Wow, you were 💯% correct in your teaching, especially Matthew 22:34-40 🙏🏽!!! Also, there were 613 commandments/laws in the Torah and GOD gave HIS people Israel Ten Commandments in which #1- 4 dealt with their dealings with HIM/GOD and #5 - 10 dealt with their relationship with their neighbor/fellow man 👍!!! Great job my Brother 🙏🏽!!!
Deep and informative truth. I finally google and saw all 613 laws of the Mosaic law and it is no way anyone can do it. Praise God for Jesus. I stopped tithing for some months now and I feel free.
Don't be cheated. Abraham was free from no one. He was not under the law. Don't be selfish. Principle is not law. You're free from the law not principle. Jesus still wants people to obey his under grace instructions.
Is there any record of Abraham continuing paying Tithes or any of his children? More important is after Christ, i have no record of Tithe being paid. Like the good Samaritan, go and do likewise. Not saying do not be generous but dont feel pressured to give grudgingly
Olukole There is no record of Abraham paying tithes beyond the one time to Melchizedek. Neither is there any record of his natural children doing it. Jacob made a vow or promise to tithe but there is no biblical record that he ever did it. Tithes were paid after Jesus death and resurrection but that was from Jews that did not recognize that Jesus the Christ fulfilled God's promises. It was a significant enough concern that there was a meeting to review or determine exactly which Laws new converts were to follow in Acts 15. Tithing would have been one of the things reviewed although I can't prove it because the Bible does not specifically say that they reviewed all 613 OT laws.
When someone teaches the word then advises the ones they teach to make sure and read the word for themselves and confirm what they are hearing is true is something not a lot of bible teachers do anymore. So, that is a key clue that this brother’s heart is into preaching the true gospel. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Mathew 22:29 He speaks to the sadducees that thought they knew… 22 But Jesus answered them, “you are wrong, because you know neither the Scripture nor the power of God”. If we know the scripture, the scripture tells us everything we need to know on the power of God there for we shall not be lied to. God Bless!!
(Part 1 of 4) Money was never used for the tithe in the Bible ! God commanded that money not be given for the tithe in the old testament. Will a man disobey God and give money for a tithe ? If we try to follow each and every one of the old laws then the Bible tells us we shall remain under the old laws that we as people can not be able fulfill all the old laws, and then shall those people remain under the old curses and not under the Grace of Jesus, we need to be practical in the way we do things naturally of course, and some things that are taught are practical but consider the following that I write about, and some Bible verses are shown below for you to read to see what the Bible has written in it. 1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received. My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe. The old law of giving 10 % of your increase (the tithe) of crops and animals was Holy in the Old Testament as it was required by law by God's laws that God gave to mankind, and yes that tithe of the old testament was Holy, however, there is no place in the Bible that states to give 10% of your monthly income of money in the Bible at all either in the Old Testament or New Testament, and that is the error that people are being taught by some tithing ministers that money is to be given for tithing. A Bible College Professor in Florida once wrote a document about tithing, in such document he states that giving the 10% tithe in the Bible was and has always been regarding only edible things and not giving money for tithing and that there is no place in the Bible that states that money is to be given for tithing. There are many other ministers that also preach that the tithe was always edible things according to God's law of what to give for tithing and not money. I have even heard a Jewish Rabbi lecture that the Jewish tithe from the old testament was always edible things from the land or animals, I can not think of anyone that would know more about the old laws of the old testament about tithing then a Rabbi, further the Rabbi stated that the act of giving money for tithing is something that only some Christian ministers have come up with to get money from people and that to give money for tithing is not Biblical according to the old testament. Yes, people in the old testament sometimes gave offerings also of money or gold, etc., but the things given were given as free offerings.
@@kennethwalker6434 it's actually written in the Bible... everything said (above) I nodded to, because I wanted to look at tithing a bit closer.. and it seems these modernistic churches that don't preach the Gospel rather just chant and sing song's are using scripture as a play to get money from Christians who possibly don't understand the Bible because they're not being taught it in church or they can't be bothered with picking the living word of God up and reading it for themselves.. I was watching a service only a few hours ago, an invite sent via Facebook - I straight away detected false doctrine... because I'm in the WORD everyday, because I know the lack of knowledge will destroy those who hang off every word a pastor would say..rather than to read it for themselves (I say again) God bless
Edward Faasoa Your statement "Remember that they excange their tithing in forms of money and gave it to the priests." is incorrect. Farmers and ranchers that had so much to tithe that they could not carry it to Jerusalem for the 3 feasts were allowed to convert the tithes to silver and when they arrived in Jerusalem they were required to exchange the silver for any food they wanted and then eat the food. This particular tithe was not given to the priests. The people were to 'consume the food joyfully'. You said "it's not a sin if you tithe". I never said it was a sin. What I have repeatedly stated is that we are guided by the New Covenant and that it is impossible for believers to tithe according to the scriptures. Sure you can give 10% if you want but none of us can tithe since 1) we don't live in the promised land (food grown outside of the promised land was considered unfit for worship), 2) there are no priests that serve in support of the tabernacle (OT priests had to be descendants of Moses brother Aaron) 3) money was never given as a tithe. A tithe was always food. Brother George
In that case we were cursed anyway because we don't keep any of Mosaic. That is why we are saved by his blood, and not by keeping law. Jesus freed us from them. His blessings are ours because we believe in him. 😊
Christians are not understanding that the Old Testament was written and given to us for an ensample or for our example of GOD and how HE dealt with HIS chosen people (& Israel, the nation) HE selected for HIMSELF 🙏🏽!!! Anything coming out of and from the Old Testament was under/by/cometh/came by way of the law(s) and the command, and the commandment(s) of GOD !!!
Daniel Smith, I think you are saying that you will still tithe to your church. It is impossible for you to tithe according to the scriptures. Most people that give 10% call it tithing which, as I have already demonstrated, is incorrect. The main point is that giving to your church does not guarantee God's blessings to you. Want to bless God for certain? Then you yourself give directly to the poor and then you will have treasure in heaven. Matt 19:20 - 21 Brother Greene
He gave a higher commandment to love others as he has loved us. How do you answer the angle that tithing predates the Mosaic Covenant? Thanks for your teaching.
Lakeva, Lessons 112 and 113 in this series th-cam.com/play/PLM665s4yDYnaIG8s7V8dOSB05KKGlPSBN.html will answer that question completely. If not, please let me know. Brother George
(Part 2 of 4) Sometimes I hear ministers say things to people to try to get them to give money as what they call a “seed offering” as they tell the people to get something in return from God. On one such incident I heard on TV on Feb.10, 2019, the minister was telling the people that if they gave by faith they may receive 1000 times more back by a miracle by God , or they may be healed or receive some other type of miracle. The minister was telling a story about a person that was an illegal that paid thousands of dollars for legal fees to get a green card but was being told by the government they still would not get a green card, but when the person gave $1000 by faith the illegal person received the green card in the mail, thus the minister seems to be telling illegal people to give $1000 by faith to possibly receive your green card as an example of a miracle from God for giving $1000. The minister asked people viewing to call and give $1000 by faith, and on the bottom of the screen they placed some names of people and where they lived that apparently were giving $1000. The very odd thing at the end of this program was when on the TV screen the words appeared as a disclaimer that the ministry did not guarantee that people giving $1000 would receive any miracles at all. So the minister tells people to give $1000 in faith to receive a miracle, but they actually may not receive a miracle from God. Thus it appears the minister tells people that by faith if they give $1000 they can get a miracle from God because God promises the miracles, but that God may not give them miracles, and therefore the minister actually says in reality that God is a liar by the minister it seems to me in my opinion, however God is not a liar, the way the Bible is twisted and used by some ministers to get money is what is false and evil it seems to me ! The new testament tells us we are to give FREE WILL OFFERINGS, so if a person gives 5% or 10% or 50% or 100% of their monetary income that money is a FREE WILL OFFERING and not a tithe even if 10% of the money was given. I have asked a few tithing preaching ministers as well as some non tithing ministers have also asked where in the Bible it states to give money for tithing in any part of the Bible and no tithing minister has been able to show this any where in the old or new testament. And that is why it appears some people that may have read part of the Bible have not read the whole Bible it seems. The Bible does state in it in the old testament that God commanded that edible things be given for tithing. Additionally in the Bible in the old testament it states that God commanded that money not to be given for tithing. The Bible never shows any place in it that God changed to want money for tithing ! God gives the commandment not to give money for tithing in the Bible, but some men that call themselves ministers tell people to disobey God's commandment and give money for tithing ! Is the Bible the truthful word of God or are the words of some men that call themselves ministers the truthful word of God that is what everyone needs to question for themselves, do they believe what is written in the Bible or do they believe the word of some men ? Do you obey God and not give money for tithing, or do you disobey God because some ministers tell you to ? The law was disannulled by God in the new testament, Jesus fulfilled the law, with Jesus as the new priesthood the law was changed, all this is stated in the Bible. There is a video on TH-cam where a minister asks for lots of money to be given on TV, he also said on the show that Satan gave him the message, and then says that he really should not have said that.
Sive, I am hoping that you demonstrated the ability to stand up for what you believed and not be intimidated by religious leaders. For me, that pastor seems to believe that he can do whatever he wants like coming to you on your job. That's just crazy!! Hopefully you can truthfully say that you didn't give in to his bullying. Brother George
@@nomoretithing_guy Brother George, thankfully I told them that their teaching didn't line up with The Bible. They were upset with me for sharing the truth about tithing on Facebook. I had a meeting with them and left that Church because of quite a few bad teachings. God blessed me with the courage to stand up for what is true and I did... Thank you.
Sive, Praise God!! I am really pleased to here what happened. Your action will encourage others to stand up for what they know to be the truth too. Brother George
(Part 4 of 4) The many verses I have written show that: 1. God found the law as stated in the Bible to be weak and unprofitable as shown in scripture. 2. God disannulled the law as shown in scripture (thus it was the ending the giving of edible tithes). 3. I have been accused of saying that tithes were never given in the Bible, but I have never said that tithes of edible things were not given under the law before, but I do say that money was not to be given for tithing based on scripture that I have shown. So the person that said that I said tithes were never given in the Bible has stated a complete lie against me. 4. The many scriptures I have shown show that the law was changed, the law was disannulled, Jesus fulfilled the law for us, by the priesthood being changed the laws were changed, etc. I know tithing thinking people will not accept any of these things from the Bible scriptures and they will continue to say they practice the old laws of tithing except they change God's word of giving only edible things to now the giving of money even though the Bible says not to give money and the Bible also says not to change God's word ! I have even heard now that a tithing thinking person say that the Jewish people do not understand the old testament about tithing, WOW ! I have heard some tithing ministers say at different times: that if you do not tithe do not come to their church because the seats are only for tithing people, or if you do not tithe you will die, or if you do not tithe you will have a divorce, or if you do not tithe the minister would like to kill you, I heard one minister say that he was looking for some place in the Bible that would say he could kill people that said bad things about him, or say that if you do not tithe you will lose your job, or I have seen a church I visited that the tithing people received special prayer from the minister while the other people did not, etc., does this look like a love for money ? Of course on the other hand I have heard a tithing minister say if you gave him $4,000 he will tell God to let you and your whole family into heaven (he preaches buying salvation it seems), or when you tithe you will receive 100 times back that from God (apparently he preaches God drops money from Heaven ?), or give tithes and you will get rich (yes I have seen a few people that gave 10% of their money claim to get rich with their work but would they have gotten rich any way ? , but on the other hand I have seen so many people tithe and be so poor, for instance an old retired couple that was asked to speak in church about their giving tithes and they said they gave tithes all their lives and were able to have enough money left over to buy and eat macaroni and cheese and other cheap foods), or a minister that kept telling people to give tithes and they would get rich was confronted by the people telling him they were not getting rich and he told them they just had to keep believing and giving tithes to get rich (some one did get rich eventually as I saw when that minister said he had enough money now that he was retiring from the ministry and buying a bunch of land and have a resort), anyway it always seems like they tell people to give the money and they will get rich or that you are robbing from God sometimes.
A person can't tithe in the way the law says anyway because there is no temple or preist or system of worship worship like there at that time. So they have made up a tithe system and and told them if they pay this God would prosper them. If you want to someone to think they will prosper tell them to money tithe. A greedy person will tithe as much as they can to get as rich as they can. 😊
Hi Pastor I have a question. I’m digesting all of this from you and others who teach against tithing. Can you please explain Heb 7:8- “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” Ok I get that Abram gave the tithe once. But is this verse saying Jesus received the tithe from the Israelites? Please advise thank you!
Tiffany, thanks for writing. It's not saying that. It's can be somewhat awkward to explain but I found this link that, to me, does a very good job explaining it. www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/7/Hebrews-7-8.html Brother George
George Green, pls what do you say? about people who think "because we are by faith children of Abraham" , we have to pay the form of tithe that Abraham paid as mentioned in the the Heb. 7:4,8. That Christian must continue it regularly. I think it is not so.
Likitan Toks I certainly agree with you. Yes, Abraham did pay a tithe just one time and it was on the spoils of war. He and his nephew Lot were already rich and they did not get rich by tithing. They got rich simply because God promised to bless them. As spiritual children of Abraham, we are also in line for God's blessings and we also don't have to tithe in order to be blessed. Please understand that it is not God's will for every Christian to be loaded with money but instead for us to be like Abraham and BE a blessing. I have not heard anyone teach that except for myself. I produced a 5 part video lesson 'How to BE a blessing'. It is available here th-cam.com/play/PLM665s4yDYnazz1flFFEWJGigBxXB-MZk.html Unfortunately as I look back on my teaching I can say that it was much too long and I strayed off topic a few times. Brother George
Michelle, Jesus told us which commandments were important. It is recorded in Matt 22:34 - 40. His short list is more important than the 10 commandments since the two he directed us to are the foundation for ALL the laws. I just added a new location to get the lists. Links to them are available on TH-cam when you select the first video of this series which is 105 - The Truth About Tithing .
@@nomoretithing_guy how come there isnt a direct quote in the old testament of what jesus said referring to the heart soul and mind in matthew 22:37 also how are those commandments in matthew a foundation for the sabbath commandment
LaMetrius Jackson Deut 6:5 is part of where Jesus was quoting. True the word 'mind' is not in that verse but if you continue reading to Deut 6:6-12 it clearly implies that God was to be on the 'mind' of his chosen people all the time. I can't add anything to what Jesus said about those two laws being the foundation for all the laws. For me you have to accept it or reject it. For some reason you have chosen to make the sabbath laws separate. I am aware that a lot of well meaning people still try to hold onto some of the Sabbath day laws. My understanding comes from this James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. So if you decide to try to obey SOME parts of the Old Covenant but not all of the approximate 612 laws that might pertain to you you are guilty of being a lawbreaker. I choose to accept the grace offered believers that is part of the New Covenant God promised to have with believers in Jeremiah 31:31- 34 Brother George
@@lametriusjackson3628 The two commandments are the foundation of the Sabbath because in this new covenant our Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him.
I have realized we may have the same understanding just may need to follow more closely. However, I still see that This tithing thing begins way back with Abraham and that was not a law. Also first fruit begins way back with Cain And Abel still not as a law. And tithes are for the Levites for food as the bible says "Leave a lone the purification and sanctification issues which are not necessary anymore" Wherewith there're also new testament ministers/Levites. So according to Abraham, Cain and Abel and the very reason why we have to tithe. I think tithe is not optional but essential...I think we have to send some mails about this issue to understand each other better.
Shakab Clapton Based on your comment here I can say for sure that we do not have the same understanding about tithing. Also you stated here that you think the tithe is essential so clearly our beliefs do not have much in common. I have already presented both in this series and the much shorter 3 part 'No More Tithing' series that starts at lesson 147 all that I believe about tithing. This may sound harsh but I am in no way open to modifying or changing my beliefs about tithing. Certainly there are minor things in my belief about tithing that may need modification and I would be open to considering changing those items but NOT the big issue, that is 'are Christians required to tithe'. My answer is the same - Absolutely not. New testament ministers are not Levites. A Levite must be a descendant of Moses brother Aaron. Certainly there are people that do have Aaron's blood in them but I do not believe it is every minister or preacher. Also I would doubt anyone that makes a public claim saying they are in order to collect a form of tithes. I call it 'form of tithes' since all tithes were always food and never money.
Everyone has a choice to believe what they choose. I've noted Paul's words that we all know in parts. If one chooses to stick to what they think they know, I respect them. But I would also try to let you know from scriptures that there're new covenants levites don't just stick to what you think you know before digging into other inspirations. That makes it self-will. Check the promise for new levites and priests Isaiah 66:18-21...Paul also mentions we're able ministers of the new covenant 2 Corinthians 3:6 and 1 peter 2:5 we're built as a spiritual house a royal priesthood. Don't be rigid to what you've chosen to believe. The bible is entirely a spiritual book and believe me, there's much more you may not know...That's why I pointed out to speak in mails not comments. It's not a battle its a discussion. I understand your idea but it's not entirely true. Yet it has so much theological knowledge. Sometimes scriptures are not logical just like we see them...they are spiritual. If we don't search deeper and just take everything so casually, we error. Tithe is simply an organized way of giving to God. You can choose your way but God is a God of order. I believe order is very important in giving. We're free from the law but not free from having principles. Abraham worked by principle not law, so is Cain and Abel. Who gave the law to Abraham or Cain and Abel? If anyone else would be free from tithe, Abraham would not be free because he wasn't under the law, so are the two sons of Adam. Just pick this simple logic... Sometimes when they hurt us we choose to believe what we want to believe. But you may need to revise many things too my brother. If you take away or do away with the old shirt because you bought a new one, does it mean you don't need to wear clothes anymore. It's just a reflection of the old. Does not mean it's the old one. Principle is what I am talking about "Order" Jesus came in the reflection of Melchizedek. The new Testament giving is just reflection of the old. There must be order...Tithe is a decent way of giving to God. A responsible self disciplined way... Believe it or not, Abraham, Cain and Abel had the same idea like this when they offered to God. Jesus abolished the law and yet introduced a new way of doing things, and some are still a reflection of what was began earlier like love etc. I have watched much of what your idea is about tithe...in much of your lessons. And I can tell that I can still point out a lot of errors and misconception. You're escape the point about Abraham and Cain and Abel's offering. Was it a law? Why do you want to stick too much to what you want to believe? From a pure heart I still think I would follow a right order of giving under self discipline and no better way than tithe...The bible is full of principles. If giving tithe can be a good principle why should I not tithe？You said everyone was free who wasn't a farmer or gardener! Really? Much to revise. You may find much you may need to correct.
Shakab Clapton I have very little more to say. To me it is clear that all Israelites were NOT required to tithe. It was just farmers who either raised food or animals and of those who raised animals it was only those that raised 10 or more. That comes from Leviticus 27:30-34. Pay particular attention to verse 34. It wasn't a great principle then. It was a requirement for those who raised food. Brother George
Global Aroma Network It has nothing to do with a choice to believe what you want to believe. Its has to do with what it REALLY says. And tithing is NOT a requirement for Christians. Its that simplez.
There is nothing in the Bible saying that Tithe is a requirement for Christians. Giving IS a requirement but not some fixed percentage. Christians are told to give according to their ability.
Jamel Thanks for asking since others are probably wondering the same. I have not posted a followup and have no current plans to do so. I'm fairly certain I indicated that I may do something like that but my plans have changed. Brother George
(Part 3 of 4) If you have read the Bible then you should be knowledgeable that there is no place in any part of the Bible that says money was to be given for tithing, just try and look it up yourself and you will see it can not be found. You ask for some verses in the new testament , please read Hebrews, Chapter 7, verse 5 "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" and verse 11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and be called after the order of Aaron ?" and verse 12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." verse 18 and 19 where it is written "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God", and 26 and 27, "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens." "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Or, Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteous to every one that believeth." and Matthew 5 verse 17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Romans 6 verse 14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 7 verse 6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believth." 2nd Corinthians verse 20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." and 23 "But every man in his own order Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Also, Galations Chapter 3, verses 10 to 14, "10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith." Read Leviticus Chapter 27, and there is a lot to read about the tithing commandment God gave to Moses that discusses the many various instances about the tithing law and how the law pertained to many different things ! In Deuteronomy Chapter 14 verses 24-29 is where God instructs people what to give for tithing, and also God instructs not to bring any money for tithing, Deuteronomy 14:22-29 22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Throughout bible God said dont oppress the poor . In any Church there are always poor people who simply cant afford to give 10% of income . Tithing is mandatory like paying tax is oppression Would God contradict Himself dont oppress the poor then demand tithing which is oppressing the poor , it makes no sense . I think above 95% of pastors demand tithing as they earns from tithing having no faith to depend on offering alone . But teaching tithing is a must is a lie
if we don't give tirhs in the church specially in hongkong the most expensive city to rent a place for church people to gathering, how our pastors pay the rent if no tithes we have no own buildings to gather we only rent a place about 8000 Us dallors
pastorajean omli, First you have to decide if you are going to follow the handling of money the way it is demonstrated in the New Testament or follow the way of many, many very large Christian churches here in America and around the world. Right now it seems you are following the way of the big "successful" Christian churches. As I read the examples of the church in the New Testament I don't see at any time a push by church leaders to get people to tithe in order to build or maintain church buildings. Following is a quote from author Frank Viola "In our book, Pagan Christianity, George Barna and I wrote an entire chapter on the history of tithing from the Old Testament era, through the New Testament, and onward into church history. What we establish will shock most Christians. Namely, Christians didn’t begin the practice of tithing until hundreds of years after the death of the apostles." I realize I am not directly answering your question and I understand you have to collect a lot of money to properly service property but is the building really necessary to build the church? You have to answer that for yourself. Brother George
Edgardo I take 2 lessons to teach about Abraham's tithe. The first is this th-cam.com/video/Kafeq8PVkik/w-d-xo.html and the second is this th-cam.com/video/aaAHDJYFGQI/w-d-xo.html The bottom line is that Abraham was free to do what he wanted with the spoils of war and he chose to give a tithe to Melchizedek. He kept nothing for himself since the balance of the spoils went to either the king or back to the people it was stolen from.
Tithing was composed of agricultural products, not wages. Abraham voluntarily tithed of his spoils but nowhere in scripture are we instructed to do the same thing. Samson killed 10,000 people with the jawbone of an ass but nowhere are we instructed to do the same. We must be wise enough to sort out to whom instructions are given and the optional things people did without an instruction. We can all give gifts.
Treasure Brown The short story is that there are actually three Greek words used. They are cross, tree, and wood. I can't to a better job of explaining than what you will find with this link carm.org/jesus-die-on-cross-or-tree I found it very helpful.
Wow, you were 💯% correct in your teaching, especially Matthew 22:34-40 🙏🏽!!! Also, there were 613 commandments/laws in the Torah and GOD gave HIS people Israel Ten Commandments in which #1- 4 dealt with their dealings with HIM/GOD and #5 - 10 dealt with their relationship with their neighbor/fellow man 👍!!! Great job my Brother 🙏🏽!!!
Roberta Whitfield, I'm glad you can appreciate my take on this subject. Thank you.
Brother George
@@nomoretithing_guy: You are most welcome 🙏🏽!!!
Thank you sir, for sound doctrine 🙏🏾
Glad you can appreciate my effort. Praise God.
Brother George
Glad you explained it with scripture it helps a lot of people understand better!🙌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Glad it was helpful!
I really try to give people all the info they need to understand the truth about tithing. I'm glad you can appreciate it.
Brother George
Amen led by spirit will now the way
Deep and informative truth. I finally google and saw all 613 laws of the Mosaic law and it is no way anyone can do it. Praise God for Jesus. I stopped tithing for some months now and I feel free.
Praise God!! I pray that God will give you wisdom and an ear to hear him as he guides you in other ways to bless believers and non believers both.
Don't be cheated. Abraham was free from no one. He was not under the law. Don't be selfish. Principle is not law. You're free from the law not principle. Jesus still wants people to obey his under grace instructions.
Is there any record of Abraham continuing paying Tithes or any of his children? More important is after Christ, i have no record of Tithe being paid. Like the good Samaritan, go and do likewise. Not saying do not be generous but dont feel pressured to give grudgingly
Olukole
There is no record of Abraham paying tithes beyond the one time to Melchizedek. Neither is there any record of his natural children doing it. Jacob made a vow or promise to tithe but there is no biblical record that he ever did it.
Tithes were paid after Jesus death and resurrection but that was from Jews that did not recognize that Jesus the Christ fulfilled God's promises. It was a significant enough concern that there was a meeting to review or determine exactly which Laws new converts were to follow in Acts 15. Tithing would have been one of the things reviewed although I can't prove it because the Bible does not specifically say that they reviewed all 613 OT laws.
When someone teaches the word then advises the ones they teach to make sure and read the word for themselves and confirm what they are hearing is true is something not a lot of bible teachers do anymore. So, that is a key clue that this brother’s heart is into preaching the true gospel. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Mathew 22:29
He speaks to the sadducees that thought they knew…
22 But Jesus answered them, “you are wrong, because you know neither the Scripture nor the power of God”.
If we know the scripture, the scripture tells us everything we need to know on the power of God there for we shall not be lied to. God Bless!!
Los A, Thank you for recognizing the truth of what I teach and the intention of my heart. Praise God.
Brother George
@@nomoretithing_guy God bless brother George!
I appreciate your teaching! You are a good man! God bless you!
Kami Wilson,
Thank you for the encouragement.
Very good sir, thank you for truth
(Part 1 of 4) Money was never used for the tithe in the Bible ! God commanded that money not be given for the tithe in the old testament. Will a man disobey God and give money for a tithe ?
If we try to follow each and every one of the old laws then the Bible tells us we shall remain under the old laws that we as people can not be able fulfill all the old laws, and then shall those people remain under the old curses and not under the Grace of Jesus, we need to be practical in the way we do things naturally of course, and some things that are taught are practical but consider the following that I write about, and some Bible verses are shown below for you to read to see what the Bible has written in it. 1. The Bible tells us that God commanded that only plants and animals be given for tithing, 2. In the Bible we can read that God commanded that if a person had money when they were at the place to tithe that they were to take the money and buy what their soul longeth to eat and bring those edible things only for tithing and not to give money for tithing, 3. To give money for tithing is actually the breaking of God's laws and commandments that were given in the Bible as mentioned beforehand, 4. To continue to follow the old laws of the Bible then, in the new testament it tells us that you then remain under the old curse and are not under the Grace of Jesus, 5. In Hebrews 7 the Bible tells us that the old laws were weak and unprofitable for us and that the laws were disannulled and the priesthood was changed through Jesus because the priests had to offer up sacrifices daily but Jesus only needed to offer himself up only once for us, 6. If ministers tell people we are still under the old laws of giving, then why do they not preach all the laws that were commanded for giving such as redeeming your property, and paying money for your sin offering, and paying a certain amount of money every year according to your age and gender, etc. ? 7. The Bible tells us we are to give Free Will offerings now, 8. The word tithe means basically 10% of something, but in the Bible tithing was done regarding several different things or different years so the giving of tithes was much more then 10% of the things, 9. Tithing in the Bible was only done a few certain times of the year, not every week !, 10. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek from the spoils of war and not from any wages earned, further if you read elsewhere in the Bible we can read that Abraham had received from a King the amount of 1000 pieces of silver and animals and land, but if you read the Bible there is no where in the Bible that states Abraham tithed anything from the 1000 pieces of silver or animals or land that he received.
My question is then why would anyone want to try to give money for tithing since it appears that this is actually disobeying God's commandments written in the Bible, and you would remain under the old curses and not under Grace as written in the Bible, and it appears you would be telling God that he does not have the authority to disannull his laws, and it appears you would be denying Jesus's priesthood and sacrifice of himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice only needed once and once only, so why would anyone what to do this ? Yes, give offerings to support your church, give 10% or 1%, or 50% or whatever, but the money is a Free Will offering and not a tithe. The old law of giving 10 % of your increase (the tithe) of crops and animals was Holy in the Old Testament as it was required by law by God's laws that God gave to mankind, and yes that tithe of the old testament was Holy, however, there is no place in the Bible that states to give 10% of your monthly income of money in the Bible at all either in the Old Testament or New Testament, and that is the error that people are being taught by some tithing ministers that money is to be given for tithing. A Bible College Professor in Florida once wrote a document about tithing, in such document he states that giving the 10% tithe in the Bible was and has always been regarding only edible things and not giving money for tithing and that there is no place in the Bible that states that money is to be given for tithing. There are many other ministers that also preach that the tithe was always edible things according to God's law of what to give for tithing and not money. I have even heard a Jewish Rabbi lecture that the Jewish tithe from the old testament was always edible things from the land or animals, I can not think of anyone that would know more about the old laws of the old testament about tithing then a Rabbi, further the Rabbi stated that the act of giving money for tithing is something that only some Christian ministers have come up with to get money from people and that to give money for tithing is not Biblical according to the old testament. Yes, people in the old testament sometimes gave offerings also of money or gold, etc., but the things given were given as free offerings.
Well said! But please back some of your points with quotations to confirm what you said
@@kennethwalker6434 it's actually written in the Bible... everything said (above) I nodded to, because I wanted to look at tithing a bit closer.. and it seems these modernistic churches that don't preach the Gospel rather just chant and sing song's are using scripture as a play to get money from Christians who possibly don't understand the Bible because they're not being taught it in church or they can't be bothered with picking the living word of God up and reading it for themselves..
I was watching a service only a few hours ago, an invite sent via Facebook - I straight away detected false doctrine... because I'm in the WORD everyday, because I know the lack of knowledge will destroy those who hang off every word a pastor would say..rather than to read it for themselves (I say again)
God bless
Remember that they excange their tithing in forms of money and gave it to the priests..its not a sin if you tithe...amen
Edward Faasoa
Your statement "Remember that they excange their tithing in forms of money and gave it to the priests." is incorrect. Farmers and ranchers that had so much to tithe that they could not carry it to Jerusalem for the 3 feasts were allowed to convert the tithes to silver and when they arrived in Jerusalem they were required to exchange the silver for any food they wanted and then eat the food. This particular tithe was not given to the priests. The people were to 'consume the food joyfully'.
You said "it's not a sin if you tithe". I never said it was a sin. What I have repeatedly stated is that we are guided by the New Covenant and that it is impossible for believers to tithe according to the scriptures. Sure you can give 10% if you want but none of us can tithe since 1) we don't live in the promised land (food grown outside of the promised land was considered unfit for worship), 2) there are no priests that serve in support of the tabernacle (OT priests had to be descendants of Moses brother Aaron) 3) money was never given as a tithe. A tithe was always food.
Brother George
In that case we were cursed anyway because we don't keep any of Mosaic.
That is why we are saved by his blood, and not by keeping law. Jesus freed us from them. His blessings are ours because we believe in him. 😊
Christians are not understanding that the Old Testament was written and given to us for an ensample or for our example of GOD and how HE dealt with HIS chosen people (& Israel, the nation) HE selected for HIMSELF 🙏🏽!!! Anything coming out of and from the Old Testament was under/by/cometh/came by way of the law(s) and the command, and the commandment(s) of GOD !!!
This is my opinions tithing it's up to us to give to God he just want to see how ours heart is everything belong to him !
Daniel Smith, I think you are saying that you will still tithe to your church. It is impossible for you to tithe according to the scriptures. Most people that give 10% call it tithing which, as I have already demonstrated, is incorrect. The main point is that giving to your church does not guarantee God's blessings to you. Want to bless God for certain? Then you yourself give directly to the poor and then you will have treasure in heaven. Matt 19:20 - 21
Brother Greene
He gave a higher commandment to love others as he has loved us. How do you answer the angle that tithing predates the Mosaic Covenant? Thanks for your teaching.
Lakeva, Lessons 112 and 113 in this series th-cam.com/play/PLM665s4yDYnaIG8s7V8dOSB05KKGlPSBN.html will answer that question completely. If not, please let me know.
Brother George
love this.
Todd Anderson,
Praise God that we are free from the Law.
Brother George
(Part 2 of 4)
Sometimes I hear ministers say things to people to try to get them to give money as what they call a “seed offering” as they tell the people to get something in return from God. On one such incident I heard on TV on Feb.10, 2019, the minister was telling the people that if they gave by faith they may receive 1000 times more back by a miracle by God , or they may be healed or receive some other type of miracle. The minister was telling a story about a person that was an illegal that paid thousands of dollars for legal fees to get a green card but was being told by the government they still would not get a green card, but when the person gave $1000 by faith the illegal person received the green card in the mail, thus the minister seems to be telling illegal people to give $1000 by faith to possibly receive your green card as an example of a miracle from God for giving $1000. The minister asked people viewing to call and give $1000 by faith, and on the bottom of the screen they placed some names of people and where they lived that apparently were giving $1000. The very odd thing at the end of this program was when on the TV screen the words appeared as a disclaimer that the ministry did not guarantee that people giving $1000 would receive any miracles at all. So the minister tells people to give $1000 in faith to receive a miracle, but they actually may not receive a miracle from God. Thus it appears the minister tells people that by faith if they give $1000 they can get a miracle from God because God promises the miracles, but that God may not give them miracles, and therefore the minister actually says in reality that God is a liar by the minister it seems to me in my opinion, however God is not a liar, the way the Bible is twisted and used by some ministers to get money is what is false and evil it seems to me !
The new testament tells us we are to give FREE WILL OFFERINGS, so if a person gives 5% or 10% or 50% or 100% of their monetary income that money is a FREE WILL OFFERING and not a tithe even if 10% of the money was given. I have asked a few tithing preaching ministers as well as some non tithing ministers have also asked where in the Bible it states to give money for tithing in any part of the Bible and no tithing minister has been able to show this any where in the old or new testament. And that is why it appears some people that may have read part of the Bible have not read the whole Bible it seems.
The Bible does state in it in the old testament that God commanded that edible things be given for tithing. Additionally in the Bible in the old testament it states that God commanded that money not to be given for tithing. The Bible never shows any place in it that God changed to want money for tithing ! God gives the commandment not to give money for tithing in the Bible, but some men that call themselves ministers tell people to disobey God's commandment and give money for tithing ! Is the Bible the truthful word of God or are the words of some men that call themselves ministers the truthful word of God that is what everyone needs to question for themselves, do they believe what is written in the Bible or do they believe the word of some men ? Do you obey God and not give money for tithing, or do you disobey God because some ministers tell you to ? The law was disannulled by God in the new testament, Jesus fulfilled the law, with Jesus as the new priesthood the law was changed, all this is stated in the Bible.
There is a video on TH-cam where a minister asks for lots of money to be given on TV, he also said on the show that Satan gave him the message, and then says that he really should not have said that.
I got in trouble at my previous Church when I said this.
One of the leaders even came to talk to me at my work place.
Sive, I am hoping that you demonstrated the ability to stand up for what you believed and not be intimidated by religious leaders. For me, that pastor seems to believe that he can do whatever he wants like coming to you on your job. That's just crazy!! Hopefully you can truthfully say that you didn't give in to his bullying.
Brother George
@@nomoretithing_guy Brother George, thankfully I told them that their teaching didn't line up with The Bible. They were upset with me for sharing the truth about tithing on Facebook. I had a meeting with them and left that Church because of quite a few bad teachings. God blessed me with the courage to stand up for what is true and I did...
Thank you.
Sive, Praise God!! I am really pleased to here what happened. Your action will encourage others to stand up for what they know to be the truth too.
Brother George
(Part 4 of 4) The many verses I have written show that: 1. God found the law as stated in the Bible to be weak and unprofitable as shown in scripture. 2. God disannulled the law as shown in scripture (thus it was the ending the giving of edible tithes). 3. I have been accused of saying that tithes were never given in the Bible, but I have never said that tithes of edible things were not given under the law before, but I do say that money was not to be given for tithing based on scripture that I have shown. So the person that said that I said tithes were never given in the Bible has stated a complete lie against me. 4. The many scriptures I have shown show that the law was changed, the law was disannulled, Jesus fulfilled the law for us, by the priesthood being changed the laws were changed, etc.
I know tithing thinking people will not accept any of these things from the Bible scriptures and they will continue to say they practice the old laws of tithing except they change God's word of giving only edible things to now the giving of money even though the Bible says not to give money and the Bible also says not to change God's word !
I have even heard now that a tithing thinking person say that the Jewish people do not understand the old testament about tithing, WOW ! I have heard some tithing ministers say at different times: that if you do not tithe do not come to their church because the seats are only for tithing people, or if you do not tithe you will die, or if you do not tithe you will have a divorce, or if you do not tithe the minister would like to kill you, I heard one minister say that he was looking for some place in the Bible that would say he could kill people that said bad things about him, or say that if you do not tithe you will lose your job, or I have seen a church I visited that the tithing people received special prayer from the minister while the other people did not, etc., does this look like a love for money ? Of course on the other hand I have heard a tithing minister say if you gave him $4,000 he will tell God to let you and your whole family into heaven (he preaches buying salvation it seems), or when you tithe you will receive 100 times back that from God (apparently he preaches God drops money from Heaven ?), or give tithes and you will get rich (yes I have seen a few people that gave 10% of their money claim to get rich with their work but would they have gotten rich any way ? , but on the other hand I have seen so many people tithe and be so poor, for instance an old retired couple that was asked to speak in church about their giving tithes and they said they gave tithes all their lives and were able to have enough money left over to buy and eat macaroni and cheese and other cheap foods), or a minister that kept telling people to give tithes and they would get rich was confronted by the people telling him they were not getting rich and he told them they just had to keep believing and giving tithes to get rich (some one did get rich eventually as I saw when that minister said he had enough money now that he was retiring from the ministry and buying a bunch of land and have a resort), anyway it always seems like they tell people to give the money and they will get rich or that you are robbing from God sometimes.
A person can't tithe in the way the law says anyway because there is no temple or preist or system of worship worship like there at that time. So they have made up a tithe system and and told them if they pay this God would prosper them. If you want to someone to think they will prosper tell them to money tithe. A greedy person will tithe as much as they can to get as rich as they can. 😊
Hi Pastor I have a question. I’m digesting all of this from you and others who teach against tithing. Can you please explain Heb 7:8- “And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.”
Ok I get that Abram gave the tithe once. But is this verse saying Jesus received the tithe from the Israelites? Please advise thank you!
Tiffany, thanks for writing. It's not saying that. It's can be somewhat awkward to explain but I found this link that, to me, does a very good job explaining it.
www.bibleref.com/Hebrews/7/Hebrews-7-8.html
Brother George
George Green, pls what do you say? about people who think "because we are by faith children of Abraham" , we have to pay the form of tithe that Abraham paid as mentioned in the the Heb. 7:4,8. That Christian must continue it regularly. I think it is not so.
Likitan Toks
I certainly agree with you. Yes, Abraham did pay a tithe just one time and it was on the spoils of war. He and his nephew Lot were already rich and they did not get rich by tithing. They got rich simply because God promised to bless them. As spiritual children of Abraham, we are also in line for God's blessings and we also don't have to tithe in order to be blessed. Please understand that it is not God's will for every Christian to be loaded with money but instead for us to be like Abraham and BE a blessing. I have not heard anyone teach that except for myself. I produced a 5 part video lesson 'How to BE a blessing'. It is available here th-cam.com/play/PLM665s4yDYnazz1flFFEWJGigBxXB-MZk.html Unfortunately as I look back on my teaching I can say that it was much too long and I strayed off topic a few times.
Brother George
George Green what about keeping the commandments ??
where are the documents please, thanks for the video
Michelle,
Jesus told us which commandments were important. It is recorded in Matt 22:34 - 40. His short list is more important than the 10 commandments since the two he directed us to are the foundation for ALL the laws.
I just added a new location to get the lists. Links to them are available on TH-cam when you select the first video of this series which is 105 - The Truth About Tithing .
@@nomoretithing_guy how come there isnt a direct quote in the old testament of what jesus said referring to the heart soul and mind in matthew 22:37 also how are those commandments in matthew a foundation for the sabbath commandment
LaMetrius Jackson
Deut 6:5 is part of where Jesus was quoting. True the word 'mind' is not in that verse but if you continue reading to Deut 6:6-12 it clearly implies that God was to be on the 'mind' of his chosen people all the time.
I can't add anything to what Jesus said about those two laws being the foundation for all the laws. For me you have to accept it or reject it. For some reason you have chosen to make the sabbath laws separate. I am aware that a lot of well meaning people still try to hold onto some of the Sabbath day laws. My understanding comes from this
James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
So if you decide to try to obey SOME parts of the Old Covenant but not all of the approximate 612 laws that might pertain to you you are guilty of being a lawbreaker. I choose to accept the grace offered believers that is part of the New Covenant God promised to have with believers in Jeremiah 31:31- 34
Brother George
@@lametriusjackson3628 The two commandments are the foundation of the Sabbath because in this new covenant our Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath, we rest in Him.
I have realized we may have the same understanding just may need to follow more closely. However, I still see that This tithing thing begins way back with Abraham and that was not a law. Also first fruit begins way back with Cain And Abel still not as a law. And tithes are for the Levites for food as the bible says "Leave a lone the purification and sanctification issues which are not necessary anymore" Wherewith there're also new testament ministers/Levites. So according to Abraham, Cain and Abel and the very reason why we have to tithe. I think tithe is not optional but essential...I think we have to send some mails about this issue to understand each other better.
Shakab Clapton
Based on your comment here I can say for sure that we do not have the same understanding about tithing. Also you stated here that you think the tithe is essential so clearly our beliefs do not have much in common. I have already presented both in this series and the much shorter 3 part 'No More Tithing' series that starts at lesson 147 all that I believe about tithing. This may sound harsh but I am in no way open to modifying or changing my beliefs about tithing. Certainly there are minor things in my belief about tithing that may need modification and I would be open to considering changing those items but NOT the big issue, that is 'are Christians required to tithe'. My answer is the same - Absolutely not.
New testament ministers are not Levites. A Levite must be a descendant of Moses brother Aaron. Certainly there are people that do have Aaron's blood in them but I do not believe it is every minister or preacher. Also I would doubt anyone that makes a public claim saying they are in order to collect a form of tithes. I call it 'form of tithes' since all tithes were always food and never money.
Everyone has a choice to believe what they choose. I've noted Paul's words that we all know in parts. If one chooses to stick to what they think they know, I respect them. But I would also try to let you know from scriptures that there're new covenants levites don't just stick to what you think you know before digging into other inspirations. That makes it self-will. Check the promise for new levites and priests Isaiah 66:18-21...Paul also mentions we're able ministers of the new covenant 2 Corinthians 3:6 and 1 peter 2:5 we're built as a spiritual house a royal priesthood. Don't be rigid to what you've chosen to believe. The bible is entirely a spiritual book and believe me, there's much more you may not know...That's why I pointed out to speak in mails not comments. It's not a battle its a discussion. I understand your idea but it's not entirely true. Yet it has so much theological knowledge. Sometimes scriptures are not logical just like we see them...they are spiritual. If we don't search deeper and just take everything so casually, we error. Tithe is simply an organized way of giving to God. You can choose your way but God is a God of order. I believe order is very important in giving. We're free from the law but not free from having principles. Abraham worked by principle not law, so is Cain and Abel. Who gave the law to Abraham or Cain and Abel? If anyone else would be free from tithe, Abraham would not be free because he wasn't under the law, so are the two sons of Adam. Just pick this simple logic... Sometimes when they hurt us we choose to believe what we want to believe. But you may need to revise many things too my brother. If you take away or do away with the old shirt because you bought a new one, does it mean you don't need to wear clothes anymore. It's just a reflection of the old. Does not mean it's the old one. Principle is what I am talking about "Order" Jesus came in the reflection of Melchizedek. The new Testament giving is just reflection of the old. There must be order...Tithe is a decent way of giving to God. A responsible self disciplined way... Believe it or not, Abraham, Cain and Abel had the same idea like this when they offered to God. Jesus abolished the law and yet introduced a new way of doing things, and some are still a reflection of what was began earlier like love etc. I have watched much of what your idea is about tithe...in much of your lessons. And I can tell that I can still point out a lot of errors and misconception. You're escape the point about Abraham and Cain and Abel's offering. Was it a law? Why do you want to stick too much to what you want to believe? From a pure heart I still think I would follow a right order of giving under self discipline and no better way than tithe...The bible is full of principles. If giving tithe can be a good principle why should I not tithe？You said everyone was free who wasn't a farmer or gardener! Really? Much to revise. You may find much you may need to correct.
Shakab Clapton
I have very little more to say. To me it is clear that all Israelites were NOT required to tithe. It was just farmers who either raised food or animals and of those who raised animals it was only those that raised 10 or more. That comes from Leviticus 27:30-34. Pay particular attention to verse 34. It wasn't a great principle then. It was a requirement for those who raised food.
Brother George
Global Aroma Network It has nothing to do with a choice to believe what you want to believe. Its has to do with what it REALLY says. And tithing is NOT a requirement for Christians. Its that simplez.
There is nothing in the Bible saying that Tithe is a requirement for Christians. Giving IS a requirement but not some fixed percentage. Christians are told to give according to their ability.
did you post a followup to the moral, civil, and ceremonial law yet???
Jamel
Thanks for asking since others are probably wondering the same. I have not posted a followup and have no current plans to do so. I'm fairly certain I indicated that I may do something like that but my plans have changed.
Brother George
Our church has a membership fee a tithing and love offering a pastor's love offering of $300 per year yada yada yada
(Part 3 of 4) If you have read the Bible then you should be knowledgeable that there is no place in any part of the Bible that says money was to be given for tithing, just try and look it up yourself and you will see it can not be found. You ask for some verses in the new testament , please read Hebrews, Chapter 7, verse 5 "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" and verse 11 "If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and be called after the order of Aaron ?" and verse 12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." verse 18 and 19 where it is written "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof." "For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God", and 26 and 27, "For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens." "Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself." Or, Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteous to every one that believeth." and Matthew 5 verse 17, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Romans 6 verse 14 "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace." Romans 7 verse 6 "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter." Romans 10 verse 4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believth." 2nd Corinthians verse 20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept." and 23 "But every man in his own order Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Also, Galations Chapter 3, verses 10 to 14, "10. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessings of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."
Read Leviticus Chapter 27, and there is a lot to read about the tithing commandment God gave to Moses that discusses the many various instances about the tithing law and how the law pertained to many different things !
In Deuteronomy Chapter 14 verses 24-29 is where God instructs people what to give for tithing, and also God instructs not to bring any money for tithing,
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. 28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
If I got the money I don't mind it but I'm not giving my rent money to a liar
Throughout bible God said dont oppress the poor . In any Church there are always poor people who simply cant afford to give 10% of income .
Tithing is mandatory like paying tax is oppression
Would God contradict Himself dont oppress the poor then demand tithing which is oppressing the poor , it makes no sense .
I think above 95% of pastors demand tithing as they earns from tithing having no faith to depend on offering alone .
But teaching tithing is a must is a lie
We certainly agree about this. You put it plain and simple "requiring tithing is oppressing the poor".
PTL
if we don't give tirhs in the church specially in hongkong the most expensive city to rent a place for church people to gathering, how our pastors pay the rent if no tithes we have no own buildings to gather we only rent a place about 8000 Us dallors
pastorajean omli,
First you have to decide if you are going to follow the handling of money the way it is demonstrated in the New Testament or follow the way of many, many very large Christian churches here in America and around the world. Right now it seems you are following the way of the big "successful" Christian churches.
As I read the examples of the church in the New Testament I don't see at any time a push by church leaders to get people to tithe in order to build or maintain church buildings.
Following is a quote from author Frank Viola "In our book, Pagan Christianity, George Barna and I wrote an entire chapter on the history of tithing from the Old Testament era, through the New Testament, and onward into church history.
What we establish will shock most Christians.
Namely, Christians didn’t begin the practice of tithing until hundreds of years after the death of the apostles."
I realize I am not directly answering your question and I understand you have to collect a lot of money to properly service property but is the building really necessary to build the church? You have to answer that for yourself.
Brother George
meet in homes!! Apostle Paul said: owe no man anything, except to love one another!! why put pressure on poor people to Tithe?
I think we must giving a thithes let way back to abraham. He was under the law but voluntarily gave a 10% thithes to melquiesedec
Edgardo
I take 2 lessons to teach about Abraham's tithe. The first is this th-cam.com/video/Kafeq8PVkik/w-d-xo.html and the second is this th-cam.com/video/aaAHDJYFGQI/w-d-xo.html
The bottom line is that Abraham was free to do what he wanted with the spoils of war and he chose to give a tithe to Melchizedek. He kept nothing for himself since the balance of the spoils went to either the king or back to the people it was stolen from.
Tithing was composed of agricultural products, not wages. Abraham voluntarily tithed of his spoils but nowhere in scripture are we instructed to do the same thing. Samson killed 10,000 people with the jawbone of an ass but nowhere are we instructed to do the same. We must be wise enough to sort out to whom instructions are given and the optional things people did without an instruction. We can all give gifts.
Edgardo, Abraham was 430 years before the law was given. Read the scriptures before you comment.
So, That being said, why does Col. 2:13 State That those things, were nailed to the "Cross" when clearly YAHUSHUA was hung on a tree???
Treasure Brown
The short story is that there are actually three Greek words used. They are cross, tree, and wood. I can't to a better job of explaining than what you will find with this link carm.org/jesus-die-on-cross-or-tree
I found it very helpful.
George Greene ok Thank you.. You have been very helpful😀...
col 2:13 doesnt say that
...part of what you referenced is in gal 3:13 i dont know where the other part is
LaMetrius Jackson
You are correct. The verse in question is actually Col 2:14-15.