Harry's love for his father clouded his judgement. He'd rather side with the idea that he was loved by a monster than to forgive his friend (until the end of course). I also like to think Bernard was like a second father and him telling the truth verbally for the first time was the wake-up call and that Bernard was his aunt may in a sense.
Spider-Man 3 should've just been a story about forgiveness and there should've just been Sandman. They could've saved Venom for a Spider-Man 4 and could possibly explore Peter's inner demons through the Venom symbiote. This could be a story about not letting our emotions get the better of us. I've always thought that Spider-Man is ultimately a story about responsibility. Spider-Man 1 was about responsibility to others, Spider-Man 2 was about responsibility to ourselves and finding our work/life balance and Spider-Man 3 is about the responsibility to forgive.
@@crashbash8549 idk following the theme of forgiveness that slips in well, i think sam could have juggled both villains well, after venom got added against his wishes it just fell apart
@@gabrielchristian2727 honestly I think that venom is the perfect addition to show what someone to be if they don’t forgive people for anything that would happen to them
Elfman opted not to return for Spiderman 3 having had a bad experience working with him on 2. Seemingly they've since patched things up though since they worked together for Doctor Strange 2
This is the first time I’ve heard of this tbh. I wouldn’t have noticed, would’ve thought that Danny was just too busy with other projects at the time. Christopher young did a banger job on the score of Spider-Man 3 tbh
Honestly, I disagree about the films not having deliberately goofy and hokey scenes, but I also truly believe that those moments of levity are part of the series' charm, especially within the context of an era where superhero movies seemed downright ashamed of their inspirations.
I love this video, but I disagree on a few quick points: 1. The CGI and visuals are pretty strong for a 2007 movie, which is more than I can say about murky and poorly rendered visuals in today’s Marvel/DC films with rushed production. 2. Tobey Maguire was and still *_IS_* Spider-Man! I know for a fact that if RDJr was replaced by another actor in the role of Iron Man, you best believe there’d be a shit ton of backlash. Same thing goes to Chris Evans as Captain America, Ryan Reynolds’s Deadpool, Henry Cavill’s Superman, or J.K Simmons’ J. Jonah Jameson. I kinda dig Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man more than the one from the MCU, but Tobey Maguire will always be my #1 Spider-Man. He just really stands out like a sore thumb. I’d honestly rather have corny and cheesy films like the Raimi Spidey trilogy than boring, cliche and formulaic like the MCU. That’s for damn sure Anyways bro, I love your content!
Honestly bro, I love this film and had the two movies on DVD and watched them so many times as a kid, it was so beautiful, even with it's flaws, but I still enjoy the trilogy, even tho 3 is very peculiar....
This review was great. But around 39:30, you ruined it by going on a Mary Jane apology tour. The writers did a terrible job with her character arc. It doesn't need all of this extra defending.
@@VvaalleeF It doesn't need any comment. But when you make a video and you leave a comments section open, surprise, you get comments. Not all of them will be a full praise of the content. Circle of life.
@@x-man9473 you can have opinions and write comments but your take isn’t the undeniable truth. Think what you want to think but don’t say it like you have the truth in your pocket, it’s a really arrogant thing to do.
I know this is just a nip pick, but spiderman doesn’t swing off the Empire State Building at the end of the first spiderman movie, you can see the Chrysler and Empire State in the back ground before he swings to the screen
In reality, MJ was always supposed to be the girl that got away. Peter wouldve been better off with Ursula or Gwen, but he never really put in the work to be a good friend or partner. His problem was not treating MJ as a 3 dimensional person with trauma (she gets kidnapped 4 times, almost SA'd, dropped from heights, not to mention her abusive dad and absent mom) insecurities, dreams and red flags, but as a sort of trophy. I dont like how the writers turned his character from being an honoroable teenager from the first film to a sniveling, whiny, inconsistent man child in the 2nd and third. As a result, MJ and Peter actually have no chemistry after the 1st film and they both have better chemistry with other people.
i am here to put my 2 cents here on how to make spider-man 3 and by extention the spiderman trilogy better. ok so to make spiderman 3 good id need to make some changes to spiderman 2, i would like gwen stacy to be introduced there as his partner in studies and as the niece of dikovitch, id like her to be his new love intrest and him to realise that they both have more in common than him and mj, because the theme of the movies is to let go of your dreams and desires. id like for mj to go with the wedding, maybe initially to date jameson because she wants to make peter jealous but then she bonds with him after an interaction with jameson and peter where jameson really does love her and peter wants whats best for her tells her how to get to her since he is her best pal. maybe gwen will eventually know of his identity in some way or another but peter will feel safer with her as his love intrest than mj. now onto spiderman 3, it will start with a time jump, peter's life is better, he is doing well as spiderman, he is doing well in uni with gwen, his relationship with gwen had deepend more and more and he is still in contact with mj and jameson and in very good terms with them. i would like there to still be a symbiot and eddy brock but no venom, the movie's theme would be how to deal with vengence, harry will become green goblin but he will be a lot more sadistic like his father to avenge him proper, he will try to make his life a torment and hire a bunch of people to mess with him, including sandman, shocker, rhino, scorpion and mysterio, all enemies that had been arrested by spiderman and all have their own intrest, but are only there to fight him, so yes im going for more or less a sinister six movie. so i think how spiderman got the symbiot in the animated series should be good, but this time harry is trying to kill jameson as he goes back to earth on a space shuttle or somth as they carry a symbiot sample from mars or somthing, and thats how it get attached to peter. but ultimately how the 3rd act would end is that peter will finally dawn the black suit and it will look more than just the regular one but black and goes to save gwen stacy from harry, and harry kills her afterwards and call themselves "equals", afterwards peter either kills harry or harry kills himself trying to kill peter and it ends on that note more or less. havent really thought about spiderman 4 but somewhere in there peter discard of the symbiot and black cat and venom will be there somehow
I Liked The Black suit From 3 but Only because it Was noustlagic For The 90s animated Series (symboit story) but still its a problem film For my Brain still its Ok For what 3 is. Just Watch 3 with No optimism
Nah I prefer Spider Man 2.1 over 2 more raimi equals more fun I don’t get how it ruins the pacing its just 8min then again i am not a movie expert… but i am the target audience soooo… for example the birthday scene where harry apologizes to peter and the scene where j jonah jameson plays around with the suit are a gold
Spider-man 1 Responsibility Spider-man 2 Dreams and Sacrifice Spider-man 3 Forgivness These Movies Made my Childhood and teach very good life lessons however it would have been better that Spider-Man 4 never happen it would have been Trash to be honest
This movies, same as the Batman ones, are live action cartoons made for kids and teenagers. Being an adult and trying to criticize and/or defend them is the dumbest thing ever.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, Sam himself has not shied away from expressing the deeper meanings in the movies so obviously there are layers to be uncovered. Open your mind a little
@@daguv2137 you could say the same thing about Sesame St or Power Rangers. But still, that doesn't take away the fact that those are meant for kids and teens.
I love when horror directors make superhero movies
And when horror comic artists make superhero comics.
@ThiagoSWyse 😁
If only multiverse of madness wasnt a completely garbage mess😩
@@Cattledecap4lifeIt wasn't but to each their own
Frrrr venom 2 should’ve have kept its first director
RIP Laura Ziskin and Alvin Sargent
Spider-Man was nothing without them
“I try to avoid words like overrated because it’s overrated to who?”
This was an eye opener, gonna start trying to adopt this.
I could watch your mascot character breakdance on a loop for eternity. Favorite intro on youtube.
The first movie was the first movie to make ne cry
The ending monologue, Danny Elfman's score, the emotional depth
Harry's love for his father clouded his judgement. He'd rather side with the idea that he was loved by a monster than to forgive his friend (until the end of course). I also like to think Bernard was like a second father and him telling the truth verbally for the first time was the wake-up call and that Bernard was his aunt may in a sense.
The greatest superhero movie trilogy of all time! 🐐
Loving that shot at Doug walker lmao
Not arguing that it wasn't a conscious decision by Raimi but they are really corny and campy, you can't deny that.
@@kabsageigj8941 no no they are 100 percent camp and that’s part of what’s alluring. I just can’t help but appreciate a good shot at Doug walker lmao
@@odalebeckhamjr.3417 lol fair enough.
@@kabsageigj8941they are lighthearted, sincere… what is corny to me is the MCU type of humor, not this.
I still blame AVI ARAD for destroying Sam Raimi's passion with SPIDER-MAN 3
Spider-Man 3 should've just been a story about forgiveness and there should've just been Sandman.
They could've saved Venom for a Spider-Man 4 and could possibly explore Peter's inner demons through the Venom symbiote. This could be a story about not letting our emotions get the better of us.
I've always thought that Spider-Man is ultimately a story about responsibility. Spider-Man 1 was about responsibility to others, Spider-Man 2 was about responsibility to ourselves and finding our work/life balance and Spider-Man 3 is about the responsibility to forgive.
@@twistedyogertDon't forget The new goblin, spiderman 2 built him up for the next film so it wouldn't make sense if it was just sandman
Facts
@@crashbash8549 idk following the theme of forgiveness that slips in well, i think sam could have juggled both villains well, after venom got added against his wishes it just fell apart
@@gabrielchristian2727 honestly I think that venom is the perfect addition to show what someone to be if they don’t forgive people for anything that would happen to them
8:02 as a American, I say that it’s still a accurate representation of the USA. I think you’re going to be fine dude 😅
Elfman opted not to return for Spiderman 3 having had a bad experience working with him on 2. Seemingly they've since patched things up though since they worked together for Doctor Strange 2
This is the first time I’ve heard of this tbh. I wouldn’t have noticed, would’ve thought that Danny was just too busy with other projects at the time. Christopher young did a banger job on the score of Spider-Man 3 tbh
Honestly, I disagree about the films not having deliberately goofy and hokey scenes, but I also truly believe that those moments of levity are part of the series' charm, especially within the context of an era where superhero movies seemed downright ashamed of their inspirations.
Kinda nuts Ken Penders later leaked on Twitter the practical Vulture wings they built for the movie.
Spider-Man can be better without Disney
5:50 HARRY'S A GIRL! LOL 😂
I love this video, but I disagree on a few quick points:
1. The CGI and visuals are pretty strong for a 2007 movie, which is more than I can say about murky and poorly rendered visuals in today’s Marvel/DC films with rushed production.
2. Tobey Maguire was and still *_IS_* Spider-Man! I know for a fact that if RDJr was replaced by another actor in the role of Iron Man, you best believe there’d be a shit ton of backlash. Same thing goes to Chris Evans as Captain America, Ryan Reynolds’s Deadpool, Henry Cavill’s Superman, or J.K Simmons’ J. Jonah Jameson. I kinda dig Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man more than the one from the MCU, but Tobey Maguire will always be my #1 Spider-Man. He just really stands out like a sore thumb. I’d honestly rather have corny and cheesy films like the Raimi Spidey trilogy than boring, cliche and formulaic like the MCU. That’s for damn sure
Anyways bro, I love your content!
Sam Raimi Said Spider-Man 4 Is Still Happening #MakeRaimiSpiderMan4
#AviAradOut
No
Honestly bro, I love this film and had the two movies on DVD and watched them so many times as a kid, it was so beautiful, even with it's flaws, but I still enjoy the trilogy, even tho 3 is very peculiar....
7:55 - It doesnt get more British than a police officer without a gun meant to stop thugs with knives from stabbing people in Birmingham.
my computer was automatically playing videos and i looked when it was at 43 mins. You're welcome
This review was great. But around 39:30, you ruined it by going on a Mary Jane apology tour. The writers did a terrible job with her character arc. It doesn't need all of this extra defending.
It also doesn’t need your comment, if we have to be honest
@@VvaalleeF It doesn't need any comment. But when you make a video and you leave a comments section open, surprise, you get comments. Not all of them will be a full praise of the content. Circle of life.
@@x-man9473 you can have opinions and write comments but your take isn’t the undeniable truth. Think what you want to think but don’t say it like you have the truth in your pocket, it’s a really arrogant thing to do.
She was alright in spiderman 1 but it was Spiderman 2 when theybflat out butchered her character and continued to do so in 3 alongside peter
That's the reason why #makeraimispiderman4
I know this is just a nip pick, but spiderman doesn’t swing off the Empire State Building at the end of the first spiderman movie, you can see the Chrysler and Empire State in the back ground before he swings to the screen
I feel like a good idea would have been to give Spiderman the black suit in 3 then spider man 4 would be about venom
🕷️🕷️🕷️
I probably would’ve dropped kicked the patriot tbh
what’s the intro song
In reality, MJ was always supposed to be the girl that got away. Peter wouldve been better off with Ursula or Gwen, but he never really put in the work to be a good friend or partner. His problem was not treating MJ as a 3 dimensional person with trauma (she gets kidnapped 4 times, almost SA'd, dropped from heights, not to mention her abusive dad and absent mom) insecurities, dreams and red flags, but as a sort of trophy. I dont like how the writers turned his character from being an honoroable teenager from the first film to a sniveling, whiny, inconsistent man child in the 2nd and third. As a result, MJ and Peter actually have no chemistry after the 1st film and they both have better chemistry with other people.
i am here to put my 2 cents here on how to make spider-man 3 and by extention the spiderman trilogy better. ok so to make spiderman 3 good id need to make some changes to spiderman 2, i would like gwen stacy to be introduced there as his partner in studies and as the niece of dikovitch, id like her to be his new love intrest and him to realise that they both have more in common than him and mj, because the theme of the movies is to let go of your dreams and desires. id like for mj to go with the wedding, maybe initially to date jameson because she wants to make peter jealous but then she bonds with him after an interaction with jameson and peter where jameson really does love her and peter wants whats best for her tells her how to get to her since he is her best pal. maybe gwen will eventually know of his identity in some way or another but peter will feel safer with her as his love intrest than mj.
now onto spiderman 3, it will start with a time jump, peter's life is better, he is doing well as spiderman, he is doing well in uni with gwen, his relationship with gwen had deepend more and more and he is still in contact with mj and jameson and in very good terms with them. i would like there to still be a symbiot and eddy brock but no venom, the movie's theme would be how to deal with vengence, harry will become green goblin but he will be a lot more sadistic like his father to avenge him proper, he will try to make his life a torment and hire a bunch of people to mess with him, including sandman, shocker, rhino, scorpion and mysterio, all enemies that had been arrested by spiderman and all have their own intrest, but are only there to fight him, so yes im going for more or less a sinister six movie. so i think how spiderman got the symbiot in the animated series should be good, but this time harry is trying to kill jameson as he goes back to earth on a space shuttle or somth as they carry a symbiot sample from mars or somthing, and thats how it get attached to peter. but ultimately how the 3rd act would end is that peter will finally dawn the black suit and it will look more than just the regular one but black and goes to save gwen stacy from harry, and harry kills her afterwards and call themselves "equals", afterwards peter either kills harry or harry kills himself trying to kill peter and it ends on that note more or less.
havent really thought about spiderman 4 but somewhere in there peter discard of the symbiot and black cat and venom will be there somehow
David Koepp wanted Gwen (and her death) to be in SM2, but his idea wasn't accepted, so he left.
15:57💀
rain metaphor?
No clue
I Liked The Black suit From 3 but Only because it Was noustlagic For The 90s animated Series (symboit story) but still its a problem film For my Brain still its Ok For what 3 is. Just Watch 3 with No optimism
Nah I prefer Spider Man 2.1 over 2 more raimi equals more fun I don’t get how it ruins the pacing its just 8min then again i am not a movie expert… but i am the target audience soooo… for example the birthday scene where harry apologizes to peter and the scene where j jonah jameson plays around with the suit are a gold
Spider-man 1 Responsibility
Spider-man 2 Dreams and Sacrifice
Spider-man 3 Forgivness
These Movies Made my Childhood and teach very good life lessons however it would have been better that Spider-Man 4 never happen it would have been Trash to be honest
Cap
I don’t know maybe Spider-Man 4 would’ve been great. It really would’ve been about moving on.
Spider-Man 4 was the greatest superhero film never made
@@devinjabairemoss Have you even seen the script for Spider-man 4 It talks about Peter Cheating on MJ that would not make sense
@@legoben98productions that would be good that it should be let go of your mistakes you did in the past but instead we got peter cheating on MJ
This movies, same as the Batman ones, are live action cartoons made for kids and teenagers. Being an adult and trying to criticize and/or defend them is the dumbest thing ever.
You are wrong. They were made for everyone to enjoy
And people defend the movies because there actually good
You are entitled to your opinion. However, Sam himself has not shied away from expressing the deeper meanings in the movies so obviously there are layers to be uncovered. Open your mind a little
@@daguv2137 you could say the same thing about Sesame St or Power Rangers. But still, that doesn't take away the fact that those are meant for kids and teens.
@@marcozuleta133 Do you even see what you type? And what data and/or facts have you used to make your 'opinion'? You're moronic through and through.