn't. It was just common sense to move
Cameraman: Moves away and puts his life first
People: Surprised Pikachu face
he didn't move away, he first grabbed the camera on a tripod and then ran away. No one cared that he ran away, they care that he grabbed the camera.
@@specialed6357 Screw the camera, run like hell!
Why did he have to grab and spin the camera around
Stfu
@@augsnow2067 lol
Switching cars at 55MPH: One hell of a drop maneuver 1:34
And that is why I don't stand that close. My rule of thumb: the faster it's moving the futher away I stand. It only takes a split second for a 100 ton rail car to mow you down just as any traveling vehicle.
Charles Stevenson so many ppl that film trains stand way to close. Even it is a crossing it's still TOO CLOSE
+CAN Control must be dumb people, a derailment can occur at any time, anywhere.
I agree. If a train is moving at 60mph, as 369 is here, I wouldn't stand any closer than 20 feet away, even if I were an employee performing a roll-by inspection. Does anyone remember what happened at Mont-St-Hilaire, QC back in 1999? Another reason for not standing too close.
Well, I am always filming the railroad crossing signals from 25-30 feet away.
@@cliffwilkie4035 hi there. What happened in 1999?
That’s crazy! Glad you guys are alright!
hey there bud
*IS THIS MAN FROM FUTURE HOW HE KNOW IT WILL DERAIL AND HE CAIGHT IT ON CAMERA*
1:33 Look ma......no engine😂
@MNRRailroadist Gaming :D
1:27
@TheFinkster3 no one was even there!
Jay Hunt you really believe that a camera can record a train and move out of the way when a train is derailing how stupid are you
And no derailment as said!
Aaaand now you guys know the reason why the train crews are always yelling at our fellow railfans to back away.
Col. Angus they never yell at me
These fellas appeared to be at a safe distance.
I guess that depends on how fast you think you can run. Heavy car comes off at 15 degrees from the track path moving 40 mph (58 feet per second) takes longer to slow than smear these guys into pulp. Camera on tripod, not an issue.
Richard Salt it was only a "safe distance" because the derail didn't happen right where dude was standing.
Richard Salt - LOL they were until something like that happens, a car jumps the tracks and then your dead. No, not at safe distance.
Im a former conductor and the one thought that races through my mind when i see or experience a derail is "if there are people around, are they ok?" "How bad was the accident and what caused it?"
And with that, Thomas' job as a useful engine came to an abrupt end. But seriously, filming alongside a freight train is one of the scariest photography assignments you'll ever do.
I would assume you just be aware of your surroundings and be on your toes like you always should be in life?
Best way to do that? Leave the camera there and step 75 ft back.
This is why you never stand close to the right of way or drive up to the gates at a crossing. Been working on trains for over a decade in Canada for CN and the old timers warned us to always stand 100 ft or more away when inspecting passing trains. Stay safe. Thanks for posting the video.
Yup! And this would be why! Things can go from normal to WTF in less than a second. The human body is no match for a 140 ton derailing freight car moving at 50mph.
Awesome catch ! 👍🏻
Of course. The cameraman caused it. Think about it. He just happened to be in the right spot, at the right time on the right day. 🤔
but it derailed
@@kodarailfaner3415 That's the catch
@@TheTallMan50 right
What catch? The only thing I saw was the camera jerked away as a car rolled by unattached. ?
Once again, here's the straight dope.
When anyone hears the air go it's time to beat feet. An emergency application of the brakes may be the result of a derailment or the cause of a derailment. For the latter, here's the anatomy:
Two things happen when the air goes while out and running. First of all, the forces at play throughout the train skyrocket, both through the drawbars and where wheel meets rail. If the lateral force becomes greater than the vertical force the car will derail. In curvature, that will pull the cars off to the inside of the curve (string-lining) or climb the outer side of the curve causing "jack-knifing." This is especially true if the train is descending grade or the dynamic brake is used for any purpose, such as slowing and at all times when the slack is bunched (in buff).
If you suck out a drawbar on the leading end of a car in the direction of travel it can be driven into the ground, causing a derailment. On the trailing end it can derail the car behind it.
The second thing to happen is because the engineer loses the ability to control that slack. That is the name of the game and the most important part of train handling because speed changes or terrain, like a washboard usually require slack management to keep the forces within acceptable limits. Here's why.
When a train being pulled goes into an undesired emergency application of the brakes, it nullifies power from the engine immediately. That all but nullifis control, but in dynamic brake there is a short time limit before that drops out, so the head-end doesn't run out the slack and cause a derailment, usually due to a drawbar failure.
This happens automatically because of the pneumatic control valve (PC) on the engine. Further it engages the A-1 charging cut-off pilot valve. Just a fancy way to say the air pressure cannot be restored until the train stops and the PC is recovered, which also has a time out. This keeps the train brakes from releasing or being released while still under way.
Bottom line here, waaaaay too close for filming, or anything else for that matter. Use a tripod when the angle is right and back off. All those loaded center beam flats loaded with wood tip the scale at about 138 tons per copy. If you don't want one in your lap keep back and to hell with the camera.
Huh? What? Lol
Well I don’t mind the person move the camera, I’m just wondering why he stop recording. Leaving us wondering what happened. Some serious stuff! Glad yall safe. Could have been a lot worse.
It’s not every day that you see something like this
The sheer amount of luck that happened here, a train going 60mph derailing close to you, on the very last car. I’m so glad it was the last car that derailed, had it been a car around the middle of the train, that would’ve been drastically different
Glad you guys are ok!
good thing God's Angels was there :-) ;-)
Must have been one heck of an experience. Glad you are okay.
The FBOX boxcar involved in the separation was likely a load of woodpulp bales or paper rolls from a northern Quebec paper/pulp mill. Since CN 369 originates at Senneterre, QC, they handle many of these loads. And it was on the tail end, so it was likely not a car that was picked up at Montreal/Taschereau Yard. These loads can weigh in at up to 143 tons gross (car empty tare weight + load weight). I have worked for the railroad for 21 years & would've likely ran away from the right-of-way in the event that FBOX car decided to turn over on its side. I wouldn't be any closer than 20 feet from the track, but I wouldn't have stuck around to possibly get crushed flatter than a piece of aluminum foil.
Great capture, and glad you were vigilant enough to get out of the way in time--all railfans should be.
A great rarity to ever catch something like this happening, right place, right time.
Whoa! another mess to clear up.
A good illustration of why you NEVER stand too close to a moving train. Sh*t can go sideways in an instant, and while the odds of a derailment are low, they can and do happen. Very fortunate that nobody was hurt - derailments at speed are terrifying.
As much as I love rail fanning, you experienced my worst fear. You are lucky those were the last few cars. Imagine if another dozen or more were behind that could have created a far more tragic ending. Count your blessings by investing in a long zoom lens if you have a DSLR.
He did yelling to his friend to back off as those centerbeam car ready to flip on its side.
honestly my worst fear is not only that, but if im the unlucky kid who sees one of the dumba**** who frequently circumvent the gates at my closest crossing get hit
That's why I keep my distance when watching trains! I NEVER get that close to a railroad crossing, even if it's on public property! Hearing the bells ringing upclose constantly is annoying as hell for me, too.
I saw this on the news, pretty crazy. Good thing you guys didn't get hit!
Wow. . .this video perfectly illustrates why standing too close to a moving train is NOT a good idea!
Whoa! That's crazy! Glad no one got hurt! That was quite the derailment!
1:22 you hear the brakes come on.
That's the air brake.
The airbrake hose had disconnected and it had alerted the header to slam into emergency
@@Wolfgodmak when the air brake hose opens it automatically puts the brokes on, its because it operates in reverse lowering the air pressure buts the breaks on.
Wow nice catch! My son and I did a two day trip from the Quebec border to Kingston follwing the crossing and we did this one but was so foggy. Great share
Wow, talk about lucky. If that happened farther up the train, this would have probably turned out much worse. Glad your ok!
Colorado Strong Ok mom 🙄
I love when videos end just as they get interesting
yeah 😡
I love when people stop recording video footage of an emergency incident so they can dial 9-1-1 and get proper resources on the way in an urgent manner.....
Did you not see the car uncouple?
Wow, so glad you guys are safe... That's gotta be something to see in person... Wow.
Holy derail Batman! You were pretty lucky too. Awesome timing. Great catch. Please be safe!
I'm glad you're safe dude. This got you one sub added to your account. Not everybody witnesses a derailment and nearly falls victim to it.
This is why I always park far back from the tracks at crossings.
Smart idea.
Head like an orange
@@Azerkeux I'm so glad someone knows it!
When their going sixty, you better hope the derailment happens far enough away to make an escape if it is hazardous.
Lol
Wow, good catch!!!! Glad you're ok!
Fantastic capture
i dont blame the guy for not filming and jumping out of the way. You never know, the last wagon could have kept sliding along the side of the track and took him out. Lucky it fell the other way.
That's why when I'm out railfanning and near the tracks as a train is passing, I look in the direction a train is coming from as much as possible, paying attention for anything wrong.
chatanugadotorg oh sure. Mr Super Foamer.
Wow, that's a really good one ! Thanks for sharing!
that lone boxcar just riding on inertia alone is crazy
2 years late, but I'ma make this comment because no matter what you do there's no winning:
I don't blame him for freaking out when that last car started to derail, there's so many train derailments where you see a bunch of the train cars /tip/, and the rail cars passing him at the time would've 100% hit him if he didn't move and IF they tipped. Plus, if you were there in real life I'm sure you would've freaked out too if a train started to derail that was passing you at a decently fast speed.
one of the first few thoughts in the heads of the crew was if me and my friend were ok..
Awesome crew there
indeed
Wow! Glad everybody was OK!
Crazy video. Happy you guys are safe.
That had to have been scary seeing that boxcar roll by itself.
One in a million shot and you turn the camera away.
I know, it was almost interesting, but not quite. That's why panoramic windshield cams are nice. You'll never miss anything in front of you.
Well maybe he's smart enough to know that even an empty rail car will crush him like a grape....SMH.
@@ffjsb That's what tripods are for!
Someone still has to pan the camera when it's on a tripod...the tripod is just for a steady shot, not focusing on the subject.
@@ffjsb Exactly! There was no need to pan the camera; keep it steady.
Superb catch 👍🏻
You knew this train was messed as soon as the horn blew lol.. Glad you guys are alright!!!
I think back how stupid my brother and I were putting our safety at risk watching trains. We knew standing so close to the tracks wasn’t a good idea, but the adrenaline rush must’ve been worth it. As far as the camera situation goes I think it’s one of those situations where you don’t know what you would do until it happens. Would have been nice to see more shots afterward, but it’s still an awesome video.
Invest in a tripod.
You might have to recover the destroyed camera.
But at least you would have gotten the shot.
Without putting yourself in danger.
he did have the camera mounted on one, he went and grabbed it out of the way when the train derailed
So he put himself back into danger to "rescue" the camera?!! Classic
He grabbed it as he was leaving. He didn't go back for it because he hadn't left yet.
hasn't anyone ever heard of insurance... screw the cameras im out ill leave everything behind.. my life is not worth a $200 electronic device that breaks after a few years anyways.
SnowLeopard Pearl - Nice to see a commenter with some sense on here.
Are you by chance a Hackintosher?
Glad you guys are alright! What a rush!
Epic images...Great video....Big like from Romania
Wish you would’ve shown more after the incident? Did the boxcar rolled into the rear of the train??
Lucky you guys that you are safe. Anything could have happened.
It’s okay if we can’t see the derailment. Life is more important than fun.
Good catch and at the end, Wow 🤯
What an awesome catch!
Good filming
Lucky they avoided death!!
Now I know, never stay close to a moving train!!!
Boxcar wait for me
Jjajajaja😂🤣
Ope, let me just sneak past ya.
1:35
Lol 😄😁 😆😅 😂🤣 😃
Scary! Glad you are ok.
Man that was close. Glad you spotters are safe. Damn good engineer to be able to make sure that crossing was clear for traffic after a derailment. And to bring that list boxcar along unattached no less.
Why is it in any video where something bad happens, at that very moment the bad thing occurs, camera goes off everywhere else? Even when the person recording isn't even in harms way. At the moment of impact, the camera is looking the 1) sky 2) ground 3) tree off to the right 4) etc. Never fails.
Well, when something bad does happen like the boxcar derailing whoever is recording it isn't expecting it to happen.
In this case, I don't think it was immediately clear for the guy recording which way the derailing car was going to go. For all he knew, it was gonna go right towards him, so he reacted as any person would when they were seeing a derailment: Get away from it.
Jane D Redding fear for life?
Jane D Redding Little thing called self preservation rather than having non death fearing suicidal tendencies? 😂 😂 😂
Personally I think if you stand firm with your camera with 80tonnes of steel unpredictably bouncing around towards your direction you either have nothing to live for or you need your brain examined, getting up close and personal with stuff like this is just asking to be this years Darwin award winner.
It's almost as if in the exact moment something like that happens the person filming doesn't have the ability to look in to the future and know exactly what's about to happen and instead reacts like a human being by prioritising their own personal safety over getting a video for dickheads on youtube. Fucking hell.
Isn't in harm's way? There is a detailed box car coming towards them at 80km/h!
Great Zeus, that almost gave me a heart attack!
it's always good to keep the distance, I imagine the shock when I perceive the end coming to the ground and towards you !!!
I always feel a bit of tension when I'm in the first car stopped at a railway crossing.
I've always been afraid of that happening. Luckily it was the last car, otherwise the ones behind it would have pancaked.
If you notice there are more cars on the ground behind the yellow one running by itself. You can see dirt flying up in the distance.
Wow that's something you don't always see, magnificent catch!! You were at the right time at the right place 👍👍👍👍
To explain this. This is what happened. The 2nd rear car (the yellow tbox) either broke a knuckle or became uncoupled due to to the low spot in the rail. Notice the cars prior are moving up and down and the couplers are slamming on the carrier irons. When the two rear cars broke loose, the train goes in emergency. The immediate slack action causes the rear car to derail, falling over. Amazingly not taking the tbox car along with it. That's why you see the one singular car going by itself. This was most likely due to excessive slack action combined with a low area in the rail.
In my 55 years on this planet I've seen only 2 derailments in person (both had already happened when i had seen them) and I've yet to see a vehicle get struck by a freight train, you hear of it from time to time on the news. You can see it here on TH-cam, but I've never seen it in real life.
lucky enough myself, my friend almost got clipped by a passing fec train on his bike because of a crossing malfunction, lets just say that i will always stay off the crossings if i see running lights from now until the day i die
British Railways stopped using slip-coaches in 1960.
nice to know but what does that have to do with this video??
hifijohn - google 'slip-coach' for explanation of tongue-in-cheek comment. Google 'tongue-in-cheek' for explanation of British humour ;-)
Lol reference is spot on.
Great... I can tell you still love Thomas the train.
Why is that???
1:34 yellow boxcar: AIGHT IMMA HEAD OUT,
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You made my day!
Haha 🤣🤣
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Redbox car wanted to rest, and the yellow box car was all "FINE, lay down ya slacker". Then it was all "hol' up guys, wait for me!!!"
@@CMDRFandragon lol imagine a flag being on that yellow boxcar XD
Well that was pretty crazy, glad you are okay
Nice camera work, John Ford!
Doesn't it remind you of the Christmas movie The Polar Express when the car coupler slipped off, and the coach rolled away?
Yes, and the camera didn't flip away.
The next defect detector radios in "what the Fuck"?
"Equipment defect detector. Milepost: 9999999999-. Total axle: 9999999999999-. Temperature: 78 degrees. Integrity failure. Detector out."
Thanks for getting it on camera
the ol harmonic rock on jointed rails …. man that was nuts!! 😳
Hours and hours spent filming trains, and when something interesting finally happens . . . .
You don’t seem to kind right now
That almost cost their lives
Exactly. It's on a tripod. I get saving yourself but you sacrifice the camera
Oh phooey! 10 more seconds of footage would have been great... but when you gotta go, you gotta go!
As an engineer/conductor myself, I'm going to assume what happened here was the train got a drawbar on the 2nd from last car (the train looked pretty ugly with all the lumber and boxes on the tail end, plus looks like the train was in a dip too). The drawbar likely fell out of the car, and the last car hit it, and derailed.
I haven't looked at any reports or investigations for this derailment, I'm just guessing that's likely what happened here.
My Grandfather, who worked for New York Central for 46 years, said one of the most stupid things you can do is to stand next to or pull your car close to the tracks as a train, at these speeds, is going by. This explains why.
Seems like you can't please anyone here. Stand too close to the train, people yell at you for being in danger, stand too far away and people yell at you for not getting a good enough shot. Run away from the derailment, people yell at you for not filming it. If you had stayed to get a good shot of it, people yell at you for not running away. You litteraly cannot win with these ass holes.
okay stop saying "WhY did YoU Move The CamerA aWAY" bruh he could of died if he did not move
That’s scary stuff glad you guys were okay and the boxed car stayed on the rail
If you look closely you can see another boxcar separate and roll over.
Some people I think forget the size and speed of most trains, and likely dont understand how terrifying this would be, even from 100 ft away
Did you have to change your underwear when you got home?
Because that's a situation worthy of making someone crap themselves...
1:26
What you came here for.🙃
Yeah
That’s one of the reasons why they tell you to stay back, so you don’t get crushed by a freaking freight car if it tips
At 1:22,you can here the air brake snap and then 2 cars come lose.1 derailed.
Events like this are the reason I always railfan with a clean pair of underwear in my emergency box in the trunk of my car.
HustleMuscleGhias I heard you keep ladies underwear in your trunk.
*no one*
Kingston Firebuff: *films entire train except for the part we actually WANTED to see*
Have you ever heard of not wanting to die? If you were in that situation not knowing where that boxcar would go you would run for your life, not go and suddenly become a professional videographer and get a perfect shot for some people that would complain about anything on the internet, I'm with him on this one, stop complaining that this isn't perfect
Crazy....glad your Ok.
I love how the last boxcar is like: Hey wait up!
Too bad you moved the recorder when you did, missed the best part.
Go Home, Railcar. You're Drunk
xD
Genesee County Railfanning Productions lol
Dang that's why I stay farther away from the tracks
That was more of a detachment than derailment. I was expecting more cars to come off the tracks.
Derailment literally means cars coming off the track.
You’re thinking of a train wreck.