You should check out the stone huts in Crestone Colorado. They're 10,000 years old. It's crazy. It's an archeological site, but no one is ever there, and you can just walk up and check them out. There in the foothills of the mountain, you might need to ask a local where to find them, there in the woods maybe 15 minutes walk from the road, not too far, but you need to know where to park and where to walk. You can find them on the map online, but it's a little tricky foot. Crestone is a weird place, it's full of strangeness and high weirdness, the whole valley, really.
I am a Colorado native and only recently really started diving into our pre-history history. This is so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to make the video!
I was born in the year that Byron Olson recorded this site (1967). When I grew up he taught me to be a Colorado Archaeologist. I consider myself extremely lucky to have been trained by him.To have spent quality time with him. And I miss him.
They would sit the bowl there and wait for the animal to come by and graze in the field. As they filled in the field they would choose which side of the rock lines to crawl along as they grazed. Moving slowly, they use the rocks for cover as the prey will be looking up for predators. Once they are in line they will signal to initiate an “ambush” upon the unsuspecting prey. Working together with what they had as tools and one another while learning new ways to adapt to their ever changing environment. Really cool video thanks for sharing that. So awesome to see man’s mind working in the past as we analyze what they left for us.
Wow, beautiful! Those are genius! They were healthier than most people today! There is nothing like food cooked outside, especially when you hunt it, it's fresh, you are with your loved ones, and you are hungry! Life must have been fabulous, no matter how difficult! Thank you for this great video!
As a teen, in the 90's, I walked from Nederland to Rollinsville and then all the way to the top of the pass! It took over twelve hours but worth it! My friends were already up there camping and I had one of the most memorable weekends of my life!
I grew up in the 90’s in Boulder & in Ned & it was like some kind of magical J. R. R. Tolkien Reality we lived everyday, going on adventures camping & climbing, including Rollins Pass before the tunnel collapsed, wouldn’t trade that experience for the world.. Really sad that it collapsed, but it was like some kind of poetic justice that it did right when the state was really starting to suffer from all the new armchair quarterback East Coast Family Guy implantees destroying everything Colorado including our Way of Life we all loved.. (I’m not jealous, no lol😂)..😅
And cooperation. Kill sites like these, but with bison, in Wyoming, were found to have killed and butchered huge amounts of bison at a time, in the hundreds. Enough that it seems almost a surety that these were more widely dispersed groups of people, coming together seasonally to cooperate to take advantage of the migrations of large herds. So the number of hunters, as well as the time frame these structures were built over, might be far in excess of what one might think possible in that age.
@@davidgreenwood6029 Agreed. Shortly after the commonly accepted discovery of the New world, in the early 1500s European explorers sailed up and down the east coast of North America looking for suitable settlement sites. They reported back the same thing time and time again in their ships logs and records, that the entire coast was densely covered with indigenous people's villages, towns and cities with little room for new settlements. Sadly within 50 years it's estimated that over 90% of these North American people died from European diseases including smallpox and as simple as influenza and common cold viruses, that the people of the Americas had no immunity too. In the second half of the 1500s explorers found completely empty villages, towns and cities with plenty of room for European settlements. Very sad but true¹. ¹Reference, the book "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus." by Charles C. Mann
My first time over Rollins Pass was in the early 1960s as a teen, it was a popular destination to take visitors up through the needles eye tunnel and across the trestles to the pass and a great area to follow mining roads on the dirt bikes of the day. It was a sad day when I heard the tunnel had collapsed. These stone ruins were unknown to me until your video just now, very interesting and I enjoyed the views I haven't seen for a few decades, thanks for posting.
I absolutely HATED the needle eye tunnel, and the whole of that pass. But I was a small child, stuck in the back seat of the red and white Toyota land cruiser that my father bought a year or so after we moved to Boulder in '62. He drove us to places that were absolutely terrifying, and all we could do was slide to the mountain side of the car so the weight wouldn't drag us over the edge. I remember going to the needle eye, and at that time, you could drive across the trestle (wooden, as I recall) IF you were out of your mind, or you could walk across it. I got about ten feet out and looked through the cracks and went straight back and waited for the family to come back. I also recall seeing a couple of trains down at the bottom of the hill, there. Man, the things that stay with you for decades!
@@willmorrison1022 We moved to Boulder in '57 when I was 10, that your dad had an early Land Cruiser is pretty darn cool. A lot of things were a bit scary as a child but as far as those trestles were concerned, I figured if they could hold a train, we were okay . I remember how apprehensive I was walking out on the Royal Gorge Bridge the first time... Boulder Canyon was a wonderful 'park' in those days before the hippies moved in and took it over, I grew up where the Senior Citizens Center is now by the Library, our playground was from Central Park to the mouth of the canyon and all of Flagstaff mountain, What an amazing town it was and a great place to be a kid...Thanks for the reply.
@@markmark2080 Very fun! You moved to Boulder a year before I was born. I had to wait until I was 4. The fun thing about the land cruiser is telling the guys at the Toyota place that you had one. They almost fall over in jealousy. When my Dad got tired of it, he sold it to a friend of the next door neighbor's, who painted it, and for all I know, his son is still driving it around now. They built those things like tanks, back then. Do you know where Fraiser Meadows manor is? Right on Sioux Drive between Mohawk and the foothills highway? My house was right across the street from there. We crossed Thunderbird Road (Now the Foothills parkway) to go to junior high on the other side. No one thought about giving US a walkway over the road, no sir. Hell, it was just a 2 lane dirt road, back then. Oh, and town ENDED at my back yard. There was one house behind us, all the way to 36. It was the Cronick's house, and Betty was on the city council. Ah, the good old days! Town would shut down for football games. The 88Cent store was down on Pearl, long before the mall was even thought of. Before the Safeway on Baseline was built. I spent 7 years playing at Fred's down on the mall, it was where I grew up and learned how to play guitar and about a thousand tunes, playing with Fred. Sure miss that old bugger! Man, I feel old! Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
@@willmorrison1022 You lived real close to the old Flatirons Ice skating rink and Thunderbird Lanes, a location of many 'teen' events in my HS days. I knew that area well as my very first job in 1959/60 was dropping off Daily Camera paper bundles to the paperboys in SE Boulder before I got my first paper route thru the CU campus, and although we went to BHS, most of the girls we ran with were from old Fairview HS by Baseline lake... I remember when McDs opened just N of Walnut on 28th. I remember when the train still came into the depot at 14th and Water St. (Canyon Blvd) and I once got to ride in the engine while the engineer moved some cars up between Broadway and 9th. I worked at the Joyces Supermarket near BHS and it was always cool to go into the Liquor Mart in later years and recall those times decades earlier. You, being into music perhaps recall the glory days of KIMN Radio (check out the YT video 'Bruce and Terry - Fabulous KIMN Jingle'). My best friend and I managed to sneak in to see the Beatles in '64, half hour before they came on, so many memories...cheers.
I’m confused by the term “native” Americans. I was born here, I’m a native. I have no ethnic connection to the tribal peoples, and frankly the term “native” American discounts the right of ever American born here to a homeland. It needs to change. As a descendant of European immigrants who fled religious persecution, I feel unwelcome in my own home. There’s a sore loser attitude that is pervasive amongst the native blooded peoples
@@Ndw1995 Did you see George Carlins take on Indians. He said that's what they were called, even if wrongly so. The "native" dosn't work either. Indeginous, ehh, I don't know. I grew up by "the Rez" east of San Diego, Viejas, Baron Long Kumeyaay, Dieguito Indians. It was rough then, now they have the huge casino/hotel resort. Good for them.
@@Ndw1995words have meanings, native in this case means first inhabitants, I’m not sure what kind of mind gymnastics you have to play to think you are “native” to a settler colonial state
@@konaken1035I usually use the term "Native American Indian". Although I like when Carlin said, "so what should we call them? How about Cherokee, Choctaw, Arapahoe, Blackfoot, Dinè, Lakota, Comanche, Apache, Inuit, etc.." Native American" was coined by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Carlin says the term "indios" was used by Columbus not because he thought he was in India, but because he thought the native people existed in a state of grace with God, in Dio, Latin for God.
@@ultrainstinctgarfield2661Well, "Native Americans" was first used by the anti immigration crowd in the early to mid 1800s. There's that flag that said "Native.Americans. Beware Of Foreign.Influence", with backwards N's. It was used by the Know Nothing Party. The term meant white protestants born in America first, then the Bureau of Indian Affairs used it way later. Don't even get me started on the Solutrean Hypothesis and Clovis Points and DNA testing.
I appreciate your history lesson with the visual of these ancient Indian methods for hunting. There is a similar wall near Monarch Pass along the CDT, only accessible by hiking to it.
That’s why it’s called the Indian peaks! Fascinating Colorado paleo history. For those interested in further studies of these high alpine archaic and paleo natives lookup Barger gulch (earliest structures in americas), the Albion complex and points, and cross nearby Arapaho pass to caribou lake, another paleo archeological site! These blinds are there too, but if you don’t know about them you’ll walk right on by! Thanks for showing this beautiful site I was unaware of it but was just in the area!
Cool. Ive found them in every High Sierra pass. I thought them skiers shelters. A ranger told me that they were actually stone age blinds that they believed hunters used to ambush critters coming through the passes.
@@Mikeinthetrees1 Yep. They are discovering that humans have been in North America far longer than they thought possible. They have found cave drawings in Indonesia that date back over 50,000 years. And those people migrated to the America’s. These people that built these walls may not even be related to the modern Native American Indians.
Well dang, I worked on that Forest for two seasons and was up on Rollins Pass like a dozen times and I never knew those were there. That is so cool. Thanks for the video.
As someone who has had a strong interest in Native American history, I am astounded that these constructs exist here. Living in Colorado, this is the first time I have heard of this on Rollins Pass! thank you.
Wow, never knew. Didn't get all the way up back in the day in my old painter van. Challenging. Wish I did. Thanks for the great story Mike! A final shout out to my old friend who lived in and loved the area, now passed. Norman Raymond. Miss you brother.
There are well formed cirques in the background. I have also read that there are some winter time paleo sites up high because the cold air, being denser, sank to the valleys so that it was actually warmer in the higher elevations.
Along certain trails and in some mountainous regions of Colorado you can find these things called Wickiups: little stick formations built up around a tree or sometimes a rock. My mom would point them out to me and I thought they were just kids making forts in the woods, but actually they were in fact real native American structures. Essentially they were temporary tents built for hunters to provide some shelter from rain and wind, and ever since I learned about them, I haven't seen a single one which is a shame.
Oh wow! I have been kicking around that area since 97. Never knew these were ancient ruins. Thought they were more modern. Such an amazing vision of the native Americans looking out on those same peaks. No different than us. I know they had to be looking around and thinking how beautiful it was.
Arrgghh! I just got back from Colorado today and was hiking in the mountains. I see a lot of rock formations up there and might have walked right passed one!
popping up out of a blind and trying to spear a prey animal like an Elk would be way harder than you can imagine. I have seen herds of Elk run almost straight up the side of a mountain so fast no human could catch them. even gravely wounded by a rifle they are gone in a heartbeat.
Very cool! I had no idea these ancient signs could be found around there. I spent a lot of time hiking those Front Range mountains including a x-country ski over of Rollins Pass to Winter Park in about 1973. And nowadays, like you, I look for ancient stuff though I'm about 700miles to the SW.
It is well known that early Eskimo tribes used rock walls and intermittent piles of rocks to guide game animals like caribou. These migrating animals moving in herds would follow these man made structures, enabling hunters to strategically ambush members for food resources. Several late paleoindian sites contain caribou remains. The Holcomb site in South Eastern Michigan had an anklebone from a woodland caribou dated approximately 10k years ago. A series of rock piles in the bottom of Lake Huron is also believed to be similar as a game rock trail dating to when Lake Huron was at a lower water stage, allowing game hunting like that used by arctic hunters. It appears that as late, paleo indian cultures survived after the great maga fauna extinctions that these people resorted to bison hunting in the southwest and Caribou hunting in northern latitudes. This site at such a high elevation would be likely to duplicate such a cold environment during that time period. It's an amazingly interesting site!
I drove a F-250 that had the box removed and replaced with a 12 passenger seating arrangement. It had an emergency tarp for protection in case of a tiny snow-balls from hell (snow-pellets) summer shower. I focused on the Moffat and other facets of Grand County history as well as some geology. I probably drove right past those structures not realizing their antiquity or dismissing as permafrost relics. In the case of my job the focus was on that 4wd road and trying to smooth the ride as much as possible.
That sounds like quite the rig! Must have been quite some fun situations with that. They are very well hidden up at the very peak on the right of the road (headed east at the top). I’m glad I could bring it to light for you!
@@Mikeinthetrees1 I was doing that before the pine-beetle and the expansion of resort property development. A lot has changed since then. For the history of the Railroad "Rails that Climb" (Bollinger. 1979) and "Island in the Rockies" (Black, 1969) for Grand County history. I should check those things out.
My Dad's and old stomping ground. We would go every summer past King lake, Betty and Bob lakes hike over the saddle to Skyline resevoir, which we thought was Woodland lake. Spend the night and hike out the next day. 1960 ish to 1975 ish. Now I am sorry we never noticed the artifacts.
..It can be done with 4x4 .. Going west ,, before Needle eye tunnel at Yankee Doodle lake ,, 4x4 climb up to ridge and follow 2 lane track ,,, goes over towards the trestle bridge ,, there called Corona Pass ,, goes into Winter Park ... Have been up and over these ridges many times over the '70's thru '90's ,, have never seen structures of ancient times other than many rough lean-to's used by hunters ... and probably Sasquatch groupies trying to get attention started ..
Found another one of these sites on cottonwood pass peak today driving home. Only knew what it was because this video showed up in my feed a little over a week ago!
Not sure if this is the same site but hiking the Colorado trail in 2018 I was able to see similar ones. The one I saw said they would drive the game up into a very narrow valley and engage them from behind blinds above the rock face.
I remember back in the day when archeologists said prehistoric peoples and megafauna were never at high altitudes in Colorado. Used to find gorgeous black obsidian flakes near Echo lake.
Huh. I never heard of these "rock walls". I've seen them before, most recently while heading up Mt Ida in RMNP. Never occurred to me what they might be.
There are prehistoric rock walls in California in the hills just east of Oakland. They weren’t built by the Indians. They were there before they got here. They don’t know who built them.
The rock walls are all over the west.... Nevada and Oregon too. Mainstream archeologists say the current tribal people or Basque herders built them, no artifacts are recovered near them. These walls typically start at an outcropping of rock and head too a water source, 3' high x 3' wide. Very few have any hunting blinds nearby. What they demarcate, only our ancestors know.
@@benartie3904 The article I read is that the Indian’s that we know of here or basque’s built them. They said they predate any peoples that they know of. Perhaps a group that lived here 20,000 years ago. Clovis man died out here too in the great cataclysm that occurred about 12,000 years ago.
Tough, tough people. Walk in, as a multi-family group, set up camp nearby and spend a few days waiting for game to come through. While you’re waiting, you work on building the blinds. Once game was taken, you immediately switch to satisfying the hunger that had plagued you for days. Once hunger is placated, you switch to harvesting and drying the meat. Repeat next season or in a few days.
You mean, sitting here where they sat gives you a real sense of what life was like back then. Because they had to kill in order to eat, was extremely challenging.
Uni of Wyoming determined 9 k years BP natives lived year round above 9000 ft in the Wind Rivers. They could do that because it was 3+ degrees warmer than today.
No wind means no scent distribution. No wind means the animals didn't smell the humans until they were too close. Would have been good to know which direction the prevailing wind was while you were filming.
I hope Rollins Pass will be protected from pavement and further development, and that restrictions willbe placed on off-road motor recreation and total vehicle traffic.
I am native American. This guy doesn’t understand back then not too long ago. There was a lot of animals game. It was tough hunting and a different way we grew crops plus hunted where we were in tune with our land. Did not need modern things back then now we do.
I think it’s because he’s talking about paleo people. They lived here 15 to 30,000 years ago. So probably no one knows exactly how much game was around.
@@coloradoelkhunter7367 are people passed on stories. My mom did my grandparents only in the fall. When the snakes can’t hear they say there was a lot of animals. and we are the Paleo people.
It took most the video just to get there. Very poorly done and speaker appears to lack knowledge on his subjects. Kind of like a typical tourist wanting to cover his trip expenses.
Kindly, Aztlan , mazatlan, atlan, tecnocticlan are ancient Aztec cities with the Greek word Atlantis/atlantic . I held 2 pipestone fetish horses found on the 700 AD pit house ruins in woodruff butte az . There are many many evidences pointing to the Book of Mormon.
Thank you for using Native Americans instead of ," Indians"... Indegenous/Aboriginal peoples of North America are not, "Indians" as we are Native/ indigenous/Aboriginal to the North American Continent not the sub continent of India/ Asia.
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You should check out the stone huts in Crestone Colorado. They're 10,000 years old. It's crazy. It's an archeological site, but no one is ever there, and you can just walk up and check them out. There in the foothills of the mountain, you might need to ask a local where to find them, there in the woods maybe 15 minutes walk from the road, not too far, but you need to know where to park and where to walk. You can find them on the map online, but it's a little tricky foot. Crestone is a weird place, it's full of strangeness and high weirdness, the whole valley, really.
Lol, the first thing I do when somebody says this is unsubscribe.
I am a Colorado native and only recently really started diving into our pre-history history. This is so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to make the video!
I was born in the year that Byron Olson recorded this site (1967). When I grew up he taught me to be a Colorado Archaeologist. I consider myself extremely lucky to have been trained by him.To have spent quality time with him. And I miss him.
That’s amazing. You are truly blessed!
They would sit the bowl there and wait for the animal to come by and graze in the field. As they filled in the field they would choose which side of the rock lines to crawl along as they grazed. Moving slowly, they use the rocks for cover as the prey will be looking up for predators. Once they are in line they will signal to initiate an “ambush” upon the unsuspecting prey. Working together with what they had as tools and one another while learning new ways to adapt to their ever changing environment. Really cool video thanks for sharing that. So awesome to see man’s mind working in the past as we analyze what they left for us.
Wow, beautiful! Those are genius! They were healthier than most people today! There is nothing like food cooked outside, especially when you hunt it, it's fresh, you are with your loved ones, and you are hungry! Life must have been fabulous, no matter how difficult! Thank you for this great video!
As a teen, in the 90's, I walked from Nederland to Rollinsville and then all the way to the top of the pass! It took over twelve hours but worth it! My friends were already up there camping and I had one of the most memorable weekends of my life!
Incredible!
@@Mikeinthetrees1 That's a long walk, man! I know the area well.
I grew up in the 90’s in Boulder & in Ned & it was like some kind of magical J. R. R. Tolkien Reality we lived everyday, going on adventures camping & climbing, including Rollins Pass before the tunnel collapsed, wouldn’t trade that experience for the world.. Really sad that it collapsed, but it was like some kind of poetic justice that it did right when the state was really starting to suffer from all the new armchair quarterback East Coast Family Guy implantees destroying everything Colorado including our Way of Life we all loved.. (I’m not jealous, no lol😂)..😅
Never underestimate the power of the human mind driven by hunger.
Very cool video! Thank you.
And cooperation. Kill sites like these, but with bison, in Wyoming, were found to have killed and butchered huge amounts of bison at a time, in the hundreds. Enough that it seems almost a surety that these were more widely dispersed groups of people, coming together seasonally to cooperate to take advantage of the migrations of large herds. So the number of hunters, as well as the time frame these structures were built over, might be far in excess of what one might think possible in that age.
@@davidgreenwood6029 Agreed.
Shortly after the commonly accepted discovery of the New world, in the early 1500s European explorers sailed up and down the east coast of North America looking for suitable settlement sites. They reported back the same thing time and time again in their ships logs and records, that the entire coast was densely covered with indigenous people's villages, towns and cities with little room for new settlements.
Sadly within 50 years it's estimated that over 90% of these North American people died from European diseases including smallpox and as simple as influenza and common cold viruses, that the people of the Americas had no immunity too. In the second half of the 1500s explorers found completely empty villages, towns and cities with plenty of room for European settlements.
Very sad but true¹.
¹Reference, the book "1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus." by Charles C. Mann
My first time over Rollins Pass was in the early 1960s as a teen, it was a popular destination to take visitors up through the needles eye tunnel and across the trestles to the pass and a great area to follow mining roads on the dirt bikes of the day. It was a sad day when I heard the tunnel had collapsed. These stone ruins were unknown to me until your video just now, very interesting and I enjoyed the views I haven't seen for a few decades, thanks for posting.
Glad you were able to experience the state in a simpler time!
Thank you for watching.
I absolutely HATED the needle eye tunnel, and the whole of that pass. But I was a small child, stuck in the back seat of the red and white Toyota land cruiser that my father bought a year or so after we moved to Boulder in '62. He drove us to places that were absolutely terrifying, and all we could do was slide to the mountain side of the car so the weight wouldn't drag us over the edge. I remember going to the needle eye, and at that time, you could drive across the trestle (wooden, as I recall) IF you were out of your mind, or you could walk across it. I got about ten feet out and looked through the cracks and went straight back and waited for the family to come back.
I also recall seeing a couple of trains down at the bottom of the hill, there. Man, the things that stay with you for decades!
@@willmorrison1022 We moved to Boulder in '57 when I was 10, that your dad had an early Land Cruiser is pretty darn cool. A lot of things were a bit scary as a child but as far as those trestles were concerned, I figured if they could hold a train, we were okay . I remember how apprehensive I was walking out on the Royal Gorge Bridge the first time... Boulder Canyon was a wonderful 'park' in those days before the hippies moved in and took it over, I grew up where the Senior Citizens Center is now by the Library, our playground was from Central Park to the mouth of the canyon and all of Flagstaff mountain, What an amazing town it was and a great place to be a kid...Thanks for the reply.
@@markmark2080 Very fun! You moved to Boulder a year before I was born. I had to wait until I was 4.
The fun thing about the land cruiser is telling the guys at the Toyota place that you had one. They almost fall over in jealousy. When my Dad got tired of it, he sold it to a friend of the next door neighbor's, who painted it, and for all I know, his son is still driving it around now. They built those things like tanks, back then.
Do you know where Fraiser Meadows manor is? Right on Sioux Drive between Mohawk and the foothills highway? My house was right across the street from there. We crossed Thunderbird Road (Now the Foothills parkway) to go to junior high on the other side. No one thought about giving US a walkway over the road, no sir. Hell, it was just a 2 lane dirt road, back then. Oh, and town ENDED at my back yard. There was one house behind us, all the way to 36. It was the Cronick's house, and Betty was on the city council.
Ah, the good old days! Town would shut down for football games. The 88Cent store was down on Pearl, long before the mall was even thought of. Before the Safeway on Baseline was built.
I spent 7 years playing at Fred's down on the mall, it was where I grew up and learned how to play guitar and about a thousand tunes, playing with Fred. Sure miss that old bugger!
Man, I feel old! Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
@@willmorrison1022 You lived real close to the old Flatirons Ice skating rink and Thunderbird Lanes, a location of many 'teen' events in my HS days. I knew that area well as my very first job in 1959/60 was dropping off Daily Camera paper bundles to the paperboys in SE Boulder before I got my first paper route thru the CU campus, and although we went to BHS, most of the girls we ran with were from old Fairview HS by Baseline lake... I remember when McDs opened just N of Walnut on 28th. I remember when the train still came into the depot at 14th and Water St. (Canyon Blvd) and I once got to ride in the engine while the engineer moved some cars up between Broadway and 9th. I worked at the Joyces Supermarket near BHS and it was always cool to go into the Liquor Mart in later years and recall those times decades earlier. You, being into music perhaps recall the glory days of KIMN Radio (check out the YT video 'Bruce and Terry - Fabulous KIMN Jingle'). My best friend and I managed to sneak in to see the Beatles in '64, half hour before they came on, so many memories...cheers.
The more I learn about Native Americans, the more amazed I am. Thank you for sharing this with me.
I’m confused by the term “native” Americans. I was born here, I’m a native. I have no ethnic connection to the tribal peoples, and frankly the term “native” American discounts the right of ever American born here to a homeland. It needs to change. As a descendant of European immigrants who fled religious persecution, I feel unwelcome in my own home. There’s a sore loser attitude that is pervasive amongst the native blooded peoples
@@Ndw1995 Did you see George Carlins take on Indians. He said that's what they were called, even if wrongly so. The "native" dosn't work either. Indeginous, ehh, I don't know. I grew up by "the Rez" east of San Diego, Viejas, Baron Long Kumeyaay, Dieguito Indians. It was rough then, now they have the huge casino/hotel resort. Good for them.
@@Ndw1995words have meanings, native in this case means first inhabitants, I’m not sure what kind of mind gymnastics you have to play to think you are “native” to a settler colonial state
@@konaken1035I usually use the term "Native American Indian". Although I like when Carlin said, "so what should we call them? How about Cherokee, Choctaw, Arapahoe, Blackfoot, Dinè, Lakota, Comanche, Apache, Inuit, etc.."
Native American" was coined by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Carlin says the term "indios" was used by Columbus not because he thought he was in India, but because he thought the native people existed in a state of grace with God, in Dio, Latin for God.
@@ultrainstinctgarfield2661Well, "Native Americans" was first used by the anti immigration crowd in the early to mid 1800s. There's that flag that said "Native.Americans. Beware Of Foreign.Influence", with backwards N's. It was used by the Know Nothing Party. The term meant white protestants born in America first, then the Bureau of Indian Affairs used it way later. Don't even get me started on the Solutrean Hypothesis and Clovis Points and DNA testing.
Beauty of the life !!! But my friend Colorado is beautiful….
I appreciate your history lesson with the visual of these ancient Indian methods for hunting. There is a similar wall near Monarch Pass along the CDT, only accessible by hiking to it.
That’s why it’s called the Indian peaks! Fascinating Colorado paleo history. For those interested in further studies of these high alpine archaic and paleo natives lookup Barger gulch (earliest structures in americas), the Albion complex and points, and cross nearby Arapaho pass to caribou lake, another paleo archeological site! These blinds are there too, but if you don’t know about them you’ll walk right on by! Thanks for showing this beautiful site I was unaware of it but was just in the area!
I will make a video about Barger Gulch. Fascinating site!
@@Mikeinthetrees1 that would be a great video, that whole area is pretty cool.
Cool. Ive found them in every High Sierra pass. I thought them skiers shelters. A ranger told me that they were actually stone age blinds that they believed hunters used to ambush critters coming through the passes.
Very fascinating stuff!
@@Mikeinthetrees1 Yep. They are discovering that humans have been in North America far longer than they thought possible. They have found cave drawings in Indonesia that date back over 50,000 years. And those people migrated to the America’s. These people that built these walls may not even be related to the modern Native American Indians.
Stay in the trees Mike, shit is getting weird. Thanks for this cool history lesson.
Well dang, I worked on that Forest for two seasons and was up on Rollins Pass like a dozen times and I never knew those were there. That is so cool. Thanks for the video.
I was near there just a few weeks ago. I had no idea of the history! Absolutely amazing.
As someone who has had a strong interest in Native American history, I am astounded that these constructs exist here. Living in Colorado, this is the first time I have heard of this on Rollins Pass! thank you.
Wow, never knew. Didn't get all the way up back in the day in my old painter van. Challenging. Wish I did. Thanks for the great story Mike! A final shout out to my old friend who lived in and loved the area, now passed. Norman Raymond. Miss you brother.
There are well formed cirques in the background. I have also read that there are some winter time paleo sites up high because the cold air, being denser, sank to the valleys so that it was actually warmer in the higher elevations.
I have been up Rollins Pass many times and never knew about these. Next time I will be on the lookout for them!
Up past the closed road section at the lookout. On the ridge to the right.
Wow, excellent view of the ancient walls and hides.
Why people aren't more interested in archaeology baffles me.
Along certain trails and in some mountainous regions of Colorado you can find these things called Wickiups: little stick formations built up around a tree or sometimes a rock. My mom would point them out to me and I thought they were just kids making forts in the woods, but actually they were in fact real native American structures. Essentially they were temporary tents built for hunters to provide some shelter from rain and wind, and ever since I learned about them, I haven't seen a single one which is a shame.
Not uncommon in certain areas on Navajo lands.
Oh wow! I have been kicking around that area since 97. Never knew these were ancient ruins. Thought they were more modern.
Such an amazing vision of the native Americans looking out on those same peaks. No different than us. I know they had to be looking around and thinking how beautiful it was.
I’m sure they loved it up there! It’s human nature.
That’s rad man! I never knew this. Thanks for sharing!
Was I was just there driving around on the 4th and had no idea that these were that old! That’s awesome they are so well preserved.
Arrgghh! I just got back from Colorado today and was hiking in the mountains. I see a lot of rock formations up there and might have walked right passed one!
Theyre everywhere in CO. Theyre all over the mountains here in boulder county.
Whole region basically from New Mexico to the Dakotas, to Utah, Nevada, Montana, Idaho
I had no idea. I need to learn more about these sites. Is there a comprehensive resource to find maps of these?
Learned about this 3 yrs ago living in winter park got to go see them for myself super cool
Great video thanks for making it!
So cool! Thank you!
Thank you.
great video. thanks for making
Have u found any projectile or spear points there?
No. It would be impossible without extensive archaeological excavations. They found most of the relics back when they did so.
The blinds also buffered human scent. Great efforts were made bringing the game harvest down.
There is a great set on Niwot ridge. You can lie down in the depression and really feel the history.
very cool very epic
Thanks for the tour.
popping up out of a blind and trying to spear a prey animal like an Elk would be way harder than you can imagine. I have seen herds of Elk run almost straight up the side of a mountain so fast no human could catch them. even gravely wounded by a rifle they are gone in a heartbeat.
Very cool! I had no idea these ancient signs could be found around there. I spent a lot of time hiking those Front Range mountains including a x-country ski over of Rollins Pass to Winter Park in about 1973. And nowadays, like you, I look for ancient stuff though I'm about 700miles to the SW.
Gonna bike up there this weekend, any suggestions?
Awesome
There are a few very well preserved ones near crystal lake at the top of Ophir pass too.
As far as I remember those appeared in my lifetime.
It is well known that early Eskimo tribes used rock walls and intermittent piles of rocks to guide game animals like caribou. These migrating animals moving in herds would follow these man made structures, enabling hunters to strategically ambush members for food resources. Several late paleoindian sites contain caribou remains. The Holcomb site in South Eastern Michigan had an anklebone from a woodland caribou dated approximately 10k years ago. A series of rock piles in the bottom of Lake Huron is also believed to be similar as a game rock trail dating to when Lake Huron was at a lower water stage, allowing game hunting like that used by arctic hunters. It appears that as late, paleo indian cultures survived after the great maga fauna extinctions that these people resorted to bison hunting in the southwest and Caribou hunting in northern latitudes. This site at such a high elevation would be likely to duplicate such a cold environment during that time period. It's an amazingly interesting site!
Awesome video, thank you.
Good video. I liked and subscribed. I hope that you carry a good survival kit for yourself and a repair kit for your truck. Good Luck, Rick
That I do! Thanks.
Monarch Pass has similar features just north of the ski area.
Very cool!
Anyone have a Lat / Lon for this location? Did the OP drive up from the east side or west side of the pass?
I cannot share the coordinates on here due to vandals. If you check out the top of Rollins pass on google earth they will reveal themselves though!
Great video, I'll have to visit this area soon.
BTW- if my 7th grade education serves me right, I believe the teepee drag poles were called a travois.
Learned this today THNX
Awesome video brotha 👍 I have been there and live near it but never knew what those formations were. Thx!
I drove a F-250 that had the box removed and replaced with a 12 passenger seating arrangement. It had an emergency tarp for protection in case of a tiny snow-balls from hell (snow-pellets) summer shower. I focused on the Moffat and other facets of Grand County history as well as some geology. I probably drove right past those structures not realizing their antiquity or dismissing as permafrost relics. In the case of my job the focus was on that 4wd road and trying to smooth the ride as much as possible.
That sounds like quite the rig! Must have been quite some fun situations with that.
They are very well hidden up at the very peak on the right of the road (headed east at the top).
I’m glad I could bring it to light for you!
@@Mikeinthetrees1 I was doing that before the pine-beetle and the expansion of resort property development. A lot has changed since then.
For the history of the Railroad "Rails that Climb" (Bollinger. 1979) and "Island in the Rockies" (Black, 1969) for Grand County history.
I should check those things out.
When was this? I was in Ned 1993-2005.
My Dad's and old stomping ground. We would go every summer past King lake, Betty and Bob lakes hike over the saddle to Skyline resevoir, which we thought was Woodland lake. Spend the night and hike out the next day. 1960 ish to 1975 ish. Now I am sorry we never noticed the artifacts.
Thanks for posting! I'd love to visit this site... are you able to provide more info on how to reach it?
Can you drive down the west side of Rollins now? It must dump out at around Winter Park???
Still closed at tunnel. This is from west side.
..It can be done with 4x4 .. Going west ,, before Needle eye tunnel at Yankee Doodle lake ,, 4x4 climb up to ridge and follow 2 lane track ,,, goes over towards the trestle bridge ,, there called Corona Pass ,, goes into Winter Park ... Have been up and over these ridges many times over the '70's thru '90's ,, have never seen structures of ancient times other than many rough lean-to's used by hunters ... and probably Sasquatch groupies trying to get attention started ..
Found another one of these sites on cottonwood pass peak today driving home. Only knew what it was because this video showed up in my feed a little over a week ago!
Where about? I will go check it out!
Blocking the wind also keeps the game animals from smelling you when you are hiding, if they are approaching from downwind
Certainly!
A pile of rocks won't block scent from downwind animals 😅
Yeah a pile of rocks does squat to human scent. They still had to have the wind right. Just like we do now, even with all our technology..
Any estimate of how tall the walls were when they were being used?
Not sure if this is the same site but hiking the Colorado trail in 2018 I was able to see similar ones. The one I saw said they would drive the game up into a very narrow valley and engage them from behind blinds above the rock face.
I know there are many more around the state! Cool find.
Wow this is great! Leaving sub ❤❤❤❤
I remember back in the day when archeologists said prehistoric peoples and megafauna were never at high altitudes in Colorado. Used to find gorgeous black obsidian flakes near Echo lake.
I actually deer hunted near that area. I wish I had known about these structures then.
Huh. I never heard of these "rock walls". I've seen them before, most recently while heading up Mt Ida in RMNP. Never occurred to me what they might be.
There are prehistoric rock walls in California in the hills just east of Oakland. They weren’t built by the Indians. They were there before they got here. They don’t know who built them.
Perhaps the Clovis or Folsom cultures?
The rock walls are all over the west.... Nevada and Oregon too. Mainstream archeologists say the current tribal people or Basque herders built them, no artifacts are recovered near them. These walls typically start at an outcropping of rock and head too a water source, 3' high x 3' wide. Very few have any hunting blinds nearby. What they demarcate, only our ancestors know.
@@benartie3904 The article I read is that the Indian’s that we know of here or basque’s built them. They said they predate any peoples that they know of. Perhaps a group that lived here 20,000 years ago. Clovis man died out here too in the great cataclysm that occurred about 12,000 years ago.
I have been up there numerous times and have property not too far from there. I never knew about this.
Tough, tough people. Walk in, as a multi-family group, set up camp nearby and spend a few days waiting for game to come through. While you’re waiting, you work on building the blinds. Once game was taken, you immediately switch to satisfying the hunger that had plagued you for days. Once hunger is placated, you switch to harvesting and drying the meat. Repeat next season or in a few days.
Incredible isn’t it!
I thought that intro music was gonna be “Take Me Home Tonight”
You mean, sitting here where they sat gives you a real sense of what life was like back then. Because they had to kill in order to eat, was extremely challenging.
That is fuckin amazing... that earned you a sub
Uni of Wyoming determined 9 k years BP natives lived year round above 9000 ft in the Wind Rivers. They could do that because it was 3+ degrees warmer than today.
No wind means no scent distribution. No wind means the animals didn't smell the humans until they were too close. Would have been good to know which direction the prevailing wind was while you were filming.
If I got this I would not ever come back
I assume this is heading up from the west side?
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Timberline was not at the same elevation 10k+ years ago
who unwalled da walls? or why were da walls unfinished?
They come apart naturally over time.
I hope Rollins Pass will be protected from pavement and further development, and that restrictions willbe placed on off-road motor recreation and total vehicle traffic.
Agreed!
It is too bad that you promote restrictions that would prevent Americans with disabilities from seeing this beautiful scenery
@@Thomas-im4vf I'e been through this before. If you hae a disability, you may not be able to do everything.
have
I see a lot of videos with stayed ages in the thousands of years.
Always have to remember that these are pure guesses.
There is a large difference between a pure guess and an interpretation based on evidence
It was more difficult to kill what you eat than to eat what you kill🤔
Buffalo, maybe Antalope hunting?
My backyard
It’s incredible out there!
10 000 years and minimal impact on the environment. We come along and trash the the place with rustbelt after rustbelt in 500 years
Amazing isn’t it?
Look up "constructs"!
I am native American. This guy doesn’t understand back then not too long ago. There was a lot of animals game. It was tough hunting and a different way we grew crops plus hunted where we were in tune with our land. Did not need modern things back then now we do.
I think it’s because he’s talking about paleo people. They lived here 15 to 30,000 years ago. So probably no one knows exactly how much game was around.
@@coloradoelkhunter7367 are people passed on stories. My mom did my grandparents only in the fall. When the snakes can’t hear they say there was a lot of animals. and we are the Paleo people.
@@richarddanks4883 Paleolithic is a measurement of time bud. ✌️
@@coloradoelkhunter7367 Bro, sit this one out...
I guess they weren't vegans like my sister.
Your sister is from the planet Vega?
My Tundra struggle! You need lessons kid
I’d love some!
I solved my problem with my 2016 TUNDRA.. never liked it.. gave it to my daughter.
I still have my 2000 4Runner 5 speed. Far superior to a TUNDRA.
Can you cite your sources?
www.researchgate.net/figure/Representative-example-of-a-hunting-blind-at-the-Olson-site-Blind-located-in-the_fig12_257453682
Buddy mute the wind while you’re talking over a clip Christ
that looks like a terrible hunting plan... probably just shelters
They were into badminton in a big way.
It took most the video just to get there. Very poorly done and speaker appears to lack knowledge on his subjects. Kind of like a typical tourist wanting to cover his trip expenses.
Kindly, Aztlan , mazatlan, atlan, tecnocticlan are ancient Aztec cities with the Greek word Atlantis/atlantic . I held 2 pipestone fetish horses found on the 700 AD pit house ruins in woodruff butte az . There are many many evidences pointing to the Book of Mormon.
I'm guessing... only if you're mormon.
Thank you for using Native Americans instead of ," Indians"... Indegenous/Aboriginal peoples of North America are not, "Indians" as we are Native/ indigenous/Aboriginal to the North American Continent not the sub continent of India/ Asia.
"having to eat what you kill must have been extraordinarly challenging" What? Uh......people still do that.