How Does Accuracy Hit Evasion On Different Levels
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- Have I missed anything? like their hits on me BUAHAHA
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any important factor I ignored/didn't mention here?
Does these results make sense/relate to your experience?
First and second ninja's had similar AP, however when he tried with 966 accuracy it was significantly lower (281), yes he got 22% more hit rate, but also my DR is low, so those increased hits dealt so much more damage to me, which is the main reason why people play hybrid build, to have DR to mitigate the damage going through the first layer, the evasion.
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902 ACC | 1st Ninja Test - 0:00
876 ACC | 2nd Ninja Test - 2:15
966 ACC | 2nd Ninja Test - 3:29
My 277 AP on his 383 DP - 4:41
Low Accuracy be like - 4:52
920 & 281 Ranger - 5:39
Additional Factors to Consider - 5:47
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For people saying Succ Ninja isn't using Heart Aim skill (+15% accuracy rate for 3 seconds), he actually used it in EVERY combo in the video, just slow the video and watch his buffs below his HP bar (before Shadow Stomp) that's if you can't recognize its animation!!
2:26, 2:52, 3:10, 3:44 and 4:30.
try a showcase against an archer/musa
Hell yeah g I’ll be honest I cannot play awk to save my life but this has definitely pumped me up what a good find on yt
Good stuff as always!
good quality content. maybe you can make your bdo vlog like your ingame goals. I like to watch z2hero series, reaching some gearscore or smt. Cuz you re in MENA we dont have that much content.
One other major factor too that alot of people ignore is how much pvp damage reduction some classes skills have vs others and the damage of those skills / numbers of hits they have as well. There's so many factors at play here not to mention that hidden Stat of how much damage classes due to each other just for being a certain class there's a whole chart for it somewhere.
If you want to see how is the true accuracy vs eva should do a test on every single classe bcz they each got different average acc on skills, you have to actually put the good debuff and buffs on yourself so might change depending on players add-ons and stuff too like here for exemple i use on my ninja "Flashing light" a lot earlier on Eva players with debuff Evasion add-ons that alone is already 10 % eva reduc (pretty huge) and didnt see it here or only at the end of the combo, great video thought need more tests :)
Great video keeeeeeeep going
good stuff bro
test with gurdians please bcoz some of em has anti eva build fr nw and sieges ty
Well it has been since beginning that some classes are overtuned with their accuracy and some are not. In my opinion it doesn't matter what you build on certain classes, some classes won't do any dmg even with full accuracy build and some classes will do super good dmg against evasion targets with 0 accuracy. Then there's of course the class modifiers on top of that.
It's more of a which class you pick and what class you are against, the amount of accuracy has a lot less meaning than people expect in this game.
That's just my experience of playing as a evasion since beginning.
Regards,
Hiivatti
u should test eva build with a ninja character, specially ninja succession has more evassion passives than awakened
which one is actually better, succ or awak hasha?
Hashashin still good with evasion today even after balance?
Nice
Best to bring out succ corsair if you want to test evasion, she has the highest base EVA of all classes and lot of eva buff on her succ kit as well as accuracy debuff. Should be fun KEKW
Hash, Striker, Mystic, Ninja & Kuno has more base evasion than Corsair
yea, accuracy debuff is cool to have
Do you think hash is better off w EVA than DR? if yes, what do you think is a reasonable EVA number to aim for?
1360 eva
How does this works for PVE? And would i be able to use it in a dr based class like Warrior? Not sure if it would be just as good
Yes work VERY good in PvE, check my other videos, playlists for easier access.
No,works only with classes that has high base evasion stats, and decent evasion rate passive.
Ok i really enjoyed this vid man, really helpfull but i have some questions cause i'm a bit new at pvp. Do you think u would have survived that much vs the ninjas with the DR build?? I'm a main succ lahn tagged with a succ guardian, i love them, but do u think i should swap to evasion build on them?? Guardian doesn't have any eva buff, but succ lahn has 5% from passive and 12% 10s buff perma with 5s CD, i have the pen muskan from jetina, just leebur needed. The thing is i go with c9 dr build 385 dp and i'm getting melted every time at pvp, rbf, dfs, PKs, guilds etc...
Again ty for the video man, i hope u test this further to get more reliable info :)
Hi, The first part of the video shows the gear of a DR ninja, and since his accuracy -and other stats- is known, being DR or Eva is irrelevant.
I had clips about lahn with 700gs that had more damage than those ninja's to me (she's DR and had also about 900 accuracy with 304K AP), I didn't include those for the fact that when I re-watched these clips, I've noticed how laggy the duels were. I bet the damage was higher due to her accuracy passive & on skills accuracy average being higher than the ninja one.
She had 396 DP that I in most cases one combo'ed with my 277 AP, with only cron meal and vell buff! have many clips for it.
I don't really see a reason to swap to evasion, Guardian is for sure DR, she has DP passive right? and I'm guessing some DP passive on skills while no evasion.
Are you asking about DR lahn viability? or which one is better Eva or DR? I have no clear idea about it, but you also need good base evasion stats, like Ninja, Kuno, Striker, Mystic and Hash. 346 in one category at least.
Also, I don't recall seeing Eva lahn tbh, she is known for being glass-cannon class, she has the mobility to achieved that. (I may be wrong here)
Yes, testing accuracy/evasion damage related stuff is very tricky, I will for sure make more test, with same and other classes to have a confident answer.
I’m main lanh and sorc and even with 1200 eva I don’t survive most of the combos so it’s useless. Stay in DR WITH 40 ap human ( there’s a cap for 40) . Also lanh is dogshit nowadays , succ or awk it doesn’t do dmg if I compare with others classes. Stay with lanh only for pve
@@zeneto80 OK ty! I knew there were something wrong with her... I will keep playing her cause i love this class at succ ^^
@@Seiza_InSomnia i meant to say before it’s dogshit only for pvp. For pve she’s still the top1 grinder in bdo. I love to grind with her but for pvp I only use my sorc. Eva imo only worth for classes that can kill in pvp with 269ap such as mystic , striker and ninja. You’re welcome my friend
@@zeneto80 And that 40 human ap cap? is that true? do u even feel that dmg in pvp? didn't try yet any RBF human dmg crystals
Interesting
Can you try with Rangers? I heard that Awk Rangers are strong against evasion class. Nice vid
Hey, Thanks
this is succ right? 5:39 xd
I will be excepting same result, was very geared for me however.
@@HORANII yes ranger succ do depends heavily on gear but awk ranger however can fight with much lower gear and still deals a lot of damage.
Edit: plus ranger have insane accuracy buffs like -9 on the enemy, +12% ranged accuracy (5sec CD), +9% to all accuracy (60sec CD). And these are without add-ons
@@sayfaaa7629 yes, awa ranger can get up to 3 accu buffs + the eva debuff...so evasion builds will get melted
Both Awake and Ranger at 300+ AP melt anyone period including evasion
Your evasion is above 1100 thats great
People need about 920accuracy+ and maybe 300+ap to onecombo you.
Im a ninja with evasion for long time ago and now I have DR with 309ap 950accuracy
Struggling killing people in large scale rbf. No miss indicators. The problem now is special attack evasion 30% and high HP class.
That we cant counter.
As a tanker build you have to be dedicated being your team's assistant, not as a damage dealer.
People now just have 900+ accuracy with artifac/lightstone.
But yeah its fun for 1v1 👍
Tip : if want to go evasion with 700gs Choose class with high evasion rate and high accuracy modifier on their skill 🤓 stroker maybe
totally right!
also very effective imo for 1v1.
and to have an accurate number, 840 accuracy is what every DR build have without artifacts and accuracy accessories. (should have, with vipers, elkars and regular buffs)
+16 from artifacts and 24 (almost highest one) from lightstones. thats 880, which I think I can deal with currently with my 1190 evasion.
However, classes with high accuracy modifiers will make it hard for me.
help please! recently i enhaced my BS Weaapon to PEN, now idk what to build evasion o dr? i have the money to speend on one of them but that decission is too hard :C (im playing ninja succ)
What artifact are you ysing? Melee evasion or All Evasion plus Blurr set?
Melee here
evasion is reach the Cap, but ur current DP not yet, i think for little bit tankier around 385++ DP that provide little bit tankier.
Could have tested this with an Accuracy Class such as Maewha or Musa, Lahn, Dark Knight, or Tamer for example. They would have done massive damage at 900acc since all would have a 12% acc passive and some of them such as Tamer who has a 9% Accuracy self buff and Maewha who has 50% acc damage skill that does over 13k alone. lol
how do u reach that evasion number...
Evasion off hand, artifacts and lightstones sets
if u get duo labreska to replace heve you will be more tanky even vs green accu offhand opponent
Yup, Sounds like a good plan
Even tho it will still give lower evasion, but much more DR, which is what im missing currently
What do you use for artfacts
I mostly play 1v1 duels, I have magic and melee eavsion artifacts, change them depending on my opponent
Blurr or Normal x4 wave lightstones
just trying to test how far I can go with evasion
I have a question, how to make RMB skills achieve long-distance displacement?
Skill name please.
There is no RMB movement skill
@@HORANII My mistake, I'm another server player and don't know how to spell the name of the skill. Awakening weapon, which has a single right-click skill.🤣
@@wingchimore8352 I guess you are referring to Forward (W) + RMB
you can almost always cast it in its full range form, unless you dash to the right before that.
however, if you press a skill that its animation ends with right hand weapon, then the W+RMB will be a bit smoother and has no gap at the beginning or the end if you decided to S block immediately
@@HORANII Thank you. I'll try it.🤯
Что за набор брони?libra & maskan я увидел, доспех мертвого Бога тоже увидел, что за шлем? Ожерелье Вельтар? Что за пояс? Какие камни вставил?
Evasion has become a lot harder to do because of accuracy accessories, artifacts, lightstones, and they even give a 12 ap 28 accuracy earring for story quests in Winter region.
I was only 1035 evasion w my c11 and c10 gears, put on a pen Ultimated evasion sub weapon, and centaur combo lightstone. I can't recall my sheet evasion but tested it on sorc for 15% passive evasion. In RBF most people could hit me and kill me super fast if i didn't i frame. I was not impressed. I think c20 evasion is needed to make a difference and then use centaur lightstone combo and evasion sub weapon.
Too easy to hit c10/11 evasion now.
Still better than c10/11 DR, DR is just glass untill you go for like 500+
RBF is not a good example. Everything is wonky as hell in there with hidden stats going on and players might have the accuracy buff from valks etc. Also with sorc while she does scale well with evasion she is still a squishier class at heart, you need to build more heavily around it and by that I mean utilizing addons properly including the negative accuracy debuff as well as the one on calamity, if you pop calamity as you enter a ball in rbf you will feel a lot safer getting off all your heavy hitter SAs or in other cases you can pop calamity if you think you're going to die and suddenly it takes them a lot more work to finish you. Sorc can reach 47% increase to evasion when you line everything up and if you have 401 bracket as well you will be hard to kill.
The other thing about RBF is a large majority of the people you run into in there are some of the most gear carried people in BDO and a lot of the time you have multiple of them on you at once. Also given how DR based the meta is now a lot of people who haven't already committed to getting accuracy accessories wont because having more AP is going to be more helpful in the vast majority of cases until people realize evasion isnt dead. In fact with how crazy damage scaling has become I think eventually people will realize evasion is optimal on any class which scales with it, at the end of the day you deal more damage when you're alive.
Hashashins need accuracy mod in his skills
Indeed!
Would you mind showing your gear breakdown and where your evasion comes from? I play striker, and have just under 1000 evasion right now with full pen c4 evasion gear(c9 evasion helmet) and duo Fallen God.
I don't have evasion artifacts, or accessories, or crystals just yet.
I was hoping to hit 1200 evasion without sacrificing too much ap. But I'm not sure if that's possible.
I will cover that in my next video, stay tuned :3
@@HORANII I sure appreciate it! Looking forward to it!
stuff i noticed:
*1st Fight:*
40,5% base hitrate (at 0 buffs / debuffs on either side). He isnt useing a single ACC buff and very rarely EVA debuffs (Self buffs not meals etc that is). He does however utelize 2 -all DP debuffs which does decrease your EVA by its amount. Sadly the only time we see him useing acc + eva stuff (at roughly 1:07) he doesnt get much dmg off for its duration. Would have been intresting as this would have probably hurt quite a bit more. Also worth to mention, for some odd reason the Ninja is useing -ACC debuffs on you even tho he is DR. Doing that is pointless.
*2nd Fight:*
34% base hitrate (again at 0 buffs / debuffs on either side). He is useing both ACC buffs all the time (3:07 you can see 3 ACC buffs in total for example), 2 -all DP debuffs and some -EVA debuffs (2:30 is a nice moment to see 3 ACC buffs, 2 all DP debuffs + a EVA debuff).
Keep in mind, 2 ACC buffs + 1 EVA debuff are at worst 15% hitrate (9% base Acc selfbuff which most classes have and 3% ACC and EVA addons at worst, more if the class has build it debuffs).
*3rd Fight:*
56,5% base hitrate (again 0 buffs / debuffs on either side). Same ACC / EVA buff and debuff usage as above. Well you seen what the difference CAN be. Keep in mind, its still a "chance" that RNG rolls in your favor and decides to evade his high dmg skills, or not for that matter.
*Side Mentions:*
EVA users tend to forget that ACC debuffs and EVA buffs as Addons exist. Thats another 6-10% less Hitrate if used properly.
Also to avoid confusion, as "base hitrate" i did use the basic 7% ACC rate everyone has (that is in a guild with the talents + passive) and i assumed a 15% base EVA rate (seems to be what most classes have, Warrior for example has only 10%).
Lastly, the part where Ninja and Hash has 0% acc in his passives is wrong. Every class has a 2% Acc passive (last rank of Infinite Mastery) and another 5% via Guild Talents (Furious Roar).
Most classes dont have addisional ACC passives by now (Succ Hash has an extra 5%, feel free to add the ones i missed) BUT some classes, like Succ Ninja have some more base EVA passives (15% normal, 20% on Succ).
The only thing that is different on all classes is the amount of ACC / EVA debuffs or buffs and the base % rate on skills build into each kit. For example, Awekening Musa has a single 9% Acc buff / -30% meele acc debuff but 0 Eva buffs / debuffs. While Succ Ranger has a 9% Acc buff and a -12% Eva debuff. + Addons ofcourse (also keep in mind, Summons have a base 50% acc rate!!!).
To be fair since you meantion that Hash has no base % Acc on skills, his awekening kit hits 100% crit on nearly every skill without useing the 30% crit buff from ridge.
Thank you very much!
You're totally right, and such detailed feedback will help me for further tests.
However, for the "Side Mentions", when I mentioned that ninja has 0% accuracy passive I for sure meant a unique passive, every class has that 7%.
So yes, Hash has 0% accuracy rate in his passive, also every single skill in hash's kit doesn't have any accuracy rates "on skill", so also 0% here, except Inquisition that provides a buff of +9% for 10 seconds.
If you look at 3:33 you'll notice my input to garmoth, where I added 7% accuracy rate passive and didn't forget to include my perma evasion buff 6% from dashing, also assumed that he has an addons with -4% evasion and +4% accuracy rate, which should be the case.
Also took into consideration awakening on skill accuracy rate which is between 4% and 10% for awakening skills (an average of 7% considering the number of the skills and their accuracy rate).
I'm not aware of his kit, or how much accuracy rate buff/evasion debuff he can accumulate out of his skills on succ, so I didn't make any further assumptions, so that 64.5% hit rate was an approximate number.
As I've read in the comments, succ ninja can get a 15% accuracy rate from a skill? which is huge actually.
The additional 5% evasion rate on succ ninja are melee evasion.
That's still 0% accuracy on skills for hash, having 100% Crit rate will NOT increase my hit rate on evasion targets.
I have about 11% hit rate on Crypt without any buff XD what do you mean.
Our summon skill doesn't seem to have that 50% accuracy rate as it's not written in the skill discerption just like all the rest of hash's kit :c
Thanks again for this brilliant feedback
@@HORANII I did use pure base ACC / EVA values to avoid the confusion about % bases on skills and accsesbility to proper buffs / debuffs.
This was also the reason i meantiond the stuff in the "side meantion" because those 7% are actual passives (just rememberd, DK has extra 5% ACC in passives BUT she doesnt not get a 9% ACC selfbuff). So there arent rly many classes which have "unique passives" for ACC, now we are at 2 (DK and Succ Hash from memory).
I noticed your inputs on Garmoth, now while those are indeed right, i decided to NOT use them in my comment as those "6% perma eva buff" for example just isnt consitent across the board (see Musa for example). Same deal with the % base on skills, as you would need to consider wayyyy to many variables in each case. Like combos used, avg. % amount etc. The list would never end.
The point with the 5% extra EVA on Succ nin, also yes those are only meele EVA, was that people can simply add those variables if it effects them or not. Also a "hint" that such things exists and my 7% ACC / 15% EVA isnt 100% correct in every single case.
Same reason why i used an "average" ACC / EVA as baseline since then people can simply add there own buffs / debuffs and skill % ACC rates to know exactly how much they get.
Now why did i meantion the crit rates on hash? While the dont add hitrate ofcourse, its like a form of "balance" (balance in BDO... LOL i know :D). Hash has easy accses to a 9% ACC self buff, 9% EVA debuff and a -20all DP debuff within his core skill used in pretty much every single viable combo. So with some basic addons you will hit 24% hitrate at worst on every combo you as well as default accses to a permanent EVA buff (Awe musa for example can get 17% +/- 1% total hitrate buffs but has some % ACC on skills). Now imagein if you push that even higher with with % on skills and the fact you cap out crit as well for free. This would be a complete overload in terms of stats.
Now for the last Tornado, yes this skill isnt considered a Summon for some reason. Else if would have a specific "summon dmg...." in there tooltip as well.
@@SoukenIDK It's same point, since all classes has that 7% (Guild and Skill) then it's NOT A VARIABLE, as long as it's included while calculating hit rate, that's like base stats that everyone has.
from that point we distinguish which classes has accuracy (passives, self-buffs, on skills and eva debuffs), that being said, ninja and awake hash has 0% accuracy passive, while succ hash and DK has 5%.
It is 5+7 = 12% but thats for the math, not how you compare classes. only the differences.
My dash is 1.5s, with 10s +6% evasion buff, sure it is perma and should also be included, every time im getting CC'ed it is on-going, you can check the video, or other videos as well. same applies for accuracy on skills, its just perma there.
So we left with self buffs & debuffs and "when" they're being casted, (starting, mid or finishing skills) as it should be starting skills to have the rest of your combo fully buffed with acc +% and debuffed with evasion -%. Same applies for addons.
So those I didn't include for my lack of knowledge about their combos/addons and self-buffing skills
I just assumed the bare minimum with addons and they being ninja players who knows the previous fact.
Passives like 15% evasion and 7% (or more) should be 100% correct, what is not 100% correct is "on skill accuracy" which varies between certain values for each class, and I stated awakened ninja above. so having an average here is not very accurate.
Now, this is correct, but missing one factor, that if you compare it to other classes where they even have this "easy access" to accuracy rates and eva debuff, they also got HIGH accuracy on skills like sorc with its grim or whatever name having 30% accuracy rate XD, or succ kuno with that S+RMB ig having around 20%?, so this is beside having self buffs.
Also we as hash, do not have a burst damage, our main damage is done over time, (a full combo is always needed unless you outgear your opponent) which make it even weaker with missing those on skill modifiers.
SO you are asking an awake hash to manage his 100% crit rate skills (which he can't do easily (3 skills)) and optimize that accuracy and - eva stuff as well in the same combo (all of these are different skills "4 skills"), so in total I have to perform 7 skills to achieve that, while other classes just hit you with one skill that has tons of damage and so much accuracy and guess who knows what CC on it -_-
@@HORANII ok i think we mean the same but we splitting 1 thing into different "terms" here. The 7% acc are in fact passive skills as well which is why i called them that, which means for me, saying hash has NO acc passive is factualy wrong. Tho i, as you meantioned, used those 7% as a baseline since those are consisted across the board (as i attempted to make clear in my side meantions from the first comment).
While i attempted to refere as extra passives (like DK has), as well as skill %, buffs / bebuffs... and so on as variables. Now the important thing to keep in mind is that ive done it this way to creat a "foundation" regradless of what class / skills / addons etc you use.
You counting your 6% eva buff is right, yes. BUT has no place in my orinigal comment as not every class has accses to this. Which would in turn corrupt the whole "foundation" i attempted to lay out.
Now on the base 15% eva i used i specificly meantioned, that certain classes may have a lower amount. While the 7% acc as base may only increase.
Certainly there is quite some inbalance for classes, BUT again, in Hash´s case he has all the tools in his core combo without the need to switch anything up at all. As well as accses to Acc buffs, EVA buffs, a big EVA debuff, major debuffs (the 25% move/atk/ cast speed debuffs) and -all DP debuffs.
Again, lets take my go-to Awekening Musa in comparison. Awe Musa also pretty much has all his acc / eva debuffs packed into his core combo skills, no need to switch anything up regardless of the target. We do have the same ACC buff, NO eva buff, NO eva debuff, major debuffs and -all DP debuffs. In return we do have some % Acc on skills.
Now both of those classes maintain a near 100% crit chance without buff (keep the +25% rate from the 5 crit levels in mind btw) and pretty much a near full 100% critrate on the whole skillset if we utelize a single prebuff.
It seems like a rather fair tradeoff that at least 1 part is missing in a kit, be it % Acc on skills for Hash or Eva buffs / debuffs on Musa. Sadly, not every class follows that.
Damn..i just dont get it..that ninja have high accu but still struggle to kill..n if ninja aweken use full invasion idk can kill some1
Thank you for that video. How much evasion would you say is necessary to benefit from it/grind orcs?
600, 700, 1000?
not really sure tbh
let me check and see
I had 1030 on tagged succ lahn and if I kept my frenzy running I could comfortably grind without infinity hp pot
@@MyManJohnny thx for the answer and your time. But .... 1000? Rly ?
@@SeacryBlastsAloT 1000 Eva is relatively simply to achieve in the state of the game at present
@@SeacryBlastsAloT yay the reply with relatively easy to get garmoth build got deleted.. Not by me.. you can get 1060 eva with c15 heve, c4 gloves and boots, pri fallen god, c7 kutum and evasion artifacts with, for example, warrior bloodline lightstone set..
you could find striker for test, this class has more accuracy, everyskill has 10% and +6% every5 sec, total 15%
which class are you referring to by "this", striker?
@@HORANII male gauntlet class.
so green pen accu offhand is much usable and can deal more damage?
To evasion builds YES, if your gear has no accuracy accessories, and you want to counter evasion build where you are not hitting very will on, this is for sure what you want to do.
However, this will lower your AP, but as long as you have all the most important bracket +269 (the more the better) it is fine, lower AP will not be a problem since going evasion will reduce your DR, so not much AP needed to one-shot eva if you high hit rate.
This green sub could also work very good with evasion builds, since it gives more evasion than kutum xd and WAY more accuracy (+90?) that's like having full accuracy accessories set.
and will increase your DP to give some DR brackets %.
If you are DR and using nouver, just make sure you have decent AP after equipping it.
@@HORANII ijust notice that DR build is not so good vs eva. i fought a DR build but its like nothing compare to eva class.
@@ChekzthisoutTV In term of tankiness, YUP, but you should have enough evasion to have decent dodge rate (against average accuracy values).
otherwise, if your enemy has high accuracy (with low AP), your evasion will rather seem useless, even at higher values.
Unless you go hybrid (didn't test this myself, but I'm excepting it to work at VERY high end gear, where you have both decent evasion rates, and DR values to mitigate incoming hits)
Terms as "enough evasion" or "high accuracy" I just mentioned above, are identified throughout practical testings, which is the main purpose of this video :)
@@ChekzthisoutTV btw, I love your videos, the graphics especially :)
@@HORANII thanks man! and i subscribe to your channel as well :)
so evasion still with heve not labreska?
works with both
after evasion nerf, you need way more gear to get same levels of tankiness
meaning labreska makes more sense to have now
Evasion, a perfectly well balance stat that doesn’t require you to change your whole build to specifically combat it
Still wondering why some classes have such obscene accuracy rates for ex, Succ Ranger has her tree +her Evasion Shred on top of good base accuracy on skills, Valk just gets 15% accuracy for free, Awakened Warrior has minimum 20% on his skills and 6% buff + debuff, DK has a -15% eva shred on top of high average modifiers and a class passive, Succ Musa has a spammable 50% accuracy skill with a -12 % evasion debuff, both Maehwa specs have very respectable accuracy, succ Kuno has accuracy out of her ass on her hard hitting skills, Succ sage has an 18% buff and debuff along with passive and very good base numbers.
Meanwhile Hashashin with literally Zero innate accuracy on any of his skills and a 9% buff + debuff. How is it even fair?
its normal that a ranger can dmg a Hash ranger has the most dmg against hash they even buff it in some updates so that Ranger and archer deal even more dmg to hash
so what is the conclusion? is Evasion better then Defence?
There is sadly no conclusion
Just like an open ending movie
after watching and reading. i concluded that muskan and bhegs is the perfect to fight anyone. muskan can reach high eva and bhegs high accu. thanks me later.
I like to be tanky and I am building my evasion build too...BUT...I find myself often surviving some combos in rbf or some hot situations, then I can land my CC's etc and then ...nothing. I have like 289ap but I am struggling to kill people fast enough, especially strikers and mystic. these situations make me think about a "tanky" build. For a spot fight ok but for rbf where u have to land fast damage....hmm
My thoughts too
At today's siege, I wished i had DR gear, bheg and nouver at least
@@HORANII why exactly?
@@PraktischTaktisch-Gut either the tank form with eva offhand or with kutum (293 ap) I don't feel like I can do decent amount of damage without a full combo, and you will get melted in both cases after very short time from engaging.
Hash playstyle in sieges isn't frontline, instead it's more like a flanker, so having nouver and more accuracy (optimizing damage) will help a lot in one-shotting people then disengaging.
maewha has higher accuracy right? that should have been the other dude
Pretty solid but with your ap you will struggle against most targets. This kind of build works much better when you reach hard cap and even then certain class/acc threshholds will melt you.
Correct, I will in some situations die anyway, however that's not the most common case.
I believe I'm having no issues against DR builds as a 277 AP hash, you may doubt this now, but I could one combo 389 DP, DR Valk
And 396 DR lahn.
My problem is against evasion builds due to the lack of on skill accuracy.
And AP in such case have minor effect.
@@HORANII I think the only class i'm having hit or miss 1x combo death as an awk hash is Eva Mystic..those geared one sometimes took a CC reset combo, else they will manage to survive. My AP DP and acc is 315,380,906 btw. Other class not so much of an issue to combo, but a skilled warrior can be annoying to fight if my grab keep getting resisted.
As awk ninja, I feel he is not doing his combo properly (debuffing first before high damage skills).
Yea I agree his combo is a lil lacking
Sad part is it wouldn't make a difference his dp isn't why he's not one combing him. It's literally just due to his evasion. Ninja dps doesn't give a fuck about dp it really doesn't. Dp down doesn't do anything against evasion. Awaken ninja just doesn't have accuracy modifiers worth a damn on any of their skills. Succ has more accuracy which is why the 2nd guy did better. And as you saw even with his little bit of extra accuracy it still was difficult for him to one combo sometimes. This right here is why ninja begged and begged for accuracy buffs during rework. This is how bad it is that awaken ninja had more than enough ap to decimate his health bar at 357 dp but bc he's evasion it completely cucked him. Imagine if he has more evasion than that or higher overall dp in general he wouldn't be able to kill him at all. Simply bc ninja especially awaken has non exist ant accuracy.
@@masqueradingod7662 against evasion u may not be able to 1 shot ppl but that’s all the more reason you gotta go for more optimized combo routes
@@Danteezy that's not always a viable option that's only usable in 1v1 scenarios and even then depending on how you caught them you might not be able to do so. We shouldn't have to go through all of that to achieve things the other classes can without all the extra. We are forced to go accuracy or just accept the fact that some people you just won't be able to kill if you don't. The only reason the problem isn't more exacerbated than it is because the meta is Dr. If it shifts back to evasion were fucked as a class were now forced to accuracy acc just to kill anyone. Something no one else has to suffer bc accuracy modifiers on skills
@@masqueradingod7662 Well, you have Flashing light as awakening ninja which gives -6% evasion + addon -4% evasion, that's -10% evasion. Grab > Flashing light is something he should have done first and with that, awakening ninja should be doing a lot more damage in this video's scenario. Yes, succession has more accuracy because of Prime: Heart Aiming's +15% accuracy buff for 3 secs, which makes the other skills within that 3 secs to deal more damage and the innate accuracy of certain skills. Also, if you noticed that the succession ninja actually cc capped too early that's why hash survived. The DP debuff really helps LOL. Because even though you're evasion, you don't just rely on the evasion values. You still need a certain level of DR to go along with evasion because of the damage reduction %. 401 DP is a must to excel with evasion. To add on, HP also plays a part. With that awakening ninja gear vs 371 dp and 1187 eva with 4.3k HP (very low), he MUST be able to kill the latter. Be it 1v1 or 1vX, you definitely need to do the proper debuffs (-evasion & -DP) to actually do more damage.
with the meta now DP and evasion really feels like useless, especially in war where you wont be fighting only 1v1 , if 1 ninja can deal 50% to you with all that evasion gear, it means 2 ppl dps would kill you for sure, im also evasion build and at the present meta it feels kinda meh
hey horani.... any PVE guide soon maybe?
I already have one for awake hash, or you mean for succ? or other classes?
so more accuracy do more damage? Sry the noob question I'm new player
If you don't have high hit rate on your target then yes
in other words, Yes, against evasion builds
@@HORANII what if the enemy have dr build?
@@foxyafoxya Usually with average accuracy you get from gear and typical crystals, will make your hit rate 100% on DR targets, meaning NO, it will not increase your damage if you get more accuracy.
@@HORANII i see thx man ^^
That ninja doing wronggg, or intentionally doing short combo rotation bcz thinking that himself having end gear.
if shift F successfully -> Flashing light -> drastic Measure -> LMB -> Serpent.
While addon:
Shift F: -DP enemy + crit rate
Flashing light: debuff evasion + down smash
Drastic Measure: AP on human + accuracy
Serpent: Crit DMG + Air DMG
With 9% evasion debuff. Your accuracy will be the same as ninja accuracy BASE.
furthermore, -35DP debuff will no longer make your gear tanky.
I notice ninja awakening in the video doesn't even have the accuracy buff, dp debuff, which is considered Poor addon + wrong combo.
The gap between Accuracy and evasion from 100 -> 250, can be killed easily for ninja awakening, Musa Succession(-16% evasion debuff), and Class with high accuracy or evasion debuff.
no matter how much accuracy you have, when class evesion reaches 1.2k evasion it's the same as you don't have accuracy, that's how I feel with 988 acc against eva class, the number of misses is the same
I have 5 acc of PEN accuracy, and I feel the same way against mystic, full evasion strikers. I feel like 5 acc is useless. I'm almost selling the turo at least. sry bad english
hashashinin pasif isabeti nerflendikten sonra neshal takman cok sıkıntı sen bu denemeleri strikera karsı veya valka karsı yapsan daha aydınlatıcı olurdu. Çünkü strikerın eko ruhunda %50 isabet oranı var veya cogu yeteneginde %15 isabet var. succ valkta arındırmada mızrakta %50 isabet oranı var kutsamadan da %15 isabet buff alıyor yani senin eva gerçten biraz isabet yapan bu charlara karsı yalan olur. Ayrıca o isabetle cogu striker mistik seni keser. ben mesela Ahin kullanıyorm hashashinimde. Mesela bana karşı senin evan iş yapmaz. Bu oyunda isabet takılarını yapıp nouverini yapacaksın ve yere düsmeyeceksin. Hele de bi sahireye karsı bu denemeleri yapman daha dogru sonuclar verir. Pistanity kanalında 429 dp eva striker 2 skillde tek yedi. Sage succtan. Tabi o zaman sagenin de pasif nerflenmemisti ama sage succ isabet %18 alp eva %21 siliyor. Bu yüzden karakter tercihlerini daha uc noktada yaparsanız daha verimli olur. Like attım. Videoda güzel emek var. Ellerinize sağlık.
309 ap 420 - 430 arası isabet bir ninja buildi yapmayı planlıyorum sence 1200-1500 arası striker'a iyi geçirir miyim bahsettiğim ap isabet ile (full buff kristal ve eser dahil ediyorum)
@@EboWhellia isabet takilarin olduktan sonra her turlu isabet alt silahi full ap pen cokus mesum vs ile hepten yok edersin
Your current gear in this vids is not really effective but this show how eva build perform in this kind of 1v1.. it's depend on class ofc but most class like sorc, lahn, ninja, kuno, archer, will struggle to kill.
if they use class buff that's different story.
the ninja combo is wrong surely he can 1combo that murder intent+ drastic + serpent + excution FF up cc + spin + heart aiming + stomp + restrain = DED
I main ninja n the first thing I thought was damn what is this ninja doing lol
Thanks James, would like to see your addons too, I may ask them retry with this combo & its addons.
you should also consider accuracy on skill. this is vs a ninja - which has poor accuracy on skill, notice that the miss disappears after he hit you with flashing light(eva debuff). try this test against dk or other class. ninjas specializes on crit not accuracy
the 2nd ninja(succ) i noticed that he doesnt use heart aiming = main reason why he cant kill you in his combo. and doesnt a an accuracy acce
basically you win because they are stoopid ninjas ^^(no offense). proper combo with that gear(the succ ninja) should be heart aim(15% accu for 3sec only) then big fast skills such as fatal blow>flow, then shuriken flight(to float) to blade spin. to maximize the 15% accu buff that last only for 3 secs. the one your fighting against goes to beheading(de debuff) after landing a grab. missed oppurtunity to kill. heart aim>fatal blow>blow is 5 fast hits with big damage.
@@chadlife5573 I was actually wondering if they are making mistakes or some sort of miss-play here, sadly I don't know much about ninja's combos, however I did mention that he has low accuracy on skills and 0 as in his passive, I even calculated the awakening ones, it varies between 4% to 10%, so I assumed an average of 7%, not very accurate but still.
but yeah, -Eva & +Acc are mandatory skills AND their addons too VS evasion builds. 5:47
ninja doesnt have that much accuracy. only passives(which everyone also have) bladespin(5% upon hit) addons(4%) and heart aim(15% for 3 secs only) vs hash who has lots of accuracy ON SKILL
@@chadlife5573 No wait, please let me correct you here, Hash has literally 0% on skills, EVERY SINGLE SKILL in both main and awakening kit has 0% accuracy rate, imagine. xd
its more like they forgot to add those for has XD
and also they removed the 10% passive like 5 months ago or something, only succ has 5% on his passive, Hash is lacking SO much accuracy comparing to other classes.
şimdi kaçınmamı iyi isabetmi hasar azaltmamı ap mi anlamadım :D
I play the new class. Unless ur at least 1300 evasion ur getting 1 shot.
she has too much accuracy passive & on skills accuracy
could be true
what class?
aim at heart in ninja succ= 15% de acurracy 902+15%= 1037 at least that's what i understood
it means +15% hit rate on me. as simple as that.
If he was hitting 50% it will be 65% after using this skill. (assuming he didn't, no idea how it looks like)
15% is huge, and will make a big difference
@@HORANII But there's a downside, it's that this skill only allows you 15% accuracy for 3 seconds, but you can use the succession buff 20%+15%+7%= 42%=
@@JosePena-et2pq oh 3 seconds, should be manged properly then.
E Buffs aren't included in the test, i would have died in a second
@@HORANII at 4:35, the ninja casts the skill and you die easily! take a look for yourself
@@JosePena-et2pq I can see that he is using it in every combo, at 4:35 I died easily due to the fact that his hit rate increased +22% due to the accuracy offhand he equipped.
look closely at 2:26, 2:52, 3:10, 3:44 and 4:30 !!
You know what kills me in BDO concerning PVP, it's the fact that the CC's last so goddamn long....that even the most efficient evasion build leads to death. Why ? Simply because getting hit by 3 ccs,one after another, nailing you to the ground is the most stupid thing I have ever seen in a video game. There is no way you can escape this state, for instance by tapping a button, like in QTEand stay up fast, which would be the best thing that could be implemented.
But no, in 7 years of BDO THIS has never changed. And CC resistance crystals are today near to useless, because you can counter CCresistance crystals with resistance ignoring crystals. And CC resistance is basically as RNG as evasion is.
This is just so bad and hilariously ridiculous that I wish for another BDO dev team to take the lead seriously because we are in a dead end concerning this one shot/ "first CC wins" pvp meta.....
Lol
You're exactly right
@@HORANII I wish I wasn't right :d but I will still go Hybrid evasion for my Succession Mystic. If I can't avoid all attack hits, at least I will reduce the damage from the ones hitting me. ( provided I don't reduce only 100 damage from an 18 hit attack inflicting 1800 damage :s). I guess Hybrid evasion is still the way to go since full evasion only works against gearlets or full AP Monkeys.
Переопракид ниндзя не делает.
И что ниндзя останавливается? Мажет, но заберёт тебя за 1 комбо
The raeson you see the Ninjas doing huge bursts of dmg and then very little damage (if any) is because of booster skills that artificially grant the Ninja stats that they would otherwise not have in their build. (accuracy) In my opinion, players should not be given skills of this nature because there is gear made for that purpose. Instead, these types of skills should be given sparingly to classes who are powerful but also very susceptible to outplay. IE: Ranger who while very deadly is equally vulnerable in large fights and has many unprotected skills.
Since removal of these types of skills is not possible because it goes against PA's design philosophy, they will have to consistently rotate between buffing evasion passives and buffing accuracy in order to keep relative balance. Classes who fail to receive buffs towards their designed purpose will see a decline until a finite point of inadequacy is achieved. IE: Shais stack for DP but do not have an evasion passive despite an evasion heavy build. The accuracy creep that spreads throughout the DPS classes will slowly erode their defeneses.
All in all, I am curious to see how PA tackles this problem because it is possible they were just buying some time for a larger more complex change.
nah, That skill design compliment the hit hard and fast of ninja .They should be reward by squeeze all of their dps into 1 burst window quickly like how ninja should feel like, not just a random stat boost like gear . But beside that yeah all ur other point stand correct.
ranger is broken af
Чем то странным попахивает.
The problem with your build is that you will never be able to kill evasion players, but anyone using DR can just swap the offhand, if the ninja in the video was using a accuracy offhand he would 1 combo you
I have 367 dp while he has 298 ap, he should've one combo'ed me without it xd, however it wasn't the case and that is the point of using it! that I can survive regular builds, it would have been the case if I was using kutum too, that accuracy off hand counters evasion not only evasion off hands! so yea
& he did one combo me with his accuracy off hand at 3:29 and after
also having 13 less accuracy after swapping from kutum will not make me unable to kill evasion players, that's roughly 3% hit rate :D
however it will make THEIR hit rate less by around 17%.
People tend to forget that evasion without a good backing dr is useless. I never struggle with eva and I can tank 10x people as sorc/hash 423dp. You need 30% reduction from 401 bracket and a lot of dr to resist the dmg that land. 30% special eva too. You dont compare accu vs eva only bcuz enemy has ap and you have dr too.
Having more DR as Evasion build against people with multiple accuracy accessories (high hit rate), will definitely help in mitigating the damage that lands and maybe more efficient in higher gear levels.
However, and as you just watched, stacked evasion with low DR is not useless, I could tank so much damage & my DR is low.
"You dont compare accu vs eva only bcuz enemy has ap and you have dr too."
If you re-read the title and the thump nail, it is multiple accuracy/ap values (variables) with ONE evasion/dp build (constant), so I'm trying to show how more accuracy will deals more damage to evasion, even with lower AP values.
therefore, yes, I can compare in this context, since the Evasion & DR are constant throughout the video.
Another thing people tend to forget is gear variance. Whenever someone is trying to claim evasion is weak now they always present it as if every single player you ever meet is either playing an accuracy cracked class or has pen accuracy accessories and 315+ ap. Do you run into those people? Yes. But you run into far more who are similar or lower gear and in those cases a decent evasion build stops being effective and starts being god like. I made the mistake of giving DR a serious try as a hash/sorc player and can say without question the loss in survivability is just not worth the extra offense you gain. But hey the more people claim evasion is bad the less likely it will get more indirect nerfs.
@@EmpyreanDreamer You're totally right!
While this is true in some cases, it's not always the case unless you're fighting giga geared players (the DR point). As for the spec evasion point, i disagree. If you're evasion and you are on a class that has a pure evasion offhand and can still get 289+ ap w/ said pure evasion offhand you'll be incredibly more tanky than with a kutum that has a garmoth in it. Also, nice vid orani (didn't wanna make a separate comment :P )
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информация должна быть кристально понятной,а не искать её по таймингу,иначе ролик не имеет смысла,таких пвп на арене миллион.