The cultural clash over climbing Uluru before October ban | 7.30
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- There's been a sudden jump in the number of people wanting to climb Uluru ahead of a ban which comes into effect in October.
Almost nine out of ten people who visit Uluru don't climb, respecting the traditional owners' view that it's a deeply sacred place.
But some people believe any Australian should be able to climb the world's most famous rock if they wish.
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My man really out here wearing a Centrelink t shirt 😩
yup, that how it be sometimes
i climbed in 1992.
@@commentfreely5443 Cool story bro
Harden the fuck up Stefan.
This comment is gold
For a foreigner, me, I have been there for visiting, but I didn't climb it.
Just watched it and took pictures. Respect for aboriginal people.
As an Aboriginal man I thank you for your respect. If only all had the personal integrity to respect something for what it is and not trample and desecrate it.
@Matamoros #1 You are so full of shit dude.
thanks mate!!!
@@solpm9551 obviously you've never been into the remote areas of Australia. The vast majority of young aboriginal men are on ice..
@@sneakybadger9580 your a sell out. Explain to me why paddy never had an issue with people climbing the rock yet you do. Who is more in tune with their culture you or paddy?
Look Like it was starting to crumble. So glad that they have stopped every tourist from climbing it. Now Uluru the great rock will thrive again & have the respect that it greatly deserves, be left alone & be taken care of by the indigenous people who appreciates it.
Oh, so climbers don't appreciate it?
I thought about not climbing it. Then i figured out that just because its sacred to one group of people doesn't mean everyone else has to abide by that. Anyhow, The Aboriginals have been coining it in over the years charging an entrance fee to Uluru.
i've been to Uluru. Its a amazing place to go and whilst i was there. i talked to this amazing aboriginal man. he was telling us that at the place where people went and climbed you can see a faint line that they call the scar. Until then i never fully understood why people have huge respect for the landscape. But that story changed everything seeing what we had done to these people homes that they lived in for thousands of years. and looking at the damage close up and personal.
@seguiriya1 once you understand the impact it has culturally. You will understand why it closing is a good thing you selfish swine
@seguiriya1 Imagine living there for your whole life at the same place your ancestors lived and seeing people climb you home and ruin the water ways and leave a big scar on the side. Is sure as hell would be angry.
@seguiriya1 but for them it is
Umm where did you hear that the rock was their home? Because it never was, it was a meeting place. Never a home..
VixonHQ .... who’s we sucker
How about give them a pair of VR glasses and send a drone up, then they can really take in the view
Comrade Stalin you can’t. Drone flying is banned, but that doesn’t stop the Aboriginal-owned Yalara resort, which is right next to Ayre’s Rock, from selling drones.
@@JaydenLawson well I think if they had to do something for tourism, a drone is way better than hundreds of people climbing the rock. But if it's banned then yeah guess there's no flying then
how about excercise
says the man that hasn't gotten of the couch for the last 10 years.. shut up fatty. :P
They could even set it up for them to use the VR on the couch so they never have to leave home.
The largest rock in the world is Mount Augustus (Burringurrah) in outback Western Australia, it is far larger than Uluru and anyone can climb it
Yep, just outside of Carnarvon. It is covered with vegetation so it looks like a regular mountain. There also Kokerbin Rock, the 3rd largest, near Kukerin. The area has special significance to the Noonga people of South Western Australia. You are free to climb it.
But it's not as pretty as Uluru
@@damobdaking Nor as profitable.
My Augustus or “ Burringurrah “ is twice the size of Uluru, 715m above the surrounding plains, the difference is Uluru is a monolith rock formation where most of it is underground... Uluru is an amazingly beautiful and sacred place (I lived there for nearly 5 years) but I still climbed it
The more you know 🌈
Its crazy how much hate Australia has towards the Aboriginals.
It’s not all one way m8, the hate comes from the fact they were here first
There’s more lovers than haters in oz, I know sometimes it’s hard to beleive, but it’s true
It's a rock lmao
'Centrelink living the dream' - Why would you wear that shirt?
Wake up, dumbass. Centrelink has expressed and practised deep respect to the traditional owners of this ancient land for decades now. Australia is in debt to our Indigenous people for their benign tolerance of disrespectful tourists.
Australia's immense wealth was the biggest "land-grab" in history. Reading what happened to Aboriginal Culture is not pleasant -- to say the least. It was a policy of extermination. Nuclear Bombs were tested in Australia, and the Aboriginals were not even notified. One reason that the Anangu want the Resort is because it provides jobs, and a source of income independent of the Govt.
@@dumdumbrown4225 Belligerent statement like the shirt.
@@dnickaroo3574 absolutely without any doubt.
@Support Quality Journalism
You need to watch RABBIT PROOF FENCE.
Biggest mistake they made was announcing that it was closing. The amount of trash from tourists flowing in and camping in nondesignated spots is ruining the environment. Should've just kept it how it was and closed it quietly
Fair enough. I live in the NT and tourism has been busier this year.
@David Parks Leave toilet paper blowing through the spinifex for everyone to see....those little bushes you flattened with your car took 3000 years to grow ..... and on and on and on.
It’s been announced for like 2 years now lol
I'll bet you've never been within cooee of Ayres Rock or Alice.. you want to see a ruined environment and shit everywhere??? Google "Little Sisters Town Camp alice springs" and get back to me. Better yet... do us all a favour and keep your ill-informed opinions to yourself.
@@MrLunithy Probably a drop in the ocean compared to various aboriginal communities in the NT.
35 deaths? How could that happen?
I visited in 1989 and did climb it. On the other hand it wasn't possible to walk around the rock as certain areas were sacred to the Aboriginals and reserved for their rituals, or so they said. Fine by me.
The climb was strenious but great. There was no waste, everyone was austere up there, and the view was fantastic. We were no more than 50 people at the time, and no one strolled far, everyone knew the dangers, it seemed.
I climbed it in 89 when there was not such an education as there is now. In hindsight I wish I had not.
That's where you've gone wrong, you haven't been "educated" you've been "uneducated" by mainstream corporate media.. If your so educated you would know who Paddy Uluru is, you would also know his views about people climbing the rock...
perentee77 what are you talking about? His comment was saying he was not educated about climbing the rock.
@@unicornmagic8610 I'm sorry do you find it hard to follow a conversation?? Once again he is not educated now, he thinks he is but clearly he is the opposite, uneducated.. A person educated on climbing knows there is nothing wrong with climbing the rock. It wasn't an issue in the 1980s because the issue never existed back then. It's only in recent years now that the real traditionals have died off that climbing has become an issue.. why dont you start listening to the real traditional aboriginal people??
Who "owns" the Sun or the moon ?
How far under or above Uluru is the boundary of possession ?
This is about eroding people's rights.
@@GRPLiningServices the right to own something ?
@@GRPLiningServices yeah people's right to common sense and to think for themselves..
@@MowMowMowDiittyMow who made them custodians?? That's right, they did. The rock never asked them to be custodians.
If you bought a house, you only own the first six inches of dirt. The government owns the rest. If they want your land they can push that top dirt off if they really wanted to. Look it up,
2:40 I refuse to believe that is an accurate translation 😂
It was a pretty good translation.
Pitjatjantjara speaker here.
Anangu often express themselves differently to people from European cultural contexts.
Must be careful not to worship the created however. Respect creation of these beautiful places but worship the creator.
This whole ban is quite disgraceful, for a couple of reasons.
1. What aboriginal communities need is infrastructure, education, jobs, healthcare. But the governments don't give them those things in adequate measure, because infrastructure costs money: money that governments deem worth spending on electorates that are going to affect the vote - not isolated communities that have no apparent importance in the political scheme of things. So instead, they offer token gestures, things that don't cost the government money. And when you're in a disadvantaged community and a part of a disadvantaged group, you take whatever concessions you're offered. So instead of focusing on actual real issues that affect health and lives, issues like this enter the limelight. If Australian governments had given the aboriginal population the things they actually need, there wouldn't even be this debate, let alone the closure. That's the virtue-signalling world we live in now. Make a big noise and beat your chest while doing the bare minimum. It's a sham and a national disgrace and it saddens me how many people have been fooled by it.
2. A natural phenomenon such as a giant monolith, contrary to what so many misguided souls believe, is nothing like a church. A church is a purpose-built thing by a group of people, for a group of people. It exists because of those people. They created it, brought it into being where previously it did not exist. Uluru came into being 600 millions years before aboriginals or anyone else came upon it. It exists because of nature and nature is for everyone to appreciate. Nobody has the right to project their beliefs onto nature in a way that inhibits the ways others appreciate it. The ONLY reason Uluru or any natural environment should be closed off, is if human visitation is causing it damage.
The deflection of real issues that affect lives, to the token closing of this rock, is a tragedy and a travesty that should never have happened.
The problem is that they don't want to work, they don't want to educate themselves. Healthcare they get, I was in Darwin hospital and it was over 90% aboriginals in there.
@@toniownez But if they had adequate education systems, that allowed them to get decent jobs and have proper careers like everyone else, they would. I'd sit on unemployment benefits too, if the alternative was baking out in the outback sun every day. It's all a part of a vicious and complex cycle. Addressing any one part of it won't fix the problem. The entire infrastructure needs a total overhaul and that can only be done if the governments put money into it. And even then it will take years and decades to crate a cultural shift.
@@toniownez In previous decades aboriginal workers were paid less than white fellas, often given flour and tobacco instead of money. This unequal treatment bad experience with employers led to mistrust.
@@MrAnperm Yeah and that's disgusting that that happened. I read that recently that some of those people or their descendants were possibly going to be compensated. I hope they will, and I hope more indigenous people get compensated for the horrible treatment given to them.
Aboriginal people know what they want, this program makes it clear, DONT CLIMB THE MOUNTAIN. You are guests in this land, respect the host! To respect what is sacred for others is part of living in a democracy, deal with it. And nobody is holding you back to walk around it, and its true that they didnt create the monolith but they were there before you came so maybe, just maybe in stead of fighting here for your right to climb what is sacred for others, you should fight for the rights of the Aboriginal t get the things that you mentioned., but no, you’d rather fight for your right to climb. 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
HOW CAN PEOPLE BE SO DISRESPECTFUL. AUSTRALIAN IS TO BELIEVE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY WHICH MEANS ALSO MEANS BELIEVE AND RESPECTING THE TRUE CUSTODIANS OF THIS LAND. IM WHITE AUSTRALIAN HOWEVER THIS LAND IS SPIRITUAL, RESPECT IT OR LEAVE IT. PLEASE RESPECT OUR FIRST AUSTRALIANS WAY, IT'S THE AUSTRALIAN WAY.
3rd australians they werent the first
Belongs to all Australians
There's nothing disrespectful about climbing a hill, quite the opposite actually.
I really wanna know these place, don't really mind to climb it. I think it is impressive regardless of the angle of view
Puli Wiru is an extremely important sacred site. It is not a mountain for tourists to climb and take selfies.
I TOOK MY WIFE AND PARENTS THERE A FEW YEARS AGO .YOU COULD FEEL THE HEART AND SOUL OF THAT PLACE .
I WOULD NOT DISRESPECT THE FEELINGS OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.
WE DID NOT CLIMB ,WE WALKED THE TRAILS AND ENJOYED THE BEAUTY ,
LET THE TRADITIONAL OWNERS HAVE OUR LOVE AND RESPECT,
AT LEAST IN THEIR HANDS IT WONT BE SOLD TO CHINA OR INDIA,
THEY HAVE KEPT ITS BEAUTY FOR SIXTY THOUSAND YEARS,LET THEM PROTECT IT FOR SIXTY THOUSAND MORE.
Alright all ready - you don't need to shout!
LOUD NOISES!!!
YOU ARE ANTHROPOMORPHISIZING THE PLACE.
@@anthonymorris5084 IS THAT EVEN A REAL WORD ,IF SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN DUDE.
@@michaelsbergin4546 It means you are giving this rock human characteristics. As in "YOU COULD FEEL THE HEART AND SOUL OF THAT PLACE" It's a rock. It has no heart or soul. It's a way to make arguments or sentiments emotional instead of intellectual or factual.
We must have respect the traditions.
Sangram Chore ... why?
@@jayk7422 well some actually smart people know that it is respectful, but I’m not sure that you would know 🤨
What does the rock think?
he's too busy making millions doing action movies.
I believe we're about to find out
The opening scene of the 1975 George Lazenby film The Man from Hong Kong was a martial arts fight on Uluru.
The location did not make any sense but was a spectacular site for a fight with the Chinese drug dealer running up hill to escape the large Australian drug squad officer.
Should just shut down the whole park. It's a money grab anyway. The cost to get into the park are astronomical and the little township is the most expensive place in Australia.
Jeff Davis locals in Alice reckon the climb will re-open if the owner’s share of the revenue drops. That little township was bought by the aboriginal people’s billion dollar fund, so they’re taking in the money while the Aus government pays for all the park upkeep and ranger wages
I climbed it back in 1984, back then there was no complaint or ban about doing so. I respect the Aborigines culture but no-one owns this planet.
Lol... obviously a student of history.
Your parents probably took you there back in 1984 because Bob Hawke had agreed in 1983 to return the land title back to the traditional owners, after years of campaigning and pressure from Aboriginal rights activists. This promise included an agreement to stop people climbing Uluru, which the conservative news drummed anger over as usual, and caused a bunch of boomers to rush their young kids off to Uluru to ensure they didn't miss out on being able to step on sacred land before it became more difficult for them to do so. History sure does love repeating itself.
Nice false-equivalency you got there between a tribe asking people to respect their sacred land and "owning the planet". Try asserting your right to walk anywhere you like at an airport, a military base, or even through your neighbours flower beds.... might find that a lot of people have boundaries they set about what you can and can't do on their land.
Uluru is made of sandstone and walking on it deteriorates it much faster than rain. Pretty reasonable for the traditional (and legal) owners to request nobody else climbs it, as tourism to Uluru has seen rapid rise in the last couple of decades.
Think of this like a preist setting limits on where the public can walk/access in their church. It's really not very complicated if you have any sympathy or empathy in your brain.
@@m0rthaus Nature is nothing like a church nor a military base what's wrong with you? If you can't see the difference between a purpose-built man-made object that was built by a certain group for a certain group, and nature, you've no right to chastise anyone. Utterly idiotic.
@@zenrising3314 not idiotic and the comparisons of Uluru to a church is referring to the significance of the place not he actually structure. Uluru is sacred to the anangu, church's and temples are sacred to people who worship there. And the comparison of Uluru to military base etc was in direct response to "no one owns this planet". Perhaps try to open your mind and understand the context of what someone else is trying to say.
@@LuLu-qh3ux It's still a false equivalence. One is something created by people, for themselves. The other pre-dates all humanity by 600 million years. There's no comparison. Nobody should have the right to project their beliefs onto nature in a way that inhibits how other appreciate it. Like I said, if the indigenous communities of Australia had been given what they actually need - systematic, long-term (expensive) infrastructure; education, health services, careers - this whole conversation about closing Uluru would never have even happened. So instead, this virtue signalling (cheap) has overshadowed the actual, serious, issues.
What do you honestly think they would rather have - a closed-off rock, or the life expectancy of non-indigenous Australians? Don't kid yourself, LuLu.
@@zenrising3314 "What would they rather have"...do you mean the anangu that I have personally spoken to? Since I lived there for 4 years??? Unlike the western world, they aren't about materialist things. And if you knew anything about aboriginal culture you'd know that everything; every rock, valley, creek, river, everything in the landscape has a storyline within their culture. They are part of the land and they're simply asking people to respect a sacred area. Also unlike westerner's they didn't build, they used what was around them. So are you saying that because they didn't build monuments, their culture should be ignored? Not respected? I know that it's hard for some people to understand why the comparison to built monuments is used, but it's because if only built monuments were treated as sacred, then aboriginal culture would be completely wiped out. And they're by no means asking people not to appreciate Uluru; they're just asking them to appreciate it in a respectful way, from ground level, and to learn about their culture instead of staying ignorant to it. So, who's kidding themselves???
I agree with aboriginal's belief side. Respect the nature and learn to APPRICIATE to the beauty of the Sandy rock from the distance vision and the wildness nature.
I agree.
The local Aboriginal tribe has spoken, the government have listened, climbing Uluru is no longer an option.
Meanwhile, in the pristine Flinders Ranges of South Australia, the local Aboriginal people there are ignored as a defiant government pushes ahead to try to use their lands for nuclear waste abandonment holes.
Can you name a place that isn't sacred to somebody?
For all of us.....be honest not deceitful, be considerate and respectful, acknowledge each other, harmony is such a lovely liveable word.....and it feels good!!!!!!!!
I agree I know that if you live there that you want to climb it and stuff but over time man will destroy it. Just look at the trail from people walking on it over and over
Absolutely right…!
What's going to happen when the rock finally 'wakes up' and starts buzzing, then takes off...whooosh?
that will be one hell of an acid trip!
I wouldn't be surprised...the hopi have spoken about when the land is barren...which means humans who aren't with the love no matter what generation u r....humans out of love will be left to a barren deserted land
and it's raining on the rock...
I climbed Ayers Rock, I thought that was better.
Neil Jamison isn’t Uluru Ayers Rock?
@@blakelaurie7865 yep, but when it was Ayers Rock there was none of the spiritual touchy nonsense around it.
So did the local people never climb it?
I personally wouldn't climb it if asked not to but I would like to know more truth to the story, the reporter should have pushed harder for answers.
agreed, also interesting that western culture has long since abandonded many of it's own traditional laws and customs
It would be a sore lack of curiosity and adventure to live underneath that rock all your life and never climb it.
If I was a visitor I would probably not climb it out of respect but if that was my home I would definitely climb it.
Go and talk to the aboriginal people who live there
@@teatowel11 Living traditionally, the anangu had no reason to climb it. There is no food or water or resources up there, so for the, why expend all that energy for nothing? Its far more a western idea of conquering the climb.
No, none of the the Anagu people ever climbed. it was sacred and part of a major dreamtime story
Nobody owns any nature. Should be common heritage for all people around the world. As long as people respect the place itself, don't leave rubbish and don't destroy or damage it in any way. I believe the climb should stay open. What's next, Everest gets closed down because it is owned by the Nepalese?
@S J. Point 1 - If they charge so much to climb it, some of that should go towards a rubbish cleanup service to keep it pristine. I'm sure your suburb would be a rubbish pile too if there was no rubbish p/up service. Point 2 - Regarding other rocks to climb, so you are ok with other rocks becoming a rubbish pile but not Uluru? I did mention in my comment about respect and not leaving rubbish anyway (you might've missed that) but at least Uluru has a Tour fee and a climbing fee that allows for maintenance of the park therefore creating a fund to keep it clean. Where else does all that money go? Point 3 - Anyone who doesn't show respect for the place should be fined and banned the same way they would be fined for littering in the city or charged for vandalising the city. Point 4 - Do you want to ban hikers from walking trails through the rainforest, or ban people from enjoying our beaches, or ban people from skiing on the snow slopes in the Blue Mountains? As I said Nature belongs to no one and at the same time is common heritage (at least should be) for everryone to enjoy WITH RESPECT so that other may enjoy it for many years to come. Point 5 - How did you assume from my comment above that I condone that people go to Uluru and treat it like a half way house? Everest is in a country that has pretty poor sanitation standards unfortunately. The government there needs to do better not just at Everest but for their whole country with that & without me opening up a can of worms here, I believe that other governments should help them achieve better standards.
How ignorant and disrespectful is this lady for still wanting to climb the rock after being asked if Traditional Owner's don't want people to climb @3:32
Look who's talking. Get some perspective
I lived and worked at Yulara for six months and dealt with media from around the world when Ululu was handed back to aboriginals. I doubt that you have been there as there is an abundance of wildlife there especially in the rocks caves - but I guess you did not walk the eight km around the Uluru.
OMG MY VIRTUE SIGNAL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This monolith is 600 million years old. It predates indigenous settlement of Australia, its older than humanity, older than the mammals and even older than the dinosaurs. Its an old rock and should be enjoyed by everyone as long as people keep things tidy. Next they'll say taking photographs of Uluru is against traditional culture and ban it as well.
It's not a case of how old the rock is but what it represents as a part of our indigenous people's history and identity. Besides, it's not like westerners don't demand respect for their own ancient monoliths. Access to the inner circle of Stonehenge, for example, is closed to the public as a means of "preserving the dignity" of the World Heritage Site. Why should Uluru be any different? Is it because people like you believe our indigenous people's sacred sites are less worthy of dignity than those of our own ancient cultures?
@@milalewis983 I'm not responsible for Stonehenge being fenced off. I think people should be able to walk up to the stones and have a touch. As long as they're not smashing or defacing anything then I think its fine. As for Uluru (and Stonehenge) mother nature will eventually wear it away with wind and rain erosion and nothing at all will be left.
Quote: “We’re religious people, we’d welcome anyone into our sacred areas”.. Cool, can’t wait to climb me some churches.
Ive never seen this rock in my life. I need to research :)
You can actually climb St Peters Basilica in the Vatican City, you can also climb Milan Cathedral (a cathedral that took 600 years to build), you can also climb Copenhagens tallest cathedral.
K K K OK taxpayer you nob
Being religious personally I don't really take issue with that provided they are not damaged in the process
@@escomz 600 years is nothing to the time scales involved with Uluru and their long association with it. I wonder sometimes if they're the only ones with a clue about our true origins.
What's with the subtitles?
Because hes speaking very hard to umderstand broken english
The climb of Uluru is very dangerous because 35 people had died from climbing Ayers Rock in the Australia’s Northern Territory and the summer lightning storms coming around the corner and it is also very dangerous when the lightning strikes and heavy rain falling caused slippery wet surfaces. Lightning storms are coming in the summer months in Uluru- Kata Tjuta and the township of Yulara by the resort stay. We just walk around Ayers Rock in the heart of Australia’s Red Centre.
The majority of people who died on the rock or related to the climb shorty after were men over 50 - they died of heart attacks.
Only one person fell to his death due to a slippery surface after rain.
Don't exaggerate
35 people is nothing. A small river beach near me drowns an average of 4 people a year. Its just a lame excuse to push silly religious myths.
Wearing a Centrelink T shirt and saying he only wants traditional practices .. it's just a bit of a paradox.
…no paradox there mate. Centrelink has expressed and practised deep respect to the traditional owners of this ancient land for decades now. Australia is in debt to our Indigenous people for their benign tolerance of disrespectful tourists.
Ironic as there’s more non Aboriginal people on Centrelink.
@David Parks you should move back if you think welfare is the problem. tax dodging big companies or the fact that we only get 17% of mining royalties and 48% of there country has been or is or it is in the process of being mined that is the real problem.
Love Muffin There’s more non aboriginal people in Australia.
Imagine how high our taxes would be if all the other Australians got the same benefits as Aboriginals.
@@MelaniaRose I don't see the irony. Are you aware Aboriginal people make up around 3% of the Australian population? Your comment is nonsensical and fallacious.
"Irony
Irony, in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case." (
It’s not that hard to pay a bit of respect to the locals and it’s such a simple request. Did they ask you to change your religion, your culture, your family values? No... just don’t climb the rock. Long term it will have no impact on you one way or another if you can or can’t climb the dam rock!
Old mate is too right, why are we still discussing this?
Why should we respect them when they take our money, then turn around call us evil and demand respect. Maybe it's time they make a contribution to society until then, the Government should take back the land and rename it AYERS ROCK.
I respect the locals, I respect the nature as not dropping anything, but I climbed it. It's in the nature like any mountains, why do somepeople have more rights on a mountain than others ? They did not build it, they did not buy it, it's in the nature, and nature is for everyone. Why are we still discussing it ? Because people have the right to other opinions than yours !!
@@tabstabs1204 just don’t climb it. You are ruining it with foot traffic. Make an ugly mark on it.
@@toml8040 you personally should pay. For anything Aboriginal people want. And you should be grateful to give your money that was stolen in the first place.
@@Escekar Nothing was stolen though. There was no concept of ownership by the indigenous population, also aborignals never formed a government or anything that resembled a nation. Also even under the assumption that aboriginals are victims of "stolen land" then why are you not accounting for the wealth and infrastructure built since the 18th century? I am pretty sure GDP in Australia in 1750 was not nearly $2 trillion.
Live this country never been there. No idea if i would want to climb it.
Its boring and dangerous and you get to see the old car park and camp grounds that are still a scare.
The last bloke had a great point! 👏🏽👏🏽
This is a rock, put there by nature, it is not owned by anyone, therefore climb it if you want to or don’t climb, it’s part of Australia
Al Pal nope , no one “ owns” nature, it’s a big rock
@@colleendaniels5607 People can own land and keep other people off it, according to white man's law.
MrAnperm very true, but unless you buy the land with money you don’t “”own”” it, Ayres Rock is a natural part of the land, the indigenous people did not build it or make it therefore it is not theirs
have you seen Pocahontas, it is literally the same story, everything has a life everytime someone destroys they cry... we are not the traditional land owners because it doesnt belong to us we belong to the land, we're known to protect the land..
@jo dirtwhat drugs are you on mate?? Aboriginals are immigrants just like everyone else. You actually believe the aboriginals magically appeared in Australia from thin air?? Secondly do you think the English should be able to tell all the immigrants there that they have no right to the land and it's not their country. It's exactly the same thing, the only difference is skin color. Are you then saying we should treat people different based on their skin colour?? I think there's a word for that, yeah it's called racism..
It does not belong to anyone actually, god made this planet for all life, no one has a right to ban anyone from going anywhere
I believe in God & I’m not needy 😁
Or, perhaps, could it be that maybe there are a few places that God has vouchsafed as should be forever free of human contact? We already take far too much from this Earth, pillaged, looted and killed far beyond what is reasonable. The least we could do is to set aside a few _miniscule_ segments of terrain as forbidden. To me, to not even permit such an utterly and pathetically mild of a restraint upon our "freedom" only affirms the perverse downtowering downheights of our GREED.
@@mike4ty4 this is not a decision for selfish people who claim this to be sacred to them, if I claim the moon sacred to me, does that then mean I now own it, and NASA or any other organisation should never travel there again? I am all for setting aside land as a nature reserve, if it has been decided by government, but this is a bunch of people claiming it is sacred to them, I could make the same claim to public land I love, but I wouldn't do that because I'm not selfish.
@@jayk7422 there is absolutely nothing wrong with having faith, I don't believe in any religion, but I do believe in a god for sure, i feel sad for those that don't have any faith and believe in nothing.
@@SHaGGy2515. Just remember that believing in something doesn't automatically make it true.
The argument that other belief systems would welcome all comers into their sacred places is simply untrue. Non Muslims cannot enter Islamic sacred sites. And yes, you can wander around Westminster Abby but god forbid if you climbed up on the alter for a selfie.
Anyone from apc
Through the work and foresight of Whitlam and Fraser, Uluru was returned to the Anangu people. Very soon afterwards, the Anangu signed a lease for 99 years which allows for the Resort and visitors to Uluru. It was their gift to the rest of Australia. Surely we can respect their feelings in return.
@ThatBadGuy ?.
@ThatBadGuy Do you think so?
@@dnickaroo3574 A very sad day for hard working Australians. Time for the Government to take it back.
@Matt Duffield The Ananga people wanted the Resort because it provides employment, and they receive rent from the Resort; so that they are more independent of the Govt. You should first learn the history of Uluru, before making such badly-informed pronouncements.
@@dnickaroo3574 I knew that already, you're telling me nothing new except you skewed it around that those fraudulent "traditional owners" just wanted to improve the local economy and everyone else around them. No they saw it as a cash grab, they barely seem to use any of it on maintenance. My point is they shouldn't own it in the first place and collecting all of the tourism $$. The Government should own this land and collect those fees so it can be reinvested back into the park and general expenditure on all parks.
I had the honor of visiting Uluru 25 years ago. It is quite an experience to actually be there and see it . It is this huge monolith sticking out of the ground, looks like it doesn't belong there as it it is so flat and nothing else for miles. I was enraptured and blown away. I thought of it being an alien object from outer space, like it came down from the sky and landed there as it looks so other worldly and majestic. Then when you walk the trails around it , you see up close all the amazing rock formations how the elements (wind and rain) have worn the rock into these incredible formations over thousands of years , lots of holes where the birds live and I 'm sure snakes. Incredible beauty, It is a work of art by nature. I did climb the rock to the top and again a spiritual experience! It is something I will never forget. Just looking at pics is not the same. It is a magical and powerful place. Sunsets are gorgeous! The energy is amazing! I would recommend seeing it in their winter season (June - Aug) , as their summers in the outback get really hot, plus huge flies everywhere.
Just close the whole park already and be done with it.
Dave Smith then the locals lose their free income. No way that’s happening
Why are aborigines constantly called the “traditional owners”? Ownership of property and the means of production is a concept inherent in a Capitalist society. The aborigines weren’t traditionally a Capitalist society, they were a hunter gatherer society and had no concept of ownership of land until the White man told them all about it. They inhabited the land but they never owned it. There were not records kept or borders outlining who owned what. This is outrageous and people should ignore this ban and climb the Rock without feeling guilty.
No, it should be that perhaps maybe we should have _less_ capitalism. And you can't sacrifice even 1/100,000,000th or so of capitalist ownership?
mike4ty4 if you perhaps want less capitalism you’re free to move to North Korea or Cuba. Now get on your bike!
That is where you are wrong. Tribes have/had clear boundaries that demarked the lands they own/ed and where they were allowed to hunt, gather and live without seeking permission of other tribes.
No one had the right to own something like half a million years old in the making, can’t just go around owing caves and Hills and mountains
have you seen Pocahontas, it is literally the same story, everything has a life everytime someone destroys they cry... we are not the traditional land owners because it doesnt belong to us we belong to the land, we're known to protect the land..
@@rjayg6575 It's not really about protecting the land though. It's about protecting backward cultural beliefs and superstition.
Sorry didn’t know they are custodians. But I would love to explore it
@Al Pal who made them custodians?? That's right themselves.. or do you believe the earth asked them to be custodians lol?
@@Ramy_Ramz they aren't. They are self confessed custodians..
7:30 ... gosh thats a dumb argument its like saying, We can see the moon from the earth so why go to the moon when the only time you cant see it is when you're on the moon.
For a start its a rock,, a land formation... I respect peoples right to believe in a religion or remember their heritage, BUT in a day and age when human intelligence has developed far enough to know right from wrong without having to base their entire existence on a long past made up fairy tale or some "ghost in the clouds" I think its everybody's right to climb the rock HOWEVER I also believe it should be done in a more respectful way.,,
Limiting the number of people that climb at any given time, charge a premium fee and with that experience educate the climbers about the past heritage and sacred beliefs of the original inhabitants .. Make it an honoring of the people and a meditational experience.
Not to climb to Uluru it is way too dangerous and many people lost their lives while climbing Ayers Rock in the southern part of Northern Territory,Austrália 🇦🇺
What a beautiful aboriginal language and maybe aboriginal people should just address all officials only in their language and maybe it's just time to start teaching the local language and history in school and maybe that will create respect and understanding, instead of the old colonial BS rhetoric
He was speaking english, just with a VERY strong accent. Watch it again a few times and you will be able to understand him without the subtitles.
@@daleleighton some words were english because there's no word in his language for it but mostly his own aboriginal language is spoken
@Mighty White thanks for your profound linguistic dialectic.
Maybe you should enroll in an English class and try real hard when the run-on sentence is explained..
@@ricko9879 thanks for your advice but you were intelligent enough to read what I wrote. English is my third language, of four, I speak and write. Maybe you should learn some languages and try actually, understand, what it was all about.
As usual people have had two years advance notice that Uluru was closing for climbers and now, with two months to go people are now starting to complain. And I hope the first thing that goes is the chain rail. How disrespectful.
@Scrambo 1 LOL you guys take our money and then turn around and call us evil and then expect respect in return?
I grew up in the NT born in Darwin ...Gove ....Alice ...Hermannsburg.... is an Aboriginal community 125 kilometers; west southwest of Alice Springs. Local Aboriginal people call it Ntaria.
I worked there as a volunteer.
Every time they stop climbing at the rock the $ goes and the aboriginals get upset so people climb again this used to happen time and time again.
Any time there is talk of gov money and sacred sites usually a mob from outside the NT takes over?
I don't care if you don't like what Ive wrote it's the way it is.
A relatively of mine was a ranger years back in the 60s and has told me there were no paintings in some of the ancient caves around Ayres Rock. But there is now 😉
SeaWorld socialartslecturer ... yeah funny about that 😁
Yep, just takes a few religious fanatics to fabricate myth which we all then arbitrarily have to "respect"
G'day,
Yay Team !
It's very pleasant indeed to hear that only 13% of Tourists going to Uluru are climbing the Rock.
People have been living on Australia for least 65,000 years, the 500 Language-Groups haven't changed the Boundaries of their Towries (Country) for 40,000 years, and the Rainbow-Serpent is the oldest continually-practiced Religion on Earth, at 10,000 years....; and every rock & river & valley & hill & gully & cliff and waterhole has stories about them going back tens of thousands of years.
So, in terms of Theological/Religious signifigance, Uluru is like the Altar in Westminster Abbey and St Peter's Basilica and the Black Rock in Mecca & the Wailing Wall at Jerusalem..., all rolled-up into one..., and then it's vastly older as well....; some opine that Cathedrals & Altars & Holy Walls are all Artefacts, and thus not directly comparable with Landscape features - to which the ob(l)ivious riposte is,
"What about Lourdes..., that's a French Cave with a Spring included, whereinat 'Holy Visions' were once upon a time - in 1858, said to have been seen...(!) !"
And, millions of Catholics make their Pilgrimages every year, to visit the the "Blessed Holy Sacred Site...", at Lourdes.
There are NO TOILETS on the top of Uluru, and it's a long, hot, steep, thirsty climb, undertaken after a big Breakfast, done while hauling a Backpack full of Waterbottles and Energy-Drinks & Snack-Bars....
And, y'see, when Aborigines go off to visit Lourdes, or Westminster Abbey, St Peters' Basilica, the Wailing Wall or the Black Rock...., none of them-there jetsetting get-abouting touring-the-World type of Blackfullas from Oz EVER tries to climb up onto the Altar, or scale the Wall, or jump up on top of the Rock - and thereupon Urinate, Defecate, and change their Tampons...., up atop the Holiest and most Sacred Sites of the Abrahamic & EuroPeon Religions....
They never ever do try to do that - and d' y' have the faintest underconstumblin's as to WHYFORE NOT..?
That would be because, y'see, Aborigines are raised to have better manners than to ever even think of behaving in such a savagely barbaric fashion.
As a 5th-Generation Australian Whitefulla..., I utterly fail to comprehend why anybody would voluntarily burn hundreds of Litres of Fuel, emitting 2.5 Kg of Atmospheric C.O.-2 for every Litre burned, just(ifiably ?) to make a personal Tourist Pilgrimage to the Red Centre of Oz, and then set aside a whole Day of their Lifetimes, devoted to climing up and literally Colon-ising Uluru - travelling a great distance and then emptying their Colon onto everything which they can't be bothered making any effort to understand...(?) ; their vile behaviour reflects very badly on them, their Parents, and the misbegotten Barbaric excuse for a Culture which spawned them...
And as one who was raised as a Whitefulla, they make the rest of us look really Really REALLY Disgusting, as a People.
It doesn't often rain on Uluru y'see, but but these dayze, when it does, then thanks to the Neo-Imperial Colon-ising Tourists, and all their filthy ways...; instead of veritable Holy-Water flowing down off the Rock, filling up the Waterholes, and recharging the Soaks..., what comes down are the rehydrated sun-dried Sewage, discarded Toilet Paper, and used Feminine-Hygiene Products left there by the Scum of the Earth, swarming about the place in Plagues of Fossil-Fume farting conveyances, keen to look at what's left of the Ecology before the Grid fails and the Lights go out - finally.
So, in the very politest terms, to quote from the title of the Video which I happened to have posted a few dayze ago...(beating you to the punch, Aunty-ABC !),
"Stop Colon-ising Uluru...; Bury Your Turds, Instead - Pretty Please...!"
Title-search YT for it, or backtrack me, to see it, feel free...
Just(ifiably ?) sayin',
;-p
Ciao !
@CAROGOPRI
G'day,
Thanks.
As it happens mate, I haven't ever sampled the effects of "Magic Mushrooms"...; because when I was young enough for them to be fashionable I was far too worried about their possible unknown/unwanted lasting (side ?) effects...; and by the time Research had appeared, showing Hallucinogenic Mushrooms to be by far The SAFEST Hallucinogenic known to all of Pharmacology..., I had become reasonably happy with how my Headspace operates, without feeling any desire to add any new Psychotomimetics to the mix.
None of my warbling eloquence or other eccentricities can be blamed on Drug Consumption..., y'see I was the Class Oddball back in Kindergarten - and the fact is that where I come from I'm considered to be the local Fool On The Hill, also the district Mad Scientist, Hillbilly Hermit, loudmouthed tree-hugging extreme Green Extremist, and the regional Celibate Vegetarian Poet as well.
It helps that I live in a tiny Hut on the edge of a clearing in the Regrowth Forest, atop a Ridge,15 Km from Town, on a hundred-acre Endangered Species Sanctuary...
Feel free to fact-check that-all, 5 of my 18 Playlists are of Wildlife Encounters, sorted by Species...; some of my closest friends are Swamp Wallabies & Grey Kangaroos.
Just(ifiably ?) as the Interspecies Forest Community appears to expect me to speak on their behalf, explaining their position to the rest of Humanity ; so it seems that pointing out to the Tourist "Industry" that shitting on Uluru is a display of really savagely and barbaric bad manners - seems to be part of my duties as well....
Somebody has to do it, and who else is better suited, fitted, and positioned to say what I see needs being said ?
Just(ifiably ?) sayin',
Take it easy...
Such is Life,
;-p
Ciao !
@@WarblesOnALot *standing ovation* you are awesome!!!!!! haha
@@LuLu-qh3ux
G'day,
Thanks...!
Perhaps you should backtrack me to my Playlists..., or search my Videos by "most popular" to find my most well-recieved offerings (?)...
Have a good one.
;-p
Ciao !
So amazing to see such passion for other people and the welfare of our planet! People like you give me hope. You're awesome
@@stella-jm2fu
G'day,
Thanks.
I sort of feel that someone has to speak up.
Maybe because I live on an Emdangered Species Sanctuary, and the Native Wildlife have been re-educating me for 28 years...(?).
If you're into it, backtrack me to my Playlists, and see how the whole setup works..., there are about 3,000 Videos on my Scroll, and I run 18 Playists sorted by Topics - with about 5 being Wildlife Close Encounters....
There's also a Playlist of "Aboroginal Technology..."
Enjoy...
;-p
Ciao '
I'd climb it, things been there for millions of years no one owns it. People behaving badly littering etc Should be fined.
Abseil down the pyramids?
@Big Al They are nothing but a bunch of freeloading scam artists
The word “sacred” is a very religious term, everyone is free to believe whatever they want, but no one has right to impose their religious belief on others, that’s the basic principle of separation between church and state, and to punish tourists for visiting a site, for no good reason other than it’s “sacred” for someone else obviously imposed a religious observance on the rest of this country’s community, seems to be a violation of the separation between church and state
There's something fascinating about their language - but I feel some of the 'translation' was misheard - 6:08 sounds like he said people come on "school holidays, a lot of people love to come eh"
The ABC likely confirmed the translation with relevant parties before going to air.
@@GnashMash I'm sure it was "confirmed" by someone, because there are a few parts of the subtitles which he doesn't seem to say himself, but whoever was asked to "interpret" seems to have added their 2-cents in the process. If u listen to him a few times you can make out what he's saying without having to read the subtitles -- it may be difficult to understand, but he is actually speaking broken english. Funny though, what he portrays is that he doesn't mind all of the visitors because that is more income for him from more tours. Which makes you wonder, WHO exactly is it that wants The Rock closed for climbing.???
I was under the impression it was banned years ago why on earth had it taken them so long to ban it!
Give me one good reason why it should have been closed??
perentee77 Respect
too much money 💰 at the entrance gate to give up I guess
@@unicornmagic8610 respect who??? You clearly aren't showing respect to the traditional culture because the traditional culture said it was fine for visitors to climb. Even the aboriginals climbed as tour guides to help visitors climb the rock back in the 1940's.. so who are we meant to be respecting the traditional aboriginals or the aboriginals of today who live more a white man's life then there own traditional life?? By the way the rock was there over 500 million years before the aboriginals arrived and declared ownership over the rock..
perentee77 back in the 1940s you mean when aboriginals were considered part of the animal population? I dont think they had much say back then im sure they weren’t completely happy with it but they put up with it, it has ALWAYS been apart of aboriginal culture not to climb the rock way before Europeans even came here this isnt some new thing and the aboriginal elders of today were alive in the 1940s and they are the ones saying not to, and they dont want to “own” the rock they want to respect and worship it.
I visited Uluru very recently - I wouldn’t have even considered climbing Ayers Rock out of respect. I’m so glad the government are initiating a ban!
The traditional owners are initiating the ban.
Why do you call it Ayer’s Rock?
LOOK AT MY VIRTUE!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ~rolls eyes~
@@JaydenLawson - The Rock has two lawfully recognized names: "Ayers Rock" and "Uluru". In 1873 it was formerly named after Chief Secretary of South Australia: Sir Henry Ayers. In December 15, 1993 a Dual Naming Policy was adopted that consists of both the traditional Aboriginal name and the English name. The rock was officially renamed "Ayers Rock/Uluru" and became the first official dual-named feature in the Northern Territory. The order of the dual names was officially reversed to "Uluru/Ayers Rock" on November 6, 2002 following a request from the Regional Tourism Association in Alice Springs.
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You can tell the Aussies from the tourists -------- watch and see who doesn't seem to mind when a fly crawls over his/her face. Don't like flies? Don't go to Aus.
Why is everybody wearing winter clothes? I thought uluru was in the tropical part of australia, but even in the most southern part it doesnt get below about 10 degrees celsius. These ppl are dressed for scandinavian winter.
Thats it im checking wikipedia.
Just read wikipedia. Uluru is in the northern territory, but in the southern part of it. The most northern part of that province is tropical.
@Al Pal nice to hear youre wearing thongs under your shorts.
😂😂 that must mean something else in australia.
That gets me as well. It’s hot as buggery out there during the day, even during winter it’s pretty warm. Nothing more than t-shirt and shorts needed
The centrelink shirt 😂😂😂😂
lol... Is he taking the piss or what?
@@InoFughaul Yes, it's a joke t-shirt. Says, "living the dream".
Let these Gentle souls be. You wouldn't climb on a church. They've been more than graceful and patient....something they're remarkable for in a crazy world.
I really do appreciate their willingness to keep it open and let people climb. The way visitors have treated Uluru taking shits and chucking garbage polluting both Uluru and the surrounding waterholes is just straight sad.
Id absolutely love to see you go for a walk on your own down the side streets of kathren NT on a Saturday night and describe to me in detail of these gentel souls your so ignorantly refering to..
@Phallus Maximus little wonder we're regarded Internationally as nothing more than low IQ convict trash...nice to see you doing your bit to keep it going.
@Phallus Maximus survived millenia without all the BS you and I need to simply get through a day using nothing but hard won skills and wisdom. Unlike you and me eeking out a miserable existence doing brain dead repetitive shit day in day out. Now that's some shit I can respect. Each to their own....haters gonna hate.
What do you mean a church?? They didn't build it!!
I bet the hotel owners near The Rock are shitting bricks.
A rock is a rock is a rock. Who gave the so called ownership of the rock and how was it obtained in the first place those billions of years ago when the rock through nature came into being? You can only possess land surely and possession passes hands over time. All of Australia for all Australians.
I agree. Why do the Aboriginals get to dictate who climbs it? That's just greedy arrogance. Us non aboriginals can also receive a spiritual experience having climbed it.
It should be free for everyone.
First of all, the owners of Uluru consider it a very sacred site just as many French consider the Notre-Dame to be.
Secondly, your 'all of Australia for all Australians' argument is ridiculous. Non-Aboriginal people only became 'Australians' after the British Empire invaded and stole it from the Australians (Aboriginals) in the 18th century. Prior to the British invasion of Australia only the owners of Uluru and those with permission from them where allowed to access the area. It was never a public place.
Hmmm. They didn't show the current price they charge to enter and have a look...
Mitch Alexander of which the locals get a quarter I believe.
@@JaydenLawson around 5% goes to them i also heard from a certain manager that not 100% of the money donated to the mutijulu community goes towards the community some of the money goes back into the company
Great now Traditional people can leave the cities and live around Ayers Rock - traditional owners??? yeah CENTRELINK T-SHIRT says it all - and by the way he's talking gibberish - not a local language
That vegan teacher could never
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I have climbed Ayres Rock twice and walked around its base twice. Once back in the late 60s when I was a small child, and again in 2002. I can understand some restrictions for the potential danger when climbing the "Rock". I remember when I was a child my father talking to local aboriginals who had no problem with anyone climbing the "rock". It was there for everyone. It appears to me that a more recent epiphany has occurred. I would suggest that for many overseas and Australian tourists, climbing the "Rock" is one of the most important reasons to go to Alice Springs and The Ayres rock area. No doubt tourism in this area will diminish over time. Maybe as a gesture of good will the cost to enter the Uluru National Park be reduced !
Its not an ancient man-made structure such as the pyramids of Egypt or Buddha temples in Asia. Its just a big rock..
To you it's just a rock, to others is a place of great spiritual practices.
There are plenty of other rocks to climb. Respect and compassion come first.
Most of the mountains around SE QLD have similar requests not to climb.
I'm sorry but this is my home too and climbing mountains is about the closest to a spiritual experience I get. I'm not going to let someone else's supernatural belief limit how I enjoy nature.
Uluru is part of Australian nature your beliefs are not mine I respect yours but you can’t just claim something and say it’s yours and no one else can enter that’s simply what kids do in grade 1 by shutting off the rock and only allowing people that fit your ideologies and beliefs is just being ignorant call me conservative all you won’t.
Ignorant is whinging about the indigenous wishes but abide by white man's rules to stay off the harbour bridge ?
Land ownership is white man's law. They are merely exercising their rights as land owners.
@@MrAnperm
We're all caretakers until the next caretakers.
Some have been successful for 60,000 years.
The new have failed in only 250.
The land will still be here if we follow the lead of those who have proven to be successful.
Al Pal it is nature buddy
That’s racist you are assuming I am white your logic is flawed
Nice to see the Law and the Lore in harmony
Nope... The law says "equal opportunity", or maybe even, "would a reasonable person consider it persecution, intolerance, or racism for people of international origin to want to experience climbing this nationally iconic monument?" However, the lore being established here says "what we want is more important than what you want". Nope... this is actually religious superstition (and the subsequent labelling of anybody who opposes it as "disrespectful") being justified by labelling it "cultural sensitivity". Yet again the government supporting more "racist Australia of the future" policies.
Dale Leighton did you watch the video?
They handed it over to the Aboriginal natives, making it unlawful to climb. So yes “Law”.... And It is also more of an equal opportunity now than it was.... no one is allowed to climb. That equal.
Dale Leighton don’t be so precious.
Some People that live outside of Australia would feel happy that the “superstitious” of the original inhabitants are being respected. A move forward, or move move backwards in human relations? Seen differently by some I guess. Maybe we can all ask ourselves why it is we sit on one side of the debate or the other.
England colonises Australia with out a treaty, hunts the natives for sport, pushes them out of the fertile areas of land.. gives them back a rock and propel such as you are having a whinge ..
jo dirt good luck with that
There's more interesting experiences and knowledge to be gained by walking the base with Anangu ppl. Basic respect costs nothing....and despite the age of Narcissism, not everything in this world revolves around the individual or their need to gratify all they want. These peaceful ppl have been so very patient.
It costs some the spiritual experience of the climb.
Uluru was a sacred men's site so if they want to stick to traditional culture then women should be banned from visiting the rock . but that is not politically correct
Haha shows how much you know
@@rebeccawelcome2430 bahahahahahaha well said!!!!!!!!! Hayden, you're incorrect.There are men's sacred sights around the rock, and there are womens sacred sites. But the rock as a whole is neither a mens or womens site. Kata Tjuta, that's traditionally a men's site.
Hayden Power I believe it’s just a watering hole on top which is a small sacred meeting spot. Not the whole thing
@@LuLu-qh3ux so in a way he is actually kind of right.. Kata Tjuta (heads many) is sacred men's area, so should all woman be banned from visiting it? If we are going to obey one law such as not climbing the rock, why not then obey all laws and ban humans with a vagina from visiting kata tjuta??
perentee77 as a guide of a decade I’d expect you’d be aware that the areas open at kata tjuta are away from the main sensitive sites and it was a balance met between allowing visitors of both genders vs protecting the culture.
This video it's for the Australia people
Im Australian, its in Australia I have a right to climb it
You don't have the right to trespass.
They should have closed it decades ago. It should have never been climbed.
I was thinking the same thing about tetanus, measles, polio and tuberculosis... man should never have medled with nature... things should be left the way they are -- natural and unadulterated. **sarcasm**
@@daleleighton, I think you missed the point of the original comment. I believe the reason they are saying it should never have been climbed in the first place comes from a place of respect, not an argument of whether or not we should meddle with nature or not, heck, they even used some sort of electronic device to make that comment.
@jo dirt YEAH and ban aborigines getting centrelink payments, free healthcare, free taxi's free cars, free housing, free electricity, free clothing subsidies, free airfares,.. etc etc etc the list is endless
@jo dirt LOL what rent? White people never invaded Australia as the aboriginals never organised anything close to a nation before colonisation which was the best thing to have ever happened to the aboriginals. We should have deported aboriginals a long time ago but unfortunately we didn't. So why don't you guys make a contribution to society, hand back AYERS ROCK (not uluru) to the public and get off welfare.
@jo dirt No it's Ayers Rock you racist. Now pay back the billions in tax dollars that you aboriginals stole from hard working Australians.
It should belong to all Australians! The Aboriginal people did not build it and they should never have been granted control of it. Comparing it to climbing a church is totally intellectually dishonest.
The environmental damage aspects are also greatly overstated and would easily be solved by implementing a few basic restrictions. A very regrettable decision.
Fully agree. Plus you CAN climb churches... Its welcomed all over the world!!! I have climbed several Churches and cathedrals throughout Europe! Its a god dam rock, that belongs to all occupants of the planet earth. We are all human and should all have equal rights!
Uluru is made of sandstone and walking on it deteriorates it much faster than rain. Pretty reasonable for the traditional (and legal) owners to request nobody else climbs it, as tourism to Uluru has seen rapid rise in the last couple of decades.
Think of this like a priest setting limits on where the public can walk/access in their church - can you climb on the altars? Walk on the pews? No, and why? Well because it would cause damage, and it would be disrespectful, and because the owner has said no.
It's really not very complicated if you have any sympathy or empathy and be willing to think about it for more than a few seconds.
@mccheeseburger01 - So your argument is that the white Australians who didn't build it and were here tens of thousands of years after the Aboriginals should have it, because reasons? Restrictions have been enacted many times and tourists (and mostly local Australians) have outright flaunted them. There's been intentionally disrespectful stuff done hundreds of times: stripteases atop Uluru, people filming themselves defecating on it or sharing photos, people hitting golf balls of it, etcetc. The Uluru board left the ability to climb open to the public (but asked them not to) for the last 35 years, and now have finally said 'enough is enough' and voted to to close it. To suggest that they haven't already tried 'basic restrictions' is insultingly ignorant.
Your entire comment is intellectually dishonest, as you haven't researched a damn thing you've mentioned.
@James Griffiths - you can only 'climb' some chuches and that's usually just the purpose-built stairs in the cathedral, which usually charge a 'donation' fee to do so. Name one church in Australia that lets you absail up the exterior? Welcomed all over the world, I bet! Just so you know, the local Aboriginals legally own Uluru, it is theirs. You cool with them walking through your house when they please? Discarding their rubbish and relieving themselves wherever they feel like? To cry 'we are all human and should have equal rights!' in this context is incredibly childish and entitled.
@N3WSTAX Does this "We were here first" philosophy apply to every square foot of earth? Who does it apply to? How far do we go back to redraw borders and land ownership? Did the aboriginals occupy every square inch of the continent? Why are people who walk to a specific part of the continent deemed "valid", but people who arrive on a boat deemed "invalid"?
@N3WSTAX First you say "they" now you say "we" ???
One group excluding others because of their belief. Where else do we tolerate this?
Actually religious interference (and discrimination) in peoples lives is tolerated all over the world. I agree, its wrong.
In every Islamic country.
Germany, in early 1940's...
what's so sacred about it? not being offensive, i just want to know
Mr18849 it’s been used for rituals and been sacred for the traditional people from thousands of years ago.
So they say
It's private property, if anyone trespasses on my property I'd pull out 303
@Dave D bet that's what you say to your mother. They fucken own it !! It was confiscated then given back to the Anangu people. How hard is that to u.u.d.e.r.s.t.a.n.d duhhh
@@thefootballers5615 So practically no reason that it's "sacred" then? Especially since what you said is totally made up.
Uluru is sacred and owned by the local people - Thank goodness that the climbing on Uluru has ceased.
Wait a few years for an elder to claim climbing it is fine so they can make back the money they will lose
What a silly comment. No climbing Uluru means less tourism which means less income for the local people.
"traditional owners" is a political term . traditional aboriginal culture doesn't have the concept of ownership of land it viewed its people as part of the land.
@jo dirt They walked from Africa. Everyone is .. We are all the same dam people
@CAROGOPRI atleast we keep the traditional culture going
I climbed it on grade 6 camp. I was 13 (1993) I knew no better. But can’t do much now. But I have no regrets.
Charz Star Because you and your ancestors don't respect other people's culture and values.
Matt Sherv did you forget the internet was non existent. Same with mobile phones. You only knew what you were taught.
@@mattsherv1986 Are you serious? Do you realise that Aboriginals make up 1% of the Australian population and 10% of the prison population? You don't get sent to prison for being respectful of other people.
We don't like people to go on Uluru it's very special is made of rocks and sand it's from major and and is very a special for the Australia people younger club is the Australia people go and I'm in younger club at livis Park School it's a school to learn the role of the world and we don't like people to climb Uluru and where with Miss Hannah see teachers about Uluru but the real name is Ayres Rock that's the first name but the Australia people change it to Uluru and I drawn like put glass around the to everyone think it's still open but they get hit by the glass to pay back 2 hurting the Uluru
What ever ur on... can I have some
Everest and Fuji, amongst many other mountains, volcanoes and natural features are considered sacred by various peoples and cultures as well. I am curious as to the reaction that people would have if the Everest climb was banned, or swimming in the Ganges or entering the pyramids or Valley of the Kings/Queens etc.
Lot of turists wouldn't be happy, yet the popularity of the attractions you mentionned really causes a lot of problems, mainly pollution and degradation of the envrironment. That's a difficult balance between sacred places and freedom of movement.
In the case of Everest, some base camps has already been closed because of this, and the mountain is filled with pills of trashes all the way that the local sherpas have to deal with almost on their own.
@@tetra4289 I am aware of the rubbish and what not but that's a different issue.
I am sure some of the sherpas would be rather depressed to see the oxygen bottles and other litter that is spread all over their sacred mountain.
Personally I am of two minds about it all. I believe experiencing "the climb", be it Fuji-sama, Everest or Uluru is part of showing it respect in a way. Like camping you pack out what you pack in, leave only footprints and take only memories.
I realised I had never seen photos from the top of Uluru, I looked them up.. wow.. I can see why people climb it, the view is breathtaking.
What do you think?
you know about pyramid people live there wont climb it if you climb pyramid you will happen future same aborigine said.
@@tivet4 Are you trying to say the Egyptian government won't let me climb, what you said does not make much sense. I know you can't climb the pyramids, it's a crime. Yet you can climb Kata Tuja, Devils marbles and other sites.
Try climbing on the harbour bridge without permission..?
Typical numbskull tourists that go to such a mind blowing site with so much to see and learn and climbing the rock like mountain goats is all they can think of.
Disrespectful.
I was at Ayers rock many years ago but did not climb. I walked around the perimeter and was shocked at the deplorable filthy conditions that they lived in and they created it. So much for cultural significance. I believe that it should not be climbed
The rock was there 500 million years before the aboriginals arrived and claimed ownership of it. Even they climb the rock. Aboriginals were even tour guides that helped the tourist climb the rock back in the 1940s. Educate yourself before commenting..
If a Buddhist monk or a local aboriginal told you not join the Sydney Harbour Bridge climb would that bluff you out of doing it?
This is step 1 to banning non-Anangu from getting anywhere within sight of it.
That’ll never happen. Locals reckon the climb will re-open if their revenue drops
@@ActuallyJakob lol yeah, these bogans don't know squat about anything.
The rock.....is a mystery...one of our issues in the western industrialised culture of the 21st century is letting the before mentioned remain just that..... its a good idea to let the mystery be.....and keep some magic in our world......dream...dream....on.
no, it isn't. mystery is ignorance, it's never good letting ignorance "be"
@jo dirt
why?
@jo dirt virtue signaling the remembrance of the men and women (mostly men) who gave their lives for the freedoms you have now?
good one.
you're free to rack off to a communist country and enjoy life there.
@jo dirt sneaky bastard....like hitting a blind man
@jo dirt ...can you explain how prople WANTING to see/experience The Rock, a part of Australian culture which the local blacks seem to find to near-and-dear to their hearts, how do u relate that to "demonizing" & "de-humanising" them.? I mean, from what I have read of your comments on this thread, you are one of the most racist and intolerant people here. It selfish, arrogant, shallow, spiteful, ignorant people like YOU who create the great divide between cultures in Australia. I see black and white kids playing together in the grade 1 schoolyard with no animosity toward each other at all, but after dealing with B.S. like yours, then people become resentful. So why don't you have a moment of thoughtful respect for all of the blacks in Australia before you answer: "How exactly is WANTING to see a so-called aboriginal icon parralleled with demonizing blacks.??"
The rock belongs to all Australians, not one group and it certainly wasn't a problem for earlier elders to have people climbing the rock. Soon we won't be able to walk on the beach.
@ Luke Tramachi haha get use to it mate we taking back our land
@jo dirt Why does this "We were here first" philosophy only get applied toward White people? Every race and culture under the sun has invaded and colonised. Except for White people, all others only returned conquered land because they themselves were re-conquered. In Canada we're also incessantly told "give back the land". Funny, Mexicans are never told to do this. Nor are the South American Spanish and Portuguese. Or any other race of people.
The climb will reopen in years to come!!!!
Michael S because its such an inconvenience to you that you cant walk on this specific rock.
Maybe we shouldn't walk over the Harbour Bridge as well
Anyway The Climbing of Ayers Rock will reopen in a few years due to $$$ and you know it !!!!
Michael S The Sydney harbour bridge isnt a sacred site? And 80% of tourists dont even climb anyways.
@@unicornmagic8610Climbing Ayers Rock will happen again due to $$$$
Michael S righto well its not open now so guess youll just have to get over it.
The difference between climbing a church and uluru is that a church is a purposely built building constructed by humans as a place of worship. Uluru is a rock, which no human took part in creating.
It would also be a tremendous hypocrisy to prevent others from climbing if there are still other "native aka older generation of people " climbing it...
When the new spring and official earth new year has begun....
All humans who claim ownership of land the people the animals and or earths freely given gifts will be left to a barren land as if by magic.....
Love or fall again
What are you talking about?