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Tzeench:"aw yes everything is going according to plan heheh" "Uhhh so that emperor dude, his son Guilliman woke up" Tzeench: "huh...well..shit..new plan"
Majorkill complains that Abaddon has massive plot armor for surviving crazy shit, however so far Majorkill has survived Australia so who has the real plot armor
Speaking of Primarch's speed, I remember a moment in the novel Godblight where Guilliman, some elite Ulramarines, and some Custodes infiltrated a Deathguard cruiser and were basically destroying it from the inside out. There was a part where Guilliman just charged at a defensive line of Deathguard marines and his Custodian bodyguards were unable to keep up with him, and the shield captain was panicking because he was ordered to be by Guilliman's side at all times. Guilliman also partly did it because the Custodes captain was annoyingly overbearing, and he wanted to troll him a little.
Yeah im actually reading godblight atm and im about halfway through. Guilliman was getting bored of standing in the back and was also getting kinda antsy in general and wanted to blow off some steam. I liked Guilliman having to explain his rationale and he ended it with "cause i wanna" lol. And yeah he was so fast he was clearing chaos dudes way infront of the custodians. I was kinda worried cause it was a reckless way to get his men accidentally killed trying to back him up but as one said to Colquan, he doesnt need protecting XD
Baneblade weighs around 300 tons, so its on the same scale with Angron holding a titan. But later in the heresy Vulcan caught several hundred tons piece of wall, falling from at least 50 meters. And using Ep=mgh he got hit with a force of 5mil Newtons or 5 thousand fucking tons. Thanks to the big E for the regeneration, otherwise his knees would be fucked
@@Memelord1117sounds about right. Seems like the absolute physically strongest characters in war hammer top out around 100 k tons mark or less. Not counting the supernatural beings like the chaos gods (who are incorporeal) or the void dragon etc.
7:26 Sanguinius didn’t exactly tank Angron’s sword… he took the piercing it and killed Angron, but the wound was slowly killing him. It was not closing even in the Emperor’s presence and it was also warp poisoned. Also want to say this about Guilliman. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman was in his office awaiting the return of one of his sons from Calth, he waved him and his squad through security. He had been very stressed running Ultramar and just wanted someone to talk to. So the squad arrives in his office chamber and Guilliman asks them to take off their helmet so he can see the faces of his sons who fought on Calth, they were hesitant. Guilliman realized that they weren’t who they said they were a fraction of a second before the shooting started. The Alpha Legion squad put up a good fight and got a few shots off into unarmored Guilliman, they died all the same, but this had a legitimate chance of actually killing him and Guilliman was gravely wounded. The Alpha Legion caught Guilliman when he was off his game and overworked and came in under the guise of a trusted friend.
Always like seeing Guilliman, who is considered "boring" , doing awesome shit. Like when he rushed a Death Guard defense line so quick that even his Custodes bodyguards were in shock
It also likely to Remind that Custodes even for a "Normal" Primarch like Guilliman who was no Melee specialist like his brothers are still above than to the Custodes
He's like the nerdy boyscout. He can help you with your homework, and your best hope of survival when you're lost in a forest. I just like the meme characterization of him being a cute dork. He doesn't recognise Yvraine's flirting, he puts his focus on his projects, and he keeps naming things Ultra cause he likes it. Just imagine him speaking like he has braces on. Yvraine: "Guilliman, would you like to come upstairs with me?" RG: "If I must." Yvraine: "Have you brought protection?" RG: "Why, what's up there?"
The reference in the primarch speed rating was in reference to Garro and Dorn: For context this is when Garro was trying to tell Dorn of Horus' betrayal. As they argue, Dorn is explicitly observed to be like lightning, knocking Garro down with a punch *when he was holding back*. To think that Dorn may actually be a *slower* Primarch due to his nature and preference for fortitude, that's really bloody fast
I don't think Dorn was on the list of the slow primarchs. Eventually, he split Alpharius's head in half and sliced Fulgrim so bad, that the rapesnake rage quit siege of Terra
@@argeltal_thewordbearer Dorn the Builder is a underrated Fighter (for a Primarch) After all, he´s the only Loyalist Primarch that killed a Traitor for good.
The weirdest ones also landed on the weirdest places. Magnus, Vulkan and Sanguinius are special, perhaps, for having strange physical traits from the begining.
@@seanyoung9014 i think that Guilliman would bring Nostramo to the age of democracy and law and Conrad would simply inherit Connor's title and become insane, Neron-like Rome emperor in 40th millenia
I think when the gifts are not obvious they have things to make up for them. It's made pretty clear for instance that Dorn is the greatest strategic genius among his brothers and only pert is in his league. So they all have things to balance them out.
He kinda popped up out of nowhere as a mary-sue-ish plot device. I like the idea of him, but I'd appreciate it if they leaned a little further into the fact that he is literally an assortment of gifted individuals and A.I.s) collected over the millennia and as such is more of a subfaction than a character. I understand that that's basically their lore, but they treat him more like an individual character, and all the other minds in their are treated as assets rather than vital components of the whole. Roughly...I think they should lean into the Shard aspect of him more...show a little more of the hundreds of other gifted scientists that comprise the bulk that is Cawl.
6:23 TTS Magnus: "Hello brother, how's your 10,000 years of beauty sleep?" TTS Roboute Guilliman: "Magnus, what are you doing here?!" TTS Magnus: "What? Can't I give my returning brother a hug?"
Primarchs on the Lore: *hold up titans, supplex Bloodthirsters, outrun Custodians, kills squads of Astartes with their bare hands* Primarchs on the Table: *Get pinged to death by guardsmen in a single shooting phase*
As another note on primarch speed, Sanguinius and Angron were clashing their weapons together so fast during the siege that it sounded like a continuous noise without any breaks, and at one point Fulgrim smashes through a window and is on the ground running before the sound of the glass shattering can reach his ears.
Honestly, it depends how you want to define power. Perturabo can rip off a marine's armour with his bare hands. Fulgrim shrugged off a face breaking attack from Perturabo and started healing instantly, what should have taken months took hours. Fulgrim took a mastercrafted thunder hammer to the face, was only knocked out. Guilliman was exposed to hard vacuum for awhile, and only had minor frostbite. Sanguinius had his back broken, got better. Vulkan got killed like 47 times, got better.
I forget which book its in, but theres a scene where Pertorabo smashes Fulgrins face into a table repeatedly. Perty was impressed with how fast Fulgrim was healing after.
"Angel Exterminatus" I guess. He first smashed his face with miniature titan he made himself, then beat his face with full power wearing full power armour. Pretty sure i recall him repeatedly asking "Why r u gae" with thick Ugandan accent
I think a video on the other faction's titan equivalents might be good. Like what a bio-titan is and how it compares to imperial titans for example, or whatever the dark eldar have that comes closest.
3:33 Just to give Angron a bit more credit on this. More force is generated from a step than dead weight. If you stand on a scale and stomp the weight goes up pass your actual weight. Also with the gears in the legs using motors to generate leverage this GREATLY increases the downward pressure. Basically, enduring a stomp from a titan would be like having 50 titans just casually standing on each other's shoulders while the lowest one casually stands on you, at least for the duration that pressure is being applied. So if the Titan's motors were driving the gears to push that leg down along with gravity and momentum onto Angron, he was resisting a pressure greater than 400 tons.
He was coming at them so fast they froze in fear. I had to chuckle at this. Also, I don't know if you have had a chance to read the next to last of the Horus Heresy books. But in the book they finally reveal what the terminus decree is. Might make for a good update to your terminus decree video.
@@Helis431 It has been a long running secret in 40K. It is instructions on what to do IF the empire is absolutely about to fall. It was left by Malcador the sigilite to the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights. I believe he is the only one who knows about it. Also there have been many theories about what the decree is. None that I have seen have done the decree any justice in terms of how devastating it actually is.
What was each primarchs retirement plan for after the great crusade? Like how Guilliman said he wanted to become a Farmer and that Perty wanted to go build stuff
The warp god theory is just such a cool idea. It really makes so much of the absurdity of the primarchs make sense and even explain some weird chapter characteristics too ( looking at you my favorite sons of sanguinius.) Great vid as always.
To me it's not just a cool idea,but it seems to be the only plausible one too. It is implied somewhere that Sanguinius has a twin warp-god soul for example. Also, it explains why the Emperor treats them as he does - sometimes with affection and sometimes just as tools and why he seems to like some more than others. Big E and probably Malc are the only ones who truly know what they are, so by analysing these interactions we can get closer to the truth. They are his sons on a biological level, but weapons and tools on a metaphysical level.
@Kenneth Hernandez I think Big E wanted some kind of "equals" to himself, sparring partners if you will. I read that he got fed up with the other perpetuals who did not share his vision and foresight and perhaps wanted "sons" to replace his lost group of perpetuals. The only equals in terms of soul and intellect/vision would be warp gods. Not necessarily chaos gods, but benevolent warp gods, mirroring the more wholesome aspects of humanity. I also think Big E was genuinely not counting on the primarchs getting scattered as he seems to have changed his plans significantly when it happened.
Maybe Vashtorr was Perturabo's soul God. It explains why Perty just understood machines, and it seems Vash knows a secret of big E. If it was he made a deal with Warp beings this makes sense of Abbadon's reaction.
*Spoiler warning* Yeah Angron might have been durable enough to tank all those shots but he couldn't tank getting the nails ripped out or as was just discovered GETTING THE EMPEROR'S SHIELD THROUGH THE HEAD! Also here is my usual asking for a Major Mini for Commissar Yarrick please.
To be fair he’s less durable as a daemon because the way the warp works. The lion bashing his head with a shield will do more damage to angron than before he ascended
@@AdeptKing in the supposed leaks, the lion and angron fought a lengthy battle but the lion won when angron was on the ground and he bashed his shield onto angrons head
That's why I'm subscribing to Majorkill's theory that the primarchs are minor warp gods stuffed into mini emperors. It would explain why the loyalist's plot armor is thicker than the traitor's
03:30 If you can hop on one foot you can use one leg to apply significantly more force than your weight. Stomping is a very similar motion for the individual leg, i.e. both are like an "explosive" squat.
i like how you put it that the emperor walked into the warp and came out with 20 different warp gods and spliced them into his dna making them . that makes a lot more sense now. i imagined they were modeled after different civilizations like khan for the mongols but that only fits for a few primarchs
I think the clone of Fulgrim has his soul because it's the Laer Blade daemon possessing him, not necessarily because he was risen to daemonhood so I don't think that's broadly applicable to the other primarchs. I think it's more that the warp god in them gets enslaved to a particular god that weakens them a bit.
Absolutely love your content man, you introduced me to Warhammer as a whole and there is no one I'd rather learn about it from. You should do one about the guy in your outros.
i love that picture where the primarchs are just standing over a balcony. i always look towards angron and wonder what the fuck is he screaming about this time. while magnus gives him the raised one eye look likes hes worried about him lmao.
Can you do a video on Primarch traits focusing on if over the course of the last 10k years they have gained any new traits or lost existing ones? Could also Segway into the missing primarch traits like for example 11 was the jailor primarch who was a prince goro 4 armed animal with spider traits, while the second was the prototype for magnus to take a seat on one of the many warp gate thrones that are spread across the galaxy.
Obviously you have done their existing powers but seems like characters like the lion have some new warp spaghetti same with Corvus. Could they Adapt to fill the roles and gain traits of the primarchs that have died or been lost
Eddie Hall's deadlift was 500kg however holding weight above your head is way harder, his max for overhead press is 200kg. So Angron is ~2500 times stronger
The newest issue of White Dwarf has Angron tanking a direct hit at near point blank from a Warlord Titan's Plasma Annhilator, and he just reformed and one shot it. The durability of a Primarch is on another level.
Angron (or other daemon Primarchs) don't represent Primarch baseline, not once they get that Daemon tag anyhow. Still comedic to picture Angron glaring before being erased and respawning on the spot, still glaring at the Titan.
I'm glad you put a link in the description. So many people with their fancy phones and apps that can do a million things. My phone is an old flip phone. I can't do all that apps and scan codes thing. You truly speak to older, broke brothers like me. Thanks!
To be fair fulgrim apperantly knew he was going to be shot so we don't know how hurt he really was since he was trying to manipulate perturabo. So he might have been completely fine with a bullet to the head and just pretended it almost killed him
I had a really shit day at work but my bad mood literally disappeared when i saw that i get to drive home listening to a new video, thank you for your sense of humor bro i hope you always manage to stay so lighthearted
My guess is eventually it would have fell by now. Imo I think the emperor would be dead by now without the worship making him into effectively a god. I think the Imperium would have fallen as a result by now too.
@DefensiveMAN I dont know if he would've made it to the rift without the worship. Or for that matter the imperium. One or the other would have fallen so both would have
Vid idea: If all primarchs worked together could they kill big E? Doesn't matter the reason, maybe some imperial heresy or whatever, just in terms of raw power.
Defenetly if all of them tried. Magnus keeps the psykik bullshit from Big E to minimum and lets Sangy and Lion do the fighting and Korvus or Koraks stabs him in the back, there would honestly not be need for more then like 5 or 6 of them working togheter AS A TEAM to actually kill Big E.
Okay I do agree with half the primark's that sold their souls to hell for pretty stupid reasons except for mortarion who did it to save what was left of his legion that hadn't rotted and falling apart and to save himself because of his second-in-command selling their souls to good ol grandpa nurgle without them even knowing it
I partially agree with your headcanon theory on the souls of the primarchs, but my own tweak is that its 21 fragments of the Emperor's own godhood state. Hence when he burned through Horus completely, he burned away a portion of himself irrevocably as well
Vulkan isn’t invulnerable though, he’s like Kenny from South Park. He still feels pain and dies again and again. He’s Immortal but only in the sense that he will always come back. He could still be on the list.
As for the titan stomping on angron and physics. The initial blow can be heavier for the motion and effort of the leg being put in, but afterwards, no as you would step upwards if the force you were stomping could support you.
Magnus is easily one of the most powerful psykers in the verse he was able to ben multiple reality while ahriman whose weaker than him was able to rip the sun out of space and into the warp
you should do videos like this for some of the old world characters, main one i can think of is greasus goldtooth, seeing how strong he REALLY is and how much of his strength from the sky titan mace and how much is from himself same can go for wulfrik, archaeon, settra, tyrion, karl franz etc etc
Remember when people kinda joked that you be very malnourished for a custodies (obviously your perfectly healthy) they forgot you are trained in martial arts which shrinks your gains in return for being able to kick someone’s ass using skill
Sorry Mr Kill but you can exert more force than you weigh. Think someone weighing 200 pound benching 300, same logic applies to the Titan pushing his foot down on the Primarch. All together though, makes the Primarch even stronger and more badass. 3:25
@@ryansullivan7349 in the new books of omen i think they said he is a demon primarch but that is just hearsay cuz i didnt read it, we need more info on this topic.
In regards to Demon Primarchs also going down more often consider that they don't truly die if they fall like loyalist Primarchs (beside their soul). So the risk is higher for loyalist primarchs. The added pressure would give them an edge.
I don't think the 20 Primarch are just any warp gods the Big E captured and then put into his mini clones (Thanks Erda) I think he went into the Warp, steal or bargain the power of the 4 warp gods for himself, fracture his own souls purposely into different aspect of himself and then he put them into these mini clones to grow. I'm also sure one of these missing Primarch must have his cave-man aspect.
The power of a chaos god separated from it, its essentially a chaos daemon. Better to try and rescue wathever chaos hasnt devoured already than bringing chaos daemons into flesh and bone.
Nah, the missing primarc is his 'reasonable' aspect and that primarc was like "...uh i see the way this shit is going" and he noped the fuck out to live in peace somewhere lol
Alternatively throughout history and prehistory humans came in contact with the emperor and started worshiping him. So each is a warp god inherently connected to the emperor, because they formed from people worshiping him.
You can temporarily stamp with more force than you weight even without jumping or breaking contact, try it on a set of scales. As long as you accelerate your centre of mass you can generate a force
I think there's a good chance that if the Emperor did use minor warp gods then the ones he used were ancient gods of humanity. In the horus heresy novels they imply the emperor banished the demon known as Satan on earth in ancient times, and its implied that the old faiths were at least partly based on warp events. I feel like the emperor would have come to know some of the gods created by man in the warp, but as they began to wane in power due to a lack of faith he came to them with a deal. A way to live in the real world, like an inversion of the process which created the necrons. Maybe he got a power boost by taking in the warp god or gods who developed from the myths generated by him, and thats what begun his apotheosis. It could also mean Horus's minor warp God was the actual god Horus from Egyptian mythology.
That Gulliman vs Magnus art is like G-Man: "Your axe comes and lower, and Dad's Sword is gonna castrate you in a way your nerd warp powers can't regenerate." Magnus: "Brother...I do not share your need for Eldar girlfriends." G-Man: "Shit...that's a good point."
7:24 that was just khorne (or the warp/chaos in general) since demons are less vulnerable to guns compared to good ol' hand to hand combat (thats why sanguinius could kill angron in melee)
I think it would be really cool in 10th, for when they bring back demon fulgrim, if the reason for his return is that clone fulgrim is released/saved from trazyns collection. I can't think of a more fulgrim return than to be so abhorred, by this perfect uncorrupted version of himself walking about, that demon fulgrim comes to stop him out of narcissistic spite. Plus, clone fulgrim would make for a perfect imperial regent in the absence of Sanguinius. And now that the lion is back with guillieman, the opportunity to reform the triumvirate of imperium secundus but as the true imperium makes sense. With robute as administrator, lion as marshal and uncorrupted clone fulgrim as regent
Somebody please remind me of the story behind the Primarch slapping the Marine. Read it and told my fiend years ago and he asks me to try and remember it every gaming sesh we have and I havnt been able to since. Majorkill mentioning this gives me hope..help
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Maybe a how powerful is a space marine video next ?
Next video idea about malcador the sigillite
did you know? primarch = big man
Not powerful enough to not be chaos cucks
Another point on Primarchs warping fate is that Guillimans resurrection literally undid pretty much every existing prophecy out there.
Tzeench:"aw yes everything is going according to plan heheh"
"Uhhh so that emperor dude, his son Guilliman woke up"
Tzeench: "huh...well..shit..new plan"
@@jkee9760 Surely Tzeentch would never be sad he has to come up with a new plan. It'd be more like "huh...well.. yay new plan!".
Just thinking does this affect Dante’s reason to live
Prophecy? How about you say you're just gay
The chaos gods and many of the other big players were shocked by that too I think.
Majorkill complains that Abaddon has massive plot armor for surviving crazy shit, however so far Majorkill has survived Australia so who has the real plot armor
He's just become part of the wildlife, like a Catachan fighter
Abaddon would throw a rock at the ground and miss, it not even comparable.
@@Subject_Keter Even if the rock gets crushed into dust, he would still miss the ground
@@FuckingAbrekai It would start in his grasp and just teleport on the ground in 2 seconds lol
@@Subject_Keter You just gave me a mental image of Abaddon struggling with dementia while throwing a rock on the ground
Speaking of Primarch's speed, I remember a moment in the novel Godblight where Guilliman, some elite Ulramarines, and some Custodes infiltrated a Deathguard cruiser and were basically destroying it from the inside out. There was a part where Guilliman just charged at a defensive line of Deathguard marines and his Custodian bodyguards were unable to keep up with him, and the shield captain was panicking because he was ordered to be by Guilliman's side at all times. Guilliman also partly did it because the Custodes captain was annoyingly overbearing, and he wanted to troll him a little.
Yeah im actually reading godblight atm and im about halfway through. Guilliman was getting bored of standing in the back and was also getting kinda antsy in general and wanted to blow off some steam. I liked Guilliman having to explain his rationale and he ended it with "cause i wanna" lol. And yeah he was so fast he was clearing chaos dudes way infront of the custodians. I was kinda worried cause it was a reckless way to get his men accidentally killed trying to back him up but as one said to Colquan, he doesnt need protecting XD
If I remember correctly, Khan fking moves like a anime protagonist.
@@christbenitez8797 yeah, dude moved so fast that even orks ran away. He was killing them so fast they didn’t see the point of fighting.
@@christbenitez8797 ye and the only one to beat a deamon primarch morty with just speed hacks and sick lightning tricks
@@UnacceptedBySocietyArtist well, he basically became a blender and started doing this thing to the orks.
MajorKill really is my dealer when it comes to fueling my Primarch addiction
Same here
Yes
Especially dick jokes about Fulgrim.
Have you heard of Valrak? That's all he does and wears a tinfoil hat
You speak that like a man that has taken a load
6:21 Vulkan was just hiding in the deepest darkest corner of his room at Nocturne where he played Battlemace 42 Million to pass the time.
@@beneko1127 And talking with the skust of Ferrus Manus
@@jackmesrel4933 *you are w e a k, Vulcan*
Vulkan lives!!!
Stoomp stoomp!!!
I'm pretty sure the Khan can canonically A-train an Ork into a fine green mist.
“BRING ME ALL THE ORK YOU CAN FIND, *I WANT TO SE MY SON*”
You forgot the mention the time a superheavy battle tank was blocking a road meaning civilians couldn't get out so Vulcan just pushed it aside.
Baneblade weighs around 300 tons, so its on the same scale with Angron holding a titan. But later in the heresy Vulcan caught several hundred tons piece of wall, falling from at least 50 meters. And using Ep=mgh he got hit with a force of 5mil Newtons or 5 thousand fucking tons. Thanks to the big E for the regeneration, otherwise his knees would be fucked
@@argeltal_thewordbearer I'm pretty sure somewhere said that he could lift over 100,000 tons.
@@Memelord1117sounds about right. Seems like the absolute physically strongest characters in war hammer top out around 100 k tons mark or less. Not counting the supernatural beings like the chaos gods (who are incorporeal) or the void dragon etc.
7:26 Sanguinius didn’t exactly tank Angron’s sword… he took the piercing it and killed Angron, but the wound was slowly killing him. It was not closing even in the Emperor’s presence and it was also warp poisoned.
Also want to say this about Guilliman. In Unremembered Empire, Guilliman was in his office awaiting the return of one of his sons from Calth, he waved him and his squad through security. He had been very stressed running Ultramar and just wanted someone to talk to. So the squad arrives in his office chamber and Guilliman asks them to take off their helmet so he can see the faces of his sons who fought on Calth, they were hesitant. Guilliman realized that they weren’t who they said they were a fraction of a second before the shooting started. The Alpha Legion squad put up a good fight and got a few shots off into unarmored Guilliman, they died all the same, but this had a legitimate chance of actually killing him and Guilliman was gravely wounded. The Alpha Legion caught Guilliman when he was off his game and overworked and came in under the guise of a trusted friend.
If I remember correctly, the squad was supposedly lead by Aeonid Thiel
@@Jogo-62 yes that is who Guilliman thought he was meeting with
And at first he thought their behaviour was formed from what they were forced to endure under calth. It was nearly too late when he realised
Always like seeing Guilliman, who is considered "boring" , doing awesome shit. Like when he rushed a Death Guard defense line so quick that even his Custodes bodyguards were in shock
It also likely to Remind that Custodes even for a "Normal" Primarch like Guilliman who was no Melee specialist like his brothers are still above than to the Custodes
Literally the first thing Guilliman did after waking up from his 10,000-year power nap was cut a Khorne Berserker in half
He's like the nerdy boyscout. He can help you with your homework, and your best hope of survival when you're lost in a forest.
I just like the meme characterization of him being a cute dork. He doesn't recognise Yvraine's flirting, he puts his focus on his projects, and he keeps naming things Ultra cause he likes it. Just imagine him speaking like he has braces on.
Yvraine: "Guilliman, would you like to come upstairs with me?"
RG: "If I must."
Yvraine: "Have you brought protection?"
RG: "Why, what's up there?"
The reference in the primarch speed rating was in reference to Garro and Dorn:
For context this is when Garro was trying to tell Dorn of Horus' betrayal. As they argue, Dorn is explicitly observed to be like lightning, knocking Garro down with a punch *when he was holding back*. To think that Dorn may actually be a *slower* Primarch due to his nature and preference for fortitude, that's really bloody fast
I don't think Dorn was on the list of the slow primarchs. Eventually, he split Alpharius's head in half and sliced Fulgrim so bad, that the rapesnake rage quit siege of Terra
@@argeltal_thewordbearer Dorn the Builder is a underrated Fighter (for a Primarch) After all, he´s the only Loyalist Primarch that killed a Traitor for good.
It's interesting how, for the most part, there's "normal" primarchs like Dorn and Guiliman, and "special" primarchs like Sanguinius and Magnus.
They need the special sauce.
The weirdest ones also landed on the weirdest places. Magnus, Vulkan and Sanguinius are special, perhaps, for having strange physical traits from the begining.
@@tipodeincognito5660 I sometimes wonder what it would've been like if Kurze and G Man had landed on each other's planets lol.
@@seanyoung9014 i think that Guilliman would bring Nostramo to the age of democracy and law and Conrad would simply inherit Connor's title and become insane, Neron-like Rome emperor in 40th millenia
I think when the gifts are not obvious they have things to make up for them. It's made pretty clear for instance that Dorn is the greatest strategic genius among his brothers and only pert is in his league. So they all have things to balance them out.
Sooo...Can we get a deep dive into Belasarius Cawl? He's a fascinating character that gets way too much hate
Bel probably saved the imperium, who hates him? I'm confused... never seen much Bel hate online.
@@TheSickjits I just saw a reply on Quora saying he's the most evil character in the entire series. So definitely some hate lol.
@@TheSickjits People use him as a scapegoat for GW's bad writing. If he had existed before the Gathering Storm then it would have been better.
@@seanyoung9014 Chaos fan boys upset with him.
He kinda popped up out of nowhere as a mary-sue-ish plot device.
I like the idea of him, but I'd appreciate it if they leaned a little further into the fact that he is literally an assortment of gifted individuals and A.I.s) collected over the millennia and as such is more of a subfaction than a character.
I understand that that's basically their lore, but they treat him more like an individual character, and all the other minds in their are treated as assets rather than vital components of the whole. Roughly...I think they should lean into the Shard aspect of him more...show a little more of the hundreds of other gifted scientists that comprise the bulk that is Cawl.
6:23 TTS Magnus: "Hello brother, how's your 10,000 years of beauty sleep?"
TTS Roboute Guilliman: "Magnus, what are you doing here?!"
TTS Magnus: "What? Can't I give my returning brother a hug?"
G man: I would love it if you werent a slave to that absolute troll TITnisch.
Primarchs on the Lore: *hold up titans, supplex Bloodthirsters, outrun Custodians, kills squads of Astartes with their bare hands*
Primarchs on the Table: *Get pinged to death by guardsmen in a single shooting phase*
As another note on primarch speed, Sanguinius and Angron were clashing their weapons together so fast during the siege that it sounded like a continuous noise without any breaks, and at one point Fulgrim smashes through a window and is on the ground running before the sound of the glass shattering can reach his ears.
Honestly, it depends how you want to define power.
Perturabo can rip off a marine's armour with his bare hands.
Fulgrim shrugged off a face breaking attack from Perturabo and started healing instantly, what should have taken months took hours.
Fulgrim took a mastercrafted thunder hammer to the face, was only knocked out.
Guilliman was exposed to hard vacuum for awhile, and only had minor frostbite.
Sanguinius had his back broken, got better.
Vulkan got killed like 47 times, got better.
Also the second primarch was able to beat it non stop for months, allegedly still going to this day
Emperor banished the gooner primarch?!
The more I hear about Primarch battles being compared to anime, the more I want to see it animated.
You've really been pumping out good content recently, best wishes for the channel.
Don't speak lies again, find a rope and save the world
I once heard of a short story where Jagatai Khan once lifted up a Dreadnought and threw it across the battlefield with one hand.
I forget which book its in, but theres a scene where Pertorabo smashes Fulgrins face into a table repeatedly. Perty was impressed with how fast Fulgrim was healing after.
"Angel Exterminatus" I guess. He first smashed his face with miniature titan he made himself, then beat his face with full power wearing full power armour. Pretty sure i recall him repeatedly asking "Why r u gae" with thick Ugandan accent
@@argeltal_thewordbearer "why are you turning!? WHY are you turning!?"
Sadly I think that was demon Fulgrim enhanced healing, not base primarch
I think a video on the other faction's titan equivalents might be good. Like what a bio-titan is and how it compares to imperial titans for example, or whatever the dark eldar have that comes closest.
3:33 Just to give Angron a bit more credit on this. More force is generated from a step than dead weight. If you stand on a scale and stomp the weight goes up pass your actual weight. Also with the gears in the legs using motors to generate leverage this GREATLY increases the downward pressure. Basically, enduring a stomp from a titan would be like having 50 titans just casually standing on each other's shoulders while the lowest one casually stands on you, at least for the duration that pressure is being applied.
So if the Titan's motors were driving the gears to push that leg down along with gravity and momentum onto Angron, he was resisting a pressure greater than 400 tons.
He was coming at them so fast they froze in fear. I had to chuckle at this. Also, I don't know if you have had a chance to read the next to last of the Horus Heresy books. But in the book they finally reveal what the terminus decree is. Might make for a good update to your terminus decree video.
What's the Terminus Decree then?
@@Helis431 I believe it was a fail-safe if the emporers throne were to fail.
@@Helis431 It has been a long running secret in 40K. It is instructions on what to do IF the empire is absolutely about to fall. It was left by Malcador the sigilite to the Grandmaster of the Grey Knights. I believe he is the only one who knows about it. Also there have been many theories about what the decree is. None that I have seen have done the decree any justice in terms of how devastating it actually is.
@@kreedsutherland4207 nomit is a virus that will kill primarch and astartes
@@kreedsutherland4207 it will destroy the geneseed
Major do a video on how Tech priest become tech priest
Great idea :D
3:45 When Usain bolt sprints at full speed he imparts 3-5x his body weight per stride
What was each primarchs retirement plan for after the great crusade? Like how Guilliman said he wanted to become a Farmer and that Perty wanted to go build stuff
The warp god theory is just such a cool idea. It really makes so much of the absurdity of the primarchs make sense and even explain some weird chapter characteristics too ( looking at you my favorite sons of sanguinius.)
Great vid as always.
To me it's not just a cool idea,but it seems to be the only plausible one too. It is implied somewhere that Sanguinius has a twin warp-god soul for example.
Also, it explains why the Emperor treats them as he does - sometimes with affection and sometimes just as tools and why he seems to like some more than others. Big E and probably Malc are the only ones who truly know what they are, so by analysing these interactions we can get closer to the truth. They are his sons on a biological level, but weapons and tools on a metaphysical level.
@@ChristianR-fx8uy it really makes so much make sense. And it opens up a lot of…. Heretical possibilities…. On the emperors true purpose and plan.
@Kenneth Hernandez I think Big E wanted some kind of "equals" to himself, sparring partners if you will. I read that he got fed up with the other perpetuals who did not share his vision and foresight and perhaps wanted "sons" to replace his lost group of perpetuals. The only equals in terms of soul and intellect/vision would be warp gods. Not necessarily chaos gods, but benevolent warp gods, mirroring the more wholesome aspects of humanity.
I also think Big E was genuinely not counting on the primarchs getting scattered as he seems to have changed his plans significantly when it happened.
@@ChristianR-fx8uy I´m gonna make my own Perpetuals, with Blackjack and Eldar Hookers.
@@fuchsmichael93 Bender from Futurama?
Maybe Vashtorr was Perturabo's soul God. It explains why Perty just understood machines, and it seems Vash knows a secret of big E. If it was he made a deal with Warp beings this makes sense of Abbadon's reaction.
*Spoiler warning*
Yeah Angron might have been durable enough to tank all those shots but he couldn't tank getting the nails ripped out or as was just discovered GETTING THE EMPEROR'S SHIELD THROUGH THE HEAD!
Also here is my usual asking for a Major Mini for Commissar Yarrick please.
To be fair he’s less durable as a daemon because the way the warp works. The lion bashing his head with a shield will do more damage to angron than before he ascended
Wait what? You telling me the Lion just shield bashed him and that banished him?
@@AdeptKing in the supposed leaks, the lion and angron fought a lengthy battle but the lion won when angron was on the ground and he bashed his shield onto angrons head
That's why I'm subscribing to Majorkill's theory that the primarchs are minor warp gods stuffed into mini emperors. It would explain why the loyalist's plot armor is thicker than the traitor's
Bullshit
GW is underselling Daemon Primarchs again!
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If you can hop on one foot you can use one leg to apply significantly more force than your weight. Stomping is a very similar motion for the individual leg, i.e. both are like an "explosive" squat.
So we can call the 500 ton number a somewhat conservative estimate then.
i like how you put it that the emperor walked into the warp and came out with 20 different warp gods and spliced them into his dna making them . that makes a lot more sense now. i imagined they were modeled after different civilizations like khan for the mongols but that only fits for a few primarchs
I think he collected some of the Old Gods of Earth from different Cultures.
So with Gulliman the Emperor was wandering the Immaterium and came across the god of logistics, then was like "yoink!"
I think the clone of Fulgrim has his soul because it's the Laer Blade daemon possessing him, not necessarily because he was risen to daemonhood so I don't think that's broadly applicable to the other primarchs. I think it's more that the warp god in them gets enslaved to a particular god that weakens them a bit.
Absolutely love your content man, you introduced me to Warhammer as a whole and there is no one I'd rather learn about it from. You should do one about the guy in your outros.
I think that's setra from warhammer fantasy
i love that picture where the primarchs are just standing over a balcony. i always look towards angron and wonder what the fuck is he screaming about this time. while magnus gives him the raised one eye look likes hes worried about him lmao.
Can you do a video on Primarch traits focusing on if over the course of the last 10k years they have gained any new traits or lost existing ones? Could also Segway into the missing primarch traits like for example 11 was the jailor primarch who was a prince goro 4 armed animal with spider traits, while the second was the prototype for magnus to take a seat on one of the many warp gate thrones that are spread across the galaxy.
Obviously you have done their existing powers but seems like characters like the lion have some new warp spaghetti same with Corvus. Could they Adapt to fill the roles and gain traits of the primarchs that have died or been lost
Eddie Hall's deadlift was 500kg however holding weight above your head is way harder, his max for overhead press is 200kg. So Angron is ~2500 times stronger
Jaghatai after being absolutely exhausted and even getting thinner sent leviathan class dreadnought flying through the air with one hand.
The newest issue of White Dwarf has Angron tanking a direct hit at near point blank from a Warlord Titan's Plasma Annhilator, and he just reformed and one shot it. The durability of a Primarch is on another level.
Angron has the worst lore. I hate him sooo damn much.
@@michaelhowell2326 wdym, his lore is fucking metal
Turning himself into a missile and shit
Angron (or other daemon Primarchs) don't represent Primarch baseline, not once they get that Daemon tag anyhow. Still comedic to picture Angron glaring before being erased and respawning on the spot, still glaring at the Titan.
That isn't durability lol, thats regeneration. Durability would be if he took no damage to begin with.
I'm glad you put a link in the description. So many people with their fancy phones and apps that can do a million things. My phone is an old flip phone. I can't do all that apps and scan codes thing. You truly speak to older, broke brothers like me. Thanks!
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To be fair fulgrim apperantly knew he was going to be shot so we don't know how hurt he really was since he was trying to manipulate perturabo. So he might have been completely fine with a bullet to the head and just pretended it almost killed him
10:54 Now I want a 40k anime.
Same
Definitely my top pick for warhammer Lore, keeps me motivated to paint more!! Thanks, Majorkill!
I had a really shit day at work but my bad mood literally disappeared when i saw that i get to drive home listening to a new video, thank you for your sense of humor bro i hope you always manage to stay so lighthearted
Can you do a video on what would have happened if the imperium didn’t become ultra religious and xenophobic after the emperor’s‘’ascension’’
This.
My guess is eventually it would have fell by now. Imo I think the emperor would be dead by now without the worship making him into effectively a god. I think the Imperium would have fallen as a result by now too.
@@rabnessmonster25 he still would have been boosted by the galatict rift so I think that he would still be powerful but not as powerful
@@DefensiveMAN if the Emperor was already dead he couldn't benefit from the rift
@DefensiveMAN I dont know if he would've made it to the rift without the worship. Or for that matter the imperium. One or the other would have fallen so both would have
I got on this faster than Angron killed his own Astartes
Awesome video!
I do wanna chuckle because I got back to back ads of Raid Shadow Legends and Bloodlines. Pretty comedic timing
Majorkill is truly the plug when it comes to my need for more info on the primarchs and their legions
I would like a video on Mortarion and Kaldor Draigo's rivalry. Especially on the heart carving fight
What?
I'd love to see a video about Endryd Haar "The Riven Hound"
Ferrus comes back as a half necron frankenstein with Trayzn screaming out you're welcome as he disappears.
There was no better ad spot I've ever seen ever
Vid idea: If all primarchs worked together could they kill big E? Doesn't matter the reason, maybe some imperial heresy or whatever, just in terms of raw power.
Defenetly if all of them tried. Magnus keeps the psykik bullshit from Big E to minimum and lets Sangy and Lion do the fighting and Korvus or Koraks stabs him in the back, there would honestly not be need for more then like 5 or 6 of them working togheter AS A TEAM to actually kill Big E.
Okay I do agree with half the primark's that sold their souls to hell for pretty stupid reasons except for mortarion who did it to save what was left of his legion that hadn't rotted and falling apart and to save himself because of his second-in-command selling their souls to good ol grandpa nurgle without them even knowing it
I can't decide between Angron holding up a Titan's foot or him becoming captured by mere mortals is the stupidest moment in 40K lore.
That 420k giggle was everything. Keep it up brotha.
Yo you should do a deep dive on belissaurius Cawl
Well..plot armor for Lion El Asperger's Johnson at least.
Primarchs are awesome.
A Chaos Sister of Battle video would be cool too.
I partially agree with your headcanon theory on the souls of the primarchs, but my own tweak is that its 21 fragments of the Emperor's own godhood state.
Hence when he burned through Horus completely, he burned away a portion of himself irrevocably as well
Waitng for this vid for a while
At least you respects poor Corax. He isn't written in much cause he would sneak kill all his bros if he was.
Majorkill, i freaking love your headcanons so far.
dude imagine having 20 guillimans. kinda dope
The ability to exert more than you weigh is what allows living creatures and machines to move themselves and other objects
The fact the primarchs came so close to death is just a function of how absurdly dangerous the setting is overall.
One of these days someones gonna hunt you down for your teeth and make a nice set of ivory piano keys.
Least unhinged Majorkill enjoyer
Vulkan isn’t invulnerable though, he’s like Kenny from South Park. He still feels pain and dies again and again. He’s Immortal but only in the sense that he will always come back. He could still be on the list.
As for the titan stomping on angron and physics. The initial blow can be heavier for the motion and effort of the leg being put in, but afterwards, no as you would step upwards if the force you were stomping could support you.
Great video
I've been watching your vids for a while now and I look forward to every time you upload. I appreciate it.
I've got a ritual where everytime he uploads I have a beer
@@jkee9760 Damn I might have to start doing that.
Solid video. Your theory on primarch plot armor is my own.
Magnus is easily one of the most powerful psykers in the verse he was able to ben multiple reality while ahriman whose weaker than him was able to rip the sun out of space and into the warp
you should do videos like this for some of the old world characters, main one i can think of is greasus goldtooth, seeing how strong he REALLY is and how much of his strength from the sky titan mace and how much is from himself
same can go for wulfrik, archaeon, settra, tyrion, karl franz etc etc
I hear Angron killed a Guardsman once, so they must be pretty powerful.
Remember when people kinda joked that you be very malnourished for a custodies (obviously your perfectly healthy) they forgot you are trained in martial arts which shrinks your gains in return for being able to kick someone’s ass using skill
Now I wanna see the Swarmlord duel Guilliman. That would be awesome!
Sorry Mr Kill but you can exert more force than you weigh. Think someone weighing 200 pound benching 300, same logic applies to the Titan pushing his foot down on the Primarch. All together though, makes the Primarch even stronger and more badass. 3:25
Theory: Vashtor the Arkfane was the minor chaos god used to create Ferrus Manus and has been recuperating for 10k years.
Might be but he also might be the one leading the legion of the damned. Another theory is that Vasthor is the warp god of Perty.
@Alex Brinzan interesting. I could see that, but by my understanding Pert Rambo hasn't gone demon, so he should still have his soul.
@@ryansullivan7349 in the new books of omen i think they said he is a demon primarch but that is just hearsay cuz i didnt read it, we need more info on this topic.
After a few months still never clicked on that link for hemtai but still support the channel. Nice work @majorkill and other channel lurkers 👀👀👀
0:33 "a flick of the dick" is actually how I imagine the 2nd primarch went out.
In regards to Demon Primarchs also going down more often consider that they don't truly die if they fall like loyalist Primarchs (beside their soul). So the risk is higher for loyalist primarchs. The added pressure would give them an edge.
Strong enough to give Majorkill materiel for his videos.
You should make a sharrowkyn video; man didn’t kill a primarchs, but shot one in the face, saved another, and was ready to duel a third to the death
Will there be a how powerful a space marine is ?
Like your custodian video?
I don't think the 20 Primarch are just any warp gods the Big E captured and then put into his mini clones (Thanks Erda)
I think he went into the Warp, steal or bargain the power of the 4 warp gods for himself, fracture his own souls purposely into different aspect of himself and then he put them into these mini clones to grow.
I'm also sure one of these missing Primarch must have his cave-man aspect.
Leman Russ is like a caveman
The power of a chaos god separated from it, its essentially a chaos daemon. Better to try and rescue wathever chaos hasnt devoured already than bringing chaos daemons into flesh and bone.
Nah, the missing primarc is his 'reasonable' aspect and that primarc was like "...uh i see the way this shit is going" and he noped the fuck out to live in peace somewhere lol
@@Zerathorne.9532 Heman Russ
Alternatively throughout history and prehistory humans came in contact with the emperor and started worshiping him. So each is a warp god inherently connected to the emperor, because they formed from people worshiping him.
You can temporarily stamp with more force than you weight even without jumping or breaking contact, try it on a set of scales. As long as you accelerate your centre of mass you can generate a force
I think there's a good chance that if the Emperor did use minor warp gods then the ones he used were ancient gods of humanity. In the horus heresy novels they imply the emperor banished the demon known as Satan on earth in ancient times, and its implied that the old faiths were at least partly based on warp events. I feel like the emperor would have come to know some of the gods created by man in the warp, but as they began to wane in power due to a lack of faith he came to them with a deal. A way to live in the real world, like an inversion of the process which created the necrons. Maybe he got a power boost by taking in the warp god or gods who developed from the myths generated by him, and thats what begun his apotheosis. It could also mean Horus's minor warp God was the actual god Horus from Egyptian mythology.
I like the way you said head cannon and showed Mortarion, a demon Primarch who had his head cut off by the Khan..
That Gulliman vs Magnus art is like
G-Man: "Your axe comes and lower, and Dad's Sword is gonna castrate you in a way your nerd warp powers can't regenerate."
Magnus: "Brother...I do not share your need for Eldar girlfriends."
G-Man: "Shit...that's a good point."
Gulliman missing half his head is still freaking metal af.
your videos are so funny and make me lorny yet you avoid being a comeplete neckbeard. truly elite 40k content
I dont watch to much of your work but this was one of your best videos by far!
Does MK realize he foretold exactly how Horus killed Sanquinius? Crushing the last life out of him in his power claw. Niiice
Amazing video MajorKill keep them coming and today my birthday
7:24 that was just khorne (or the warp/chaos in general) since demons are less vulnerable to guns compared to good ol' hand to hand combat (thats why sanguinius could kill angron in melee)
I think it would be really cool in 10th, for when they bring back demon fulgrim, if the reason for his return is that clone fulgrim is released/saved from trazyns collection.
I can't think of a more fulgrim return than to be so abhorred, by this perfect uncorrupted version of himself walking about, that demon fulgrim comes to stop him out of narcissistic spite.
Plus, clone fulgrim would make for a perfect imperial regent in the absence of Sanguinius. And now that the lion is back with guillieman, the opportunity to reform the triumvirate of imperium secundus but as the true imperium makes sense.
With robute as administrator, lion as marshal and uncorrupted clone fulgrim as regent
Somebody please remind me of the story behind the Primarch slapping the Marine.
Read it and told my fiend years ago and he asks me to try and remember it every gaming sesh we have and I havnt been able to since.
Majorkill mentioning this gives me hope..help