Global Cycling Network I think he would still be a great talent overall. Nevertheless I feel Merckx was so ahead of his own generation when it came to training methods that it made him even better than he already was, some of his main competitors came out of the winter 5 or 6 kilos heavier than they should be while this was never the case with him so this also gave him a big advantage. On top of this I think he’d still win time trials and classics as he was a very strong rider ( I do believe his strength is something out of this world and the reason why he was that good) but I wouldn’t see him winning that many grand tours. Even throughout his career he has shown weaknesses when it came to mountain stages ( Ocaña put 8 minutes into Merckx in 1971 tour for example) . So in general I think he would still be the best rider of this generation but his dominance wouldn’t be as big as it was before
you guys forgot about the Badger. He won multiple GTs, stage races, classics monuments, and won the only edition of Paris-Roubaix that he took part in. He could climb, sprint, and was a decent TT-ist. Not as good as the cannibal as far as his palmares goes (who is?) but he comes close in terms of being a complete cyclist.
As great as those other riders were...they were probably all gunning for Merckx! He was the man to beat in every race he entered...and still won most of them!
If you look at Eddy climbing in some of the mountain stages, in the gears they had at back then, you can't doubt the fact that he had tremendous power.
Eddy Merckx le roi des rois Et éternelement le plus grand coureur cycliste de tout les temps sans égale. Eddy Merckx en voulait il avait pas peur de ce faire mal .
I just read Chris Froome's book this week, and was shocked to read that Daniel Loyd once passed Froome during a race in a break. That was not a name I expected to be featured in the book!
Merckx, The greatest athlete in sport not just cycling, had genetic gift, dedication with his time spent training, gave great technical attention to ergonomics, was very determined to overcome the pain and discomfort endured in order to win , that early in his teens had the good fortune to naturally gravitate to a sport he could excel in, who had early parental support and coaching, that paid a lot of attention to pre-race stratigizing each course and field of competitors, and who maximized whatever else you can think of that he possibly could, was like The Beatles, in that all the variables came together maximized in one spot. But definitely none of it would have happened without his superior genetic gifts being so well suited to the task. Lung capacity, resting heart rate, rate of blood O2 recovery and elimination of the build up of lactic acid after a sprint etc. were all superlative. It was a positive feedback loop and synergy of all the factors, each one improving the other, with his determination to win forcing his body to utilize it's full and great potential...I mean he could have been a baker...meaning it's possible 'the next Eddy Merckx' may have not or never will discover bicycle racing.
From the comfort of my armchair... I'd like to see Ollie have _another_ crack at the hour record, but this time using equipment as close to that which Eddy Merckx used for his hour record. SufferFest indeed :-)
No one will beat the greatest Eddy Merckx ever. He is and will be the greatest ever. Hi's nickname, the canniibal. He loved his sport. Most respectfull sportman ever!!!❤❤❤
The bit about Merckx’s estimated power during the hour record basically answers the question. We’re really only left with other factors like modern training and pacing tools, and nutrition, that would have made him a little better than that today. He obviously had all the other intangibles of a champion.
One amazing achievement of Eddy Merckx is the bikes he built were amazing. Probably it wasn't actually him building the bikes, but many years ago I bought a second hand Eddy Merckx bike and it handled absolutely perfectly, it was a really fantastic bike. Whatever he was like riding a bike he most definitely built amazing bikes.
Eddy learned how to build a bike in Italy! Draw your conclusions… did you think his factory would produce this kind of quality bicycles without that? It’s like being goat in cycling: you need the complete package. BTW, climbing mountains: check Eddy downhill, hard to keep up going uphill, impossible to match downhill……
I think Eddy Merckx, if he were a pro rider today, would still eat everyone alive. He won everything you can win and excelled in every way and I think that there isn't any rider today that could seriously rival him, especially if he were using modern equipment and had access to all the advancements made in sport science since his glory days.
@@chinboy66 Nothing he did was any worse than what's been done for decades. In fact, if you want to bring in that topic, he'd still dominate because he'd have access to the same PEDs as any other star.
Ollie Merckx gave his all and was obviously moved by the experience. Good on him. Feel free to keep telling us what it was like to push yourself to ridiculous levels. Thanks for living the Dream, Ollie. Keep up the good work.
Merckx was also obsessed with biomechanics before it was a thing. We have bike positioning nowadays and tools to find the right fit and posture, but back then he was already doing it with instinct and trial and error. He was ahead of the curve!
The forgotten reason for Eddy's constant position manipulation was the terrible back injury he suffered during a derny event on the track when Ferdinand Wambst his pacer was killed. From then on, fairly early in his career Eddy was in constant pain from his back, which affected his legs as well. He used to stop during races to adjust his seat height to relieve his pain.
I wonder if Ollie did 6 months of intense training and optimization if the Merckx hour would be in his grasp. Significant gains in just 3 months, just imagine.
Aujourd'hui ya des gars qu' ont 35 victoires et sur 10 ans de courses et il les mettent au pinacles dla rigolades. Eddy Merckx était un passionné depuis son enfance et son métier il la fait avec envie et passion. Eddy Merckx le roi des rois pour l éternité.
Can we please not forget that Merckx was caught doping three times, for riders in other era's this is always mentioned while with Merckx this is kept silent!
absolutely. Lance was the best TDF rider of all time. Merckx was just as much a doper and introduced LA to Dr Ferrarri. Selective admiration of convenience
@@Herikeeeee I don't think it should be legal, but i do think it is pointless to quote numbers like an FTP of 450 knowing full well it wasn't natural and comparing with current riders (who we assume to be clean).
Merckx is a legend, no doubt, but I do not understand why his doping incidents are hardly ever discussed in the cycling community, while other riders accused of doping are outcasts nowadays.
oxymoron armstrong got rich from his lies and doping and it affected a lot of people outside of cycling. Armstrong basically just acted like an asshole even after he got caught and threw people under the bus. No other doper in any other sport you could say brought so much attention to what he did. Even people I knew who didn’t know the first thing about cycling were all saying his book was the best they ever read and that he was a major inspiration to them. Needless to say that all changed 😂
Doping wasn’t nearly as effective in the 70s. There was no EPO, no HGH. Most of the doping in those days was pretty ineffective by modern standards, or even standards of the 90s.
Doping of a kind-amphetamines-was common in that era. There were two cases where Merckx was popped for Stimul, a weak but banned stimulant. That cannot be denied. It is also true that the physician assigned to, for example, the TDF-who had no interest in spinning the matter-stated that he believed that of all the contenders/stars of that era, Merckx was far and away the cleanest. Coppi and Anquetil were well-known to have ingested amphetamines in quantities never suggested to be consumed by Merckx. In a then quite dirty sport, Merckx was, relatively speaking, the cleanest winner. So the failure to mention doping when measuring his achievements is drastically different from, say, the beatification of the rapist Kobi Bryant.
My grandfather was the soinieur of Roger Swerts and for merckx for a while. He always said that a champion in a previous time, will still be champ now.
Something to think about, despite winning an unbelievable amount races. In 1969 he sustained a very serious injury to his back on the track and often stated that he "was never the same again". Despite being in pain he continued to win hundreds of races for the next 5 years. The guy was a freak and no one will ever come close to his record.
The things that makes riders better now, Eddy would have embraced. He was that kind of cyclist, as well as having enormous natural talent he went above and beyond to be as good as he could to better himself.
I think Eddy Merckx has been waiting decades for the next Eddy Merckx because he loves and appreciates great athleticism. He would be truly happy to see someone come along better than himself. I don't think he has a delicate protective ego at all. Upon retirement from the sport he even dedicated himself to the engineering and production of great racing bicycles instead of cashing in on celebrity. Mucho respect for Eddy Merckx the man and his dedication to the advancement of the sport. ps I still have my Falcon Eddy Merckx Super Competition 102 that I raced on back in the 70's. LOL
"If you don't know what Dan is talking about" said Ollie just after I was wondering what in the world was the last expression Dan said 😅 chapped to bits??
Then and now pro cycling are worlds apart. Everything today is measured, no junk miles, nutrition is better, one of the reasons he joined an Italian team is they were way ahead in this respect. How would he do today, pretty well imo. Which leaves the question how would today’s pros perform back then, that’s even harder to answer.
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Better speculation might be how would today's cyclists have done in Merckx's era riding steel frames with friction shifting Super Record, silk bar tape and toe clips?
do those little changes actually make someone faster, I raced with those things. The super record shifted very fast with no click cable tension hurdle to surmount with index shifting. Toe clips also have cleats which are positioned just right.
How would modern riders get on WITHOUT team radio ? These days the riders know when each rider farts and takes instructions from the team manager. Before team radio the riders had to know the character of their rivals and work out tactics from experience, in other words they had to think for themselves because information of what was happening up the road took a long time to get through the bunch.
@@NowPleaseReadThis A top road bike in the Merckx era weighed about 22 lbs , a modern carbon fibre bike is about 15lbs - 16lbs ....add that weight saving to the faster gear shifting where both hands can also be kept on the handlebars and there is a difference. There was no way a gear change could be made on very steep gradients with one hand off the bars, those little increments do make a difference....if they didn't make a difference they would not have been developed. I also raced with friction gear levers on the down tube and with toe clips and straps and I remember how painful those toe straps were on the foot in longer races , the pressure point on the outer edge of the foot got very painful sometimes ( I had an almost permanent sore spot where the strap touched the shoe throughout the racing season) .......that discomfort has been eliminated with modern pedals. Velcro and other shoe fastenings have also helped massively .......remember how shoe laces used to stretch and slacken off in the rain and you either had to stop to Io tighten them up or pull the toeclip strap tighter . At the time Merckx asked Campagnolo to make a chainset so a smaller inner ring could be fitted but they refused, added to that, the Campagnolo rear mech could only comfortably handle a 25t rear sprocket . I think Campagnolo were more interested in the aesthetics of their beautiful designs that practical considerations. That was the era when Campagnolo equipment was used almost exclusively by every pro team except the French teams which used the French Stronglight equipment, which could go down to 36t chainrings.
New nickname for Ollie - Ollie Herckx (as in Hurts) or just Herckx. On to my post - A few details not mentioned about EM and his hour record are that the Mexico City air would’ve been much thinner and therefore less drag - if he acclimated to the altitude this would be a huge benefit. It would be very interesting to determine the actual added drag reduction and convert that to estimated added wattage output.
Morri Mohr sea level air is 1.2kg/m3. Density appears to vary with pressure, and looking at a few calculators the air density at 2250 elevation is approx 0.9kg/m3. Force is proportional to density, so the drag force at that altitude is only 75% of that at sea level. What that equates to in watt savings I don’t know, but it must be significant
David Marshall - that’s good info - and keep in mind the drag reduction would an exponential energy saving because we (cyclist) know that to increase your pace from (US so using mph not kph) 25mph to 30mph you nearly double your effort. So the impact would be very significant.
@@LuvToRide I found this calculator. www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html Using the default values, it estimates you need 595w to ride at 50kph. Reducing air density from 1.2 to 0.9, that power requirement drops to 450w. So it appears that power requirements drop linearly with air density (keeping velocity constant). Conversely, holding power constant at 450w and going back to sea level, you'd be going at 45.6kph.
When Boardman broke the "athletes hour record" he was wearing a more aero kit and only beat Merckx by 10 meters. Boardman of course went nearly 2km further in an hour than Wiggins in what is now known as the ultimate hour record (on his aero setup). Considering the banned position Boardman was using has been shown to not actually be more aero than current setups I think it's safe to say that Merckx was the fastest of all time.
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I read in a baseball book of the all-time greatest batters how difficult it is to directly compare athletes across eras, with the equipment changes, nutrition and training advances, rule changes, and technology. So, they compared each hitter with the other hitters of the same era and posed the question: how much better were they than their peers? I think that's a valid comparison. In that case, an Eddy Merckx of today would still blow everyone out of the water.
If Eddy Merx was on a level playing field with modern riders, where there was absolutely no doping, Eddy Merx would smoke all of the modern day riders and they would eat his dust in all the different races. Then they would have to feed him after every race which would cost a lot of money !!! :) Hands down, Eddy Merx is the best all around Cycle Racer that has ever existed.
I can now and have always been able to eat more spaghetti than Merckx. In fact I here now do publicly challenge Eddy Merckx to a spaghetti eating contest.
I'm totally convinced, that he would still be outstanding. He would probably not win quite as many races, because I think the elite was more narrow back then. But he would still be a dominant rider.
Is there a way of finding out what distance Merckx could have done on the hour record with his peak FTP with today's aerodynamic technology and see what he could have done in the modern day??? Would love to know. He is the Arton Senna of the cycling world, absolute legend. Hopefully no one will better his sporting achievements.
They just had a golf tournament in Mexico City, claiming that the ball carried 15% farther. While Ollie still has his fitness, send him to Mexico City and some warm weather. Maybe all he needs is thin air.
Keep in mind that if Merckx rode in 2020 he would also have better nutrition and training principles to work with. Anything he did when he actually rode would likely only have been enhanced with today's principles (and that's not considering better tech).
He had to be good to constantly beat guys like De Vlamenick . Maertens , etc .. The Winter training him and his team engaged in was not for the feint of heart.. Would still be wrecking ball through today's peloton with all the new tech on board..
The rear mech alternative routing was originally published by Shimano for the original Dura-Ace and later recommended by Sheldon Brown on his website for other RDs. So it’s a hack but it’s also a published 20+ year old one
It's easy to say Eddy couldn't do it in the age of specialization but nobody did it prior to Eddy either. He also had to contend with the second best classics rider of all time, Roger DeVlaeminck, and the third winningest rider, Freddy Maertens, plus the other greats mentioned in the video, so it was never easy. To me his most impressive stat is the seven Milan-San Remo wins. Today it's said, by many racers, to be the most difficult monument to win and something of a lottery but he managed seven wins in all manor of ways, from bunch sprint to solo.
He tested positive at least FOUR times... He got kicked out of a Giro d'Italia (whilst leading for 16 stages in '69), after winning Lombardia in '73, at Fleche Wallone in '75, then in '77 for amphetamines... not at a specific race to my knowledge. So four positives tests over 8 years, in a time when testing was in its infancy. He had excuses, reasons, stories, etc like every other cyclist
@@glennoc8585 Amphetamines have been around for a very long time. They were issued to the German soldiers in WWII, and Hitler was addicted to them (that rage in those crazy rants was not just bad temperament it turns out). There is an interesting 13 part series about it on the History channel from research that has just been published from Hitler's physician's journals
Yes Eddy like many greats would be the main contender today. Greats are always Great and will always stay Great until age takes its toll at some stage. Now the prize seems to be make as much money as you can then say Bye Bye!
Well he probably wouldn't be aloud to race that much since he was caught using drugs in 69, 73 and in 77. In my opinion we shouldn't celebrate him as such a good rider. Cause who knows how many times he didn't get caught. But a nice video anyway. Keep up the nice work.
@@megaspongebob6 not game changing. But defenitly performance enhancing. And he got caught 3 times. So in my opinion he was just another cheater and he might be one of the reasons why cycling has such a bad reputation when ut comes to drugs.
@@denisspratt926 The whole history of the sport is null and void then,since its conception in 1890's.The drugs used in the Merckx era would have been cortisone to ease muscle pain and amphetamines for a perceived psychological boost.Im not condoning drug use,just looking at the evolving history of the sport.Every great rider until very modern times(we hope!)took something to get them through the then much longer,tougher races....its easy to sit at home in 2020 casting judgement about events 50 years ago.It all really changed in the 90's with EPO,its like comparing aspirin with a rocket booster up your arse!!.Lets hope the modern era is finally truly drug free,but dont diss the legends of a bygone age
How good would Merckx be against 2020's pros? Let us know what you think 👇
Global Cycling Network I think he would still be a great talent overall. Nevertheless I feel Merckx was so ahead of his own generation when it came to training methods that it made him even better than he already was, some of his main competitors came out of the winter 5 or 6 kilos heavier than they should be while this was never the case with him so this also gave him a big advantage. On top of this I think he’d still win time trials and classics as he was a very strong rider ( I do believe his strength is something out of this world and the reason why he was that good) but I wouldn’t see him winning that many grand tours. Even throughout his career he has shown weaknesses when it came to mountain stages ( Ocaña put 8 minutes into Merckx in 1971 tour for example) . So in general I think he would still be the best rider of this generation but his dominance wouldn’t be as big as it was before
you guys forgot about the Badger. He won multiple GTs, stage races, classics monuments, and won the only edition of Paris-Roubaix that he took part in. He could climb, sprint, and was a decent TT-ist. Not as good as the cannibal as far as his palmares goes (who is?) but he comes close in terms of being a complete cyclist.
Against “other top athletes”? I don’t know, but he would still be able to beat Dr Bridgewood😂
Merckx wouldnt be as good nowadays, getting popped three times for doping would deduct at least 6 years of his career
As great as those other riders were...they were probably all gunning for Merckx! He was the man to beat in every race he entered...and still won most of them!
If you look at Eddy climbing in some of the mountain stages, in the gears they had at back then, you can't doubt the fact that he had tremendous power.
Merckx"s hour record was done in the middle of a FULL road season .....he didn't save himself for the one event.
Eddy Merckx le roi des rois
Et éternelement le plus grand coureur cycliste de tout les temps sans égale.
Eddy Merckx en voulait il avait pas peur de ce faire mal .
I just read Chris Froome's book this week, and was shocked to read that Daniel Loyd once passed Froome during a race in a break. That was not a name I expected to be featured in the book!
Do you mean whilst Froome had a break?
@@gcn lol!!!
Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@gcn Well, someone was taking the piss.
was it the queue for the bar ?
Merckx, The greatest athlete in sport not just cycling, had genetic gift, dedication with his time spent training, gave great technical attention to ergonomics, was very determined to overcome the pain and discomfort endured in order to win , that early in his teens had the good fortune to naturally gravitate to a sport he could excel in, who had early parental support and coaching, that paid a lot of attention to pre-race stratigizing each course and field of competitors, and who maximized whatever else you can think of that he possibly could, was like The Beatles, in that all the variables came together maximized in one spot. But definitely none of it would have happened without his superior genetic gifts being so well suited to the task. Lung capacity, resting heart rate, rate of blood O2 recovery and elimination of the build up of lactic acid after a sprint etc. were all superlative. It was a positive feedback loop and synergy of all the factors, each one improving the other, with his determination to win forcing his body to utilize it's full and great potential...I mean he could have been a baker...meaning it's possible 'the next Eddy Merckx' may have not or never will discover bicycle racing.
Ollie's expressions following Dan's caption competition attempt @23:40 - 23:48 are priceless! Perfect visual commentary.
From the comfort of my armchair... I'd like to see Ollie have _another_ crack at the hour record, but this time using equipment as close to that which Eddy Merckx used for his hour record. SufferFest indeed :-)
I'd watch that in a heartbeat.
But what does Ollie think? I reckon he'd prefer to go after his old TT PBs, armed with his new fitness and knowledge.
Totes McGoats I'd watch that.
No one will beat the greatest Eddy Merckx ever. He is and will be the greatest ever. Hi's nickname, the canniibal. He loved his sport. Most respectfull sportman ever!!!❤❤❤
It’s also possible that if he raced today his entire career would be spent dragging Team INEOS leaders to the finish line lol
Yeah, but he'd probably still be first across the line.
Richard Harris I’m saying they might just pay him to be a domestique, in which case a teammate of his would cross the finish line first.
@@pinarellosq2868 Merx did that by himself.
No because he wanted to win all the races and never imagine to be running for someone else...
More like he would be stripped of all his titles for doping.
The bit about Merckx’s estimated power during the hour record basically answers the question. We’re really only left with other factors like modern training and pacing tools, and nutrition, that would have made him a little better than that today. He obviously had all the other intangibles of a champion.
One amazing achievement of Eddy Merckx is the bikes he built were amazing. Probably it wasn't actually him building the bikes, but many years ago I bought a second hand Eddy Merckx bike and it handled absolutely perfectly, it was a really fantastic bike. Whatever he was like riding a bike he most definitely built amazing bikes.
Eddy learned how to build a bike in Italy! Draw your conclusions… did you think his factory would produce this kind of quality bicycles without that? It’s like being goat in cycling: you need the complete package. BTW, climbing mountains: check Eddy downhill, hard to keep up going uphill, impossible to match downhill……
Given the high turnover of presenters recently I'd like to make a call for you guys to hang on to Ollie whatever the cost. He's great.
Gcn is a stepping stone naturally presenters move.
Caption: Remco: 'Bitter?'. Miguel: 'No, but I will have a little whine.'
I wish Ollie would present the GCN show more often, he was on fire today
I think Eddy Merckx, if he were a pro rider today, would still eat everyone alive. He won everything you can win and excelled in every way and I think that there isn't any rider today that could seriously rival him, especially if he were using modern equipment and had access to all the advancements made in sport science since his glory days.
This is the correct answer. If you could teleport him in his prime and put him on today's equipment, he'd dominate.
Em_525 Merckx but the real question remains, would he dominate for the right reasons because we know he’s going to cheat
@@chinboy66 Nothing he did was any worse than what's been done for decades. In fact, if you want to bring in that topic, he'd still dominate because he'd have access to the same PEDs as any other star.
Ollie Merckx gave his all and was obviously moved by the experience. Good on him. Feel free to keep telling us what it was like to push yourself to ridiculous levels. Thanks for living the Dream, Ollie. Keep up the good work.
Rich Peraud thanks man 👍🏼
Calvin is a beast mechanic. That's really cool you got him to come to the event.
Eric Prosch-Jensen He also has the best sense of humor ever!
Get Calvin on the Tech channel along with the bloke that offered to buy everyone a pint, plus Ollie for the accents. Top shelf.
Merckx was also obsessed with biomechanics before it was a thing. We have bike positioning nowadays and tools to find the right fit and posture, but back then he was already doing it with instinct and trial and error. He was ahead of the curve!
The forgotten reason for Eddy's constant position manipulation was the terrible back injury he suffered during a derny event on the track when Ferdinand Wambst his pacer was killed. From then on, fairly early in his career Eddy was in constant pain from his back, which affected his legs as well. He used to stop during races to adjust his seat height to relieve his pain.
I wonder if Ollie did 6 months of intense training and optimization if the Merckx hour would be in his grasp. Significant gains in just 3 months, just imagine.
Tom Field Ollie mentioned he went an extra 27m or so just because he wasnt holding the black line That could improve with another 3 months
He should also dose on amphetamines like Eddie did.
Aujourd'hui ya des gars qu' ont 35 victoires et sur 10 ans de courses et il les mettent au pinacles dla rigolades. Eddy Merckx était un passionné depuis son enfance et son métier il la fait avec envie et passion. Eddy Merckx le roi des rois pour l éternité.
Can we please not forget that Merckx was caught doping three times, for riders in other era's this is always mentioned while with Merckx this is kept silent!
4 times
@@kwacker45 4,000 times
absolutely. Lance was the best TDF rider of all time. Merckx was just as much a doper and introduced LA to Dr Ferrarri. Selective admiration of convenience
Doping should be legal. Just so we could see how far these top atheltes could push their limits. Of course, there should be leagues of "clean" people.
@@Herikeeeee I don't think it should be legal, but i do think it is pointless to quote numbers like an FTP of 450 knowing full well it wasn't natural and comparing with current riders (who we assume to be clean).
Question for Ollie: What was the final result on your weight during the hour-record training? What was it when you started...and finished? Thanks
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Caption: "Miguel, this is a good vintage. Ah 2011, I remember it well; I graduated primary school that year."
Merckx is a legend, no doubt, but I do not understand why his doping incidents are hardly ever discussed in the cycling community, while other riders accused of doping are outcasts nowadays.
oxymoron armstrong got rich from his lies and doping and it affected a lot of people outside of cycling. Armstrong basically just acted like an asshole even after he got caught and threw people under the bus. No other doper in any other sport you could say brought so much attention to what he did. Even people I knew who didn’t know the first thing about cycling were all saying his book was the best they ever read and that he was a major inspiration to them. Needless to say that all changed 😂
...it was the seventies, even my grannie was on dope
Doping wasn’t nearly as effective in the 70s. There was no EPO, no HGH. Most of the doping in those days was pretty ineffective by modern standards, or even standards of the 90s.
Doping of a kind-amphetamines-was common in that era. There were two cases where Merckx was popped for Stimul, a weak but banned stimulant.
That cannot be denied. It is also true that the physician assigned to, for example, the TDF-who had no interest in spinning the matter-stated that he believed that of all the contenders/stars of that era, Merckx was far and away the cleanest. Coppi and Anquetil were well-known to have ingested amphetamines in quantities never suggested to be consumed by Merckx. In a then quite dirty sport, Merckx was, relatively speaking, the cleanest winner.
So the failure to mention doping when measuring his achievements is drastically different from, say, the beatification of the rapist Kobi Bryant.
@@mikefinlayson9907 I agree 100%.
DJ Yoda? Fn awesome. The best without peer.
No one can match Merck...he is a legend and he is more powerful than any riders today...old generation people are so strong ..
Alan Hansen: You can’t win anything with kids.
Dan Lloyd: Matthieu Van Der Poel will never win a grand tour.
Caption: Now that's the kind of 12% i like
Caption: "It's older than me!"
Shouldn't it be: "Look. It's old than I" ? ;-)
My grandfather was the soinieur of Roger Swerts and for merckx for a while. He always said that a champion in a previous time, will still be champ now.
He's probably spot on! Merckx is a champion
Something to think about, despite winning an unbelievable amount races. In 1969 he sustained a very serious injury to his back on the track and often stated that he "was never the same again". Despite being in pain he continued to win hundreds of races for the next 5 years. The guy was a freak and no one will ever come close to his record.
450 w FTP. And I was super happy with my 246 w on a Sufferfest 4DP this morning :)
The things that makes riders better now, Eddy would have embraced. He was that kind of cyclist, as well as having enormous natural talent he went above and beyond to be as good as he could to better himself.
I was about to order somme Mavic wheels , now i'm weirdly pround and excited in a way
His will to win would put Merckx on Top. He would figure it out. The advantage of equipment and food would make him even more dangerous.
John Paton food and equipment? Hahahahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
I think Eddy Merckx has been waiting decades for the next Eddy Merckx because he loves and appreciates great athleticism. He would be truly happy to see someone come along better than himself. I don't think he has a delicate protective ego at all. Upon retirement from the sport he even dedicated himself to the engineering and production of great racing bicycles instead of cashing in on celebrity. Mucho respect for Eddy Merckx the man and his dedication to the advancement of the sport.
ps I still have my Falcon Eddy Merckx Super Competition 102 that I raced on back in the 70's. LOL
Caption: They finally gave me a bottle that’s older than my professional racing career!
Never mind the cycling achievements... if I could just go into a pub and chat like you guys I’d be happy. Great stuff.
Haha Ollie 12:58 “sure you are” so smug hahah
Caption competition - Lopez: “Hey Remco, apparently the big bottles can fill anything, Evenepoel!”
Oh, did Ollie attempt the hour record? I had no idea- he should mention it occasionally.
There were like 4 of 5 videos about it on the last 2 months ._.
David Moreno it’s called a *joke*
I’m also interested in hearing about any pro cycling teams that Dan might have been involved with.
Even though Ollie used and E-bike, he still did ok.
I see GCN Show i drop everything and click
At work now... pretending to work...
Oh Ollie... Your are the best 😂 such a perfectly timed good story bro
Not one mention of Merckx's Travoltaesque Saturday Night Fever hairstyle @4:28!
Didn't you know that gave Merckx a hairodynamic advantage!
Caption: “Mum and Dad never let me drink at home, this is great!”
"If you don't know what Dan is talking about" said Ollie just after I was wondering what in the world was the last expression Dan said 😅 chapped to bits??
Mavic AND Pirelli ?? This is awesome !
Some rock-solid puns there at the end Dan! 👍
Then and now pro cycling are worlds apart. Everything today is measured, no junk miles, nutrition is better, one of the reasons he joined an Italian team is they were way ahead in this respect. How would he do today, pretty well imo. Which leaves the question how would today’s pros perform back then, that’s even harder to answer.
We love the Tuesday night GCN show. After swimming we have a round of cheese on toast and watch all things cycling, the show is brilliant especially the way you lot get on and yes we do the cycling without socks thing sometimes.
Better speculation might be how would today's cyclists have done in Merckx's era riding steel frames with friction shifting Super Record, silk bar tape and toe clips?
do those little changes actually make someone faster, I raced with those things. The super record shifted very fast with no click cable tension hurdle to surmount with index shifting. Toe clips also have cleats which are positioned just right.
@@NowPleaseReadThis not really but the aerodynamic benefits of today’s tech are pretty significant.
How would modern riders get on WITHOUT team radio ? These days the riders know when each rider farts and takes instructions from the team manager. Before team radio the riders had to know the character of their rivals and work out tactics from experience, in other words they had to think for themselves because information of what was happening up the road took a long time to get through the bunch.
Today's cycle pros would go back home to mom. Merckx would kill them during training.
@@NowPleaseReadThis A top road bike in the Merckx era weighed about 22 lbs , a modern carbon fibre bike is about 15lbs - 16lbs ....add that weight saving to the faster gear shifting where both hands can also be kept on the handlebars and there is a difference. There was no way a gear change could be made on very steep gradients with one hand off the bars, those little increments do make a difference....if they didn't make a difference they would not have been developed.
I also raced with friction gear levers on the down tube and with toe clips and straps and I remember how painful those toe straps were on the foot in longer races , the pressure point on the outer edge of the foot got very painful sometimes ( I had an almost permanent sore spot where the strap touched the shoe throughout the racing season) .......that discomfort has been eliminated with modern pedals.
Velcro and other shoe fastenings have also helped massively .......remember how shoe laces used to stretch and slacken off in the rain and you either had to stop to Io tighten them up or pull the toeclip strap tighter .
At the time Merckx asked Campagnolo to make a chainset so a smaller inner ring could be fitted but they refused, added to that, the Campagnolo rear mech could only comfortably handle a 25t rear sprocket . I think Campagnolo were more interested in the aesthetics of their beautiful designs that practical considerations.
That was the era when Campagnolo equipment was used almost exclusively by every pro team except the French teams which used the French Stronglight equipment, which could go down to 36t chainrings.
Laughed a good few times at this episode. Big up
New nickname for Ollie - Ollie Herckx (as in Hurts) or just Herckx.
On to my post - A few details not mentioned about EM and his hour record are that the Mexico City air would’ve been much thinner and therefore less drag - if he acclimated to the altitude this would be a huge benefit. It would be very interesting to determine the actual added drag reduction and convert that to estimated added wattage output.
Morri Mohr sea level air is 1.2kg/m3. Density appears to vary with pressure, and looking at a few calculators the air density at 2250 elevation is approx 0.9kg/m3. Force is proportional to density, so the drag force at that altitude is only 75% of that at sea level. What that equates to in watt savings I don’t know, but it must be significant
David Marshall - that’s good info - and keep in mind the drag reduction would an exponential energy saving because we (cyclist) know that to increase your pace from (US so using mph not kph) 25mph to 30mph you nearly double your effort. So the impact would be very significant.
@@LuvToRide I found this calculator. www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html
Using the default values, it estimates you need 595w to ride at 50kph.
Reducing air density from 1.2 to 0.9, that power requirement drops to 450w.
So it appears that power requirements drop linearly with air density (keeping velocity constant).
Conversely, holding power constant at 450w and going back to sea level, you'd be going at 45.6kph.
Good to see Ollie the goose co-hosting...😁👍
When Boardman broke the "athletes hour record" he was wearing a more aero kit and only beat Merckx by 10 meters. Boardman of course went nearly 2km further in an hour than Wiggins in what is now known as the ultimate hour record (on his aero setup). Considering the banned position Boardman was using has been shown to not actually be more aero than current setups I think it's safe to say that Merckx was the fastest of all time.
All this said of course while ignoring his illustrious doping resume..
Caption: "Don't think you should drink this, look what's in the ingredients"
Excited to hear about the races on the app!!! Cant wait 👍🙂
Eddy would be the next Eddy.
Can't believe how strong the GCN Show 'hair game' and 'stubble game' is. Dan by a whisker!
Eddy is The best. Ever.
19:56 It so that you can be comfortable in the froome descent postion
It’s not “ a monster truck called grave digger ” it’s just “GRAVEDIGGER!!!!!” Its like a Woods, Jordan, Phelps, Armstrong where one (American) Name is synonymous with the sport they’ve dominated. :) love GCN!!! Easily my favorite show on any media. You guys are amazing
I read in a baseball book of the all-time greatest batters how difficult it is to directly compare athletes across eras, with the equipment changes, nutrition and training advances, rule changes, and technology. So, they compared each hitter with the other hitters of the same era and posed the question: how much better were they than their peers? I think that's a valid comparison. In that case, an Eddy Merckx of today would still blow everyone out of the water.
If Eddy Merx was on a level playing field with modern riders, where there was absolutely no doping, Eddy Merx would smoke all of the modern day riders and they would eat his dust in all the different races. Then they would have to feed him after every race which would cost a lot of money !!! :) Hands down, Eddy Merx is the best all around Cycle Racer that has ever existed.
I can now and have always been able to eat more spaghetti than Merckx. In fact I here now do publicly challenge Eddy Merckx to a spaghetti eating contest.
Looking forward to the app update. Already a great app but the upgrades sound amazing
Yes, Eddy was a champion and he would do whatever it took to win!
I'm totally convinced, that he would still be outstanding. He would probably not win quite as many races, because I think the elite was more narrow back then. But he would still be a dominant rider.
Ollie’s eye game is strong this week!
Lloyd that's not how the GCN curse works. MVP will now win a grand tour.
Caption “so how are you Remco Van der pol!!”
Is there a way of finding out what distance Merckx could have done on the hour record with his peak FTP with today's aerodynamic technology and see what he could have done in the modern day??? Would love to know. He is the Arton Senna of the cycling world, absolute legend. Hopefully no one will better his sporting achievements.
Caption: Jesus...Remco evene-poels out a bottle to drink pre stage and still beats me
They just had a golf tournament in Mexico City, claiming that the ball carried 15% farther. While Ollie still has his fitness, send him to Mexico City and some warm weather. Maybe all he needs is thin air.
Caption: "See, I told you the champagne was older then both of us!"
I've been listening to Kraftycuts for years!!!!
And that wooden bodge has been featured before!
Caption: "Don't know this Kidibul flavour, mate."
Congratulations on your effort! That is an awesome achievement.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY EDDY!
Keep in mind that if Merckx rode in 2020 he would also have better nutrition and training principles to work with. Anything he did when he actually rode would likely only have been enhanced with today's principles (and that's not considering better tech).
Disparia Books Aw, just say it..... and pharmaceuticals... lol
With todays equipment and science Merckx would be even more dangerous!Plus consider the focus and tenacity he had.He wanted to win!
He had to be good to constantly beat guys like De Vlamenick . Maertens , etc .. The Winter training him and his team engaged in was not for the feint of heart.. Would still be wrecking ball through today's peloton with all the new tech on board..
The rear mech alternative routing was originally published by Shimano for the original Dura-Ace and later recommended by Sheldon Brown on his website for other RDs. So it’s a hack but it’s also a published 20+ year old one
18:26-- Ollie, that was a pretty weak forward slash. See Manon's presentation form a few episodes ago!! :)
Caption: Hey look! 10 cent refund in Michigan! (This is a recycling joke here in the US)
Caption: even my liver is stronger than yours
There are 3 certainties in life. Death, taxes and there’s always someone who’s younger, better, faster who is going to beat you at some point 🤣
It's easy to say Eddy couldn't do it in the age of specialization but nobody did it prior to Eddy either. He also had to contend with the second best classics rider of all time, Roger DeVlaeminck, and the third winningest rider, Freddy Maertens, plus the other greats mentioned in the video, so it was never easy. To me his most impressive stat is the seven Milan-San Remo wins. Today it's said, by many racers, to be the most difficult monument to win and something of a lottery but he managed seven wins in all manor of ways, from bunch sprint to solo.
Lance was the best :) #GOAT
MERCKX WAS THE BEST AND STILL WOULD BE TODAY no one would even come close to his efforts he actually did !!
If Merckx raced today he would be stripped of all his titles for doping.
The question is: what kind of juice Eddy was drinking?
He tested positive at least FOUR times... He got kicked out of a Giro d'Italia (whilst leading for 16 stages in '69), after winning Lombardia in '73, at Fleche Wallone in '75, then in '77 for amphetamines... not at a specific race to my knowledge.
So four positives tests over 8 years, in a time when testing was in its infancy. He had excuses, reasons, stories, etc like every other cyclist
Better stuf then the other guys. The kind of juice they gave to horses to run faster.
And yeah, GCN guys, if you talk about Pantani or Eddy in such adorable way, place bring back Lance and Ulrich! They were awesome and fun to watch!
@@kwacker45 i thought he was on painkillers but didn't know amphetamineswere anout then.
@@glennoc8585 Amphetamines have been around for a very long time. They were issued to the German soldiers in WWII, and Hitler was addicted to them (that rage in those crazy rants was not just bad temperament it turns out). There is an interesting 13 part series about it on the History channel from research that has just been published from Hitler's physician's journals
Caption: Hey Miguel, how was my race just like this champagne? They both had a lovely finish.
Yes Eddy like many greats would be the main contender today. Greats are always Great and will always stay Great until age takes its toll at some stage. Now the prize seems to be make as much money as you can then say Bye Bye!
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Well he probably wouldn't be aloud to race that much since he was caught using drugs in 69, 73 and in 77.
In my opinion we shouldn't celebrate him as such a good rider.
Cause who knows how many times he didn't get caught.
But a nice video anyway.
Keep up the nice work.
There was no game changing drugs like EPO in the 70's
@@megaspongebob6 not game changing. But defenitly performance enhancing.
And he got caught 3 times.
So in my opinion he was just another cheater and he might be one of the reasons why cycling has such a bad reputation when ut comes to drugs.
@@denisspratt926 The whole history of the sport is null and void then,since its conception in 1890's.The drugs used in the Merckx era would have been cortisone to ease muscle pain and amphetamines for a perceived psychological boost.Im not condoning drug use,just looking at the evolving history of the sport.Every great rider until very modern times(we hope!)took something to get them through the then much longer,tougher races....its easy to sit at home in 2020 casting judgement about events 50 years ago.It all really changed in the 90's with EPO,its like comparing aspirin with a rocket booster up your arse!!.Lets hope the modern era is finally truly drug free,but dont diss the legends of a bygone age
@@megaspongebob6 he still was a cheater. He got caught 3 times for illegal drugs. Not that big og a legend in my opinion.
@@denisspratt926 read the history of pro cycling and you will understand.
0:10 they credited the photo to "onbekend" which means unknown in Dutch. Great photographer he was ;)
Caption: "Hey look, Pinot has finally made it onto the podium again"
Thumb up for Ollie
"Cool story bro" - Any burn cream for that?
Caption:It says mineral water.Give this to dan and give me my drink