Are Miracles & Advanced Tech Indistinguishable?

In this episode, Eli explores the difference between a miracle and advanced tech that is asserted as indistinguishable from a miracle. The details of the discussion will deal with what is known as Clark's Law and Shermer's Law, and how to respond when skeptics appeal to these ideas. #presup #apologetics #atheism #michaelshermer #bible
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[@LindeeLove]

How do you know that aliens aren't messing with your mind putting stuff directly in your brain with advanced technology?

[@Joseph_Ben_David]

What is your view on marcianism. I seem to find that it's the only way get the real Jesus from the text that wasn't corrupted by orthodoxy. I'd love your opinion. Great show great format. Thank you

[@gabrielteo3636]

I don't understand revelation. What is that? Is it a feeling? Is it a conscious realization? Is it the idea of God? Is it God personally communicating with you? It's an interesting word, but I really don't understand what it is referring to. How would I know if I have revelation or not? This is what I perceive, I'm something that exists and has thoughts and I sense things thru what I will call my senses. Now what is revelation?

[@rebelos2581]

Great question! It is a conscious realization of who God is, his nature, and his persons. The communication can be done by dream, while talking with a person, or while reading the bible,, but it always has to be compared with what he has already revealed in his written word (bible). It is the process of a person realizing the truth and reality of God. Not too philosophical or exhaustive as an answer but is a start! And God's promise is that he will reveal himself to anyone who actually searches him. Have a good day.

[@gabrielteo3636]

@@rebelos2581 So revelation is a conscious realization. So a person is using his fallible reasoning to realize the truth of the Christian God? There seems to be a flaw. How can someone use fallible reasoning to have infallible revelation? Secondly, if it is conscious realization, how can a person not be consciously aware of this conscious realization?

[@rebelos2581]

@@gabrielteo3636 The basis of the whole realization is the distinction between God as a creator and us as a creature. That is the first 'step'. And the second one is that this realization has an actual impact on our way of thinking, that is, we trust what God has said and it makes sense now. On your first objection, the flaw is corrected by having the correct foundation, God instead of man. On the second he is and then he/she can reject that truth or embrace it. A few instances from the bible that present this process are: Peter's confession (Matthew 16:13-17) the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-35), the disciples in Galilee (John 21:1-14) and Paul's conversion (Acts 9:1-21). You can have the knowledge of something in your mind, but until that thing 'clicks' as it should, it is useless to you.

[@gabrielteo3636]

@@rebelos2581 I still don't get it. You and I are fallible. Your realization (revelation) could be wrong, because you are fallible. Here is one way. Jesus may have not resurrected and the story was an embellishment. Your revelation would just be wrong.
On the second part, it seems you are saying people can have deniable realization? That seems really odd unless it is a really weak realization.

[@rebelos2581]

@@gabrielteo3636 Firstly being fallible is irrelevant to the discussion. The revelation has to do with the truth, the actual truth of the creator - creature distinction being manifested in your way of thinking. Once that foundation is set, all else follows. So the problem becomes finding truth. That then leads us to try and find which or who is the absolute authority that makes truth possible, has all truth and communicates that truth. It is like having a statue but it is covered with a sheet. you might know every little detail about that statue, but unless that veil is removed, the truth of the statue, the actual appearance, will never be manifested and as a result have no impact in your (or mine for that matter) life. That is the unveiling or revelation we talk about. it has nothing to do with you, but everything to do with the source. That needs to be infallible, not you.

[@gentledove6804]

Another aspect of this is the application of the unredeemed pre-suppositions. As they become more and more divorced from the reality of God and His created world as He revealed in Scripture, advanced technology and science falsely so-called becomes more and more magical and mythological and miracle-seeming to those who don’t know who God is (though He is written on their hearts, they deny Him in unrighteousness.) Made to worship God, in sin they worship the creature instead. Look at what is being done today by rebellious man (rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft). How they are trying to advance science and technology to the point of witchcraft and magic and playing god. Transhumanism, tell-lie-vision depictions of certain events that make it seem as though the events fit the mediums narrative, CERN opening “portals” with magic rituals and hadron collider, fake auroras, weather manipulation, and DEWs, to name but a few. Exodus 7

[@LindeeLove]

The fact that you mess with children's minds in a school should be criminal.

[@LindeeLove]

Eli....you teach....LOGIC?

[@RevealedApologetics]

@@LindeeLove Yeah, crazy right! 😉

[@LindeeLove]

@@RevealedApologetics More like shameless!

[@russellsteapot8779]

@@LindeeLove Logic is an entirely neutral process, so it would be possible to teach it without imbuing it with 'god-talk', irrespective of the teacher's religious beliefs. If the latter is pushed as PART of logic though, then that would be a terrible disservice to the kids.

[@gentledove6804]

I’m a Christian saved by the gracious mercy of Almighty JEHOVAH, and I love pre-suppositional apologetics. I’ve especially listened to Greg Bahnsen. (Hey, I’m old-school 😅) So glad to find your channel!

[@gentledove6804]

Even the law of gravity isn’t a law, but a theory based on the pre-suppositions of natural sinful man (mixed with a dash of magic, the Chaldean religion of Kabbal-ah).