@@FrozenTarocould be a time constraint thing. Hide your tacos miyazaki has a ton of good ideas but sometimes he runs out of time to make it all happen.
Maybe the Hyetta and Kale quelestlines intersected in a way they didn't know how best to resolve and they decided it was easier to cut one of them or they felt it went a bit to dark even if I'd have loved to see it.
I'll never understand that mentality. It's equivalent to Russian badgers video about how he just kills everyone to sleep in a bed and helps the legion just because. Some real psychopaths
I think the big misunderstanding Nux has about the Frenzied Flame is that it doesn't usher in a new age of chaos. It ushers in an age of *nothing*, complete and total destruction of all life. The absolute end of everything. Finito, end of story. Game over, no take-backs. The flame consumes all. Only Melina remains, to forever walk in an empty world devoid of life once she ends your reign by dealing you the lovely gift of Destined Death. The Frenzied Flame is existential nihilism taken to its most destructive extreme.
Yep. It is understandable why some think they want this. Truth be told, nobody actually wants this. They just want the people who wronged them to suffer.
You think you're gonna be getting Elden Ring's Age of Dark equivalent. You think you're freeing the world from oppressive order and muting the influence of Outer Gods. Instead, you become an instrument of cosmic convergence and cause the unmaking of all things.
Players: "I choose chaos!" Lore: "You chose nothingness." Players: "..." 😮😢😭 EDIT: Seriously. I feel like this is a massive trap for the people who just assumed chaos would mean anarchy or disorder, but the absence of all order in Elden Ring amounts to total convergence. You're not choosing to purge the world of outer influence or giving rise to some unknowable new age. You are purging the server without notice.
Hyetta outright tells you outside of the Three Fingers' door. Besides, an "end to all suffering" doesn't sound like anarchy, it sounds like the end of everything.
I feel like Nux talked a lot more about chaos in a societal sense where as with me, the Frenzied Flame was always more about life not being worth living
the thing about burning yourself instead of your maiden is probably the most selfish thing you can do in all of the game's lore, you rob your maiden of the destiny she herself accepted and wants to be a part of to make room for a new age to fix the world, but by burning yourself out of a desire to save that person you disappear with all the meaning of their life, instead of fixing the world you become destined to destroy it because the end of the frenzied flame is not about a new beginning, it's about an ending, a definitive ending. when you give into absolute order everything becomes static and immobile, when you give into absolute chaos nothing has meaning and that's horrible because without a meaning the unified whole in the end is nothing, accepting chaos is not about accepting change, it is about denying life because not even death does it, death is still part of life and life of death, the golden order rejected death but chaos makes the same mistake and denies life, in the end two or three, you still fell for the lies of the fingers, and if all this in the beginning was for someone you cared about... in the end there is no one else you could care about and the person you did all this for, it is also the same one that will hunt you until the bitter end to kill you and try to save anything that has not yet been burned by you. In the end, my dear tarnished... was your selfishness in trying to save something and denying everything else worth it for you?
I am very deep into the frenzied flame from a lore perspective but I noticed two things for the first time thanks to your comment 1. choosing to fall for the lies of the two or three fingers is similar to falling to the lies of Kaath and Frampt from DS1 2. there's a parallel with the Golden Order rejecting death and the frenzied flame rejecting life yet both of these extremes are very human. if you have lost people you love you don't want to loose anything ever again and if you have suffered greatly and seen others endure the same or worse then you might just want it all to end
chaos dissolves all differences, so we become nothing, order makes fractures, so life is and more life will come from fractures, we deny order and everything worth fighting for goes together, without differences what love is worth without hate to compare? in the end it becomes nothing
Yeah, unless of course you do Millicent's questline and get Miquella's needle, then go to Placidusax's arena and stab yourself with said needle thus freeing you from the frenzied flame/three fingers influence.
The thing about the frenzied flame that you might have missed is that it's about nihilism. The philosophy that life in itself is meaningless and would be better gone than to actually endure the pain of just being alive in a cruel and unjust world. If you want to actually learn the lore and philosophy behind the frenzied flame. Then I'll recommend watching Ratatoskrs video on what is the frenzied flame.
Also, in this ending, you condemn Melina to spend an eternity on a dead, silent world completely alone. She has every reason in the world to want to kill you.
Well, not you. Not exactly. You choose to divest yourself of everything by accepting the Frenzied Flame. Upon beating the Elden Beast, you are possessed by the flame. You cease to be yourself and become a vessel for the flame.
@@silverblade357 Makes sense to me. Always got the feeling that you don't really become the lord of frenzied flame. Rather, it becomes you. The movements you make after you get back up with the flaming head always seemed...off. Got a similar feeling with Midra and I imagine it's a similar case: Midra is dead and the thing that we fight is the frenzied flame wearing his headless corpse like a suit.
Not exactly. The Frenzied Flame is not the antithesis of life, because it doesn't prevent new life from coming to the Lands Between. All it does is destroy everything that's already there and wipe the slate clean for whatever wants to start the next cycle and disrupt the tranquil state of nothing and lifelessness the Frenzied Flame enjoys. Everything starts at nothing, and the Frenzied Flame exists to inevitably return all things to nothing so that something new might inevitably bring about a miracle that fills the empty vacuum.
@@Brutalyte616 yes that does, no more births, no more souls, perhaps this will not prevent life from returning forcibly through the action of the greater will act in favor of this, but the frenzied flame will certainly try to guarantee that this will not happen as its objective is literally to end the life in any way possible, the greater will already abandoned the lands between a long time ago, even before Marika became a goddess, if she had any attention focused on the lands between she would have already sent a new meteor or sent another envoy to resolve things but she just doesn't because she has a thousand other worlds to spend her attention on
@@Mare_Man It doesn't though. The Outer Gods still exist, and there are things outside The Lands Between, other lands and other worlds, that the Frenzied Flame cannot reach, as evidenced by the countless Erdtrees we see in the fight against the Elden Beast. Every star in the sky is a cosmic entity waiting to crash into the world at the behest of the Greater Will or some other cosmic entity, and introducing new life to the world is something very much within their power to do. The next cycle starts because the Frenzied Flame burns itself out, killing off all of its own followers, leaving only the very killable Lord of Frenzy to try and resist the next incursion from beyond, and the Frenzied Flame's power is not absolute considering the work of a single Empyrean is able to overpower its influence. Everything that is might die and be removed, but a miracle already brought about the world once, and it will surely do so again amidst the ashes of a dead world.
Vyke actually kinda cured himself of the madness by removing his infected eye that you actually find after you defeat Vyke at the church of anhibition. It is very likely that he imprisoned himself to stop himself from becoming the lord of frenzied flame. His name was "Roundtable Knight Vyke" in the gaol. Tarnished Archaeologist covered the friendzied flame very detailed in his video with real life history references.
These scene cuts that Nux added are so fucking abrupt. When I try to watch this, it feels like I’m constantly being shocked back to life before passing out again.
He definitely misses the point that this ending isn't destroying the current order for a new one, its destroying the current order, then everything else as well and then leaving it like that. Destroying Everything and Everyone and keeping it that way.
So many stories have demonized Order as stagnation and glorified Chaos as freedom (or something like that), that when they see another story involving Order and Chaos, people like Nux assume that it's going to be the same and that Chaos is the right answer. Doesn't help that previous FromSoft games also involve cycles or the ending of one era and beginning of the next. I think that's one of the twists of Elden Ring. This time Chaos is truly bad, and Order is the way things should be. Chaos is the permanent end of everything. No rebirth, no new era. At least with Order, there is life. And each era has its own Order and way of doing things. The Ancient Dragons had their own Order, then it got replaced and life continued. And so things would continue after Marika's reign and the one after that. The only way life would return to the Lands Between after the Frenzied Flame ending is if the Greater Will returns and creates new life by sending a new Crucible. And who knows how many millenia that will take?
Upvote this so Nux sees it because I think he'll appreciate it: GRRM's contributions were to create the general setting and characters essentially as bowling pins for Miyazaki to utterly wrecking ball and make the ravaged Lands Between as we know them. Personally this knowledge brings me great joy, and I hope it does for you too.
Somebody tell Nux that theres already 2 dead women he can take the blood from for mohgwyn palace. And that some of the best items in the game are from not killing NPCs hell you can get some items from npcs anyway because sometimes they'll die at the end of their quest
The world is filled with sound. The sound of a scream. The sound of a cry for help. The sound of chaos. But those sounds are also part of the melody of life.
I like how this video is supposed to bring tears to your eyes, but nux doesn't allow the video to play for more than four seconds at a time. Snuffing out any emotional impact the video could have otherwise had.
Isn’t Ranni’s ending technically the best one? It’s an actual new age, an age of stars. Nothing is certain but together we all can press on into the unknown. Gold masks is just a more pg golden order, the duskborne is like taking your hands off the wheel, basic ending continues the status quo, and the dung eater ending is actually just a middle finger to everyone. Ranni’s genuinely feels neutral without leaving the lands between leaderless and fractured.
The big theory with Melina is that she is a character in the lore known as the glommed eyed queen, and that the god skins serve/worked/were her followers who are the keepers of destined death or that they just want to release destined death back upon the world.
42:30 Ranni and the Moon does that. There was some mistranslation in regard to the English version, but in the Japanese she basically promises to leave everyone alone and keep them safe from the other outer gods while not interfering with everyone's life. Allowing them complete agency.
If you beat Melania at the Helix Erdtree, have Miquella's Needle, and then use the needle at the dragon boss fight in Farm Azula, you can avoid the chaos ending. In fact, alot of people do this to spare your maiden by burning themselves, and then removing the frenzy later. I did this and did the Age of Stars ending.
The thing about the "Eye for an Eye" line in the Bible is often taken in a bad light, but it was said for a good reason. Back in those days, it was common for people, nobles and those of authority in particular, to issue out punishments that were excessive to the crime made. Kind of like how the punishment for Theft was to cut off the persons hand. An Eye for an Eye was said to say that the price of wrongdoing should be proportional to the punishment, not a head for an eye.
There was a quest with Kale that had to do with the frenzied flame, but it's cut content. He went down the capital and found what had happened to his people, which prompted him to want to become that which the golden order feared, what they thought they were, but he failed, and he paid a steep prize. His will broken, body burnt and soul tainted, because he tried to become the host of the frenzied flame, a flame that denied him, leaving him as a husk of his former self, agonizing under the capital, with the husks of his former comrades, unable to move, but still capable of feeling, feeling his body burn forever, a burn that reaches even the soul, and only one thing to keep him from losing himself, the song he plays when you don't interact with him, the one with the violin, so you see him in a decrepit state, almost a corpse, playing his song, in order to not lose what little is left of him, what little is left of his people.
If I had a dollar for every time nux went on a rant about an “unanswered” question just for it to be answered in less than 5 seconds I’d be a millionaire
vyke is the chadliest chad that ever gigad. He was the lover of a dragon, almost became elden lord, had a spirit so vengeful it escaped his gaol, and had mad respect and didnt want to kill an innocent person in his persuit of greatness. Vyke is a badass.
'In the warp a giant stirred; an image flickered through a mind larger than a nebula. The sleep of Gork was troubled. In his dreams he wore a metal body and led his children to victory. The dream lasted a brief instant of long eternity, something about it caused Gork to smile but not to rouse. In the warp Mork too was disturbed. He dreamed of war spreading like a green stain across the galaxy. He saw billions of his children following giant warmachines built in his crude image on a great crusade. He found the dream good. And slowly his vast mind moved towards wakefulness. Gork and Mork stirred. Their dreams reached out and touched the dreams of their people. A billion Orks turned in their sleep; suddenly, inexplicably infected by scenes of slaughter and reaving, plunder and the taking of worlds. When they awoke they looked on their surroundings and found them dull. Gork struggled towards awareness. After centuries of dormancy it was a long process. He sensed other Powers in the warp trying to interfere. He blocked a subtle tendril from Slaanesh, ignored a baleful warning from the Emperor, discounted the triumphant cry of Khorne. He reached out with his millennia-old mind and gathered the strength of his people. Soon he would be awake and active. A body of steel had been prepared for him. A time of blood and iron was approaching. As Mork gathered strength many a Warboss found himself afflicted with thoughts of power. Ancient ambitions were re-kindled. Long vanished thoughts of conquest stirred in the recesses of slow minds. They planned raids on nearby Humans and toyed with thoughts of alliances with old rivals. Not even great soul-searching could explain why this was so. The Ancient Powers knew what was happening, though. The Waa-Ork was coming. Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icolbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a starscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craft-world Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his water-chimes and began composing his death-haiku, feeling his life had been justified. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries. Gork felt his attention being tugged towards one tiny world on the edge of Orkdom. A strange attraction drew him to it. He leaned down from warpspace and looked upon it. His breath brought storms in the Ash Desert. His gaze caused machines to break down. His lightest tread brought earthquakes. Seeing the disruption he was causing among his people he withdrew. He knew the time was not yet right for his return. He withdrew but he left a message. Mork moved on the face of the warp, brushing aside Daemons and ignoring ancient barriers set by long dead Gods. He moved from world to world and placed in the heart of every Ork the desire to be restless, to move, to follow the siren call of adventure when it came. He sensed other Powers subtly striving to oppose him and laughed as their attempts to restrain his crude, irresistible purpose. The Emperor knew that he must save his people. If Gork and Mork unleashed their hordes then any unprepared worlds would be swept aside by a green tide of death The Emperor bent his thoughts to the task. Across Human space, within the range of the Astronomicon, Imperial Tarot began to foretell disaster. Commanders consulting them found all the signs of impending catastrophe on a cosmic scale. In the Segmentum Obscura, Battlefleets were recalled and prepared for war. On the homeworlds of the Adeptus Astartes, Space Marines reached for their weapons, knowing their time of destiny was near. On the edges of the Eye Of Terror, the Orders of the Adeptus Titanicus roused their ancient war-machines. Having surveyed his Empire and seen it was ready the dying immortal within the Golden Throne prepared himself for the conflict to come. Gork and Mork knew that they were ready. Their people were agitated and prepared for battle The Emperor, their chosen enemy, had deployed his forces. The first skirmishes had been fought, now war was about to be joined. Beyond them they sensed the Chaos Powers watching, waiting to see what advantage the God-brothers' actions might bring them. In the darkest pits of creation twisted creatures prepared to follow the Orks' advance. Gork and Mork did not care. They knew they were strong enough to resist Chaos. The time was right. The time was now. It was time for Gork and Mork to have some fun. In the Warp Gork and Mork waited, well pleased. Across the face of a million worlds their children were on the move, a green tide that would topple empires and re-shape the Universe. The Waa-Ork was on the move.' I will post this on all of your videos until you watch Baldemort's: The Secret History of the Orks.
People misunderstanding Ranni's ending because of the mistranslations. Her ending isnt an order in of itself and more of her trying to distance order from the world. To distance the outer gods influence on the word so that they no longer have power over people. Its a voyage away from whatever orders that was offered to us throughout the game and instead a journey to find our own truth. To decide for ourselves, along with every other individual what path in life is best for them instead of outer gods meddling with our affairs and dictating and influencing us on what path or order we should take.
True order is not built on subjectivity, for subjectivity implies relativity. Relativity logicaly leads to absolute uncertainty and contradiction. Which is a wellspring of chaos. True order is objective and absolute, and thus it cannot come from any man. What is good is written in our hearts. Yet, even if we know what is good, we often do the oposite. That is not rational. That is chaos. Corruption. The entropic state of existence. No order built upon man is true order, because man's existence is ruled by chaos.
I feel like rannis ending is the balanced ending, the frenzy flame ending chaos destroys all life leaving only your maiden behind while the order ending kills your maiden but maintains the cycle, ranni wants to break the cycle but unfortunately her ending you still have to kill your maiden.
I love the lovecraftian metaphor of consuming eyes to see something beyond comprehension. It also proves the three fingers and chaos are tied to an outer god and explains how the frenzy flame is strong enough to burn the erdtree. Elden ring / fromsoftware lore is great
Nux i really dont think you understand that frenzied flame is not a new ending. Its. Not a beginning to anything. You kill everything you destroy everything for your own selfishness. Nothing will survive and you kill everything. There is no hope no continueing no anything. That is why its the worst ending. You can say chaos this chaos that but ultimately this isnt chaos. This is a pure unadulterated genocide of all life.
Holy shit, the original video is 30 minutes, you made it double that. Like can you just appreciate the video for one or two minutes without stopping it and going of 5 tangents that all wouldn't have been speculation if you had just let Vaati say the next sentence.
Everyone hates the frenzied flame, not because it goes against the order of the world or religions or anything like that. Its because its the end of everything. Melina tries to stop you from achieving the frenzied flame because she wants the rune of death back, she wants a natural state of life and death, where the frenzied flame destroys all life and even death as it destroys souls, which is why torrent fades away like that as hes a spirit. (Spoilers) its also why he doesn't come out when youre in the void, a forrest engulfed in frenzy flame Its not anarchy, its not a new world order, its literal nothingness. Youve destroyed the world entirely.
Hay nux, in Christianity the eye for an eye quote is used, but it's seen as a cautionary tale, it's used to explain why you should not hold grudges and why you should forgive and forget, because if you take an eye for an eye and someone takes yours then at the end everyone suffers everyone is blind. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
Spare Melina from burning instead you kill everyone else and leave her on this world alone, Nice. Oh and Melina secret identity is Ranni by the way, her opening her left eye means she and Ranni fuse together that's why the blue eye and the marks are gone, she was basically using Melina (with is a part of her with no memories) to help you became elder lord and end the golden order, instead your goes against the plan and destroys everything.
I mean, you could always accept the 3 fingers, spare Melina, aquire Mikela's needle, fight Placidusax, use the needle to quell the frenzy, become the elden lord of your choosing and save Torrent... Vyke was just a crying b*tch.
@@josefplacek4200 I don’t think we can start over because there’s no life left or anything that can be created from all that death and destruction. It would become nothing but the void
Yeah its the same with the golden order denying death. Frenzied flame is denying life. Life and Death are bound to each other. There is no life without death vise versa. They r to sides of the same coin. If one side is missing the whole concept is broken. For the golden order there is no death so noone is afraid of it which makes life meaningless. Frenzied flame has no life so there cant be death and without death life becomes meaningless again. This leads to a world without purpose, without meaning, without life and death. Basicly the void ( and you also kill torrent in this ending, and frenzy is the only thing torrent is afraid of)
44:00 this script of Kale is cut content sadly because it's only in the files of the game, we don't know why they removed it (probably because of covid problems at time) just like for another quest with an npc at Leyndell with full dialogues of the quest
i did a chaos build in the elden ring hard mode mod. its glorious. sometimes very difficult to kill bosses, but you know what they say. pirates are free and embrace the chaos because the true righteousness is chaotic freedom. wait this is what i say :D. woah but as an ex roman catholic i liked vengeful god and eye for an eye mentality :O.
36:09 ~ Creator tools, fun fact, with same tools you can import other models and characters into eldenring from other fromsoft games. like latest example armored core, you can import all the models from there to elden ring as they are, no need to modify/adapt them to slightest degree. straight up copy paste works.
Melina and mesmer are the first generation of children born to radigan and merika... Mesmer has the eye of grace and Melina has the eye of darkness... They are both afflicted and have something to do with fire
@@DrJones0801the duality of the children born to God only parents is pretty clear in Melania and miquela... And seeing it in the naming convention and design of messmer and Melina basically shout they are another pair of God only children... Just look at messmers right eye and Melinas left...
The most devastating part of this story is that they cut Kale’s quest
Never understood why they did that tbh, its not like it didn’t fit or anything😭
@FrozenTaro, the only reason I could think of is that it's maybe too redundant because hyetta Quest is in the game
@@FrozenTarocould be a time constraint thing. Hide your tacos miyazaki has a ton of good ideas but sometimes he runs out of time to make it all happen.
Maybe the Hyetta and Kale quelestlines intersected in a way they didn't know how best to resolve and they decided it was easier to cut one of them or they felt it went a bit to dark even if I'd have loved to see it.
It might have to do with cut st. Trina content
Nux: *unalives all npcs*
Nux: "wHy DoNt I uNdErStAnD tHe LoRe"
Classic
Hmmm, I wonder why
I usually like keeping npcs alive for that reason except for characters like Shabriri
I'll never understand that mentality. It's equivalent to Russian badgers video about how he just kills everyone to sleep in a bed and helps the legion just because. Some real psychopaths
Don't make important npc's unaliveable and they will be fine.
@@robertpresley1503well then your actions don’t really have consequences do they -
didn't understand half the lore unless with Vaat. he presonalized it so much
I think the big misunderstanding Nux has about the Frenzied Flame is that it doesn't usher in a new age of chaos. It ushers in an age of *nothing*, complete and total destruction of all life. The absolute end of everything. Finito, end of story. Game over, no take-backs. The flame consumes all. Only Melina remains, to forever walk in an empty world devoid of life once she ends your reign by dealing you the lovely gift of Destined Death. The Frenzied Flame is existential nihilism taken to its most destructive extreme.
Yep.
It is understandable why some think they want this. Truth be told, nobody actually wants this. They just want the people who wronged them to suffer.
@@elihan9 "Hurt people hurt people."
@@Impact_Player Yeah.
@@Impact_Player Maybe this is one of the reasons I'm fascinated and admire Guts from Berserk.
Which has been the good ending in most of fromsofts games.
Someone’s gotta tell him the frenzied flame ending isn’t anarchy, it’s annihilation
"Why does everyone hate the frenzied flame ending?"
Watching Torrent's whistle burn in the frenzied flame: That. That right there is why.
True
You think you're gonna be getting Elden Ring's Age of Dark equivalent. You think you're freeing the world from oppressive order and muting the influence of Outer Gods. Instead, you become an instrument of cosmic convergence and cause the unmaking of all things.
That is sad. But no one considers the fact that it is order that turned the lands between into a miserable and bleak world of undeath.
@@jeremymount795I think most people do, its just ya know, global genocide is even worse.
@@jeremymount795 Agonizing omnicide is not the answer.
" random in a geol and he has a whole ass backstory ? " Bro is on the cover of the damn game
Plus, he (or an echo of him at least) invades you at one point.
Homeboy didn't watch the vid for 12 more seconds 💀
Players: "I choose chaos!"
Lore: "You chose nothingness."
Players: "..." 😮😢😭
EDIT: Seriously. I feel like this is a massive trap for the people who just assumed chaos would mean anarchy or disorder, but the absence of all order in Elden Ring amounts to total convergence. You're not choosing to purge the world of outer influence or giving rise to some unknowable new age. You are purging the server without notice.
Hyetta outright tells you outside of the Three Fingers' door. Besides, an "end to all suffering" doesn't sound like anarchy, it sounds like the end of everything.
It’s the heat death of the universe
I feel like Nux talked a lot more about chaos in a societal sense where as with me, the Frenzied Flame was always more about life not being worth living
Yeah his view is REALLY affected by warhammer 40k lore 😂
@@yurimaldonado4966 Yeah you can tell
I deal with that last section a whole lot myself. No, playing Elden ring and darkest dungeon constantly does not help
No more pain, no more suffering, no more curses, no more births, no more souls
And no more than four seconds of video per pause
No more new ideas, no more friendships
@@RavenGamingOverLord What are friends? Are they edible?
My balls are itchy
@@chainsofscarlet9054 torrent is friend
the thing about burning yourself instead of your maiden is probably the most selfish thing you can do in all of the game's lore, you rob your maiden of the destiny she herself accepted and wants to be a part of to make room for a new age to fix the world, but by burning yourself out of a desire to save that person you disappear with all the meaning of their life, instead of fixing the world you become destined to destroy it because the end of the frenzied flame is not about a new beginning, it's about an ending, a definitive ending.
when you give into absolute order everything becomes static and immobile, when you give into absolute chaos nothing has meaning and that's horrible because without a meaning the unified whole in the end is nothing, accepting chaos is not about accepting change, it is about denying life because not even death does it, death is still part of life and life of death, the golden order rejected death but chaos makes the same mistake and denies life, in the end two or three, you still fell for the lies of the fingers, and if all this in the beginning was for someone you cared about... in the end there is no one else you could care about and the person you did all this for, it is also the same one that will hunt you until the bitter end to kill you and try to save anything that has not yet been burned by you. In the end, my dear tarnished...
was your selfishness in trying to save something and denying everything else worth it for you?
I am very deep into the frenzied flame from a lore perspective but I noticed two things for the first time thanks to your comment
1. choosing to fall for the lies of the two or three fingers is similar to falling to the lies of Kaath and Frampt from DS1
2. there's a parallel with the Golden Order rejecting death and the frenzied flame rejecting life yet both of these extremes are very human. if you have lost people you love you don't want to loose anything ever again and if you have suffered greatly and seen others endure the same or worse then you might just want it all to end
chaos dissolves all differences, so we become nothing, order makes fractures, so life is and more life will come from fractures, we deny order and everything worth fighting for goes together, without differences what love is worth without hate to compare? in the end it becomes nothing
Okay but, shes a woman
Yeah, unless of course you do Millicent's questline and get Miquella's needle, then go to Placidusax's arena and stab yourself with said needle thus freeing you from the frenzied flame/three fingers influence.
@@randompersonmanguy3365 exactly! frankly im annoyed that there's no special cutscene with melina when you do this
The thing about the frenzied flame that you might have missed is that it's about nihilism. The philosophy that life in itself is meaningless and would be better gone than to actually endure the pain of just being alive in a cruel and unjust world. If you want to actually learn the lore and philosophy behind the frenzied flame. Then I'll recommend watching Ratatoskrs video on what is the frenzied flame.
Also, in this ending, you condemn Melina to spend an eternity on a dead, silent world completely alone. She has every reason in the world to want to kill you.
you can also let her burn herself and then take the frenzied flame. that way you don't get the final scene though
Well, not you. Not exactly. You choose to divest yourself of everything by accepting the Frenzied Flame. Upon beating the Elden Beast, you are possessed by the flame. You cease to be yourself and become a vessel for the flame.
@@silverblade357 Makes sense to me. Always got the feeling that you don't really become the lord of frenzied flame. Rather, it becomes you. The movements you make after you get back up with the flaming head always seemed...off.
Got a similar feeling with Midra and I imagine it's a similar case: Midra is dead and the thing that we fight is the frenzied flame wearing his headless corpse like a suit.
@@revengance4149 the final cutscene really doesn't exist. it's a cut content.
@@silverblade357 Nope, for what the DLC has shown about Frenxied lords, they are still themselves, they just cant speak
The Frenzied Flame is the antithesis of life. There is no future or rebirth after the Frenzied Flame ending
I made a whole comment just about this
Not exactly. The Frenzied Flame is not the antithesis of life, because it doesn't prevent new life from coming to the Lands Between. All it does is destroy everything that's already there and wipe the slate clean for whatever wants to start the next cycle and disrupt the tranquil state of nothing and lifelessness the Frenzied Flame enjoys.
Everything starts at nothing, and the Frenzied Flame exists to inevitably return all things to nothing so that something new might inevitably bring about a miracle that fills the empty vacuum.
@Brutalyte616 Except there is no next cycle. The Frenzied Flame destroys *_everything._* Literal omnicide
@@Brutalyte616 yes that does, no more births, no more souls, perhaps this will not prevent life from returning forcibly through the action of the greater will act in favor of this, but the frenzied flame will certainly try to guarantee that this will not happen as its objective is literally to end the life in any way possible, the greater will already abandoned the lands between a long time ago, even before Marika became a goddess, if she had any attention focused on the lands between she would have already sent a new meteor or sent another envoy to resolve things but she just doesn't because she has a thousand other worlds to spend her attention on
@@Mare_Man It doesn't though. The Outer Gods still exist, and there are things outside The Lands Between, other lands and other worlds, that the Frenzied Flame cannot reach, as evidenced by the countless Erdtrees we see in the fight against the Elden Beast. Every star in the sky is a cosmic entity waiting to crash into the world at the behest of the Greater Will or some other cosmic entity, and introducing new life to the world is something very much within their power to do.
The next cycle starts because the Frenzied Flame burns itself out, killing off all of its own followers, leaving only the very killable Lord of Frenzy to try and resist the next incursion from beyond, and the Frenzied Flame's power is not absolute considering the work of a single Empyrean is able to overpower its influence. Everything that is might die and be removed, but a miracle already brought about the world once, and it will surely do so again amidst the ashes of a dead world.
Vyke actually kinda cured himself of the madness by removing his infected eye that you actually find after you defeat Vyke at the church of anhibition. It is very likely that he imprisoned himself to stop himself from becoming the lord of frenzied flame. His name was "Roundtable Knight Vyke" in the gaol. Tarnished Archaeologist covered the friendzied flame very detailed in his video with real life history references.
Did you see his video on how Shabriri is actually a thing irl? It’s awesome!
@@GreebleClown yes. I was surprised Nux did not recognize the name because it is the demon of blindness in jewish folklore
These scene cuts that Nux added are so fucking abrupt. When I try to watch this, it feels like I’m constantly being shocked back to life before passing out again.
13:35 but you're tearing down everything until nothing is left, absolutely nothing
He definitely misses the point that this ending isn't destroying the current order for a new one, its destroying the current order, then everything else as well and then leaving it like that. Destroying Everything and Everyone and keeping it that way.
@@unoriginalandunfunny1563 Tzeentch will not be happy in an empty world
@@Tarnthewarrior EXACTLY WHAT NUX IS MISSING. Ending the world is litteraly the worst thing Nux could do for his god lol
@@unoriginalandunfunny1563 WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT
So many stories have demonized Order as stagnation and glorified Chaos as freedom (or something like that), that when they see another story involving Order and Chaos, people like Nux assume that it's going to be the same and that Chaos is the right answer.
Doesn't help that previous FromSoft games also involve cycles or the ending of one era and beginning of the next.
I think that's one of the twists of Elden Ring. This time Chaos is truly bad, and Order is the way things should be. Chaos is the permanent end of everything. No rebirth, no new era. At least with Order, there is life. And each era has its own Order and way of doing things. The Ancient Dragons had their own Order, then it got replaced and life continued. And so things would continue after Marika's reign and the one after that.
The only way life would return to the Lands Between after the Frenzied Flame ending is if the Greater Will returns and creates new life by sending a new Crucible. And who knows how many millenia that will take?
"You cant have dialogue if you kill every npc"
Nux: mods, frenzy his balls.
That commenter was right though
the name of Shabriri is also a demon in judaism that causes blindness, his name meaning "Dazzling glare" or more literally, "breaker of the eyesight."
Yeah, isn’t the demon the old explanation of a parasitic worm that turns your eyes yellow as you loose your sight?
@@GreebleClown i think so, so very thematic and fitting
Philosophy Nux: "Extremes are always horrible, you need balance"
Nux when someone mentions Chaos: "MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!"
Upvote this so Nux sees it because I think he'll appreciate it: GRRM's contributions were to create the general setting and characters essentially as bowling pins for Miyazaki to utterly wrecking ball and make the ravaged Lands Between as we know them.
Personally this knowledge brings me great joy, and I hope it does for you too.
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Nux "Kill All NPCs on Sight" anor realizing they had lore and dialogue
I didn’t know that there was a wrong way to play eldin ring
Until now. I don’t know why Nux likes killing the poor npcs
@@RavenGamingOverLord yeah he’s missing like 60% of the game doing that
Not wrong....just very dumb
There is a wrong way to spell it though
Somebody tell Nux that theres already 2 dead women he can take the blood from for mohgwyn palace.
And that some of the best items in the game are from not killing NPCs hell you can get some items from npcs anyway because sometimes they'll die at the end of their quest
There's a theory that Melina is the Gloam Eyed Queen because of the bit where the eye that's normally always shut suddenly opens.
She is the sister of Messmer.
Not anymore it's not debunked and thrown off the cliff
The world is filled with sound. The sound of a scream. The sound of a cry for help. The sound of chaos. But those sounds are also part of the melody of life.
I like how this video is supposed to bring tears to your eyes, but nux doesn't allow the video to play for more than four seconds at a time. Snuffing out any emotional impact the video could have otherwise had.
He seems to do that in every video
you can watch the original video for the emotional impact
@@revengance4149 I already have.
@@chainsofscarlet9054then stop complaining.
@@ReallyGoodandKind No
They just casually glossed over that vyke rizzed up a dragon.
There’s a reason why there’s no age of chaos because all there’s left is flame, Melina, and you for eternity
Isn’t Ranni’s ending technically the best one? It’s an actual new age, an age of stars. Nothing is certain but together we all can press on into the unknown. Gold masks is just a more pg golden order, the duskborne is like taking your hands off the wheel, basic ending continues the status quo, and the dung eater ending is actually just a middle finger to everyone. Ranni’s genuinely feels neutral without leaving the lands between leaderless and fractured.
The big theory with Melina is that she is a character in the lore known as the glommed eyed queen, and that the god skins serve/worked/were her followers who are the keepers of destined death or that they just want to release destined death back upon the world.
There’s nothing to gain in the end nux this is the absolute worst ending because of that! How are you not getting this!?
42:30 Ranni and the Moon does that. There was some mistranslation in regard to the English version, but in the Japanese she basically promises to leave everyone alone and keep them safe from the other outer gods while not interfering with everyone's life. Allowing them complete agency.
1:37 you can get the blood from your own maiden in the chapel of anticipation 😂
Perfect timing, just sat down for dinner.
Thanks, Nux.
If you beat Melania at the Helix Erdtree, have Miquella's Needle, and then use the needle at the dragon boss fight in Farm Azula, you can avoid the chaos ending.
In fact, alot of people do this to spare your maiden by burning themselves, and then removing the frenzy later.
I did this and did the Age of Stars ending.
The thing about the "Eye for an Eye" line in the Bible is often taken in a bad light, but it was said for a good reason.
Back in those days, it was common for people, nobles and those of authority in particular, to issue out punishments that were excessive to the crime made. Kind of like how the punishment for Theft was to cut off the persons hand.
An Eye for an Eye was said to say that the price of wrongdoing should be proportional to the punishment, not a head for an eye.
Of course Nux likes the frenzy ending. If he's killing everyone anyway, might as well be thorough.
Melina and her dusk/gloam eye wielding the power of destined death like a queen some would say
There was a quest with Kale that had to do with the frenzied flame, but it's cut content. He went down the capital and found what had happened to his people, which prompted him to want to become that which the golden order feared, what they thought they were, but he failed, and he paid a steep prize. His will broken, body burnt and soul tainted, because he tried to become the host of the frenzied flame, a flame that denied him, leaving him as a husk of his former self, agonizing under the capital, with the husks of his former comrades, unable to move, but still capable of feeling, feeling his body burn forever, a burn that reaches even the soul, and only one thing to keep him from losing himself, the song he plays when you don't interact with him, the one with the violin, so you see him in a decrepit state, almost a corpse, playing his song, in order to not lose what little is left of him, what little is left of his people.
I thought Vyke went nuts because he didnt take off the armor before he got clasped by the 3 fingers
If I had a dollar for every time nux went on a rant about an “unanswered” question just for it to be answered in less than 5 seconds I’d be a millionaire
You NEED to watch all the prepare to cry videos based on the endings, the're all so good
vyke is the chadliest chad that ever gigad. He was the lover of a dragon, almost became elden lord, had a spirit so vengeful it escaped his gaol, and had mad respect and didnt want to kill an innocent person in his persuit of greatness.
Vyke is a badass.
He was literally trying to kill everyone in the world...
35:55 Godammit Nux! That came out of nowhere got me lmao.
Geez you really went bananas on pausing for the best lore video.
Of course Nux would love the ending that turns eldenring back into dark souls.
From 5:08 Nux perfectly describes what we can call the Romanov-method🎉🎉
Nux: DO YOU REALIZE......?!
Me: YOU'RE THE LATE ONE HERE CUZ!
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!
MAY CHAOS TAAAKE THE WOORLDDDD!!!!!??????? ☝️✌️🗣️🔥
Rejecting life won’t do you any good neither will rejecting death
@@RavenGamingOverLordMAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!
@@ThatOnePositiveGuy That still changes things
54:59 a certain queen who mastered the calming black flame derived from destined death is , of course, the enemy of the god of the frenzied flame!
MAY CHAOS take the world!
MAY CHAOS TAAKE THE WORLDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
'In the warp a giant stirred; an image flickered through a mind larger than a nebula. The sleep of Gork was troubled. In his dreams he wore a metal body and led his children to victory. The dream lasted a brief instant of long eternity, something about it caused Gork to smile but not to rouse.
In the warp Mork too was disturbed. He dreamed of war spreading like a green stain across the galaxy. He saw billions of his children following giant warmachines built in his crude image on a great crusade. He found the dream good. And slowly his vast mind moved towards wakefulness.
Gork and Mork stirred. Their dreams reached out and touched the dreams of their people. A billion Orks turned in their sleep; suddenly, inexplicably infected by scenes of slaughter and reaving, plunder and the taking of worlds. When they awoke they looked on their surroundings and found them dull.
Gork struggled towards awareness. After centuries of dormancy it was a long process. He sensed other Powers in the warp trying to interfere. He blocked a subtle tendril from Slaanesh, ignored a baleful warning from the Emperor, discounted the triumphant cry of Khorne. He reached out with his millennia-old mind and gathered the strength of his people. Soon he would be awake and active. A body of steel had been prepared for him. A time of blood and iron was approaching.
As Mork gathered strength many a Warboss found himself afflicted with thoughts of power. Ancient ambitions were re-kindled. Long vanished thoughts of conquest stirred in the recesses of slow minds. They planned raids on nearby Humans and toyed with thoughts of alliances with old rivals. Not even great soul-searching could explain why this was so. The Ancient Powers knew what was happening, though. The Waa-Ork was coming.
Gork and Mork stirred and a wave of fear passed through the warp. Suicide and incidence of violent crime climbed steeply. On Icolbar an Astropath screamed and threw himself from the balcony of a starscraper apartment, yelling that his people were doomed. On the craft-world Hope of Other Days, an Eldar philosopher stopped listening to the atonal music of his water-chimes and began composing his death-haiku, feeling his life had been justified. On distant Earth, a living corpse in a golden throne opened eyes that held fear for the first time in centuries.
Gork felt his attention being tugged towards one tiny world on the edge of Orkdom. A strange attraction drew him to it. He leaned down from warpspace and looked upon it. His breath brought storms in the Ash Desert. His gaze caused machines to break down. His lightest tread brought earthquakes. Seeing the disruption he was causing among his people he withdrew. He knew the time was not yet right for his return. He withdrew but he left a message.
Mork moved on the face of the warp, brushing aside Daemons and ignoring ancient barriers set by long dead Gods. He moved from world to world and placed in the heart of every Ork the desire to be restless, to move, to follow the siren call of adventure when it came. He sensed other Powers subtly striving to oppose him and laughed as their attempts to restrain his crude, irresistible purpose.
The Emperor knew that he must save his people. If Gork and Mork unleashed their hordes then any unprepared worlds would be swept aside by a green tide of death The Emperor bent his thoughts to the task. Across Human space, within the range of the Astronomicon, Imperial Tarot began to foretell disaster. Commanders consulting them found all the signs of impending catastrophe on a cosmic scale.
In the Segmentum Obscura, Battlefleets were recalled and prepared for war. On the homeworlds of the Adeptus Astartes, Space Marines reached for their weapons, knowing their time of destiny was near. On the edges of the Eye Of Terror, the Orders of the Adeptus Titanicus roused their ancient war-machines. Having surveyed his Empire and seen it was ready the dying immortal within the Golden Throne prepared himself for the conflict to come.
Gork and Mork knew that they were ready. Their people were agitated and prepared for battle The Emperor, their chosen enemy, had deployed his forces. The first skirmishes had been fought, now war was about to be joined.
Beyond them they sensed the Chaos Powers watching, waiting to see what advantage the God-brothers' actions might bring them. In the darkest pits of creation twisted creatures prepared to follow the Orks' advance. Gork and Mork did not care. They knew they were strong enough to resist Chaos.
The time was right. The time was now. It was time for Gork and Mork to have some fun.
In the Warp Gork and Mork waited, well pleased. Across the face of a million worlds their children were on the move, a green tide that would topple empires and re-shape the Universe. The Waa-Ork was on the move.'
I will post this on all of your videos until you watch Baldemort's: The Secret History of the Orks.
45:30 it probably does, you just took a been there, killed that approach
I killed patches on my second playthrough where you meet him on the liurnia lake.
His armour is pretty cool.
Sauron is the embodiment of absolute order lmfao what was this dude on lol
35:10 probably because they killed all the npc instead of listening to the lore 🤓
People misunderstanding Ranni's ending because of the mistranslations. Her ending isnt an order in of itself and more of her trying to distance order from the world. To distance the outer gods influence on the word so that they no longer have power over people. Its a voyage away from whatever orders that was offered to us throughout the game and instead a journey to find our own truth. To decide for ourselves, along with every other individual what path in life is best for them instead of outer gods meddling with our affairs and dictating and influencing us on what path or order we should take.
She distances only the new order from people, outer gods are unaffected by whatever she does.
True order is not built on subjectivity, for subjectivity implies relativity. Relativity logicaly leads to absolute uncertainty and contradiction. Which is a wellspring of chaos.
True order is objective and absolute, and thus it cannot come from any man.
What is good is written in our hearts. Yet, even if we know what is good, we often do the oposite. That is not rational. That is chaos. Corruption. The entropic state of existence. No order built upon man is true order, because man's existence is ruled by chaos.
Kale's quest should have been in the game.
you can get maidens blood from your own maiden in teh tutorial area where you fight and die to your first boss.
her corpse is hidden there
Yeah that what I decided to do, it was a better idea than killing the poor blind girl
Yo Nux watch the lore video on Malenia, it also goes into the God of Rot and the man who sealed him
14:59 You need to watch Tarnished Archaeology’s video “Shabriri is actually a thing”
🔥❤🔥 And the Frenzied Flame hath cometh!
I feel like rannis ending is the balanced ending, the frenzy flame ending chaos destroys all life leaving only your maiden behind while the order ending kills your maiden but maintains the cycle, ranni wants to break the cycle but unfortunately her ending you still have to kill your maiden.
Technically no, you can have Frenzy and then remove it.
I love the lovecraftian metaphor of consuming eyes to see something beyond comprehension. It also proves the three fingers and chaos are tied to an outer god and explains how the frenzy flame is strong enough to burn the erdtree. Elden ring / fromsoftware lore is great
You gotta watch Ratatoskrs “what is the flame of frenzy?” video. It’s probably the best video about it I ever saw!
About time you lore dived into this video
Its nice to know we played elden ring the exact same way 😂😂
26:12 its the parable of the red king
Ive waited for this reaction ever since Nux startet the Eldenring series
Nux i really dont think you understand that frenzied flame is not a new ending. Its. Not a beginning to anything. You kill everything you destroy everything for your own selfishness. Nothing will survive and you kill everything. There is no hope no continueing no anything. That is why its the worst ending. You can say chaos this chaos that but ultimately this isnt chaos. This is a pure unadulterated genocide of all life.
land of redds is thought to be fromsoftware's samurai game seriko
Holy shit, the original video is 30 minutes, you made it double that. Like can you just appreciate the video for one or two minutes without stopping it and going of 5 tangents that all wouldn't have been speculation if you had just let Vaati say the next sentence.
Vyke also rizzed up one of the ancient dragons
Nux should do lore of wheel time lore starting with "ride again on the winds of time"...
🔥Ahh, may Chaos take the world!🔥
You know I was waiting on this reaction, I absolutely love this video
THANK YOU IVE BEEN WAITING WEEKS
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Everyone hates the frenzied flame, not because it goes against the order of the world or religions or anything like that. Its because its the end of everything. Melina tries to stop you from achieving the frenzied flame because she wants the rune of death back, she wants a natural state of life and death, where the frenzied flame destroys all life and even death as it destroys souls, which is why torrent fades away like that as hes a spirit.
(Spoilers) its also why he doesn't come out when youre in the void, a forrest engulfed in frenzy flame
Its not anarchy, its not a new world order, its literal nothingness. Youve destroyed the world entirely.
Hey Nux! You gotta watch Vaati’s prepare to cry: the age of the stars! It’s fantastic!
saw the frenzied flame lore piece on miss_chalice channel too as well, kale quest line is from the cut content
Hay nux, in Christianity the eye for an eye quote is used, but it's seen as a cautionary tale, it's used to explain why you should not hold grudges and why you should forgive and forget, because if you take an eye for an eye and someone takes yours then at the end everyone suffers everyone is blind. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind
Misbegotten be like "RACE WAAAARRRR!!!!"
Spare Melina from burning instead you kill everyone else and leave her on this world alone, Nice. Oh and Melina secret identity is Ranni by the way, her opening her left eye means she and Ranni fuse together that's why the blue eye and the marks are gone, she was basically using Melina (with is a part of her with no memories) to help you became elder lord and end the golden order, instead your goes against the plan and destroys everything.
I mean, you could always accept the 3 fingers, spare Melina, aquire Mikela's needle, fight Placidusax, use the needle to quell the frenzy, become the elden lord of your choosing and save Torrent... Vyke was just a crying b*tch.
Yeah the chaos ending doesnt create anything new. It just burns everything down to nothing.
That’s why I considered it as a bad ending
@RavenGamingOverLord It's the most clear, unambiguous bad ending FromSoft has ever given us
No its not. Chaos just returns everything to ground zero. So we can start all over. @@Mare_Man
@@josefplacek4200 I don’t think we can start over because there’s no life left or anything that can be created from all that death and destruction. It would become nothing but the void
Yeah its the same with the golden order denying death. Frenzied flame is denying life. Life and Death are bound to each other. There is no life without death vise versa. They r to sides of the same coin. If one side is missing the whole concept is broken. For the golden order there is no death so noone is afraid of it which makes life meaningless. Frenzied flame has no life so there cant be death and without death life becomes meaningless again. This leads to a world without purpose, without meaning, without life and death. Basicly the void ( and you also kill torrent in this ending, and frenzy is the only thing torrent is afraid of)
Nux, the ultimate philosophical muderhobo.
Nux should watch the godslayer lore after this.
The earth between middle lands
I just got a Nickelodeon ad when watching this video.
13:25 Holy shit that goes hard
I cried.
God dammit, everytime I listen to Miracle of Sound "Scarlet Sky", I cry.
This game man... I love it.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!!!
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44:00 this script of Kale is cut content sadly because it's only in the files of the game, we don't know why they removed it (probably because of covid problems at time) just like for another quest with an npc at Leyndell with full dialogues of the quest
“If you throw a stone in the lands between, you’ll hit a blind woman.”
-Lord Nuxalor 2024
“Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized.” -- Interesting Times
i did a chaos build in the elden ring hard mode mod. its glorious. sometimes very difficult to kill bosses, but you know what they say. pirates are free and embrace the chaos because the true righteousness is chaotic freedom. wait this is what i say :D.
woah but as an ex roman catholic i liked vengeful god and eye for an eye mentality :O.
36:09 ~ Creator tools, fun fact, with same tools you can import other models and characters into eldenring from other fromsoft games. like latest example armored core, you can import all the models from there to elden ring as they are, no need to modify/adapt them to slightest degree. straight up copy paste works.
Melina and mesmer are the first generation of children born to radigan and merika... Mesmer has the eye of grace and Melina has the eye of darkness... They are both afflicted and have something to do with fire
Nothing is confirmed about Melina except that Marika is her mother.
@@DrJones0801the duality of the children born to God only parents is pretty clear in Melania and miquela... And seeing it in the naming convention and design of messmer and Melina basically shout they are another pair of God only children... Just look at messmers right eye and Melinas left...
Messmer* Radagon* Marika*
@@chehtane6268 they are all made up compliant names and I don't really give a fuck
Ima be real nux i both fear and respect your chaos. Where i stand on it is undecided lol.