Application storage is your problem. The application games and data where it syncs automatically in the background and saves it for later so when you delete apps and redownloading apps again that data is saved to iCloud in a separate patrician on your account so that’s probably where your 6gb is being used at even though you have iCloud files turned off.
so does that mean if Drew's or his wife's iphones got lost those app data would be lost too, if they require Apple ID to store on the cloud? A friend of mine lost his game process of _6 months_ for this shit
@@anetizen6404 retro games may not require an account. if you delete the app, the data is linked to the device and will be lost. Most games these days require some sort of registration (email/face book/iTunes/etc.) and these are safe to delete as long as you remember your login credentials. If a game has 6 months of content and no account registration then it is a fatal flaw and I would never put that much time in a game that had no security.
I mean, apple did replace iCloud from a fairly expensive service (MobileMe, I think), so I don’t think they’ll replace the free tier. For just me, I’m using about half of the 5gb plan.
Don’t know how no one is talking about this. I use the shared albums to keep all my photos because it doesn’t count in our iCloud storage plan. I have 20gb+ of photos and videos on it and totally accessible anywhere. Please share your views because am I doing any mistakes ?
No you’re not homie. Drew states it about principle but at the end if the day, who care enough about even 29/month. For apple one services. I have a great education and career. But even if I did not, you would never ever hear me wining and complaining about such tribal items as this ha new loves to listen to. The channel should truly be renamed to Talli-Complaints. I just can’t watch this any longer. The world has real issues. And Drew us so narrow in his world views that I cannot allow myself to spend another second listening to hah crying over spilt milk.
I feel this, I refuse to get the 50 GB plan because of the hassle that it would be to downgrade if or when I wanted to do so. Also I’m using 2.8 / 5 GB currently so upgrading to 50 GB would be pointless
@@jjb0894 Yeah I don’t know why someone would pay for the 2 TB upfront if they wanted the storage, since you can upgrade at any time. Just use the lowest amount possible in that moment
yea I caved after years of resisting and got the 50GB plan, I might downgrade later but for now I'm just enjoying having all my photos in the cloud, I don't think I'll ever need more as I don't take a ton of pictures
You can set messages to delete after a certain period, which can help clear up messages in icloud. I personally have mine set to a month, but I understand that a lot of people prefer to keep history of texts.
we backup files locally and since our family isn't as tech-savvy as yours we never thought of storing photos on a cloud service was an option until recently when we _"discovered" that Google could help _*_sync photos across devices_* we store photos the most traditional way-use _hard drives, including external ones_ and we still have several TBs left unused and I received some hard disks from my relatives' old computers that could *basically function as external local storage and "backup storage* too possibly saves the Internet cost too
I have always recorded in 1080p 60fps instead of 4K. Which saves me a lot of space. 4K on such a small iPhone camera is a joke anyway. You can’t see the difference, and it takes up 4times the space. Yes it’s 4K, but it’s not only pixels that matters. I love having all my photos on my iPhone, with live photos. Hope you remembered to download them in heic, and not the converted jpg format.
Fair enough. But as a family of 4 we all religiously use Apple Music, Apple TV+ and have required iCloud storage for work and school purposes for a few years now. Since Apple One Premier works out to just over $10 person, it genuinely is a good deal as we can share everything between our iCloud Family devices including the 2TB for backup up photos and all of our devices. It's genuinely so much more convenient than constantly backing stuff up to hard drives (our important stuff is still backed up to physical drives).
In general I agree, but being able to sync business files / data and access it from iPhone, iPad and MacBook is worth it to me, plus, family synced data makes it very hard to reduce and remove iCloud (well done apple) 😅
Same here I have maxed family members in the account and with my start up we use my iCloud storage for a lot of our files and content creation workflow so I wouldn’t say I’m stuck that’s more of I make a lot more money and save time plus comfort for those $10 that I would be willing to pay even 50 or $100 a month for this kind of comfort and utility.
Essentially what your realizing from this whole experience is that the ecosystem is only pretty when you give apple a certain amount of money. It's why I love how android deals with photos and files- when you plug your phone into a laptop, everything just shows up in folders that you can read and write from, it's literally just copy and paste in either direction
Not at all. iMessage, airdrop, universal control, airplay, and more all still work without paying a penny per month. Ecosystem is still fantastic without iCloud
@@TailosiveTech I'm not discounting those advantages, I'm saying that as you add more apple devices, the ecosystem becomes exponentially better. So if you choose to buy only 1 or 2 apple devices, then you will only get a fraction of the ecosystem benefits and the remainder of your "outside" devices will be a hassle to work with ( you can't backup iPhone to NAS without macbook, you can't cast your phone screen to chromecast, you can't use NFC to send files, etc) In this scenario you had the benefit of having an old iMac that you can use as a backup machine, but this solution wouldn't work for someone who only has an iPhone and no apple laptop (yes, you can backup to windows, but the experience is devastatingly painful, it makes you want to pull your hair out) Tl:dr If you choose to stick with just an iPhone (Cuz you are poor or not a techy guy) then iCloud is the only option that isn't a major headache
Not really, it’s hard to detach from a part of the apple ecosystem, doesn’t mean it’s important to pay extra money. For example, iPhone and Mac, can have airdrop, universal clipboard etc. without iCloud, however if you want, iCloud will help do more like syncing iMessage, pages, keynote documents etc.
Weird support couldn’t do it. I used to work for Apple - left this February. A senior advisor should go in there, refresh your storage. That should clear it up.
The best advice about tech & recession.I am an a 50 GB iCloud plan, and I think it will be enough, because I try to keep as local as possible. Seeing what you are doing about those many subscriptions, and I think it is really helpful to think about it. Thx!
This is why I never wanted to use iCloud photos. Because the downgrade process or downloading your photos/videos to move them elsewhere is complicated, and not to mention super slow with internet I have currently. I use iCloud messages, and when my storage is getting full, I go find which conversations are taking the most space, go to it, get to the “all photos” section and delete those, so I can keep the messages. My storage was at around 3.2 GB, I deleted some stuff, waited a few days (needs to “upload” the new messages overnight), and now it’s 2.4, and could probably go lower. It’s been nice being able to search for an old message without worrying if it’s older than 30 days (the auto delete thing, which is easier but you lose messages and attachments) My number one feature request for iOS is more options for auto deleting old messages. Like how there’s a separate option for the audio messages, make an option for photos/videos, and even better, those could be separated. And make more time in between 1 year and 30 days, choose an amount of months and maybe longer than a year for those who want it. But at least the “auto delete photos/videos older than 30 days” or whatever time frame would help so much I use the photo steam so I can get photos that I take on my iPhone on my iPad, and it doesn’t take any iCloud storage. I don’t really need to access videos. I always think of the Apple keynotes where they showed how you take a picture with your iPhone, and using iCloud photos, it’ll show up right away on your iPad or something so you can put it in your document. But photo stream works basically the same way, although I don’t know how fast it is in comparison
Tip: Create a second photo library by holding the option key while open Photos App on a mac. Set under preferences NOT to sync to iCloud. Import your photos from iPhone. Quit and relaunch the Photos App while holding the option key. Choose the default library (that’s still sync with iCloud) Now you can delete photos from iCloud Bonus Tip: when storing things locally use Time Machine for backups.
I'm using the lifetime plan from pCloud and I'm very happy with it. Couldn't recommend it enough. Not a power user, but for backup and being able to access my files from anywhere and from any device, is more than ok.
Drew, be careful with your suggestion on deleting photos from apple photos after downloading it all in full resolution. If you delete a Photo on your icloud connected iphone apple photos app then it WILL delete on your fully downloaded Mac icloud apple photos library, if that one is also still connected to your icloud library!!! The only way you can get it to not delete, is you need to have icloud photos library switched off after you downloaded all your photos in full resolution on your mac. I hope that helps people. I have dealt with icloud photos library for a decade now and im on apple support phone hotline many times, because some things are just not working as intended. Thanks for the video though!
I’ve also heard of “Terabox” - 1,024GB cloud storage for free. I don’t know their compatibility or business model or what have you, but 1TB for free sounds cool.
They are indeed not trustable. When I initially read their privacy policy it seemed not trust worthy. They mentioned that the data will be stored in Hong Kong and they do have the right to your data + no mention of any encryption at all. I always stays away anything Chinese
the 1TB _Onedrive_ plan is the best bang for the buck but since Drew's not gonna pay for 1TB of cloud storage anymore then yeah... just for a reference
LOL Drew, when I started working at Apple the turning off iCloud Photo Library wording was confusing as heck for me as well. It actually makes sense but the wording is still confusing. They need to have a diagram or example in there for people to understand how it works.
If you are looking for archive storage, then a 14TB USB drive costs something like $240. Obviously not practical for things you need to access regularly.
I have a 2 bay NAS I use for that sort of photo backup - it's ideal and with the iOS app it automatically backs up the photos just like iCloud. I do still pay for 200GB iCloud though as I find the seamlessness of it good value, and I regularly go through my library and remove photos I don't "need".
@@RodelCasio I don't. I've been considering trying back blaze but I can't justify the additional cost at this point, especially with the ongoing energy crisis!
Degoo also periodically give free storage to your account I have I think an extra 12 go that they’ve given me after using for a long time and they also say that if your account is inactive for 90 days I think it starts like an automatic account deletion or something like that
I've recently done a clean up on my Icloud drive and One drive as I had a mixture a stuff stored across both. One Drive (5gb free) is now only used for one thing, where as I pay for 200gb iCloud storage for the extra storage but for Family sharing, as I have 3 family member who aren't that tech savy to do regular back up and photo downloads. They don't take that many photos either. Currently only have about 50gb used across 5 iphones, 4 ipads and 1 ipod. But the family sharing it great for sharing calendars etc and I don't mind paying $4.50 AUD for it.
2:36 which means, roughly a $40,000 increase, yes you read that correctly, in yearly storage costs for Apple per gigabyte, meaning they only need to spend an extra $200k a year to upgrade the base plan to 10GB. You don’t need to defend them on everything, Drew. (Figures estimated using the cost Apple pays per EB to Google.)
@@TailosiveTech YES. By your logic they shouldn’t upgrade the base iPhone storage also, they should just keep it at 64GB forever because “why spend the extra money just because it’d be nice”. More than 5GB storage isn’t a “nice to have”, it’s a necessity in 2022.
@@rbjk You clearly dont understand how companies work lol. Their one mission is to make money, and increasing the free iCloud storage will do the opposite of that. It costs apple money and people who have been on the fence will downgrade to the free tier. You are saying more than 5GB storage is a necessity in 2022? Well guess what, that means that Apple will earn even more money on iCloud subscriptions since it is a "necessity". Your argument also fails since if apple is going to increase the base storage for iPhones it will definitely come with a price increase as well.
Yeah pretty much I’m also sick of the oversaturation of services, I just cancelled family Apple Music this month because a price increase in Mexico and I don’t use the music that much just with CarPlay so I moved to TH-cam music (which is kind of lame but gets the job done) as I already pay for TH-cam premium for cheap via vpn
Ever since iCloud was born I’ve always had the free 5GB. I now have the 200GB option only cause I got Apple one and still to this day I’m only using 2.6GB that I’m sure I can get rid of anytime I want and won’t miss. I refuse to depend on the cloud for important things. I’d rather have an external drive and store everything there. External drives are so cheap these days every time I’m low on storage space I go to Costco and get a new larger option. Right now I have a 6TB external drive and still have 2TB of free space and I divided the drive in 2 partitions so the other 2TB are for Time Machine and the other 4 is what I use to store crap in. Don’t buy iCloud. It’s not worth the dependence
one thing that drives me crazy but lately these days, especially when you have a lot of devices. when you text you don't realize how many messages you send and receive everyday. I hate how on the Mac and Apple Watch you can't select multiple messages and delete them all at once on Iphone and Ipad you can but Apple Watch and Mac you can't which is very annoying and is very time consuming
Have a look on the iCloud online and clear out the bin. I’ve had that before on both iCloud and Google. That doesn’t show anywhere but that takes up iCloud space.
Something I have noticed with iCloud photos is that it chooses by random photos that become corrupted and can’t be accessed. Usually they are the ones that have been edited on iPhoto or with adobe photoshop or other add-ons. I have called Apple and they can’t tell me why they are corrupted and it has been sent on to the higher up people and still for these photos the only thing that is left is the low-res preview when I pay Apple for the full res quality to be stored. So it’s just frustrating as a photographer, because I have lost some amazing shots that I faced and edited that now are destroyed by Apple’s servers.
Well, to keep my cloud storage low, i actually do have a NAS and a DAS. My NAS is a Synology and my DAS a DROBO 5D. Very happy with both! I also have a LaCie "6 Big." As for cloud storage, i have the €0,99 (same in $ so $0,99) for 50GB! It's more than enough for me. I always move my photo's and video's from my iPhone immediately to my Mac and to my backups so i mostly use my iCloud storage for temporary media use and i use it for documents like pages so that i can move those between my Mac Pro, iPhone and Macbook Air. It's so easy and it works. It's also a nice UI and simple to understand. Though, the calendar is a bit weirder to understand to be honest. But i need to watch someone on TH-cam that has some good knowledge about this. So when i find the time, i'm going to look this up. But for now, i am pretty happy.
Hi, do you ever worry about maintenance with your NAS and DAS? How do you keep up with them? Coz I’ve seen people going for cloud storage since they won’t have to worry about drives being broken
I feel the same as you. It’s the principle of it. Fees will never end it seems. Just wish family would jump on board with this. Hard to add argue when it’s only $3 a month. Ugh. I guess 1st world problems.
I would question your presumption that if you store full size photos on Mac, they will not go away when deleted on iPhone. This is not how photos sync works. Photos did not disappear on mac most likely because there were still lots of to sync in a queue or something. I had full res photos stored on my Mac for a long time and it did delete them when I deleted them on iPhone. Good you did a library backup anyway.
My iphone 4 has an outdated google photos app so it still backs up unlimited files, plus it still syncs with my icloud so pictures on my main iphone shows up in google photos for me
I’m convinced that your iCloud Drive issue is a bug. I have it too. I have maybe 1GB of files in iCloud Drive, but it says I have 16GB of files according to iCloud Drive. I hope it gets resolved.
Genuinely curious as to why you prefer cloud services over a NAS for long term bulk storage. If you’ve covered it in another vid, just point me in that direction.
@@maxsantayana4345 I did watch the spooky intro. He likes to put chapters in his videos for those who don’t want to watch the intro skits and I just wanted it to be accurate. 🙂
I have the same issue with ghost/cached files on iCloud aswell! But instead with about 30GB of ghost files of iCloud photos which I deleted now they’re all stuck in cache/as ghost files and there’s no way to delete them hopefully as you said after 30 days they should be gone
I find the 50GB more than enough I’ve not even used a quarter of it and that my personal cap I’ve placed on it, if I go near 15GB it’s time to do some house keeping and for 79p per month it’s nothing so 50GB is a great deal I suppose Apple will one day charge for all options including the 5GB perhaps up it to 20GB for 49p then year later price increases for all 20GB becomes 79p that it once used to be, this is how it used to be one time 5GB free 20GB 79p so I recon this is how Apple will get rid of the free 5GB option
I wonder if its stuff from Icloud drive in your recycling bin? that would be the only thing i could think of that might be residual data with icloud drive turned off on every device
This video gave me anxiety for when I run out of my 2 TB…😭😭😭 I wish I could pay $5 for 100 Petabytes. I might not run out of storage then. So far I’ve not had warnings. 729.8 GBs used so far. I also don’t like talking to people, especially strangers. I’m an introvert.
Have you checked for hidden files and folders stored in your iCloud Drive anything starting with a . Will not be shown unless you have show hidden folders turned on
My time is worth way much more for me than this few bucks a month to do such trickery like you did. :D And if I ever arrive at 2TB (which I don’t think I will, since I don’t do any videos and my iMessage auto deletes after 1 year) I just will offload the oldest stuff to NAS.
While I do agree that it’s annoying that there are so many subscription services now, can you really blame apple for the iCloud fee? I mean, it’s a much older subscription service than any of the other popular ones, really.
Drew you should really look into getting a Synology NAS specially for Synology Photos. This method makes sure you keep all your data. It is a little investment at first but is really worth it. My wife had 4 TB of family photos (photos and videos of her as a baby until now as an adult) and is definitely worth it. Another pro is that the data stays your data, these free cloud providers give you more storage but not because they’re nice, remember they’re like google so they sell your data
Personally I don't understand your reasoning... after 30 years in IT, 40 using computers the idea of accessible storage from anywhere and any device has always been a dream. It's actually one of the reasons I moved into the Apple ecosystem. Many companies are moving any application that can be cloud based off local storage, this is slowly moving to consumers as well yet you did the opposite for $10 a month? I think the iCloud data is pretty cheap, I could easily do without one of my streaming services for the convenience alone.
well businesses do have some more affordable plans for multi-TB cloud storage options, plus what profit they can generate/costs they can save from such "convenience and reliability" might make these plans feel worthy...
iCloud data is probably one of the worst deals out there tbh. I’m not against the idea of cloud storage I’m just in favor of not paying for what I don’t need
@@TailosiveTech Understand, part of the extra cost for me vs Google or others is simply the convince. There are hassles as well since I can't really use it easily with my gaming PCs. Thank you for clarifying, if it's more of just the extra cost of iCloud over the others that makes more sense!
Moved all to my Synology NAS... And never look back...it even sync all my photos via internet to my NAS.... And access my file via internet as well...via Synology drive...it work like icloud drive
I want to downgrade my iCloud+ to free version but I simplay can't. Before, I used around 15 GB of storage on my iCloud. After deleting around 14,8 GB worth of backup, I still can't downgrade my iCloud because it still says that I used 14,9 GB of storage, as if the backup is not deleted but rather hidden somewhere. Can anyone help me?
It's also infuriating that the Photos app on the Mac doesn't let you keep photos just locally if you have iCloud photos turned on. I prefer to use iCloud Photos so I don't lose my photos in case my phone gets broken or lost/stolen, so it would be nice if I could have the experience of using the Photos app to view and browse my photos without having to sync it to iCloud. I end up having no way to conveniently browse my DSLR camera photos other than just looking at it using Finder. The iPhoto days were surely better than this in regards to offline photo browsing 🙄. Yes, I know that third party apps/software exists, but Apple practically only letting us use iCloud photos for the Photos app is so unfair for the customers.
My pictures and video’s where everywhere and nowhere on multiple Apple products, I tried to fix it, but it would took soo many hours to fix it. At that point I had 50GB to save my stuff. Than I went to 200GB and I could also back my pictures and video’s up. But it’s already on 187GB with 12K+ pictures and video’s. I want to upgrade to 2TB, because that’s €9,99 instead €2,99 :(. So maybe going to store pictures and video’s from 2019 and 2020 to my portable SSD, but than I can’t see the location where I made it. Soo I don’t know what I should do yet.
Eh icloud is kind of useless anyway as a main backup. I do manual full backups on iTunes and it's flawless no matter than the non ios users say. I have zero pictures or emails saved in my icloud but i do allow my calendar, notes, and contacts to always be backed up since those are too important which take up like no space since the space hogging is from photos and pictures, messages, and emails to some extent. And i actually use iCloud drive as like my flashdrive. 5gb is fine for the normal person as long as they do manual backups on a mac or pc at least monthly which doesn't take long. The first initial backup file will take as much as few hours if it's massive but after that it's pretty quick.
Remember if it's free you are the product. I'd encrypt my backups on any free services hell even paid services you never know what they are doing your files. Remember the cloud is just another person's computer.
I remove my videos from iCloud photos before I was using 100Gb Now Im just using 30gb I downgrade from 200gb to 50gb. It's not much but it's a lot in the long run I make use of the icloud link as it can download as folder. I can then arrange it by date or by event easily.
I have amazon prime and they have free cloud storage, shutterfly, photos, mac back up, and a usb for all my stuff. So I am not too concerned but the cloud stuff is always just a mess so you cannot leave. Even giving Apple $0.99 for storage for 1 million users is almost an extra million dollars in revenue a year. So it adds up.
The way apple integrates iCloud into everything is a mess. Thankfully I've never used it. I store my photos in Google photos and files in Drive. And will migrate to a NAS once it become too much. My philosophy of using Apple products but not their services is the way to go
Application storage is your problem. The application games and data where it syncs automatically in the background and saves it for later so when you delete apps and redownloading apps again that data is saved to iCloud in a separate patrician on your account so that’s probably where your 6gb is being used at even though you have iCloud files turned off.
so does that mean if Drew's or his wife's iphones got lost those app data would be lost too, if they require Apple ID to store on the cloud? A friend of mine lost his game process of _6 months_ for this shit
@@anetizen6404 retro games may not require an account. if you delete the app, the data is linked to the device and will be lost. Most games these days require some sort of registration (email/face book/iTunes/etc.) and these are safe to delete as long as you remember your login credentials.
If a game has 6 months of content and no account registration then it is a fatal flaw and I would never put that much time in a game that had no security.
I’d be curious what it’s actually storing though, because I’ve deleted and re-downloaded apps with iCloud on and the data was not recovered.
@@anetizen6404 On an iPhone, you should be able to store a full backup locally, through iTunes on Windows, not sure where the equivalent on Mac is.
@@00SNIVY00 On Mac, you can back-up on Finder (macOS Catalina or later) or on iTunes (macOS Mojave or earlier)
I mean, apple did replace iCloud from a fairly expensive service (MobileMe, I think), so I don’t think they’ll replace the free tier. For just me, I’m using about half of the 5gb plan.
Don’t know how no one is talking about this.
I use the shared albums to keep all my photos because it doesn’t count in our iCloud storage plan.
I have 20gb+ of photos and videos on it and totally accessible anywhere.
Please share your views because am I doing any mistakes ?
I do that as well but don’t like it as much as them just being in my library.
No you’re not homie. Drew states it about principle but at the end if the day, who care enough about even 29/month. For apple one services. I have a great education and career. But even if I did not, you would never ever hear me wining and complaining about such tribal items as this ha new loves to listen to. The channel should truly be renamed to Talli-Complaints. I just can’t watch this any longer. The world has real issues. And Drew us so narrow in his world views that I cannot allow myself to spend another second listening to hah crying over spilt milk.
@@MrThebigd1973 well personal data storage has become a modern problem too for the emergence of more-expensive cloud storage options nowadays
@@christophercrawford2736 is it safe to store like that ? I’m not sure
@@techfaux had stuff in those albums for years 🤷♂️
I feel this, I refuse to get the 50 GB plan because of the hassle that it would be to downgrade if or when I wanted to do so. Also I’m using 2.8 / 5 GB currently so upgrading to 50 GB would be pointless
Yeah, I had the 2 TB plan for a while, and ultimately downgraded because I only need the 200 GB plan and it’s pointless to pay for more than I need.
@@jjb0894 Yeah I don’t know why someone would pay for the 2 TB upfront if they wanted the storage, since you can upgrade at any time. Just use the lowest amount possible in that moment
@@halami2149 Lol Muricans actually do that? Crazy.
@@guyincognito5663 My sisters friend did that, I’m pretty sure (when I saw it) she was under 200 but had the 2 TB plan
yea I caved after years of resisting and got the 50GB plan, I might downgrade later but for now I'm just enjoying having all my photos in the cloud, I don't think I'll ever need more as I don't take a ton of pictures
You can set messages to delete after a certain period, which can help clear up messages in icloud. I personally have mine set to a month, but I understand that a lot of people prefer to keep history of texts.
we backup files locally and since our family isn't as tech-savvy as yours we never thought of storing photos on a cloud service was an option until recently when we _"discovered" that Google could help _*_sync photos across devices_*
we store photos the most traditional way-use _hard drives, including external ones_
and we still have several TBs left unused
and I received some hard disks from my relatives' old computers that could *basically function as external local storage and "backup storage* too
possibly saves the Internet cost too
I have always recorded in 1080p 60fps instead of 4K. Which saves me a lot of space. 4K on such a small iPhone camera is a joke anyway. You can’t see the difference, and it takes up 4times the space. Yes it’s 4K, but it’s not only pixels that matters.
I love having all my photos on my iPhone, with live photos. Hope you remembered to download them in heic, and not the converted jpg format.
I have the 200 GB plan via Apple One and I also like the additional iCloud+ features.
💀 give drew an Emmy for that intro
was fire haha
Fair enough. But as a family of 4 we all religiously use Apple Music, Apple TV+ and have required iCloud storage for work and school purposes for a few years now. Since Apple One Premier works out to just over $10 person, it genuinely is a good deal as we can share everything between our iCloud Family devices including the 2TB for backup up photos and all of our devices. It's genuinely so much more convenient than constantly backing stuff up to hard drives (our important stuff is still backed up to physical drives).
This video is underrated. Thank you.
In general I agree, but being able to sync business files / data and access it from iPhone, iPad and MacBook is worth it to me, plus, family synced data makes it very hard to reduce and remove iCloud (well done apple) 😅
Same here I have maxed family members in the account and with my start up we use my iCloud storage for a lot of our files and content creation workflow so I wouldn’t say I’m stuck that’s more of I make a lot more money and save time plus comfort for those $10 that I would be willing to pay even 50 or $100 a month for this kind of comfort and utility.
@@endwaro7486 Agreed, (Don't say you'd be willing to pay more though, Apple might can sense these things...!) 😅
definitly one of the more worthwhile subscription services out there
I have wanted a video exactly like this! Thank you!!!
Essentially what your realizing from this whole experience is that the ecosystem is only pretty when you give apple a certain amount of money. It's why I love how android deals with photos and files- when you plug your phone into a laptop, everything just shows up in folders that you can read and write from, it's literally just copy and paste in either direction
Not at all. iMessage, airdrop, universal control, airplay, and more all still work without paying a penny per month. Ecosystem is still fantastic without iCloud
@@TailosiveTech I'm not discounting those advantages, I'm saying that as you add more apple devices, the ecosystem becomes exponentially better. So if you choose to buy only 1 or 2 apple devices, then you will only get a fraction of the ecosystem benefits and the remainder of your "outside" devices will be a hassle to work with ( you can't backup iPhone to NAS without macbook, you can't cast your phone screen to chromecast, you can't use NFC to send files, etc)
In this scenario you had the benefit of having an old iMac that you can use as a backup machine, but this solution wouldn't work for someone who only has an iPhone and no apple laptop (yes, you can backup to windows, but the experience is devastatingly painful, it makes you want to pull your hair out)
Tl:dr If you choose to stick with just an iPhone (Cuz you are poor or not a techy guy) then iCloud is the only option that isn't a major headache
Not really, it’s hard to detach from a part of the apple ecosystem, doesn’t mean it’s important to pay extra money.
For example, iPhone and Mac, can have airdrop, universal clipboard etc. without iCloud, however if you want, iCloud will help do more like syncing iMessage, pages, keynote documents etc.
Just the intro is GOLD.
Weird support couldn’t do it. I used to work for Apple - left this February. A senior advisor should go in there, refresh your storage. That should clear it up.
The best advice about tech & recession.I am an a 50 GB iCloud plan, and I think it will be enough, because I try to keep as local as possible. Seeing what you are doing about those many subscriptions, and I think it is really helpful to think about it. Thx!
Better, don't save pictures on iCloud. Only applications data. Take all pictures out of computer
I need iCloud…it saved me a few times already, not because I lost my phone but by breaking it beyond working.
Talk sense to this man please! Lol
This is why I never wanted to use iCloud photos. Because the downgrade process or downloading your photos/videos to move them elsewhere is complicated, and not to mention super slow with internet I have currently.
I use iCloud messages, and when my storage is getting full, I go find which conversations are taking the most space, go to it, get to the “all photos” section and delete those, so I can keep the messages. My storage was at around 3.2 GB, I deleted some stuff, waited a few days (needs to “upload” the new messages overnight), and now it’s 2.4, and could probably go lower. It’s been nice being able to search for an old message without worrying if it’s older than 30 days (the auto delete thing, which is easier but you lose messages and attachments)
My number one feature request for iOS is more options for auto deleting old messages. Like how there’s a separate option for the audio messages, make an option for photos/videos, and even better, those could be separated. And make more time in between 1 year and 30 days, choose an amount of months and maybe longer than a year for those who want it. But at least the “auto delete photos/videos older than 30 days” or whatever time frame would help so much
I use the photo steam so I can get photos that I take on my iPhone on my iPad, and it doesn’t take any iCloud storage. I don’t really need to access videos. I always think of the Apple keynotes where they showed how you take a picture with your iPhone, and using iCloud photos, it’ll show up right away on your iPad or something so you can put it in your document. But photo stream works basically the same way, although I don’t know how fast it is in comparison
Tip: Create a second photo library by holding the option key while open Photos App on a mac. Set under preferences NOT to sync to iCloud. Import your photos from iPhone. Quit and relaunch the Photos App while holding the option key. Choose the default library (that’s still sync with iCloud) Now you can delete photos from iCloud
Bonus Tip: when storing things locally use Time Machine for backups.
I'm using the lifetime plan from pCloud and I'm very happy with it. Couldn't recommend it enough.
Not a power user, but for backup and being able to access my files from anywhere and from any device, is more than ok.
Drew, be careful with your suggestion on deleting photos from apple photos after downloading it all in full resolution. If you delete a Photo on your icloud connected iphone apple photos app then it WILL delete on your fully downloaded Mac icloud apple photos library, if that one is also still connected to your icloud library!!! The only way you can get it to not delete, is you need to have icloud photos library switched off after you downloaded all your photos in full resolution on your mac. I hope that helps people. I have dealt with icloud photos library for a decade now and im on apple support phone hotline many times, because some things are just not working as intended. Thanks for the video though!
I’ve also heard of “Terabox” - 1,024GB cloud storage for free. I don’t know their compatibility or business model or what have you, but 1TB for free sounds cool.
They are indeed not trustable. When I initially read their privacy policy it seemed not trust worthy. They mentioned that the data will be stored in Hong Kong and they do have the right to your data + no mention of any encryption at all. I always stays away anything Chinese
Spot on bro. Same happened to me and I drew the same conclusion
the 1TB _Onedrive_ plan is the best bang for the buck but since Drew's not gonna pay for 1TB of cloud storage anymore then yeah... just for a reference
LOL Drew, when I started working at Apple the turning off iCloud Photo Library wording was confusing as heck for me as well.
It actually makes sense but the wording is still confusing. They need to have a diagram or example in there for people to understand how it works.
If you are looking for archive storage, then a 14TB USB drive costs something like $240. Obviously not practical for things you need to access regularly.
I'm good just using my laptops 8TB
and the thing brakes after 3 months, great idea.
@@TailosiveTech and when that fails….?
Or a spill anything like that. A fire in your home etc. gotta have multiple backups
I have a 2 bay NAS I use for that sort of photo backup - it's ideal and with the iOS app it automatically backs up the photos just like iCloud. I do still pay for 200GB iCloud though as I find the seamlessness of it good value, and I regularly go through my library and remove photos I don't "need".
This is something I’ve been trying to figure out how to do for myself. Do you have a brand you’d recommend?
@@michaelguastella He’s probably using a Synology 2 Bay NAS
Do you back up your NAS?
@@RodelCasio I don't. I've been considering trying back blaze but I can't justify the additional cost at this point, especially with the ongoing energy crisis!
Degoo also periodically give free storage to your account I have I think an extra 12 go that they’ve given me after using for a long time and they also say that if your account is inactive for 90 days I think it starts like an automatic account deletion or something like that
I went mad trying to remove my Google Photos and store them locally a few years ago. Managed to do it somehow. The experience was similar to Drew's.
You log-in into google, click takeout, they pack all your media into zip and you click download…
@@awdadwadwad1723 I'll refer to your comment if I ever have to do it again 👍
I've recently done a clean up on my Icloud drive and One drive as I had a mixture a stuff stored across both. One Drive (5gb free) is now only used for one thing, where as I pay for 200gb iCloud storage for the extra storage but for Family sharing, as I have 3 family member who aren't that tech savy to do regular back up and photo downloads. They don't take that many photos either. Currently only have about 50gb used across 5 iphones, 4 ipads and 1 ipod. But the family sharing it great for sharing calendars etc and I don't mind paying $4.50 AUD for it.
2:36 which means, roughly a $40,000 increase, yes you read that correctly, in yearly storage costs for Apple per gigabyte, meaning they only need to spend an extra $200k a year to upgrade the base plan to 10GB.
You don’t need to defend them on everything, Drew.
(Figures estimated using the cost Apple pays per EB to Google.)
So Apple should spend an extra $200K a year cause it'd be nice? It's like saying they should giveaway one thousand airpods a year
@@TailosiveTech its basically nothing
@@TailosiveTech YES.
By your logic they shouldn’t upgrade the base iPhone storage also, they should just keep it at 64GB forever because “why spend the extra money just because it’d be nice”.
More than 5GB storage isn’t a “nice to have”, it’s a necessity in 2022.
@@TailosiveTech
Yes. It’s a drop in the bucket for them….. actually maybe not. You have to take into account the lost revenue.
@@rbjk You clearly dont understand how companies work lol. Their one mission is to make money, and increasing the free iCloud storage will do the opposite of that. It costs apple money and people who have been on the fence will downgrade to the free tier. You are saying more than 5GB storage is a necessity in 2022? Well guess what, that means that Apple will earn even more money on iCloud subscriptions since it is a "necessity".
Your argument also fails since if apple is going to increase the base storage for iPhones it will definitely come with a price increase as well.
And this is why I built my own cloud
Yeah pretty much I’m also sick of the oversaturation of services, I just cancelled family Apple Music this month because a price increase in Mexico and I don’t use the music that much just with CarPlay so I moved to TH-cam music (which is kind of lame but gets the job done) as I already pay for TH-cam premium for cheap via vpn
Me here who doesn't even own Pixel 1 but still stores every photo and video free of cost in Google photos. The power of root in Android is awesome
Great video buddy
Stop being cheap!! No where is “safe”peace of mind is priceless
Ever since iCloud was born I’ve always had the free 5GB. I now have the 200GB option only cause I got Apple one and still to this day I’m only using 2.6GB that I’m sure I can get rid of anytime I want and won’t miss. I refuse to depend on the cloud for important things. I’d rather have an external drive and store everything there. External drives are so cheap these days every time I’m low on storage space I go to Costco and get a new larger option. Right now I have a 6TB external drive and still have 2TB of free space and I divided the drive in 2 partitions so the other 2TB are for Time Machine and the other 4 is what I use to store crap in. Don’t buy iCloud. It’s not worth the dependence
one thing that drives me crazy but lately these days, especially when you have a lot of devices. when you text you don't realize how many messages you send and receive everyday. I hate how on the Mac and Apple Watch you can't select multiple messages and delete them all at once on Iphone and Ipad you can but Apple Watch and Mac you can't which is very annoying and is very time consuming
Have a look on the iCloud online and clear out the bin. I’ve had that before on both iCloud and Google. That doesn’t show anywhere but that takes up iCloud space.
Still 5GB nowadays. I only used for data backup. No photos back up since I can load all back to the computers
Something I have noticed with iCloud photos is that it chooses by random photos that become corrupted and can’t be accessed. Usually they are the ones that have been edited on iPhoto or with adobe photoshop or other add-ons. I have called Apple and they can’t tell me why they are corrupted and it has been sent on to the higher up people and still for these photos the only thing that is left is the low-res preview when I pay Apple for the full res quality to be stored. So it’s just frustrating as a photographer, because I have lost some amazing shots that I faced and edited that now are destroyed by Apple’s servers.
oh my God I LOVE the intro 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, to keep my cloud storage low, i actually do have a NAS and a DAS. My NAS is a Synology and my DAS a DROBO 5D. Very happy with both! I also have a LaCie "6 Big." As for cloud storage, i have the €0,99 (same in $ so $0,99) for 50GB! It's more than enough for me. I always move my photo's and video's from my iPhone immediately to my Mac and to my backups so i mostly use my iCloud storage for temporary media use and i use it for documents like pages so that i can move those between my Mac Pro, iPhone and Macbook Air. It's so easy and it works. It's also a nice UI and simple to understand. Though, the calendar is a bit weirder to understand to be honest. But i need to watch someone on TH-cam that has some good knowledge about this. So when i find the time, i'm going to look this up. But for now, i am pretty happy.
How do you backup your Synology nas?
@@jackwong64 I have a 64TB LaCie 6Big and another 48TB DAS from Drobo.
Hi, do you ever worry about maintenance with your NAS and DAS? How do you keep up with them? Coz I’ve seen people going for cloud storage since they won’t have to worry about drives being broken
Apple one premier is actually 2 TB
I feel the same as you. It’s the principle of it. Fees will never end it seems. Just wish family would jump on board with this. Hard to add argue when it’s only $3 a month. Ugh. I guess 1st world problems.
I would question your presumption that if you store full size photos on Mac, they will not go away when deleted on iPhone. This is not how photos sync works. Photos did not disappear on mac most likely because there were still lots of to sync in a queue or something. I had full res photos stored on my Mac for a long time and it did delete them when I deleted them on iPhone. Good you did a library backup anyway.
Apple should should really improve the icloud.
They should have Manual deletion and Manual uploading options for icloud.
Boy I’m happy I got the 1TB iPhone 😅
Have you considered Backblaze? It’s cheap and unlimited
My iphone 4 has an outdated google photos app so it still backs up unlimited files, plus it still syncs with my icloud so pictures on my main iphone shows up in google photos for me
Drew is Gen Z. He’s using the finest Gen Z humor. 🥰
2:25 _"1 billion inactive Apple IDs"_
meanwhile my email client _deletes accounts that haven't been logged in for a year_
I’m convinced that your iCloud Drive issue is a bug. I have it too. I have maybe 1GB of files in iCloud Drive, but it says I have 16GB of files according to iCloud Drive. I hope it gets resolved.
Genuinely curious as to why you prefer cloud services over a NAS for long term bulk storage. If you’ve covered it in another vid, just point me in that direction.
The time stamp should be 0:28 for the Commentary
Edit: Yay! He fixed it!
You don’t look that randomly spooky intro😒
@@maxsantayana4345 I did watch the spooky intro. He likes to put chapters in his videos for those who don’t want to watch the intro skits and I just wanted it to be accurate. 🙂
I think the ghost files are actually file indexes and file databases, idk y apple doesn’t just delete them immediately
I use a couple T4 external hard drives. It’s a huge pain but it’s just a one time payment and it’s secure (not online).
I have the same issue with ghost/cached files on iCloud aswell! But instead with about 30GB of ghost files of iCloud photos which I deleted now they’re all stuck in cache/as ghost files and there’s no way to delete them hopefully as you said after 30 days they should be gone
I’m not rich by any means, but excessive budgeting drives me nuts and only makes me unhappy it’s not worth the couple dollars I’d save
I find the 50GB more than enough I’ve not even used a quarter of it and that my personal cap I’ve placed on it, if I go near 15GB it’s time to do some house keeping and for 79p per month it’s nothing so 50GB is a great deal
I suppose Apple will one day charge for all options including the 5GB perhaps up it to 20GB for 49p then year later price increases for all 20GB becomes 79p that it once used to be, this is how it used to be one time 5GB free 20GB 79p so I recon this is how Apple will get rid of the free 5GB option
I wonder if its stuff from Icloud drive in your recycling bin? that would be the only thing i could think of that might be residual data with icloud drive turned off on every device
All the trash is empty
@@TailosiveTech hope that 30 days works for you then :(
This video gave me anxiety for when I run out of my 2 TB…😭😭😭 I wish I could pay $5 for 100 Petabytes. I might not run out of storage then. So far I’ve not had warnings. 729.8 GBs used so far. I also don’t like talking to people, especially strangers. I’m an introvert.
dawg you haven’t even used 50% of your storage and you’re getting storage anxiety?(
@@papervws Yes, almost all of it is pictures and videos.
Have you checked for hidden files and folders stored in your iCloud Drive anything starting with a . Will not be shown unless you have show hidden folders turned on
Yes I’ve checked
Google does this so well with their takeout service.
I need to get rid of some of my things iCloud storage is just making me anxious making me feel like I need to have cloud storage
“Have you tried rebooting your modem and router?”😂😂😂
Did you also check “downloads” within iCloud Drive before switching it off? Because it also uploads everything you have downloaded to your iCloud?
Yes I made sure
My time is worth way much more for me than this few bucks a month to do such trickery like you did. :D And if I ever arrive at 2TB (which I don’t think I will, since I don’t do any videos and my iMessage auto deletes after 1 year) I just will offload the oldest stuff to NAS.
While I do agree that it’s annoying that there are so many subscription services now, can you really blame apple for the iCloud fee? I mean, it’s a much older subscription service than any of the other popular ones, really.
But Drew did you try deleting them?
Drew you should really look into getting a Synology NAS specially for Synology Photos. This method makes sure you keep all your data. It is a little investment at first but is really worth it. My wife had 4 TB of family photos (photos and videos of her as a baby until now as an adult) and is definitely worth it. Another pro is that the data stays your data, these free cloud providers give you more storage but not because they’re nice, remember they’re like google so they sell your data
More power, more space, more money. No thank you
We all appreciated the meme I guess.
Wait a minute here. Just wait a darn minute. How much money did you say that I have to pay for unlimited face unlock. you’re killing me
I’m now downgrading my iCloud from 200GB to 5GB because with my Verizon cellular plan, I get 600 GB of Verizon cloud storage!
3:27
Note that down, note that down
Great idea 💡
Sign out all account, then sign in back
Personally I don't understand your reasoning... after 30 years in IT, 40 using computers the idea of accessible storage from anywhere and any device has always been a dream. It's actually one of the reasons I moved into the Apple ecosystem. Many companies are moving any application that can be cloud based off local storage, this is slowly moving to consumers as well yet you did the opposite for $10 a month? I think the iCloud data is pretty cheap, I could easily do without one of my streaming services for the convenience alone.
well businesses do have some more affordable plans for multi-TB cloud storage options, plus what profit they can generate/costs they can save from such "convenience and reliability" might make these plans feel worthy...
iCloud data is probably one of the worst deals out there tbh. I’m not against the idea of cloud storage I’m just in favor of not paying for what I don’t need
@@TailosiveTech Understand, part of the extra cost for me vs Google or others is simply the convince. There are hassles as well since I can't really use it easily with my gaming PCs. Thank you for clarifying, if it's more of just the extra cost of iCloud over the others that makes more sense!
This has been bugging me for a year. Control of my data and paying year after year
You can still be mobile with a NAS; access it from anywhere in the world..
Moved all to my Synology NAS... And never look back...it even sync all my photos via internet to my NAS.... And access my file via internet as well...via Synology drive...it work like icloud drive
Do you back up your NAS just in case?
I moved all my photos from Google to Amazon Prime. Unlimited photos. They only limit your video storage.
So you pay 3$ less per month but pay 2000$ more to get extra storage on your Mac that wouldn’t be necessary with iCloud…
I was getting the extra storage on my MBP regardless for work. I’ll fill it eventually
I want to downgrade my iCloud+ to free version but I simplay can't. Before, I used around 15 GB of storage on my iCloud. After deleting around 14,8 GB worth of backup, I still can't downgrade my iCloud because it still says that I used 14,9 GB of storage, as if the backup is not deleted but rather hidden somewhere. Can anyone help me?
It's also infuriating that the Photos app on the Mac doesn't let you keep photos just locally if you have iCloud photos turned on. I prefer to use iCloud Photos so I don't lose my photos in case my phone gets broken or lost/stolen, so it would be nice if I could have the experience of using the Photos app to view and browse my photos without having to sync it to iCloud. I end up having no way to conveniently browse my DSLR camera photos other than just looking at it using Finder. The iPhoto days were surely better than this in regards to offline photo browsing 🙄. Yes, I know that third party apps/software exists, but Apple practically only letting us use iCloud photos for the Photos app is so unfair for the customers.
My pictures and video’s where everywhere and nowhere on multiple Apple products, I tried to fix it, but it would took soo many hours to fix it. At that point I had 50GB to save my stuff. Than I went to 200GB and I could also back my pictures and video’s up. But it’s already on 187GB with 12K+ pictures and video’s. I want to upgrade to 2TB, because that’s €9,99 instead €2,99 :(. So maybe going to store pictures and video’s from 2019 and 2020 to my portable SSD, but than I can’t see the location where I made it. Soo I don’t know what I should do yet.
Eh icloud is kind of useless anyway as a main backup. I do manual full backups on iTunes and it's flawless no matter than the non ios users say.
I have zero pictures or emails saved in my icloud but i do allow my calendar, notes, and contacts to always be backed up since those are too important which take up like no space since the space hogging is from photos and pictures, messages, and emails to some extent.
And i actually use iCloud drive as like my flashdrive. 5gb is fine for the normal person as long as they do manual backups on a mac or pc at least monthly which doesn't take long. The first initial backup file will take as much as few hours if it's massive but after that it's pretty quick.
Mines always 50GB for a $1 a month
Remember if it's free you are the product. I'd encrypt my backups on any free services hell even paid services you never know what they are doing your files. Remember the cloud is just another person's computer.
Yeah I don’t care. They can look if they want
It would be awesome if you can go back to iPhone 6.
I remove my videos from iCloud photos before I was using 100Gb
Now Im just using 30gb
I downgrade from 200gb to 50gb.
It's not much but it's a lot in the long run
I make use of the icloud link as it can download as folder.
I can then arrange it by date or by event easily.
Does it keep a hidden index file? or stray junk from mem leaks
They should make the free version 64 or 128. I don’t even use iCloud for anything but contacts cause it’s worthless.
I have amazon prime and they have free cloud storage, shutterfly, photos, mac back up, and a usb for all my stuff. So I am not too concerned but the cloud stuff is always just a mess so you cannot leave. Even giving Apple $0.99 for storage for 1 million users is almost an extra million dollars in revenue a year. So it adds up.
Almost a million?That’s almost 12 million
My solution is to get a NAS, most media files don’t need to be stored on fast SSD’s.
But then you need to think about backing up your NAS in case of a house fire or other natural disasters💁🏽♂️
Strange, the Pixel advantage is locked into the account, so I can upload pictures in original quality still after selling my old Pixel 1
The way apple integrates iCloud into everything is a mess. Thankfully I've never used it. I store my photos in Google photos and files in Drive.
And will migrate to a NAS once it become too much.
My philosophy of using Apple products but not their services is the way to go
same here
A mess? Where did you get that idea?
This guy is really so funny
Hard restoring every single of your Apple Devices will fix it.