Sorry, I'm from the east and no one ever said Busta bit Red's style. This is a big reach. Busta rapped with a west Indian ( Jamaica), Flatbush Brooklyn flare. Redman's gutta Jersey style ... you could not compare the two outside the lil ad lib.
They never had beef....always did songs together....Even had Flip Mode vs Def Squad joint on Busta's first solo LP....Red said one time that he originated the "Row Row Shit," but I never thought much of it
Honestly, as much as I respect busta for his abilities as an emcee.. I don't know if I fully agree with this. I've had the album for 15 years, it's never really stuck to me.. the transitions between tracks & his song structure just isn't cohesive enough for it to be a solid record. He was fucking with a lot of time measures, which there's nothing wrong with, if you weave the songs together well. No disrespect intended, he's still a legend in the industry. But I feel like his true prime was in 99'.
I remember Redman saying something on a compilation track that I thought was a diss. "Flipmode's toilet bowls explode when Funk Doc come drops a shit load"
Gotta remember Busta featured Redman on his album first solo album the Coming on the cut Flip mode meets Def Squad so they really didn't have any problems at all it was the fans who concocted that bullshit
The both was takin shots when it came to Rahhhhh sounds.. Criag mack was also doing. Tha Ahhhhh sound.. Craig Mack production on his 1st album sound similar to Red 1st album
@@jarrelely1376 Red came out 90 on the EPMD song called Hardcore & Busta Rhymes style totally changed as soon as he was featured on Scenario before that he never rapped that way stop lying on this TH-cam comment section. First thing & main thing Busta stole was his adlibs. He figured he'd bite a bit here & there. He ain't take a lot cuz he ain't have his over all swag but he bit here & there from Red. Red started that grimey hood nigga style then Naughty By Nature as well came out with that but they wasn't biting cuz they both used to know each other in Jersey & used to have petty beef as young boys not rap. So really it's Jersey niggas who started this whole style. Honestly Treach started Bloods in hiphop on the east coast too. Cuz he signed the Road Dawgz from Mack 10's hood.
JackMonroe I have trouble hearing that.. what element specifically was he similar to Red in? Craig Mack sounds closer to Das Efx on their 3rd album. I think Das came after Craig with that style though.
Yawl stupid saying Busta had the style "way back in T.I.M.E" - that was '93, Red's debut was '92 & he was kicking shit in '91 too. Scenario was '91, I'll give yawl that. Red wasn't doing that style in '91. Look up "I'm getting blunted- Redman" that's an example of him in '91. I prefer red as an emcee, but I don't know if he's accurate in saying he originated it.
Redman is Eminem favorite rapper.. "I gotta list, heres the order of my list that its in.. it goes REGGIE, Jay Z, 2pac then biggie.. andre from ourkast, jada, kurupt, nas and then me..." -Eminem 'Til I Collapse'
I'm a super big fan of both Redman and Busta. I will totally agree that Muddy Waters and The Coming are pretty similar. They are both among my fav albums from 1996. I've also heard people compare the way Busta changed his flow to a guy named Capital LS's style. Busta has changed his style so many times over the years, he took some modes from Redman for sure, and added his flair to it.
Craig Mack sound & Beats was similar to Redman.. Busta flow & Sound wasnt like Redman.. Tha only issue I eva seen Was tha who did tha Ahhhhhhh & Rahhhhhhh noise 😎
@rollinstonemoula9689 red started the raaaaarrrr rrraaarrrr on muddy waters . At first busta did take reds style but after that he respectably changed up his style on his next album
Man busta was doing that since he was in the leaders of the new school group before redman came on the scene .raaw raaw like a dungeon dragon change ya little draws cause ya pants are sagging. That's with the tribe called quest song . Busta been doing dat stuff
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Redman is the best because it will not be no man after him Redman and then it was Method Man but still redman can still handle his own as being a legend he is
You can’t leave Kool G Rap out of the list of Eminem's influences. G Rap was one of the first if not the first doing multi syllable rhyme schemes that Em is so famous for.
bruhhhh i never knew red had beef with busta all these years, but honestly i knew something was up when Red spit that verse on Pick It Up "I originated all that wild shit, that raow raow shit",
+Al Dali Red was just letting it be known, they are brothers tho, so it wasn't like Beef like they want to get each other. Red just wantd the fans to know
+Karceno4Life i always wondered about (lords of the underground) listening to their 1st cassette on the title track (here come the lords) the make reference to other artists mimicking their style, which is possible because you can originate a style but someone else can get a contract before you. although it may have been sub disses like( you MCs couldn't touch me if your name was sticky fingers) could've been aimed at onyx. and on funky child they said ( we dropped psyco and everybody thought that it was das, it didn't effect me) (das effects) can you do a video on this? I'd like to know if they actually had beef
+Dre day not sure if it turned into a beef but if you go back and listen to LOTUG 1st album check out those songs psyco and here come the lords and you will here those lines i pointed out
They never had beef always been love between the two buuuut if it just came down to competing in the booth Redman would beat him soundly and Busta knows that.
RedMan over Busta. RedMan stayed on one team his entire loyal career. Constant albums and always touring. Busta is one of the best, no question, but Red over Buss..
Son...... These are not facts, I grew up with Busta and he was known before scenario and Redman... That's how he got on scenario cuz him and his dragon(not gutter) style was known and liked... They cool, red use to come to Uniondale and chill and he got on from his cousin K-solo ....IDK where you get yours info from but stop misleading people
What many dont acknowledged is Akinyle did that "Rah Raah" style way before Dirty, Redman & Busta. Go back & listen to Ak's first album. Not the "Put It In Your Mouth" album but his first joint. Thru the whole album Ak was "Rah Raahin'......
Me and a friend was listening to Disposable Arts and we're like Em sounds just like Masta Ace. I think D.A. came out, right around when Em was poppin'.
I thought rawl rawl real like a dungeon dragon came out before Redman.... what’s the scenario? Scenario came out in 1991... redman‘s first album came out in 1992 scenario was already recorded....
I've been listening to hip hop 34 years ...one thing I realized a long time ago is EVERYBODY in hip hop is a clone or spin off of someone else's style, in other words EVERYBODY is influenced by some one else in the game. Not only is music sampled styles are sampled and camouflage into something new. Pick any artist and you will 2-3 other MCs in their style or influence. Hip hop metamorphosizes with the times...
You're naming old school artist btw .. So I will have to look at their bios. Original Hip Hop 1970-1979 .. Old School 1980-1989 Golden Age 1990-1999 New School 2000-2009 Millennium Hip Hop 2010 -2019 Trans-Hip Hop 2020-2029 ... Coming soon the way things looking.
Intel-Pick My point is that neither of the two artists that I listed, got their styles from anyone. Why do they have to be labeled *old school?* Are the Beatles *ever* referred to as an *old school* rock band?
Good point but hip hop is a different animal imo. I labeled them because of the progressions or changes in the music during those periods. They got there style from some one believe me, we are all inspired by or look up to somebody...it could have been a pimp a hustla or master teacher but they modled some one ...just because you can't see or don't know who they modeled doesn't mean they didn't ... But I'll get back to you... Are you denying 1990-1999 was the golden age ???.I respect your opinion expand
Bruh we need that Eminem analysis flow breakdown ASAP... you'll get a lot of views being Eminem is the subject plus this is a decade old debate lets get it...
First of all get you're facts right red wasn't tearing nothing up at club sensations he wasn't even a rapper when he met epmd he was a DJ..the night he met epmd was his first time rapping at club sensations..do your homework
"I make Flipmode's toilet bowls explode, when DOC come drop a shitload". They did a song together on doc's the name, but pretty sure the radio version didn't have busta's verse on it
Yo, Karceno were still waiting on the top 5 albums of all time. Knowing u I bet u will say its Illmatic but it's really Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to hold us back. Also the top 5 groups, top 5 underrated groups, top 5 underrated albums, top 5 best year in hip hop (which is 1988.) I wanna test your knowledge man.
I'm still undecided to my top 5 albums. But I do know so far I have my top 3 in order. #1. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation Of Millions to Hold us Back, #2. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, #3. Ice Cube - Death Certificate.
I'm a huge Busta and Red Fan. It's clear as day that Busta Rhymes stole Redman's whole fucking style when he went solo, flow and delivery. Nothing anyone says can dispute that it's dated on video and wax.
No beef just friendly competition, Red came on the scene first in 1990 on " Hardcore " on EPMD's album Business As Usual. Busta came out in 1991 with Leaders of the new school afterwards, Reggie Noble did it first.
Kool keith is the most underrated Mc of all-time. he came out in 1985 86 he was a head of his time Eminem . and stole his concept. when he dropped black Elvis
The first Redman album I bought was Dare Iz a Darkside, Tonights da Night and Can't Wait was my favorite junts back then. Being from The Sip everybody thought I was crazy for listening to shit like that. I couldn't help that I liked the grimey lyrical shits.
North Trenton New Jersey Both. There are dope mc's with flow but lack subject matter. And there are dope mc's who have great content but lack flow. I can give u a sample of what I like by giving u my all time favorite mc's. Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, Nas, Krs One, Slick Rick, Ice Cube, Chuck D, Sticky Fingaz, Gza. With that being said Eminem isnt one of my favorites but I like him. He can spit but I dont dig Eminem's music at all.
Nope, reaching with this one. However, if you want to make amends, what is the scoop on the O.C. Vs Boot Camp beef ? The track on Jewelz called MUG is supposedly aimed at BCC...
Not even comparison here. The styles are totally different. At the end of the day. Some will walk the same way and do it similar. People influence each other sometimes, but styles are clearly apparent. They were better off doing songs together because they are cut from that cloth. It was always hardcore experimental shit with them. ODB fit in that category as well, but none of them sound alike or spit the same, so it make all good.
bro Karceno4Life gotta do the beef that broke up eric b and rakim and please someone finally do the ll and jay z beef that started when they battled in the 90s or late 80s
What song did Redman have out before "Scenario"? Prior to Busta Rhymes's "Raaawwll, Rawwlll, like a dungeon dragon.." I had never heard anyone do that style. That shit was brand new. Busta Rhymes and Leaders were considered elite at the time.
@@DennisCannonboogiewoogieman Yeah but listen to Redman's verse on "Brother act a Fool" and there's not a peep of that "Raaaawwwwllll, raaawwwllll....." until after Busta's verse on "Scenario". Actually he's kinda calm on the song because EPMD were laid back, so naturally he just tailored his style according to what they were doing at that time. After 1991, all them dudes including ODB and Onyx were heavily influenced by Busta's verse from "Scenario".
I disagree agree to an extent Karceno. I think that Red & Busta both originated their styles, and everyone bit off both of them. Onyx, the whole Dogg Pound, DMX, JARule etc,.. everyone who was tryna sound gutta/lyrical. You can't forget Treach either, who everyone was tryna even look like and move like(including the Wu &Tupac post Juice) males and females included. Busta did originate that raspy style as well as that "Rah Rah". You can hear it on LONS' first single "PTA".
Sorry, I'm from the east and no one ever said Busta bit Red's style. This is a big reach. Busta rapped with a west Indian ( Jamaica), Flatbush Brooklyn flare. Redman's gutta Jersey style ... you could not compare the two outside the lil ad lib.
The truth behind karceno beef with grammar 😂😂
boy is semi-illiterate, but of course as most ign'ant muhfuckers.. he thinks he the best thing since Einstein.
muddy waters a classic
Top 5 hip hop albums
I think you reaching on this one.
They didn't have beef
Agreed
haja
Red is one of the GREATEST of all time!
They never had beef....always did songs together....Even had Flip Mode vs Def Squad joint on Busta's first solo LP....Red said one time that he originated the "Row Row Shit," but I never thought much of it
Busta Rhymes was the first person I thought of... then Onyx... then MOP... then Nine.. then Rotten Raskalz... and so on and so forth.
Def vs Flip one of my favorite songs both crews killed it and nasty beat
They took shots with tha Ahhhhhh & Rahhhh Noise.. Redman on Pick it up.. Busta on still shinin.. I also think shots was takin at Craig Mack 😎
Maann ..props..you explained this perfectly
Wait....you tryna be the coming by busta rhymes was just aaaight??? WTF?? that first busta album is a stone cold classic
he lost me at that point too....
Honestly, as much as I respect busta for his abilities as an emcee.. I don't know if I fully agree with this.
I've had the album for 15 years, it's never really stuck to me.. the transitions between tracks & his song structure just isn't cohesive enough for it to be a solid record. He was fucking with a lot of time measures, which there's nothing wrong with, if you weave the songs together well.
No disrespect intended, he's still a legend in the industry. But I feel like his true prime was in 99'.
Phantom Stranger was the first fresh Prince album a classic?
Phantom Stranger yo word that album was a classic
Oliver Hernandez what about Father MC 1990 album Father's day? Was it a classic?
I remember Redman saying something on a compilation track that I thought was a diss.
"Flipmode's toilet bowls explode when Funk Doc come drops a shit load"
OldD1rtBas1ard Tear the roof off was Busts influenced. Busta had released a song with the same name.
OldD1rtBas1ard ..yea it was crzy
That was on Busta's Album Song was Def Squad meets Flipmode Squad
That was on "tear it off" collab from BLACKOUT album with Method Man
@@pamelacouncil4223 facts
Gotta remember Busta featured Redman on his album first solo album the Coming on the cut Flip mode meets Def Squad so they really didn't have any problems at all it was the fans who concocted that bullshit
i could tell they was dissin on that joint tho
I was just about to mention that song, I'm a big fan of both but never heard of beef
PREACH!!!! Bruh...I don't know WHERE this guy gets some of his info from, but this shit is innnnnnnnaccurate!!!
The both was takin shots when it came to Rahhhhh sounds.. Criag mack was also doing. Tha Ahhhhh sound.. Craig Mack production on his 1st album sound similar to Red 1st album
The T.I.M.E LP was an under-rated classic
Busts Rhymes had that style since Leader of the New School listen to the track "Case of the PTA" he always had that wild style
Red came out in 92, Busta came of with LOTNS in 91 they both had the same style before they came I can assume
Anthony Parker the 91 Busta rhymes vs the 91 fresh Prince? Who was the best mc?
@@jarrelely1376 Red came out 90 on the EPMD song called Hardcore & Busta Rhymes style totally changed as soon as he was featured on Scenario before that he never rapped that way stop lying on this TH-cam comment section. First thing & main thing Busta stole was his adlibs. He figured he'd bite a bit here & there. He ain't take a lot cuz he ain't have his over all swag but he bit here & there from Red. Red started that grimey hood nigga style then Naughty By Nature as well came out with that but they wasn't biting cuz they both used to know each other in Jersey & used to have petty beef as young boys not rap. So really it's Jersey niggas who started this whole style. Honestly Treach started Bloods in hiphop on the east coast too. Cuz he signed the Road Dawgz from Mack 10's hood.
He wasn't "rowwh, rowwhing" like a dungeon dragon until Scenario in '91, though.
Yeah Busta bit Redman's adlibs and rah rah style. But Busta has the voice and energy that fits that style way more.
if you find a bag of weed on the ground,pick it up pick it up.
"There's a lot of fake Chinos like Craig Mack's a fake Redman" - Chino XL
JackMonroe I have trouble hearing that.. what element specifically was he similar to Red in?
Craig Mack sounds closer to Das Efx on their 3rd album. I think Das came after Craig with that style though.
JackMonroe he was the new bizmarkie
JackMonroe was Chino xl better than Craig Mack? Also Chino xl vs Madd Skillz?
JackMonroe is Craig Mack better than Chino xl?
@@jarrelely1376 hell no chino way better
Yawl stupid saying Busta had the style "way back in T.I.M.E" - that was '93, Red's debut was '92 & he was kicking shit in '91 too.
Scenario was '91, I'll give yawl that. Red wasn't doing that style in '91. Look up "I'm getting blunted- Redman" that's an example of him in '91.
I prefer red as an emcee, but I don't know if he's accurate in saying he originated it.
Funniest part is that red man was in scenario video...before he was even known.
All facts 💯‼️
Redman is Eminem favorite rapper.. "I gotta list, heres the order of my list that its in.. it goes REGGIE, Jay Z, 2pac then biggie.. andre from ourkast, jada, kurupt, nas and then me..." -Eminem 'Til I Collapse'
Michael Coleman master ace
That shit changes too much! One min it's redman the next min it's treach from naughty.
what about master ace??
Michael Coleman I wonder if that was a count down and he's num 1 followed by nas
Michael Coleman Madd Skillz vs Eminem? Who was the best MC?
I'm a super big fan of both Redman and Busta. I will totally agree that Muddy Waters and The Coming are pretty similar. They are both among my fav albums from 1996. I've also heard people compare the way Busta changed his flow to a guy named Capital LS's style. Busta has changed his style so many times over the years, he took some modes from Redman for sure, and added his flair to it.
Craig Mack sound & Beats was similar to Redman.. Busta flow & Sound wasnt like Redman.. Tha only issue I eva seen Was tha who did tha Ahhhhhhh & Rahhhhhhh noise 😎
@rollinstonemoula9689 red started the raaaaarrrr rrraaarrrr on muddy waters . At first busta did take reds style but after that he respectably changed up his style on his next album
@@robW9636 Redman first album he was makin noises.. On EPMD head banger he was also makin Ahhhh noises.. 😎
@@rollinstonemoula9689 exactly he did it first
"I give props to real MC's like KRS-One
Kool G Rap, Buckshot, Busta..." Bobyahed2dis
Man busta was doing that since he was in the leaders of the new school group before redman came on the scene .raaw raaw like a dungeon dragon change ya little draws cause ya pants are sagging. That's with the tribe called quest song . Busta been doing dat stuff
That came out n 92.. Redman 1st album came out in 92 😎
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Redman & Bus-A-Bus never had beef
Redman is the best because it will not be no man after him Redman and then it was Method Man but still redman can still handle his own as being a legend he is
on muddy waters when red man said I originated all that raw raw shit I was like he definitely talking bout Busta rhymes
Yeah, me too... and Onyx... and MOP... because Onyx dropped in '93 and MOP in '94.
& Craig Mack.. Busta took a shot back on still shinin😎
You can’t leave Kool G Rap out of the list of Eminem's influences. G Rap was one of the first if not the first doing multi syllable rhyme schemes that Em is so famous for.
bra u know the real,G.Rap is the man ,dam they 4got Rakim ,and just talk about some white boy .wtf
Your right he stole it from I ain't no joke Rankim
Grandmaster Caz was the first to do multis, b... but Kane popularized them. Rakim had a multi style, too, but it wasn't constant.
If anything, Eminem's style is heavily influenced by Big L... especially due to the horrorcore content that was present early in Em's career.
@@KtotheG no its not....in all reality Eminem whole style is stolen from Treach just listen to Yoke the Joker. Eminem career is based off that song.
bruhhhh i never knew red had beef with busta all these years, but honestly i knew something was up when Red spit that verse on Pick It Up "I originated all that wild shit, that raow raow shit",
+Al Dali Red was just letting it be known, they are brothers tho, so it wasn't like Beef like they want to get each other. Red just wantd the fans to know
MUDDY WATERS CLASSIC! FUCK WITH NEW REDMAN MUDFACE!!!
+Karceno4Life i always wondered about (lords of the underground) listening to their 1st cassette on the title track (here come the lords) the make reference to other artists mimicking their style, which is possible because you can originate a style but someone else can get a contract before you. although it may have been sub disses like( you MCs couldn't touch me if your name was sticky fingers) could've been aimed at onyx. and on funky child they said ( we dropped psyco and everybody thought that it was das, it didn't effect me) (das effects) can you do a video on this? I'd like to know if they actually had beef
+j.smoov72 the lordz was beefin wit das efx
+Dre day not sure if it turned into a beef but if you go back and listen to LOTUG 1st album check out those songs psyco and here come the lords and you will here those lines i pointed out
I always thought they had a competitive beef.
They never had beef always been love between the two buuuut if it just came down to competing in the booth Redman would beat him soundly and Busta knows that.
Soundly???
"The goodness" song: Busta 1 verse and Redman 2 verses
RedMan over Busta. RedMan stayed on one team his entire loyal career. Constant albums and always touring. Busta is one of the best, no question, but Red over Buss..
Red and Meth
Khanstellation Publishing Busta rhymes vs will Smith? Who was the best mc?
This coulda been over in 2 mins. Just stretching it out reciting lyrics that don't have anything to do with the topic
Facts
Redman is the Goat
Duuuude you reached so hard with everything
Redman was asked about this video in a recent interview. He said he's seen it, but there's no beef, he and Busta are still tight.
Do you have a link?
Son...... These are not facts, I grew up with Busta and he was known before scenario and Redman... That's how he got on scenario cuz him and his dragon(not gutter) style was known and liked... They cool, red use to come to Uniondale and chill and he got on from his cousin K-solo ....IDK where you get yours info from but stop misleading people
He lived in Uniondale
Yeah known to people in your hood and his mama
Jaida Jones did you know Eddie Murphy and Charlie Murphy?
EMINEM GOT HIS STYLE FROM YOUNG ZEE FROM DA OUTSIDAZ FROM BRICKCITY NJ, RED NEVA HAD BEEF WIT BUSTA RHYMES GET DA FUCK OUTTA HERE BRUH
so so trru wtf is he talking about beef man please what a wast ao time to do this talk about the good they did bitch
If you look close you can see Redman eating fried chicken in the scenario video with Busta and Q-Tip 🤣
Original hip hop 1972-1982, Old school 1982-1992, Golden Age 1992-2002, New School 2002-2012, Millennium Hip Hop 2012-2022...
Bruh, you was buggin with the Rah,Rah! lmao! loved the comentary though.
What many dont acknowledged is Akinyle did that "Rah Raah" style way before Dirty, Redman & Busta. Go back & listen to Ak's first album. Not the "Put It In Your Mouth" album but his first joint. Thru the whole album Ak was "Rah Raahin'......
Bruh I grew up with Busta in long island. He never had beef with Redman. From Uniondale to Brooklyn busta never said shit about Redman😒😕🙄
I'm an OG and I NEVER heard of this beef back then. So this is hard to believe coming from you.
Rated R my favorite track🔥
"Instead of a driveby,fuck that I walk by and I spray shit;then carve my named in ya pavement."
Always thought Eminem sounded like Cage
***** Cage, Esham & AZ, Nas..On that Ep.Infinite...he's straight smooth QB style..then he got raw with the Cage type vibe..
Redman vs Busta Rhymes Verzuz Battle would be lit...!
Ludacris sounds like Redman & Eminem sounds like Masta Ace...
Me and a friend was listening to Disposable Arts and we're like Em sounds just like Masta Ace. I think D.A. came out, right around when Em was poppin'.
+Louis Mont I notice this lately
You are by far, one of my favorite spoken word historians ever, keep up the good work.
Flipmode's toilet bowl explode when Doc come drop a shit load....
Bugga tissues 😤up his nose Redman the most raw MC ever
My cousin loved Redman R.I.P Inky
There was never never never no beef between them!! Now Carseno is makin ' shit up... They was on each others record....What is he talkin' about??
Em has the sound of Proof, Reggie, Big L and LL . There are plenty of other influences but IMO those are the main 4
"Redman's da name,
Fool dats my nigga"
my manz
I thought rawl rawl real like a dungeon dragon came out before Redman.... what’s the scenario? Scenario came out in 1991... redman‘s first album came out in 1992 scenario was already recorded....
I've been listening to hip hop 34 years ...one thing I realized a long time ago is EVERYBODY in hip hop is a clone or spin off of someone else's style, in other words EVERYBODY is influenced by some one else in the game. Not only is music sampled styles are sampled and camouflage into something new. Pick any artist and you will 2-3 other MCs in their style or influence. Hip hop metamorphosizes with the times...
Intel-Pick {Pick any artist and you will 2-3 other MCs in their style or influence.}
*What about Slick Rick and Kool Moe Dee?*
Dana Dane .. kool Moe dee influenced LL cool j
You're naming old school artist btw .. So I will have to look at their bios. Original Hip Hop 1970-1979 .. Old School 1980-1989 Golden Age 1990-1999 New School 2000-2009 Millennium Hip Hop 2010 -2019 Trans-Hip Hop 2020-2029 ... Coming soon the way things looking.
Intel-Pick My point is that neither of the two artists that I listed, got their styles from anyone. Why do they have to be labeled *old school?* Are the Beatles *ever* referred to as an *old school* rock band?
Good point but hip hop is a different animal imo. I labeled them because of the progressions or changes in the music during those periods. They got there style from some one believe me, we are all inspired by or look up to somebody...it could have been a pimp a hustla or master teacher but they modled some one ...just because you can't see or don't know who they modeled doesn't mean they didn't ... But I'll get back to you... Are you denying 1990-1999 was the golden age ???.I respect your opinion expand
dude is wayy. off! lol... that's what I know from being around both.
Rated R is still my favorite Redman joint.
Bruh we need that Eminem analysis flow breakdown ASAP... you'll get a lot of views being Eminem is the subject plus this is a decade old debate lets get it...
Yeah, Redman, Craig mack, Busta either one you can't go wrong
First of all get you're facts right red wasn't tearing nothing up at club sensations he wasn't even a rapper when he met epmd he was a DJ..the night he met epmd was his first time rapping at club sensations..do your homework
"I make Flipmode's toilet bowls explode, when DOC come drop a shitload". They did a song together on doc's the name, but pretty sure the radio version didn't have busta's verse on it
redman will always be my favorite ever....
Yo, Karceno were still waiting on the top 5 albums of all time. Knowing u I bet u will say its Illmatic but it's really Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to hold us back. Also the top 5 groups, top 5 underrated groups, top 5 underrated albums, top 5 best year in hip hop (which is 1988.) I wanna test your knowledge man.
TheEdub1 to me illmatic it takes a nation of millions get rich or die trying the score and ill say unfinished business
I'm still undecided to my top 5 albums. But I do know so far I have my top 3 in order. #1. Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation Of Millions to Hold us Back, #2. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick, #3. Ice Cube - Death Certificate.
I said WHAT? Redman and busta Rhymes? Then you said every body gone say what? Redman and busta Rhymes. That shit was epic lol
They did records together before muddy waters, there was never a beef between redman and busta rhymes 💯
I'm a huge Busta and Red Fan. It's clear as day that Busta Rhymes stole Redman's whole fucking style when he went solo, flow and delivery. Nothing anyone says can dispute that it's dated on video and wax.
No beef just friendly competition, Red came on the scene first in 1990 on " Hardcore " on EPMD's album Business As Usual. Busta came out in 1991 with Leaders of the new school afterwards, Reggie Noble did it first.
Karceno Had me tripping when he said "Rwaaar raaar wraant! "
As soon as he said dirty work boots I thought about Detroit.
Redman never beefed with Busta Rhymes, this didn't happen.
Rap + Dust = Ol Dirty Bastard and a few others.
Kool keith is the most underrated Mc of all-time. he came out in 1985 86 he was a head of his time
Eminem . and stole his concept. when he dropped black Elvis
The first Redman album I bought was Dare Iz a Darkside, Tonights da Night and Can't Wait was my favorite junts back then. Being from The Sip everybody thought I was crazy for listening to shit like that. I couldn't help that I liked the grimey lyrical shits.
Dare iz a Darkside one of my Top 5
RED said that this album was not for everybody
Eminem style sounds like Redman and Kool Keith to me.
TheEdub1 master ace
TheEdub1 Eminem is Redman, LL Cool J and Treach
TheEdub1 Em just came out and said that reedman is his favorite artist of all time
TheEdub1 Subject matters or flows??
North Trenton New Jersey Both. There are dope mc's with flow but lack subject matter. And there are dope mc's who have great content but lack flow. I can give u a sample of what I like by giving u my all time favorite mc's. Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap, Nas, Krs One, Slick Rick, Ice Cube, Chuck D, Sticky Fingaz, Gza.
With that being said Eminem isnt one of my favorites but I like him. He can spit but I dont dig Eminem's music at all.
Eminem bit Redman style but no one ever called him out on it..Or maybe Redman wasn't famous enough for people to notice..
No, Redman was big back in the day. Muddy Waters is a classic
"Ask Hannibal Lecture pass the ketchup
Dont sleep on it shut ya trap I see your whole crew yellow like mustard packs" Redman- Wu tang -Redbull
Redman is one of the all time Greats, SO is Busta, Busta grew greatly by the mid 2 thousands
Nope, reaching with this one. However, if you want to make amends, what is the scoop on the O.C. Vs Boot Camp beef ? The track on Jewelz called MUG is supposedly aimed at BCC...
Not even comparison here. The styles are totally different. At the end of the day. Some will walk the same way and do it similar. People influence each other sometimes, but styles are clearly apparent. They were better off doing songs together because they are cut from that cloth. It was always hardcore experimental shit with them. ODB fit in that category as well, but none of them sound alike or spit the same, so it make all good.
Damn B! You made me want to listen to Redmans initial sermon.
N his skits of his albums is tight
I listened to that What thee Album joint ALL the time. Only listened to Dare iz a Darkside more. I wrote like Redman when I started. 11 or 12 yrs old
Lmao at the Woo-hah impression
Listen to the ad libs when they rhyme in the background
bro Karceno4Life gotta do the beef that broke up eric b and rakim and please someone finally do the ll and jay z beef that started when they battled in the 90s or late 80s
Redman wasn't the one who came up with the "Rawww yaaaw" stuff. In my opinion, it was KRS One.
also shady got alot of rhymes styles from big L, treach, and Da master (ace).......
Can’t listen to a critic who comes off as one sided and hypocritical.
Red Man checked Ludacris before too. Face to face. can you do a red Man vs Ludacris. Field mob vs Ludacris. Outkast break up/Killer Mike vs Big Boi
What song did Redman have out before "Scenario"? Prior to Busta Rhymes's "Raaawwll, Rawwlll, like a dungeon dragon.." I had never heard anyone do that style. That shit was brand new. Busta Rhymes and Leaders were considered elite at the time.
Redman was Epmd's Def Jam debut album Business as Usual in 1989 "Brother act a Fool" I forgot the name
@@DennisCannonboogiewoogieman Yeah but listen to Redman's verse on "Brother act a Fool" and there's not a peep of that "Raaaawwwwllll, raaawwwllll....." until after Busta's verse on "Scenario". Actually he's kinda calm on the song because EPMD were laid back, so naturally he just tailored his style according to what they were doing at that time.
After 1991, all them dudes including ODB and Onyx were heavily influenced by Busta's verse from "Scenario".
You blowin my mind right now son...crazy!!!
top rappers from of old school: KRS1, Rakim,Nas,LL Cooj, Canibus,Busta,Redman, keith Murphy, DMX and Jay z
Good list but it needs az pac beans n the lox
Get gay z off your list dam he a bum
I know they recently patch things up but can u do truth behind the camron and jim jones beef?
Damn I never thought how much they sound alike
what's the time in J dilla any track was the magic Busta Rhyme busta the flow
what's up karceno want you do something about K solo
Need that story behind Biggie vs. The Roots
Foolish....scenario came out way before red man...the hit squad for that matter.
I disagree agree to an extent Karceno. I think that Red & Busta both originated their styles, and everyone bit off both of them. Onyx, the whole Dogg Pound, DMX, JARule etc,.. everyone who was tryna sound gutta/lyrical. You can't forget Treach either, who everyone was tryna even look like and move like(including the Wu &Tupac post Juice) males and females included. Busta did originate that raspy style as well as that "Rah Rah". You can hear it on LONS' first single "PTA".
Then on Docs da name Album, side 2 track 1 with Busta on it, Peace was made and life went on, Peace 2 Both!
Karceno you the truth man you the truth