Nothing wrong with that new religions are created all the time even Christianity was invented at some point in history it’s just important we don’t create historical forgeries as iolo did I’m would also like to see a Celtic revival in the form of the Gaelic language and culture but I want it done in a way that’s truthful and respects our history I accept that things won’t be exactly as they were nor should they be but to bring back the culture in a way that makes sense for modern people
@@Alasdair37448 there ate qualtachts in Ireland where irish gealic is their first language. Celtic culture is historically comes from middle Europe, the last "celts" are in Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, the isle of white, Wales and Catalan. I'm sure I'm missing a place or two. The idea of celtic history that we have now in Ireland is pretty much a fabrication invented in the 20s when we gained independence and wanted something culturally to cling to. Most cultural history as told by the culture claiming it re fabrications based on ideas that we want to project. If we were to be honest about it there would e a huge amount of "we don't know"s
@@Alasdair37448 the problem with fake ancient history is how it links to conspiracy nut and often far right pipeline and you get people radicalized because their brain is a mush of "tr00 kvlt trad ancient aryan" bull based on 19th century forgeries and NS propaganda.
True, but I know few Wiccans who believe the religion is older than the 18th century at most. I also know most Christians aren't Creationists, and most Creationists aren't Christians, so using Wiccan Literalists as an example of invalidating the religion holds as much weight as using YECs to invalidate Christianity.
I had a brief interest in celtic reconstructionism a while back to kinda reconnect with history, but I got so frustrated with so many "factual" sources not really using facts at all. I even considered getting an Anwen tattoo. On one hand its sad to think that most of the stuff we know was invented by post-industrial nationalists, on the other hand the older more accurate information was just invented by regular people of the time. Still I would rather learn and appreciate whats true than what would make me feel better.
Yes, because everyone knows facts are subject to a specifc time period, and never existed before or after We can only learn truth according to words in books written by Gods But God themselves is incapable of anything 😂
Ireland has 4 fire festivals and 4 solar festivals, pre-Celtic. We have megalithic archaeology and early Medieval writing to substantiate. Folklore substantiates the ongoing significance of our 8 indiginous festivals.
I love the Irish mythology, Those crazy Formorians coming out of the sea, Balors crazy eye. It's like Tolkien wrote that stuff. What are the festivals if you don't mind me asking? I could Google it I suppose, but somehow information obtained via a person is always more appreciated. UK here btw, Irish genetic haplo type, grandparents were Irish, so auburn, freckles and love fighting.
@@DEXTROBILLsolar festivals are the equinoxes and solstices, fire festivals are Bealtaine, Lughnasdh, Samhain and Imbolg. And hi Ailish long time no see ❤️
@@derekpmoore I guess it depends on your definition of paganism. If you the pre Christian indigenous spiritual practices of Ireland as Pagan then it does have something to do with it. If you are talking about modern neo-paganism co-opting our traditions then yes it’s synthetic.
I agree with Prof Ronald Hutton that spiritual practices don't have to be ancient to be meaningful. Nor do you really need to know all the history and origins of a practice to find it helpful. But it's fair enough to debunk claims of ancient origins where they are exaggerated or unsubstantiated. Plus many contemporary Pagan ideas are at least inspired by ancient cultures.
Except this stuff is ancient this is an American talking about things they know nothing about actually feel Welsh or Irish person about these matters not a globalist yank with an agenda
@@Fr.O.G. long story short this guy who makes the videos he writes a bunch of books it's all bulshit he's not a Celtic person certainly not Irish. I am a Celtic person many of my compatriots are scholars and academics within our culture these videos reflect nothing outside of American cultural appropriation. A American is not going to understand our people without a concerted effort in learning which a fantasy writer is not going to do. The information is out there to learn fantasy writers never bother they never bother learning the languages they never bother learning anything beyond the few tropes they can appropriate. I don't speak Japanese if I write a story about a dragon and a samurai it's gonna be s***do anybody who knows what they're talking about. Because the dragon will be European and the samurai will probably be a peasant that earned the position rather than a noble because I don't understand Japanese culture. Now you can argue well that doesn't mean I can't write a Japanese story accept it does that's exactly what it means it does mean that you would have to be f****** diluted to think otherwise. The sense of entitlement people to appropriate another culture they have not even bothered to learn the culture of will be criminal and it's people like the author of these videos that will have made it need to be prosecuted Rebecca Yaris JK Rowling there is a bunch of them they are all criminal in what they do.
Having spent many years studying the Brythonic traditions, I wholeheartedly agree with the information in this video. Iolo Morganwg created a wholly fictitious "druid tradition", which has made the study of Brythonic mythology far more difficult. The contemporary sources regarding the Druids, e.g. Caesars "De Bello Gallico", the Annals of Tacitus, etc. are written from the point of view of the Imperial Romans, with the bias of someone who considers themselves superior to the peoples they are writing about.
This is a very good point. The way that Romans described the Celts was what we would call propaganda today and it could be argued that Romans more or less invented propaganda as a way to demean their enemies with written word, against peoples who mostly relied on oral tradition. So now, historians only have the Roman accounts to work with, and these do not paint an accurate picture. Julius Caesar's depictions of the Britons alone is so obviously false that it cannot be regarded as historically accurate.
De Bello Gallico wasn’t only written with a sense of cultural superiority, it was also a piece which sought to justify even further Roman invasions beyond the Gauls, and simultaneously portray Caesar as a godlike figure while he was still a consul, in preparation for his ultimate goal of starting an empire. A three-pronged piece of propaganda like that is better than historical fiction, but not by all that much.
@nape1475 I've noticed this argument made in various forms when discussing the writing of Romans on the peoples they conquered. Granted, Caesar and the rest of the Romans were obviously writing with a "bias," and I would challenge anyone past or present to produce an account of Celtic history, or any history of any subject, that was not written with a "bias." It's one of the fundamental challenges of human interaction that we cannot at any point objectively represent things that have already happened. But Romans are not just guilty of bias, say many, they are guilty of PROPAGANDA, even of "inventing" propaganda to "justify" the invasions and conquests of their Emperors. Let us just take a moment to step back and analyze what the fans of the cause are saying, and I am here as an explorer of history, Celtic or otherwise, and a seeker of truth like many here, I am not singling out the "Celtic squad." The issue with this take on the Roman descriptions of the Celts is that the Romans did not need "propaganda." Caesar didn't have to justify the mass enslavement of Gauls. Roman citizens were witness to gruesome bloodsport in their colliseums because this was the kind of conditioning a culture based upon conquest and exploitation required to go about its business without getting all soft in the middle. There was gold in Britain, and Celts were weaker than Romans. That's all the "propaganda" a Roman general needed to get going. Propaganda was only important when the subject concerned *Roman citizenry*. Who gets to be called "Roman?"" Who mattered in Rome, which families? Outside of this, you didn't need much of an excuse so long as you were not humiliating the home team in failures abroad. One sees the same rhetoric among the revisionists of Aztec history who claim that Spain painted the Aztecs (who also engaged in widespread human sacrifice, even cannibalism) as excessively brutal as "propaganda" to justify the plunder of Tenochitlan. When one reads of the proclamations of Emperor Philip regarding the treatment of Dutch protestants (they're uh, BAD), it's hard to wrap one's head around this sudden concern for public sentiment. Beyond the yelps of a few monks, nobody cared as long as the silver ships arrived on time. There was no need for Romans to make Celtic society appear savage in order to justify cassus belli. Caesar himself was concerned about his own image, certainly; that he was a patient, practical daddy who forgave his enemies (if they were Roman) and was rational and modest and so forth. Maybe his accounts are less biased then would be a native writing on the same subject?
@@eschsoapy2809 Of course Caesar needed propaganda, he had started a war without getting permission (much less an order) to do so by his government, which consisted of political opponents
I am Irish and i was once talking with an English celtic pagan and i was trying to help and give her some critical thibking advice and explaining to her ti try and be careful with her sources and double check everything and to really try and evaluate what and why shebwas beloeving these things. I really tried to hit hime that not every character in itish mythology was a god, and that many weren't technically speaking "real gods" as some were simply metaphorical characters, allegories, christian themes, or completely fictional and solely found in the stiries but were never actually worshipped and that many of the characterisations wr have today arent accurate or historical. And she fully turned to me and says don't worry i know which ones are real when I astral project to the fae realm. I mentioned again to be careful because a lot of stuff is genuinely false and lies. Abd this girl turned to me and says that i should stop disrespecting her religion and telling her it's not real and im sitting there like... Miss... Your religion is my culture? Like get to fuck?
Eh you're irish not a celt. So no your culture is not her religion. And for heavens sake get a grip she's not a historian looking for facts. She's a spiritual seeker looking for enlightenment and drieing her weird. It doesn't matter if its lord of the rings Alistair Crowley or catholic catcheism its all made up and no bloody gods are real and some not. None are. Gods dont exist other than in the minds of people playing with stories so of course she can tell which ones are real and not by astral projection. If materialism is your religion and youve no sense of what shes on then you need somone to tell you what is written and what is not written what has an old book snd what doesnt. Not everyone needs some material verification for their rleigious or spiritual practice you're a good catholic perhaps and wait for the preists to point to the catechism or a passage in the bible to say the prayer lest you might do something heretical. Dont worry for other people that they will get lost if theyre not following your map.
Also Irish. I remember the first time I saw footage on TV of a "celtic druid" chanting at stonehenge during the summer solstice and I just burst out laughing at the absurdity of the whole "show".
@@Padraigp I fully agree. What I found rediculous in that instance thought is that there is no written record of what pagan practices were and here's some fool chanting at the sky proclaiming to be a druid.
@adrianred236 I don’t understand the harm in reconstructing a lost practice, but it should be made known that it’s not all facts. Which the OBOD does in its introductory work. There are always going to be people who claim something without ever having done any real research or work in the field. Laughing at people who are trying to reconnect to their roots that were stolen and appropriated is cruel.
I almost prefer knowing that it's not ancient. Just like most neopagan music is not meant to be accurate at all. Sadly, ancient celtic ways were shattered like most other tribal cultures around the world. But modern paganism is less about trying to live the old way and more about learning from the past to better the future.
Well, the Zodiac is the Zodiac. The point is 12 asterisms observed changing monthly along a very specific part of the sky. Granted, if the idea of Partholon being Greek had any accuracy, the Greek Zodiac could've influenced something along the line. And the Greek Zodiac was adopted from the Babylonian one. Granted that's a pretty Purple Monkey Dishwasher of a connection lol
Says who? Are you God? Or just a Princess? Druid of Phoenicia* Aka Canaan Aka "Israel" Or Assyria Or Chaldea, like Caledonia, Scotland, named for the Scythians, and Albion, meaning White, like Albania, and Liban Lebanon meaning White. Hebrews were Iberian Celts, and have no connection to Master Race Insanity
The Gaulish month Samonios is usually equated with the start of summer similar to the Old Irish term cetsamhuin which became Céitemain/Ceitean - another name for May Day/Beltaine, the first (cet) day of summer (sam). Another Gaulish month Giamonios which comes exactly six months after Samonios shares a cognate with Gamain in Old Irish which was the name for the month we now call Samhain. Gamain was also known as Gamthos meaning beginning of winter. This fits better with the idea that Samhain comes from 'end of Summer'. So Samonios is not actually Samhain as counter-intuitive as it seems.
Thank you for addressing the (questionable) contributions of Iolo Morganwg - and for adding much information I didn't know. I think my biggest disappointment with his attempt to recreate Celtic paganism to suit himself was his super-imposition of a monotheistic supreme being (Hu Gadarn I believe). And you raise a valuable point in differentiating between "recreationists" and "reconstructionists." I would have had much more respect for Edward Williams if he had been honest about which of these he was. The problem of reconstructing Celtic pagan religion lies both in the fallacy of a single, universal Celtic paganism, and that those collected beliefs did not change over the duration of Celtic ascendancy in Europe. Contact with various different cultures in different regions would have influenced local beliefs. Druids could never have exercised any central dogmatic authority over all Celts like some pagan predecessor to the Roman Catholic Church. And of course we have very little contemporary evidence.
So just happened to know about the Morgai of Dionysus, whose name is also found in Britain, where the Phoenicians aka Jews got their Tin And Asherah totally isnt a reference to Ellah The Celtic word for Oak
The whole term 'Celt' is an Oxford myth in the first place, created by Edward Lhuyd a polymath keeper of the Ashmolean Museum, and popularised in a book called The Antiquities of Nations. “There never was a Celtic invasion of Ireland or Britain. The identity of a Celtic Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany dates back, not to the mists of time, but to 1707” (Just after the first Act of Union in fact). There is an Iron Age material culture that is evident in findings from northern Europe between Paris and Prague. It is named after a site in Switzerland called La Tène and is associated with what we call the Celts (there is no evidence that these people ever used the term or even identified themselves as a single ethnic group). And none of the things you would find if these people invaded or migrated to Ireland - their pots, their houses, their burial-sites, their coins, their horse-fittings - exist here. As Barry Raftery, one of the leading authorities on Iron Age Ireland, puts it of the presumed Celtic invasion, “It seems strange that a warrior aristocracy supposedly responsible for imposing so many aspects of its culture on the indigenous population . . . should have had almost no impact on the archaeological record.” In fact, what both archaeology and genetic studies show is continuity - broadly the same people who built Newgrange continuing to inhabit the island, speaking a version of the language of the Atlantic seaboard from which they had originated.
"Celt" is an Oxford myth, when applied to the inhabitants of the British islands. It absolutely was indeed applied to ancient people, and no it was not merely an exonym umbrella term for barbarian/foreigner, as many people seem to throw around, but an actual endonym, which some populations used to describe themselves. We have written evidence of the Gauls from Massalia (Marseille) calling themselves Keltoi, the Lusitani calling themselves "Celti" and Tartessian inscriptions calling Gallaecians "Calti". So indeed the Celts existed as an actual self-defined identity which spanned at least from West Iberia across southern France to Northern Italy (Which coincidentally is an area which clusters genetically) Now the real bizzare myth that continuously gets peddled is the assumption that the Iron Age culture of La Tene is standard for what "Celtic" means, or that it was the vector that spread the languages across Western Europe. As you quite correctly pointed out "the same people who built Newgrange continuing to inhabit the island, speaking a version of the language of the Atlantic seaboard from which they had originated".
@@danocinneide1885 They probably had their own name for the Island, and a they probably identified as a different population to the Britons who had suffered significant influx of continental migration during the Iron Age.
@@danocinneide1885 Which ancient Irish? The Book of Invasions has a bunch of myths from various sources mashed together. The three names of Ireland may be remembering three names from different periods or peoples. Were the Cruithin native to Ireland or did they spill over from Britain? Perhaps they were the remains of the original British while their cousins in Albion adopted p-Celtic. Who knows. The first geographers bundled the Islands together under a single name which was different to the names of the two main islands given. That suggests that British identity of some kind linked the two islands together. Certainly during the Bronze Age Britain is the place where gold lunulae are most likely to be found outside Ireland where they appear to originate.
@@damionkeeling3103 Do you really mean that speculating "who knows" gives way the first geographers bundling the 2 islands together under a single name ...what was that name? and who gave it, and when, and what are the sources? How did ancient Gaelic Ireland have a distinct language , legal system, mythology high King, religion, culture, music, instruments, dance , bardic poetry for thousands of years...when by comparison the idea of GB was only establshed in 1707. Also, the current idea of "Britain", was in reality the land called Wales, and some other patches around it - the rest of what is now called "Britain" was made up largely of diverse areas with different languages and cultures - such as Caledonia - now known as Scotland.
Personally, I think that you are doing a good thing by doing this, but I think you should join Iolo in revitalizing Gaels and Celts. This should be done by shifting language concerning the religion. We deserve a folkish religion, and the idea that everything is lost or totally rewritten is bunk. Comparative mythology is showing more and more that the Indo-European world shared many commonalities. We are not fools - we can carefully move forward as we reconnect with the divine, in our own tribal way. We need this. Maybe you don't agree, but this is gonna keep going on. If you are like me and you hate wicca and neo-druid universalists, then you should focus more and more on being folkish, so that our folk can grow stronger in every way, not just debunking. We have been slacking on our relationship with the ancestors, nature, and the divine. A lot of the arguments used against having a folkish religion are weak - the divine is all around us, and our ancestors are the literal reason we are alive. It's time we study with open hearts and careful academic study to find something to work with that is real. It can work, you just need to keep looking brother! Fàilte buaidhe!
Germanic heathen here, and totally agreed. Nothing is every truly lost. It is the Christian way to seek spirituality in text, but it's in our blood and souls. I propose that we can regenerate all the lost ways in the same way that they were first created, which is with the gnosis of shamanism, meditation, communication with the gods, and observation of the cycles and wisdom of the natural world.
This kinda sounds like a gripe I've been having a hard time putting into words. I see plenty of people around me wanting to connect to their roots, the spiritual need, etc etc you know how it is. Like you can criticize Christians in the US for not knowing the full history of their religion, 'corrupting' it, etc. but I oddly find that ok? Like, there's so many different kinds of Christians and Muslims and Buddhists, and not every Hindu is (fill in offensive description). I imagine the people living old 'celtic' Ireland could believe what they believed while also having one too many and pissing on a tree. Not to say I wanna go around just claiming this label for the lols. I actually mean the complete opposite.
@@xortel4725 I am certain the Druids and Brehons had a robust system they were passing down to the populace. However I agree with the sentiment - we can simply start being folkish once more, there is no need to create new things and make up crap, nor is there a need to abandon all the old stuff. We aren't Gaels from the bronze or iron age. We are Gaels of the modern era. We will be different no matter what.
Good video. However, let me challenge the idea that the four quarter days are Celtic in origin. As you mention, the 2nd century BC Roman Gaul Coligny calendar is only split into halves and not quarters, the later reflects the classical world from which Irish Christianity originated. The Coligny calendar is divided into the halves of Samonios (for summer) and Giamonios (for winter), which have cognates in Samain and Gamain, in Old Irish. Gamain is associated with the month of November, also called 'Mi Gam' or 'month of winter' (the Bible infers that the 9th month is the start of winter). Six months prior to 'Mi Gam' would be 'Mi Sam,' 'month of summer,' but it is actually called 'Cet Shamain,' '1st Samain,' i.e., the first month of summer. It also contains the Christian feast of All Souls, where in Irish texts on Samain, the forces of the maiden (aka summer) defeat the Cailleach (aka winter), that was moved to the first day of winter.
Yeah, except the Mounds in Bru Na Boinne Valley Ireland detail all the Key days of the Solstice Celandar, dating to before the Great Pyramids. For example Callendais, and Caledonia, like the Caledonian Boar killed by Hercules, King of Tyre, aka Jerusalem Caledonia being derived from Caldean, who also had the same calendar found at Calendais, hence Macdonald and Maceadonia, the Staff of Adonis Sooo
We don't know what it's split into though given many of the month names are guesses. The Irish year was split in half in any case with quotes from stories suggesting the year started with either Samhain or Beltane but those two heralded the start of each half.
@@Uncanny_Mountain Just because the megaliths detail these things doesn't mean the iron or bronze age Irish were concerned about them. The medieval Irish weren't and the stones were still around then. You'd think if the Druids had much to do with such stones the Romans would mention them in Britain but they only mention groves and during the Roman period the pagan practices are confined to small temples of a type similar to Gaul suggesting common origin and watery places. Consider too that all these megalithic sites are that, megalithic. There's no suggestion that bronze and iron age people were building such things which strongly points to a lost knowledge of what these sites were. They don't even appear in Irish and Welsh myth except perhaps as entrances to the underworld, fairy mounds - again suggesting the original knowledge of solar events had been lost.
@@damionkeeling3103 incredulity fallacy So all I have to say is I don't believe you and I won the argument Great stuff 👍 FYI the average Irish folk had modern astronomy knowledge equivalent to the 1830s, and no one can say why. Because it was incorporated into the Comedies Tragedies and Theatrical Stories retold in Song and Nursery Rhymes Poms are even called Pommies after the Pomegranate, used in Mithric Rites as a Wine Apple, it's name Punicum Malum means Carthaginian apple, the Forbidden fruit. Israel means Fruit of Isis and Ra and is the Phoenician word for Saturn. Or El, celebrated at Saturnalia when the Sun died and rose again three days later on the Winter Solstice at Xmas 🎄 Carthage was a colony of Tyre, which is found in Trent, McKenna means Fire born, Gael, Gaul, Galilee, Galatians, Gaelic, Cmrry Camelot, Karmel, even Thames is named for Isis and Ra, and London for Lugh or Luke, or Loki, or Lucifer the Light bringer or Son. Jews were Druis, Iberian Celts, Bronze Age England was home to ancient Mystery Schools same as Turkey and Egypt and Byblos. The Caledonian Boar is a reference to the shape of Wales, which uses the Iblis or Red Dragon, the symbol of the Tribe of Dan. The Union Jack uses the same Solstice calendar as the Celts, who also had roads and chariots and fleets of trading swan ships. It was an advanced society subjected to genocide by the usual culprits, Rome
Well said. This brings up all sorts of questions about whether Celtic paganism both *could* and *should* be reconstructed as it was. So much is lost that we have to guess at the former a lot, as you said. Regarding the latter, some of the ways of our ancestors would not be tenable for living in a modern world. The fact that the desire remains to connect with our collective past is a noble thing, I think. But we also have to live in the present. Seeing how such ancient beliefs and ancestral yearnings take hold in the modern day and why is absolutely fascinating.
The OBOD makes it known that not everything within the course work or practice is 100 percent factual. What else are people to do to reconnect to their roots when the culture, identity, belief structures and practices of their ancestors were annihilated or appropriated?
The important part though is that they are up front about it instead of making claims and leading people astray just because they want to seem more "Authentic." They do as they can how they can to help but know that as much as they can try to figure things out legitimately there is still a lot of stuff that we don't know because people got sword and fire happy.
Thanks @johnfogarty91! And I'm sure you found it already @Sol-Amar but I get most of my images via Wikimedia Commons, including that one: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_Atkinson_Hornel_-_Druids_Bringing_In_The_Mistletoe.jpg
1962 topographic map of Ireland, it's the HOLY GRAIL, clear as day, no one else noticed the Pig King in the purple robe holding a golden skull with inscriptions on the mountains creating a Megalithic Biblical account?
I think paganism in general is open-ended and allows for "ancient secrets" to be unearthed using dreams and visions. So the fact that he used laudanum proves the veracity of his teaching, even though the dates are a bit skewed.
@@disdroid Exactly. This is the only way to actually bring back the old ways, otherwise it just digresses into a kind of armchair intellectualism with no real spiritual substance. I'm a heathen and I left all heathen circles because of their constant obsession and restriction to a small handful of texts... no real form of spirituality can grow unless there are new elements, new perspectives, new works... We have to bring back shamanism in one form or another in order to actually reconstruct anything, or it's just gonna be obsessing over ancient texts and a past that's long gone instead of creating a new future.
Hi there, fascinated about J J Toland, is this Toland of 'Christianity not Mysterious' 1670-1722? I never heard about his involvement but it makes a lot of sense!!
Most European Pagan traditions are difficult to reconstruct, as most tradtions were orally transmitted. What written tidbits there are come either from Christian writers, or conquerors. This is why i stick mostly to an Animist Folk Heathenry, and do not bother myself much with Gods per se. More intuitive this way, and besides, i live in North America...not Europa.
Yes! I will definitely cover Merlin in the future. In the meantime, I've written about him pretty extensively over on IrishMyths.com if you're interested... -Was Merlin a Real Person? irishmyths.com/2022/06/01/merlin/ -Was Merlin a Druid? irishmyths.com/2022/06/05/merlin-druid/ -Was Merlin Inspired by Irish Mythology? irishmyths.com/2022/06/21/celtic-wild-man/
@@irishmyths You have a spelling mistake there - when mentioning Myrddin becoming Merlin you've put "i" instead of "l". I wonder if the origin of the character isn't a survival of a forest god like Gwydion. Some of the gods after Christianity came along got 'old' attached to them to represent an ancient entity rather than aged so it wouldn't be too great a leap to then imagine a later rendering of the character as an old person. Taliesin himself is linked with Gwion who must be a variant of Gwynn ap Nudd given the similarity of Gwion's story with that of Finn MacCool's and Finn's similar name to Gwynn. Finn's grandfather being Nuada. They all appear to be wisdom/hunting gods of the Apollo type, sometimes tied up with the Wild Hunt.
Ok but wait, the Celts came from the Gaels. The Gaels were the Fianna - Finician - Phoenicians. The word Phony comes from Phoenician for a reason. Dagda is Baal Sammin, Beal Samhan in Ireland. The Scythian Canaanites were the Irish Gaels. We know a lot about their religion. Read Charles Vallancey, Anne Wilkes, Conor MacDari, Comyns Beaumont.
@@EclecticCircleOfMagic No I had a look there is it the same kinda stuff as Mind Unveiled? I don't get my info from videos much, I mainly read old sources
Yup I talk about the Celtic cross-quarter days in the second half of the video. More info on them here too if you're interested: th-cam.com/play/PLoBFeQEuiBkxuz1i8vOLtb_poYZ0pjIaU.html&si=MeX3gCA0boDTi6VE
The druid tradition is to collect 3 boys about 10-13 they each will learn as much as possible. Laws, medicine poetry ect, this stems from the last reset so we can restart civilisation
Your Welsh pronunciation is a touch off, at least as it's pronounced in English. I'm Scottish, but have been living in Wales for 25 years, so hearing Glamorgan and Morganwg pronounced like that made me turn my head.
Every neo paganism is exactly what it is. Neo. And have little if anything to do with the religious practices of the people at the time. Practices which are hard or almost impossible to reconstruct due to the lack of sources and time span
I never really thought much of modern celtic neo-paganism or reconstructism. A big cornerstone of Celtic religious practice was divining. Whether it was missiltoe in trees, the trees themselves, wind passing through the trees, or entrails from sacrificed animals. Modern neo-pagans don't wanna do any of that yet that's was how the ancestors lived... in nature.. They even had a God of Nature Cernnunos. Beyond that they don't even acknowledge the significance of water in the old relegion. Springs, rivers, and bogs were seen as spiritual places. Springs and rivers seats of potential divinity. Lakes and bogs as gateways to the otherworld. It always seemed to me that by tossing dead bodies into the bogs they thought they were sending their souls into the otherworld. Yet nobody wants to resurrect these traditions as they seem creepy, strange, or evil. Despite the fact that the people there trying to emulate did not see it that way. Without Nemeta celtic relegion isn't really traditional celtic relegion. The celts thought it was strange the Greeks and Romans carved graven images of their gods. Yet modern celtic neo-pagans love using exactly that.😂 it's just very bizzare to cut whole mainstays out of relegion because you find it distasteful or bizzare... yet you claim to honor the memory of the people who believed profoundly in such distasteful things🤨🤣.
Well some groups do sacrifice within the law, but only animals are allowed apparently and it is in mainly instances where sacrifice is better than the meat factories they claim. As for humans it would probably take religiously assisted euthanasia being legalized to be allowed I think. Even then in the past it wasn't just random humans. Mainly its reconstructionists and not the revivalists, just some of the more "Orthodox" reconstructionists are afraid of being ostracised if they publicly state their views or wanting religious euthanasia legalized. As for Cernnunos, nobody knows whether he was a "god of nature" or just the mediator between all opposites. "Distasteful" or not is really subjective in the end depending on opinion but all cultural perspectives should be respected.
@@novicedruid8303 I wasn't suggesting bringing back human sacrifice. Obviously burning people alive in wicker effigies or leaving people in trees to rot as human sacrifices is inhumane. However animals are a different story. We have no qualms about hunting or fishing and slaughtering a cow to make hamburgers. Sacrificing them shouldn't be looked at as odd or scary. The bulk of what Druids did was divination and a large part of that included the remains of sacrifices. How that worked is anyone's guess. There's no real way to fix how broader public will view this though. Obviously to people in abrahamic faiths it'll be looked as high blasphemy and straight up bizarre to everyone else. There isn't a real way around that sadly. However what people on their private land is another matter. It only takes one person to donate a small place somewhere and wider world doesn't need to know. Well regardless of anyone thinks you can't deny that ancient Celts did perceive natural water sources it as a sort of liminal space. I'll admit that I don't know that much about revivalists, but as far reconstructionist, it really depends most upon what happens to the souls and or bodies of the deceases after death. Depending on the tribe in the ancient past I suppose you would get a different answer, but a large majority did bury their dead in marsh like places, so I think from a religious pov that needs to be more studied.
"Vates" is pronounced either /vay-tees/ (the common English pronunciation), /wah-tayss/ (Classical Latin), or /vah-tayss/ (Liturgical Latin). All pronunciations are approximate due to the deficiencies of using the regular Latin alphabet to represent the sounds.
"Forger" seems awfully harsh compared to how authors writing before ~300ce got treated for doing the exact same kind of stuff... This guy could have rightfully titled himself a Saint! Get "Daniel" to vouch for him...
@@lococomrade3488 actually our earliest writings come from around the 3rd Century BCE, and we have none of the original Hebrew texts So you're referring to the Greek tradition of Sabazios Not Arkenaten
@@lococomrade3488 I mean... yes, obviously. But why should that matter exactly? If you're going to post-date and misattribute your work anyways what's a few centuries here or there between artists?
Thanks to the romans we have virtually no real information on the druids or at least nothing non biases...even with the best intentions and respect for the beliefs of the ancient pict ..its all neopagan guessvwork based on other shamanic practices. No one now is a ( druid ) nor should anyone claim that title . My family are scothirish and welsh im in the 25 % scotish ancestry that actually has the documented pictich haplogroup ...im not a druid...nor do i know with any more level of certainty how they actually practiced then anyone else ...sad but true ..celtic animist would b a more accurate term .
It's good to make distinctions and tell the truth but Abramists destroyed most of everything before them and any traditions had to go underground. Some understanding and context should be applied to reconstructionists. We should be honest about the evidence and texts that exist but we should still put the pieces together.
You need to really study ancient texts including philosophy and history to understand the views of the ancients. Honestly, most if not all pagan revival, is nothing more than the revival of abrahamic religions under the guidance of expectations and money (as always!). As far as I am concerned, since there is nothing left of value to sell these days, the selling of the past flourishes.
re: midpoints, I talk about Celtic cross-quarter days in the second half of the video. Also got a lot of info on them here if you're interested: th-cam.com/play/PLoBFeQEuiBkxuz1i8vOLtb_poYZ0pjIaU.html&si=MeX3gCA0boDTi6VE
There is no mention of the wheel of the year in any Celtic tradition. It was invented from the 1950s onwards. Having festivals at midpoints doesn't imply a wheel in any way.
@@disapearingboi because it was never called a “wheel.” The celts used an annual solar calendar. Actually most of Europe and beyond did. The Celtic festivals within the solar “wheel” calendar are Samhain, Imbolc, Lughnasadh, and Beltaine. Those 4 festivals placed into the circular annual calendar based on the 4 solar events makes an x-shaped cross. The Scottish saltire underwent syncretism, for example. Then the t-shaped cross in Britain is Litha, Mabon, Yule, and Ostara, the Germanic festivals. Those festivals are the calendar that forms the wheel within Britain and Ireland. The (sun) cross is ancient in Ireland and Britain and beyond.
@@disapearingboi where do you think the UK flag came from? The mixing of the two flags, the Celtic saltire, the Germanic English flag, the mixing of the two peoples. Syncretism. The Celtics x Germanics whom had to convert to Christianity to avoid persecution. The celts had the X-shaped cross and the Celtic cross (sun cross) before the Germanic peoples came. Just look at the chalk drums from Yorkshire, the Birds Eye view of Callanais standing stones, the internal architecture of Newgrange. The solstices were always important in addition to the midpoints. The midpoints are important for timing the farming (and that’s not even highlighting the spirituality of that timing, only practicality), and the solstices important for worshipping the sun. Making sure it will come back. Be reborn and bring us light, again, for the vegetation, for life.
@@lococomrade3488 But isn't that what you're doing? But you can never be wrong so Divine infallibility fallacy The irony of self annointed Academic Wannabes
@Uncanny_Mountain Nope. Not by any means. My stance is laid out by empirical evidence. Not the little hopes and wishes you seem to be driven by. Go on. Show me a point I've made. Show me a stance that can be fact checked. O that's right. I didn't present any. You're off your rocker and clearly butthurt. Come back when you believe something factual.
@@rustyshackelford3590 Vikings were unbeatable in war but paganism lost to Christianity when missionaries simply said “If you convert the chief can’t cuck you and steal your wife”. And like that it fell
Christianity won due to threats of physical violence and evangelism combined with the fact it was a inheritor if a much more advance sophisticated culture created by pagan peoples. Evangelism isn't apart of any pagan religion and is mostly rooted in that particular area. That's why it won. It could appeal to everyone not just xyz people and was offered to everyone. Pagan Cultures would never dream of doing something like this unless like the Greeks or Romans through conquest.
@@Not-Ap Incorrect. Actually amazingly Christianity is a religion that for the first 300 years of its existence had no state backing no standing army and was harshly persecuted and STILL spread all over Europe By the time we got to the Vikings the Vikings were unbeatable in war and paganism was actually beat without war because missionaries said “look if you convert to Christianity our religion believes one woman for each man and the chief and his warriors can’t just steal your wife and impregnate her and cuck you whenever they feel like it (a common practice in pagan cultures) this was such a motivator that Christianity overtook paganism despite being the side that was worse at war. The Crusades came over 1000 years later after the Church and Rome became 100% entwined and if you look at the Crusades it was just a repeat of the same people doing what they did 1000 years ago which is why there were Romans occupying Jerusalem at Christianity’s inception in the first place. Blaming it on the religion is pagan loser propaganda Rome was just doing what it ALWAYS DID even when they were pagans!
@@Not-Ap Incorrect. Actually amazingly Christianity is a religion that for the first 300 years of its existence had no state backing no standing army and was harshly persecuted and STILL spread all over Europe By the time we got to the Vikings the Vikings were unbeatable in war and paganism was actually beat without war because missionaries said “look if you convert to Christianity our religion believes one woman for each man and the chief and his warriors can’t just steal your wife and impregnate her and cuck you whenever they feel like it (a common practice in pagan cultures) this was such a motivator that Christianity overtook paganism despite being the side that was worse at war. The Crusades came over 1000 years later after the Church and Rome became 100% entwined and if you look at the Crusades it was just a repeat of the same people doing what they did 1000 years ago which is why there were Romans occupying Jerusalem at Christianity’s inception in the first place. Blaming it on the religion is pagan loser propaganda Rome was just doing what it ALWAYS DID even when they were pagans!
The supposed connections between Christianity and paganism were invented by very Iolo-esque people. Many of the supposed parallels require tackling the question of whether rocks can be virgins.
You could have learned how to pronounce Iolo's surname correctly, and if that was too tough, surely getting Glamorgan right shouldn't have been too hard? Or Tain? Pronunciations aside, good video. We all know Iolo was a forger, if an inspired one. Since no-one knows anything about the ancient Druids with any reliability, except a few fragments from the untrustworthy writings of Caesar, almost all Druidry stems from the Druid revival, John Toland onwards. Strabo, Pliny, Tacitus etc.. were not writing contemporaneously and never actually met a Druid. So every Druid is a neo-Druid, though "neo" goes back to the seventeenth century. We are in a tradition of weirdoes, eccentrics, scholars both amateur and professional, radicals, frauds, mystics, hippies, magicians and revolutionaries, all of us taking our spiritual inspirations and projecting them back onto the blank that is The Ancient Druids. There are those who study Iolo's system and work with it, while others place more emphasis on ecological concerns, or the arts. It's not so open and shut about the wheel of the year as you make out, though - yep, in its modern iteration it was jointly the work of Gerald Gardner and Ross Nichols, but the ancient Irish definitely celebrated the fire festival and there are monuments aligned to the other festivals, so whether they were celebrated or not, they were certainly significant.
Thanks for the comment. Here's my reference pronunciation for Morganwg: th-cam.com/video/b2eIbtHhsRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7A3UkVq78zbleEdp Here's my reference pronunciation for Táin forvo.com/word/t%C3%A1in_b%C3%B3_cuailnge/
Wiccan history is a modern invention as well.
Nothing wrong with that new religions are created all the time even Christianity was invented at some point in history it’s just important we don’t create historical forgeries as iolo did I’m would also like to see a Celtic revival in the form of the Gaelic language and culture but I want it done in a way that’s truthful and respects our history I accept that things won’t be exactly as they were nor should they be but to bring back the culture in a way that makes sense for modern people
@@Alasdair37448 there ate qualtachts in Ireland where irish gealic is their first language. Celtic culture is historically comes from middle Europe, the last "celts" are in Ireland, Scotland, Cornwall, the isle of white, Wales and Catalan. I'm sure I'm missing a place or two.
The idea of celtic history that we have now in Ireland is pretty much a fabrication invented in the 20s when we gained independence and wanted something culturally to cling to.
Most cultural history as told by the culture claiming it re fabrications based on ideas that we want to project. If we were to be honest about it there would e a huge amount of "we don't know"s
@@Alasdair37448 I kinda want to agree with you, except many modern "religions" are thinly veiled sex cults.
@@Alasdair37448 the problem with fake ancient history is how it links to conspiracy nut and often far right pipeline and you get people radicalized because their brain is a mush of "tr00 kvlt trad ancient aryan" bull based on 19th century forgeries and NS propaganda.
True, but I know few Wiccans who believe the religion is older than the 18th century at most. I also know most Christians aren't Creationists, and most Creationists aren't Christians, so using Wiccan Literalists as an example of invalidating the religion holds as much weight as using YECs to invalidate Christianity.
I had a brief interest in celtic reconstructionism a while back to kinda reconnect with history, but I got so frustrated with so many "factual" sources not really using facts at all. I even considered getting an Anwen tattoo. On one hand its sad to think that most of the stuff we know was invented by post-industrial nationalists, on the other hand the older more accurate information was just invented by regular people of the time. Still I would rather learn and appreciate whats true than what would make me feel better.
Yes, because everyone knows facts are subject to a specifc time period, and never existed before or after
We can only learn truth according to words in books written by Gods
But God themselves is incapable of anything 😂
Sadly it's most likely knowledge lost to time.
Ireland has 4 fire festivals and 4 solar festivals, pre-Celtic. We have megalithic archaeology and early Medieval writing to substantiate. Folklore substantiates the ongoing significance of our 8 indiginous festivals.
I love the Irish mythology, Those crazy Formorians coming out of the sea, Balors crazy eye. It's like Tolkien wrote that stuff. What are the festivals if you don't mind me asking? I could Google it I suppose, but somehow information obtained via a person is always more appreciated.
UK here btw, Irish genetic haplo type, grandparents were Irish, so auburn, freckles and love fighting.
@@DEXTROBILLsolar festivals are the equinoxes and solstices, fire festivals are Bealtaine, Lughnasdh, Samhain and Imbolg. And hi Ailish long time no see ❤️
But all native folklore about those festivals is entirely secular and has nothing to do with paganism.
@@derekpmoore I guess it depends on your definition of paganism. If you the pre Christian indigenous spiritual practices of Ireland as Pagan then it does have something to do with it. If you are talking about modern neo-paganism co-opting our traditions then yes it’s synthetic.
I think there's only four, the other four included have been lifted from Germanic religion as I understand it.
I agree with Prof Ronald Hutton that spiritual practices don't have to be ancient to be meaningful. Nor do you really need to know all the history and origins of a practice to find it helpful. But it's fair enough to debunk claims of ancient origins where they are exaggerated or unsubstantiated. Plus many contemporary Pagan ideas are at least inspired by ancient cultures.
Prof Bullsheet with bugs bunny teeth - the man is a total W⚓️
Well said
Except this stuff is ancient this is an American talking about things they know nothing about actually feel Welsh or Irish person about these matters not a globalist yank with an agenda
I'm proud to say my religion is new. The old ones just aren't doing it anymore, if they ever did in the first place.
@@Fr.O.G. long story short this guy who makes the videos he writes a bunch of books it's all bulshit he's not a Celtic person certainly not Irish. I am a Celtic person many of my compatriots are scholars and academics within our culture these videos reflect nothing outside of American cultural appropriation. A American is not going to understand our people without a concerted effort in learning which a fantasy writer is not going to do. The information is out there to learn fantasy writers never bother they never bother learning the languages they never bother learning anything beyond the few tropes they can appropriate. I don't speak Japanese if I write a story about a dragon and a samurai it's gonna be s***do anybody who knows what they're talking about. Because the dragon will be European and the samurai will probably be a peasant that earned the position rather than a noble because I don't understand Japanese culture. Now you can argue well that doesn't mean I can't write a Japanese story accept it does that's exactly what it means it does mean that you would have to be f****** diluted to think otherwise. The sense of entitlement people to appropriate another culture they have not even bothered to learn the culture of will be criminal and it's people like the author of these videos that will have made it need to be prosecuted Rebecca Yaris JK Rowling there is a bunch of them they are all criminal in what they do.
Having spent many years studying the Brythonic traditions, I wholeheartedly agree with the information in this video. Iolo Morganwg created a wholly fictitious "druid tradition", which has made the study of Brythonic mythology far more difficult. The contemporary sources regarding the Druids, e.g. Caesars "De Bello Gallico", the Annals of Tacitus, etc. are written from the point of view of the Imperial Romans, with the bias of someone who considers themselves superior to the peoples they are writing about.
This is a very good point. The way that Romans described the Celts was what we would call propaganda today and it could be argued that Romans more or less invented propaganda as a way to demean their enemies with written word, against peoples who mostly relied on oral tradition. So now, historians only have the Roman accounts to work with, and these do not paint an accurate picture. Julius Caesar's depictions of the Britons alone is so obviously false that it cannot be regarded as historically accurate.
I realize spelling isn't all important but you might want to correct the Annals
De Bello Gallico wasn’t only written with a sense of cultural superiority, it was also a piece which sought to justify even further Roman invasions beyond the Gauls, and simultaneously portray Caesar as a godlike figure while he was still a consul, in preparation for his ultimate goal of starting an empire. A three-pronged piece of propaganda like that is better than historical fiction, but not by all that much.
@nape1475 I've noticed this argument made in various forms when discussing the writing of Romans on the peoples they conquered.
Granted, Caesar and the rest of the Romans were obviously writing with a "bias," and I would challenge anyone past or present to produce an account of Celtic history, or any history of any subject, that was not written with a "bias." It's one of the fundamental challenges of human interaction that we cannot at any point objectively represent things that have already happened.
But Romans are not just guilty of bias, say many, they are guilty of PROPAGANDA, even of "inventing" propaganda to "justify" the invasions and conquests of their Emperors. Let us just take a moment to step back and analyze what the fans of the cause are saying, and I am here as an explorer of history, Celtic or otherwise, and a seeker of truth like many here, I am not singling out the "Celtic squad."
The issue with this take on the Roman descriptions of the Celts is that the Romans did not need "propaganda." Caesar didn't have to justify the mass enslavement of Gauls. Roman citizens were witness to gruesome bloodsport in their colliseums because this was the kind of conditioning a culture based upon conquest and exploitation required to go about its business without getting all soft in the middle.
There was gold in Britain, and Celts were weaker than Romans. That's all the "propaganda" a Roman general needed to get going.
Propaganda was only important when the subject concerned *Roman citizenry*. Who gets to be called "Roman?"" Who mattered in Rome, which families? Outside of this, you didn't need much of an excuse so long as you were not humiliating the home team in failures abroad.
One sees the same rhetoric among the revisionists of Aztec history who claim that Spain painted the Aztecs (who also engaged in widespread human sacrifice, even cannibalism) as excessively brutal as "propaganda" to justify the plunder of Tenochitlan. When one reads of the proclamations of Emperor Philip regarding the treatment of Dutch protestants (they're uh, BAD), it's hard to wrap one's head around this sudden concern for public sentiment. Beyond the yelps of a few monks, nobody cared as long as the silver ships arrived on time.
There was no need for Romans to make Celtic society appear savage in order to justify cassus belli. Caesar himself was concerned about his own image, certainly; that he was a patient, practical daddy who forgave his enemies (if they were Roman) and was rational and modest and so forth. Maybe his accounts are less biased then would be a native writing on the same subject?
@@eschsoapy2809 Of course Caesar needed propaganda, he had started a war without getting permission (much less an order) to do so by his government, which consisted of political opponents
I am Irish and i was once talking with an English celtic pagan and i was trying to help and give her some critical thibking advice and explaining to her ti try and be careful with her sources and double check everything and to really try and evaluate what and why shebwas beloeving these things. I really tried to hit hime that not every character in itish mythology was a god, and that many weren't technically speaking "real gods" as some were simply metaphorical characters, allegories, christian themes, or completely fictional and solely found in the stiries but were never actually worshipped and that many of the characterisations wr have today arent accurate or historical. And she fully turned to me and says don't worry i know which ones are real when I astral project to the fae realm. I mentioned again to be careful because a lot of stuff is genuinely false and lies. Abd this girl turned to me and says that i should stop disrespecting her religion and telling her it's not real and im sitting there like... Miss... Your religion is my culture? Like get to fuck?
Eh you're irish not a celt. So no your culture is not her religion. And for heavens sake get a grip she's not a historian looking for facts. She's a spiritual seeker looking for enlightenment and drieing her weird. It doesn't matter if its lord of the rings Alistair Crowley or catholic catcheism its all made up and no bloody gods are real and some not. None are. Gods dont exist other than in the minds of people playing with stories so of course she can tell which ones are real and not by astral projection. If materialism is your religion and youve no sense of what shes on then you need somone to tell you what is written and what is not written what has an old book snd what doesnt. Not everyone needs some material verification for their rleigious or spiritual practice you're a good catholic perhaps and wait for the preists to point to the catechism or a passage in the bible to say the prayer lest you might do something heretical. Dont worry for other people that they will get lost if theyre not following your map.
Also Irish. I remember the first time I saw footage on TV of a "celtic druid" chanting at stonehenge during the summer solstice and I just burst out laughing at the absurdity of the whole "show".
@@adrianred236 yeah all religion is absurd. Its no more absurd than Catholicism.
@@Padraigp I fully agree. What I found rediculous in that instance thought is that there is no written record of what pagan practices were and here's some fool chanting at the sky proclaiming to be a druid.
@adrianred236 I don’t understand the harm in reconstructing a lost practice, but it should be made known that it’s not all facts. Which the OBOD does in its introductory work. There are always going to be people who claim something without ever having done any real research or work in the field. Laughing at people who are trying to reconnect to their roots that were stolen and appropriated is cruel.
I almost prefer knowing that it's not ancient. Just like most neopagan music is not meant to be accurate at all. Sadly, ancient celtic ways were shattered like most other tribal cultures around the world. But modern paganism is less about trying to live the old way and more about learning from the past to better the future.
Very well said!
Einar selvik(lead singer of wardruna) even said his music isn't supposed to a accurate depiction of music from history.
Cultural traditions have changed many times throughout the ages, and will continue to do so.
I wonder how many times this was done in history for even older traditions and cultures.
Been saying this forever. Thank you. Now tell them how Babylonian zodiac signs are not Celtic for the people in the back.
Well, the Zodiac is the Zodiac. The point is 12 asterisms observed changing monthly along a very specific part of the sky. Granted, if the idea of Partholon being Greek had any accuracy, the Greek Zodiac could've influenced something along the line. And the Greek Zodiac was adopted from the Babylonian one. Granted that's a pretty Purple Monkey Dishwasher of a connection lol
The only celtic writing system was Ogham, don’t know how anyone thought Babylonian Zodiac signs have anything to do with us lol.
@@ahopeforliterally 😂
Who’s tying those together?
Like the mythology? Lol
Says who? Are you God?
Or just a Princess?
Druid of Phoenicia*
Aka Canaan
Aka "Israel"
Or Assyria
Or Chaldea, like Caledonia, Scotland, named for the Scythians, and Albion, meaning White, like Albania, and Liban Lebanon meaning White.
Hebrews were Iberian Celts, and have no connection to Master Race Insanity
@@ahopefor and Hebrew
Where do you think the got the Zodiac Einstein
What do you think Stonehenge is for 😂
The Gaulish month Samonios is usually equated with the start of summer similar to the Old Irish term cetsamhuin which became Céitemain/Ceitean - another name for May Day/Beltaine, the first (cet) day of summer (sam).
Another Gaulish month Giamonios which comes exactly six months after Samonios shares a cognate with Gamain in Old Irish which was the name for the month we now call Samhain. Gamain was also known as Gamthos meaning beginning of winter.
This fits better with the idea that Samhain comes from 'end of Summer'. So Samonios is not actually Samhain as counter-intuitive as it seems.
As a Welshman? Good video. People need to know the truth.
Thank you!
Thank you for addressing the (questionable) contributions of Iolo Morganwg - and for adding much information I didn't know. I think my biggest disappointment with his attempt to recreate Celtic paganism to suit himself was his super-imposition of a monotheistic supreme being (Hu Gadarn I believe). And you raise a valuable point in differentiating between "recreationists" and "reconstructionists." I would have had much more respect for Edward Williams if he had been honest about which of these he was. The problem of reconstructing Celtic pagan religion lies both in the fallacy of a single, universal Celtic paganism, and that those collected beliefs did not change over the duration of Celtic ascendancy in Europe. Contact with various different cultures in different regions would have influenced local beliefs. Druids could never have exercised any central dogmatic authority over all Celts like some pagan predecessor to the Roman Catholic Church. And of course we have very little contemporary evidence.
So just happened to know about the Morgai of Dionysus, whose name is also found in Britain, where the Phoenicians aka Jews got their Tin
And Asherah totally isnt a reference to Ellah
The Celtic word for Oak
Iolo is much less reliable than the Ultima games would have one believe.
Fun fact, "Hergest" was the mental health hospital in Gwynedd. Fun place.
The whole term 'Celt' is an Oxford myth in the first place, created by Edward Lhuyd a polymath keeper of the Ashmolean Museum, and popularised in a book called The Antiquities of Nations.
“There never was a Celtic invasion of Ireland or Britain. The identity of a
Celtic Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany dates back, not to the mists of
time, but to 1707” (Just after the first Act of Union in fact). There is an
Iron Age material culture that is evident in findings from northern Europe
between Paris and Prague. It is named after a site in Switzerland called La
Tène and is associated with what we call the Celts (there is no evidence that
these people ever used the term or even identified themselves as a single
ethnic group). And none of the things you would find if these people invaded or
migrated to Ireland - their pots, their houses, their burial-sites, their
coins, their horse-fittings - exist here. As Barry Raftery, one of the leading
authorities on Iron Age Ireland, puts it of the presumed Celtic invasion, “It
seems strange that a warrior aristocracy supposedly responsible for imposing so
many aspects of its culture on the indigenous population . . . should have had
almost no impact on the archaeological record.” In fact, what both archaeology
and genetic studies show is continuity - broadly the same people who built
Newgrange continuing to inhabit the island, speaking a version of the language
of the Atlantic seaboard from which they had originated.
"Celt" is an Oxford myth, when applied to the inhabitants of the British islands. It absolutely was indeed applied to ancient people, and no it was not merely an exonym umbrella term for barbarian/foreigner, as many people seem to throw around, but an actual endonym, which some populations used to describe themselves. We have written evidence of the Gauls from Massalia (Marseille) calling themselves Keltoi, the Lusitani calling themselves "Celti" and Tartessian inscriptions calling Gallaecians "Calti".
So indeed the Celts existed as an actual self-defined identity which spanned at least from West Iberia across southern France to Northern Italy (Which coincidentally is an area which clusters genetically)
Now the real bizzare myth that continuously gets peddled is the assumption that the Iron Age culture of La Tene is standard for what "Celtic" means, or that it was the vector that spread the languages across Western Europe.
As you quite correctly pointed out "the same people who built Newgrange continuing to inhabit the island, speaking a version of the language of the Atlantic seaboard from which they had originated".
@@FaithfulOfBrigantiado perhaps mean to say that the ancient Irish considered Ireland to be a British Isle?
@@danocinneide1885
They probably had their own name for the Island, and a they probably identified as a different population to the Britons who had suffered significant influx of continental migration during the Iron Age.
@@danocinneide1885 Which ancient Irish? The Book of Invasions has a bunch of myths from various sources mashed together. The three names of Ireland may be remembering three names from different periods or peoples. Were the Cruithin native to Ireland or did they spill over from Britain? Perhaps they were the remains of the original British while their cousins in Albion adopted p-Celtic. Who knows. The first geographers bundled the Islands together under a single name which was different to the names of the two main islands given. That suggests that British identity of some kind linked the two islands together. Certainly during the Bronze Age Britain is the place where gold lunulae are most likely to be found outside Ireland where they appear to originate.
@@damionkeeling3103 Do you really mean that speculating "who knows" gives way the first geographers bundling the 2 islands together under a single name ...what was that name? and who gave it, and when, and what are the sources? How did ancient Gaelic Ireland have a distinct language , legal system, mythology high King, religion, culture, music, instruments, dance , bardic poetry for thousands of years...when by comparison the idea of GB was only establshed in 1707. Also, the current idea of "Britain", was in reality the land called Wales, and some other patches around it - the rest of what is now called "Britain" was made up largely of diverse areas with different languages and cultures - such as Caledonia - now known as Scotland.
Personally, I think that you are doing a good thing by doing this, but I think you should join Iolo in revitalizing Gaels and Celts. This should be done by shifting language concerning the religion. We deserve a folkish religion, and the idea that everything is lost or totally rewritten is bunk. Comparative mythology is showing more and more that the Indo-European world shared many commonalities. We are not fools - we can carefully move forward as we reconnect with the divine, in our own tribal way. We need this. Maybe you don't agree, but this is gonna keep going on.
If you are like me and you hate wicca and neo-druid universalists, then you should focus more and more on being folkish, so that our folk can grow stronger in every way, not just debunking. We have been slacking on our relationship with the ancestors, nature, and the divine. A lot of the arguments used against having a folkish religion are weak - the divine is all around us, and our ancestors are the literal reason we are alive. It's time we study with open hearts and careful academic study to find something to work with that is real. It can work, you just need to keep looking brother! Fàilte buaidhe!
Germanic heathen here, and totally agreed. Nothing is every truly lost. It is the Christian way to seek spirituality in text, but it's in our blood and souls. I propose that we can regenerate all the lost ways in the same way that they were first created, which is with the gnosis of shamanism, meditation, communication with the gods, and observation of the cycles and wisdom of the natural world.
What has been revealed could never be hidden again, and the gods had tasted blood, war and countless heads.
We need to get back to our Indo-European roots and worship Ganesh.
This kinda sounds like a gripe I've been having a hard time putting into words. I see plenty of people around me wanting to connect to their roots, the spiritual need, etc etc you know how it is. Like you can criticize Christians in the US for not knowing the full history of their religion, 'corrupting' it, etc. but I oddly find that ok? Like, there's so many different kinds of Christians and Muslims and Buddhists, and not every Hindu is (fill in offensive description). I imagine the people living old 'celtic' Ireland could believe what they believed while also having one too many and pissing on a tree. Not to say I wanna go around just claiming this label for the lols. I actually mean the complete opposite.
@@xortel4725 I am certain the Druids and Brehons had a robust system they were passing down to the populace. However I agree with the sentiment - we can simply start being folkish once more, there is no need to create new things and make up crap, nor is there a need to abandon all the old stuff.
We aren't Gaels from the bronze or iron age. We are Gaels of the modern era. We will be different no matter what.
Good video. However, let me challenge the idea that the four quarter days are Celtic in origin. As you mention, the 2nd century BC Roman Gaul Coligny calendar is only split into halves and not quarters, the later reflects the classical world from which Irish Christianity originated. The Coligny calendar is divided into the halves of Samonios (for summer) and Giamonios (for winter), which have cognates in Samain and Gamain, in Old Irish. Gamain is associated with the month of November, also called 'Mi Gam' or 'month of winter' (the Bible infers that the 9th month is the start of winter). Six months prior to 'Mi Gam' would be 'Mi Sam,' 'month of summer,' but it is actually called 'Cet Shamain,' '1st Samain,' i.e., the first month of summer. It also contains the Christian feast of All Souls, where in Irish texts on Samain, the forces of the maiden (aka summer) defeat the Cailleach (aka winter), that was moved to the first day of winter.
Yeah, except the Mounds in Bru Na Boinne Valley Ireland detail all the Key days of the Solstice Celandar, dating to before the Great Pyramids. For example Callendais, and Caledonia, like the Caledonian Boar killed by Hercules, King of Tyre, aka Jerusalem
Caledonia being derived from Caldean, who also had the same calendar found at Calendais, hence Macdonald and Maceadonia, the Staff of Adonis
Sooo
Very interesting, I will look into this! Thank you so much for watching and for this thoughtful comment
We don't know what it's split into though given many of the month names are guesses. The Irish year was split in half in any case with quotes from stories suggesting the year started with either Samhain or Beltane but those two heralded the start of each half.
@@Uncanny_Mountain Just because the megaliths detail these things doesn't mean the iron or bronze age Irish were concerned about them. The medieval Irish weren't and the stones were still around then. You'd think if the Druids had much to do with such stones the Romans would mention them in Britain but they only mention groves and during the Roman period the pagan practices are confined to small temples of a type similar to Gaul suggesting common origin and watery places. Consider too that all these megalithic sites are that, megalithic. There's no suggestion that bronze and iron age people were building such things which strongly points to a lost knowledge of what these sites were. They don't even appear in Irish and Welsh myth except perhaps as entrances to the underworld, fairy mounds - again suggesting the original knowledge of solar events had been lost.
@@damionkeeling3103 incredulity fallacy
So all I have to say is I don't believe you and I won the argument
Great stuff 👍
FYI the average Irish folk had modern astronomy knowledge equivalent to the 1830s, and no one can say why. Because it was incorporated into the Comedies Tragedies and Theatrical Stories retold in Song and Nursery Rhymes
Poms are even called Pommies after the Pomegranate, used in Mithric Rites as a Wine Apple, it's name Punicum Malum means Carthaginian apple, the Forbidden fruit. Israel means Fruit of Isis and Ra and is the Phoenician word for Saturn. Or El, celebrated at Saturnalia when the Sun died and rose again three days later on the Winter Solstice at Xmas 🎄
Carthage was a colony of Tyre, which is found in Trent, McKenna means Fire born, Gael, Gaul, Galilee, Galatians, Gaelic, Cmrry Camelot, Karmel, even Thames is named for Isis and Ra, and London for Lugh or Luke, or Loki, or Lucifer the Light bringer or Son.
Jews were Druis, Iberian Celts, Bronze Age England was home to ancient Mystery Schools same as Turkey and Egypt and Byblos. The Caledonian Boar is a reference to the shape of Wales, which uses the Iblis or Red Dragon, the symbol of the Tribe of Dan. The Union Jack uses the same Solstice calendar as the Celts, who also had roads and chariots and fleets of trading swan ships. It was an advanced society subjected to genocide by the usual culprits, Rome
Well said. This brings up all sorts of questions about whether Celtic paganism both *could* and *should* be reconstructed as it was. So much is lost that we have to guess at the former a lot, as you said. Regarding the latter, some of the ways of our ancestors would not be tenable for living in a modern world. The fact that the desire remains to connect with our collective past is a noble thing, I think. But we also have to live in the present. Seeing how such ancient beliefs and ancestral yearnings take hold in the modern day and why is absolutely fascinating.
Really great video! These reality checks are super important.
Infallibility fallacy isn't a reality check, its an exercise in Self Adulation, if you catch my drift
Thank you! I like being in the reality-checking business (which can be especially tricky when talking about mythology!)
The OBOD makes it known that not everything within the course work or practice is 100 percent factual. What else are people to do to reconnect to their roots when the culture, identity, belief structures and practices of their ancestors were annihilated or appropriated?
The important part though is that they are up front about it instead of making claims and leading people astray just because they want to seem more "Authentic." They do as they can how they can to help but know that as much as they can try to figure things out legitimately there is still a lot of stuff that we don't know because people got sword and fire happy.
Honestly though, culture almost never evolved in a vacuum.
I'm really enjoying these longer videos, great work! I was expecting a Iolo/YOLO pun :)
Hahaha definitely considered it! (And thanks for watching yet again!)
Yolo Swagging invented neo-celticism. Got it.
So he's like the father of modern Alt-history authors. And patron saint of fiction writers.
Edward Williams really said "YOLO"
I forced myself to pronounce it more like YAW-LO but definitely kept slipping into YOLO. So tricky
first commenter! love your videos
Thank you!!
It sounds like you pronounced 'Gorsedd' with a 'D'? A double d is a voiced 'th' sound, like in 'there'.
Ugh, totally fudged that one. Sorry about that. Should "Barddas" be pronounced "Barthas" then? I kept going back and forth on that one
@@irishmyths yea double d is always a voiced dental fricative /ð/ sound in Welsh
@@irishmyths also, a w is more like a /oo/ sound like spooky, and have fun with the double L lol
Image credit at 12:23 please?
The Druids: Bringing in the mistletoe
By Edward Atkinson
@@johnfogarty91 Thank you! 🌟
@@Sol-Amar you're most welcome
Thanks @johnfogarty91! And I'm sure you found it already @Sol-Amar but I get most of my images via Wikimedia Commons, including that one: commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edward_Atkinson_Hornel_-_Druids_Bringing_In_The_Mistletoe.jpg
very informative, thanks!!
Thanks for watching!
1962 topographic map of Ireland, it's the HOLY GRAIL, clear as day, no one else noticed the Pig King in the purple robe holding a golden skull with inscriptions on the mountains creating a Megalithic Biblical account?
I think paganism in general is open-ended and allows for "ancient secrets" to be unearthed using dreams and visions. So the fact that he used laudanum proves the veracity of his teaching, even though the dates are a bit skewed.
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Most people aren't going to understand this, because they still cling to the notion that spirituality comes from text and not from direct experience.
@@nape1475 literature is so spartan that anyone who wishes to revive the spirit of ancient times has to rely on dreams and visions of some kind
there would never have been a cthulhu cult at all if a nondescript author hadn't had a nightmare.
@@disdroid Exactly. This is the only way to actually bring back the old ways, otherwise it just digresses into a kind of armchair intellectualism with no real spiritual substance. I'm a heathen and I left all heathen circles because of their constant obsession and restriction to a small handful of texts... no real form of spirituality can grow unless there are new elements, new perspectives, new works... We have to bring back shamanism in one form or another in order to actually reconstruct anything, or it's just gonna be obsessing over ancient texts and a past that's long gone instead of creating a new future.
Hi there, fascinated about J J Toland, is this Toland of 'Christianity not Mysterious' 1670-1722? I never heard about his involvement but it makes a lot of sense!!
Most European Pagan traditions are difficult to reconstruct, as most tradtions were orally transmitted. What written tidbits there are come either from Christian writers, or conquerors. This is why i stick mostly to an Animist Folk Heathenry, and do not bother myself much with Gods per se. More intuitive this way, and besides, i live in North America...not Europa.
I knew you channel is learn Celtic mythology but can you please 🥺 do video about Merlin since after all his Celtic Briton
Yes! I will definitely cover Merlin in the future. In the meantime, I've written about him pretty extensively over on IrishMyths.com if you're interested...
-Was Merlin a Real Person? irishmyths.com/2022/06/01/merlin/
-Was Merlin a Druid? irishmyths.com/2022/06/05/merlin-druid/
-Was Merlin Inspired by Irish Mythology? irishmyths.com/2022/06/21/celtic-wild-man/
@@irishmyths thanks for considering my request 😀
@@irishmyths You have a spelling mistake there - when mentioning Myrddin becoming Merlin you've put "i" instead of "l". I wonder if the origin of the character isn't a survival of a forest god like Gwydion. Some of the gods after Christianity came along got 'old' attached to them to represent an ancient entity rather than aged so it wouldn't be too great a leap to then imagine a later rendering of the character as an old person. Taliesin himself is linked with Gwion who must be a variant of Gwynn ap Nudd given the similarity of Gwion's story with that of Finn MacCool's and Finn's similar name to Gwynn. Finn's grandfather being Nuada. They all appear to be wisdom/hunting gods of the Apollo type, sometimes tied up with the Wild Hunt.
Ok but wait, the Celts came from the Gaels. The Gaels were the Fianna - Finician - Phoenicians. The word Phony comes from Phoenician for a reason. Dagda is Baal Sammin, Beal Samhan in Ireland. The Scythian Canaanites were the Irish Gaels. We know a lot about their religion. Read Charles Vallancey, Anne Wilkes, Conor MacDari, Comyns Beaumont.
Ever look at the info put out by channel My Lunch Break, and similar channels the last ten years?
@@EclecticCircleOfMagic No I had a look there is it the same kinda stuff as Mind Unveiled? I don't get my info from videos much, I mainly read old sources
The Apostle Paul was just a first century L Ron Hubbard.
The name is I low. more gan youg . U said the last bit right. You said pembroke correctly.
The wheel of the year is rougthly attested by cycles of real festivals but yes
Yup I talk about the Celtic cross-quarter days in the second half of the video. More info on them here too if you're interested: th-cam.com/play/PLoBFeQEuiBkxuz1i8vOLtb_poYZ0pjIaU.html&si=MeX3gCA0boDTi6VE
The druid tradition is to collect 3 boys about 10-13 they each will learn as much as possible. Laws, medicine poetry ect, this stems from the last reset so we can restart civilisation
Your Welsh pronunciation is a touch off, at least as it's pronounced in English. I'm Scottish, but have been living in Wales for 25 years, so hearing Glamorgan and Morganwg pronounced like that made me turn my head.
Every neo paganism is exactly what it is.
Neo. And have little if anything to do with the religious practices of the people at the time. Practices which are hard or almost impossible to reconstruct due to the lack of sources and time span
Dan McClellan mention!!!
I never really thought much of modern celtic neo-paganism or reconstructism. A big cornerstone of Celtic religious practice was divining. Whether it was missiltoe in trees, the trees themselves, wind passing through the trees, or entrails from sacrificed animals. Modern neo-pagans don't wanna do any of that yet
that's was how the ancestors lived... in nature.. They even had a God of Nature Cernnunos.
Beyond that they don't even acknowledge the significance of water in the old relegion. Springs, rivers, and bogs were seen as spiritual places. Springs and rivers seats of potential divinity. Lakes and bogs as gateways to the otherworld. It always seemed to me that by tossing dead bodies into the bogs they thought they were sending their souls into the otherworld. Yet nobody wants to resurrect these traditions as they seem creepy, strange, or evil. Despite the fact that the people there trying to emulate did not see it that way. Without Nemeta celtic relegion isn't really traditional celtic relegion. The celts thought it was strange the Greeks and Romans carved graven images of their gods. Yet modern celtic neo-pagans love using exactly that.😂 it's just very bizzare to cut whole mainstays out of relegion because you find it distasteful or bizzare... yet you claim to honor the memory of the people who believed profoundly in such distasteful things🤨🤣.
Well some groups do sacrifice within the law, but only animals are allowed apparently and it is in mainly instances where sacrifice is better than the meat factories they claim.
As for humans it would probably take religiously assisted euthanasia being legalized to be allowed I think. Even then in the past it wasn't just random humans.
Mainly its reconstructionists and not the revivalists, just some of the more "Orthodox" reconstructionists are afraid of being ostracised if they publicly state their views or wanting religious euthanasia legalized.
As for Cernnunos, nobody knows whether he was a "god of nature" or just the mediator between all opposites.
"Distasteful" or not is really subjective in the end depending on opinion but all cultural perspectives should be respected.
@@novicedruid8303 I wasn't suggesting bringing back human sacrifice. Obviously burning people alive in wicker effigies or leaving people in trees to rot as human sacrifices is inhumane. However animals are a different story. We have no qualms about hunting or fishing and slaughtering a cow to make hamburgers. Sacrificing them shouldn't be looked at as odd or scary. The bulk of what Druids did was divination and a large part of that included the remains of sacrifices. How that worked is anyone's guess. There's no real way to fix how broader public will view this though. Obviously to people in abrahamic faiths it'll be looked as high blasphemy and straight up bizarre to everyone else. There isn't a real way around that sadly. However what people on their private land is another matter. It only takes one person to donate a small place somewhere and wider world doesn't need to know.
Well regardless of anyone thinks you can't deny that ancient Celts did perceive natural water sources it as a sort of liminal space. I'll admit that I don't know that much about revivalists, but as far reconstructionist, it really depends most upon what happens to the souls and or bodies of the deceases after death. Depending on the tribe in the ancient past I suppose you would get a different answer, but a large majority did bury their dead in marsh like places, so I think from a religious pov that needs to be more studied.
"Vates" is pronounced either /vay-tees/ (the common English pronunciation), /wah-tayss/ (Classical Latin), or /vah-tayss/ (Liturgical Latin). All pronunciations are approximate due to the deficiencies of using the regular Latin alphabet to represent the sounds.
The Roman ones gave their name to the Vatican. The Irish ones ironically got called fáith.
I always felt that slavs and celts are close, and I guess both loving to make stuff up about pre-Christian history is another similarity
Not as tedious as the TH-cam BS channels clogging up the net.
pre-christian Celtic tradition is really just lost to time. and the worst part is we have just enough to know that it's irrecoverable.
I have lived amongst the Welsh
They are a strange peoples
You say that like we’re some uncontacted tribe
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Unrelated: Bring back Brehon law.
8:23 for a second i thought you said henry rollins and was really confused
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Source: it was revealed to me by a bottle of Laudanum
Great work thank you
Thanks for watching!
Whats your sauce, i made it the fuck up 😂
luvvvvvvvved this
Thanks!
So He was an old 19thcentury Hippy Far out man Peace love Laudanam
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Oh and for thoes of u that wanted to know thats R1b and J1c3
Ok first off before I even watch the video. Pagans is a word the Christians called any other religion. so theres that.
codified without a codex, ironic?
"Forger" seems awfully harsh compared to how authors writing before ~300ce got treated for doing the exact same kind of stuff... This guy could have rightfully titled himself a Saint! Get "Daniel" to vouch for him...
~1500 years difference, bub.
@@lococomrade3488 actually our earliest writings come from around the 3rd Century BCE, and we have none of the original Hebrew texts
So you're referring to the Greek tradition of Sabazios
Not Arkenaten
Still a fake f
@@Uncanny_Mountain I don't think even you known wtf you're talking about.
@@lococomrade3488 I mean... yes, obviously. But why should that matter exactly?
If you're going to post-date and misattribute your work anyways what's a few centuries here or there between artists?
Next you're gonna tell me the Freemasons don't date back to the 1st Temple.
💥💥 TOO LATE 💥💥
Thanks to the romans we have virtually no real information on the druids or at least nothing non biases...even with the best intentions and respect for the beliefs of the ancient pict ..its all neopagan guessvwork based on other shamanic practices. No one now is a ( druid ) nor should anyone claim that title . My family are scothirish and welsh im in the 25 % scotish ancestry that actually has the documented pictich haplogroup ...im not a druid...nor do i know with any more level of certainty how they actually practiced then anyone else ...sad but true ..celtic animist would b a more accurate term .
The Joseph Smith of paganism
It's good to make distinctions and tell the truth but Abramists destroyed most of everything before them and any traditions had to go underground. Some understanding and context should be applied to reconstructionists. We should be honest about the evidence and texts that exist but we should still put the pieces together.
3:36 GLAMOUR-GINN 🤭
GLAM-ORR-GAN
8:43 ☠🪦⚰🤣
Note to self: make Spinal Tap references in every video...even if only a handful of people get it/appreciate it
@@irishmyths 🖤
You need to really study ancient texts including philosophy and history to understand the views of the ancients. Honestly, most if not all pagan revival, is nothing more than the revival of abrahamic religions under the guidance of expectations and money (as always!). As far as I am concerned, since there is nothing left of value to sell these days, the selling of the past flourishes.
So it's no more made up than any other religion today, got it.
Lolo is just a Metal welsh counterpart of Tolkien 💀💀💀
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Just worship Galadriel
Damn, neo-paganism is kinda pathetic.
It’s just larping.
Wait till you find out what happens in pentacostal churches
Welsh mormonism....is a way
Fy nghlustiau bach Cymreig!
The wheel of the year was around 2000 years ago the Celts had festivals at the midpoints between the solar events. The wheel of the year is ancient.
re: midpoints, I talk about Celtic cross-quarter days in the second half of the video. Also got a lot of info on them here if you're interested: th-cam.com/play/PLoBFeQEuiBkxuz1i8vOLtb_poYZ0pjIaU.html&si=MeX3gCA0boDTi6VE
There is no mention of the wheel of the year in any Celtic tradition. It was invented from the 1950s onwards.
Having festivals at midpoints doesn't imply a wheel in any way.
@@disapearingboi because it was never called a “wheel.” The celts used an annual solar calendar. Actually most of Europe and beyond did. The Celtic festivals within the solar “wheel” calendar are Samhain, Imbolc, Lughnasadh, and Beltaine. Those 4 festivals placed into the circular annual calendar based on the 4 solar events makes an x-shaped cross. The Scottish saltire underwent syncretism, for example. Then the t-shaped cross in Britain is Litha, Mabon, Yule, and Ostara, the Germanic festivals. Those festivals are the calendar that forms the wheel within Britain and Ireland. The (sun) cross is ancient in Ireland and Britain and beyond.
@@xtramail4909 You're mixing two different traditions together. We've no reason to assume the Celts practised Germanic festivals.
@@disapearingboi where do you think the UK flag came from? The mixing of the two flags, the Celtic saltire, the Germanic English flag, the mixing of the two peoples. Syncretism. The Celtics x Germanics whom had to convert to Christianity to avoid persecution. The celts had the X-shaped cross and the Celtic cross (sun cross) before the Germanic peoples came. Just look at the chalk drums from Yorkshire, the Birds Eye view of Callanais standing stones, the internal architecture of Newgrange. The solstices were always important in addition to the midpoints. The midpoints are important for timing the farming (and that’s not even highlighting the spirituality of that timing, only practicality), and the solstices important for worshipping the sun. Making sure it will come back. Be reborn and bring us light, again, for the vegetation, for life.
ב''ה, funny how "tincture" has "CT" in the middle of it, says the born yankee
Someone didn't stay for the post-credits...
glaMORgan
morGANwg.
BC, not BCE.
BCE✔️ BC❌
someday I will make a video on why I use BCE/CE. The short version: google "when was Jesus born according to the Bible?" and see what date pops up
Not to mention the Carr Gomm family, however what would I know I am only a Salicist and we outrank them :)
I think you should remake this video so you could sound even more patronizing.
I don’t think this comes off as patronizing. What struck you as patronizing?
@@Loveportorchard the parts they disagree with. 😉
@@lococomrade3488 But isn't that what you're doing?
But you can never be wrong so
Divine infallibility fallacy
The irony of self annointed Academic Wannabes
@@Loveportorchard _"Nothing you say is true cos I say so"_
Sums up the tone
@Uncanny_Mountain Nope. Not by any means.
My stance is laid out by empirical evidence.
Not the little hopes and wishes you seem to be driven by.
Go on. Show me a point I've made. Show me a stance that can be fact checked.
O that's right. I didn't present any.
You're off your rocker and clearly butthurt.
Come back when you believe something factual.
So much pagan cope in here this was a banger
lol so true these guys are annoying af
@@rustyshackelford3590 Vikings were unbeatable in war but paganism lost to Christianity when missionaries simply said “If you convert the chief can’t cuck you and steal your wife”.
And like that it fell
Christianity won due to threats of physical violence and evangelism combined with the fact it was a inheritor if a much more advance sophisticated culture created by pagan peoples. Evangelism isn't apart of any pagan religion and is mostly rooted in that particular area. That's why it won. It could appeal to everyone not just xyz people and was offered to everyone. Pagan Cultures would never dream of doing something like this unless like the Greeks or Romans through conquest.
@@Not-Ap Incorrect. Actually amazingly Christianity is a religion that for the first 300 years of its existence had no state backing no standing army and was harshly persecuted and STILL spread all over Europe
By the time we got to the Vikings the Vikings were unbeatable in war and paganism was actually beat without war because missionaries said “look if you convert to Christianity our religion believes one woman for each man and the chief and his warriors can’t just steal your wife and impregnate her and cuck you whenever they feel like it (a common practice in pagan cultures) this was such a motivator that Christianity overtook paganism despite being the side that was worse at war.
The Crusades came over 1000 years later after the Church and Rome became 100% entwined and if you look at the Crusades it was just a repeat of the same people doing what they did 1000 years ago which is why there were Romans occupying Jerusalem at Christianity’s inception in the first place.
Blaming it on the religion is pagan loser propaganda Rome was just doing what it ALWAYS DID even when they were pagans!
@@Not-Ap Incorrect. Actually amazingly Christianity is a religion that for the first 300 years of its existence had no state backing no standing army and was harshly persecuted and STILL spread all over Europe
By the time we got to the Vikings the Vikings were unbeatable in war and paganism was actually beat without war because missionaries said “look if you convert to Christianity our religion believes one woman for each man and the chief and his warriors can’t just steal your wife and impregnate her and cuck you whenever they feel like it (a common practice in pagan cultures) this was such a motivator that Christianity overtook paganism despite being the side that was worse at war.
The Crusades came over 1000 years later after the Church and Rome became 100% entwined and if you look at the Crusades it was just a repeat of the same people doing what they did 1000 years ago which is why there were Romans occupying Jerusalem at Christianity’s inception in the first place.
Blaming it on the religion is pagan loser propaganda Rome was just doing what it ALWAYS DID even when they were pagans!
Isn't Christianity a retelling of Babilonian myth? I mean maybe Iolo did what may religions do. Make it up.
The supposed connections between Christianity and paganism were invented by very Iolo-esque people. Many of the supposed parallels require tackling the question of whether rocks can be virgins.
Yeah where is the video calling out Catholic rites?
Not really other than the creation and flood myths.
@@TheSarahJane33This is a channel about Irish Myths. There are countless channels out there calling out Christianity.
@rb98769 Fair enough.
Celtic will never reborn if not be attentive to folk practices, tales and beliefs the Popular Catholicism
Its funny i was wondering recently if ancient gaelic irish paganism was all just made up and now this video appears on my feed 👍
Impossible to listen to this annoying, toneless AI garble.
For the record, no AI was used in this video
@@irishmyths I think this is the 3rd time I see a guy with a naturally monotonous voice being accused of being an AI. Cyberpunk is already here...
You could have learned how to pronounce Iolo's surname correctly, and if that was too tough, surely getting Glamorgan right shouldn't have been too hard? Or Tain?
Pronunciations aside, good video. We all know Iolo was a forger, if an inspired one. Since no-one knows anything about the ancient Druids with any reliability, except a few fragments from the untrustworthy writings of Caesar, almost all Druidry stems from the Druid revival, John Toland onwards. Strabo, Pliny, Tacitus etc.. were not writing contemporaneously and never actually met a Druid. So every Druid is a neo-Druid, though "neo" goes back to the seventeenth century. We are in a tradition of weirdoes, eccentrics, scholars both amateur and professional, radicals, frauds, mystics, hippies, magicians and revolutionaries, all of us taking our spiritual inspirations and projecting them back onto the blank that is The Ancient Druids. There are those who study Iolo's system and work with it, while others place more emphasis on ecological concerns, or the arts.
It's not so open and shut about the wheel of the year as you make out, though - yep, in its modern iteration it was jointly the work of Gerald Gardner and Ross Nichols, but the ancient Irish definitely celebrated the fire festival and there are monuments aligned to the other festivals, so whether they were celebrated or not, they were certainly significant.
Thanks for the comment. Here's my reference pronunciation for Morganwg: th-cam.com/video/b2eIbtHhsRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=7A3UkVq78zbleEdp
Here's my reference pronunciation for Táin forvo.com/word/t%C3%A1in_b%C3%B3_cuailnge/
@@irishmyths can you not hear the difference etween your pronunciation references and how you actually pronounced them?
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