@@citymorgue8462 Are you sure? Even when its a child? They could then intimidate them into not giving evidence, which is unjust. Evil idea, making the victim face the perpetrator so they can silence them with fear.
Most cases of child abuse in the US, the child testifies via cctv in a secluded room in the courthouse (or safe house or hospital depending on the circumstances) or they have a guardian ad litem who speaks for the child in question as their legal representation (guardian ad litem is appointed by the court and only represents the child and the child’s best interests). Any child who is required to testify in person can also have a social worker or psychologist present to provide support and speak up if they feel the child is being intimidated by the accused.
First one, in the US a Child like that is NEVER allowed in the Court Room, hell ANY room with the charged Abuser. It just adds more pressure and trauma to the child. Grown women who were raped find it hard to testify if they even do b/c it's so mentally emotional. And for teenagers, we don't look at the age as much as the Crime and the Awareness the teen did.
I'm pretty sure they still make child victims testify in court in the US since it would be a violation of a defendant's constitutional right to face their accuser. I think DAs are more likely to accept a plea bargain in those cases though so the child victim doesn't have to testify.
@@ClaymoreClay101 correct. Depending on circumstances they may decide to have the child appear via cctv so they are not physically intimated by the perpetrator but can still be questioned.
@@bourgeoisie7991 I’m pretty sure that the clip with the kid testifying is from a movie about the actual case though . So hopefully 🙏 it didn’t actually happen at court
In my country, there was recently a case of a man who raped a 5-month-old baby, he was sent to prison preventively so that he would not escape while the trial is taking place, but he did not spend a single day in prison because the other prisoners killed him the same day he was sent to prison
Even the most hardened criminals are known to have a code they follow. Many of them are father's themselves so any child molesters/rapists/killers are basically sentenced to death being sent to prison where they interact with the general public.
Fr staying in a jail isn’t bad because there is no proper humane punishment other than locking you up; you get fed and have a place to stay if ur poor. Mainly the big reason why people don’t wanna go there is because of the inhinged ppl and gangs. I don’t know why child pedos don’t reevaluate their morals when there’s 100% chance of getting beaten to death in prison.
what was really disgusting about that juvenile's case was that their were some actual people that thought he shouldn't be punished just cause he was good looking. You literally had these teen girls trying to defend this dude online, that is some disturbing stuff.
@@Limonelguey FR IT WAS SO FUCKING ANNOYING THAT THOSE STUPID TEENAGERS CARED MORE ABOUT LOOKS THEN A LITERAL MOTHER AND CHILD'S LIFE disgusting honestly
Yeah I would like juvenile's to get the same years as adults when they commit such horrendous crimes but bad thing is the US is they always go over the amount of adult would get and that makes no sense. Hopefully Korea decides to make a better criminal justice system (with rehabilitation included but not for the most horrendous criminals).
One think I’ll NEVER understand of the Korean social and justice system is how lenient and easy they are on heavy crimes while they witch-hunt the low ones like gambling, smoking or doing drugs. I’ve seen countless of celebs being attacked for smoking, drinking or using drugs while victim’s perpetrators (rape and killers) are swiped under the rug with little to none years in jail.
You are right about the low ones but wrong about the heavy crimes. Criminology and Sociological studies proof that focusing on rehabilitating a criminal is way more effective than just punishing.
@@flowerpower0323 You need both rehabilitation AND punishment in most societies. Rehabilitation is generally more humane and seeks for it not to reoccur again once release, aka better reintegrating in society. You HAVE to have some form of punishment though because many if not most people want punishment and retribution meaning without it there is less faith in the system unless you change that on an individual level. Law is order but just like most people being raised there are consequences to actions and those consequences aren't always nice or pleasant. Society is just as much about people's wants and desires as it is about statistical 'better' and improvements.
I've always been annoyed at how lenient they are to criminals in Korea. Why are they so kind to those who are selfish enough to others? It makes me angry, they don't deserve that protection!!!!
And those kids, they won't learn anything by not getting in trouble, they'll think they are above the law and do it again. The law can also be too kind to kids but if they are able to kill or hurt someone with no remorse, they don't deserve to get sympathy
I don’t think you know anything about what you are talking about. It’s the same in Europe and we are actually proud of it because we actually listen to the science. Countries with higher sentences always have higher crime rates. Do you wanna know why countries in Scandinavia are among the ones with the lowest crime rates? Because instead of just putting criminals in jail they actually try to help them to resocialize. Jail sentences in these countries are the lowest on earth yet the recidivism rate is also among the lowest on earth. Guess why?
Because most crimes are committed by men, and since Korea is such a patriarchal country they lessen prison sentences so that men can still thrive. Think about it, if they were drunk and sexually assaulted someone or even harassed, physically inflicted wounds or harm - they'd still be only serving a minimum sentence compared to other countries.
S.Korea needs to really re-evaluate their law system, but seeing as the new president seems to detest women's rights, foreigners and etc. I doubt hardly anything will be done.
And i definitely agree with the whole juvenile thing. Not all children are as pure and innocent as they seem. If they can do such vile things of course they need to pay for their crimes. Especially when they feel no remorse whatsoever and even feel proud of doing so. There's always that underlying sympathy for juveniles, but most the times in S.Korea it's wealthy children who cause most ruckus.
The fact juveniles can get away with that simply because of there age is EXTREMELY infuriating, here in the US it wouldn’t be so far fetched to say even if they got away with it they would have to watch their back, revenge killings can get real as hell here in the US especially if you are taunting the deceased.
Yeah I’m surprised that old man hasn’t been taken out yet since being released in 2020. I definitely would whoop his a$& every single day he left the house. I even heard he started his own business by opening up a convenience store on the first floor of his house at the same neighborhood he committed the crime. The girl still lives there too. I would be so mad if he ever got a single customer. I hope the neighbors shun him for life if they won’t get revenge.
That’s why we in Europe laugh about the justice system of America. It’s primitive and based more on revenge than rehabilitation. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation leads to less crimes. That’s why Europe is one of the places with the least amount of crimes while America is one of the places with the most crimes.
The part about Gabriel Fernandez really made me shed a tear. I had done a paper based on this on the past, and it's very dreadful what that kid had to go through. Another thing that makes it even more sad is that Gabriel tried to call cops for help, but they accused him of lying and did nothing until He passed.
@@kate-nj2ss not only once, the teachers called the child protective services like 5 times!!!!! but they kept just going to the house and literally ASKING if everything was OKAY! can you believe it? so after a few times the mother stopped sending gabriel to school, which was 100% worst because now he was 24/7 at the hands of that monsters. i almost broke my tv when i watched the netflix documentary, i was in pure rage!!!
@@kate-nj2ss Yeah, there were about 70 calls made to child protective services by different individuals for them to look into the situation of Gabriel. When the social workers would go to his house, they would always interview him with his mother and her boyfriend present where he would obviously not be able to say the truth. They never separated him and talked to him alone and would always believe that he was lying about being abused even when he would have obvious bruises all over his body. It's so sad. His teacher even said that at a point, he didn't want to tell her when he was abused cos he was scared she would contact cps. And he asked her to stop calling them cos each time after they left, he would get beat up for that. And then the social workers never served any punishment, even though the prosecutor in charge of the case tried to sue about 4 workers who had been involved with Gabriel's case
What infuriates me more is that even after Gabriel's case, ANOTHER child died in the hands of abuse from their guardians, in the same area that Gabriel was living in. CPS once again stood back and yet another child die. And it still continues.
The Cho Doo Soon case actually makes me sick. Not only does that little girl have to live with the trauma and memory of what that man did to her, but he hurt her so badly that she permanently has to use a colostomy bag because she can no longer do something as simple as going to the toilet due to physical injuries. I heard that when he was released he went straight back to his old neighbourhood and lived there. That girl also lives there.
Korea has one of the weakest judicial systems in the world. It’s actually sick that criminals get treated so well. Hell, they even get their face blurred out on TV as to not be shown to the public. I mean sexual predators constantly receive slap on the wrist sentence of less than 2 years. It’s an abomination of a judicial system that needs wholesale changes. However, it’ll probably never happen due to the corruption and the elitism that is so pervasive in Korean culture.
Another HUGE difference I’ve noticed between the U.S. and S. Korea is how they portray the criminals in the media. The news in Korea always blurs out their faces and distorts their voices and the police always give them a mask and a hat to cover up when they’re being transported. Here in America, everyone knows what they look like before they even go to trial. If it was only the victims, I’d understand, but why bother giving evil people privacy? Is there a reason other than heavy censorship laws?
You say "even before they go to trial" So you are happy with people who have not been found guilty of a crime being treated as criminals? Because often they arent actually evil people, they are not guilty of the crimes and their lives could be destroyed due to a misunderstanding, or a lie.
@@dorianleakey they have a right to a trial 💀💀but when it’s obvious like this where the evidence is clear AND the trial proves them guilty y hide their faces ????
@@ems5454 yeah I almost went insane when I know that, he dare refuses to move... That child inside were out when they found her and she have permanent disabilities.
I will never understand that being drunk or high lessens a sentence. If you drink so much or use drugs in a way that you "don't know what you are doing", there should be a mandatory extra 10 years, on top of the regular punishment. It should never be possible to use intoxication as an excuse.
@Mylena Ribeiro It is not an excuse that should be used for mitigation. The simple solution is not to drink so much, and not to do drugs. The whole idea that drug addiction is an illness is bullshit. Cancer is an illness ... drug addiction is a choice. Don't touch drugs, not even once, and you won't get addicted. Very simple.
Depends on what substance/circumstances are involved. There are cases of people who have experienced massive brain trauma and woke up in a hospital only to attack staff because they aren't truly aware of where they are, and then they don't remember it afterwards. Some drugs can have similar effects, which is why most dangerous drugs are illegal in the first place. Another thing to consider is the crime itself, if you aren't in your right mind and you end up committing violence because you thought you were being threatened but don't remember doing so afterwards, I'd be more lenient. Such as a kidnapping victim whose been drugged and they unknowingly end up attacking law enforcement because they literally can't tell the difference between the people hurting them and the people trying to help them. As unfortunate as it is that the officers in question are injured, the victim shouldn't be charged with assault because they aren't in their right mind. On the other hand, if you were knowingly partaking of an illegal activity, such as drugs, even if you didn't fully understand the possible side effects, it's criminal negligence. I don't need to understand the side effects of setting a building on fire that happens to be full of explosive gas tanks, I'm still committing the crime of arson. The fact that the building explodes because of the fire might be unintentional, but it's still my fault for being negligent while committing a crime. In the same vein, someone that chooses to get high and then rapes/murders another person shouldn't be shown leniency because they were somehow "not of sound mind," they were already committing a crime, which happened to lead to violence and/or sexual violence/murder, which is why criminal negligence comes into play.
If you decide to drink or do some type of drug you should be prosecuted for being irresponsible and reckless. Like it shouldn't make your sentence less it should make it more because you decided to get so incredibly annihilated that you did something horrible. Drinking culture so bad in Korea and I feel like maybe this type of leniency is due to the fact that so many people drink and perhaps they're more understanding that you do stupid things when you drink but at the same time for this type of crime it should be unacceptable.
Islam forbids drinking of alcohol as to avoid situations like these, so that you are fully responsible for your actions and not because of some bullshit intoxicated excuses
@@intanpayung7026 yeah cuz like 1 of the girl in this vid said if being an influenced of alcohol can be used as an excuse for ur crime, then lots of ppl out there could just do the same. Drink alcohol while commiting crime to lessen their sentences
Good! That’s how it should be! Rape cases all over Korea are literally thrown under the rug cause the man was drunk so he didn’t know any better🙄 I mean cmon!
In my country being under any influence of alcohol (in a place other than ur home or licensed venues) or drugs is already a crime in on itself 💀😭 I’m very glad
FR WE SHOULD HAVE THAT MENTALITY IN THE US. The “I was intoxicated” card just makes u seem even more guilty trying to get out of the case u obviously committed. The lack of responsibility and acknowledgment should be an indicator of a bad person, cus if you were truly a good-at-heart person you would accept what actions you’ve done regardless bc you were ashamed.
As a Korean American, I am very disappointed and embarrassed by the Korean legal system. Crimes against a child only gets 12 years?!?!? WTF? That guy would have gone to prison for life if he did that in the US. The Korean legal system should take child abuse and domestic violence more seriously and punish these sick bastards.
I heard she will never able to have a kid of her own and she can’t pee any more so she wear a bag on her stomach, i forget what it’s called. I heard her rapist moved back in same town but under police watch like CCTV around his house, so her dad was angry. I remember reading about it.
In Germany you only get 2 years prison when you raped a child.... That makes me even more angry. And up to 10 years when you don't want to pay your taxes
As a human being the S. Korean Judicial System infuriates me. SO MANY things are wrong about it and they're to lenient as a whole. They want to keep this ideal perception of perfection of the country but they let people go with a slap on the wrist when they commit crimes so horrendous??? Even as a teen or pre-teen (11-14) they have FULL understanding of what they do and only do it because they don't know fear. They have zero fear of the repercussions of their actions and commit the crimes because they KNOW they'll get away with it. IT"S SO UPSETTING!!!!
On the flip side, there are cases in the US where criminals are let off easy because 'they have a bright future and going to jail would hurt that', with total disregard to victims and the probability of repeat offending. Edit for clarity, I guess: This is entirely regarding US cases because all the ones shown have strong penalties. No comment on or comparison with Korea.
It’s the exact same in Korea, probably worse. In the US the case is atleast known to the public. If you have money in Korean you can make it so the case never happened and no one knows about it so it’s not on any permanent records… I’m sure some millionaires do the same in the US but it’s not an “on the flip side” topic cause it’s the same both places
I’m surprised crime isn’t much more prevalent in Korea seeing as how such unimaginable crimes get basically a slap on the wrist in comparison to what the victims get. It’s honestly embarrassing and shameful their system. So heartbreaking for the victims, the baby’s life was taken so take the killers too!!!
actually sexual and juvenile crimes are extremely rampant in korea it’s just that with how their justice system is, many get 0 help, can’t seek help or don’t seek help. cus the outcomes already known.
There isn't less crime, it's simply underreported. You can leave valuable things at a table in a Korean cafe and no one will steal them. I've heard countless foreigners say that they felt very safe walking alone at night. But the amount of misogyny, s*xual assaults, molka, r*ape, stalking and bullying is insane. Victims get no justice - only public humiliation - if they come out, so a lot of people don't even try.
@@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286 right! Yes ofc that makes sense my bad! I definitely have heard of how rapes especially are just swept under the rug! Really sad
@@RhythmAddictedState There is less crime. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than hard punishments leads to less crimes. That’s why in Europe crime rates are so low despite having one of the most lenient systems.
I'm reading a Webtoon called Get Schooled, and the part about the juveniles thinking they can essentially get away with murder reminded me about it. There needs to be change with how Korea runs it's punishments.
I read that too and I always get frustrated whenever a bully get away because they are minors and those ppl push the victims to their limit to the point of just wanting to die.
@@doyoueverdreamofdream4110 I just want to clarify, the Webtoon gets justice for the victims. I've tried replying but my messages won't go through. I'd recommend reading it.
In Korea, it seems that instead of punishing the criminals, the system finds excuses for them. It happened again recently a student raped a girl and apparently killed her dragged her body on campus and just dumped her in a public space in front of a student apartment building if I remember correctly... These thing keep happening too much and they all get small sentences .
I remember being so shocked when I learned that minors in SK don't undergo criminal punishment. Not only did those kids commit such a heinous crime, but they showed absolutely no remorse for their actions. To go as far as bragging about it, it absolutely makes me sick. And the blurring/blocking of the criminal's face on the news is something I didn't learn about until recently. It sounds like there's more concern and protection for the perpetrator than there is for the victims. Obviously the US judicial system has plenty of flaws; even though there are times when the system gets it right (like with the cases shown in the video), there are still times where it fails miserably. One example is a guy by the name of Brock Turner who was literally caught r*ping a girl. But ultimately he was sentenced to 6 months and only served half of it.
That's the whole point! They are too young to understand the consequences of their actions. In Germany you are also not a "legal body" until you turn 14 but treated as an extension of your parents (who will be held accountable for neglect of their supervisory role and the children most likely taken away by child protection services)
i remember being so frustrated when i heard about the first two cases showed from Korea. not just with the sentencing but with the way the criminals are protected so much with face coverings and coats etc. then again when the man was released he moved into a home so close to where the girl he assaulted lived
What makes me mad is that if a victim is drunk it suddenly becomes their fault but when the assaulter/ crimnal is drunk it isn’t their fault bc they aren’t in the correct state of mind
There are pros and cons to both systems. US sentences heavily for offenses that they could be lenient on and Korea sentences too lightly on serious offenses that should be more heavily punished.
The woman who said "everyone will just drink after a crime" was so real. Bc if you can do something heinous and get away with it "bc you were drunk," why wouldn't criminals just drink AFTER to lessen their sentence? It's honestly bullshit.
The justice systems all over the world need to undergo drastic changes. In most cases, victims of atrocious crimes don’t receive the proper justices they rightfully deserve. There may be some other situations wherein the suspects make it seem like they’re the actual victims by posing as the innocent ones. There’s just some danger to it that is very unsettling.
It only needs reforms in countries that go as hard on crimes as the US. We in Europe laugh about that because that’s actually one of the reasons for their high crime rates. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than on punishment leads to less crimes. It may go against your feelings but that’s just basic science.
This was an amazing video and I’ve also been annoyed at how lenient the Korean Judicial System is to criminals, and how their face is protected. I’m super happy to see that they also felt the same way & outrage as we did over seas for the crimes that happened. Thank you for this video 💖
the Vedant Agrawal hit-and-run case: - 17-year-old Vedant Agrawal was involved in a hit-and-run accident in Pune, India, killing two people. - He was driving under the influence of alcohol and lost control of the car. - Agrawal was arrested and granted bail with conditions, including writing an essay on road accidents. - His parents are accused of using their influence to manipulate the investigation and cover up the incident. - The case has sparked public outrage, with calls for stricter laws and greater accountability for minors involved in serious offenses. The criminal is free for now He got a terrible punishment of writing essay about road safety 🥺
The first crime they showed for the Korean example has a movie based on it called, "Hope." Not sure what streaming services, but it made me cry for hours. I think I cried for about 80% of the movie and then more afterwards. That case is truly heartbreaking especially since I didn't realize it was a real case until the end of the movie.
The Gabriel Fernandez case will forever be in my head. Even thinking about him and the ways a lot of people could’ve saved him really pisses me off and upsets me. I hope he is now peacefully and happily resting now that he’s away from the one person that was supposed to cherish him as a miracle.
I think a lot of it has to come down to privacy laws because my understanding your privacy laws in Korea are much stricter than ours, but also in general I feel like the American populous does not believe that if you’ve committed violent offensive crimes that your privacy should be given to you Your face should be known people should be aware of who you are especially if you’re someone who’s not gonna be locked up in prison for the rest of your life and who has a set release date. Also court records are public in America. You can look up and see if someone has a criminal record
A friend of mine was a prison guard here in the US, as he told me, even criminals have a code against child abusers and they do not fair well in prison. Some of the most heinous offenders have been beat to death in prison. Poetic justice!
I am literally shook of the child rape case shown I can't believe he was just sentenced for 12 years and what immense amount of pressure grief and emotional toll must have been on the child she must be scared to death even at the thought of going out....drunk or no a crime is still a crime. If they sentence the criminal on the basis of being drunk, I think there's something wrong with the law.
I’m not sure how familiar you are with the case, but it is an even more of a slap in the face when you realize that that child is permanently disabled because of the horrendous amount of trauma that was done to her body. It is a horrifying and disgusting case, and every single part about that case will make you angry from what actually happened to how the trial goes to the sentencing to the fact that he is released and moved back into the neighborhood that he previously lived in where that girl currently lived at that time.
When it comes to rape and sexual assault I don’t think these people deserve to be free,murder has many variables and reasons but rape is never understandable and these people are true monsters that will never change
So many people involved in Gabriels case, lawyers, investigators, etc. had to receive counseling after the case bc of how messed up and horrendous the abuse was .
The case of Gabriel Fernandez literally made me cry so badly, I cant hear about the case without uncontrollably sobbing. My family has dealt with abuse (obviously not that badly, may he be resting peacefully 🙏🏽) and he kind of reminds me of my little brother because of his kind actions and they look somewhat similar. He deserved so much better. CPS failed him like the other kids who went through shit at home 1. He's a child, he just wanted to feel loved he wasn't a bad kid at all. 2. even after all the beating he still appreciated his mom and gave her little drawings. :(
I was near tears in sadness and anger of how those monsters were given a lesser sentence even though they did such horrible things to that baby and at 7:49 That's horrible hearing of what they caused. In the US there have been cases where a teen and even pre-teen are held in juvie (in a juvenile detention center) until they reach 18 and be retried or be moved to prison. But there are cases so severe where they're tired as an adult as in the video there. I remember a case I heard about that happened years ago. The victim was a child of around 5 or 7 years old, and the murderer was around 10 or 13 years old. He was tried as an adult because of what he had done to the other boy during and after his death.
I pressed charges on an abuser at 17 for SA and he was given 5 consecutive weekends in jail. As in he only stayed in jail on the weekends. It was first offense so it didn’t stay in his record and he didn’t have to register as on offender even though he pled guilty. Unfortunately the US takes SA far less seriously that it may seem.
I have a brother that’s been locked up in Angola prison here in Louisiana since he was 18 years old he was locked up at 18 in 1998 for counts of armed robbery charges he got over 50 years in prison and have seen murderers and serial killers go and come including child killers and rapist but the one thing he’s always told me was that it was better for a child killer and a rapist to die then come to prison and live. I have heard some horrific well deserved stories.
Gabriel's case broke me. There is a Netflix series that goes through the extent of what he had to endure. There were lots a failures although justice was ultimately served it was not an easy process
To those unaware, Isaro Guirre (murdered & tortured the 8 yr old boy in 2nd case) was sentence to death, however it still hasn't been carried out. He's still waiting for his execution to this day, his execution date has yet to be decided. It's been 6 years (tried & sentenced in 2018) since & doesn't seem like he's going to face his sentencing anytime soon.
i remember watching the Gabriel Fernandez case with my mom. she wouldn’t stop cursing out everyone taht was apart of it. truly horrible case. it’s infuriating
What I really want to know is how did it get like this, because it seems like the majority of Korean citizens don't agree with leniency for such serious crimes, is it just corruption or what?
I recently just got finished with a court case. For 5 years from the age 9-14 a father was s3xually abusing his oldest daughter, and she finally worked the courage up to tell her step mom. He pleaded guilty, and now he get 3 years in prison. He’s being sent for 5, but it’s most likely he only has to spend 2-3 years
the jeong-in case made me cry so hard when i read the details. when they showed how much force it needs to break the ribs, i cried even harder and it was in front of my brother. i have 3 younger siblings and the thought of a child younger than them being in that pain just broke my heart
i remember hearing of the first two korea cases, i've watched the movie based off the first case. it was so heart breaking to see the ruling. i don't understand how you can be light with people so evil. i hope they eventually strengthen the longevity of the punishments. too many dangerous people are so easily let out.
The Korea judicial system is ridiculous for giving those monsters lenient punishments especially the youthful offenders.. and they even gloated about it on social media. They will never learn.
For those who don't know much about the American prison system, you should understand that getting locked up for something like child molestation is effectively a death sentence. Certain crimes guarantee that your fellow prisoners will assault you.
Very interesting video. I will say for the US (as I’m sure with other countries) those who are rich and in power (and white) often get lighter sentences. The debate around the death penalty in the US is also interesting along with the issues of black people being in prison more than white people (there’s a great Ted-Ed that discusses bail which relates to it and the movie/book Just Mercy that goes into the racial bias in the Americana legal system) Great video as always!
@@minority86 32% of the US population is represented by African Americans and Hispanics, compared to 56% of the US incarcerated population being represented by African Americans and Hispanics. So yes it is about wealth but who holds the wealth in this country…. not black and brown folks
another thing I like about the U.S. (probably also happens at other countries), when certain prisoners find out that there are child abusers or anyone who was put in prison for harming a child, they take it upon themselves to make sure that person lives HELL while there. I heard that other prisoners attacked Gabriel Fernandez’s mother after finding out what she did through a prison guard.
I’m from the same city as Gabriel Fernandez, and when his death happened it was very, very shocking to us all. I am very knowledgeable about our system for children (I was a foster child in the same system that failed Gabriel), and the things I have seen/witnessed/heard were a nightmare. I can’t even imagine how terrified he was 😞
I've known this even as a young child. As a Korean American, this is the one thing I'm ashamed of about Korea. You would think that because their society is so strict with everything they would have severe punishments!
What I hate about Korea is the fact that the criminals are allowed to hide their face…why? It’s so annoying. Why are we protected people that do horrific crimes, especially towards children.
i really enjoy this channel,, it’s informative to see the cultural differences and to get actual input from those who live there is nice because just a little reminder that there’s still humanity left in the world
The social workers for Gabrielle should have also been punished....they could have saved him if they had done their job thoroughly. Watching that documentary on Netflix made me so mad so many times.
In the US we widely believe in a life for a life. If one threatens our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (meaning independence, safety, and private ownership) then that traitor forfeits their own rights.
Interestingly, when women commit the same crimes as men in Korea, they are punished more. So the problem is three-fold: (1) the sentences are too short, (2) it's a mysogynistic system that favours male criminals, (3) sex-related crimes aren't punished sufficiently
the justice system needs to be reworked everywhere, but especially in places like japan and korea. the reason i say this is because of the case of junko furuta, 44 days in hell if i recall correctly. her funeral and multiple documentaries are here on youtube if you want to know what happened, as there is too much to explain, and its all far too disturbing. her murderers are still out there. she was 17.
I remember watching part of a documentary on the Gabriel Fernandez case, but was so horrified by learning what they did to him that I didn't have the stomach to finish it. That alone makes me a bit hesitant to find out more about Jeong-in's abuse and subsequent death, especially knowing that she certainly didn't get anything close to justice.
The Hope movie is really heartbreaking. It's really ridiculous how the suspect only got 12 years for what he did. 12 years and he got a chance to live his life again. While the victim still suffers mentally and physically until to this day.
Korea’s criminal justice system being more screwed up than ours is insane. Especially when you look at the punishments given to private citizens who commit crimes versus, say, kpop idols who date someone or smoke a cigarette and lose their whole career.
Not sure about comparisons with Korea, but in the US it's important that each crime is charged because there are multiple opportunities for the defendant to appeal the case after sentencing. For example in the first case, if the criminal was able to get the death sentence commuted or dismissed for any reason, he still has to face life in prison for the s**ual assault. It prevents people working the legal system and ensures punishment is enforced.
i feel like the korean system has a slippery closed loop system with their personal privacy laws, and idk why they very consistently give the same rights to everyone not adding into consideration whether they are the perpetrator or the victim or how massive their crime is? cos from what i understand with the US system, is that a lot of it, especially involving heavy crimes, are treated case-by-case and all aspects of the case is put into consideration for sentencing. psychology and social media use is what i noticed has been highlighted in US cases recently; what the perp did before, during, and after the crime can indicate their intent! it seems like the korean system only looked at what happened during the crime ONLY, which leaves the human aspect completely out of the case! it doesn't look like justice to me, this looks like the 1st class exercise for a law elective course where the grades don't matter.
I never heard of the cho doo soon case before but hearing it now makes me horrified.. I truly hope the Korean criminal system gets fixed soon this is terrible wtf
Extremely terrible what he did to that poor girl. She has to wear a colostomy bag for the rest of her life because he raped her so bad her intestine fell out. He lives now in her neighborhood. There have been a few attacks on him, he has even broken curfew and still isn't punished. He now has basically police protection so he can be "safe". The victim's father is trying to raise money to help them move. She is too scared to even leave her home.
death should be last thing to be given, they should be reminded of their crime, relive it as the victim n never escape, not even to death, if they try, save them, let them recover before resuming.
I once saw an accident in Korea where a taxi t-boned a motorcycle so hard that it cut the motorcycle in half. The driver got a reduced punishment because he was drunk.
My mum’s boyfriend was a police inspector and in 2016 (when I was around 11) he was arrested and sentenced for making and sharing explicit child videos including of me. He was sentenced to 9 years but only served 2 and a half years because it was his “coping from trauma of war”. Even the UK law is unacceptable and I still wish I got justice for the crimes he committed against me
I've always heard that the misogyny in South Korea was so terrible and some locals don't even know it since it's all they know. It's so sad, the problem is very apparent seeing these rulings.
Also, and I say this every time I watch the Korean news......It makes me so, SO happy to see a KSL newscaster delivering the news in real time with the spoken language newscaster. We don't have anything like that in USA, and there are generally no closed captions for the hearing impaired, either.
Wow this was eye opening. This is also case by case basis bc here there are plenty of sex offenders and murderers who get less time than drug offenders. I'll never forget the Gabriel Fernandez case!
Koreas justice system is a JOKE. The last case literally made me so mad i can’t believe those kids weren’t put in prison after they stole a car and killed someone with it? My heart goes for that man’s family, to lose someone in that way and not even get justice because of those disgusting judges.
what's crazy on that US juvenile case is that there are actual people on social media that are demanding for his release because 'he is too attractive' kind of bs...anyways, I've heard and read about the Cho Do-soon and Jeong-in cases before and all i think is it's just too crazy of a punishment that even me hearing about it just ruins my day. it's crazy how they get away with such heinous crimes
I think one of the major differences in this is also that US victims families also stand by them and ensure the criminal gets punished to full degree, I've heard horrible stories of korean girls being silenced by their own mothers even when they got assaulted by someone in the family cuz "image" is so important for them.
Korea needs to step up their punishments for crimes committed in Korea. It deters others from committing the same crimes. My opinion the defendant Choi Jong-sul should have been either sent to prison for life / no parole or sentenced to death.
Sometimes im really glad the US had punishments such as the death penalty, but then I realize how many people could be innocent to these accusations and they still receive the sentence of death.
Thats what ive noticed in south korea..there is a lot of leniency given to the criminal. Their faces are covered on tv, it takes a long tjme to provide justice to the victim...and the sentences are just not that enough. Like, the justice is not for the victim at all.
Well this was a eyeopener I thought Asian countries were a lot more strict on the criminals than the we are in the US I guess I'm gonna have to do further research
Yeah I find many times that people from the US think the US is the most unjust terrible place in the world and it’s honestly funny as someone who was born in Mexico. And yeah the US sucks too many times but cmon. Step out of your bubble ya know? (Not saying you said that btw just adding on to the eye opener bit)
The Cho Doo Soon case was horrific. How he was EVER released is beyond me. They did not protect that little girl. The US system can ve rather light on PDFs, but if that level of harm was levelled against a child, I doubt he'd make it out of prison alive. He'd be facing attempted murder charges on top of alk the otger counts. The systemvwould be hard pressed to ever let him out again. Like, any case of CSA should be life imprisonmemt, but that case was especially egregious. But we in the US tend to give the harsh punishments after loss of life, when it'sfar too late. We want harsher punishment before it gets that far. We want longer sentences for such acts, but so far, no dice. And it can ve different, state by state. You almost hope they screwed up and took things across state lines or disseminated CP so they get sentenced federally, which is WAY harsher. But there are no perfect systens, and we all lament that sentences are rarely harsh enough. Capital punishment isn't a deterrent, it just makes them try to hide the bodies better. And SA and CSA are still not seen as violent enough crimes and they get let out when they never should see freedom again. Like, one guy got off with probation after SAing a drunk girl in an alley by a dumpster with the affluenza defense. It's awful.
Now do one for possession of marijuana! Here in Texas depending on the amount it could be up to two years in prison. My search for South Korea showed 5 years maximum sentence.
They be giving sentences for the wrong crimes… hell, their whole justice system is f*cked up😒🤢(and not only south korea, there are tons of countries with messed up justice systems, at this point, you can’t even call it a justice system).
@@DulcisAbsentia It’s the highest potential penalty The highest potential penalty of the crimes you mentioned is life but Korea rarely ever even goes near the highest penalties I have a friend who got caught with a Percocet pill and was fined 2,000 US dollars Hiring a prostitute has a max penalty of one year but in practice it’s about a 300 dollar fine with fines increasing depending on your record
Btw in the US, victims don't have to appear in front of their attackers. How they had a child in the courtroom is just wrong!!!!
absolutely the lasting trauna
Uhhh actually a defendant has a legal right to face their accuser
@@citymorgue8462 Are you sure? Even when its a child? They could then intimidate them into not giving evidence, which is unjust.
Evil idea, making the victim face the perpetrator so they can silence them with fear.
Most cases of child abuse in the US, the child testifies via cctv in a secluded room in the courthouse (or safe house or hospital depending on the circumstances) or they have a guardian ad litem who speaks for the child in question as their legal representation (guardian ad litem is appointed by the court and only represents the child and the child’s best interests). Any child who is required to testify in person can also have a social worker or psychologist present to provide support and speak up if they feel the child is being intimidated by the accused.
@Since_My Yeah, but that's often because they have chosen that for themselves (of course there will be that occasional outlier, which is just wrong)
First one, in the US a Child like that is NEVER allowed in the Court Room, hell ANY room with the charged Abuser. It just adds more pressure and trauma to the child. Grown women who were raped find it hard to testify if they even do b/c it's so mentally emotional. And for teenagers, we don't look at the age as much as the Crime and the Awareness the teen did.
Right, I was so shocked that they made that girl testify in the Korean case. Must be so traumatic for her
That one made me cry.
I'm pretty sure they still make child victims testify in court in the US since it would be a violation of a defendant's constitutional right to face their accuser. I think DAs are more likely to accept a plea bargain in those cases though so the child victim doesn't have to testify.
@@ClaymoreClay101 correct. Depending on circumstances they may decide to have the child appear via cctv so they are not physically intimated by the perpetrator but can still be questioned.
@@bourgeoisie7991 I’m pretty sure that the clip with the kid testifying is from a movie about the actual case though . So hopefully 🙏 it didn’t actually happen at court
In my country, there was recently a case of a man who raped a 5-month-old baby, he was sent to prison preventively so that he would not escape while the trial is taking place, but he did not spend a single day in prison because the other prisoners killed him the same day he was sent to prison
Even the most hardened criminals are known to have a code they follow. Many of them are father's themselves so any child molesters/rapists/killers are basically sentenced to death being sent to prison where they interact with the general public.
They do the same thing in Mexico. If you're suspected of that type of crime they will kill you. But not before being torture.
Karma's a bitch after all
Fr staying in a jail isn’t bad because there is no proper humane punishment other than locking you up; you get fed and have a place to stay if ur poor. Mainly the big reason why people don’t wanna go there is because of the inhinged ppl and gangs. I don’t know why child pedos don’t reevaluate their morals when there’s 100% chance of getting beaten to death in prison.
a 5 month old baby??? WTF
She really said that right! some Juvenile crimes are so horrendous that I don't see them as a kid no more and should be charged as an adult.
what was really disgusting about that juvenile's case was that their were some actual people that thought he shouldn't be punished just cause he was good looking. You literally had these teen girls trying to defend this dude online, that is some disturbing stuff.
@@Limonelguey FR IT WAS SO FUCKING ANNOYING THAT THOSE STUPID TEENAGERS CARED MORE ABOUT LOOKS THEN A LITERAL MOTHER AND CHILD'S LIFE disgusting honestly
Yeah I would like juvenile's to get the same years as adults when they commit such horrendous crimes but bad thing is the US is they always go over the amount of adult would get and that makes no sense. Hopefully Korea decides to make a better criminal justice system (with rehabilitation included but not for the most horrendous criminals).
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One think I’ll NEVER understand of the Korean social and justice system is how lenient and easy they are on heavy crimes while they witch-hunt the low ones like gambling, smoking or doing drugs. I’ve seen countless of celebs being attacked for smoking, drinking or using drugs while victim’s perpetrators (rape and killers) are swiped under the rug with little to none years in jail.
Exactly, they care more about idols smoking weed than citizens rapping and killing others.
You are right about the low ones but wrong about the heavy crimes. Criminology and Sociological studies proof that focusing on rehabilitating a criminal is way more effective than just punishing.
@@flowerpower0323 You need both rehabilitation AND punishment in most societies. Rehabilitation is generally more humane and seeks for it not to reoccur again once release, aka better reintegrating in society. You HAVE to have some form of punishment though because many if not most people want punishment and retribution meaning without it there is less faith in the system unless you change that on an individual level. Law is order but just like most people being raised there are consequences to actions and those consequences aren't always nice or pleasant.
Society is just as much about people's wants and desires as it is about statistical 'better' and improvements.
You're talking about stupid K-pop. Is that all the knowledge you have?
@@flowerpower0323 where is the rehabilitation, there is none
I've always been annoyed at how lenient they are to criminals in Korea. Why are they so kind to those who are selfish enough to others? It makes me angry, they don't deserve that protection!!!!
And those kids, they won't learn anything by not getting in trouble, they'll think they are above the law and do it again. The law can also be too kind to kids but if they are able to kill or hurt someone with no remorse, they don't deserve to get sympathy
I don’t think you know anything about what you are talking about. It’s the same in Europe and we are actually proud of it because we actually listen to the science. Countries with higher sentences always have higher crime rates. Do you wanna know why countries in Scandinavia are among the ones with the lowest crime rates? Because instead of just putting criminals in jail they actually try to help them to resocialize. Jail sentences in these countries are the lowest on earth yet the recidivism rate is also among the lowest on earth. Guess why?
Because most crimes are committed by men, and since Korea is such a patriarchal country they lessen prison sentences so that men can still thrive. Think about it, if they were drunk and sexually assaulted someone or even harassed, physically inflicted wounds or harm - they'd still be only serving a minimum sentence compared to other countries.
S.Korea needs to really re-evaluate their law system, but seeing as the new president seems to detest women's rights, foreigners and etc. I doubt hardly anything will be done.
And i definitely agree with the whole juvenile thing. Not all children are as pure and innocent as they seem. If they can do such vile things of course they need to pay for their crimes. Especially when they feel no remorse whatsoever and even feel proud of doing so. There's always that underlying sympathy for juveniles, but most the times in S.Korea it's wealthy children who cause most ruckus.
The fact juveniles can get away with that simply because of there age is EXTREMELY infuriating, here in the US it wouldn’t be so far fetched to say even if they got away with it they would have to watch their back, revenge killings can get real as hell here in the US especially if you are taunting the deceased.
Yeah I’m surprised that old man hasn’t been taken out yet since being released in 2020. I definitely would whoop his a$& every single day he left the house. I even heard he started his own business by opening up a convenience store on the first floor of his house at the same neighborhood he committed the crime. The girl still lives there too. I would be so mad if he ever got a single customer. I hope the neighbors shun him for life if they won’t get revenge.
That’s why we in Europe laugh about the justice system of America. It’s primitive and based more on revenge than rehabilitation. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation leads to less crimes. That’s why Europe is one of the places with the least amount of crimes while America is one of the places with the most crimes.
I wish I could find these pedos and murderers after they are released and do just that
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The part about Gabriel Fernandez really made me shed a tear. I had done a paper based on this on the past, and it's very dreadful what that kid had to go through. Another thing that makes it even more sad is that Gabriel tried to call cops for help, but they accused him of lying and did nothing until He passed.
The whole documentary on Netflix made me sob
Yes! If I remember correctly the child protective services were also once contacted by his teacher but they didn’t do anything :(
@@kate-nj2ss not only once, the teachers called the child protective services like 5 times!!!!! but they kept just going to the house and literally ASKING if everything was OKAY! can you believe it? so after a few times the mother stopped sending gabriel to school, which was 100% worst because now he was 24/7 at the hands of that monsters. i almost broke my tv when i watched the netflix documentary, i was in pure rage!!!
@@kate-nj2ss Yeah, there were about 70 calls made to child protective services by different individuals for them to look into the situation of Gabriel. When the social workers would go to his house, they would always interview him with his mother and her boyfriend present where he would obviously not be able to say the truth. They never separated him and talked to him alone and would always believe that he was lying about being abused even when he would have obvious bruises all over his body. It's so sad. His teacher even said that at a point, he didn't want to tell her when he was abused cos he was scared she would contact cps. And he asked her to stop calling them cos each time after they left, he would get beat up for that. And then the social workers never served any punishment, even though the prosecutor in charge of the case tried to sue about 4 workers who had been involved with Gabriel's case
What infuriates me more is that even after Gabriel's case, ANOTHER child died in the hands of abuse from their guardians, in the same area that Gabriel was living in. CPS once again stood back and yet another child die. And it still continues.
The Cho Doo Soon case actually makes me sick. Not only does that little girl have to live with the trauma and memory of what that man did to her, but he hurt her so badly that she permanently has to use a colostomy bag because she can no longer do something as simple as going to the toilet due to physical injuries. I heard that when he was released he went straight back to his old neighbourhood and lived there. That girl also lives there.
Fucking outrageous. So disgusting and sad how she has to live in fear bc of this son of a bitch.
And u know he's gonna reoffend and rape another kid.
Korea has one of the weakest judicial systems in the world. It’s actually sick that criminals get treated so well. Hell, they even get their face blurred out on TV as to not be shown to the public. I mean sexual predators constantly receive slap on the wrist sentence of less than 2 years. It’s an abomination of a judicial system that needs wholesale changes. However, it’ll probably never happen due to the corruption and the elitism that is so pervasive in Korean culture.
So true! It’s so shameful I can’t believe it. I also hope for a change but like you said their system is so corrupt so that’s unlikely…
Have you ever heard of California judicial system, especially SF and LA?
I think in India is worse.🤔
i think its so people wont assult or harass extended fsmily
@@triplebbb1484 SF?
Another HUGE difference I’ve noticed between the U.S. and S. Korea is how they portray the criminals in the media. The news in Korea always blurs out their faces and distorts their voices and the police always give them a mask and a hat to cover up when they’re being transported. Here in America, everyone knows what they look like before they even go to trial. If it was only the victims, I’d understand, but why bother giving evil people privacy? Is there a reason other than heavy censorship laws?
You say "even before they go to trial" So you are happy with people who have not been found guilty of a crime being treated as criminals? Because often they arent actually evil people, they are not guilty of the crimes and their lives could be destroyed due to a misunderstanding, or a lie.
@@dorianleakey girl most of them are guilty we dont give af here. and if they aren't it is obvious when they aren't and ppl will support them.
Because often they are innocent and if you don't believe in the concept of trial then you are evil in the same way actual criminals are.
@@dorianleakey they have a right to a trial 💀💀but when it’s obvious like this where the evidence is clear AND the trial proves them guilty y hide their faces ????
@@tea7048 How obvious does it need to be?
The fact that they made the child go to the courtroom? insane, my blood is boiling
He now lives only a couple of blocks from her after his release despite the parents' protests. That's how fucked up it is.
@@xmirame Excuse me???? I MUST be reading this wrong!!!!! This can't be possible!!!!!
@@ems5454 yeah I almost went insane when I know that, he dare refuses to move... That child inside were out when they found her and she have permanent disabilities.
WHAT IM CRYING @@xmirame
I will never understand that being drunk or high lessens a sentence.
If you drink so much or use drugs in a way that you "don't know what you are doing", there should be a mandatory extra 10 years, on top of the regular punishment.
It should never be possible to use intoxication as an excuse.
@Mylena Ribeiro It is not an excuse that should be used for mitigation. The simple solution is not to drink so much, and not to do drugs.
The whole idea that drug addiction is an illness is bullshit.
Cancer is an illness ... drug addiction is a choice. Don't touch drugs, not even once, and you won't get addicted. Very simple.
Depends on what substance/circumstances are involved. There are cases of people who have experienced massive brain trauma and woke up in a hospital only to attack staff because they aren't truly aware of where they are, and then they don't remember it afterwards. Some drugs can have similar effects, which is why most dangerous drugs are illegal in the first place.
Another thing to consider is the crime itself, if you aren't in your right mind and you end up committing violence because you thought you were being threatened but don't remember doing so afterwards, I'd be more lenient. Such as a kidnapping victim whose been drugged and they unknowingly end up attacking law enforcement because they literally can't tell the difference between the people hurting them and the people trying to help them. As unfortunate as it is that the officers in question are injured, the victim shouldn't be charged with assault because they aren't in their right mind.
On the other hand, if you were knowingly partaking of an illegal activity, such as drugs, even if you didn't fully understand the possible side effects, it's criminal negligence. I don't need to understand the side effects of setting a building on fire that happens to be full of explosive gas tanks, I'm still committing the crime of arson. The fact that the building explodes because of the fire might be unintentional, but it's still my fault for being negligent while committing a crime. In the same vein, someone that chooses to get high and then rapes/murders another person shouldn't be shown leniency because they were somehow "not of sound mind," they were already committing a crime, which happened to lead to violence and/or sexual violence/murder, which is why criminal negligence comes into play.
If you decide to drink or do some type of drug you should be prosecuted for being irresponsible and reckless. Like it shouldn't make your sentence less it should make it more because you decided to get so incredibly annihilated that you did something horrible. Drinking culture so bad in Korea and I feel like maybe this type of leniency is due to the fact that so many people drink and perhaps they're more understanding that you do stupid things when you drink but at the same time for this type of crime it should be unacceptable.
Islam forbids drinking of alcohol as to avoid situations like these, so that you are fully responsible for your actions and not because of some bullshit intoxicated excuses
@@intanpayung7026 yeah cuz like 1 of the girl in this vid said if being an influenced of alcohol can be used as an excuse for ur crime, then lots of ppl out there could just do the same. Drink alcohol while commiting crime to lessen their sentences
In my country if you are under any influence, drugs or alcohol, it is counted as guilt strengthening condition, therefore you get more harsh sentence.
Good! That’s how it should be! Rape cases all over Korea are literally thrown under the rug cause the man was drunk so he didn’t know any better🙄 I mean cmon!
Which country are you from? I want to move there, dang
In my country being under any influence of alcohol (in a place other than ur home or licensed venues) or drugs is already a crime in on itself 💀😭 I’m very glad
FR WE SHOULD HAVE THAT MENTALITY IN THE US. The “I was intoxicated” card just makes u seem even more guilty trying to get out of the case u obviously committed. The lack of responsibility and acknowledgment should be an indicator of a bad person, cus if you were truly a good-at-heart person you would accept what actions you’ve done regardless bc you were ashamed.
Which country are you from? Your system seems good.
As a Korean American, I am very disappointed and embarrassed by the Korean legal system. Crimes against a child only gets 12 years?!?!? WTF?
That guy would have gone to prison for life if he did that in the US. The Korean legal system should take child abuse and domestic violence more seriously and punish these sick bastards.
I heard she will never able to have a kid of her own and she can’t pee any more so she wear a bag on her stomach, i forget what it’s called. I heard her rapist moved back in same town but under police watch like CCTV around his house, so her dad was angry. I remember reading about it.
In Germany you only get 2 years prison when you raped a child.... That makes me even more angry. And up to 10 years when you don't want to pay your taxes
As a human being the S. Korean Judicial System infuriates me. SO MANY things are wrong about it and they're to lenient as a whole. They want to keep this ideal perception of perfection of the country but they let people go with a slap on the wrist when they commit crimes so horrendous??? Even as a teen or pre-teen (11-14) they have FULL understanding of what they do and only do it because they don't know fear. They have zero fear of the repercussions of their actions and commit the crimes because they KNOW they'll get away with it. IT"S SO UPSETTING!!!!
On the flip side, there are cases in the US where criminals are let off easy because 'they have a bright future and going to jail would hurt that', with total disregard to victims and the probability of repeat offending. Edit for clarity, I guess: This is entirely regarding US cases because all the ones shown have strong penalties. No comment on or comparison with Korea.
It’s the exact same in Korea, probably worse. In the US the case is atleast known to the public. If you have money in Korean you can make it so the case never happened and no one knows about it so it’s not on any permanent records… I’m sure some millionaires do the same in the US but it’s not an “on the flip side” topic cause it’s the same both places
@@bourgeoisie7991 my dude I meant 'on the flip side' of the US cases they showed, which all had harsh penalties. No comment on Korea at all.
@@mollyapteros gotcha 👍 my mistake
@@bourgeoisie7991 No problem. 😘
Normally happens if the family has money.
I’m surprised crime isn’t much more prevalent in Korea seeing as how such unimaginable crimes get basically a slap on the wrist in comparison to what the victims get. It’s honestly embarrassing and shameful their system. So heartbreaking for the victims, the baby’s life was taken so take the killers too!!!
actually sexual and juvenile crimes are extremely rampant in korea it’s just that with how their justice system is, many get 0 help, can’t seek help or don’t seek help. cus the outcomes already known.
There isn't less crime, it's simply underreported. You can leave valuable things at a table in a Korean cafe and no one will steal them. I've heard countless foreigners say that they felt very safe walking alone at night. But the amount of misogyny, s*xual assaults, molka, r*ape, stalking and bullying is insane. Victims get no justice - only public humiliation - if they come out, so a lot of people don't even try.
@@ahnhyungseobhaveyoulearnth8286 right! Yes ofc that makes sense my bad! I definitely have heard of how rapes especially are just swept under the rug! Really sad
@@RhythmAddictedState yeah definitely! I also have heard many stories like that! My bad
@@RhythmAddictedState There is less crime. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than hard punishments leads to less crimes. That’s why in Europe crime rates are so low despite having one of the most lenient systems.
I'm reading a Webtoon called Get Schooled, and the part about the juveniles thinking they can essentially get away with murder reminded me about it. There needs to be change with how Korea runs it's punishments.
I would like to read but I think I will be so frustrated about the sentence that I will not continue.
I read that too and I always get frustrated whenever a bully get away because they are minors and those ppl push the victims to their limit to the point of just wanting to die.
@@doyoueverdreamofdream4110 I just want to clarify, the Webtoon gets justice for the victims. I've tried replying but my messages won't go through. I'd recommend reading it.
@@gremal2135 I read it too
Its quite cool, I like it when the bullies get what they deserve
@@gremal2135 oh nice. Thanks for sharing that now I know I can read without being that frustrated.
In Korea, it seems that instead of punishing the criminals, the system finds excuses for them.
It happened again recently a student raped a girl and apparently killed her dragged her body on campus and just dumped her in a public space in front of a student apartment building if I remember correctly... These thing keep happening too much and they all get small sentences .
On top of their sentence in the US, they have to deal with other prisoners who usually target those that harm children especially sex offenders.
That’s true. Even though it’s awful, I’m okay with it. Anyone who is a sexual predator, especially towards children, should be tortured.
Thay do the same thing in France ... They have to keep them from the other prisoners in special departements
Should have a Korean judges react to US judges sentencing & see what they think of all this..
agree!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
I remember being so shocked when I learned that minors in SK don't undergo criminal punishment. Not only did those kids commit such a heinous crime, but they showed absolutely no remorse for their actions. To go as far as bragging about it, it absolutely makes me sick. And the blurring/blocking of the criminal's face on the news is something I didn't learn about until recently. It sounds like there's more concern and protection for the perpetrator than there is for the victims.
Obviously the US judicial system has plenty of flaws; even though there are times when the system gets it right (like with the cases shown in the video), there are still times where it fails miserably. One example is a guy by the name of Brock Turner who was literally caught r*ping a girl. But ultimately he was sentenced to 6 months and only served half of it.
That's the whole point! They are too young to understand the consequences of their actions.
In Germany you are also not a "legal body" until you turn 14 but treated as an extension of your parents (who will be held accountable for neglect of their supervisory role and the children most likely taken away by child protection services)
Rip to Gabriel and all the other children who get abused on the side
i remember being so frustrated when i heard about the first two cases showed from Korea. not just with the sentencing but with the way the criminals are protected so much with face coverings and coats etc. then again when the man was released he moved into a home so close to where the girl he assaulted lived
What makes me mad is that if a victim is drunk it suddenly becomes their fault but when the assaulter/ crimnal is drunk it isn’t their fault bc they aren’t in the correct state of mind
There are pros and cons to both systems. US sentences heavily for offenses that they could be lenient on and Korea sentences too lightly on serious offenses that should be more heavily punished.
The woman who said "everyone will just drink after a crime" was so real. Bc if you can do something heinous and get away with it "bc you were drunk," why wouldn't criminals just drink AFTER to lessen their sentence? It's honestly bullshit.
Cant agree more.
Korea seriously needs to consider changing their constitution of law. You cannot be forgiving to people who weren’t the same to their victims.
The justice systems all over the world need to undergo drastic changes. In most cases, victims of atrocious crimes don’t receive the proper justices they rightfully deserve. There may be some other situations wherein the suspects make it seem like they’re the actual victims by posing as the innocent ones. There’s just some danger to it that is very unsettling.
The system works fine...for those in power.
It only needs reforms in countries that go as hard on crimes as the US. We in Europe laugh about that because that’s actually one of the reasons for their high crime rates. It’s scientifically proven that focusing more on rehabilitation than on punishment leads to less crimes. It may go against your feelings but that’s just basic science.
The crimes are moer common and worse in the US where the sentences are stronger, so your wish for revenge will not reduce crime.
@@flowerpower0323 Would you wanna to rehabilitate a child rapist and murder?
This was an amazing video and I’ve also been annoyed at how lenient the Korean Judicial System is to criminals, and how their face is protected. I’m super happy to see that they also felt the same way & outrage as we did over seas for the crimes that happened. Thank you for this video 💖
the Vedant Agrawal hit-and-run case:
- 17-year-old Vedant Agrawal was involved in a hit-and-run accident in Pune, India, killing two people.
- He was driving under the influence of alcohol and lost control of the car.
- Agrawal was arrested and granted bail with conditions, including writing an essay on road accidents.
- His parents are accused of using their influence to manipulate the investigation and cover up the incident.
- The case has sparked public outrage, with calls for stricter laws and greater accountability for minors involved in serious offenses.
The criminal is free for now
He got a terrible punishment of writing essay about road safety 🥺
The first crime they showed for the Korean example has a movie based on it called, "Hope." Not sure what streaming services, but it made me cry for hours. I think I cried for about 80% of the movie and then more afterwards. That case is truly heartbreaking especially since I didn't realize it was a real case until the end of the movie.
The Gabriel Fernandez case will forever be in my head. Even thinking about him and the ways a lot of people could’ve saved him really pisses me off and upsets me. I hope he is now peacefully and happily resting now that he’s away from the one person that was supposed to cherish him as a miracle.
미국에선 가해자들의 얼굴을 다 보여주는데
한국에선 가해자들의 얼굴을 다 가리잖아요.
이게 말이 안되지.
I think a lot of it has to come down to privacy laws because my understanding your privacy laws in Korea are much stricter than ours, but also in general I feel like the American populous does not believe that if you’ve committed violent offensive crimes that your privacy should be given to you Your face should be known people should be aware of who you are especially if you’re someone who’s not gonna be locked up in prison for the rest of your life and who has a set release date. Also court records are public in America. You can look up and see if someone has a criminal record
The fact that they have the children in the court room is diabolical
A friend of mine was a prison guard here in the US, as he told me, even criminals have a code against child abusers and they do not fair well in prison. Some of the most heinous offenders have been beat to death in prison. Poetic justice!
I am literally shook of the child rape case shown I can't believe he was just sentenced for 12 years and what immense amount of pressure grief and emotional toll must have been on the child she must be scared to death even at the thought of going out....drunk or no a crime is still a crime. If they sentence the criminal on the basis of being drunk, I think there's something wrong with the law.
I’m not sure how familiar you are with the case, but it is an even more of a slap in the face when you realize that that child is permanently disabled because of the horrendous amount of trauma that was done to her body. It is a horrifying and disgusting case, and every single part about that case will make you angry from what actually happened to how the trial goes to the sentencing to the fact that he is released and moved back into the neighborhood that he previously lived in where that girl currently lived at that time.
When it comes to rape and sexual assault I don’t think these people deserve to be free,murder has many variables and reasons but rape is never understandable and these people are true monsters that will never change
So many people involved in Gabriels case, lawyers, investigators, etc. had to receive counseling after the case bc of how messed up and horrendous the abuse was .
The case of Gabriel Fernandez literally made me cry so badly, I cant hear about the case without uncontrollably sobbing. My family has dealt with abuse (obviously not that badly, may he be resting peacefully 🙏🏽) and he kind of reminds me of my little brother because of his kind actions and they look somewhat similar. He deserved so much better. CPS failed him like the other kids who went through shit at home
1. He's a child, he just wanted to feel loved he wasn't a bad kid at all. 2. even after all the beating he still appreciated his mom and gave her little drawings. :(
I was near tears in sadness and anger of how those monsters were given a lesser sentence even though they did such horrible things to that baby and at 7:49 That's horrible hearing of what they caused.
In the US there have been cases where a teen and even pre-teen are held in juvie (in a juvenile detention center) until they reach 18 and be retried or be moved to prison. But there are cases so severe where they're tired as an adult as in the video there.
I remember a case I heard about that happened years ago. The victim was a child of around 5 or 7 years old, and the murderer was around 10 or 13 years old. He was tried as an adult because of what he had done to the other boy during and after his death.
I now understand why bullying in Korea is such an issue. There is no repercussions
I pressed charges on an abuser at 17 for SA and he was given 5 consecutive weekends in jail. As in he only stayed in jail on the weekends. It was first offense so it didn’t stay in his record and he didn’t have to register as on offender even though he pled guilty. Unfortunately the US takes SA far less seriously that it may seem.
I have a brother that’s been locked up in Angola prison here in Louisiana since he was 18 years old he was locked up at 18 in 1998 for counts of armed robbery charges he got over 50 years in prison and have seen murderers and serial killers go and come including child killers and rapist but the one thing he’s always told me was that it was better for a child killer and a rapist to die then come to prison and live. I have heard some horrific well deserved stories.
Gabriel's case broke me. There is a Netflix series that goes through the extent of what he had to endure. There were lots a failures although justice was ultimately served it was not an easy process
10:25 nah fuck that if you wanna drive like an adult and think you grown, you can get sentenced like an adult.
The choi jung case truly made me sick when reading about it and the fact his wife supports him still makes me absolutely full with rage
To those unaware, Isaro Guirre (murdered & tortured the 8 yr old boy in 2nd case) was sentence to death, however it still hasn't been carried out. He's still waiting for his execution to this day, his execution date has yet to be decided. It's been 6 years (tried & sentenced in 2018) since & doesn't seem like he's going to face his sentencing anytime soon.
i remember watching the Gabriel Fernandez case with my mom. she wouldn’t stop cursing out everyone taht was apart of it. truly horrible case. it’s infuriating
This is even better when you know most of the cast are studying law, hopefully we can see a change with the newer generation
What I really want to know is how did it get like this, because it seems like the majority of Korean citizens don't agree with leniency for such serious crimes, is it just corruption or what?
I have the same question because obviously the majority are not okay with it, so who’s keeping it up??
I recently just got finished with a court case. For 5 years from the age 9-14 a father was s3xually abusing his oldest daughter, and she finally worked the courage up to tell her step mom. He pleaded guilty, and now he get 3 years in prison. He’s being sent for 5, but it’s most likely he only has to spend 2-3 years
the jeong-in case made me cry so hard when i read the details. when they showed how much force it needs to break the ribs, i cried even harder and it was in front of my brother. i have 3 younger siblings and the thought of a child younger than them being in that pain just broke my heart
i remember hearing of the first two korea cases, i've watched the movie based off the first case. it was so heart breaking to see the ruling. i don't understand how you can be light with people so evil. i hope they eventually strengthen the longevity of the punishments. too many dangerous people are so easily let out.
The Korea judicial system is ridiculous for giving those monsters lenient punishments especially the youthful offenders.. and they even gloated about it on social media. They will never learn.
For those who don't know much about the American prison system, you should understand that getting locked up for something like child molestation is effectively a death sentence. Certain crimes guarantee that your fellow prisoners will assault you.
Very interesting video. I will say for the US (as I’m sure with other countries) those who are rich and in power (and white) often get lighter sentences. The debate around the death penalty in the US is also interesting along with the issues of black people being in prison more than white people (there’s a great Ted-Ed that discusses bail which relates to it and the movie/book Just Mercy that goes into the racial bias in the Americana legal system) Great video as always!
Race doesn't matter money does
Ice is right. Wealth is the biggest issue with crime
@@minority86 32% of the US population is represented by African Americans and Hispanics, compared to 56% of the US incarcerated population being represented by African Americans and Hispanics. So yes it is about wealth but who holds the wealth in this country…. not black and brown folks
@@liviw.8726 Thank you
@@minority86 You are saying no one is racist in the US? No cops? No judges? None?
another thing I like about the U.S. (probably also happens at other countries), when certain prisoners find out that there are child abusers or anyone who was put in prison for harming a child, they take it upon themselves to make sure that person lives HELL while there. I heard that other prisoners attacked Gabriel Fernandez’s mother after finding out what she did through a prison guard.
I’m from the same city as Gabriel Fernandez, and when his death happened it was very, very shocking to us all. I am very knowledgeable about our system for children (I was a foster child in the same system that failed Gabriel), and the things I have seen/witnessed/heard were a nightmare. I can’t even imagine how terrified he was 😞
The car homicide from Korea was actually interpreted in the Netflix series juvenile justice!!
I've known this even as a young child. As a Korean American, this is the one thing I'm ashamed of about Korea. You would think that because their society is so strict with everything they would have severe punishments!
What I hate about Korea is the fact that the criminals are allowed to hide their face…why? It’s so annoying. Why are we protected people that do horrific crimes, especially towards children.
(5:59) Many in the US feel that in those situations, they should die the same way the victim did.
i really enjoy this channel,, it’s informative to see the cultural differences and to get actual input from those who live there is nice because just a little reminder that there’s still humanity left in the world
The social workers for Gabrielle should have also been punished....they could have saved him if they had done their job thoroughly. Watching that documentary on Netflix made me so mad so many times.
I think its bit more then that, if social services would have more funding, and complete renovation from the inside out, than more kids can be saved.
@@cherryblossom7120 Yeah it starts from the top
In the US we widely believe in a life for a life. If one threatens our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (meaning independence, safety, and private ownership) then that traitor forfeits their own rights.
Interestingly, when women commit the same crimes as men in Korea, they are punished more. So the problem is three-fold: (1) the sentences are too short, (2) it's a mysogynistic system that favours male criminals, (3) sex-related crimes aren't punished sufficiently
the justice system needs to be reworked everywhere, but especially in places like japan and korea.
the reason i say this is because of the case of junko furuta, 44 days in hell if i recall correctly. her funeral and multiple documentaries are here on youtube if you want to know what happened, as there is too much to explain, and its all far too disturbing. her murderers are still out there. she was 17.
I remember watching part of a documentary on the Gabriel Fernandez case, but was so horrified by learning what they did to him that I didn't have the stomach to finish it. That alone makes me a bit hesitant to find out more about Jeong-in's abuse and subsequent death, especially knowing that she certainly didn't get anything close to justice.
The Hope movie is really heartbreaking. It's really ridiculous how the suspect only got 12 years for what he did. 12 years and he got a chance to live his life again. While the victim still suffers mentally and physically until to this day.
Korea’s criminal justice system being more screwed up than ours is insane. Especially when you look at the punishments given to private citizens who commit crimes versus, say, kpop idols who date someone or smoke a cigarette and lose their whole career.
Not sure about comparisons with Korea, but in the US it's important that each crime is charged because there are multiple opportunities for the defendant to appeal the case after sentencing. For example in the first case, if the criminal was able to get the death sentence commuted or dismissed for any reason, he still has to face life in prison for the s**ual assault. It prevents people working the legal system and ensures punishment is enforced.
i feel like the korean system has a slippery closed loop system with their personal privacy laws, and idk why they very consistently give the same rights to everyone not adding into consideration whether they are the perpetrator or the victim or how massive their crime is?
cos from what i understand with the US system, is that a lot of it, especially involving heavy crimes, are treated case-by-case and all aspects of the case is put into consideration for sentencing. psychology and social media use is what i noticed has been highlighted in US cases recently; what the perp did before, during, and after the crime can indicate their intent!
it seems like the korean system only looked at what happened during the crime ONLY, which leaves the human aspect completely out of the case! it doesn't look like justice to me, this looks like the 1st class exercise for a law elective course where the grades don't matter.
I never heard of the cho doo soon case before but hearing it now makes me horrified.. I truly hope the Korean criminal system gets fixed soon this is terrible wtf
Extremely terrible what he did to that poor girl. She has to wear a colostomy bag for the rest of her life because he raped her so bad her intestine fell out. He lives now in her neighborhood. There have been a few attacks on him, he has even broken curfew and still isn't punished. He now has basically police protection so he can be "safe". The victim's father is trying to raise money to help them move. She is too scared to even leave her home.
Any criminal acts against children should be severe across the board. Death if need be.
death should be last thing to be given, they should be reminded of their crime, relive it as the victim n never escape, not even to death, if they try, save them, let them recover before resuming.
At least when inmates get informed about the terrible crimes, they take matters into their own hands.
I once saw an accident in Korea where a taxi t-boned a motorcycle so hard that it cut the motorcycle in half. The driver got a reduced punishment because he was drunk.
My mum’s boyfriend was a police inspector and in 2016 (when I was around 11) he was arrested and sentenced for making and sharing explicit child videos including of me. He was sentenced to 9 years but only served 2 and a half years because it was his “coping from trauma of war”. Even the UK law is unacceptable and I still wish I got justice for the crimes he committed against me
There’s this show y’all need to react to it’s called Beyond Scared Straight
"sentenced the stepmother 35 years and the stepfather 5 years"
If that ain't Korea...
I've always heard that the misogyny in South Korea was so terrible and some locals don't even know it since it's all they know. It's so sad, the problem is very apparent seeing these rulings.
Also, and I say this every time I watch the Korean news......It makes me so, SO happy to see a KSL newscaster delivering the news in real time with the spoken language newscaster. We don't have anything like that in USA, and there are generally no closed captions for the hearing impaired, either.
Wow this was eye opening. This is also case by case basis bc here there are plenty of sex offenders and murderers who get less time than drug offenders.
I'll never forget the Gabriel Fernandez case!
Koreas justice system is a JOKE. The last case literally made me so mad i can’t believe those kids weren’t put in prison after they stole a car and killed someone with it? My heart goes for that man’s family, to lose someone in that way and not even get justice because of those disgusting judges.
what's crazy on that US juvenile case is that there are actual people on social media that are demanding for his release because 'he is too attractive' kind of bs...anyways, I've heard and read about the Cho Do-soon and Jeong-in cases before and all i think is it's just too crazy of a punishment that even me hearing about it just ruins my day. it's crazy how they get away with such heinous crimes
I think one of the major differences in this is also that US victims families also stand by them and ensure the criminal gets punished to full degree, I've heard horrible stories of korean girls being silenced by their own mothers even when they got assaulted by someone in the family cuz "image" is so important for them.
neither system is perfect in anyway, but Korean judicial system I'd say needs more work. these light sentences are insane for the level of crime
Korea needs to step up their punishments for crimes committed in Korea. It deters others from committing the same crimes. My opinion the defendant Choi Jong-sul should have been either sent to prison for life / no parole or sentenced to death.
Bro every time I heard the Korean sentence I teares up, like that’s actually so sad.
Sometimes im really glad the US had punishments such as the death penalty, but then I realize how many people could be innocent to these accusations and they still receive the sentence of death.
Thats what ive noticed in south korea..there is a lot of leniency given to the criminal. Their faces are covered on tv, it takes a long tjme to provide justice to the victim...and the sentences are just not that enough. Like, the justice is not for the victim at all.
Netizens only knows how to criticize Idols... 😴
As long that the justice system of South Korea will never change women and children there are in continuous danger. Men in korea see women below them.
Well this was a eyeopener I thought Asian countries were a lot more strict on the criminals than the we are in the US I guess I'm gonna have to do further research
Yeah I find many times that people from the US think the US is the most unjust terrible place in the world and it’s honestly funny as someone who was born in Mexico. And yeah the US sucks too many times but cmon. Step out of your bubble ya know? (Not saying you said that btw just adding on to the eye opener bit)
@@bourgeoisie7991 claro, en latinoamerica la justicia es casi inexistente
The Cho Doo Soon case was horrific. How he was EVER released is beyond me. They did not protect that little girl. The US system can ve rather light on PDFs, but if that level of harm was levelled against a child, I doubt he'd make it out of prison alive. He'd be facing attempted murder charges on top of alk the otger counts. The systemvwould be hard pressed to ever let him out again. Like, any case of CSA should be life imprisonmemt, but that case was especially egregious. But we in the US tend to give the harsh punishments after loss of life, when it'sfar too late. We want harsher punishment before it gets that far. We want longer sentences for such acts, but so far, no dice. And it can ve different, state by state. You almost hope they screwed up and took things across state lines or disseminated CP so they get sentenced federally, which is WAY harsher. But there are no perfect systens, and we all lament that sentences are rarely harsh enough. Capital punishment isn't a deterrent, it just makes them try to hide the bodies better. And SA and CSA are still not seen as violent enough crimes and they get let out when they never should see freedom again. Like, one guy got off with probation after SAing a drunk girl in an alley by a dumpster with the affluenza defense. It's awful.
They don’t even show faces no matter the crime😢
I wish some of these cases would use "eye for an eye" method of judging.
Now do one for possession of marijuana! Here in Texas depending on the amount it could be up to two years in prison. My search for South Korea showed 5 years maximum sentence.
They be giving sentences for the wrong crimes… hell, their whole justice system is f*cked up😒🤢(and not only south korea, there are tons of countries with messed up justice systems, at this point, you can’t even call it a justice system).
that doesn't work because korea thinks of weed like how we think of meth. there so uninformed on Marijuana
It’s disturbing how the jail sentence is higher for possession/use of drugs than that of harming, raping and killing other people…
@@DulcisAbsentia It’s the highest potential penalty
The highest potential penalty of the crimes you mentioned is life but Korea rarely ever even goes near the highest penalties
I have a friend who got caught with a Percocet pill and was fined 2,000 US dollars
Hiring a prostitute has a max penalty of one year but in practice it’s about a 300 dollar fine with fines increasing depending on your record
Man i got terrors after seeing 'hope' . The pain of the little girl....it made me cry and frightened at the same time .
how tf they think it was ok for that baby the be in the court with her raplst ???????