Evolution Of Mavic Bike Hubs
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- Mavic has always be synonymous with cycling, especially when it comes to wheels. Their iconic yellow and black colours have been a feature of racetracks from road and track cycling to mountain biking. Doddy takes a look at their new Instant Drive 360 hubs, which are now on all their mountain bike wheelsets.
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Mavic used to use the tried and tested pawl and spring system for their freehubs, but have now moved on. They have replaced their IST-4 system and now use their Instant Drive 360 free hub. It uses a dual ratchet system and 40 teeth to give excellent engagement. It’s more efficient, more reliable and smoother rolling.
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How cool are Mavic's new hubs? What do you think of their new design?
Mavic's new design looks awesome. Also, more of these 'history of tech' style videos, please!
It now looks like DT Swiss Hub =) with that sayed... DT Swiss is making a brilliant Job =P
only 51 tooth? my one has 54 tooth. And just by the way... i modded mine and make them slightly louder.
It is the Only one Video on my "Channel"
Looks just like DT Swiss design. If you want to look at something ahead of its time, take a look at onyx and stealth hubs.
Obviousley simular to the DT Swiss, but isn't that what's Shimano is also doing a version of?
You forget to write mavic’s new hubs SYSTEM.
Four years later and this video is still informative and relevant. Good work Doddy and team!
Thanks dfiler2! Great to hear 👍
hands down doddy is the best addition to the gmbn channel.
Really great hub , I have one low budget one and its great and they were good in the seventies also. I really like the mavic wheels in the seventies!
This video was fantastic. I love seeing the history of where we came from with biking compared to where we are at now.
Thanks Ryan!
Why on earth has no one come up with that hub idea before?! So simple, so logical, looks effective and so easily serviceable!
Dear GMBN, this is the best type of video you do. Doddy is especially good presenter for this kind of stuff. 👍
I love and ride Mavic rims and can't wait for the day I can ride a complete engineered wheelset of theirs. I like how the latest hub engineering mirrors my personal fav which is Chris King and his 72 point engagement ring drive system. When it all comes down to it spending extra money on wheels and tires is just smart money !
You are the tech master when it comes to mountain bikes. I swear something I used to know just got pushed out of my brain with all that info. Great tech vid.
This host is a gifted technical instructor. I love this side channel only because he is so good.
Insightful video Doddy. You are a great speaker! Love the history of the Mavic Hubs. Great innovation over the years.
This video changed my life. Can’t wait to rage DH on my new Mavic XA Elites I bought mid video!
I never realised I was so interested in how hubs work. Great show GMBN, keep it up.
Mavic must've been like a Cannondale in their days :D That one company to rule in unconventional and shocking ideas, I love it!
Kuba Gajda we need those type of guys...just imagine how uninventive would it be if it was all shimano
Exactly. And while many people seem to hesitate against the changes, it is so satisfying to own this quirky stuff and show everyone how well it works :D
Thanks, I always learn so much about bikes on GMBN Tech. Keep it up :)
As a roadie, I really appreciated this video and the excellent demonstration of the ID360 hubs. Well done!
Nice content would love seeing more of this. That said I don’t understand the hype about any hub with more than a single degree of engagement. i9’s 0.52 degree engagement now that’s actually impressive.
Honestly I’d say that anything under 3° is sufficient, but yeah, 9° is not impressive at all.
Doddy- just took a sideways glance at you in the vid and the wheel around your head is hilarious! Great stuff as usual my man thank you. I've always laced up Mavic rims myself.
To see how the hub works you pawl it apart (ba dum tss)
Spike Spikus
Hubba hubba
😂
I’ve been riding Mavic wheels since the late 90’s and they’re strong and stay trued. I’ve never bought the Max, always the lower end and they’re more than fine for weekend rides in my local trails down here in South Florida.
I love my mavic with a maxxis tyre, full French 🐸 🇫🇷 🇫🇷
You mountain bikers are so lucky to have Doddy. Alright, he has a fancy haircut, but apart from that he's just strait to the point, bombarding us with interesting information. Would love to have that on GCN.
Mavic actually didn't always have two bearings in the freehub. For years they had a bearing on the outboard side, but an awful plastic bushing on the inner side that would wear down over time and result in play in the cassette. Not only did the bushing wear, but the aluminum part of the hub that it moved against would wear down too so eventually the stock bushings wouldn't work anymore... I don't understand why Mavic didn't just put a second bearing on those freehubs.
They didn't do it properly because they're French. Engineering things differently just to be different.
I had that hub, worst wheel I have ever owned.
Because Mavic degradated with the whole bicycle market. Thanks to Rohloff, I have to ride somewhat not being a marketing part planned to die in 2-3 years of normal usage.
Yes, this is the reason why I never bought their wheels - the stupid bushing design.
This new DT Swiss ratchet copy looks promising though.
Any knowledgeable or true history would have included their lows and their highs to give a true reflection of their history and development / Im in the middle of fixing the truly awful wheel hub from an old SLE COSMIC REAR WHEEL ridiculous amounts of play in the bushing; have had to order the hub doctor kit from america to solve.
Hi Doddy, I love that episode about Mavic. Since I believe 1998 when I’ve got chance to look on My brother’s magazines and catalogs Mavic wheels were our wheels of dream, for me DeeMax, and brother Crossmax. Actually I have DT Swiss hub with upgraded from bontrager rings with 54 points of engagement, wich is nice in MTB. But, i’ve been riding for 10 years Bike Trial and there I’ve got 109 points. So dt for me is still not enough fast engaging.
Kind Regards for whole GMBN TEAM.
That was a really helpful video and I will be purchasing some Mavic MTB wheels today with the new ID360 hubs. Just wanted to see the hubs in action so a great review and history lesson. The old 500 series hubs that we used back in the day were revolutionary when they came out and were better than the best from Campagnolo that I used previously. Changing the axles was a breeze to as was changing the disc wheels hubs for track use.
Good to see that they have not sat on their laurels as many manufacturers have and offer the tech across the range.
That was well presented. Loved it! I have an old set of Mavic Cosmos from 2002 that are still in service. Great wheelset but discontinued a while ago. Debating on another set of Mavics for my mountain bike or going with something more traditional.
I love the ID360 hub, it's so easy to take apart and service. Beats cup and cone hubs and freehubs with pawls
I have these yellow Mavic wheels on my yeti sb66.
I still have that 2011 cross trail wheel set @13:40 on my old trek fuel. It's Solid as a rock. Though it has only 2paws in it but with proper care. Still doing its job like new. Love mavic wheels. Wish I could have them in my new bike.
I really like doddy when he's explaining the techy stuff. 😄 Thank you for all the info..!
No problem!
nice video. thank you very much. learned a lot. go the mavic crossride before id360, but they really nice too
Very informative and thorough. Thank you.
Interesting watch.
The bike industry admits DT star ratchet is the best. nice looking wheels.
Thank you Doddy, very informative and thanks for assembling all of the hub examples, Even I could understand what you were talking about! Ride on! Tim
The new mavic hubs are Very similar to the dt swiss ratchet system.... I've used shimano xtr hubs, mavic sx its, hope pros, easton m1's, sun ringle chargers but have to say that the dt 240 hubs have been the most robust and reliable of them all!
Awesome video doddy, you explained it so clearly and kept it interesting. Thanks mate
Are you going to turn this into a series Doddy? Would be cool to find out the evolution of other companies for different parts of the bike. Maybe you could talk about brakes next.
Not a bad idea! Thanks for the suggestion.
Great bed time story, uncle Doddy, seriously amazing feature, thank you for the content guys.
I had some mavic crossmax enduro wheels. The spokes snap all the time. Moved to some Chris kings laced to dt swiss which were a huge improvement
WOW this is full of so good info! Love how detailed you went to show how these work! :D
Got a pair of crossrocs and I love them!
I like the maxxis cross ride disc and rim 💯🤟
Now this is an infomertial I cant complain about!
Have this hub on my xa35 pro carbon wheels. Great engagement and holding up well. Stiff and lightweight
what a cool video Doddy, thanks mate, I don't have the most updated version but they are brilliant nonetheless
Very good video - thank you!
Superb detail. Thanks!
That new Mavic's system looks pretty much like DT Swiss "Star Ratchet". But I guess it is good to have competition between brands.
Now I know how cool the Mavic wheels are on my Capra lol.
nice to catch up with the newer hubs, that clutch mechanism is almost identical to my very early 90's DT hugi, they were also especially loud, especially with a tight set of spokes in a noisy aluminium Merlin malt 2.
Criss king hub is the one !!
Liamr300 Yates water ingress wrecks them and they are heavy
Nice.. when you show Hope history ;)
Another great evaluation from you excellent level of knowledge Doddy you are a one off man thank you for another fantastic video,PD
You had me at yellow rims
Thanks a lot for old Mavic's hub 500 awesome review! That's all information I need for building my own DIY hub for freewheel, because it's too expensive fo me to buy modern systems, but couple freewheels I got for free from scrap metal.
Mavic are the best, but so far an unattainable dream for me.
My favorite part is when doddy casually puts the rim over his head
Do these new hubs develop play in the freehub body after a few hundred miles? Wouldn't want to lose that signature cassette slop that only Mavics can provide!
This is an interesting and great video from Mavic hubs and wheels. Thanks a lot.
My rear axle got stuck after a day of riding in very muddy and wet conditions. I'm riding Mavic xa pro carbon 2017, similar or same as Doddy holds in 13:21. Finding out how to open it, check the bearings, clean it using right grease and seal it again while not damaging any part of it, is a tricky task if you're not a pro. Might be very useful to make a video for this particular maintenance task (haven't found any on GMBN Tech). I believe it would save some pain to many fresh Mavic riders!
Lots of us roadies were seduced, and severely stung by those early Ksyrium wheel sets way back in the early 2000's. Back then the Ksyrium's 1500 gram weight for a pair of wheels was revolutionary.. The rims were absolutely bombproof and those zicral spokes were as tough as old boots.. All was fine and dandy and carefree until one was unfortunate enough to bend or break a rim, then it would become very quickly apparent that Mavic didn't really want anyone attempting to repair their wheel systems...Sure you could buy a Ksyrium rim and a bunch of zicral spokes, but it would cost almost the same as buying a brand new wheel. If one was brave enough to attempt a rim transplant, those FORE spoke inserts had a nasty habit of adhering themselves permanently to the damaged rim. And don't get me started on Mavic's crappy FTTS freehub system.. It freehub body consisted of an inner Delrin/nylon bushing running on the bare aluminium hub surface, it would eventually wear the hub to the point it was unusable. Sorry Mavic, I won't be spending anymore of my discretionary cash of your non-user serviceable products....
Exelente clip and great quality product.. Love Mavic
I have a Mavic 500 front hub laced to an old campagnolo rim sitting around I didn’t realize they were made in 1975
very dashing
I think ive never nerded out so much about bike tech haha
King's ring drive system has been the best twin plate mechanism for decades.
doctajuice came here to say the same.
Chris King make an excellent product. But they are by no means accessible to many riders.
GMBN Tech that's quite true. They're extremely expensive and I'd imagine not available everywhere. I used to have king hubs on an old bmx race bike years ago and loved them. Haven't managed to afford a king wheel set for the mtb yet but I do plan on it!
Fascinating video again. Thanks Doddie
Aren't Mavic Hubs famous for breaking on their own?
The new hubs are bulletproof ratchet drives. You'll never go back to pawls again once you try it. DT swiss makes them too.
@@Agent-vj3ns are you talking about 360 hubs?
@@Agent-vj3ns the ratchet on the mavics are worse than dt swiss ratchets and it being proprietary means you wont have many places to buy replacements other than mavic which is notorious for poor customer support
They are famous for the longevity of the bearings big time.. I ran my Crossride for 10.000km and they are still fine
Been rolling on Mavic for twenty years, Ex729 best rim ever
Excellent video. Highly informative and interesting. Great job
Took my 2019 XA carbon 27.5X30 wheels for their maiden voyage this afternoon on my 2018 Spectral 6.0, I cant believe how QUIET that hub is and the 40 engagement is great. Glad I bought them, one look at the rim and you can see the significant offset, between the new wheels and tire change from DHF to Vittoria Mezcal G+ 2.6 are MUCH smoother and better suited to my type of riding and also dropped exactly 1 pound
Great Video Dobb 👍
Cool ad bro
Great video guys, I found that really interesting
Doddy, that was extremely interesting!!
Oh nice to learn more about Mavic.
I am using mavic crossride wheels on my cross country bike
Q GST Good wheels I have a pair myself
They are stantard on my 800€ cross country bike
Mavic wheeles and Hutchinson tyres. ( french bike)
I knew it was a "local" brand but didn't knew it was that good.
Since every high end bike i see is on DT Swiss or Reynolds.
I am even more happy to have that many good things for such a low price.
Hope use 17mm axles...
i like Mavic's rims but their hubs are not anything extraordinary.
I love your videos and i hope you can make a dedicated video for hub service. Thanks
So the new design is the same freehub principle as DT hubs, a less good setup than Chris King (By using a helical gear to load the ratchet washer, the more torque that is applied to a Chris King the harder it squeezes the toothed washers together, reducing the chance of skipping) and with only slightly more than half as many engagements as the Chris King. The serious downside to all the toothed washer type hubs is that contamination between the washers will stop all the washer teeth from engaging correctly, rather than blocking one pawl in the case of the same contamination in a normal ratchet system. This means sealing is absolutely critical for it to be trustworthy. Mavic have been in the business long enough to do a decent job with this hopefully, but then again my experience of tubeless, having set it up with the XM819 when that came out first and with an XT wheelset recently, is that it wastes a lot more of my time than tubes (10 minutes every 2 or 3 months for a puncture that there's no guarantee wouldn't have happened the tubeless tyre anyway vs. pumping the tyres every couple of days just to keep them at the right pressure), and I they seem to have completely dropped off the radar in terms of rim choices these days.
Pushing the misconception that radial cartridge bearings are a good solution for bike hubs has kept many a hub manufacturer in business, but radial bearings are not designed to take thrust loads, or to be run misaligned, which happens all the time when they're used in bike hubs because the wheels don't always get loaded radially only, in fact the shitty chainlines on 1x drivetrains are creating more side loading through the freehub than ever before, and the hubs and frames aren't stiff enough to stop flex misaligning the bearings under bump and pedalling loads. If the Mavics are reliable it's because they're using deep groove or angular contact bearings that have been engineered by Mavic to take the side loads and misalignment.
Cup and cone bearings are much more tolerant of all the flexing and side loading seen by hubs - the downside is Shimano XTR is the only cup and cone hub using good enough materials and sealing to demonstrate this. A half minded XTR will outlast just about any cartridge bearing hub and consume no spares at all. Unfortunately even XT is total junk by comparison with XTR. I get about 6 months from an XT freehub body, but the hub is much improved by putting XTR bearings in while replacing the freehub - I've never needed to replace an XTR freehub body in 15+ years of running them. If you keep the bearings adjusted (And even if you do a few spins with it rattly) the XTR hubs I've used still run smoothly and engage reliably 10 years of muddy spins and little maintenance later. Not sure I trust the new silent clutch hub based on Shimano's previous and silent clutch setups and the sponginess of the Alfine 11 speed hub though.
I also hope they're not running a rattly, unreplaceable bushing at the base of the freehub body like they used to in the old Crossmaxes leading to the wheels getting binned even after the rest of the bearings were replaced thanks the the pawls, ratchet and hub body getting chewed from misaligning with the ratchet thanks to the slop in the bushing. It's hard to see what's what in the shots looking into the freehub, but it looks like bearings at both ends.
Super sick set up!!!
Wow, very thorough
Glad you liked it
Muy buen información saludos desde argentina men
Loud Hubs Save Lives...
Good informative video! Well done!
You guys should mention Mavics new ID360 ratchet hubs. They come w their 2019+ wheelsets.
@waquzy have you tried the new ID720 ratchetless hubs yet? th-cam.com/video/LjUgz5FHR90/w-d-xo.html
Long live the Mavic 💪🚲
Shimano seems not to identify the headache that is doing maintenance to their hubs with the cone system, my patience has increased a lot thanks to them.
Just bought a pair of the 2019 Elite carbon 27.5X30 for my 2018 Spectral 6.0
I used a bomb proof set of 823s and loved them, but Mavic hubs always felt too proprietary for me
Yeah, good luck sourcing spokes and whatnot for older wheel "systems" too. Proprietary is the enemy of longevity and serviceability
I think Dt Swiss done all of that sooner. But Mavics are nice hubs. Especially with wider axle diameter.
Nice
Really interesting great job!!
I love my crossmax wheels
500/501 hubs are the very definition of silk smooth.
Are they using PTFE on the teeth? (18:45)
Must it connect on free Wheeling it like on a down hill?
How does it handle extreme speeds?
Near sound barrier speeds?
great video!!
One question, how did Mavic fit a tiny machine gun in the hub (14:50)?
Does the “infinity” hub use pawls or the ratchet system? Thanks 🙏
Great stuff..
I love mavic stuff. Still have three sets of wheels with ceramics. That was such a great technology back in the days...
You often mention about big cogs creating more load on freehub body. I think it's not true. The load depends on torque. It doesn't matter if you have large or small cog in the back as long as it is the same ratio (bigger cog in the back means bigger ring in the front).
17:35 Do a 51 tooth sprocket really put more load on the hub?
I know that the torque increase with diameter, but i would still expect the same power at a smaller sprocket would be just as bad.