I love Ben's turns of phrase. Lol, when he starts getting all excited I can't help but move to the edge of my seat. Ben, you sure as Hell know how to whip up the crowd!
Thanks so much, Ben. I really enjoyed this episode and, as always, I appreciate your hard work. I will try to hit you up elsewhere with thoughts. This was an excellent show. 👍✌🏼
I love the extent of your research. You get into details that I've not heard from other...historical creepiness readers, I guess? It impresses me so much, and I love the implications of your patreon offer of 'all notes and references'. It implies to me that this is a very important part of the process for you, and that you hope to share that with others.
Absolutely one of the best Story-Tellers I've ever heard. A delicious talent in a craft thats far too sparse. Definitely would land a job "Reading for Audio Books" - and that's a dire need! What an interesting account and yes it is emotionally touching. The physical aspect is odd - for non-physical energy.
Also there's no way a dwarf could have played the part of a 6 year old. Their bodies are usually chunky but not in a childlike way. You would have been able to tell it was the body of an adult woman . The only thing she would have had going for her was the height. At the same time the writer said she had her hair done in a way that made her look a few inches taller, helping her to pass as a 16 year old. But in Price's description of the child he said she had long soft hair. He touched it and got a good look at it. It doesn't sound like it was an updo or voluminous like the writer's hair had to be to give her those extra inches of height. Plus I think he would have noticed if this ghost girl and the "teenaged" daughter had the same mature hair style. Si she couldn't have been the ghost girl either. They must have somehow hid an actual child in the room
I've always meant to ask you to do an episode about Gef the Talking Mongoose, so I audibly Squeeeed when you mentioned the case! If you ever cover another Harry Price case, it should be that one. Mainly because you could access so many of the historical records regarding what was going on in the area that could have influenced the case and how it was blown out of proportion to suit the political/economical needs of any benefactors. You know, in the way that the Salem Witch trials was about land and a family feud. And the Bell Witch haunting was a case of challenging a woman who was perceived to have too much power and authority. AND a land grab. Lol
This has been a really interesting and entertaining podcast, I just found your channel today and it's fantastic, I'm definitely subscribing! 😆 The sheer level of yarn-spinning in this makes me giggle though I do feel a little bad for Price - when your whole life's work is based on debunking spirits and building a reputation of sensationalism along the way I suppose it can make you a little too confident in your craft, at least enough to not consider a member of the group pretending to be a ghost; also props to the X family for keeping the lies going for so long, I guess??? they're the crown family of porky pies 🐽🐽😂
Unlike the voice of the case I always think of when I hear the name Harold Price, that of the so called Enfield Poltergeist. Teenage youg girll Janet became a gruff voiced old man named Fred.... "I died downstairs in the cowwna of the room in me chair, me fackin Tikka gave out. Fack horrrrrf, go on! Get out me facking ausse!" said the Deceased. Jan.. ... Fred swore worse than A London Cabbie. In all seriousness though, the Enfield case was not the best example of a case to so publicly endnorse & be as Adamant as Price was that the Enfield Case was a genuine one of a poltergeist. Kinda hurt his credibility somewhat I though. He had post his daughter in tragic circumstances whixh is why he was in on the mission he was to prove an afterlife and so... Who am I to criticise?
@@russellcrook5113 Yes I'm aware of Maurice being associated But wasn't Harry price involved also at some stage? Or am I confusing this with another case he was associated with?
No mate Harry price died in 1948 the enfield happening was in the mid seventies, and despite the movie, Ed and Lorraine Warren were not involved either
@@russellcrook5113 Now see there again I was watching lights out podcast and an episode on the Enfield Poltergeist only yesterday and they claimed Ed & Louraine did attend the house once. Doest fit Ed and Louraines MO, they never usually just went once to a location. I think, and this is just my personal opinion, that Certifying Amityville as not just a haunted house, but a demonically infested one, damaged their credibility. Whatever credibility that comes from a self titled demonologist and self declared psychic. Amityville was a hoax and scam trumped up by George and Kathy to cash in on the Defeao tragedy. Sinse the moment George and Kathy 'Fled' 112 ocean avenue, not one single piece of activity has been reported.
She fixed her hair, but the investigator said the little girl had long hair... so she took her hair down (in the dark) and then after she put her clothes back on after pretending to be the little girl... she put her hair back up (in the dark) and what about make up... how did she take that off and put it back on???
Sounds like thr group created a Tulpa~~a thought form. Every member was focused on Rosalie; on how a perfect 6 year old child's form, directed by the memories of a heartbroken mother. There is huge amounts of energy that can be used from emotion.
I just don't think Harry would have been fooled by what would be a very, very risky enterprise. I can't buy into the suggestion that the letter is genuine. As you rightly state, everything would have had to go precisely according to plan - and then some.
Maybe uncle Joe was actually the son of the father (Mr x). Maybe he had him out of wedlock or something and his parents kept Joe and so they were raised as brothers making him uncle Joe to the writer of that letter . Uncle Joe was said to have died in North Africa but records show the brother stationed in North Africa . Maybe they're the same person but the writer never knew that Joe was her biological brother and not her uncle. Maybe official/government documents would have listed him as the son of the father (Mr x) bc idk the parents didn't officially or legally adopt him
Same as others noted, why would a spirit have a heartbeat and pulse? Also it's interesting he stated he touched every inch of the spirit, what's up with that? Hopefully it was the 30 year old option 😋. Great story telling and incredible info and research!!
Found this really sad, a desperate mother, who’ll believe anything to contact her dead daughter. Hope this gave her some comfort & she never ever suspected anything fake. Odd that any parents would involve their own child in such a hoax?? If any of this is actually true??
At 10:45 you say Price collaborated with another investigator to publish a book in 1891. What? When he was ten? I had to do my own research and found the book was published around 1921, and was an updated version of the previous book published in 1891. Your non-linear narrative style and reluctance to state a person's age at different points in the story often takes me out of the tale, as well as leads to mistakes such as these. I really enjoy your podcasts and am trying to listen to all of them, but your storytelling style often leads to confusion.
He was definitely duped, but how? I'm with you, Ben, a 30 year old could not have portrayed a child, by any stretch of the imagination. There must have been an additional actress involved playing the role of Rosalie.
Back then a 35 year old, short of stature could pull off... Albeit under poorly lit and underlit circumstances. You say amateurs.. These people had practiced n practiced until perfection.. The motive that makes the improbable probable... Money and reputation.. It wasn't a matter of luck.. Everything was planned perfect.. Giving him full swing over every situation makes him then use less within that situation, such is his confidence that every base is covered.. How could a person possibly get in the room.... Simple she was already in there... The radio... The crying to cover ruffling of clothes. Etc etc...all tallies...
Well what is 'Rosalie' didn't have to hoodwink him in favour of bribing him? Yeah he has his research and respectable reputation to maintain but bk then séances and mediumship were big n business as the spiritual age was born. I mean if you could manage to bribe someone as well known and rebound as a Harry price so He will publicqlly endorse u as the real thing? You'd have lines of clients 4 blocks and paying paying the big money.. Only slight issue with that scenario obviously is the confidentiality. Why, if you had possibility to have Harry Price endorse you as genuine would u not want to let the world know who you are and where u live? Hoodwinked him? 0.001% is how likely that is to be what happened. That be like todays equivalent of uri Geller getting endorsed as the real paranormalist spoon bediner by The JREF - (James Randi educational foundation) with Uris Road agent Derren Brown. It, maybe he simply made the people and place up and they never existed, other than in his Imagination as the centerfold for his new fiction book that is 'Inspired by Actual possible events.....
Also, if he was bribed, wouldn't he have made up a real spirit story ? Instead he is describing' a spirit with a human body '. But a spirit in a human body is by definition a human being, not a spirit. I find it more obvious they found a way to get a girl in and out a dark room without him noticing.
Have you considered or have you already studied the investigation of Sir Wm Crookes on spiritualism? He was chosen by the scientific community in the mid-19 century to put an end to the nonsense, but only to be disappointed.
People in those days esp women were shorter... As were men.. A 35 year old woman could easily pull of being a 6yr old in frame in complete darkness and then underlit of the face. And on the flip side.. With high heels and larger wig, make up etc she would appear her normal age and thus price overlooked what was under his control right across the table from him.. That he couldn't have his partner with him EVEN Tho They said the ghost wasn't phased by prescense of others.. Such as the daughter, boyfriend, father and mother with x... Should set red flags.. Silly old fool. Lol
He was hoodwinked the silly old fool. I have a great respect for price but he was for sure a "gentleman" with old worlde sensibilities, so any tampering with women as Part of Investigation would be unthinkable and a stickler for his word...the letter of explanation is too logical to be bs...sure she may have used some of the price changes to hide her own embarrassments but u betcha thats what happened. The very mention of the flesh feeling warm and looking somewhat older than 6 gives it all away. Price was a stickler for his word. And true to his word he went to the grave unsure of himself and questioning his investigative skill... Tbh if it hadn't been for his rich wife, none of us would know anything of price as he was nothing remarkable over other investigators.. Case solved.
An intersting podcast. But your pronunciation of Madame Z's name as 'Zee' grates on my nerves!. If she were French, she would have pronounced it just as the British do - as in 'zed'. She would not have used the American pronunciation.
I love Ben's turns of phrase. Lol, when he starts getting all excited I can't help but move to the edge of my seat. Ben, you sure as Hell know how to whip up the crowd!
This is among my top 3 favorite mysteries I've ever heard.
So good... I had to listen to it twice in a row! Always a brilliant pleasure to hear you do what you love, Ben! Because we love it tooooooo!
So many complex motives, and emotions, biases, etc. Great story! We all love puzzles and mysteries - that this goes on, makes it better.
Thanks so much, Ben. I really enjoyed this episode and, as always, I appreciate your hard work. I will try to hit you up elsewhere with thoughts. This was an excellent show. 👍✌🏼
You have a wonderful voice.
I love the extent of your research. You get into details that I've not heard from other...historical creepiness readers, I guess? It impresses me so much, and I love the implications of your patreon offer of 'all notes and references'. It implies to me that this is a very important part of the process for you, and that you hope to share that with others.
Absolutely one of the best Story-Tellers I've ever heard. A delicious talent in a craft thats far too sparse.
Definitely would land a job "Reading for Audio Books" - and that's a dire need!
What an interesting account and yes it is emotionally touching.
The physical aspect is odd - for non-physical energy.
Also there's no way a dwarf could have played the part of a 6 year old. Their bodies are usually chunky but not in a childlike way. You would have been able to tell it was the body of an adult woman . The only thing she would have had going for her was the height. At the same time the writer said she had her hair done in a way that made her look a few inches taller, helping her to pass as a 16 year old. But in Price's description of the child he said she had long soft hair. He touched it and got a good look at it. It doesn't sound like it was an updo or voluminous like the writer's hair had to be to give her those extra inches of height. Plus I think he would have noticed if this ghost girl and the "teenaged" daughter had the same mature hair style. Si she couldn't have been the ghost girl either. They must have somehow hid an actual child in the room
Lovely Sunday evening story to listen to.
How can he not have thousands of views?
Really good episode
I've always meant to ask you to do an episode about Gef the Talking Mongoose, so I audibly Squeeeed when you mentioned the case! If you ever cover another Harry Price case, it should be that one. Mainly because you could access so many of the historical records regarding what was going on in the area that could have influenced the case and how it was blown out of proportion to suit the political/economical needs of any benefactors. You know, in the way that the Salem Witch trials was about land and a family feud. And the Bell Witch haunting was a case of challenging a woman who was perceived to have too much power and authority. AND a land grab. Lol
This has been a really interesting and entertaining podcast, I just found your channel today and it's fantastic, I'm definitely subscribing! 😆 The sheer level of yarn-spinning in this makes me giggle though I do feel a little bad for Price - when your whole life's work is based on debunking spirits and building a reputation of sensationalism along the way I suppose it can make you a little too confident in your craft, at least enough to not consider a member of the group pretending to be a ghost; also props to the X family for keeping the lies going for so long, I guess??? they're the crown family of porky pies 🐽🐽😂
Only he had the bs story of it going on so long. He didn't know them personally n so had no Idea how long they had known each other.
thrilled for a new episode!!!!!
How could u improve the sound of that voice! So calming.
Unlike the voice of the case I always think of when I hear the name Harold Price, that of the so called Enfield Poltergeist. Teenage youg girll Janet became a gruff voiced old man named Fred....
"I died downstairs in the cowwna of the room in me chair, me fackin Tikka gave out. Fack horrrrrf, go on! Get out me facking ausse!" said the Deceased.
Jan.. ... Fred swore worse than A London Cabbie.
In all seriousness though, the Enfield case was not the best example of a case to so publicly endnorse & be as Adamant as Price was that the Enfield Case was a genuine one of a poltergeist. Kinda hurt his credibility somewhat I though. He had post his daughter in tragic circumstances whixh is why he was in on the mission he was to prove an afterlife and so... Who am I to criticise?
@@WelshChappie think your referring to Maurice grosse not Harold price.
@@russellcrook5113 Yes I'm aware of Maurice being associated But wasn't Harry price involved also at some stage? Or am I confusing this with another case he was associated with?
No mate Harry price died in 1948 the enfield happening was in the mid seventies, and despite the movie, Ed and Lorraine Warren were not involved either
@@russellcrook5113 Now see there again I was watching lights out podcast and an episode on the Enfield Poltergeist only yesterday and they claimed Ed & Louraine did attend the house once.
Doest fit Ed and Louraines MO, they never usually just went once to a location.
I think, and this is just my personal opinion, that Certifying Amityville as not just a haunted house, but a demonically infested one, damaged their credibility. Whatever credibility that comes from a self titled demonologist and self declared psychic.
Amityville was a hoax and scam trumped up by George and Kathy to cash in on the Defeao tragedy. Sinse the moment George and Kathy 'Fled' 112 ocean avenue, not one single piece of activity has been reported.
listening from the ukwales 2021❤️
Hi Ben!
She fixed her hair, but the investigator said the little girl had long hair... so she took her hair down (in the dark) and then after she put her clothes back on after pretending to be the little girl... she put her hair back up (in the dark) and what about make up... how did she take that off and put it back on???
Sounds like thr group created a Tulpa~~a thought form. Every member was focused on Rosalie; on how a perfect 6 year old child's form, directed by the memories of a heartbroken mother. There is huge amounts of energy that can be used from emotion.
Ben I love your reading of these stories 💜
I just don't think Harry would have been fooled by what would be a very, very risky enterprise. I can't buy into the suggestion that the letter is genuine. As you rightly state, everything would have had to go precisely according to plan - and then some.
Maybe uncle Joe was actually the son of the father (Mr x). Maybe he had him out of wedlock or something and his parents kept Joe and so they were raised as brothers making him uncle Joe to the writer of that letter . Uncle Joe was said to have died in North Africa but records show the brother stationed in North Africa . Maybe they're the same person but the writer never knew that Joe was her biological brother and not her uncle. Maybe official/government documents would have listed him as the son of the father (Mr x) bc idk the parents didn't officially or legally adopt him
Same as others noted, why would a spirit have a heartbeat and pulse? Also it's interesting he stated he touched every inch of the spirit, what's up with that? Hopefully it was the 30 year old option 😋. Great story telling and incredible info and research!!
Found this really sad, a desperate mother, who’ll believe anything to contact her dead daughter.
Hope this gave her some comfort & she never ever suspected anything fake.
Odd that any parents would involve their own child in such a hoax??
If any of this is actually true??
At 10:45 you say Price collaborated with another investigator to publish a book in 1891. What? When he was ten? I had to do my own research and found the book was published around 1921, and was an updated version of the previous book published in 1891. Your non-linear narrative style and reluctance to state a person's age at different points in the story often takes me out of the tale, as well as leads to mistakes such as these. I really enjoy your podcasts and am trying to listen to all of them, but your storytelling style often leads to confusion.
Bravo!
The question is how they got this girl under his nose, not if a spirit can have a human body. A spirit with a human body is a human being,.
He was definitely duped, but how? I'm with you, Ben, a 30 year old could not have portrayed a child, by any stretch of the imagination. There must have been an additional actress involved playing the role of Rosalie.
The name you mention for Patreon..''Ceridwen'' it is pronounced ''Kerridwen''...{or that was how my friend pronounced it :) }
I've always heard: "Sair-reed-win", like the beginning of Sarah but with "eedwin" on the end. It's Celtic.
Back then a 35 year old, short of stature could pull off... Albeit under poorly lit and underlit circumstances. You say amateurs.. These people had practiced n practiced until perfection.. The motive that makes the improbable probable... Money and reputation.. It wasn't a matter of luck.. Everything was planned perfect.. Giving him full swing over every situation makes him then use less within that situation, such is his confidence that every base is covered.. How could a person possibly get in the room.... Simple she was already in there... The radio... The crying to cover ruffling of clothes. Etc etc...all tallies...
A naked 35 year old cannot pull off a naked 6 year old.
The girl of about 3 1/2 feet tall was able to successfully play a 16 year old? I think the author of the letter was making it up
Well what is 'Rosalie' didn't have to hoodwink him in favour of bribing him? Yeah he has his research and respectable reputation to maintain but bk then séances and mediumship were big n business as the spiritual age was born. I mean if you could manage to bribe someone as well known and rebound as a Harry price so He will publicqlly endorse u as the real thing? You'd have lines of clients 4 blocks and paying paying the big money..
Only slight issue with that scenario obviously is the confidentiality. Why, if you had possibility to have Harry Price endorse you as genuine would u not want to let the world know who you are and where u live?
Hoodwinked him? 0.001% is how likely that is to be what happened. That be like todays equivalent of uri Geller getting endorsed as the real paranormalist spoon bediner by The JREF - (James Randi educational foundation) with Uris Road agent Derren Brown.
It, maybe he simply made the people and place up and they never existed, other than in his Imagination as the centerfold for his new fiction book that is 'Inspired by Actual possible events.....
Also, if he was bribed, wouldn't he have made up a real spirit story ? Instead he is describing' a spirit with a human body '. But a spirit in a human body is by definition a human being, not a spirit. I find it more obvious they found a way to get a girl in and out a dark room without him noticing.
Have you considered or have you already studied the investigation of Sir Wm Crookes on spiritualism? He was chosen by the scientific community in the mid-19 century to put an end to the nonsense, but only to be disappointed.
Spirits don't have skin or not warm they don't have a pulse they don't have a heartbeat etc etc and they don't breathe
How do you know?
Agreed. Heartbeats, warmth come from living beings, The dead are cold, due to cellular metabolism ceasing at the point of death.
@@Oakleaf700 They don’t tend to wander the earth in physical form either. That would be a Zombie not a ghost.
People in those days esp women were shorter... As were men.. A 35 year old woman could easily pull of being a 6yr old in frame in complete darkness and then underlit of the face. And on the flip side.. With high heels and larger wig, make up etc she would appear her normal age and thus price overlooked what was under his control right across the table from him.. That he couldn't have his partner with him EVEN Tho They said the ghost wasn't phased by prescense of others.. Such as the daughter, boyfriend, father and mother with x... Should set red flags.. Silly old fool. Lol
he was tricked
You are selling the sound of your voice. Interesting, people buy it.
This is truly a load of crp
He was hoodwinked the silly old fool. I have a great respect for price but he was for sure a "gentleman" with old worlde sensibilities, so any tampering with women as Part of Investigation would be unthinkable and a stickler for his word...the letter of explanation is too logical to be bs...sure she may have used some of the price changes to hide her own embarrassments but u betcha thats what happened. The very mention of the flesh feeling warm and looking somewhat older than 6 gives it all away. Price was a stickler for his word. And true to his word he went to the grave unsure of himself and questioning his investigative skill... Tbh if it hadn't been for his rich wife, none of us would know anything of price as he was nothing remarkable over other investigators.. Case solved.
An intersting podcast. But your pronunciation of Madame Z's name as 'Zee' grates on my nerves!. If she were French, she would have pronounced it just as the British do - as in 'zed'. She would not have used the American pronunciation.
It was fake. Damn !!!!! Guess there are no ghosts its all crap.lol.
My goodness your s's are so harsh. I don't know if I will be able to listen all the way through. Sorry it hurts my ears.