Happy to talk to you about this era, you covered a few of the games we developed.. (lemmings, mt3d, maryo Bros).. we had a lot of games - we also had our own Gameboy emulator and you may be interested in the demo contest we did for the palm m505!!
I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know a method to get back into an Instagram account?? I somehow lost the login password. I love any tricks you can give me!
@Trent Kamden thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and Im in the hacking process atm. I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@@napalmkitty6686 Not if you're gonna pump out 30 minutes of high quality content. If you're a vlogger or something, sure, but Frame's content takes more time than just saying "Hey guys! Today I ate soup and my cat fell down, ha!"
3:38 yeah those specifications are neat and all but I wanna know more about Where To Eat Ass, and why CNET may get a commission from asses I have eaten once found
My favourite PalmOS game was "Lock & Key", a maze game with a sort of strategy puzzle element to it. It was always great when you finally got your stats high enough to fight any enemy without losing health, and had free run to go anywhere. I keep thinking about writing a clone...
Stuff like this gets me all into wanting to get into doing Back Port stuff again. Nothing is more satisfying, than taking an older piece of hardware... and having it do things that the piece of hardware has no business ever doing.
PalmOS 5 was my childhood, between the Tungsten T3, a couple Treo phones, Palm Centro, and now a Palm TX I found cheaply from eBay but rarely use anymore. I actually had a Mappy PRC that actually felt like a fully-featured emulation of the Arcade/MAME version, with even mappy-specific settings. It was the one game I had that really took over all hardware buttons, meaning I had to re-insert a SD Card to exit get back to home (or alt, then home on a Treo). I think it was a Trial, one that (I think) triggers a popup after the first bonus round. I think I also recall somehow getting hold of the full version.
Warfare Incorporated is an amazing game for palm 4. As far as showing what these devices were actually capable for, I can't think of a better example. The sound on this game also blew me away.
Man this bought back memories! I had a Palm Vx when I was young and it was pretty much my only way to play games for awhile so I downloaded all the free shovelware I could of course. Played a good few of these, asteroids, the ribbon one, pong, etc. Remember being annoyed at all the non free games haha. I actually received mine without the linking cable but fortunately the family laptop had an infrared port, and it is actually possible to synch up files in that manner! I do remember really liking (at the time) these two games that were RPGs. Don't remember the names, but in one of them you were a gladiator that built up status with each battle and the other was more fantasy oriented. Decent games if a bit grind-y. and right when the sparse story seemed to be getting interesting it brought up the registration screen.... My Palm gaming days ended when the battery inexplicably died. That is, until I caught wind of Serious Sam Palm OS of course. Also Kitteh looks fluffy and I wanna pet.
Man, this is crazy, the day this was uploaded, I was at this new game store in town, and they had this weird SEGA Classics collection. I had no idea what it was for, so I asked, and the guy said it was for the Palm OS. I had no idea what that was until I watched this video. The collection was of four Master System games, those being Sonic 1, Shinobi, Super Columns, and Shining Force. So interesting how I had never heard of it until seeing it in person! They were selling it for $100, but I've seen it on eBay for $80. Super interesting!
Yeesh, $100? I know Palm games can get expensive but that's ridiculous. I've seen it for around $40 - $50 on eBay... I think sealed, too. I would have gotten it but it requires Palm 5.0 or above. Not sure why since they're not very demanding titles.
Great video. there was a handheld called the Tapwave Zodiac that came out in 2003 or 2004. It was made by ex Palm employees. Was pretty powerful and got a few games by Activision but that was it.
@FrameRater After Palm OS was abandoned, Astraware released a document containing all the possible registration codes for their games based on a hardware ID. You can use that to register Bzzz.
Race Fever was great on infrared multiplayer! Space War (Star trek battle) and Space Trader (Great RPG with port available on Android) were awesome too. I used to play a lot on my Palm m100, m125 and Zire. Though the Android finally filled the void left by Palm after the end of Palm OS as we know.
Looks like this video focused a lot on arcade games, but there were some good puzzle games and RPGs. Plus Ackwire, a sweet version of the old Sid Sackson Aquire board game.
explotion is not based on the bomber lemming skill, but rather the "nuke" skill, which turns all lemmings into bombers. it serves as both a quick reset in case you fuck up and also to bring the level to a quick end if the goal has already been reached (tipicly to get rid of the blocker lemmings which are basicly disposable brick walls).
Neat video, I actually forgot about palm devices. I remember my dad gave me his old Tungsten E when he got a palm TX and I used to use it to listen to music and various other pda stuff. I didnt have many games on it but I remember I did have a copy of Duke Nukem 3D on it that ran pretty badly, and I had to pay for a program that made a swap file on the SD card because the Tungsten didn't have enough memory to run duke3d without it. I finished duke on the tungsten but wouldn't want to try it again today haha. good times
I just read a short Wikihow article on how to crack Palm OS games with "pilotdis" to get rid of the paywalls. It would be interesting to see more on this. It's a dead platform anyway and won't be hurting any developers.
Actually, Boulder Dash was a game released in 1984 for the Atari 8-bit computers by First Star Software, and is not an arcade release. Just thought you should know.
@@FrameRater Still you should check it out. The graphics are quite good for what it was, it runs on 160x160 @mono up to 640x480@16 bit, and supports pretty much every single Palm device. And it's pretty fun to play with the stylus too.
Agreed, came here to say this. Warfare Inc was by far one of my favorite games on Palm. It also got ports to iOS and Android. No idea about iOS but the Android version is free.
Palm trial apps usually create db in the palm system to mark when you started using the app. deleting those db may prolong your trial of the app. those db's are usually disguised as something common like calendar or datebook db. as long as you're sure which is which, then you won't accidentally delete your important data :)
My dad used to have a Palm, he used it for the things he uses his iPhone now lol. But it's incredible to see apps that began in PalmOS still being used in smartphones to this day. Like Quicken, for example.
Definitely look into getting a Palm that runs OS 5! There's a lot of great stuff you can play on one, even ignoring emulators (though I have to admit that my LifeDrive makes a great Game Boy substitute). Sadly, a lot of games are still hampered by being shareware without a means to register them in 2019. Maybe I'll make that a video project of my own, sometime.
I bought the physical disk of Crimson Fire games way back in high school, and still have it. Want me to dig it up, rip it and send it off to you? They made some great games and the disk has quite a number of extra goodies!
I always wanted a Palm since I was child in the 90's. Finally got a Palm Zaire in high school. I didn't have Internet at home so it was hard to get games. In 2008 I got the Palm Centro. I used it for 8 years but then Telstra shut the 2G network down. I found playing games on the Centro difficult because the action buttons were also the OS menu buttons. This meant that I had to take the battery out to get back to the OS home screen. Many games wouldn't use the inbuilt keyboard, that would make it easy. I think Palm would of survived longer if they had an app store on the Centro and Treo.
Many years ago my family moved to a really tiny town in the Nevada desert. There was a charter school that had been closed down. However, the front door was left unlocked. So of my friend and I went in to see what was there. Right inside the entrance was a storage closet filled with old printers, desktop computers, and laptops. There was also a pair of Palm Tungsten E2s, and being the delinquent 11 year old I was, I decided to steal something. In my infinite wisdom, I decided to grab the PDA, instead of one of the many old laptops. Not my proudest moment, but looking back on it is pretty funny.
I remember my old Palm TX playing a 3d shooter helicopter game, a racing game, but also ported versions of Doom, Duke Nukem and Hexen (the PC versions), and they ran fine. I also had a foldable keyboard, so back in 2006 that was like having a mini pc with you, it was crazy :))
"Why did you abandon me, Mommy? Why? Did I do something wrong, Mommy? Why did you leave me?" I mean... if I am going to have that nightmare, the rest of you might as well also have it.
The XScale Palms could run a snes emulator at full speed. The cheap Palm Zire 72 I had worked well but the more expensive Tungsten models had a bigger screen and were quicker.
Thank you for making this video!! Back when I was a kid before I had a GameBoy or DS, I would play GameBoy games on the LJP emulator on a Palm Pilot. Trying it again years later after playing the games on a real GameBoy, I now notice that the games didn’t run PERFECTLY, but they still ran pretty well on my model!
Also would like to mention!! My dad actually messaged one of the companies that made one of the games for a registration key a few months ago, and they actually gave him one! I call that amazing customer service haha.
Yeah I've heard of a few success stories with reaching out to old devs online, I think I had tried one or two e-mails I found for various games but after a half year or so nothing came up. Probably dead addresses.
not all palm OS devices had a piezo beeper for sound. later ones had the mobileer me2000, a software based fm/wavetable hybrid synthesiser. also, the tongston has a port of sonic 1 that is based on the 8 bit version.
2021 comment but whatever…. Just a notice, on some versions of palm (where Bluetooth is supported) you are able to wirelessly transfer files via Bluetooth by opening the settings on windows 10, and then scrolling down after you connect, and there is a button called transfer files vis Bluetooth p, and that somehow works on palm. I was able to use that to get an emulator and games onto the palm without the cradle/dingle because I lost that before.
Great vid, Palm was a big part of my life before smartphones. Had a huge case of nostalgia until you got to all the shareware / trial limitations, then it brought back bad memories lol...not sure I want to relive that part!
Went and looked up "Quarth" ( never heard of it). Found out it was a Japan only famicom game. Tried it out, and yeah! Pretty great! Thanks !! Love these simple addictive arcade style puzzle games.
I have so much of these devices.. Xda... Vpa... Mda vario 1 2... Vodafone vpa 2... They run win mobile 2003 se und 2006... With between 250 to 690mhz... With the 300 mhz variant is able to play ps1 games... And thousands of win ce games... Cool devices... I love them... You can use it as a retro gaming console... For gba.. Psx.. Gbc.. Sega mega drive... Snes.. Nes... Amiga... And so on... And they cost less than 10 euro
Yes pocket pc is amazing, palm was just a budget pda that was easier to use, only real advantage it had, (if you are a pleb who can't handle anything with a learning curve). I have 2x hp ipaq hx4700 (best ppc ever) the dell axim x51v (another great high end pda) the rz1710 (my first pda) which is the budget model. I played the winmo games on that one the most, from 2005-2007 until I got the hx4700. I also have ipaq 214. It was an attempt made in 2008 by hp, basically it's a brother of the hx4700. They did get it right somewhat because they replaced the crappy touchpad with a dpad, a large one at that and improved the battery life. Too bad they shipped it with a buggy wm6 rom and this kills the whole experience, nobody made wm6.1 for that pda, but somebody did make wm6.5(a bloated wm6.1) but that one works like crap too, seems to have same bugs, probably a driver or hardware issue. They also managed to make it thicker.. I mean the hx4700 from 2004 was 14mm and the ipaq 214 is 18mm thick. What the actual fuck? The ipaq Hx4700 shipped with wm2003se (which is good and was the best at the time) and they made an official wm5 upgrade for it, but that upgrade sucks ass, wm5 and wm6 were terrible in general, imagine that with tons of bugs and sluggish performance. Fortunately the community loved the hx4700 so they made made many custom roms of wm6.x and even linux debian (which is on my other hx4700). I got my my custom wm6.1 rom on my main hx4700, it works great.
@@harshnemesis cool younare collecting these things like me... I put them on a row in my living room... Looks nice... Nowadays i use a bit more advanced technology... Running around with 3 smartphones and one tablet at a time to cover all apps and games i need
@@harshnemesis I bought a lot of different PDA's, including a Pocket PC or two. I preferred the Palm OS. The hardware wasn't as powerful in general, since the OS was more efficient and didn't need to be as powerful to perform well. The much bigger selection of software and accessories also made it more compelling for me. I still use and carry a Palm Treo 700p and own a TX, among others. BTW I also carry an Android phone for calls.
@@someguy2135 Windows mobile wasn't exactly bloated either, it was pretty lightweight. It was for sure more flexible and expandable than palmos. Also I don't buy this about optimization, the real reason is because the os wasn't as complex and therefore powerful and the hardware cuts were due to the budget, especially that monocolor display, not because palm os would not need better hardware. You cannot create better hardware with lines of code. Later in the span as hardware became cheaper it was clearly shown that palm os could do better with better hardware that came closer to pocket pc, so the real reason why palm had inferior devices is due to budget cuts so people with less dough could afford a pda... that's who they marketed to... palm was a poorman's pda.
I had a Tungsten with Little John Palm! At the time, it was awesome, I mostly used it to try out original Gameboy games. The controls weren't optimal, of course, but the games ran well! I think it was capable of Genesis and maybe SNES too, but you had to do some weird kind of hack to give it access to more RAM? I don't quite recall.
I remember having on ~15 years ago, it was probably a newer or more powerful model but my dad brought it 2nd hand. It did run some Nintendo emulator and I remember trial only games being a norm. Just a few games that weren't. But there was some really simply viking themed strategy game that I really liked, couldn't find it anymore though.
My favorite developers were RanoSoft and Mike McCollister back during around 2012 or 2013 or so... (Both sites are still online and the PRCs can still be downloaded) RNS is on the list due to HBX (a HackMaster/X-Master compatible extension of the hard buttons) and Bombel (best bubble wrap application in my opinion...yeah I'm weird). Mike McCollister is on the list because of Battery Prefs and Screen Prefs.
Please more weird stuff like this its amazing taking a look at more obscure stuff. I had the same palm with one game on it I cant remember what it was but I think it was boxman
I found a couple of these in my storage and now I'm wanting to learn how to make some homebrew for these devices. I of course don't know how to do so, but i think it'd be neat to make some little virtual pets like the ones we had with our Tamagotchis and Digivices.
I remember I had the sega classic collection on the palm that had the game gear versions of sonic 1, shining force, columns and shinobi. god i loved my palm.
This video make the games we have for Android/iOS seem like masterpieces in comparison. I guess portable gaming outside of dedicated handhelds was never that good, but we sure came a long way
Ya and to think we would be playing kotor and max payne on fuckin phones is still mind blowing considering how powerful are phones are compared to a ps2 hell even gamecube
Thanks for the coverage. I was lucky enough to get hands on three Palm devices for 15 Euros in total like three years ago, one of them should be the M515 and another be the Thungsten actually. Getting hands on software these days is really difficult, most of it is taken down and not even the Internet Archive seems to have things conserved :/
Good subject! I co-opted my work PDA as a proto handheld in the early naughties, until the PSP was delivered from on high. (Cue angelic music) Played me some serious Spy Hunter with the stylus! Palm Pilot (can't believe that name actually stuck) was a really versatile, accessable and hackable platform. But I dropped mine like third period French for PSP.
If you really want to get into gaming on Palm OS - get a Tapwave Zodiac Z2. It was a Palm OS device designed specifically for gaming. Still wasn't very good, tho. While you are at it, check out the Sony Xperia Play, the N-Gage (QD), and maybe the Sony Mylo COM-2 . :) The rabbit hole is deep, my friend..
I've ordered two N-Gage QDs in the past and they both had WSOD before they even reached my house. I intended to do a video on them a long time ago actually. This traumatic event has prevented me from buying another one. I also hear they're ticking time bombs in terms of functionality so that's why I'm not surprised they didn't work.
Archive.org has a collection CD-ROM of games which you can download here: archive.org/details/100_Great_Games_for_Palm_OS_and_Handspring_rs_Volume_3_Global_Star_Software_2001 I believe archive.org has other PalmOS games too. There is also a PalmOS emulator on Android called "Phem" which makes it easy to run Palm software if you can dump your ROM. Some fun games I played on Palm were PocketCity(A SimCity clone), iRouge, iLarn and kMoria were alright, of course an official port of Bejeweled exists and it's really well done. There was also an RPG game, I think it was called "Kyle's Quest" or something around those lines. There's also the "StyleTap Platform" that runs only PalmOS 5 apps and games on Android and Windows Mobile. StyleTap doesn't need a ROM image as it emulates PalmOS syscalls and APIs and calls the Android equivalents for near native performance.
Speaking of obsolete PDA software, I found an exe installer for the unreleased game Radium by Karma Studios (demo) a while ago. I sadly don't have a Windows Pocket PC on me to test / play it, so it's just sitting on my hard drive, and a USB drive for backup for now.
I have 2 disks filled with palm os games. Games like bejeweled 2 and all popcap games were amazing on the palm os. Also Namco released a lot of their arcade titles on the palm and I think Capcom released a RE game on it as well.
@@FrameRater some of them yes. but those namco games were the most difficult to find. I don't remember if they were the trial version or the full version but I do remember that those versions were for Palm OS 5.
I got a HandSpring, which used PalmOS, because I thought that would be the form factor going forward (a PDA where you would plug in your cellular device). Then Apple made the iPhone, which is a PDA with the phone and GPS built in.
There is a starcraft like game that is super good, and my ultimate favorite and free game - space trader -- still developed and supported. Older palms lasted like a week on alkaline batteries. They were serial, not usb.
Did you trim some of the gameboy section? I could've Sworn there was more when this came out. If so I wish you'd give us an extended cut, I liked that part a lot
I too own a Tungsten E2, loved that device ever since I got it. There's a GSMHosting forum which has a preetty good Palm OS archive (with patches for registration included), and there's also palmarchive.com, which is a huge repository for this kind of abandonware. Kinda let down that you didn't show any more of the Astraware games... There are some gems like the whole Bejeweled series, Hellfire, GTS Racing, My Little Tank, Alchemy, among other cool games... Tho it could be because of the OS limitation (most of these were 5.0+ compatible PRCs).
Excellent review. I remembered why I had this PDA lying on the shelf most of the time. It quickly became clear that there were no normal games there, and all the ones that were there - were either shareware or simply did not start, because they required an activation key that unclear where to find. Apparently, this is the worst platform for games, i think.
My dad had some Palm back in the day, 2005-2007, probably a lot newer than this one as I remember downloading NES emulator on it and it working great and it even had sound. Playability was horrible though as controls were not very good. I had the same problem as you had, all the games were shareware and developers long since gone. I however remember some viking strategy game that was fun.
Game and watch game GG-9 by Casio was awesome in it's day. I think it came out with some other games but my brother n I used to play it for hrs. Holes in one were particularly difficult. 👍
Wow, Crazy Cube literally has a clone on Windows Mobile 6 (and possibly other versions) PDAs, and it comes with the PDA itself for free (along with other hit games like Solitaire and Microsoft Excel Mobile), as far as I'm aware on my HP iPAQ 210. You should try the Windows Mobile line of PDAs for gaming at some point! ;-D
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Happy to talk to you about this era, you covered a few of the games we developed.. (lemmings, mt3d, maryo Bros).. we had a lot of games - we also had our own Gameboy emulator and you may be interested in the demo contest we did for the palm m505!!
So, was it the wild west of software development? It was freeware and licensers never bothered to check for infringement?
Hi aren! a shame handheld remakes is down, you actually ended up releasing full versions of some of your games on there.
I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know a method to get back into an Instagram account??
I somehow lost the login password. I love any tricks you can give me!
@Zachariah Gerardo Instablaster :)
@Trent Kamden thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and Im in the hacking process atm.
I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Pushing out a 30 minute video 4 days after an hour long rabbids documentary? You're an absolute madman.
4 days is alot of time tho
@@napalmkitty6686 Not if you're gonna pump out 30 minutes of high quality content. If you're a vlogger or something, sure, but Frame's content takes more time than just saying "Hey guys! Today I ate soup and my cat fell down, ha!"
@@ryngak truth. :-)
i love frame. My fav vid is the n64 expansion pack. You?
3:38 yeah those specifications are neat and all but I wanna know more about Where To Eat Ass, and why CNET may get a commission from asses I have eaten once found
Glad someone else noticed that...
I was just about to ask about this.
I saw that too, and had to jump back to see it again. I laughed so hard when I saw it.
That “original take” on a Game And Watch game is actually just the Game And Watch title Octopus
I remember one that my Dad had installed called Space Trader, which was a surprisingly in-depth space tycoon game with turn-based combat on top.
My favourite PalmOS game was "Lock & Key", a maze game with a sort of strategy puzzle element to it. It was always great when you finally got your stats high enough to fight any enemy without losing health, and had free run to go anywhere. I keep thinking about writing a clone...
Stuff like this gets me all into wanting to get into doing Back Port stuff again.
Nothing is more satisfying, than taking an older piece of hardware... and having it do things that the piece of hardware has no business ever doing.
PalmOS 5 was my childhood, between the Tungsten T3, a couple Treo phones, Palm Centro, and now a Palm TX I found cheaply from eBay but rarely use anymore. I actually had a Mappy PRC that actually felt like a fully-featured emulation of the Arcade/MAME version, with even mappy-specific settings.
It was the one game I had that really took over all hardware buttons, meaning I had to re-insert a SD Card to exit get back to home (or alt, then home on a Treo). I think it was a Trial, one that (I think) triggers a popup after the first bonus round. I think I also recall somehow getting hold of the full version.
Warfare Incorporated is an amazing game for palm 4. As far as showing what these devices were actually capable for, I can't think of a better example. The sound on this game also blew me away.
3:40 Right side of screen. wtf?
At least CNET gets some commission.
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Man this bought back memories! I had a Palm Vx when I was young and it was pretty much my only way to play games for awhile so I downloaded all the free shovelware I could of course. Played a good few of these, asteroids, the ribbon one, pong, etc. Remember being annoyed at all the non free games haha. I actually received mine without the linking cable but fortunately the family laptop had an infrared port, and it is actually possible to synch up files in that manner! I do remember really liking (at the time) these two games that were RPGs. Don't remember the names, but in one of them you were a gladiator that built up status with each battle and the other was more fantasy oriented. Decent games if a bit grind-y. and right when the sparse story seemed to be getting interesting it brought up the registration screen.... My Palm gaming days ended when the battery inexplicably died. That is, until I caught wind of Serious Sam Palm OS of course. Also Kitteh looks fluffy and I wanna pet.
Man, this is crazy, the day this was uploaded, I was at this new game store in town, and they had this weird SEGA Classics collection. I had no idea what it was for, so I asked, and the guy said it was for the Palm OS. I had no idea what that was until I watched this video. The collection was of four Master System games, those being Sonic 1, Shinobi, Super Columns, and Shining Force. So interesting how I had never heard of it until seeing it in person! They were selling it for $100, but I've seen it on eBay for $80. Super interesting!
Yeesh, $100? I know Palm games can get expensive but that's ridiculous. I've seen it for around $40 - $50 on eBay... I think sealed, too. I would have gotten it but it requires Palm 5.0 or above. Not sure why since they're not very demanding titles.
Ouh, i remember playing shining force on palm ☺️
Great video. there was a handheld called the Tapwave Zodiac that came out in 2003 or 2004. It was made by ex Palm employees. Was pretty powerful and got a few games by Activision but that was it.
It was also terrible and sold very little units
I would just so happen to LOVE more odd videos like these. The more obscure, the more likely our boy FrameRater is to cover it!
Sure, it may be redundant nowadays, but in the words of everyone's favourite rich puppet, Stingy: "I know I don't *_need_* it, BUT I *_want_* it!"
@FrameRater After Palm OS was abandoned, Astraware released a document containing all the possible registration codes for their games based on a hardware ID. You can use that to register Bzzz.
Race Fever was great on infrared multiplayer! Space War (Star trek battle) and Space Trader (Great RPG with port available on Android) were awesome too. I used to play a lot on my Palm m100, m125 and Zire. Though the Android finally filled the void left by Palm after the end of Palm OS as we know.
Space War was such a great game! Wish we had that game on iOS or Android.
Looks like this video focused a lot on arcade games, but there were some good puzzle games and RPGs. Plus Ackwire, a sweet version of the old Sid Sackson Aquire board game.
explotion is not based on the bomber lemming skill, but rather the "nuke" skill, which turns all lemmings into bombers. it serves as both a quick reset in case you fuck up and also to bring the level to a quick end if the goal has already been reached (tipicly to get rid of the blocker lemmings which are basicly disposable brick walls).
The other palm also has sound capabilities of an NES, so GB and NES emus had full sound. GBA emus had partial sound, and SNES emus, had none.
that was interesting actually. This makes me want to find old hand held and cell phone games out of curiosity.
Neat video, I actually forgot about palm devices. I remember my dad gave me his old Tungsten E when he got a palm TX and I used to use it to listen to music and various other pda stuff. I didnt have many games on it but I remember I did have a copy of Duke Nukem 3D on it that ran pretty badly, and I had to pay for a program that made a swap file on the SD card because the Tungsten didn't have enough memory to run duke3d without it. I finished duke on the tungsten but wouldn't want to try it again today haha. good times
I just read a short Wikihow article on how to crack Palm OS games with "pilotdis" to get rid of the paywalls. It would be interesting to see more on this. It's a dead platform anyway and won't be hurting any developers.
Actually, Boulder Dash was a game released in 1984 for the Atari 8-bit computers by First Star Software, and is not an arcade release. Just thought you should know.
I'm 43 years old, I had MAAAANY PalmOS devices. They were great for the time.
Warfare Inc.! You left out the most awesome RTS on Palm!
@@FrameRater Still you should check it out. The graphics are quite good for what it was, it runs on 160x160 @mono up to 640x480@16 bit, and supports pretty much every single Palm device. And it's pretty fun to play with the stylus too.
Agreed, came here to say this. Warfare Inc was by far one of my favorite games on Palm. It also got ports to iOS and Android. No idea about iOS but the Android version is free.
Palm trial apps usually create db in the palm system to mark when you started using the app. deleting those db may prolong your trial of the app. those db's are usually disguised as something common like calendar or datebook db. as long as you're sure which is which, then you won't accidentally delete your important data :)
Kyle's Quest, Space Trader
My dad used to have a Palm, he used it for the things he uses his iPhone now lol.
But it's incredible to see apps that began in PalmOS still being used in smartphones to this day. Like Quicken, for example.
Dude I had a tungsten t2 rip classes in early 2000's with games, mp3 and even full movies :) . Thanks for the memories.
Definitely look into getting a Palm that runs OS 5! There's a lot of great stuff you can play on one, even ignoring emulators (though I have to admit that my LifeDrive makes a great Game Boy substitute). Sadly, a lot of games are still hampered by being shareware without a means to register them in 2019.
Maybe I'll make that a video project of my own, sometime.
Oh yeah, More FrameRater content. Love that new Intro!
Do you know the intro song?
It's MACROSS 82-99 - Outro!
The popcap palm os games are great I have spent many hours playing them over the years
I bought the physical disk of Crimson Fire games way back in high school, and still have it. Want me to dig it up, rip it and send it off to you? They made some great games and the disk has quite a number of extra goodies!
I always wanted a Palm since I was child in the 90's. Finally got a Palm Zaire in high school. I didn't have Internet at home so it was hard to get games. In 2008 I got the Palm Centro. I used it for 8 years but then Telstra shut the 2G network down.
I found playing games on the Centro difficult because the action buttons were also the OS menu buttons. This meant that I had to take the battery out to get back to the OS home screen. Many games wouldn't use the inbuilt keyboard, that would make it easy.
I think Palm would of survived longer if they had an app store on the Centro and Treo.
Aldon’s Crossing is still an amazing RPG
Many years ago my family moved to a really tiny town in the Nevada desert. There was a charter school that had been closed down. However, the front door was left unlocked. So of my friend and I went in to see what was there. Right inside the entrance was a storage closet filled with old printers, desktop computers, and laptops. There was also a pair of Palm Tungsten E2s, and being the delinquent 11 year old I was, I decided to steal something. In my infinite wisdom, I decided to grab the PDA, instead of one of the many old laptops. Not my proudest moment, but looking back on it is pretty funny.
I remember my old Palm TX playing a 3d shooter helicopter game, a racing game, but also ported versions of Doom, Duke Nukem and Hexen (the PC versions), and they ran fine. I also had a foldable keyboard, so back in 2006 that was like having a mini pc with you, it was crazy :))
I may have forgotten about Tamagotchis.. but they remember you
*they always remember*
"Why did you abandon me, Mommy? Why? Did I do something wrong, Mommy? Why did you leave me?"
I mean... if I am going to have that nightmare, the rest of you might as well also have it.
The XScale Palms could run a snes emulator at full speed. The cheap Palm Zire 72 I had worked well but the more expensive Tungsten models had a bigger screen and were quicker.
I'd love to see palm ports of some of the tiger handhelds, since that's exactly what the palm games sound like.
Thank you for making this video!! Back when I was a kid before I had a GameBoy or DS, I would play GameBoy games on the LJP emulator on a Palm Pilot. Trying it again years later after playing the games on a real GameBoy, I now notice that the games didn’t run PERFECTLY, but they still ran pretty well on my model!
Also would like to mention!! My dad actually messaged one of the companies that made one of the games for a registration key a few months ago, and they actually gave him one! I call that amazing customer service haha.
Yeah I've heard of a few success stories with reaching out to old devs online, I think I had tried one or two e-mails I found for various games but after a half year or so nothing came up. Probably dead addresses.
not all palm OS devices had a piezo beeper for sound. later ones had the mobileer me2000, a software based fm/wavetable hybrid synthesiser. also, the tongston has a port of sonic 1 that is based on the 8 bit version.
2021 comment but whatever….
Just a notice, on some versions of palm (where Bluetooth is supported) you are able to wirelessly transfer files via Bluetooth by opening the settings on windows 10, and then scrolling down after you connect, and there is a button called transfer files vis Bluetooth p, and that somehow works on palm. I was able to use that to get an emulator and games onto the palm without the cradle/dingle because I lost that before.
You missed Rally 1000, bejeweled, dope wars, insaniquarium, and subhunt.
Great vid, Palm was a big part of my life before smartphones. Had a huge case of nostalgia until you got to all the shareware / trial limitations, then it brought back bad memories lol...not sure I want to relive that part!
Went and looked up "Quarth" ( never heard of it). Found out it was a Japan only famicom game. Tried it out, and yeah! Pretty great! Thanks !! Love these simple addictive arcade style puzzle games.
You missed one of the best games. Napalm Racing - one of the best 3D graphics for the M515.
That Toy Races game is just a clone (unofficial port?) of Micro Machines 2. It even uses the assets from that game.
I have so much of these devices.. Xda... Vpa... Mda vario 1 2... Vodafone vpa 2... They run win mobile 2003 se und 2006... With between 250 to 690mhz... With the 300 mhz variant is able to play ps1 games... And thousands of win ce games... Cool devices... I love them... You can use it as a retro gaming console... For gba.. Psx.. Gbc.. Sega mega drive... Snes.. Nes... Amiga... And so on... And they cost less than 10 euro
Yes pocket pc is amazing, palm was just a budget pda that was easier to use, only real advantage it had, (if you are a pleb who can't handle anything with a learning curve).
I have 2x hp ipaq hx4700 (best ppc ever) the dell axim x51v (another great high end pda) the rz1710 (my first pda) which is the budget model. I played the winmo games on that one the most, from 2005-2007 until I got the hx4700. I also have ipaq 214. It was an attempt made in 2008 by hp, basically it's a brother of the hx4700. They did get it right somewhat because they replaced the crappy touchpad with a dpad, a large one at that and improved the battery life. Too bad they shipped it with a buggy wm6 rom and this kills the whole experience, nobody made wm6.1 for that pda, but somebody did make wm6.5(a bloated wm6.1) but that one works like crap too, seems to have same bugs, probably a driver or hardware issue. They also managed to make it thicker.. I mean the hx4700 from 2004 was 14mm and the ipaq 214 is 18mm thick. What the actual fuck? The ipaq Hx4700 shipped with wm2003se (which is good and was the best at the time) and they made an official wm5 upgrade for it, but that upgrade sucks ass, wm5 and wm6 were terrible in general, imagine that with tons of bugs and sluggish performance. Fortunately the community loved the hx4700 so they made made many custom roms of wm6.x and even linux debian (which is on my other hx4700). I got my my custom wm6.1 rom on my main hx4700, it works great.
@@harshnemesis cool younare collecting these things like me... I put them on a row in my living room... Looks nice... Nowadays i use a bit more advanced technology... Running around with 3 smartphones and one tablet at a time to cover all apps and games i need
@@harshnemesis I bought a lot of different PDA's, including a Pocket PC or two. I preferred the Palm OS. The hardware wasn't as powerful in general, since the OS was more efficient and didn't need to be as powerful to perform well. The much bigger selection of software and accessories also made it more compelling for me. I still use and carry a Palm Treo 700p and own a TX, among others. BTW I also carry an Android phone for calls.
@@someguy2135 Windows mobile wasn't exactly bloated either, it was pretty lightweight. It was for sure more flexible and expandable than palmos. Also I don't buy this about optimization, the real reason is because the os wasn't as complex and therefore powerful and the hardware cuts were due to the budget, especially that monocolor display, not because palm os would not need better hardware. You cannot create better hardware with lines of code. Later in the span as hardware became cheaper it was clearly shown that palm os could do better with better hardware that came closer to pocket pc, so the real reason why palm had inferior devices is due to budget cuts so people with less dough could afford a pda... that's who they marketed to... palm was a poorman's pda.
@@harshnemesis The lower price was one reason for its popularity. The popularity resulted in better software and accessory selection.
Refreshing to see what was out there. I would have loved to try games on my palm centro
I had a Tungsten with Little John Palm! At the time, it was awesome, I mostly used it to try out original Gameboy games. The controls weren't optimal, of course, but the games ran well!
I think it was capable of Genesis and maybe SNES too, but you had to do some weird kind of hack to give it access to more RAM? I don't quite recall.
3:41 can you please click the ad on the left?
I need to know where to do that...
yes i would love for you to make more neat videos like this, i got so interested
3:42 - Where to eat ass indeed.
Edit: Toy racers is a Micro Machines clone methinks.
you were the only comment that pointed that out when i used the text search function.... i can't believe not more comments were written about that :D
I remember having on ~15 years ago, it was probably a newer or more powerful model but my dad brought it 2nd hand. It did run some Nintendo emulator and I remember trial only games being a norm. Just a few games that weren't. But there was some really simply viking themed strategy game that I really liked, couldn't find it anymore though.
You should look into the Tapwave Zodiac, and the Treo 700p.
My favorite developers were RanoSoft and Mike McCollister back during around 2012 or 2013 or so... (Both sites are still online and the PRCs can still be downloaded)
RNS is on the list due to HBX (a HackMaster/X-Master compatible extension of the hard buttons) and Bombel (best bubble wrap application in my opinion...yeah I'm weird). Mike McCollister is on the list because of Battery Prefs and Screen Prefs.
Oh dude, your intro is really special 🔥💯
Please more weird stuff like this its amazing taking a look at more obscure stuff.
I had the same palm with one game on it I cant remember what it was but I think it was boxman
I found a couple of these in my storage and now I'm wanting to learn how to make some homebrew for these devices. I of course don't know how to do so, but i think it'd be neat to make some little virtual pets like the ones we had with our Tamagotchis and Digivices.
14:32 I think that old developer website was hacked with some injection hack by some malicious bot...
I remember I had the sega classic collection on the palm that had the game gear versions of sonic 1, shining force, columns and shinobi. god i loved my palm.
You could find the key and username for that key, then using an app to fake it for that app. It is good for the abandoned ware games.
This video make the games we have for Android/iOS seem like masterpieces in comparison. I guess portable gaming outside of dedicated handhelds was never that good, but we sure came a long way
Ya and to think we would be playing kotor and max payne on fuckin phones is still mind blowing considering how powerful are phones are compared to a ps2 hell even gamecube
"The Prison" has a sprite of a question block for New Super Mario Bros
the true grandfather of mobile gaming :)
Galax! Don't do it, when you wanna..... clone!
You madman.
Toy Races is just zoomed in Micro Machines. Wild
2:17 in awe at the size of this lad
absolute unit
Thanks for the coverage.
I was lucky enough to get hands on three Palm devices for 15 Euros in total like three years ago, one of them should be the M515 and another be the Thungsten actually.
Getting hands on software these days is really difficult, most of it is taken down and not even the Internet Archive seems to have things conserved :/
You left this comment 3 years ago but if you need palm software I archived lots of it back in 2010.
@@zachsteiner That sounds interesting 👀👀
I'd still like to give it a try.
I loved my palm when I was a kid. I had a few emulated nintendo and arcade games on it.
Good subject! I co-opted my work PDA as a proto handheld in the early naughties, until the PSP was delivered from on high. (Cue angelic music) Played me some serious Spy Hunter with the stylus! Palm Pilot (can't believe that name actually stuck) was a really versatile, accessable and hackable platform. But I dropped mine like third period French for PSP.
If you really want to get into gaming on Palm OS - get a Tapwave Zodiac Z2. It was a Palm OS device designed specifically for gaming.
Still wasn't very good, tho.
While you are at it, check out the Sony Xperia Play, the N-Gage (QD), and maybe the Sony Mylo COM-2
. :) The rabbit hole is deep, my friend..
I've ordered two N-Gage QDs in the past and they both had WSOD before they even reached my house. I intended to do a video on them a long time ago actually. This traumatic event has prevented me from buying another one. I also hear they're ticking time bombs in terms of functionality so that's why I'm not surprised they didn't work.
Archive.org has a collection CD-ROM of games which you can download here: archive.org/details/100_Great_Games_for_Palm_OS_and_Handspring_rs_Volume_3_Global_Star_Software_2001 I believe archive.org has other PalmOS games too. There is also a PalmOS emulator on Android called "Phem" which makes it easy to run Palm software if you can dump your ROM. Some fun games I played on Palm were PocketCity(A SimCity clone), iRouge, iLarn and kMoria were alright, of course an official port of Bejeweled exists and it's really well done. There was also an RPG game, I think it was called "Kyle's Quest" or something around those lines. There's also the "StyleTap Platform" that runs only PalmOS 5 apps and games on Android and Windows Mobile. StyleTap doesn't need a ROM image as it emulates PalmOS syscalls and APIs and calls the Android equivalents for near native performance.
Ah memories 🧡
i switched to windows PDA back then just to play SNES
I remember seeing a Palm Device in Jim Carrey’s The Cat In The Hat movie.
Woah woah woah woah. Rayman on Pocket PC gives you access to the World Map as you progress rather than in post game?! That's actually pretty cool!
Speaking of obsolete PDA software, I found an exe installer for the unreleased game Radium by Karma Studios (demo) a while ago. I sadly don't have a Windows Pocket PC on me to test / play it, so it's just sitting on my hard drive, and a USB drive for backup for now.
I love this video. Palm anything is dead nowadays. Thankyou for your video and making others aware of palm OS and history. Thank you
The Palm Treo smartphones ran neck and neck with Blackberries for the lead, until the original iPhone. I still use my Treo, but not for phone calls.
I have 2 disks filled with palm os games.
Games like bejeweled 2 and all popcap games were amazing on the palm os.
Also Namco released a lot of their arcade titles on the palm and I think Capcom released a RE game on it as well.
Do you have the Namco games?
@@FrameRater some of them yes. but those namco games were the most difficult to find.
I don't remember if they were the trial version or the full version but I do remember that those versions were for Palm OS 5.
I just remembered how I got around trial periods.
I got a HandSpring, which used PalmOS, because I thought that would be the form factor going forward (a PDA where you would plug in your cellular device). Then Apple made the iPhone, which is a PDA with the phone and GPS built in.
I wonder how people will see Smartphone games in 20 years
There is a starcraft like game that is super good, and my ultimate favorite and free game - space trader -- still developed and supported. Older palms lasted like a week on alkaline batteries. They were serial, not usb.
Great content as always, frame rater
Did you trim some of the gameboy section? I could've Sworn there was more when this came out. If so I wish you'd give us an extended cut, I liked that part a lot
Interesting... I may pick one up just to see what it is like
I used my pda in middle and hs loved it teachers didnt know how to allow for the tech tho it was a pain explaining every semester.
When I was in college, using it in class teachers thought it was a calculator so I always got away lol.
I too own a Tungsten E2, loved that device ever since I got it. There's a GSMHosting forum which has a preetty good Palm OS archive (with patches for registration included), and there's also palmarchive.com, which is a huge repository for this kind of abandonware. Kinda let down that you didn't show any more of the Astraware games... There are some gems like the whole Bejeweled series, Hellfire, GTS Racing, My Little Tank, Alchemy, among other cool games... Tho it could be because of the OS limitation (most of these were 5.0+ compatible PRCs).
This is pretty impressive for the days it was released
I owned this...and the upgraded color 130 with sd card slot...had a 32MB card in mine......and proud of it to
Excellent review. I remembered why I had this PDA lying on the shelf most of the time. It quickly became clear that there were no normal games there, and all the ones that were there - were either shareware or simply did not start, because they required an activation key that unclear where to find. Apparently, this is the worst platform for games, i think.
My dad had some Palm back in the day, 2005-2007, probably a lot newer than this one as I remember downloading NES emulator on it and it working great and it even had sound. Playability was horrible though as controls were not very good. I had the same problem as you had, all the games were shareware and developers long since gone. I however remember some viking strategy game that was fun.
Love these weird concepts!
Ladder is based on a game originally made for the keypro line of laptop computers.
You did an amazing job👍
Game and watch game GG-9 by Casio was awesome in it's day. I think it came out with some other games but my brother n I used to play it for hrs. Holes in one were particularly difficult. 👍
Wow, Crazy Cube literally has a clone on Windows Mobile 6 (and possibly other versions) PDAs, and it comes with the PDA itself for free (along with other hit games like Solitaire and Microsoft Excel Mobile), as far as I'm aware on my HP iPAQ 210. You should try the Windows Mobile line of PDAs for gaming at some point! ;-D