@@dukeofmtb I actually learning about the downside to a linkage driven single pivot bike without the rotating caliper bracket like on the trek bikes. I have never ridden a bike like that before. Then again the revel rail should be in the same category as this bike and I really hated that bike ( there I said it ) most other bikes that I have tried are horst link bikes.
@@s14tat Yup, it's an inherent thing with single pivots. The suspension locks up when braking. Four bar/horst link and it's other varients don't have that problem. The main advantage of a single pivot vs more complex designs is durability, reliability, and predictable suspension response. But these days, the difference is negligible. I guess I just gotta stay off the brakes. 😅
Great review! So much more in-depth and real. As newer rider I was looking at this bike for my 2nd ride, but am thinking it may not be the right one. Also thanks for explaining the different types of rear Suspension pivot. I didn’t even know this was a thing. Thanks again!
Thanks. If most of your riding is descents with just some gravel grinds to the top, then this is the bike for you. Awful bike for technical climbs though. This is a descenders trail bike. Perfect for what I like to do. I'm not usually interested in being the fastest to the top or clearing technical climbs. I might do it here and there, but I ride for the descents. I'm loving the bike though, especially now that I got it pretty dialed.
I have this exact bike in the same color coming next month. Looks SO damn good, I can't wait. Got some Shimano Saint calipers to replace the 2-pot XT's as well.
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Great video! this is seriously by far the most informative video on the Meta TR 29 that I've seen yet and has definitely helped me on solidifying the fact that I WANT THIS BIKE! haha thanks dude!!
I bet it's a blast. Sometimes I wonder if I should have went for the AM. Especially that I have the HT for our local trails now. Congrats on your new steed. 😁👍
Every review I read or hear about this bike is only semi positive and still people love the bike. The very long front end requiring huge weight shifts to maintain frontwheel traction... the heft of the bike, the very short top tube folding your body when on flat terrain, the locked up suspension while braking (which to me seems to be THE scenario in which you want active sus), the brakes + dropper + tires commencal totally cheaped out on... All this and still people love it - and to be honest, it's such a perfect looking bike I keep coming back to pictures and fantasies of it myself. Who would you honestly recommend this to over other modern bikes? Is the durability the main selling point to you? BTW: I forgot to thank you for a very informative and honest video. It's refreshing not to only hear the buyer's bias speak ;)
I think folks are just trying to be honest so there are no surprises when you decide to buy the bike. Every bike has certain aspects that aren't 100%. The long reach requiring a change of ride style isn't a con, I just want to make sure someone thinking about buying the bike is aware of it. The top tube length is perfect. I never feel folded over when seated. If you do, your saddle is slammed too far forward. The heft of the bike is a positive for descending. It gives you more stability. It's just worth mentioning for the weight weenies. It's definitely much more durable than the average bike though. The brakes and front tire are really the only weak points. The suspension stiffening up when braking is hardly an issue either. I've gone through crazy long rock garden type sections just fine(I just have to be more aware of my braking zones). These are all just things worth mentioning to folks that either come from a lycra clad xc background(so they might be weight weenies), coming from an older bike(they lean back too far and aren't used to riding a bike with modern geo), or people that aren't familiar with the characteristics of a single pivot. All in all, it IS a great bike. I have no regrets. Once you swing your leg over this thing, you'll love it too.
If you do all the work on your bike yourself and want an easy to maintain bike with modern geo that will last forever. This is the bike for you. I would buy a bike with this exact geo again, without a doubt.
@@dukeofmtb thanks again for the deliberate response. One last question: have you ever ridden a longer chainstay bike? If yes: do you notice the altered position between the wheels? If yes again: what's the difference?
Such a nice review! As a geometry geek i really appreciate it. Very insightful in the suspension department. Never considered how much a chain ring can affect the suspension
Thanks! Hopefully we'll get some good footage on this trip that'll last us for the next month or so worth of content. Cory's super stoked to go try her new bike as well. 😁👍
As someone on an XL frame with a bikeyoke 213mm dropper, I'm so jealous of you being on a medium with that level of drop. I wish I could get 250. You might want to pick up a spare OneUp dropper cartridge... literally everyone I know with one has had them fail within a year or two (self inlcuded twice over, hence going to bike yoke)
I've been pretty lucky so far. OneUp droppers on 4 bikes. Also had it on my old Remedy. I just keep them clean and regularly regrease them. If it does happen, it's a pretty easy fix. Thanks for the tip though. And yes...I'm so happy to have all that drop. I have a 210 on my hardtail too, and it feels like an oversized DJ when the saddle is down. I love it. 😁
@@davidgrothen3943 That's why I like OneUp. They work great, and if one fails, they're pretty cheap to fix or just replace. You can recoup cost from buying a new one by selling the old one for $75 to $100 to someone on a budget, and just let the buyer know it needs a new cartridge.
Thanks! I'm neutral on 'mulleting' this bike. If you need the extra room in the back to avoid ture buzz, sure. Otherwise, it doesn't really need it. You do you. 😁👍
Thanks! Geometry was one, and then the fact that the spec was super close to my ideal build. I hardly had to change anything to make it exactly how I want it. For a little over $4500 at the time, it was hard to beat.
Interestiny enough I ordered Enduro version a few weeks ago, same size. Should arrive in October. Thanks for the video! The little will go full suspension once she is a bit bigger
Nice! Too bad it'll be arriving towards the end of the biking season. I hope you get a few rides in with it at some proper trails before it gets too cold.
I have the same bike, the "essential" one. I agree with your conclusions, the bike feels great in fast rough stuff. I did change the damper to DVO topaz and cushcore in the rear, the rear feels much better now. I also changed the front brake to 4 piston slx. I plan to change the dropper to a longer one if i have the money.
Great review, learned a lot about single pivots. Do you think Magura have too much bite? After moving to 29er would you go back to 27.5? Currently on 27 and debating on my next bike.
Thanks! It depends on the pads you use, rotor size, and wheel size(rotational mass). You can tune it up to a certain degree. For the most part, the bite is somewhere between Saints and Codes. Not as sudden and jarring as Shimano, but not as gradual as Sram. But the overall max power is definitely more than either those. In regard to wheel size. I wouldn't mind going back to 27.5, but I'm also only 5'9. I wish there were more mullet options. I like the roll over of 29ers, but getting occasionaly buzzed in the bum isn't fun. If I was taller, then I'd probably just stick to 29ers since I really enjoy straight-line plowing through chunk, and a 29er makes it less likely for the wheels to get caught up on something.
Always love a Duke of MTB bike check since you're so thoughtful down to every little thing. I'm a fellow Metro Detroiter, and I'm curious where (if anywhere) you'd plan to ride this bike around here? My only bike is a progressive hardtail but I'm beginning to look into what kind of full suspension bike I'd want eventually. Thanks for explaining the distinctions under braking between pivot designs, plus anti-squat based on chainrings. See you on the trails one of these days I'm sure!
Glad you found the video interesting. For the most part, I like using my Meta hardtail for all the local SE Michigan stuff. It's also an aggressive hardtail like yours. I do occasionally take the TR to DTE though, or to go session some lesser known spots. But for the most part, I use the TR for out of town trips (Copper Harbor, Pisgah, etc) and for the bike park. I would have used it to go to Blue Mountain in Ontario on the weekends, but it seems they're closing their bike park down for good. So bummed about that news. 😢
Just got into moutain biking this year, and your channel is making me more and more interested and very excited on riding trails! I kinda binge watching your videos. 😁 Love it how you and Cory are so sweet while riding, yet sending those gnarly features! Goodluck and have fun! 🤙🤙🤙 🇵🇭
Hope you guys would have some video tutorials on how to get ready on those massive (for me) drops and jumps. :) I got an xc bike and new to mountain biking, watching your channel makes me wanted to lean on to more aggressive type of riding. Idk if should I stick on my xc bike while progress my skills or I can just shift from xc to enduro bike then progress my skills.
@@gianneng1501 You can go ahead and switch bikes. A more aggressive bike will give you more confidence and they're built stronger for jumps and drops. A slacker head angle can save you from an OTB if you mess up. XC bikes aren't as forgiving. We actually aren't that great at jumps. We don't always clear them but we keep trying. Drops are a bit easier. The hard part is just getting the courage to do them and then working your way up to bigger ones. Start small. You got this. We're actually not that far ahead of you skills-wise. You'll catch up in no time. 😁👍
@@dukeofmtb I'm just new to drops and jumps, kinda more confident on jumps (little) rather than drops. Lol. Thank you for your advice! Hope someday I could visit there and ride with you guys!
Is there any issue with removing the Fidlock bottle with the pump mounted like that? Is one side better than the other. I have yet to get around to testing it out.
Great review, very informative! I’m hesitant between the Meta HT et this one. Only have budget for one bike - an all around. I live in France and will mostly use it for rolling trails, some technicals section and plan to go to bike park when in holidays. Also want to do bike packing with the bike. Do you have an opinion between the HT and the TR ? I use to do BMX, dirt and freeride when younger, so I’M not a newbie. Thanks in advance if you take time to answer me!
The TR, because of the suspension, will be better in technical stuff and at the bike park, but not so much for bike packing. Although the HT is a very capable hardtail, it'll be rough on a lot more technical stuff or on bigger features at the bike park. Of the two bikes, the HT would probably be better for bike packing. If you don't ride anything too crazy, the HT isn't a bad choice, but a full suspension bike is still going to be more comfortable and faster on the descents.
@@dukeofmtb thanks for the quick reply! Still have to make my mind but after seeing your video on the HT, I think I’ll go with this model. Go hard or die haha!
That she is. Swapped out the Float X2 with a Super Deluxe with a MegNeg and now it's even better. Super plush off the top, but super poppy and playful due to the supportive mid stroke. The SX seems like a great option too though.
Perfect review...very helpful! ..Can I ask you sizing question please? I 'm 173cm tall..do you think that M size would be too long? I like short cockpit bikes..and from geo charts it looks that the cockpit is quite short ay 592mm for a medium size so it looks perfect..but reach is long indeed at 465mm. But if I would choose S size..the cockpit is sooo short at 566mm....
Nice and good luck with it. Good deal for 4 grand with the Factory suspension, thats usually on the top tier bikes double that $$$. Speaking of pedal kickback my 2018 Spectral had that and it was common but with my 2019 Instinct BC i really cant say i ever had it even though i rode much rougher trails on the RM. I am starting to miss not having a bike now but the Spectral LTD is ALWAYS sold out and new RM top tier is about 8 grand or more and not really sure if i want a 160 travel bike or lighter w less travel. I would hate to spend 7 grand on something as specific as a hardtail though i do miss having a 20 pound bike for moderate riding. If you want to drop some weight XMC 1200 wheels but they're not cheap
My next bike is probably going to be a Transition Spire. A descent oriented 170mm travel and 63 HA bike that's still light enough to be pedaled around. No more half measures for me. I already have the Meta HT for the local stuff, might as well go all in for everything else.
Thank you for sharing this, just subscribed :-) I just recently started mountain biking and upgrading my entry level XC Trek Marlin 6 (size Large) to the Meta TR Essential in size Large. I am 5'10 and I weigh 72kg. I am hoping that this size will work good for me, what do you think? Frothing to get this new bike, hopefully arrives in a couple months' time. Cheers
Thanks! The medium is pretty big. Should be perfect for you. You might have to push the saddle rearward slightly so it doesn't feel cramped when seated, but once you're stood up on a descent, it's perfect. Many folks that upsized on the 2021 Meta TR or AM regretted it, so stick with the recommendation on their size chart. I think you'll love it. 😁👍
I just purchased a meta tr frame should be here in July can't wait. Looking at some of your videos it looks like your in the western North Carolina area, how does the tr hold up with the trails out here. I currently ride a meta ht am and freaking love that bike over my yt jeffsy. The jeffsy is getting stripped and moved over to the tr.
We're actually from Michigan, but we like riding Pisgah a lot. This thing rips dude. We've taken it to Bailey and Windrock, and even though it only has 140mm in the rear, it can handle it all due to it's geo. Since it's built like a tank, you don't have to worry about it falling apart on you either.
@@dukeofmtb sweet, I can't wait for the bike little bummed out they only had the polished metal color, that would ship in a reasonable time. Was hoping to get the tan or the dirt color. I'm excited nonetheless.
@@garrett7366 lol. Really? I prefer the look of the polished gray one. The dirt colored one was all that was available in the Signature build when I ordered mine. Grass is always greener on the other side I guess. 😅 Still love it though.
Hi great vid! One question on sizing: what size would you recommend for someone exactly in between sizes? I have long legs so not sure if the smaller size will work because the short seat tube. On the other hand, a very long reach on ther larger size could also be a problem.
Short seat tube is a plus no matter the size. That way you can use the longest dropper post possible. On this bike, it's best not to upsize. I'd go with the smaller size if you're exactly in between sizes. Otherwise it might be too unwieldy.
Just picked up my Meta Tr Race, with the Rockshox Super Deluxe coil in the rear. What adapter did you use for your water bottle mount? I assume I’ll run into the same issue.
I used a Fidlock magnetic water bottle and I also had to use the Wolftooth B-Rad mounting base adapter to mount it lower in the frame. Hope this helps.
😉 Why do you call this an awful bike for technical climbs? I own and love ❤️ my 2020 Commencal Meta TR Ride 29". I enjoy both the climbs and the descents!!! I am considering taking it and leaving it with Family overseas/Thailand to share and ride a couple of months a year. And then for Home/Oregon buying a new 2022 Commencal Meta TR 29". BUT, your review gives me some real pause.
The geometry is more descent focused(long, low, & slack) and it's pretty heavy. You gotta be pretty fit to do technical climbs on a modern enduro. It's doable but it's not the best tool for the job. I feel it's best suited for blue climbs that lead to some gnarly double black descents afterward.
@@dukeofmtb you did mention to size based on your height. This will be my first full suspension bike so I’m not sure about sizing differences. My current bike is a 2016 medium Specialized fuse. The commencal will have longer reach and wheel base and of course updated geo. I’m 5’3. Do you think it’ll be too much bike for me?
@@kooray83 Well, Commencal has been pretty easy to deal with for me. So if it doesn't work out, I'm sure they'll replace it. Who knows, maybe the larger size jives with your riding style more. Good luck. 👍
FWIW Commencal confirmed VIA email that the Flip Chip from the new Meta SX will be backwards compatible with the TR. So more BB drop will be available on the TR with the chip. The currently BB drop is my only complaint with my TR build (well besides the weight). Unfortunately the Chips will not hit their web site as an a la cart part until Q3 2022! And even that is debatable but it gives me some hope for tiny upgrade and customization nexties..
@mertozcan2362 I believe you'd have to buy the shock yolk for the newer TR to get the flip chip. From what I gathered, the 21 TR is already like the new one with the flip chip set on low anyway. And if you want to do a mullet setup, there's a yoke/link from WRP that makes that work without messing up your geo.
Been looking for updates on the 21 since I ordered in January. Going with the Essential and will immediately swap to 4 pot XT brakes and XT shifter. I doubt I'll be pushing limits in any capacity outside of the brakes as a heavy rider not quite ready to push too hard.
Damn dude- that’s a sweet ride! I got a pair of mt7 racelines recently and I noticed that you have the HC3 levers. Do you feel that they’re worth the extra dough? Hoping to run into you guys on the trails this season :))
Thanks! For your main bike, absolutely. The tunability is great and the lever feel is firmer with them too. I'd put them on all our bikes if they weren't so expensive. The HC levers are okay, but they feel very flexy in comparison to the hc3 levers. Try ebay or pinkbike buy/sell. You might be able to find them for half the price like I did. Good luck. 😁👍
Hey man, what would you say is the max insertion length on the seattube for a dropper post? I looked online and the total insertion length for the OneUp dropper you have is 297mm.. but it looks like you don't have it quite all the way in. So would you estimate maybe 280-290mm is the furthest a dropper post could be inserted into the frame?
In it's current state with pedals, water bottle, and everything, she gets pretty close to 40. I'm out of town right now without a scale around, but I'm guessing somewhere between 35 to 37 lbs.
I was wondering if you’ve ever done the descending trails at stony creek they can be acsessed through the highest point at stony I’m asking because I recently found this very steep hike to a point that almost looks like a overlook and there were trailheads that had very long descents I did one of the descents and it lasted about a minute and a half I hiked back up to the point and a man then told me it was the highest point in stony just asking you because they would be very good content
Gotta get my dropper swapped for the 150 I have. Hopefully it works. lol Then maybe I will upgrade to the One UP and get a bit more drop. The 125 on my S Evil is definitely not enough.
Blue mountain closed for good man :( Sucks because i just moved to ontario last year right when it closed due to COVID. No big deal, i'll just ride this year right? Nope!
They're both good bikes. Hard to choose. One is a 27.5, the other is a 29er. It also depends on the type of riding you like and what you're looking for in a bike. I like the TR because I care more about descending. The slacker HA helps with the steep stuff. Having a very durable bike(albeit heavy bike) is great too.
Here's an Amazon affiliate link for you: amzn.to/3lNPXhI I got the medium for my TR. I didn't need to use the plastic washers. Long bolts go through the long holes into the frame. You might need to use the original Fidlock bolts to bolt on the Fidlock mount. If the Wolftooth bolt heads are too thick, they might not allow the bottle to sit flush in the magnetic mount. Although I think the Wolftooth bolts worked fine on my bike. I used different bolts on Cory's hardtail and couldn't figure out why the bottle kept falling out at first. 😅
@@dukeofmtb okay! Im looking for a new Race Bike and I have legit no clue for wich one I should go. Here in EU theres no Meta AM available. Just the TR Versions.
@@maniacmike8613 What about the SX? It's basically a mixed wheeled AM. If you're primarily descending, the longer travel bike is still probably your best choice. Although the TR has great geo, there are times I wish I had more travel in the rear. Mostly when I'm at the bike park.
Yo, so Magura told me I could NOT use adapters with those rotors and you are??! Any issues? I went with TRP Rotors with no adapters for my Naguras since I also have DT Swiss Center lock.
I had no issues, but I used the DT Swiss adapters, not Magura ones. The magura centerlock adaptors will eventually wear into the aluminum slots they fit into and then fail. The DT Swiss adaptors slot into the 6 bolt holes instead, so it should be fine. The Storm HC rotors have a centerlock equivalent now though. Try looking for MDR-C centerlock rotors.
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Not all the way, there's an inch left under the droppers collar. But it's perfect for my inseam. I'm able to use the whole 210 of dropper travel. It'll probably be too long for a small though. Go with the 180mm dropper.
Thanks. Yeah, I figured it's best to be completely honest and not pretend everything is 100% perfect. I still love the bike. It's so capable. Those things are hardly an inconvenience really. I've already tested the bigger chainring and cranks at Pisgah and they've definitely made a difference. Only downside being no granny gear. 😅
was lookin' at one of these, but I think I don't want to ride fast enough to let this bike do it's thing - I like a little more donkey of a bike. good notice
For sure, but it's super noticeable on the TR. The larger chainring and shorter cranks should minimize it. On my way to Pisgah, so I'll be able to test it out soon. 😁👍
@@brassmnky33 Sure. But most of the time I'll have my pedals level. The difference should be negligible either way. Tooth count has an overall larger effect. So a 34t oval is still going to have less kickback than a round 32t. 🙂👍
how is this bike different from the 2020 Meta TR? Looks like they just made the top tube and seat tube connect with straight piece instead of curved one they use to have.
Here you go: • 10 more mm travel front and rear. 2020 TR came with a 140mm or 150mm fork with 130mm travel in the rear. 2021 TR is 150 or 160 front, 140 rear. Mine is the 160/140 build. • The 2021 TR has 64° head angle(160mm fork), a steeper seat tube, and longer reach. • The 2020 TR comes stock at a 66.5° HA (66 if you upfork to 150), etc. • Suspension kinematics have changed. Higher anti squat for better pedaling efficiency and lower leverage ratio so that heavy riders don't exceed the PSI limits of the shock. The progression curve is also less steep. • The 2020 Meta TR is a "heavy duty" trail bike with dated geo. A modern "light duty" trail bike like the Trek Top Fuel has more aggressive numbers than this but without all the weight. The 2021 TR is basically an enduro bike even though it's labeled as "trail." You can easily take it to the bike park without worrying about breaking anything. Although the 2020 is just as robust, steeper and chunkier trails are going to be be a bit more challenging than they need to be. I wouldn't take it to Windrock in Tennessee for example. Could it be done? Sure, but this is where the 2021 version will feel significantly better than the 2020. If you ride undulating hills all day stick with the 2020. If you do very long descents, 2021+ for the win.
Thanks! I'm glad you feel that way. I was concerned my response was too "nerdy". 😅 The majority of the rest of our vids are more about our adventures on the trails though. I might do more review or tech vids in the future. Your comment has inspired me to try more stuff like that. Thanks for subbing too. I hope the rest of our content is engaging enough that you stick around. 😊
@@Dempsey222 The combination of the slack HA, longer reach, and steeper seat tube, means you are sitting more forward on the bike and the front wheel doesn't tend to rise up and wander about like on shorter, steeper bikes in which you're practically seated over the rear tire. So you don't have to lean forward to put weight on the front. You can just kinda casually sit there and spin. A seat tube around 78° also puts you in a more comfortable pedaling position when going uphill. Less strain on the lower back and knees. On my 2017 Remedy, it felt like I had to do pullups on my handlebars while having to pedal with my legs in front of me as opposed to under me. In short, better weight distribution and a more comfortable body position make it easier to grind uphill with less effort and strain. It's only when you do more technical, trials types of things that a shorter and steeper head angled bike might have an advantage, but I'm no Danny 'Mac' anyway. 😅
oooh, that's a tricky one. TR if you want a better spec for the money, stronger bike, more descent oriented(more stable downhill). Sight, if you want a more lively, poppy, bike, but with a slightly lower spec per dollar. Both are good, very similar geo and travel. TR is a little longer though.
👉 5'9" ● Side note; with my 32" inseam I've been using a 210mm OneUp dropper on this medium frame. One of the reasons why I'll probably never own a Santa Cruz. I like my saddle really out of the way on the descents. 😁👍
Very in-depth feedback. In fact more in-depth then anyone else I have seen. I learned a lot from this video actually.
Thank you! I was really concerned the vid was gonna be total poop with how I rushed it. 😅
@@dukeofmtb I actually learning about the downside to a linkage driven single pivot bike without the rotating caliper bracket like on the trek bikes. I have never ridden a bike like that before. Then again the revel rail should be in the same category as this bike and I really hated that bike ( there I said it ) most other bikes that I have tried are horst link bikes.
@@s14tat Yup, it's an inherent thing with single pivots. The suspension locks up when braking. Four bar/horst link and it's other varients don't have that problem. The main advantage of a single pivot vs more complex designs is durability, reliability, and predictable suspension response. But these days, the difference is negligible. I guess I just gotta stay off the brakes. 😅
@@dukeofmtb that's everyone's goal, ride with as little brake as possible.
Great review! So much more in-depth and real. As newer rider I was looking at this bike for my 2nd ride, but am thinking it may not be the right one. Also thanks for explaining the different types of rear Suspension pivot. I didn’t even know this was a thing. Thanks again!
Thanks. If most of your riding is descents with just some gravel grinds to the top, then this is the bike for you. Awful bike for technical climbs though. This is a descenders trail bike. Perfect for what I like to do. I'm not usually interested in being the fastest to the top or clearing technical climbs. I might do it here and there, but I ride for the descents. I'm loving the bike though, especially now that I got it pretty dialed.
I have this exact bike in the same color coming next month. Looks SO damn good, I can't wait. Got some Shimano Saint calipers to replace the 2-pot XT's as well.
Sweet! Good choice. 👍
So...I just happened to be scrolling through some old comments...how you liking the bike?
Recently got my new Girlfriend interested in MTB and your channel has been a big part of the introduction to this life. Thank you!
That's awesome! 😁👍
First, you put together a great video in one day. Second, It was nice hearing about the bike as well. Reminds me a lot of how my bike rides!
Yup. Started at 5pm, finished at like 2am. Never doing that again. Lol. Glad you enjoyed the vid though. 😅
im thinking of getting this bike, and this really helped with the decision, so thanks for the honest review!
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Great video! this is seriously by far the most informative video on the Meta TR 29 that I've seen yet and has definitely helped me on solidifying the fact that I WANT THIS BIKE! haha thanks dude!!
Thanks! Glad you found it informative, even though it's rushed. 😅
Great review. I'm loving my 2021 Meta AM. I need to do a bike review on it.
I bet it's a blast. Sometimes I wonder if I should have went for the AM. Especially that I have the HT for our local trails now. Congrats on your new steed. 😁👍
Every review I read or hear about this bike is only semi positive and still people love the bike. The very long front end requiring huge weight shifts to maintain frontwheel traction... the heft of the bike, the very short top tube folding your body when on flat terrain, the locked up suspension while braking (which to me seems to be THE scenario in which you want active sus), the brakes + dropper + tires commencal totally cheaped out on...
All this and still people love it - and to be honest, it's such a perfect looking bike I keep coming back to pictures and fantasies of it myself. Who would you honestly recommend this to over other modern bikes? Is the durability the main selling point to you?
BTW: I forgot to thank you for a very informative and honest video. It's refreshing not to only hear the buyer's bias speak ;)
I think folks are just trying to be honest so there are no surprises when you decide to buy the bike. Every bike has certain aspects that aren't 100%.
The long reach requiring a change of ride style isn't a con, I just want to make sure someone thinking about buying the bike is aware of it.
The top tube length is perfect. I never feel folded over when seated. If you do, your saddle is slammed too far forward.
The heft of the bike is a positive for descending. It gives you more stability. It's just worth mentioning for the weight weenies. It's definitely much more durable than the average bike though.
The brakes and front tire are really the only weak points.
The suspension stiffening up when braking is hardly an issue either. I've gone through crazy long rock garden type sections just fine(I just have to be more aware of my braking zones).
These are all just things worth mentioning to folks that either come from a lycra clad xc background(so they might be weight weenies), coming from an older bike(they lean back too far and aren't used to riding a bike with modern geo), or people that aren't familiar with the characteristics of a single pivot.
All in all, it IS a great bike. I have no regrets. Once you swing your leg over this thing, you'll love it too.
If you do all the work on your bike yourself and want an easy to maintain bike with modern geo that will last forever. This is the bike for you. I would buy a bike with this exact geo again, without a doubt.
@@dukeofmtb thanks again for the deliberate response. One last question: have you ever ridden a longer chainstay bike? If yes: do you notice the altered position between the wheels? If yes again: what's the difference?
Can't say that I have. Google is your friend. 😅
Such a nice review! As a geometry geek i really appreciate it. Very insightful in the suspension department. Never considered how much a chain ring can affect the suspension
very comprehensive review, thank you. cant wait to see this summer's content bro!
Thanks! Hopefully we'll get some good footage on this trip that'll last us for the next month or so worth of content. Cory's super stoked to go try her new bike as well. 😁👍
@@dukeofmtb i bet she is, that's awesome! have fun guys!
As someone on an XL frame with a bikeyoke 213mm dropper, I'm so jealous of you being on a medium with that level of drop. I wish I could get 250. You might want to pick up a spare OneUp dropper cartridge... literally everyone I know with one has had them fail within a year or two (self inlcuded twice over, hence going to bike yoke)
I've been pretty lucky so far. OneUp droppers on 4 bikes. Also had it on my old Remedy. I just keep them clean and regularly regrease them. If it does happen, it's a pretty easy fix. Thanks for the tip though. And yes...I'm so happy to have all that drop. I have a 210 on my hardtail too, and it feels like an oversized DJ when the saddle is down. I love it. 😁
BikeYoke fails too, I’ve had three full rebuilds in under two years use on three droppers on two bikes. (One back up)
@@davidgrothen3943 That's why I like OneUp. They work great, and if one fails, they're pretty cheap to fix or just replace. You can recoup cost from buying a new one by selling the old one for $75 to $100 to someone on a budget, and just let the buyer know it needs a new cartridge.
This frame look so gorgeous. best frame in the whole world.
Great video and excellent info and presentation. Thanks for sharing!
Nice review beautiful steed! I think I'm going to reorder the absolute oval. Mine was taken when delivered. Great review!
Really? That's unfortunate. Who steels a chainring? Jeez.
Nice bike! Was on my list but the 2021 Nukeproof Reactor came in first so that's what I own now.
Sweet!
Great video man! Do you recommend making it a mullet?
Thanks! I'm neutral on 'mulleting' this bike. If you need the extra room in the back to avoid ture buzz, sure. Otherwise, it doesn't really need it. You do you. 😁👍
Great content and reviews. What variables made you choose Commencal over other bike brands?
Thanks! Geometry was one, and then the fact that the spec was super close to my ideal build. I hardly had to change anything to make it exactly how I want it. For a little over $4500 at the time, it was hard to beat.
@@dukeofmtb You got really good deal on that bike. I think it's over 5k now. Great spec and components.
@@RomeyRome413 Yeah. Bikes have gone up. 😬
Great review! Looking forward to your next adventure👍
Awesome review. Beautiful bike. Love the ODI lock on grip clamps 4:03. Panalo!
A friend gave them to me as a gift. The custom etching is pretty sweet. Best gift ever. 😊
@@dukeofmtb nice.
Great video as usual. I am new to the sport and looking forward to hitting the local S.E. Michigan trails.
That's great! Welcome to the mtb life! I'm so stoked for you. 🤘
Interestiny enough I ordered Enduro version a few weeks ago, same size. Should arrive in October. Thanks for the video!
The little will go full suspension once she is a bit bigger
Nice! Too bad it'll be arriving towards the end of the biking season. I hope you get a few rides in with it at some proper trails before it gets too cold.
@@dukeofmtb thanks!
Awesome video man love all the info. But also.. how did you get all black brake covers on your Maguras? Or did you paint them yourself?
Thanks! I just removed all the covers after losing one. I kinda like the way it looks, so...😅
I have the same bike, the "essential" one. I agree with your conclusions, the bike feels great in fast rough stuff. I did change the damper to DVO topaz and cushcore in the rear, the rear feels much better now. I also changed the front brake to 4 piston slx. I plan to change the dropper to a longer one if i have the money.
That's great, dude! It really is a great bike, just takes a bit getting used to.
Great review, learned a lot about single pivots. Do you think Magura have too much bite? After moving to 29er would you go back to 27.5? Currently on 27 and debating on my next bike.
Thanks! It depends on the pads you use, rotor size, and wheel size(rotational mass). You can tune it up to a certain degree. For the most part, the bite is somewhere between Saints and Codes. Not as sudden and jarring as Shimano, but not as gradual as Sram. But the overall max power is definitely more than either those.
In regard to wheel size. I wouldn't mind going back to 27.5, but I'm also only 5'9. I wish there were more mullet options. I like the roll over of 29ers, but getting occasionaly buzzed in the bum isn't fun. If I was taller, then I'd probably just stick to 29ers since I really enjoy straight-line plowing through chunk, and a 29er makes it less likely for the wheels to get caught up on something.
DUDE I AM STILL WAITING FOR MY META AM... my soul is drying up as I wait.
Lol. I bet. I think I ordered my TR in August last year. Got it in October. Soon, broski. You'll love it. 😁👍
You're going to love it, man! I Got lucky I found My META AM on Offer-UP and it's a great bike.
Always love a Duke of MTB bike check since you're so thoughtful down to every little thing. I'm a fellow Metro Detroiter, and I'm curious where (if anywhere) you'd plan to ride this bike around here? My only bike is a progressive hardtail but I'm beginning to look into what kind of full suspension bike I'd want eventually. Thanks for explaining the distinctions under braking between pivot designs, plus anti-squat based on chainrings. See you on the trails one of these days I'm sure!
Glad you found the video interesting. For the most part, I like using my Meta hardtail for all the local SE Michigan stuff. It's also an aggressive hardtail like yours. I do occasionally take the TR to DTE though, or to go session some lesser known spots. But for the most part, I use the TR for out of town trips (Copper Harbor, Pisgah, etc) and for the bike park. I would have used it to go to Blue Mountain in Ontario on the weekends, but it seems they're closing their bike park down for good. So bummed about that news. 😢
Word that makes perfect sense to me. I just heard about Blue Mountain, what a shame. Anyway, enjoy your trip!
Just got into moutain biking this year, and your channel is making me more and more interested and very excited on riding trails! I kinda binge watching your videos. 😁 Love it how you and Cory are so sweet while riding, yet sending those gnarly features! Goodluck and have fun! 🤙🤙🤙 🇵🇭
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the channel. 😊
Hope you guys would have some video tutorials on how to get ready on those massive (for me) drops and jumps. :)
I got an xc bike and new to mountain biking, watching your channel makes me wanted to lean on to more aggressive type of riding. Idk if should I stick on my xc bike while progress my skills or I can just shift from xc to enduro bike then progress my skills.
@@gianneng1501 You can go ahead and switch bikes. A more aggressive bike will give you more confidence and they're built stronger for jumps and drops. A slacker head angle can save you from an OTB if you mess up. XC bikes aren't as forgiving.
We actually aren't that great at jumps. We don't always clear them but we keep trying. Drops are a bit easier. The hard part is just getting the courage to do them and then working your way up to bigger ones. Start small. You got this. We're actually not that far ahead of you skills-wise. You'll catch up in no time. 😁👍
@@dukeofmtb I'm just new to drops and jumps, kinda more confident on jumps (little) rather than drops. Lol. Thank you for your advice! Hope someday I could visit there and ride with you guys!
Is there any issue with removing the Fidlock bottle with the pump mounted like that? Is one side better than the other. I have yet to get around to testing it out.
You have to have the nozzle side up or else the bottle catches on the pumps nozzle head, otherwise it works fine.
Eh! Nice ! I'll watch after work brother!
Great review, very informative! I’m hesitant between the Meta HT et this one. Only have budget for one bike - an all around. I live in France and will mostly use it for rolling trails, some technicals section and plan to go to bike park when in holidays. Also want to do bike packing with the bike. Do you have an opinion between the HT and the TR ? I use to do BMX, dirt and freeride when younger, so I’M not a newbie.
Thanks in advance if you take time to answer me!
The TR, because of the suspension, will be better in technical stuff and at the bike park, but not so much for bike packing.
Although the HT is a very capable hardtail, it'll be rough on a lot more technical stuff or on bigger features at the bike park. Of the two bikes, the HT would probably be better for bike packing.
If you don't ride anything too crazy, the HT isn't a bad choice, but a full suspension bike is still going to be more comfortable and faster on the descents.
@@dukeofmtb thanks for the quick reply! Still have to make my mind but after seeing your video on the HT, I think I’ll go with this model. Go hard or die haha!
@@pedrolove9221 Sweet! 🤘😁
What a beauty. Great review! I'm thinking of getting one aswell. But can't decide between the TR or AM SX
That she is. Swapped out the Float X2 with a Super Deluxe with a MegNeg and now it's even better. Super plush off the top, but super poppy and playful due to the supportive mid stroke. The SX seems like a great option too though.
Did you hear that Blue mountain closed in Ontario, I'm so pissed. At least Horseshoe resort is open
Yeah...so sad. 😭 RIP Blue.
Perfect review...very helpful! ..Can I ask you sizing question please? I 'm 173cm tall..do you think that M size would be too long? I like short cockpit bikes..and from geo charts it looks that the cockpit is quite short ay 592mm for a medium size so it looks perfect..but reach is long indeed at 465mm. But if I would choose S size..the cockpit is sooo short at 566mm....
Looks like we have similar taste in bike geo. The small will be too small for you. Stick with the medium if you're getting this bike. 👍
I think this is the frame I'm going to build with 💪🏻
Is there a bit of reverb in the recording voice-over? Did you record it somewhere unusual?
I rushed this whole vid in one evening to get a vid in before our trip. Just recorded it in my office with hard floors. So yes...tons of reverb.
Nice and good luck with it. Good deal for 4 grand with the Factory suspension, thats usually on the top tier bikes double that $$$. Speaking of pedal kickback my 2018 Spectral had that and it was common but with my 2019 Instinct BC i really cant say i ever had it even though i rode much rougher trails on the RM.
I am starting to miss not having a bike now but the Spectral LTD is ALWAYS sold out and new RM top tier is about 8 grand or more and not really sure if i want a 160 travel bike or lighter w less travel. I would hate to spend 7 grand on something as specific as a hardtail though i do miss having a 20 pound bike for moderate riding.
If you want to drop some weight XMC 1200 wheels but they're not cheap
My next bike is probably going to be a Transition Spire. A descent oriented 170mm travel and 63 HA bike that's still light enough to be pedaled around. No more half measures for me. I already have the Meta HT for the local stuff, might as well go all in for everything else.
Cant wait for mine to get here, got the race build with coil!
It's a shredder. You're gonna love it. I'm not even remotely good enough to ride it to its full potential. 😅
Thank you for sharing this, just subscribed :-)
I just recently started mountain biking and upgrading my entry level XC Trek Marlin 6 (size Large) to the Meta TR Essential in size Large. I am 5'10 and I weigh 72kg. I am hoping that this size will work good for me, what do you think?
Frothing to get this new bike, hopefully arrives in a couple months' time. Cheers
Thanks! The medium is pretty big. Should be perfect for you. You might have to push the saddle rearward slightly so it doesn't feel cramped when seated, but once you're stood up on a descent, it's perfect. Many folks that upsized on the 2021 Meta TR or AM regretted it, so stick with the recommendation on their size chart. I think you'll love it. 😁👍
The bike I wanna get. I envy you brother lol. Have fun on it 🤘🏼
Thanks! So stoked to go ride on dirt again. 😁
Sweet looking bike and great review!
commencal have some of the most tidiest welds of all aluminium bikes!
Really good depth.
I just purchased a meta tr frame should be here in July can't wait. Looking at some of your videos it looks like your in the western North Carolina area, how does the tr hold up with the trails out here. I currently ride a meta ht am and freaking love that bike over my yt jeffsy. The jeffsy is getting stripped and moved over to the tr.
We're actually from Michigan, but we like riding Pisgah a lot. This thing rips dude. We've taken it to Bailey and Windrock, and even though it only has 140mm in the rear, it can handle it all due to it's geo. Since it's built like a tank, you don't have to worry about it falling apart on you either.
@@dukeofmtb sweet, I can't wait for the bike little bummed out they only had the polished metal color, that would ship in a reasonable time. Was hoping to get the tan or the dirt color. I'm excited nonetheless.
@@garrett7366 lol. Really? I prefer the look of the polished gray one. The dirt colored one was all that was available in the Signature build when I ordered mine. Grass is always greener on the other side I guess. 😅 Still love it though.
the more i look into this bike the more i like it
It's a great bike. I just love how hassle free it's been too. Really built like a tank.
Hi great vid! One question on sizing: what size would you recommend for someone exactly in between sizes? I have long legs so not sure if the smaller size will work because the short seat tube. On the other hand, a very long reach on ther larger size could also be a problem.
Short seat tube is a plus no matter the size. That way you can use the longest dropper post possible. On this bike, it's best not to upsize. I'd go with the smaller size if you're exactly in between sizes. Otherwise it might be too unwieldy.
Just picked up my Meta Tr Race, with the Rockshox Super Deluxe coil in the rear. What adapter did you use for your water bottle mount? I assume I’ll run into the same issue.
I used a Fidlock magnetic water bottle and I also had to use the Wolftooth B-Rad mounting base adapter to mount it lower in the frame. Hope this helps.
I live in avl - maybe I'll see the DUKE this weekend! 😃
Yeah boi! 🤘 You never know. Bumped into Singletrack Sampler at Kanuga last time. He really is mtb Jesus. 😅 Such a nice dude. 😁
@@dukeofmtb Hahaha nice
Fantastic review. Thank you
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Why do you call this an awful bike for technical climbs?
I own and love ❤️ my 2020 Commencal Meta TR Ride 29". I enjoy both the climbs and the descents!!! I am considering taking it and leaving it with Family overseas/Thailand to share and ride a couple of months a year.
And then for Home/Oregon buying a new 2022 Commencal Meta TR 29". BUT, your review gives me some real pause.
The geometry is more descent focused(long, low, & slack) and it's pretty heavy. You gotta be pretty fit to do technical climbs on a modern enduro. It's doable but it's not the best tool for the job. I feel it's best suited for blue climbs that lead to some gnarly double black descents afterward.
Those odi rogue grips. Best grips on the market.
Love 'em. Nice and thick for big hands, and great to damp the vibration from rough trails.
@@dukeofmtb couldn't agree more. I run them on all my bikes
Dope video! I just pre ordered mine. Hopefully will get it in a few months.
Thanks! You'll love it. Congrats on the new bike. 👍
@@dukeofmtb you did mention to size based on your height. This will be my first full suspension bike so I’m not sure about sizing differences. My current bike is a 2016 medium Specialized fuse. The commencal will have longer reach and wheel base and of course updated geo. I’m 5’3. Do you think it’ll be too much bike for me?
@@kooray83 I'm 5'9 and I have the medium. It's just right for me. I'd get the small if I were you. Definitely don't upsize on this one.
@@dukeofmtb i guess I’m fucked...
@@kooray83 Well, Commencal has been pretty easy to deal with for me. So if it doesn't work out, I'm sure they'll replace it. Who knows, maybe the larger size jives with your riding style more. Good luck. 👍
FWIW Commencal confirmed VIA email that the Flip Chip from the new Meta SX will be backwards compatible with the TR. So more BB drop will be available on the TR with the chip. The currently BB drop is my only complaint with my TR build (well besides the weight). Unfortunately the Chips will not hit their web site as an a la cart part until Q3 2022! And even that is debatable but it gives me some hope for tiny upgrade and customization nexties..
Sweet! Thanks for the tip! I wonder if the chip will allow me to run the bike in mullet?
@@dukeofmtb is the chip compatible with our meta's ? ( I mean 2021 like as yours nad mine )
@mertozcan2362 I believe you'd have to buy the shock yolk for the newer TR to get the flip chip. From what I gathered, the 21 TR is already like the new one with the flip chip set on low anyway. And if you want to do a mullet setup, there's a yoke/link from WRP that makes that work without messing up your geo.
Great b roll and sick bike!!! If only 🤤
Been looking for updates on the 21 since I ordered in January. Going with the Essential and will immediately swap to 4 pot XT brakes and XT shifter. I doubt I'll be pushing limits in any capacity outside of the brakes as a heavy rider not quite ready to push too hard.
Sweet choice! Also great choice of upgrades. So stoked for you. It's a great bike. I finally have it dialed suspension wise. Feels perfect now.
Damn dude- that’s a sweet ride! I got a pair of mt7 racelines recently and I noticed that you have the HC3 levers. Do you feel that they’re worth the extra dough?
Hoping to run into you guys on the trails this season :))
Thanks! For your main bike, absolutely. The tunability is great and the lever feel is firmer with them too. I'd put them on all our bikes if they weren't so expensive. The HC levers are okay, but they feel very flexy in comparison to the hc3 levers. Try ebay or pinkbike buy/sell. You might be able to find them for half the price like I did. Good luck. 😁👍
Hey man, what would you say is the max insertion length on the seattube for a dropper post? I looked online and the total insertion length for the OneUp dropper you have is 297mm.. but it looks like you don't have it quite all the way in. So would you estimate maybe 280-290mm is the furthest a dropper post could be inserted into the frame?
Depends on the actuator. I could probably go further, but I think the cable gets kinked. But yeah, 285, 290ish sounds about right.
Nice video.
So you know if its able to put on 27.5 inch wheels on it?
Williams Racing Products makes a Shock yoke that allows you to run 27.5 in the rear. Mullet.
You referred to heavy a couple of times during vid... What does she weigh??
In it's current state with pedals, water bottle, and everything, she gets pretty close to 40. I'm out of town right now without a scale around, but I'm guessing somewhere between 35 to 37 lbs.
I was wondering if you’ve ever done the descending trails at stony creek they can be acsessed through the highest point at stony I’m asking because I recently found this very steep hike to a point that almost looks like a overlook and there were trailheads that had very long descents I did one of the descents and it lasted about a minute and a half I hiked back up to the point and a man then told me it was the highest point in stony just asking you because they would be very good content
Is it this? instagram.com/p/CFFmnd8BHvp/?igshid=oh3729dkidfn
Or is it the secret line that comes out where the mounds of dirt are? Near the line of trees where folks do weddings and take family photos.
Sweet review
Gotta get my dropper swapped for the 150 I have. Hopefully it works. lol Then maybe I will upgrade to the One UP and get a bit more drop. The 125 on my S Evil is definitely not enough.
You might be able to get away with a 180 even. OneUp droppers have a super short insertion length. 😁👍
Blue mountain closed for good man :( Sucks because i just moved to ontario last year right when it closed due to COVID. No big deal, i'll just ride this year right? Nope!
Ikr? Makes me sad. I was so excited to ride it again to see if we progressed, but nope...😭
There some other ontario options
Lets drive to quebec this summer. Im in toronto but from montreal
@@xJuiCYxxJaYx i hoping to in August.
@@nostr8ghtlinzs596 carpool time? im down to be our french speaking guide
Sick bike mate
Nag laeng pinang set up mo sir👍👍
Agyamanak. 😊
Frame looks so good!
That was one reason I got it. Those clean straight lines. 😁 I dislike 'wavy' bikes.
I’ve been debating between this bike or the Remedy 8.. what are your thoughts ?
They're both good bikes. Hard to choose. One is a 27.5, the other is a 29er. It also depends on the type of riding you like and what you're looking for in a bike. I like the TR because I care more about descending. The slacker HA helps with the steep stuff. Having a very durable bike(albeit heavy bike) is great too.
Very nice bike !
Thanks! I love it. 😍
thats a pretty sweet bike Ed
Thanks, Grant! 😊
I’m still riding my 2016 meta tr
I bet it's still a blast. 😁👍
April delivery for me🥰
Nice! Almost there. Congrats! 👍
Me too
But with the AM
me too. size xl & one up 210 dropper
Hi! I would like to know where to buy the Fidlock water bottle adapter so it won't hit my shock's piggy back?? thanks in advance! salamat!
Here's an Amazon affiliate link for you: amzn.to/3lNPXhI I got the medium for my TR. I didn't need to use the plastic washers. Long bolts go through the long holes into the frame. You might need to use the original Fidlock bolts to bolt on the Fidlock mount. If the Wolftooth bolt heads are too thick, they might not allow the bottle to sit flush in the magnetic mount. Although I think the Wolftooth bolts worked fine on my bike. I used different bolts on Cory's hardtail and couldn't figure out why the bottle kept falling out at first. 😅
@@dukeofmtb thank you!
Yoo I saw you guys at kanuga and DuPont today
Small world, eh? 😅
"I paid a little over $4K for this bike." How? MSRP is like $5300. Did you buy it used or maybe got a super-buddy deal?
I ordered mine last summer before prices went up. I've had the bike for almost a year now. MSRP was $4799 at the time.
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Would you say you can Race this Bike or would you rather use the META AM 29 for Racing ?
Both are good to race, although the AM is going to handle 'boulder gardens' better with its extra travel.
@@dukeofmtb okay! Im looking for a new Race Bike and I have legit no clue for wich one I should go. Here in EU theres no Meta AM available. Just the TR Versions.
@@maniacmike8613 What about the SX? It's basically a mixed wheeled AM. If you're primarily descending, the longer travel bike is still probably your best choice. Although the TR has great geo, there are times I wish I had more travel in the rear. Mostly when I'm at the bike park.
Yo, so Magura told me I could NOT use adapters with those rotors and you are??! Any issues? I went with TRP Rotors with no adapters for my Naguras since I also have DT Swiss Center lock.
I had no issues, but I used the DT Swiss adapters, not Magura ones. The magura centerlock adaptors will eventually wear into the aluminum slots they fit into and then fail. The DT Swiss adaptors slot into the 6 bolt holes instead, so it should be fine. The Storm HC rotors have a centerlock equivalent now though. Try looking for MDR-C centerlock rotors.
@@dukeofmtb ok. Right on. It's the MDR-P I would want to use with adapters. I like my TRP 2 piece better than the storms or MDR-C.
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what color name of your frame?
coz i'm planning to get 1 and build the same all SPECS like your bike xD
The color name is "Dirt." Send me pics on Instagram when you're done with your build. 👍
@@dukeofmtb for sure
aight ty man i'll appreciate it 👍👍
@@dukeofmtb honestly i'm gonna build mine from scratch
so all the parts are second hand xD
and the frame is on the way right now for dropping off xD
Sweet!
how would we know if we like the video early? we havent seen it yet.
Lol. That's just a suggestion for the long time viewers that want to support the channel and help it grow. Likes and comments during the first minute of a vid help a ton with the TH-cam algorithm. A channel can die pretty quick without that stuff.
@@dukeofmtb ok i liked it
@@SUPERFUDSTER Thanks. 😊 Didn't mean to over explain. That's just my OCD kicking in. 😅
Can your dropper fit all the way into the seat tube and do you think a 210 would fit on a size small meta tr.
Not all the way, there's an inch left under the droppers collar. But it's perfect for my inseam. I'm able to use the whole 210 of dropper travel. It'll probably be too long for a small though. Go with the 180mm dropper.
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That she is. Jumps amazingly well for a relatively heavy bike too.
Great video, thanks for the review. Feel much more confident in my order even considering your negative points, appreciate it!!
Thanks. Yeah, I figured it's best to be completely honest and not pretend everything is 100% perfect. I still love the bike. It's so capable. Those things are hardly an inconvenience really. I've already tested the bigger chainring and cranks at Pisgah and they've definitely made a difference. Only downside being no granny gear. 😅
was lookin' at one of these, but I think I don't want to ride fast enough to let this bike do it's thing - I like a little more donkey of a bike. good notice
Your feeling in the pedals is probably pedal kickback from chain-growth
For sure, but it's super noticeable on the TR. The larger chainring and shorter cranks should minimize it. On my way to Pisgah, so I'll be able to test it out soon. 😁👍
That big oval chain ring can probably making it worse depending on where it’s at in the stroke.
@@brassmnky33 Sure. But most of the time I'll have my pedals level. The difference should be negligible either way. Tooth count has an overall larger effect. So a 34t oval is still going to have less kickback than a round 32t. 🙂👍
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how is this bike different from the 2020 Meta TR? Looks like they just made the top tube and seat tube connect with straight piece instead of curved one they use to have.
Here you go:
• 10 more mm travel front and rear.
2020 TR came with a 140mm or 150mm fork with 130mm travel in the rear.
2021 TR is 150 or 160 front, 140 rear. Mine is the 160/140 build.
• The 2021 TR has 64° head angle(160mm fork), a steeper seat tube, and longer reach.
• The 2020 TR comes stock at a 66.5° HA (66 if you upfork to 150), etc.
• Suspension kinematics have changed. Higher anti squat for better pedaling efficiency and lower leverage ratio so that heavy riders don't exceed the PSI limits of the shock. The progression curve is also less steep.
• The 2020 Meta TR is a "heavy duty" trail bike with dated geo. A modern "light duty" trail bike like the Trek Top Fuel has more aggressive numbers than this but without all the weight. The 2021 TR is basically an enduro bike even though it's labeled as "trail." You can easily take it to the bike park without worrying about breaking anything. Although the 2020 is just as robust, steeper and chunkier trails are going to be be a bit more challenging than they need to be. I wouldn't take it to Windrock in Tennessee for example. Could it be done? Sure, but this is where the 2021 version will feel significantly better than the 2020. If you ride undulating hills all day stick with the 2020. If you do very long descents, 2021+ for the win.
@@dukeofmtb that was the best answer to a question about a bike I have ever had on youtube. You just got a new sub. Thanks for the detailed answer.
Thanks! I'm glad you feel that way. I was concerned my response was too "nerdy". 😅 The majority of the rest of our vids are more about our adventures on the trails though. I might do more review or tech vids in the future. Your comment has inspired me to try more stuff like that. Thanks for subbing too. I hope the rest of our content is engaging enough that you stick around. 😊
@@dukeofmtb crazy how the 2021 climbs better with longer reach and more travel than the 2020.
@@Dempsey222 The combination of the slack HA, longer reach, and steeper seat tube, means you are sitting more forward on the bike and the front wheel doesn't tend to rise up and wander about like on shorter, steeper bikes in which you're practically seated over the rear tire. So you don't have to lean forward to put weight on the front. You can just kinda casually sit there and spin.
A seat tube around 78° also puts you in a more comfortable pedaling position when going uphill. Less strain on the lower back and knees. On my 2017 Remedy, it felt like I had to do pullups on my handlebars while having to pedal with my legs in front of me as opposed to under me.
In short, better weight distribution and a more comfortable body position make it easier to grind uphill with less effort and strain.
It's only when you do more technical, trials types of things that a shorter and steeper head angled bike might have an advantage, but I'm no Danny 'Mac' anyway. 😅
Commencal TR OR Norco Sight 🤔
oooh, that's a tricky one. TR if you want a better spec for the money, stronger bike, more descent oriented(more stable downhill). Sight, if you want a more lively, poppy, bike, but with a slightly lower spec per dollar. Both are good, very similar geo and travel. TR is a little longer though.
@@dukeofmtb I’m currently on a 2020 rememdy large but I want to ride a tr to see if I like them.
@@barrakingbeatz7794 I came from a Remedy. The TR is definitely a bit more capable. It's mostly in the geo.
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Whats the frame color?
The call the color on this one 'Dirt - Shiny Finish'
@@dukeofmtb Thank you bro it’s hard to see difference between sand and dirt in pictures thank you!
@@dbmscreen no prob. 👍
How tall are you ?
👉 5'9"
● Side note; with my 32" inseam I've been using a 210mm OneUp dropper on this medium frame. One of the reasons why I'll probably never own a Santa Cruz. I like my saddle really out of the way on the descents. 😁👍
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Hey man. Check your email. :)
Super curious what it is. Although, I didn't get anything. 😅
Maybe had a typo in the email address?
@@dukeofmtb How about now?
@@mtb_alan I read you loud and clear. I didn't get the first one though.
nice to have unlimited money eh.... lol
Lol. Nah, just different priorities. 😉