No Start Diagnosis on this Honda is really just an educated guess
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- I've been down this road before
no start no spark towed to shop
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No plugs and valve cover set? Fun fact about the old Honda b series motors, they ran so clean that they didn't have an egr valve. Well, without oil in the plug wells they ran clean. Timing marks I believe, are inside a plug you pop off the top of the trans. I was a Honda tech many, many moons ago
It will run even with oil in sparkplug holes )
My dad would have been on my a**for cranking a starter that long.
These diagnosis videos are the best. I would have stumbled on the spark plug tube oil, but you were able to look past it to the real problem.
experience is a great teacher
That chime is EXACTLY like a cheap alarm clock.
Even pulses the same.
Good job Kenny I've just done that job this morning so simple, it could do with a tune-up and new valve cover gaskets
Beautiful Kenny!
Keep up the good work, very informative video. Thanks again for sharing
Thank you for your videos.
Take the tools off the engine before you start it!
I didn’t and run a screwdriver through the radiator. Just saying.😅
They do have a cam sensor, and it's located....... inside the distributor. I know this, as my late dad's threw a cam sensor code, and after lots of searching, turned out that's where it was. New distributor, no more code.
To check codes on these, there's a little jumper at the front of the center console, bridge it with a paper clip, cycle the key 3 times (I think it was) and it flashes the CEL in sequences.
Beautiful job Kenny 👏👏👏👏🙏🙏🙏🙏
This was a cool video. In my opinion you should have wiped clean the distributor hole and addressed the issue fixing the oil leak down in spark plug holes, new geskets and seals for valve cover gasket.
Great job your good
the usual.... hey the master relay goes also
Yep, the main relay is another common Honda of that era failure point, especially if you don't hear the fuel pump prime.
Good video
Nice videos just started watching them.
Thank you! Keep wrenching 🔧
Good job my friend, always enjoy your videos. You make it look easy👍
That was a good guess. It had to be either coil, ignitor, or crank sensor. I would have loosen the fuel line at filter & see if there was fuel pressure. Crank sensor controls fuel pump. If you have pressure, the crank sensor is good. Also could have pulled a fuel injector connector & checked for voltage when cranking, which is controlled by crank sensor. Then easy enough to remove dist cap & check coil & ignitor to determine which was bad. Us poor people only replace the bad part, but I understand why you replaced the entire distributor. Time is money when you repair cars as a living.
"Crank sensor controls fuel pump." No it doesn't. Whoever told you that doesn't have a clue as to what they are talking about. The crank sensor doesn't control anything.
"If you have pressure, the crank sensor is good.}" Again, no.
How do I know you're wrong? The crank sensor is just a sensor. It sends timing data to the PCM. In this case, we can easily rule it out as a possible cause. One of the crank sensors main functions is to protect the engine. If the engine isn't timed correctly, the valves can hit the pistons. So, if you have a bad crank sensor, the PCM won't let the engine turn over. Otherwise, you'll snap every valve in the motor.
""Also could have pulled a fuel injector connector & checked for voltage when cranking, which is controlled by crank sensor." No, for a 3rd time."
No need to check for voltage when cranking. Fuel injectors get power directly from the battery. As long as the ignition is on and the fuse isn't blown, injectors should have power. A fuel injector fires when the PCM grounds it and completes the circuit. On newer vehicles that don't have distributors, the ignition coils are also ground side switched.
"Us poor people only replace the bad part"
Only if you know what you're doing.
Cool
My 98 Integra still runs with the flooded sparkplug boots lol
Thanks for sharing that video Kenny it was very educational.
Outstanding
I have a 97 civic HX 5sp 549k sits in the yard under the snow ❄️ and fires right up when I put the battery in. Battery is in the garage charging. Pretty rusty. I now drive a 2011 Subaru outback.
About 20 years ago , I trouble shooted a ‘90 Honda accord no start . Most likely the same engine , don’t remember , but Honda seems to carry a series of engine and transmission for years until something better or cheaper comes along in their favor .
It had fuel pressure , read injector pulse from a computer safe test light on an injector ( that’s all I got ) but no spark . Yeah , was in the distributor . So , I wanted to diagnose but not fire the parts cannon . Chilton had me checking an igniter and ignition coil but I wasn’t satisfied since all I had was my sunpro 7678 and the computer safe test light and not much more . Just was trying not to spend the guys money . Could have priced a distributor , new or used , but was hoping for simpler and on the cheap . I don’t cut corners , I prefer to do it right , but when it’s someone else’s money , I try not to spend their money . I could not do a proper diagnostic and confirm but I knew it had to be the igniter but want to confirm the coils condition . In a GM , it’s usually the ignition module , sometimes the pick up but rarely the coil . But you gotta check . It’s not always accurate to read a coil . At least in my experience . He got it done quick and easy by someone who took the initiative to get a junkyard distributor . So yeah , your absolutely correct. , after all the checking you can do , someone made it easy since most or all the diagnoses end the same , just get a distributor . It’s probably not even pricey anymore . Good job ! Your knowledge and experience precedes you . As always , thanks for sharing and helping us .
Once you pull the dist cap There are 3 wires on ignitor. you can pull the white/green wire from ignitor to coil & check w/test light while cranking. No light, no control signal from ignitor, bad ignitor. I'm like you, I only replace the bad parts.
14:40 Kenny the Plain White Wrapper
😂😂😂 it's Mrs Wrenching!!! You just made us laugh out loud!!! Thanks so much for that. Have a great day 😂
@@WrenchingWithKenny thank you Mrs Wrenching. And thank you for Sharing Kenny with us. I enjoy his work and I’m sure his channel would not be possible without your support. Happy Mother’s Day!
The most annoying tone known to man, The Honda key in the ignition beep beep. I think that’s why I’ve never owned a Honda no matter how reliable they are. I do have one customer with 406,000 miles (original motor and transmission) I know because I’ve been the only mechanic to work on it since 2010.
That's impressive! Thanks for sharing. Keep wrenching 🔧
Great way to find out the problem.
3:00 I'd have sprayed some starting fluid into intake to see if it wants to start.
I would have definitely at bare minimum addressed the valve cover and tube seals! And at least checked the gap on the plugs and probably put new wires on it since they were covered in oil
Ah the good ole days no scanner if you were any good ear timing.
I would have thought all that oil buildup would cause problems. Arcing, misfires and risk of fire. Unless the oil has somewhere to drain back into.
I thought you’re wrapping was pretty darn good
My gamble is distributor issue
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I would highly recommend replacing the valve cover gasket, as they'll come with new spark plug boots and replace wires and plugs. Biggest issue with these distributors is they run too hot from running old worn plug wires and prematurely quit. I've seen Honda distributors out last the cars if wires get replaced at regular intervals. Plus, only Denso or NGK ignition parts, Hondas don't like anything else. I'd be shocked if that aftermarket distributor last 50k miles.
The car probably won't last 50K. Thanks for your input. I appreciate it. Keep wrenching 🔧
If you couldn't find one could one with carbon fiber on a 3 d printer?
I thought the ignition wire was crack insulator one section?🙏🤔
Replaced the head gasket on this Honda. Started right up, ran and then died. Should have just replaced the distributor. But, as you can tell, it still has spark!
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2:53 You cranked it too long, Kenny. Hard on the starter!
I bet you’re the tech in the shop that has the biggest toolbox 🧰,you know the ones that look like a small walk in closet? I’ve had the same old Matco for 39 years as a Master mechanic.
Appreciate you! It's Mrs Wrenching. Your response made my heart happy ❤️ Thanks for watching 🔧
@@WrenchingWithKenny thank you. Us old mechanics are far and few between with not many young ones to follow just a lot of egos
So be4 I watch this a honda with problems ? A distributor
Brave man getting into a sick person's car with all those masks they must be very contagious
Let me guess "customer denied valve cover set". You're too good a mechanic to just clean out the oil otherwise.
Kenny, when you adjust the timing do you jumper the plug in the lower console Inside or do you just adjust the distributor with the upper dist bolt
Question Kenny. Would the oil down in the spark plug tubes be caused by a worn valve cover gasket (the type that has spark plug tube gasket either built in or separate). If so, why not go the route of changing the valve cover gasket? I'm just trying to learn something from you and not being critical.
New valve cover gaskets will come with plug tube boots, and these boots here are shot and should indeed be replaced, along with new wires and plugs, more likely it's why the distributor went toast. Imo, this job wasn't but half done.
He always guesses. But hes never wrong? Experience and ?
So, right after you had no spark, not a good idea to just jump to conclusion of distributor…
Next test would have been check control to injectors. If noid light doesn’t flash, then 10 distributors would not have worked because you dont have spark or fuel control. Also, no scan? What if you scan and it has a code for crank sensor? No crank signal, no spark… thumbs down…
You need to get your ear holes checked and get some experience with Hondas there armchair no videos expert.
@@tihspidtherekciltilc5469 i have plenty of experience.. worked at a shop for 20 years. You had no spark and didn’t check anything else in the video..
I agree, I would have checked the crank sensor. Only would have taken 2 minutes to rule it out.
Crank sensor is built into the distributor, that's the ignitor he was talking about. I'd get these in with no spark. I'd check for 12+ on power lead, and ground wire. If good, new distributor. With price of a distributor and the flat rate time to tear one of these apart, it's quicker and cheaper to just replace the whole unit.
For all the crap you give about non-mechanics who should not work on their car and then turn around and crank the starter for that extended duration which heats up the circuit. That's rich. You thought it was going to start? No diagnosis whatsoever just loaded up the parts cannon and got lucky
If I had ever changed a disey and not strobed it I would’ve been stoned then sacked, and rightfully so, come on if you are showing people do it correctly!
there is NEVER a need to " guess " when it comes to electronics. what IS needed is a good digital volt/ohm meter with a 10 mega-ohm internal impedance, so it Never draws on the circuit being tested. with it you can nail the EXACT electronic part that has failed. thus NEVER making a " guess " that may be wrong.. mental midget " parts changers " guess. those sorts call it a shotgun repair. shoot it with a shotgun and anything that catches a pellet gets swapped.
Your no rapper
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