To the people who are complaining about this bit. Note how light her reins are. This is very different from watching people who do rollkur (for example) as they pull the horse's chin to its chest. Here the poll is usually high and chin is not forced to the chest. I am also impressed by the rider given this horse a pat, as many others have said that this is a rare occurrence lately. This is really very beautiful.
Absolutely gorgeous stallion with the world of potential and a fantastic trainer! Well done! Baby steps, but he will be absolutely fantastic when he masters it!
the long shanks, in the way they are used by academic riders, are for the purpose of allowing the horse plenty of time to respond before they ever actually exert any pressure. You can test with your finger. A short shank will exert it's max pressure with very little taking of the hand. A long shank will take a lot more taking (more rotation to make) untill it actually causes pressure. This allows the horse to feel something is being asked before he feels any significant contact. In sum, short shanks for riding with the more "modern" constant contact, a long shanks are to be used with almost looping reins.
That's how my trainer taught me to teach my horses. Ask for something, wait until they do it, and when they do something REALLY great or are being really consistent with what you ask and what they give you, then drop the reins, cookie, and a break. Caspian nickers at me when he KNOWS he did something awesome. He stops, turns around, and looks at me. XD
old comment but she isn't using a double bridle, it is a cavesson with the curb. This horse (as with all of hers) begin in a cavesson and when they reach a certain point in training a curb is added and eventually just the curb will remain but only as a check as the horse will be guided with seat, leg and indirect rein cues.
Training animals is such a delicate balance between trust and fear. Sometimes it's hard to tell which motive is being employed, but from what I can see the horse looks happy enough.
I find this keeps them on track a lot longer and will actually improve their stamina if it gets progressively easier with each minute that goes by. You will find your horse looking forwards to keeping up the pace, rather than souring because of fun breaks and then feeling like they get punished by continuing the exercise. Horses are amazing creatures and I'm only a fraction way there to understanding them. My dream is to do a clinic just on rewarding the horse, it seems like its never taught...
Poor horse is starving and said "I will work for food!" Sewiously now, ears are above the crest & the 2 of them love to work together. The trainer is wonderfully calm too.
Perhaps the bridle straps need adjusting (loosening) in your case or the bit is causing some discomfort (perhaps design or sizing issues). I generally stay well clear of bits and do just fine riding. Even with no bit in place the reins are used very lightly/suggestively or not at all (use of seat and legs). Incidentally, the mention of leverage bit was a reference to a design type (to be avoided IMHO) of which all take advantage of a lever arm in order to amplify applied force (wiki lever).
I can't possibly criticize this trainer, judging by the horse's attitude she knows exactly how to apply and release pressure to get the desired response and maintain a happy horse, but I think thats the longest shanked bit I've ever seen used in this kind of work.
I believe that the they are focusing more on collection and springy, upward energy as apposed to forward. And it seems to me he is very focused in his work, not angry.
The curb-bit is used IN collection, not for the collection itselves and not to cause pain - it's the different effekt we want. The effect that gives pressure behind the ears, in and under the mouth. (so it will tell the horse to lengthen it's overline, not shorten it as a snaffle would do) Most hoses, included this, is educated bittless (only the caveson) until a higher degree of collection, and like I said: it's got nothing to do with being able to cause pain. Personally i use hackamore instead
well you cant put the bit down anymore, it will cause the horse pain. There are different types of bits that are better and worse for a horse, I prefer Myler bits because the are designed to fit well in a horses mouth. Just because a bit looks harsh it doesnt mean it is, but ANY bit can be miss used and be harsh. If this horse was in pain it would be gone in a flash. There is nothing wrong in this video, the trainer is using nice soft hands and the horse is giving to it, horses dont give to pain
my horse chews on the bit even if i through them on his neck and ride with no hands, some horses just chew on it. Look up pelham bits and do research, but until then dont say something if you dont know what your talking about
why such the huge curb bit in the horses mouth? unless it's trained like some reining horses and saddlebreds i have seen. they get them so scared of the curb bit they will do anything you ask to avoid getting yanked. this horse is very handsome. but very hollow in the back and upside down except for the "headset" i call it that because it is not accepting a bit with any contact. rather an avoidance of the bit by overflexion with a hollow back. i'm just curious what this horse trained for.
about the mouthing, you can see it's not timed with the pressure from the bit which would be in the flow of the horses gait. Horses have a very expressive mouth and to me it looks like he's just expressing concentration and effort. He would probably give her other signs of discomfort if that was the case, such as tension(!!)
yes, i do understand this, I start and break young horses to do dressage and jumpers, and I find that every horse requires a different reward system, if i was in your case I'd use the 'hard work to releif' technique. I'd push the horse strongly and be tough but not aggressive. Then once you see the realization in the horse, then allow another 5-20 minutes of the same work with half the effort on your part. They'll seek to work longer vs pausing to be rewarded.
Ok I'm no expert but I believe over flexion is when the horse's head is pulled behind the vertical. The reason he isn't accepting contact is because he isn't meant to, this training is all about lightness and she doesn't need to keep consistent contact because the horse can carry himself and can keep himself balanced instead of relying on the reins.
I know this is an old comment but she does have a website on in hand work and she trained with Bent Branderup I believe. He has some dvds. academicartofriding com bentbranderupshop com Hope that helps :D
Sad thing is, I do that, and my mare apparently does know better, and if I reward the little things too often she does get "stuck" in training and sours toward more work. Depends on horse, IMO, since obviously there are those that can and will do better when pushed to do so, not shoved. Though, there are those that desperately need enthusiasm for tiny strides, as it can be all they are capable of at the time period given.
It looks like a leverage bit. These permit the rider to increase the level of discomfort and pain for the horse. Note how the horse is mouthing even with very little pressure. Please tell me you don't want this for your horse.
Teaching a horse to bow should never be taken lightly, You need to teach them how to shake and handle a lead rope around there hoof before you can teach the bow.
If his airway was obstructed he wouldn't be breathing and he'd be falling down from lack of oxygen. This from a vet tech and EMT. I hate rollkur too, but this is just barely behind the vertical.
bellasue02 He *is* flexed at the poll. The reins are loose, he is not in pain. It sounds like you are implying that this is rollkur? If so, trust me on this, it is not. I have been researching rollkur for a school report and *this is not rollkur or some other painful training method*.
+Emily Iannuzzi he's slight BTV with a broken neckline but that is in no way rollkur lol, why aren't people commenting on videos that have actual rollkur?
bellasue02 this horse does not once come bihind the vertical. This is a horse with a nice natural neck curvature who is performing a high degree of collection. When a horse is truly collected this posture comes naturally unlike the horses in modern dressage competition, there you see no collection with still a very high neck carriage. That is where you should be suspicious.
To the people who are complaining about this bit. Note how light her reins are. This is very different from watching people who do rollkur (for example) as they pull the horse's chin to its chest. Here the poll is usually high and chin is not forced to the chest. I am also impressed by the rider given this horse a pat, as many others have said that this is a rare occurrence lately. This is really very beautiful.
So fantastic to see the release and reward. So rarely viewed in these short footages.
Absolutely gorgeous stallion with the world of potential and a fantastic trainer! Well done! Baby steps, but he will be absolutely fantastic when he masters it!
💙💙💙💙great job Marijke!💙💙💙💙
you are very kind to your horse... Nice to see
Ze is echt goed!
the long shanks, in the way they are used by academic riders, are for the purpose of allowing the horse plenty of time to respond before they ever actually exert any pressure. You can test with your finger. A short shank will exert it's max pressure with very little taking of the hand. A long shank will take a lot more taking (more rotation to make) untill it actually causes pressure. This allows the horse to feel something is being asked before he feels any significant contact. In sum, short shanks for riding with the more "modern" constant contact, a long shanks are to be used with almost looping reins.
some of this depends on how snug the curb chain is.
thats true when there is no chain atatched to it under the chin. eles it means the longer the shanks the more pressure
That's how my trainer taught me to teach my horses. Ask for something, wait until they do it, and when they do something REALLY great or are being really consistent with what you ask and what they give you, then drop the reins, cookie, and a break.
Caspian nickers at me when he KNOWS he did something awesome. He stops, turns around, and looks at me. XD
Wunderfull! So lighthanded! Such a good relation between you 2!
old comment but she isn't using a double bridle, it is a cavesson with the curb. This horse (as with all of hers) begin in a cavesson and when they reach a certain point in training a curb is added and eventually just the curb will remain but only as a check as the horse will be guided with seat, leg and indirect rein cues.
Training animals is such a delicate balance between trust and fear. Sometimes it's hard to tell which motive is being employed, but from what I can see the horse looks happy enough.
Beautiful to watch!
I find this keeps them on track a lot longer and will actually improve their stamina if it gets progressively easier with each minute that goes by. You will find your horse looking forwards to keeping up the pace, rather than souring because of fun breaks and then feeling like they get punished by continuing the exercise. Horses are amazing creatures and I'm only a fraction way there to understanding them. My dream is to do a clinic just on rewarding the horse, it seems like its never taught...
Poor horse is starving and said "I will work for food!" Sewiously now, ears are above the crest & the 2 of them love to work together. The trainer is wonderfully calm too.
and she has superbly light hands
This horse is obviously not being starved.🙄Do you see any ribs?
@@kaylamaguire1617 just in case you didn't notice, she was very sarcastic 😊
Perhaps the bridle straps need adjusting (loosening) in your case or the bit is causing some discomfort (perhaps design or sizing issues). I generally stay well clear of bits and do just fine riding. Even with no bit in place the reins are used very lightly/suggestively or not at all (use of seat and legs). Incidentally, the mention of leverage bit was a reference to a design type (to be avoided IMHO) of which all take advantage of a lever arm in order to amplify applied force (wiki lever).
Could you do a tutorial on how to teach this from the beggining please?
nicely done!
I can't possibly criticize this trainer, judging by the horse's attitude she knows exactly how to apply and release pressure to get the desired response and maintain a happy horse, but I think thats the longest shanked bit I've ever seen used in this kind of work.
I believe that the they are focusing more on collection and springy, upward energy as apposed to forward. And it seems to me he is very focused in his work, not angry.
The curb-bit is used IN collection, not for the collection itselves and not to cause pain - it's the different effekt we want. The effect that gives pressure behind the ears, in and under the mouth. (so it will tell the horse to lengthen it's overline, not shorten it as a snaffle would do) Most hoses, included this, is educated bittless (only the caveson) until a higher degree of collection, and like I said: it's got nothing to do with being able to cause pain. Personally i use hackamore instead
anyone know what type of bit she is useing?
well you cant put the bit down anymore, it will cause the horse pain. There are different types of bits that are better and worse for a horse, I prefer Myler bits because the are designed to fit well in a horses mouth. Just because a bit looks harsh it doesnt mean it is, but ANY bit can be miss used and be harsh. If this horse was in pain it would be gone in a flash. There is nothing wrong in this video, the trainer is using nice soft hands and the horse is giving to it, horses dont give to pain
superb and delightful !!
Training with love? This is training with talent, then love or whatever else you want. But this gir has talent for sure.
What a good boy! Totally LOVE.
waho!!!!i like your way to teach!!!
my horse chews on the bit even if i through them on his neck and ride with no hands, some horses just chew on it. Look up pelham bits and do research, but until then dont say something if you dont know what your talking about
Richtig gut! Und leicht an den Hilfen :-)
why such the huge curb bit in the horses mouth? unless it's trained like some reining horses and saddlebreds i have seen. they get them so scared of the curb bit they will do anything you ask to avoid getting yanked. this horse is very handsome. but very hollow in the back and upside down except for the "headset" i call it that because it is not accepting a bit with any contact. rather an avoidance of the bit by overflexion with a hollow back. i'm just curious what this horse trained for.
about the mouthing, you can see it's not timed with the pressure from the bit which would be in the flow of the horses gait. Horses have a very expressive mouth and to me it looks like he's just expressing concentration and effort. He would probably give her other signs of discomfort if that was the case, such as tension(!!)
yes, i do understand this, I start and break young horses to do dressage and jumpers, and I find that every horse requires a different reward system, if i was in your case I'd use the 'hard work to releif' technique. I'd push the horse strongly and be tough but not aggressive. Then once you see the realization in the horse, then allow another 5-20 minutes of the same work with half the effort on your part. They'll seek to work longer vs pausing to be rewarded.
Ok I'm no expert but I believe over flexion is when the horse's head is pulled behind the vertical. The reason he isn't accepting contact is because he isn't meant to, this training is all about lightness and she doesn't need to keep consistent contact because the horse can carry himself and can keep himself balanced instead of relying on the reins.
I know this is an old comment but she does have a website on in hand work and she trained with Bent Branderup I believe. He has some dvds.
academicartofriding com
bentbranderupshop com
Hope that helps :D
Thank you!
Sad thing is, I do that, and my mare apparently does know better, and if I reward the little things too often she does get "stuck" in training and sours toward more work. Depends on horse, IMO, since obviously there are those that can and will do better when pushed to do so, not shoved. Though, there are those that desperately need enthusiasm for tiny strides, as it can be all they are capable of at the time period given.
Goodbey El Blanco.
Good Boy El Blanco!! :p
hope this is trained with love ...
also his back muscles most definitely come up to meet his croup. I see no hollowing.
WOW!!!!!!!!
very very good;))
It looks like a leverage bit. These permit the rider to increase the level of discomfort and pain for the horse. Note how the horse is mouthing even with very little pressure. Please tell me you don't want this for your horse.
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Teaching a horse to bow should never be taken lightly, You need to teach them how to shake and handle a lead rope around there hoof before you can teach the bow.
I have taught horses to bow without ropes. They arent necesaerally necessary
This is unnatural and is constant pain on his mouth if he doesn't over flex at the poll which obstructs his airway. He has no way out. This is cruel
If his airway was obstructed he wouldn't be breathing and he'd be falling down from lack of oxygen. This from a vet tech and EMT. I hate rollkur too, but this is just barely behind the vertical.
bellasue02 He *is* flexed at the poll. The reins are loose, he is not in pain. It sounds like you are implying that this is rollkur? If so, trust me on this, it is not. I have been researching rollkur for a school report and *this is not rollkur or some other painful training method*.
+Emily Iannuzzi he's slight BTV with a broken neckline but that is in no way rollkur lol, why aren't people commenting on videos that have actual rollkur?
bellasue02 this horse does not once come bihind the vertical. This is a horse with a nice natural neck curvature who is performing a high degree of collection. When a horse is truly collected this posture comes naturally unlike the horses in modern dressage competition, there you see no collection with still a very high neck carriage. That is where you should be suspicious.
bellasue02 ignorance that makes me cringe. I feel embarrassed for you....