To see more scandalous profiles from people of this era, watch the Historical Figures & Their Dirty Deeds playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLJTOm-WxzySkDLcVAXR3Vjv23HOgH7lHY.html To see the John Jacob Astor IV & Madeleine Astor video that I mentioned at the end of this one, click here: th-cam.com/video/uF89xKNWbow/w-d-xo.html To see the video about Madeleine Astor's 3rd marriage to the Italian boxer, click here: th-cam.com/video/ODY-qiEn3ak/w-d-xo.html To see the video about Madam CJ Walker's daughter that I mentioned at the end of this video, click here: th-cam.com/video/uq932wgURnc/w-d-xo.html
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. You’re a terrific researcher and presenter. And I love how you insert your own sense of humour in your comments. Well done !
MAYBE keep your nasty commentaries for your own People's 'civilised' histories.......you clearly view MY People's civilising histories as.....PREY for ignorant spite
Even as a toddler he looks hurt. How someone can pass their child to a tutor who defames the family, or a nurse that 'sets him against them', is another sign of neglect.
Less than a year before Vincent Astor's widow, Brooke, passed, I read an article about her that indicated she was living under some pretty horrible circumstances, and she was living day to day in the same worn-out bed clothes. I found this to be shocking, considering that she was one of the last vestiges of old New York society. I immediately sent a letter to her home offering to send Mrs. Astor a few new bed clothes if someone would respond with her size. I did receive a reply on Brooke Astor's letterhead thanking me for the offer, but things would be taken care of for her. This would have been the same time that Brooke Astor's son, Tony Marshall, was found to have been mishandling his mother's financial affairs (I believe they considered it be elder abuse). That's a whole 'nother interesting story you might want to get into, Ti. It's pretty scandalous.
Spoken like a true sexist. Stress hormones can cause neurological changes in even adults. The child was experiencing the stress hormones of a woman in utter dispair at the prospect of being a teen age mother who just lost her husband on a honeymoon during a near death experience. It would have been hard enough for someone who wasn't a teenager, someone who wasn't pregnant, someone who had just lost her husband to survive until rescue boats arived. Much less being a pregnant teenager who just lost her husband in a near death experience in a time when not having a husband would have meant almost certain destitution. The chemicals on that babies developing brain absolutely affected his neurological development. I'm not saying he wasn't at least a little spoiled. Being as he survived the ordeal and was her miracle baby and the only connection she had to her now dead husband who died a valiant death. I am saying his neurological development in the third trimester is extremely important as that is when the brain obtains many functions.
Very interesting. As someone who is obsessed with the titanic, I have never researched the titanic baby . And jj Astor really release the dogs? That makes me respect him so much more and letting ladies take his spot on a lifeboat 😢
@@YahLotus Actually, Madeliene herself stated that she saw the dogs loose on deck from her position on the lifeboat and surmised that her husband had released them. I would like to think that he did do that as at least one dog was his.
Who would have known that me being a huge Titanic geek since I was a child would land me at hot mess history. Blown Away. By the presentation, the humor, the intelligence of the narrator, and the validity of the information being presented. As of now I am subscribed and hooked. As I am watching this on Christmas Day, what a great Christmas gift! Well done hot mess history! Do you have a subscriber for life. PS I love it how the narrator explains how awesome it was way before having to walk on eggshells as we do today with political correctness always at the tips of our tongue
Thank you for your very kind words, Andrew. I love researching these Titanic passengers, so I'll make a lot more of these videos for you all in 2024. I'm SO glad that you saw this as a Christmas gift because that was truly my intention. Down with political correctness! Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here.
I’ve been watching history on TH-cam for years, how am I just now finding you? You’ve got a great voice for narration. You also keep mentioning things that I then look up, love that, thank you!
Poor kid suffered tremendous trauma in-utero, likely birth trauma due to his size, as well as childhood. The way he's described here sounds like he was autistic, or at least suffered from NVLD... non-verbal learning disability.
I always felt that Madeline was a bit of a gold digger, with a mother who didn’t hesitate to push her daughter into society! And she loaned her 4 year old son money? Really? … I think I’ll send my two month old granddaughter a bill for the crib that I bought her prior to her birth! 🙄
I think you are right. Her mother made sure they “met” JJ Astor. Her original plan was for Madeline’s older sister to get with him. And her sister was only a year or two older than her (so both girls very young for him). Their mom had a plan. It just happened that he and Madeline hit it off. These girls were raised just like Jackie Kennedy and her sister, to marry very well. And their mothers knew exactly what they were doing and taught their daughters well in that skill.
nobody did in thosse days while in a portrait .. not until mr tuttle the photographer for every school in texas as i was growing up came along.. he made you smile as we waited for his name he gave you before picture was taken.. gave a seat look sweet tootsie or grab a chair longhair, hop on thesaddle cowboy.. my grandparents didnt smile either.. im 68 now..
No one did in the early days of photography. People wanted to look serious, and taking photographs was not a quick process so a smile would look fixed. For poorer people it was an investment, a very special occasion.
@@evelynwilson1566 You say that when there are photos in this video of smiling people? And by the 1930s there were snapshots and color movies! Certainly even if you don't smile you don't have to look like someone shot your dog! The eyes say a lot. The early days of photography were in the mid 1800s not the Titanic era.
Narcissists don't do "happy". They do smug smirk of schadenfreude, arrogant contempt, envy, antagonism, spiteful vitriol, smear campaign lying, more lying, playing the victim, creating drama, etc. But "contentment", "gratitude", empathy, peace, "kindness", "joy", "happiness", "love" -- real love, not meaningless words or manipulation, or virtue-signalling, or fake love for facade management --- they are not capable of these.
This was fascinating! You do these so well! It's your interpretation that has me coming back. The history is great, but it's your narration that makes it exceptional. Thanks Ti. People will never forget the Titanic. The story is captivating. It has everything a story needs to live forever. I have no problem remembering the history of it all, the ship, the people, how the class system doomed 3rd class passengers, the hubris of man... What I have a problem with is the continuing desecration of its grave. That's the area of this bit of history that needs to be respected and left to rest in peace.
Hi Sarah! Thank you so much for your kind words. I totally agree with your thoughts on Titanic. You're right. It has everything that a story needs to live forever. I also agree that the ship needs to be left alone. It should be respected like a gravesite.
I'm going to give some food for thought after watching this video. I'm in no way defending Astor VI because as adults we're all responsible for our behavior, but we're not born adults. I'm willing to bet that from his birth until at least his teen yrs., he was told, reminded, and had his opinions formed by his mother and nanny about how his half brother got the bulk of their father's estate and he was given a small fraction. And the media was always there to rub it in his face that he was an afterthought when it came to his father. I suspect his father left him a smaller inheritance because he didn't know if it would be a boy or a girl. And girls then were considered less important and not heirs to the family fortune. I mean Astor IV left his own daughter only $10M compared to the bulk he left his first born SON. I'll go further to bet that it formed Astor VI's self opinion and self esteem. The video speaks of his snobbery and poor social skills. Again, this is instilled as a child. One is not born that way. I'd bet he was raised to feel special, entitled, privileged and therefore deserving of so much more than he got from daddy, a man he never knew. Therefore, it's the perfect example of brainwashing of a child's mind who went on to believe what was instilled in him. And so, he didn't excel in life because he was consumed by resentment, expectation and jealousy which steered him all through adulthood. He even attempted to get more money by suing his brother's wife because he was obsessed with his inheritance that he was told was inadequate his whole life. And this is what happens when we raise our children to think a specific way. I just wonder how he would have turned out if his father had lived to raise him.
I've just compared him to Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in their schooldays. Their family backgrounds have similar either absentee or highly critical Father (both in Boris's case), all three had some cause to feel overshadowed or not as valued as siblings, all three knew they could fail because they'd never be allowed to fall. As you say, we're not born nasty people.
That's how inheritances had always been handled in England, and much of the rest of the world, for millenia. Family wealth can only be retained by not dividing it every generation. The eldest son always inherited the bulk, and all other children only provided enough for their own lifetimes, not their descendants. It makes sense. "Jakey" sounds more like he was autistic and socially clueless, rather than simply spoiled rotten.
It also seems like his brother, who sounds like a good man, never made himself available to Jakey. Instead of being a roll model and spending time with Jakey, he ignored him. Would Jakey have turned out differently with the love of a brother?
I really enjoyed your presentation on Jackie & Vincent Aster. I watched a documentary which spoke unkindly of Vincent. I had no idea Vincent Astor was such a humble caring giving man. His father would be so Proud. Thank you for enlightening me❤️🇨🇦
Most people don't like to think about it but children of the rich are often subjected to a form of abuse that comes with wealth and power. How many are either spoiled rotten, have no idea of humility, shunted off to be cared for by people hired to care for them and love them, and not allowed to complain about the lack of love in their lives because no one who has money is allowed any sympathy for lacking anything. This kid was defined purely by his money. But when he accepted that identity they dump on him. Let's face it, everyone hates rich kids while envying their wealth and the power it gives them. That's a hard load for any kid to carry.
I love the fact that you dont use an AI voiceover for your documentaries like 99.8% of youtube channels do presently, which I find a total turn-off and I immediately skip the vid. Plus --- I love the way you tell a story, so I SUBBED! 😘 👑
Hi Gabriela! Thank you for watching. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. The Astors are on my long list of topics. I will talk more about the other family members later this year.
I really enjoy this video. I often wondered what happened to many of the passengers that survived the titanic. I'm so happy you've given us some insight on the lives of the survivors
Thank you for your compliment. Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here. I am working on another historical hot mess to have ready for you on New Year's Day.
I never knew that Astor gave his spot to a woman and helped save people. Btw, they do say the Astor's are one of the 13 families who are oligarchs. I like your chanel!
Hi Charlotte! Thank you for your kind words. I have a content calendar for this year that will allow me to tell many different kinds of stories. I'm really looking forward to getting them out to people like you who will appreciate them.
Hi Jc! I truly thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I'm so glad that you found something here that you like. I'm working on a new Titanic story for you now. I will release it in early September. Much love from Texas!
Thanks for the laughs, for sharing the memory. And remember, you did another Titanic spinoff, the one about that actress. We can't forget the Titanic, for the lessons we hopefully learn from it.
Thank you so watching, QuickChris. I have many more Titanic stories to tell. You're right. More than anything, we need to learn lesson from Titanic and do better as humans.
This guy grew up spoiled rotten and that's exactly what he thought...$$.He grew up with hatred (most likely from his mother talking about being disinherited)so he grew up w/hatred n thinking only about $$. He never worked,was bitter yet thought he was better than all in his social circle.. the guy NEVER KNEW HIS FATHER yet he thinks he is entitled to a major part of his fortune! He wasted more energy thru hatred and being nothing more than a snob!
This just shows how important a father, who sets a good example, is for the upbringing of a boy. It's also important for girls to see a good example so they know the difference between a good man and a bad man. Jakey lacked the love and guidance of his incredibly wealthy and famous Father, which created a lost soul.
A good father, some are great husbands but horrible father's. If a father is going to be in his children's life, he has to be a good one, because some has trash ass father's.
Excellent story telling. I’m a new subscriber. Jake was a product of his environment. You learn love and empathy from the people around you, especially your mom. Another example of having everything you want, but not what you really need.
Brilliant video Ti, really makes some excellent observations about this guy… It must’ve sucked so much to be him! Proof here that money can’t buy happiness. Really good, astute, witty narration as usual! 👌
Thank you True Crazy Lion! And thank you for coming to the premiere. I wish that I could have been in the chat with you all, but I got to see your last comment. Glad that you had some fun!
I love history and I didn't know anything about "Jakey". Everything that you have said about his behavior makes me believe that he was autistic. This is a very sad story.
@@patricksmith2274 My comment only spoke to my observation that John Jacob Astor VI might have been autistic. Rich or poor I am sad that in his life, no one knew how to care or deal with his illness. I am thankful that today there are many people being helped thru the study of autisim.
Thank you so much, LailahLynn! I had to kinda start all over and start a new thing. But I always think of the foundation that you taught me. Learning about evergreen content from you was GOLD!
Thank YOU for watching! I'm working on a story that's similar to this one. It will be ready for you on Monday. It's not about an Astor, but someone who ran in Jakey's social circle. I'm SO glad that you like these. Thank you for letting me know.
Great video research and presentation. And, I am prepared to tell anyone who will listen about this episode's intro "Previously on Ti's Hot Mess History..." Fantastic!
I feel really sad for him, I think he's attitude was the direct result of how his mom raised him. She made him the family name, money and what she believed was hia value. He like most kids believes it too😢
I feel bad for him. Of course he’s responsible for his behavior and choices as an adult, but everyone failed him as a child. I feel terrible for the baby and then child who was raised to believe by everyone who should’ve cared for him that he was only worth however much money he had.
I loved your presentation. It’s entertaining, humorous AND informative. Thanks for covering this story and sharing this spoiled brat’s exploits. The only saving grace is that he didn’t go into politics!
Wow, this was genuinely interesting and I loved your commentary. I've been on a Titanic kick lately and stumbled on your video while watching Tasting History with Max Miller. I'm glad I did. I'll definitely be checking out the previous videos. Looking through your videos, I can see a lot on people and subjects I'm not familiar with so I can't wait to watch them 😊
I love your presentation. I have been fascinated with the Gilded Age (Not the TV series) for decades. Thank you for your excellent research and sense of humor.
Ti 🥰🥰🥰, great as usual 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿. What a wonderful story to bring in the New Year. Thank you for your dedication to detail, what a work ethic that has to take.
Thank you so much, Darnell! I don't know how I missed your comment on this one. Thank you for appreciating my work. I worked all day on Christmas to get this one out. I'm going to work on tightening up my workflow for 2024. Happy New Year! I'll call you soon!
I actually feel completely so sorry for him he was neglected n no one thought to check on him nor like a person like a container of spices left in the cupboard
Right-your governess wouldn’t have the chance to turn him against you mom if you actually spent time with him and didn’t think of caring for him as “loaning him your own money”
Wah-wah. Poor little rich boy. A lot of us were subjected to bad parenting but went on to live full and productive lives. No pity for a manbaby who had the opportunity to make good choices but didn't, because he was a weakling.
@@sp8813 The Astors were all playboys. Astor the 6th viewed Madeline as his Trophy Bride, he thought it would make him look dignified if he bagged a Wife Half his age. Trouble being, Madeline's Age gap was EXACTLY the same as Grover Cleavland's and Frances.(*Eww*)
You give such a presentation on different topics and information you make it easy to understand keep it going the guided age makes it fun to enjoy thank you
Hi Sammyantha! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try! I'm working on your next video. It's a lot like this one, but it's about a woman. It will be ready on the 15th. After that, I should have new videos ready for you every Monday.
@@TisHotMessHistory I look forward to it. I’m going to watch your other videos as well. I really enjoy learning. I love that you cited your sources as well. I’m really enthused.
Brother Vincent was set up by Jakie's mother and other people encouraging Jakie to have this lingering anger - clearly Jakie could have used a good therapist to help him sort this out. Actually Vincent had helped hIs jealous little brother a lot by growing his trust funds for him. Forgiveness, gratitude and an attitude to help those less fortunate would have gone a long way in healing his bitter life.
Great doc. I got distracted by one of the newspaper ads for the Anti-Substitution League though. I guess grocers substituting one item for another was rampant at the time.
😅 Wow, you really outdid yourself on this one, Ma'am! It's up there amongst my favorites on your channel ... enjoyed it immensely... well done! It also reminds me of some other icky nasty child in today's daily news who had some similarities in childhood with everything being handed to them and ruined it. Love love love this channel, can't wait to see what's coming next.... Happy New Year and continued success to you! 📺 😎🎉🍾🥂
You have such a great way of telling the stories of historical people! My fiancé and I completely binged listened to your series about the Astor family and as a treat played your video about Cab Calloway (I really respected how he took care of his dancers at the Cotton Club). I look forward to more! Keep up the great work!
Hi Nate! Thank you for your kind words about my work. I truly appreciate you and your fiance for binge watching some of my content. I'm with you on Cab Calloway. I have nothing but respect for him. I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After that, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you. Thank you for giving my channel a try!
Hi Thresa! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I'm so glad that you are enjoying the content. I truly appreciate you for binge watching. That means a lot to me. Thank you so much for subscribing. I hope that you continue to like it here.
I just found your wonderful channel I love hearing about the events and families of the 1920s and 30s eras I’ve decided that if I ever do get to remarry I want my wedding to be 1920s style I’m 63 and still looking in Texas
How does one value their life or themselves when they never felt valued as a child? Our identities are deeply rooted in the messages and beliefs we are imprinted with in childhood.
Yeah free them puppies:D 👏 ❤ thank you for freeing them that shows that their was love once in this world he didn't have to save them but he was a brave man and saved them before himself I'd say that's a true captain
I’m new to ur channel and I LOVE IT!!! You’re so down to earth. You’re witty and charming and respectful. I love how, at the end, you acknowledge your resources. Also, I just love your slight innuendos and sense of humour. Definitely going to recommend your channel. I’m now off to cook and listen/ watch ALL your videos. All the best and thank you for your awesomeness 😊❤
Wow! Thank you for giving my channel a try and thank you for your very kind words. I just started making my videos in this style last month. It takes me a longer than what I used to do, but this is what I love and this is what I'm sticking with. You'll probably find me to be a bit more crude in older videos, to be honest. LOL! But I love the more historical route that the channel has taken. The next video will be in this style and it's about a Titanic passenger. I thought that I would have it ready for this Monday, but I came across something in the research process that I have to add, so it's taking me a longer time. Anyway, enjoy your cooking! And thank you for recommending my channel. That means a lot to me. Have a great day!
Started this Titanic cruise with the Gibson lifeboat # 7 mess, connected on Astor and the pugalist, now boarding the tugboat Jakey. Really should be sleeping, but your storytelling is fabulous!
@tisHotMessHistory I have followed you since the early days and just wanted to comment what a great job you are doing. I love witnessing your growth as a story teller and editor. Be blessed and keep the great content coming!
To see more scandalous profiles from people of this era, watch the Historical Figures & Their Dirty Deeds playlist:
th-cam.com/play/PLJTOm-WxzySkDLcVAXR3Vjv23HOgH7lHY.html
To see the John Jacob Astor IV & Madeleine Astor video that I mentioned at the end of this one, click here: th-cam.com/video/uF89xKNWbow/w-d-xo.html
To see the video about Madeleine Astor's 3rd marriage to the Italian boxer, click here: th-cam.com/video/ODY-qiEn3ak/w-d-xo.html
To see the video about Madam CJ Walker's daughter that I mentioned at the end of this video, click here: th-cam.com/video/uq932wgURnc/w-d-xo.html
Yes I do too the political correctness tends to promotes ignorance which honey child iz prejudice..
Thank you ...😊
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. You’re a terrific researcher and presenter. And I love how you insert your own sense of humour in your comments. Well done !
I have enjoyed this and your honesty and accuracy throughout.
Impressed, because we ALL want the truth…don’t we?
MAYBE keep your nasty commentaries for your own People's 'civilised' histories.......you clearly view MY People's civilising histories as.....PREY for ignorant spite
Even as a toddler he looks hurt.
How someone can pass their child to a tutor who defames the family,
or a nurse that 'sets him against them', is another sign of neglect.
He never looked happy. That tutor was the worst kind of person.
Less than a year before Vincent Astor's widow, Brooke, passed, I read an article about her that indicated she was living under some pretty horrible circumstances, and she was living day to day in the same worn-out bed clothes. I found this to be shocking, considering that she was one of the last vestiges of old New York society. I immediately sent a letter to her home offering to send Mrs. Astor a few new bed clothes if someone would respond with her size. I did receive a reply on Brooke Astor's letterhead thanking me for the offer, but things would be taken care of for her. This would have been the same time that Brooke Astor's son, Tony Marshall, was found to have been mishandling his mother's financial affairs (I believe they considered it be elder abuse). That's a whole 'nother interesting story you might want to get into, Ti. It's pretty scandalous.
Your offer of bed clothes was extremely kind and generous. Thank you for sharing your story and for your lovely gesture.
Good on you for trying
I recall reading about her circumstances, as well. That was Astor $$ and I felt he should have never been able to touch it.
I'm gonna blame parenting. He was an adorable & healthy baby. Let's call this nurture vs nature
- The problem is, a lot of men only pretend to be stable before marrying.
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Spoken like a true sexist.
Stress hormones can cause neurological changes in even adults.
The child was experiencing the stress hormones of a woman in utter dispair at the prospect of being a teen age mother who just lost her husband on a honeymoon during a near death experience. It would have been hard enough for someone who wasn't a teenager, someone who wasn't pregnant, someone who had just lost her husband to survive until rescue boats arived. Much less being a pregnant teenager who just lost her husband in a near death experience in a time when not having a husband would have meant almost certain destitution.
The chemicals on that babies developing brain absolutely affected his neurological development.
I'm not saying he wasn't at least a little spoiled. Being as he survived the ordeal and was her miracle baby and the only connection she had to her now dead husband who died a valiant death.
I am saying his neurological development in the third trimester is extremely important as that is when the brain obtains many functions.
True
Me too
Very interesting. As someone who is obsessed with the titanic, I have never researched the titanic baby . And jj Astor really release the dogs? That makes me respect him so much more and letting ladies take his spot on a lifeboat 😢
Same 🐾💜
@@YahLotus Actually, Madeliene herself stated that she saw the dogs loose on deck from her position on the lifeboat and surmised that her husband had released them. I would like to think that he did do that as at least one dog was his.
His dad is a hero for releasing the hounds on the Titanic
I'm sure none survived anyway 😕
Just like Mr. Burns lmao
I'd loved to rescue them. It might be difficult if they fought, though!
🙄
The animals probably died, but at least he tried.
Who would have known that me being a huge Titanic geek since I was a child would land me at hot mess history. Blown Away. By the presentation, the humor, the intelligence of the narrator, and the validity of the information being presented. As of now I am subscribed and hooked. As I am watching this on Christmas Day, what a great Christmas gift! Well done hot mess history! Do you have a subscriber for life. PS I love it how the narrator explains how awesome it was way before having to walk on eggshells as we do today with political correctness always at the tips of our tongue
Me too I don't knw why I'm so obesst with tatanic...I can't believe I found this but if it say tatanic I'm clicking on it
@@mavisgriffithd7704that makes a me 3. LOL😅
Titanic is how it's spelled@@mavisgriffithd7704
Thank you for your very kind words, Andrew. I love researching these Titanic passengers, so I'll make a lot more of these videos for you all in 2024. I'm SO glad that you saw this as a Christmas gift because that was truly my intention. Down with political correctness! Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here.
@@mavisgriffithd7704 thank you so much for watching!
Phewww the gossip column during the gilded age makes Wendy Williams look like an angel. They are brutal.
Right!?!?!?! We went from preoccupation with the wealthy elite "old money" to celebrity culture today. There is nothing new under the sun!!!
Brutal and very invasive..But some of the elite had publicist in order to keep them writing about them..
😆😆😆 u ain't never lied
I’ve been watching history on TH-cam for years, how am I just now finding you? You’ve got a great voice for narration. You also keep mentioning things that I then look up, love that, thank you!
Poor kid suffered tremendous trauma in-utero, likely birth trauma due to his size, as well as childhood. The way he's described here sounds like he was autistic, or at least suffered from NVLD... non-verbal learning disability.
I always felt that Madeline was a bit of a gold digger, with a mother who didn’t hesitate to push her daughter into society!
And she loaned her 4 year old son money? Really? … I think I’ll send my two month old granddaughter a bill for the crib that I bought her prior to her birth! 🙄
I think you are right. Her mother made sure they “met” JJ Astor. Her original plan was for Madeline’s older sister to get with him. And her sister was only a year or two older than her (so both girls very young for him). Their mom had a plan. It just happened that he and Madeline hit it off. These girls were raised just like Jackie Kennedy and her sister, to marry very well. And their mothers knew exactly what they were doing and taught their daughters well in that skill.
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And i want my money back, that i spent to go to Italy for my grandsons birth.
JJ Astor was a very handsome man (well I think so).
@@CanadianMonarchist I agree wholeheartedly!
That man never smiled! Every picture showed that!
I noticed that too. So sad.
nobody did in thosse days while in a portrait .. not until mr tuttle the photographer for every school in texas as i was growing up came along.. he made you smile as we waited for his name he gave you before picture was taken.. gave a seat look sweet tootsie or grab a chair longhair, hop on thesaddle cowboy.. my grandparents didnt smile either.. im 68 now..
No one did in the early days of photography. People wanted to look serious, and taking photographs was not a quick process so a smile would look fixed. For poorer people it was an investment, a very special occasion.
@@evelynwilson1566 You say that when there are photos in this video of smiling people? And by the 1930s there were snapshots and color movies! Certainly even if you don't smile you don't have to look like someone shot your dog! The eyes say a lot. The early days of photography were in the mid 1800s not the Titanic era.
Narcissists don't do "happy".
They do smug smirk of schadenfreude, arrogant contempt, envy, antagonism, spiteful vitriol, smear campaign lying, more lying, playing the victim, creating drama, etc.
But "contentment", "gratitude", empathy, peace, "kindness", "joy", "happiness", "love" -- real love, not meaningless words or manipulation, or virtue-signalling, or fake love for facade management --- they are not capable of these.
This was fascinating! You do these so well! It's your interpretation that has me coming back. The history is great, but it's your narration that makes it exceptional. Thanks Ti.
People will never forget the Titanic. The story is captivating. It has everything a story needs to live forever. I have no problem remembering the history of it all, the ship, the people, how the class system doomed 3rd class passengers, the hubris of man... What I have a problem with is the continuing desecration of its grave. That's the area of this bit of history that needs to be respected and left to rest in peace.
Hi Sarah! Thank you so much for your kind words. I totally agree with your thoughts on Titanic. You're right. It has everything that a story needs to live forever. I also agree that the ship needs to be left alone. It should be respected like a gravesite.
I agree it is a grave sight 😢 need to be respected and Not desecrated 🙏
I'm going to give some food for thought after watching this video. I'm in no way defending Astor VI because as adults we're all responsible for our behavior, but we're not born adults. I'm willing to bet that from his birth until at least his teen yrs., he was told, reminded, and had his opinions formed by his mother and nanny about how his half brother got the bulk of their father's estate and he was given a small fraction.
And the media was always there to rub it in his face that he was an afterthought when it came to his father. I suspect his father left him a smaller inheritance because he didn't know if it would be a boy or a girl. And girls then were considered less important and not heirs to the family fortune. I mean Astor IV left his own daughter only $10M compared to the bulk he left his first born SON. I'll go further to bet that it formed Astor VI's self opinion and self esteem. The video speaks of his snobbery and poor social skills. Again, this is instilled as a child. One is not born that way.
I'd bet he was raised to feel special, entitled, privileged and therefore deserving of so much more than he got from daddy, a man he never knew. Therefore, it's the perfect example of brainwashing of a child's mind who went on to believe what was instilled in him. And so, he didn't excel in life because he was consumed by resentment, expectation and jealousy which steered him all through adulthood. He even attempted to get more money by suing his brother's wife because he was obsessed with his inheritance that he was told was inadequate his whole life. And this is what happens when we raise our children to think a specific way. I just wonder how he would have turned out if his father had lived to raise him.
According to an inflation calculator, $3 million in 1912 is roughly $97,456,000 in today's dollars. Not too Shabby 😊
I've just compared him to Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in their schooldays. Their family backgrounds have similar either absentee or highly critical Father (both in Boris's case), all three had some cause to feel overshadowed or not as valued as siblings, all three knew they could fail because they'd never be allowed to fall. As you say, we're not born nasty people.
That's how inheritances had always been handled in England, and much of the rest of the world, for millenia. Family wealth can only be retained by not dividing it every generation. The eldest son always inherited the bulk, and all other children only provided enough for their own lifetimes, not their descendants. It makes sense. "Jakey" sounds more like he was autistic and socially clueless, rather than simply spoiled rotten.
Compared to the 10 million his sister got and the 70 million his brother got, 3 million was almost an insult. Everything is relative.
It also seems like his brother, who sounds like a good man, never made himself available to Jakey. Instead of being a roll model and spending time with Jakey, he ignored him. Would Jakey have turned out differently with the love of a brother?
I really enjoyed your presentation on Jackie & Vincent Aster. I watched a documentary which spoke unkindly of Vincent. I had no idea Vincent Astor was such a humble caring giving man. His father would be so Proud. Thank you for enlightening me❤️🇨🇦
Most people don't like to think about it but children of the rich are often subjected to a form of abuse that comes with wealth and power. How many are either spoiled rotten, have no idea of humility, shunted off to be cared for by people hired to care for them and love them, and not allowed to complain about the lack of love in their lives because no one who has money is allowed any sympathy for lacking anything. This kid was defined purely by his money. But when he accepted that identity they dump on him. Let's face it, everyone hates rich kids while envying their wealth and the power it gives them. That's a hard load for any kid to carry.
Very true.
Today Jakey would probably be diagnosed bipolar or mentally incompetent. Because of his unsociable habits.
His daughter might be right about forgetting the Titanic related to Jakey.
Lol sounds like our ex President.
@@TeknoMediumsParanormal1111 LOL, which one? The one who ate a dog or the one who kept taxes low and kept us out of war?
Thank you kindly for these interesting stories about survivors of the Titanic.
Excellent. This is my first time listening to your channel! You did a great job.
Thank you for your kind words. Thank you for giving my channel a try.
I love the fact that you dont use an AI voiceover for your documentaries like 99.8% of youtube channels do presently, which I find a total turn-off and I immediately skip the vid. Plus --- I love the way you tell a story, so I SUBBED! 😘 👑
Really enjoyed this!! Would love to hear more about Vincent and his wife, they sound like kind hearted people
Hi Gabriela! Thank you for watching. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. The Astors are on my long list of topics. I will talk more about the other family members later this year.
There is information on here about his wifes last days, no bed clothes.
I really enjoy this video. I often wondered what happened to many of the passengers that survived the titanic. I'm so happy you've given us some insight on the lives of the survivors
Hey Jake Miles! I'm so glad that you enjoyed this. I love researching the Titanic passenger stories. I'm going to post a lot more of them in 2024.
Nicely done. I'm a History lover & enjoy all Hot messes of the past - so I had to subscribe. 😍
Thank you for your compliment. Thank you for subscribing. I hope that you continue to enjoy it here. I am working on another historical hot mess to have ready for you on New Year's Day.
I never knew that Astor gave his spot to a woman and helped save people. Btw, they do say the Astor's are one of the 13 families who are oligarchs. I like your chanel!
Who says so?
How very sad. Money can't buy you love, or teach you how to be a good man.
Agree
His mother was to busy with a loser!
Britain's Prince Andrew is a good contemporary example of that.
What a wonderful story teller you are. I loved listening to you here. Be blessed
I love how diverse your videos are. Keep up the good work young woman. You are quite the documentarian.
Hi Charlotte! Thank you for your kind words. I have a content calendar for this year that will allow me to tell many different kinds of stories. I'm really looking forward to getting them out to people like you who will appreciate them.
I am ridiculously addicted to this channel, the content, context, view and commentary is SPOT ON! Thanks Ti.
Love from 🇬🇧
Hi Jc! I truly thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I'm so glad that you found something here that you like. I'm working on a new Titanic story for you now. I will release it in early September. Much love from Texas!
Make your videos it only proves one that doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, we all struggle from time to time
Rest in peace John Jacob Astor. I hope you are with those poor dogs, having fun.
Amen! 🙏 ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I am so happy that I found your channel! you did a brilliant job on this!
Thanks for the laughs, for sharing the memory. And remember, you did another Titanic spinoff, the one about that actress. We can't forget the Titanic, for the lessons we hopefully learn from it.
Thank you so watching, QuickChris. I have many more Titanic stories to tell. You're right. More than anything, we need to learn lesson from Titanic and do better as humans.
@TisHotMessHistory thanks for responding, and I subscribed, by the way. I just didn't day so coz I thought, "I am not gonna force her to reply."
With that settlement she gave Jakey it was the equivalent to " If you don't take these little 250,000 dollars and get out my face" 😂😂😂😂
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
This guy grew up spoiled rotten and that's exactly what he thought...$$.He grew up with hatred (most likely from his mother talking about being disinherited)so he grew up w/hatred n thinking only about $$. He never worked,was bitter yet thought he was better than all in his social circle.. the guy NEVER KNEW HIS FATHER yet he thinks he is entitled to a major part of his fortune! He wasted more energy thru hatred and being nothing more than a snob!
He still could have inherited more-but should have been plenty to live on-the environment was toxic social circles
This just shows how important a father, who sets a good example, is for the upbringing of a boy. It's also important for girls to see a good example so they know the difference between a good man and a bad man. Jakey lacked the love and guidance of his incredibly wealthy and famous Father, which created a lost soul.
It s hard fora dea. DIED an example also who knows if jj Astor wouldn't have chang his will if he hadnd died
His father died
ABSOLUTELY! 💛
A good father, some are great husbands but horrible father's. If a father is going to be in his children's life, he has to be a good one, because some has trash ass father's.
@missg1727 Unfortunately, you speak truth. I REALLY Hope you have a good day...your comment kind of made me chuckle. Not in a bad way !
Excellent story telling. I’m a new subscriber. Jake was a product of his environment. You learn love and empathy from the people around you, especially your mom. Another example of having everything you want, but not what you really need.
Brilliant video Ti, really makes some excellent observations about this guy… It must’ve sucked so much to be him! Proof here that money can’t buy happiness.
Really good, astute, witty narration as usual! 👌
Thank you True Crazy Lion! And thank you for coming to the premiere. I wish that I could have been in the chat with you all, but I got to see your last comment. Glad that you had some fun!
These are fascinating and your delivery is perfect.
Hi Barry! Thank you so much for your compliments. Thank you for watching.
TI you be having me rolling when you start to tell these people about themselves. 😂
LOL! Hey Biz Minded!
i am obsessed with your channel!! i love the way you present your videos, been binging all day 🙌🏻
I love history and I didn't know anything about "Jakey". Everything that you have said about his behavior makes me believe that he was autistic. This is a very sad story.
This is exactly what I was thinking! If not autistic he definitely had a different ability that wasn't recognized nor treated.
That's my impression as well, the same for his earlier ancestor who had been labeled an idiot.
Yeah, it's too harsh. Not objective.
Never watched the Titanic movie or care to and I no empathy towards wealthy people loosing their wealth.
@@patricksmith2274 My comment only spoke to my observation that John Jacob Astor VI might have been autistic. Rich or poor I am sad that in his life, no one knew how to care or deal with his illness. I am thankful that today there are many people being helped thru the study of autisim.
You have a great page! Most rich people are not happy!
Thank you so much, TrotterHorseWatsonJr!
Yes...thank you!!!
Wealth doesn't equal happiness, right? I barely live above the poverty line , and yet I have contentment and peace.
My treasures are in heaven.
You are so good at these Ti ❤❤❤
Thank you so much, LailahLynn! I had to kinda start all over and start a new thing. But I always think of the foundation that you taught me. Learning about evergreen content from you was GOLD!
THANK YOU for this. I cannot get enough of your Astor drama!
Thank YOU for watching! I'm working on a story that's similar to this one. It will be ready for you on Monday. It's not about an Astor, but someone who ran in Jakey's social circle. I'm SO glad that you like these. Thank you for letting me know.
I am watching my way through Lulu White's dramas while I wait! ♪
Great video research and presentation. And, I am prepared to tell anyone who will listen about this episode's intro "Previously on Ti's Hot Mess History..." Fantastic!
Mama was pissing the money away😅
Very well researched and entertaining video. Cheers
Thank you so much, Piers.
You do a fantastic job telling this story! Very interesting!
I feel really sad for him, I think he's attitude was the direct result of how his mom raised him.
She made him the family name, money and what she believed was hia value. He like most kids believes it too😢
🕊 you know some things. ❤
Thank you for bringing history to life for us! ⚘️
I love your tone of voice and your pace, the story itself is super interesting. I had to subscribe!
This was fascinating. Being a huge fan of the history of Titanic - I really enjoyed your research and storytelling. Thank you.
Thank you so much for your kind words, SisterSherry.
I feel bad for him. Of course he’s responsible for his behavior and choices as an adult, but everyone failed him as a child. I feel terrible for the baby and then child who was raised to believe by everyone who should’ve cared for him that he was only worth however much money he had.
So happy I've found this channel❤🎉
Hi LiLiLit! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try.
This was great!! How about doing a video on Brooke Astor?? NYC will always remember kindly.
I loved your presentation. It’s entertaining, humorous AND informative. Thanks for covering this story and sharing this spoiled brat’s exploits. The only saving grace is that he didn’t go into politics!
Another great video. Such good research!
Thank you so much, Ellie! The research is my favorite part.
Wow, this was genuinely interesting and I loved your commentary. I've been on a Titanic kick lately and stumbled on your video while watching Tasting History with Max Miller. I'm glad I did. I'll definitely be checking out the previous videos. Looking through your videos, I can see a lot on people and subjects I'm not familiar with so I can't wait to watch them 😊
Max Miller has an excellent channel 😀
I love your presentation. I have been fascinated with the Gilded Age (Not the TV series) for decades. Thank you for your excellent research and sense of humor.
Ti 🥰🥰🥰, great as usual 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿. What a wonderful story to bring in the New Year. Thank you for your dedication to detail, what a work ethic that has to take.
Thank you so much, Darnell! I don't know how I missed your comment on this one. Thank you for appreciating my work. I worked all day on Christmas to get this one out. I'm going to work on tightening up my workflow for 2024. Happy New Year! I'll call you soon!
His mother and stepfather never educated him socially ( mannerisms, charms, and so on ).
That is so sad! I😢
I actually feel completely so sorry for him he was neglected n no one thought to check on him nor like a person like a container of spices left in the cupboard
Right-your governess wouldn’t have the chance to turn him against you mom if you actually spent time with him and didn’t think of caring for him as “loaning him your own money”
Sorry for him for what?? He's a spoiled brat. Gives me the same vibes the men/boys of the TRUMP family
Well he just wasn't wanted by anyone that must of not been easy money was his comfort blanket x
Wah-wah. Poor little rich boy. A lot of us were subjected to bad parenting but went on to live full and productive lives. No pity for a manbaby who had the opportunity to make good choices but didn't, because he was a weakling.
@@sp8813 The Astors were all playboys. Astor the 6th viewed Madeline as his Trophy Bride, he thought it would make him look dignified if he bagged a Wife Half his age. Trouble being, Madeline's Age gap was EXACTLY the same as Grover Cleavland's and Frances.(*Eww*)
Just found your channel and love it! Apart from being extremely engaging, I love that you list your sources!
I just really enjoy your videos, anything about the gilded age is interesting and fantastic! Thank you, thank you!❤
This was so fascinating! Excellent work!
Thank you so much!
You give such a presentation on different topics and information you make it easy to understand keep it going the guided age makes it fun to enjoy thank you
Thank you so much, Christy. I'm so glad that you enjoy my stories. I appreciate your support.
I just came across your channel today and loved your narration style. Great videos!
That wedding picture is a hot mess! Sourpuss couple!
I just found your channel. I absolutely love it!
I can’t wait to watch your other videos.
Hi Sammyantha! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try! I'm working on your next video. It's a lot like this one, but it's about a woman. It will be ready on the 15th. After that, I should have new videos ready for you every Monday.
@@TisHotMessHistory I look forward to it. I’m going to watch your other videos as well. I really enjoy learning.
I love that you cited your sources as well. I’m really enthused.
I just found you & now I’m binge watching your videos! Bravo 🙌
You are awesome, I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel! Cannot wait to view your other videos.
Thank you for this well researched and presented video! Glad I found your channel.
Thank YOU for your compliments and for watching. Thank you for giving my channel a try.
I agree. New subscriber & love the content. Thank you
Brother Vincent was set up by Jakie's mother and other people encouraging Jakie to have this lingering anger - clearly Jakie could have used a good therapist to help him sort this out. Actually Vincent had helped hIs jealous little brother a lot by growing his trust funds for him. Forgiveness, gratitude and an attitude to help those less fortunate would have gone a long way in healing his bitter life.
I love your delivery. Hilarious😂😊😁
Thank you so much!
I've often wondered what happened to the Titanic baby. Thanks for letting us know.
Thank YOU for listening to what I had to say about him.
I enjoyed your video very very much. Engaging storytelling.
Hi Stoney! Thank you for your kind words. I'm so glad that you enjoyed this video.
Great doc. I got distracted by one of the newspaper ads for the Anti-Substitution League though. I guess grocers substituting one item for another was rampant at the time.
😅 Wow, you really outdid yourself on this one, Ma'am! It's up there amongst my favorites on your channel ... enjoyed it immensely... well done!
It also reminds me of some other icky nasty child in today's daily news who had some similarities in childhood with everything being handed to them and ruined it. Love love love this channel, can't wait to see what's coming next.... Happy New Year and continued success to you! 📺 😎🎉🍾🥂
Thank you for watching, Karen. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. Thank you for your support.
Wow what an interesting story. Amazing job you’ve done on your research.
That is not a good choice to let a16 year old live on their own, no matter the socio economic background.
Agreed! 👍
You have such a great way of telling the stories of historical people! My fiancé and I completely binged listened to your series about the Astor family and as a treat played your video about Cab Calloway (I really respected how he took care of his dancers at the Cotton Club).
I look forward to more! Keep up the great work!
Hi Nate! Thank you for your kind words about my work. I truly appreciate you and your fiance for binge watching some of my content. I'm with you on Cab Calloway. I have nothing but respect for him.
I'm working on the story of a crazy 1920's doctor right now. After that, I'll have another Titanic couple scandal ready for you. Thank you for giving my channel a try!
So happy I have found your channel, fascinating, I have subbed and today I will be bingeing your uploads. 👍🌻🌻
Hi Thresa! Thank you so much for giving my channel a try. I'm so glad that you are enjoying the content. I truly appreciate you for binge watching. That means a lot to me. Thank you so much for subscribing. I hope that you continue to like it here.
I just found your wonderful channel I love hearing about the events and families of the 1920s and 30s eras I’ve decided that if I ever do get to remarry I want my wedding to be 1920s style I’m 63 and still looking in Texas
This was great and you're so funny! Thanks for posting.
Fascinating content! Love your dulciloquent voice ! Thank You !!❤
How sad to be an infant and not be wanted! No child deserves that! It seems he didn't value the life he was born into.
How does one value their life or themselves when they never felt valued as a child? Our identities are deeply rooted in the messages and beliefs we are imprinted with in childhood.
Yeah free them puppies:D 👏 ❤ thank you for freeing them that shows that their was love once in this world he didn't have to save them but he was a brave man and saved them before himself I'd say that's a true captain
Excellent! Happy holidays to you & yours.
Thank you! Happy Holidays to you and yours as well.
I’m new to ur channel and I LOVE IT!!! You’re so down to earth. You’re witty and charming and respectful. I love how, at the end, you acknowledge your resources. Also, I just love your slight innuendos and sense of humour. Definitely going to recommend your channel. I’m now off to cook and listen/ watch ALL your videos. All the best and thank you for your awesomeness 😊❤
Wow! Thank you for giving my channel a try and thank you for your very kind words. I just started making my videos in this style last month. It takes me a longer than what I used to do, but this is what I love and this is what I'm sticking with. You'll probably find me to be a bit more crude in older videos, to be honest. LOL! But I love the more historical route that the channel has taken. The next video will be in this style and it's about a Titanic passenger. I thought that I would have it ready for this Monday, but I came across something in the research process that I have to add, so it's taking me a longer time.
Anyway, enjoy your cooking! And thank you for recommending my channel. That means a lot to me. Have a great day!
I love your vlogs both content and remarks from your heart :)
Thank you so very much!
This remains a drama, the younger son's bitterness against a SOCIETAL NORM for the oldest to get the most.
Love your channel Ti. This is a great story.
I absolutely loved this, Ti!!! Wonderful!!!! And thank you!!!!
I really enjoy your storytelling. New subscriber.❤
Started this Titanic cruise with the Gibson lifeboat # 7 mess, connected on Astor and the pugalist, now
boarding the tugboat Jakey. Really should be sleeping, but your storytelling is fabulous!
Hey Ann! I hope that this one was a good bedtime story for you. Thank you so much for watching my videos! And thank you for your kind words.
So glad I found your channel!! You are awesome!! Thank you for your work!
A very excellent video. Well done!!! Thank you for sharing!!!
Another interesting video. I hope you are feeling better.
Hi Susanna! I am feeling somewhat better. Not 100% yet, but much better. Thank you for caring. I'm so glad that you found this video interesting.
It's been at least a week since you have been unwell. Get better and a Happy New Year to you.@@TisHotMessHistory
@tisHotMessHistory I have followed you since the early days and just wanted to comment what a great job you are doing. I love witnessing your growth as a story teller and editor. Be blessed and keep the great content coming!
Thank-you Ti. Merry Christmas ⛄🎁 and happy holidays ⛄🎁.
Hello Ti, This vid just popped up tonight & I watched it. I was enthralled at how you deliver.
Thank you. I’m pleased I found you ☺️