There are a few scenes in the trailer that aren't in the movie and I'm really annoyed because those were actually clips I was looking forward to seeing the context for.
@@ImpressionBlend Yeah, I was wondering how we would get to the steps and then was thinking it would just be in Arthur’s head like other sequences which became a bit lazy. Never mind, we don’t get the scene at all.
I actually really enjoyed it. I loved the look of it the musical elements and themes explored i loved it yeah it wasnt as good as the great first one but i still loved it
I’ve been saying for a while that if it wasn’t for Joaquin Phoenix, the original Joker wouldn’t have been nearly as good since Todd Phillips didn’t seem to have much to say. I was hoping this sequel would prove me wrong and I’ve never been more sad to be proven right.
Total agreement on Leigh Gill as Gary. Probably my favorite scene of the film. It’s the first time I felt some emotional connection with the film. So much of the Joker persona is a symbol for the disenfranchised and downtrodden, yet Gary is a little person (even when he’s introduced you can hear people laugh at his size), and he tells about the trauma Arthur inflicted onto him by killing Randall in the first film, and tells Arthur that, “I felt so small. I was reminded how powerless I really am.” Such a heartbreaking moment and a great performance with limited screen time, but it forces the audience to consider how worse off someone more marginalized than Arther ends up being simply due to being friends. They both were nice to each other, yet Arthur makes himself feel more of a victim, never considering what it’s like to be in Gary’s position. Even Arthur makes him feel worse by mocking his accent. It’s a unique angle that shows the flip side of Arthur’s embrace of Joker that I wish the film explored more.
I remember reading about a theater owner in Europe years ago who decided to edit out all the musical numbers in "The Sound Of Music". Sounds like a plan.
shoulda made the movie from Harleys POV starting out as a courtroom physiatrist assigned to Arthur, at first she sees him as another crazy guy but as the court goes on she sympathizes more and more with him and his ideals. have Arthur as more of background character. i think that would have been much more interesting.
This movie is very bad and I was annoyed watching it in the theater. The courtroom drama was so boring. There are so many great courtroom dramas and this utterly failed. Then what the guards do isn’t addressed at all at the end of the movie which made it feel useless. It escalated so much with their final scenes where it is a pointless movie.
@@ImpressionBlend It felt like someone who wanted to do a trial and then never even watched an episode of Law and Order let alone an actual great courtroom drama. It makes me think that Todd Phillips didn’t see A Few Good Men or My Cousin Vinny which aren’t deep cuts. The implied rape offscreen and that death of an inmate not being addressed whatsoever made it just needless to do in the movie towards the end. It’s like, “Here are 2 awful things that happened. Oh well, the movie continues.” The treatment of prisoners was an absolute lay up and wasn’t dug into really at all.
It sounds this movie does a.thing which infiriates me the most in sequels. In the original our protagonist achieves something: learns a new skill, overcomes his fear, finally mautres emotionally or whatever the original movie might be about. And then the sequel resets the whole thing and treats it as irrelevant. At that point I treat the said sequel as irrelevant and treat it as non existent.
I wish Arthur turned into the joker when the bombed exploded, accepting who he really is exactly how he turned into him in joker 1 when the joker took matters into his own hands. The alleged “new” joker’s laugh was trash, this movie got me sad and angry at the same time…
I was actually thinking weeks ago this could be one of those sequels that's better than the original, but then started seeing all the reviews on youtube lol.
I can already tell the 2nd weekend drop for this is gonna be so huge based on what I’m hearing. Looking forward to Wild Robot taking the #1 spot again next weekend!
I just wanted to hear that Brendan Gleeson comes out unscathed. He's such a killer actor. I bet the musical aspects would have gone over better with story relevant original pop songs instead of bad jazz covers. I mean, they had Lady Gaga!
Hmm feels like they didn't want to or were prevented from going to the Dark despair pressure cooker that hit home with the first Joker. I guess they forgot that Joker is a villain that embraces anarchy not an anti-hero they might be trying to cookie cutter him into. Quite a shame had high hopes, now wondering if I should refund my ticket or not. Thanks for the heads up as always Marianna (:
I do think Todd Phillips gets a lot of flack from some critics because he isn't an indie darling who finally made it. He's a guy who made popular frat boy comedies, then leap frogged into getting Oscar Noms. If Greta Gerwig had made Joker and made it the exact same way. The same critics bashing Todd would have loved Joker and praised it.
I knew I didn’t want to see Joker 2 the moment I ended watching the first one, which is a big overrated piece of crap - the great acting of Phoenix is lipstick on a pig. It must suck to be Todd Phillips: you make a hit and a ton of money and then eeeeverybody insist on you making a sequel and you do it to piss eeeeeverybody of. Check your contract before signing, Todd!
Great review! Probably going to skip this one, or just wait for it to stream and then maybe give it a shot, but I'm not psyched for it. Interestingly, a friend on Facebook who reviews theater for a living posted about seeing it. She actually really loved it! She didn't detail the ins and outs, but I'm wondering if she got swept up by the theatrical elements.
I’m skipping this movie in theaters. Mainly because it’s a musical which to me doesn’t feel it goes with a film like this. So yeah , I’m not wasting my time and money for it.
I really liked it. I get why it's divisive, and I do agree that the pacing isn't perfect and the direction is all over the place, but the film still worked for me. I loved the chemistry of Joaquin and Gaga even though i wanted more of her. The cinematography and production design were excellent, and I loved the song choices, too. I do also think that one of the things why people are being harsh on it because they want Arthur to be Joker rather than saying he doesn't want to be Joker. I do want to watch it again to see if my opinion changes.
I’m very mixed on this film. It looks beautiful and is very well acted. And I admire what it’s trying to say, including being a surprisingly aggressive commentary on how some people viewed the first film. But it’s not able to say any of it in a way that is cohesive or fully developed. I will say the scene with Leigh Gill returning as Gary I thought was a standout scene to the point where I kinda felt he stole the show despite only being in one scene. And while I did enjoy some of the musical sequences and covers (I currently have Gaga’s version of “Close to You” stuck in my head), the choice to make it musical just felt superficial to try to be “different” and doesn’t add anything to the story overall. Can’t say I disliked this film as much as others, but it’s still a big disappointing step down from the first one.
Might try to watch it when it comes out on streaming but also big chance may skip it altogether. I haven't heard anyone say they liked it so probably won't even waste my time with it.
I'm not surprise of all of the negative review I've been hearing about this film, Marianna. I still don't know why this film was made other than Warner Brothers doing a crash grab because the first film made over a billion dollars,
@@ImpressionBlend Ha fair. No matter what anyone says, Freddie Mercury is THE Queen. No singer is better than him except Celine Dion, but he could write and play instruments on too of that.
I'm really disappointed after watching Joker: Folie á Deux as making a sequel transformed a musical didn't go well at all getting to know the first Joker was a real success. So, none of us will understand why they ruined this movie on purpose.
The trailer having Joker and Harley on the steps with that scene not being in the movie itself was baffling honestly.
There are a few scenes in the trailer that aren't in the movie and I'm really annoyed because those were actually clips I was looking forward to seeing the context for.
@@ImpressionBlend Yeah, I was wondering how we would get to the steps and then was thinking it would just be in Arthur’s head like other sequences which became a bit lazy. Never mind, we don’t get the scene at all.
I actually really enjoyed it. I loved the look of it the musical elements and themes explored i loved it yeah it wasnt as good as the great first one but i still loved it
I’ve been saying for a while that if it wasn’t for Joaquin Phoenix, the original Joker wouldn’t have been nearly as good since Todd Phillips didn’t seem to have much to say. I was hoping this sequel would prove me wrong and I’ve never been more sad to be proven right.
Oh absolutely! People were mad at my mixed feelings "Joker" review back in the day, but this just further proves the point.
I guess this is what happens when they can''t copy Taxi Driver again
Total agreement on Leigh Gill as Gary. Probably my favorite scene of the film. It’s the first time I felt some emotional connection with the film. So much of the Joker persona is a symbol for the disenfranchised and downtrodden, yet Gary is a little person (even when he’s introduced you can hear people laugh at his size), and he tells about the trauma Arthur inflicted onto him by killing Randall in the first film, and tells Arthur that, “I felt so small. I was reminded how powerless I really am.” Such a heartbreaking moment and a great performance with limited screen time, but it forces the audience to consider how worse off someone more marginalized than Arther ends up being simply due to being friends. They both were nice to each other, yet Arthur makes himself feel more of a victim, never considering what it’s like to be in Gary’s position. Even Arthur makes him feel worse by mocking his accent. It’s a unique angle that shows the flip side of Arthur’s embrace of Joker that I wish the film explored more.
I remember reading about a theater owner in Europe years ago who decided to edit out all the musical numbers in "The Sound Of Music". Sounds like a plan.
That man is a hero!
Honestly, all of the issues I had with this were the same issues I had with the first film.
0:32 pardon my french ❤
shoulda made the movie from Harleys POV starting out as a courtroom physiatrist assigned to Arthur, at first she sees him as another crazy guy but as the court goes on she sympathizes more and more with him and his ideals. have Arthur as more of background character. i think that would have been much more interesting.
This movie is very bad and I was annoyed watching it in the theater. The courtroom drama was so boring. There are so many great courtroom dramas and this utterly failed. Then what the guards do isn’t addressed at all at the end of the movie which made it feel useless. It escalated so much with their final scenes where it is a pointless movie.
It's honestly impressive how poorly the courtroom drama element plays, I don't know how they messed it up so badly.
@@ImpressionBlend It felt like someone who wanted to do a trial and then never even watched an episode of Law and Order let alone an actual great courtroom drama. It makes me think that Todd Phillips didn’t see A Few Good Men or My Cousin Vinny which aren’t deep cuts. The implied rape offscreen and that death of an inmate not being addressed whatsoever made it just needless to do in the movie towards the end. It’s like, “Here are 2 awful things that happened. Oh well, the movie continues.” The treatment of prisoners was an absolute lay up and wasn’t dug into really at all.
It sounds this movie does a.thing which infiriates me the most in sequels. In the original our protagonist achieves something: learns a new skill, overcomes his fear, finally mautres emotionally or whatever the original movie might be about. And then the sequel resets the whole thing and treats it as irrelevant. At that point I treat the said sequel as irrelevant and treat it as non existent.
Just saw it today and not only was it underwhelming, the story was so unfocused and Harley Quinn was extremely underutilized
I skipped and watched The Wild Robot instead lol
Wise choice lol
Ouch! I had moderate hopes it was going to be good. 😢
Yeaaaa same
I wish Arthur turned into the joker when the bombed exploded, accepting who he really is exactly how he turned into him in joker 1 when the joker took matters into his own hands. The alleged “new” joker’s laugh was trash, this movie got me sad and angry at the same time…
I thought that's where they were going with this, which was repetitive but at least made sense, but we got... what we got?
@@ImpressionBlend basically the joker choked 😞
He already enhanced the Joker persona in the first movie, this one is pointless.
I was actually thinking weeks ago this could be one of those sequels that's better than the original, but then started seeing all the reviews on youtube lol.
I can already tell the 2nd weekend drop for this is gonna be so huge based on what I’m hearing. Looking forward to Wild Robot taking the #1 spot again next weekend!
This film felt like one uneventful fever dream that ill foeget in about 1 day
I just wanted to hear that Brendan Gleeson comes out unscathed. He's such a killer actor.
I bet the musical aspects would have gone over better with story relevant original pop songs instead of bad jazz covers. I mean, they had Lady Gaga!
Hmm feels like they didn't want to or were prevented from going to the Dark despair pressure cooker that hit home with the first Joker. I guess they forgot that Joker is a villain that embraces anarchy not an anti-hero they might be trying to cookie cutter him into. Quite a shame had high hopes, now wondering if I should refund my ticket or not. Thanks for the heads up as always Marianna (:
Honestly, if they don't want that sweet, dark despair then why make this movie at all?
I do think Todd Phillips gets a lot of flack from some critics because he isn't an indie darling who finally made it. He's a guy who made popular frat boy comedies, then leap frogged into getting Oscar Noms. If Greta Gerwig had made Joker and made it the exact same way. The same critics bashing Todd would have loved Joker and praised it.
I knew I didn’t want to see Joker 2 the moment I ended watching the first one, which is a big overrated piece of crap - the great acting of Phoenix is lipstick on a pig. It must suck to be Todd Phillips: you make a hit and a ton of money and then eeeeverybody insist on you making a sequel and you do it to piss eeeeeverybody of. Check your contract before signing, Todd!
Usually don't care for sequels. Was really looking forward to this, but now not so much.
Great review! Probably going to skip this one, or just wait for it to stream and then maybe give it a shot, but I'm not psyched for it. Interestingly, a friend on Facebook who reviews theater for a living posted about seeing it. She actually really loved it! She didn't detail the ins and outs, but I'm wondering if she got swept up by the theatrical elements.
Ooo I'd love to know why she felt that way, because even Dolby didn't save this for me.
Kind of ties in with the rest of reviews i've seen - such a shame was hoping it wasn't going to another script disaster
Should've been a one and done but money talks 🙄
I wasn't a big fan of the first movie. With this one, the critics and audience score on RT are about the same. Ouch!!!
I’m skipping this movie in theaters. Mainly because it’s a musical which to me doesn’t feel it goes with a film like this. So yeah , I’m not wasting my time and money for it.
Joker 2 is Todd Phillips masterpiece of what not to do for a Joker sequel. Pure utter garbage 😝
I really liked it. I get why it's divisive, and I do agree that the pacing isn't perfect and the direction is all over the place, but the film still worked for me. I loved the chemistry of Joaquin and Gaga even though i wanted more of her. The cinematography and production design were excellent, and I loved the song choices, too. I do also think that one of the things why people are being harsh on it because they want Arthur to be Joker rather than saying he doesn't want to be Joker. I do want to watch it again to see if my opinion changes.
Fantastic Review You Made A Lot Of Great Points I Saw This Movie Today And My Review Will Be On My Channel Tonight
I’m very mixed on this film. It looks beautiful and is very well acted. And I admire what it’s trying to say, including being a surprisingly aggressive commentary on how some people viewed the first film. But it’s not able to say any of it in a way that is cohesive or fully developed. I will say the scene with Leigh Gill returning as Gary I thought was a standout scene to the point where I kinda felt he stole the show despite only being in one scene. And while I did enjoy some of the musical sequences and covers (I currently have Gaga’s version of “Close to You” stuck in my head), the choice to make it musical just felt superficial to try to be “different” and doesn’t add anything to the story overall. Can’t say I disliked this film as much as others, but it’s still a big disappointing step down from the first one.
I thought the first one was pointless as well
Might try to watch it when it comes out on streaming but also big chance may skip it altogether.
I haven't heard anyone say they liked it so probably won't even waste my time with it.
I'm not surprise of all of the negative review I've been hearing about this film, Marianna. I still don't know why this film was made other than Warner Brothers doing a crash grab because the first film made over a billion dollars,
With the word-of-mouth being overwhelmingly negative, I wonder how much cash they will even grab
Uh, yeah…I’ll pass.
Oh no! I’m gonna skip it in theaters. Will catch up in streaming, probably going to be on Max in a few months.
Oh yea, safe bet. I think seeing it in Dolby improved the experience for me, but I wouldn't recommend spending money on it unless you're a megafan
I actually enjoyed the movie. I really liked the court drama scenes. I do understand why tons dont want this movie to exist
Man, maybe I've just seen too many courtroom dramas and my expectations were too high... I was so let down by that part
Waiting for A SERBIAN FILM 2
I loved that movie.
The repeating ideas and musical element makes me not want to watch this in the cinema.
I don't blame you, especially with that runtime
Its not Lady Gaga, it's Ladyyyy GaaaaGAAAA. She's in a Batman film 😉
I'm still salty she stole a Queen song for her name
@@ImpressionBlend Ha fair. No matter what anyone says, Freddie Mercury is THE Queen. No singer is better than him except Celine Dion, but he could write and play instruments on too of that.
Don't think I have heard one positive review yet. This has dud written all over it.
i just watched the joker 2 it was ok the first one is much beter
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Read this in Darth Vader voice....
Marianna 😍
Meh. Musical.
How the hell did this movie not even have Batman?! Good Lord! 🤦♀️😂
I'm really disappointed after watching Joker: Folie á Deux as making a sequel transformed a musical didn't go well at all getting to know the first Joker was a real success. So, none of us will understand why they ruined this movie on purpose.
This 'movie' will be as bad as Kamala trying to beat Trump lmao...
They’re eating dogs! They’re eating cats! They’re…..eating………….. pets!
What does this have to do with the Joker?