PB still putting out the best MTB content. Videography, scripting, setting, voice overs, graphics, structure, they're all bang on. Most importantly, the presenters seem so relaxed and authentic and genuinely seem like they enjoy working together and hold each other in high esteem.
I still think it’s so weird that rear suspension design has gotten so complex and varied, yet forks have gone pretty much nowhere in design. I thought we’d be seeing something like the Trust Message fork on frames like this, but I guess that didn’t work out. I got to ride one of those forks and thought it was excellent.
"While in some ways it can be said to offer a new avenue of simplicity, it can also be said to offer another level of complication." I feel like we don't even know what we are tryign to say in 2023 anymore we're just doing our best to sounds intelligent lol
@@YanDoroshenkonice try but if you've ever read a single article written by Henry, you'll realize he literally doesn't think about anything that comes out of his mouth or into his keyboard. The dude contradicts himself and makes comments that are 100% illogical all the time. His opinion articles filled with this.
Why no mention of the UDH version of this frame? Sure it isnt as fancy and probably performs a bit worse, due to the different chain tension, but it is still the same mainframe, just the rear end is different and it looses the damper in the frame.
also love the zoidberg reference... Ok, this seems to me like the perfect EWS bike... all the capabilities of a DH bike, that can 'still' pedal up the cat trails and fire roads for the varying stages. I can see the best of the best maybe getting the most out of it... say a Jared Graves, Rude, etc.. when every second counts. But for most of us? Probably cheaper just to rent a Demo at the hill on park days.
Except most enduro races (including ews) have fairly significant pedaling sprints mid stage. Additionally the fastest performers are on more nimble suspensions that enable generating speed rather than comfort. This seems more of a statement bike for a guy in his mid 40's looking to start conversations on the trail.
lol I am in my early 40s haha, but have been watching the progress of EWS... so I agree. Most EWS bikes, let alone winning ones aren't high pivot, nor couches... are any high-pivot? Maybe Wyn's GT? I mean certainly not Yeti, Rocky and even the Norco team riders seem to opt out of the Range or Shore. I was an avid 4x, DH and freerider, and all those sports have also evolved or disappears (poor 4x)... so you have me convinced, this bike is mostly gravity oriented, but for what purpose? If I were to bike park with a lift or shuttle, I'd grab a GT Fury... IF I were to ride fireroads back up, I'd probably get a ebike like a range and if I were a 'freerider' I'd want a mullet bike with a coil on 27.5 as I'd want the poppyness.
I’m curious how this would compare to just using a central Pinion gearbox. Gearbox puts the weight center and lets the rear suspension become more active by eliminating the cassette/derailleur (swing weight).
MTB noob here... Is this not more or less the same as the new Trek Slash 2024 ? As I have a bad/tired back from work, I want a bike with LOTS of suspension and that is dead SILENT (enjoy riding and seeing natur/animals in the woods) but alsp gives a more secure feeling going down over steep terain and over jumps)
Why? It’s a single pivot(with large bearings) and a drive train with one less pulley than usual high pivots + one of the most worn out components in a normal derailleur(the damper(often falsely called a clutch)) is replaced by a hydraulic one which is much more up to the job. Just because it’s different and the presenters are not able to count pulleys does not mean it’s complicated Ps complicated also does not mean unreliable or high maintenance
It just aches for a dual crown fork and wasn't tested that way. Super odd. The back end is heralded in your vid and yet the front end is coupled to a single crown rockshox..... also odd choices.
Better? That all depends on what you want. Hard to improve on shifting. My XO is better than any of the AXIS and DI2 stuff but,....this was designed to move the dangly derailer away from below the axle where it is going to catch rocks and branches.
When you are reading your commentary off a teleprompter and making this show as boring as humanly possible, you might at least want to practice first so that it doesn’t seem as horrible as it is. I enjoy watching bike reviews, but you guys are making it painful.
Innovation is useless unless its affordable. This bike is more expensive than a good motorbike. Aye i get it, economies of scale blah blah blah, but really, who spends this much of thier own hard earned on a bike, crazy.
a thing to consider is that a top end mountain bike is 90-95% of a professional race bike. a motorbike of comparable price isn't even on the same planet as a professional race motorcycle
@@berengerchristy6256 i get your point, but a kawasaki ninja 650 is 7 and a half grand. All those thousands of moving parts that were stamped, machined, moulded etc is 3 and a half grand cheaper than this bike. I love my mtbing but jeez this is extracting the urine 😂
Go buy a motorcycle then. I just got a new $9000 road bike two weeks ago. Some of us don't mind spending more money on bicycles than motorcycles (I have two motorcycles too).
@@godzilla12325 you don't understand because you could literally race the mountainbike at the highest level, but you can't race the motorbike at all. that's where the money goes
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There is something unsettling about these intros with everyone looking like clones in their matching getup and I love it
True NPC energy lol
When i saw the first video i was 100% that they did some video magic and just copied one of them 4-5 times
When you select the same character on super Smash Bros
it's got a GMBN vibe to it
i’d be nervous on the trail running into so much imperial energy
This thing is like a piece of art literally, at 39 pounds it's a bronze sculpture you can ride.
Besides being a law gravity is a good idea. As for Down Hill at least.
What's the weight difference of the Lal vs a traditional mech?
Y'all guys have been killing it with the exotic bike reviews. I love it!
Except for pole 🤣
Indeed! Way better then the "same shit different toilet" santa cruz bikes reviews they used to have for example
PB still putting out the best MTB content. Videography, scripting, setting, voice overs, graphics, structure, they're all bang on. Most importantly, the presenters seem so relaxed and authentic and genuinely seem like they enjoy working together and hold each other in high esteem.
Nice bike for Canadian East Coast riding. My deraillieur hanger rarely stays true after even only one day (one lap actually) of riding at MSA.
I’d say the fact you can 3d print the cable guides makes it less proprietary…
I mean, you can 3d print anything you have models for...
So do I. Having used 3d printing to replace and improve parts like cable mounts I'd say it's a good move if done correctly
FDM printed mounts that are taped on are not a good look on an $11,000 bike though...
@@adamhollis6753 True, lmao. Emphasis on the done correctly part. Adhesives do not fit for this use case.
High and Forward pivot!! Most exciting bike I have seen for some time.
I still think it’s so weird that rear suspension design has gotten so complex and varied, yet forks have gone pretty much nowhere in design. I thought we’d be seeing something like the Trust Message fork on frames like this, but I guess that didn’t work out. I got to ride one of those forks and thought it was excellent.
"While in some ways it can be said to offer a new avenue of simplicity, it can also be said to offer another level of complication." I feel like we don't even know what we are tryign to say in 2023 anymore we're just doing our best to sounds intelligent lol
The fact that you've mentioned that radiates thought like a genius-generated wisdom.
@@YanDoroshenkonice try but if you've ever read a single article written by Henry, you'll realize he literally doesn't think about anything that comes out of his mouth or into his keyboard. The dude contradicts himself and makes comments that are 100% illogical all the time. His opinion articles filled with this.
I think it’s pretty clear? He’s saying that if it seems like the system is simple, that’s offset by hidden shit
Why no mention of the UDH version of this frame? Sure it isnt as fancy and probably performs a bit worse, due to the different chain tension, but it is still the same mainframe, just the rear end is different and it looses the damper in the frame.
Because it was designed to lose that stupid dangling overpriced thing that is the old school derailer.
Nicolai bikes are rare, flipin' wicked and very expensive, but you get unique bike, that no one has got in reality :)
Absolutely sick bike - just pretty complicated
graphics say 490 reach in M not the Large as quoted in review
Noticed this as well!
also love the zoidberg reference...
Ok, this seems to me like the perfect EWS bike... all the capabilities of a DH bike, that can 'still' pedal up the cat trails and fire roads for the varying stages. I can see the best of the best maybe getting the most out of it... say a Jared Graves, Rude, etc.. when every second counts.
But for most of us? Probably cheaper just to rent a Demo at the hill on park days.
Except most enduro races (including ews) have fairly significant pedaling sprints mid stage. Additionally the fastest performers are on more nimble suspensions that enable generating speed rather than comfort. This seems more of a statement bike for a guy in his mid 40's looking to start conversations on the trail.
@@spottba hoooo you are a bit rosty unterwegs,
lol I am in my early 40s haha, but have been watching the progress of EWS... so I agree.
Most EWS bikes, let alone winning ones aren't high pivot, nor couches... are any high-pivot? Maybe Wyn's GT?
I mean certainly not Yeti, Rocky and even the Norco team riders seem to opt out of the Range or Shore.
I was an avid 4x, DH and freerider, and all those sports have also evolved or disappears (poor 4x)... so you have me convinced, this bike is mostly gravity oriented, but for what purpose? If I were to bike park with a lift or shuttle, I'd grab a GT Fury... IF I were to ride fireroads back up, I'd probably get a ebike like a range and if I were a 'freerider' I'd want a mullet bike with a coil on 27.5 as I'd want the poppyness.
@@vrwgq3q I think you could use it instead of a downhill bike mostly
Humm, forbidden team has several convincing wins, women's junior overall , Rhys Verner with some wins, fifth team overall this season.
3:05 bro bottomed out on evry rock wth am i watching 😂
This is getting a little crazy. It's been years, where are all my pinon gearbox bike options?
Nicolai has something at least
nicolai got you coverd if you want pinion. but also the Kavenz is now available with gearbox and adjustable chainstays
@@antrace92 😮
I’m curious how this would compare to just using a central Pinion gearbox. Gearbox puts the weight center and lets the rear suspension become more active by eliminating the cassette/derailleur (swing weight).
The Pinion gearbox can't be beat in terms of minimizing unsprung weight, but the Supre Drive has significantly less drag and weight.
A 40lb, $11k, over engineered hot mess of extraness. Sign me up 😎👍
wait, this isn't a dirt jumper?
every day i am just waiting for the videos
MTB noob here... Is this not more or less the same as the new Trek Slash 2024 ?
As I have a bad/tired back from work, I want a bike with LOTS of suspension and that is dead SILENT (enjoy riding and seeing natur/animals in the woods) but alsp gives a more secure feeling going down over steep terain and over jumps)
LOL. It's heavier than my e-bike. Still looks like it would be a fun park bike if you like to ride mega-tech.
Gravity doesn't care about weight.
Have fun maintaining and cleaning...
I've got this bike in atomic yellow
So now you smash the frame xD
Thank you for review of bikes for 11k, I guess majority will buy that…
Want to see this frame in a carbon version
11.061 $
The only thing that would make this bike better is if it were a recumbent
Can only imagine what a nightmare it is to perform regular maintenance for such a bike…
Doesn't bother me one bit.
Why?
It’s a single pivot(with large bearings) and a drive train with one less pulley than usual high pivots + one of the most worn out components in a normal derailleur(the damper(often falsely called a clutch)) is replaced by a hydraulic one which is much more up to the job.
Just because it’s different and the presenters are not able to count pulleys does not mean it’s complicated
Ps complicated also does not mean unreliable or high maintenance
going down the rocks the frame and rider didn't even move
Sounds like a 1 day a month ride. 😂 F that I want a space age hard trail
Did you say anything about cornering?
Or the different models/customization.
Trek slash gen 6 when?
It just aches for a dual crown fork and wasn't tested that way. Super odd. The back end is heralded in your vid and yet the front end is coupled to a single crown rockshox..... also odd choices.
Sc forks perform so welll nowdays that dc forks are obsolete for anything other than racing.
You can test my bike if you like? I imagine the Nucleon will feel light in comparison
voice of hosts are drowning( add some voice to your speech, cmon, its not interrogation.
great topic nonetheless
do they make chains that long?
rivet 2 chain together.
What?! This new weird idea of a drivetrain isn't better than the tried-and-true styles of drivetrain that everyone else uses?! Shocking.
Better? That all depends on what you want. Hard to improve on shifting. My XO is better than any of the AXIS and DI2 stuff but,....this was designed to move the dangly derailer away from below the axle where it is going to catch rocks and branches.
I'm soooo glad I ride a rigid single speed.
How are your knees?
this is gonna be a maintenance nightmare
Who cares. If you buy a bike like this, you have money to service it at the LBS.
@@fpeter01or the skills to do so.
When you are reading your commentary off a teleprompter and making this show as boring as humanly possible, you might at least want to practice first so that it doesn’t seem as horrible as it is. I enjoy watching bike reviews, but you guys are making it painful.
I look at this and i want to ride an orange patriot. Actually no i don't, but still
how so?
1000 bearings and enough kinematics for a headache
@@PeakTorquelooks like the same amount as a Horst link
a number of 3d printed presenters here
Bikes now are so low. Pedals hit 1- 3 inch obstacles on the trail when pedalling, Ridiculous.
Anyone else love Henry but find his voice hard to understand? Not just the accent, the volume/tone. I miss Levy narrating and hosting the podcast.
Is this shit just me or is it different strokes for different folks at different prices 😂
11k for a 40lb sled 😕. I can't imagine these companies are going to survive the churning bike market of coming years.
it was all questionable throughout until the price tag.. last nail in the coffin.
nice that it exists though 😬
There's two type of people out there:
Those who want to ride.
And those who want to sit and look at their bikes.
It's handmade. And checked accurately
@@LaurentiusTriarius second type are usually dentists 😬
Not a bike to buy, it's too nich to be used as an everyday bike. It's more of a garage queen.
Don't like the look of all that chain slap
If you read the review, you'll see that it's extremely quiet.
Mike leavy is dead? Damn had no clue. RIP
Omg seriously ?
what about that creaky voice?
I though that was a usaer woman thing
That's so easy till your in 40s. You'll be f up
Are you guys robots??
Painful listening to both of you trying to give your opinion
I welcome innovation but this is not the way.
Too. Too. Too. Much. Chain.
I don't recall asking for THIS crap.
You don’t have to buy it 💁🏼♂️
This bike is for a yuppie who wants a 5th bike that doesn't work well at anything more than one application.
11k??! looks like another dead brand in less than a year...
They’ve been around for years as a niche brand and will be for years to come.
Just buy a motorcycle that's garbage
Teach that guy with glasses to talk not like Lady Gaga
Teach this guy in the comments how to be less weird
day 134 of asking where levy is.
what a compromised pos system, just put a gearbox with a belt on it
would b heavier and less efficent (and is also available)
Innovation is useless unless its affordable. This bike is more expensive than a good motorbike. Aye i get it, economies of scale blah blah blah, but really, who spends this much of thier own hard earned on a bike, crazy.
a thing to consider is that a top end mountain bike is 90-95% of a professional race bike. a motorbike of comparable price isn't even on the same planet as a professional race motorcycle
@@berengerchristy6256 i get your point, but a kawasaki ninja 650 is 7 and a half grand. All those thousands of moving parts that were stamped, machined, moulded etc is 3 and a half grand cheaper than this bike. I love my mtbing but jeez this is extracting the urine 😂
Go buy a motorcycle then.
I just got a new $9000 road bike two weeks ago. Some of us don't mind spending more money on bicycles than motorcycles (I have two motorcycles too).
@@JoshuaTootell worst "i have a 9 grand bike" bragging message ever....
@@godzilla12325 you don't understand because you could literally race the mountainbike at the highest level, but you can't race the motorbike at all. that's where the money goes