@@Godsslave777 Just to make clear: In case of D:Immortal, P2W stands for Pay2Whale, not Pay2Win. ..... cause even if you pay, you're still not winning. Only if you [massively] whale, you MIGHT win. ( e.g. => p2w2Mw :> )
I’m not gonna lie, seeing anybody in the Diablo community push this game gives me reason to stop supporting them as a content creator. Blizzard deserves all the backlash they are getting for this one. Llama had the right idea, play until it asks for money and bail. He was generous with a whole hour. Imagine releasing a game so bad that the people who have kept your company name afloat can’t even stand the thought of it.
I had higher expectations from blizzard, theyll surely fuck up diablo 4 as well. I hope another studio creates a similar game without the heavy pay2win. Loved d3, felt really smooth to play.
1st of all im a hardcore Player myself, was thinking about to outplay the "whales" by spending more time than these Gates but then i realized that this wont going to happen. So Raxx thanks for confirming that for me, now I can uninstall it with peace of mind.
Which would be almost as bad, as they say time is money. Content gating behind tons of time is not much better then content gating behind tons of money.
@@francoisturgeon1176 No but if you would have spent that time working at a part time job. You would probably make enough money to whale out, and then still have money left over.
I mean, I spent $115 MSRP on Diablo 3, counting all the expansions, and played it for 10 years. I get that those days are over, but the levels of toxic exploitation here are just beyond the pale.
Those days might be over for Blizzard but not all developers seek to rob their fans and create addictive gambling systems in their games. I'm going to support developers who don't do this scummy crap. POE has never ripped me off, same with Last Epoch which is looking to be a great game in active development.
@@Peanutfiendsblog You are absolutely right. You can play PoE 100% for free and all you are missing is some stash space. You can get all the stash space you might need for the 115$ Luke has spend and then some too, so it's not expensive either. That is how you do a F2P game with fair monetization and I am happy to spend my money there for cosmetics or private leagues supporting the developers. Spending money on crap like Diablo Immortal that is designed to give you a little boost of progress each time you spend 2$ is just dumb.
@@Peanutfiendsblog i actually got some mtx in poe, since i just liked the game and decided to support them. Voluntary spending is one thing, but locking you out of pvp and endgame pve is just greed. The more we allow it, the worse it will get.
@@Peanutfiendsblog ehhhh...POE seems to be going downhill lately. stopped playing since 3.15 since they guttted thhe damage and kept on making the creeps harder and caan one shot you more often. letts not even forget the tedious journey from act 1 everytime you wanted to make a new toon. and sentinel? well,thats a flaming piece of crap,thats for sure. thatt being said,this POE game,even in this state is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than diablo immortal
@@bonevgm Totally Agree Ivo! You don't feel guilty buying some stash space or a skill effect in POE because the game is excellent, developed very rapidly and not at all necessary to "win". I actually like supporting the game. I think GGG enjoys playing POE just as much as their customers do. Imagine the devs of Diablo Immortal enjoying playing their own game knowing that the entire system is designed to rip the user off. I just can't see it at all. There's no passion for actual gaming left at Blizzard anymore.
Comparing D:I to gambling is offensive... to gambling. When you gamble, you spend your time and money for the excitement of having a small chance you'll leave with more money than you started. When you play D:I, you spend your time and money to avoid the frustration of spending even more time watching numbers go up on a screen. Kudos to Blizzard for creating a hobby more parasitic than gambling. No out-of-season April Fool's joke here.
For a better visual comparison (not just audio) for those that don't know, would have been cool to show a 3 rare crest chest opening compared to a 10 legendary crest chest. It's so over the top crazy! You go from getting tons of legendary gems vs not even getting one a lot of the time.
Thanks for this. I bought D3 and expansions three times for different systems and I don't regret any of it. I'm not even opposed to microtransactions, but that is just... greedy. I was wavering on if I was going to jump into Diablo Immortal, and after seeing your video, I know I'm not ever going to bother. It's not even worth trying to F2P when they're gatekeeping the high tier stuff at that level. I expect something like this from EA, but not Blizzard (well, at least not THAT bad).
After Blitzchung and the sexual harassment and discrimination allegations, you shouldn't expect anything from Blizzard. We also have: Warcraft III Reforged. In summary: fuck Activision Blizzard.
Hardly, the guy is playing the game regardless. Should fuckin blacklist / boycott. And his brother is playing it also. Point is, the guy is trying to make it seem like Blizzard are fucked, when both him and his brother are equally fucked for participating. Keep on riding the bandwagon of others thinking for you, mindless bliss.
Blizzard: This game isnt pay to win as we do not sell "Items". So you dont gain any advantage whatsoever. Also Blizzard: So here are these OPTIONAL gems that you can enchant your items with, giving you a "minor" boost in your stats. Just like in Diablo 3. Dont worry this isnt P2W because they arent "items" they are just OPTIONAL additions that you can give to your items.
Can you blame them tho? Idiots in the gaming community justifying p2w games for years now labelling them as pay2convinience and other bs terms like that. Corporation will be greedy it’s up to people to stop them by not buying into their scummy bs but it seems like it’s not going to happen and so we getting more and more of this nonsense in games. I really hope more countries will follow Netherlands and Belgium.
@@morthii facts. Unfortunately a lot of us feed into the cycle. But more awareness of the cycle is being spread so hopefully things change. Plus the battle royale scene is dying down a bit, and so are lootcrates. As well as Elden Ring showing what pride and joy in your own work instead of cash cow’ing a game should help
Did you boycott arcade machines too? P2W and gambling has been around and ingrained in everything for decades it’s not going anywhere. It’s just the landscape and medium have changed. Do you boycott TCGs? Just going to have to avoid buying and try to enjoy the game or play a different game. Heck, even happy meals are loot boxes with random toys for kids.
As soon as I got through the intro and got to see for myself how bad the pay-to-win I stopped. I have played Diablo since the initial release of Diablo 1. I am still currently a top 500 leaderboard player in Diablo 3. Pay-to-win is worse than the bots and cheating in Diablo 3... I will not waste time on this game.
exactly this video is fcking toxic in tempting viewers to bet on their luck. Most ppl won't get even a single 4/5 out of 100 crests. so you r not scientist u just blizzard's shit game's advertiser
As you said yourself you used 40 bucks and your brothers char blasted past you with targeted money on crests. The empowered battle pass and Boon are mostly traps. The only "value" item in anything is the legendary crests as legendary gems are way more powerful than anything else in the game.
@@Simkets They make direct references to the battle pass for a source for more power inside the game. Same with the boon. And ofc not really saying fastest way of getting power are legendary crests, although it's going to cost you a house.
Great video again Raxx, I just wanted to put in again, the Diablo part of this game is pretty good, but man this monetization and gatekeeping is so tragic. Guess I'll see you again in the next D3 season, instead of in Immortal. :P Keep up the great work!
Dude, the boss mechanics and such in immortal, just make me sad for d3, all of these cool fights, and class abilities could have been in D3, but it's like they kept it purposefully bland for this shit.
I have played it since launch as completely free to play. I am LVL 60 paragon 12 right now. What is apparent is you cannot really jump in power without paying to get gems. Sure you can grind out paragon levels but a singular level gets you one paragon point to spend which really is a negligible change. I refuse to pay and I am already sick of the grind so it's time to move on.
Same here im paragon lvl 12 but there isn't much I can do anymore playing pvp I get wreck so hard and when I check the other players stats its like dam
Same here im paragon lvl 12 but there isn't much I can do anymore playing pvp I get wreck so hard and when I check the other players stats its like dam
playing 3 days for free and having fun with it, is like 9999% more worth, then spending 20€ and play 30 days and having no fun after a week, because you have to invest more if you want to be strong...
enjoyed the game for the first couple days , bought the pass just for cosmetics and then I found cosmetics are not account wide and the more I level up the more I relaise this is just d3 but legendaries and sets are less impactful and the legendary gems which I can barely get my hands on a 1 or 2 star ,are the power house ,which means no ladder for me ,no big numbers no highest difficulty raids ,no pvp ranking ,it will be like playing d3 for free but you are only able to do nephlium rift and struggle while doing them like a noob did , even if I no life it it would still have no meaning cuz paragon levels are capped and eventually everyone will catch up with me with half the time spent ,and elder rifts has no meaning without legendary crests
Half the time? Oh no no. You mean whales will literally be (mathematically, mind you) 1000x stronger than you. Sure, it's not that apparent yet since it's just been a few days, but once the game matures, say a month or so, you'll feel just how far away the distance is.
@@yvannenikolainethercott5709 I miss d3 but it's content is very poor compared to this but then again am hitting the paywall very soon which is pretty much same thing
@@NoobMaster-yw6eo bro not only that it’s only per character? How can they do that to people? Spend 20 bucks on only one guy that is stuck on this one server? So if you friends are somewhere else you’re just screwed. Damn, wtf. That’s just beyond crazy. I’m sorry they tricked you and didn’t explain it well enough.
I can't believe you got those, I've been playing since it came out, I've done the all crest rift a few times yet I've never even seen a three star gem in-game. Honestly, I think I'm about done with this game myself.
Just to give you an idea of the RNG of the 5/5 gems in this game I'll give you an example using slot machines. A 96.5% slot with a 1 in 200 chance to hit the bonus can run 1000 spins without a bonus. It doesn't happen to often but 500 spins without a bonus does. As per RNG, you will average out over time, 1 in 200 spins. But that 1 in 200 is per spin. There is no entropy on that percentage of 0.5% per spin. 1 in 2000 means you could run 10,000 rifts or more without getting a 5/5 gem. Consider the cost of that. Then uninstall this trash and support real game developers.
To those who don't know about slot machines it is an extremely confusing example, whereas the actual probabilistic process at play with crests is pretty basic.
@@wiwhwiwh1241 that depends on the entropic nature of the RNG, which I believe does have a pity timer from what I've heard in other videos, so it's probably not as bad as slots. But even so, 1 in 2000 is a lot considering the time sink and the money sink on top.
250 bucks for 100 crests means ON AVERAGE you're paying $5000 for one 5star gem. But about 1/10 people will pay twice that much and still won't have a 5-star gem.
@@user-et3xn2jm1u Pretty sure you can use other 5 star gems to upgrade the 3 and 4 stars though...So you don't actually need to hit the crazy odds of a 5/5 star. People doing the calculations haven't taken all factors into account.
This is and Add. This is Outcome is insanely lucky. Drop chances for a Legendary gems when using a Legendary Crest: 1-Star (1/1 Star ) : 75.395% 2-Star (2/2 Star ) : 20.105% 5-Star (?/5 Star ) : 4.5% When a 5-Star Legendary Gem drops while using a Legendary Crest, further drop rates are: 5-Star (2/5 Stars ) :75% 5-Star (3/5 Stars ) :20% 5-Star (4/5 Stars ) :4% 5-Star (5/5 Stars ) :1% you can check these rates at the crest merchant by clicking the ( i ) in the top left corner
So basically his initial (?/5 Star) roll was pretty average at 6/100 but the fact that he got 2 of the (4/5 Stars) at a 4% chance when he only had 6 chances total is pretty insane luck.
Thanks for the explanation. I've heard lots of people saying it's P2W but they weren't able to explain exactly why, they were just parroting the headlines. I'll continue to play as I do other mobile games; just as something to kill a few minutes in a waiting room or on the toilet, but it's clear this isn't the game to try and become super powerful in.
I understand wanting to play for the hell of it but this game needs to crash and burn. Like soon. The fact that you get like 3 free pulls and then have to either wait a month per pull or compete with people who will absolutely gobble up all the crests every server reset? Hooooooooooly shit that's terrible. Judging by how long it takes to get these pulls, it sounds like it would take years and years to get any sort of decent gems and gear. Now imagine that, but with the fact that this game will update multiple times xD It's going to add more gems and more difficult content! It's literally IMPOSSIBLE to catch up to even the basic requirements as an f2p judging by this xD.
There’s a major difference between legendary crests (the few free to play ones) and ETERNAL legendary crests (those that you buy with actual money) and that difference is that you can’t sell the ftp legendary crests on the marketplace and they are bound to your character. This is done exactly so that you literally CANNOT do anything as ftp and to make you spend money for that battle pass even though it will be 100% USELESS. Play Path of Exile and stop touching this garbage.
I never touched it, I hade done some math and after this I came to conclusion fuck this shit, I play PoE, Dia3 or other games I own, no need for P2W bullshit game.
People, literally, didn't pay anything to download and enjoy Diablo Immortal, but you also want the company to lose the millions they spend making, promoting, and maintaining it, monthly, just because of broke people that are lazy and selfish? D3 and PoE are neither not as massively multiplayer/interactive as Immortal, nor are they as fun to me because--no matter what any game is-- it feels like a "dead" waste of time when I don't have other people running around. Blizzard makes multiple games. Yes, I hate p2w too, but people that download free mmorpg should know that they need to contribute monthly, at least. Maybe, like WoW subscription? We can talk about better ways to monetize, but would you listen to the guy that thinks you should give your RAV4 to him free, or the one that will overpay you two million dollars for it?
@@devastorm356 How about instead of making it a P2W game, why not make really cool looking skins to buy, great looking armor pieces, changing how a skill looks like by making it more badass. I wont pay to make myself stronger, ill pay to make myself LOOK stronger.
@@devastorm356 yes because the only way to make actual money is making your game pay to win where you must spend hundreds of thousands to unlock everything… Plenty of games show that you can do cosmetics only and make a killing. Not to mention the money they would make off of a cosmetic season pass… thats at least $5-10 every other month… times that by a few thousand and your making your money back.
@@devastorm356 don’t even try to reach into the “companies shouldn’t just give you stuff for free” strawman, because 1) that’s not what everybody is asking and complaining about, and 2) there’s a HUGE difference between asking people to pay a fair price for a decent product and the utter greedy garbage that these POS are doing to us all, you included. This is about Blizzard going the extra mile and employing the most predatory, scummy, absolutely manipulative, dirty psychological and monetary tactics to make the biggest profits imaginable in the most dishonest possible way, for what is beyond any doubt an *inferior product* for which they didn’t invest (nor will they ever invest) even the tiniest fractional spec of the resources that could justify your “but it cannot be free” reasoning. There are methods and there are limits to everything, and this time Blizzard really went over any possible limit. It doesn’t matter if you’re so used to this kind of mediocrity that you would ignore everything done to lower the quality of games, raise their prices, and push predatory practices that would be illegal even in actual gambling establishments. I won’t even go in detail to discuss the legendary crest/eternal legendary crest bullshit (which makes the definitely NOT FREE Battle Passes *useless*), the dozens of scummy in-game currencies, the predatory tactics done to skirt around pro-consumer regulation so that they don’t have to tell you their loot boxes odds and can give you completely pitiful loot chances even when you spend 25 dollars for a single rift run (you can’t justify the fact that there are people who spent 10K of actual money in rifts and didn’t even get ONE single 5 star legendary gem, those odds are just wrong), and all the other completely dishonest, greedy mechanics that this game has, and if Blizzard has just done a better game where they YES make you pay but are not so blatantly predatory, nobody would have a single word to say against it! I personally don’t care if you’re so used to mediocrity that you would rather prostrate and genuflect to the altar of that mediocrity instead of asking to huge companies to make your experience better by giving a decent, fair balance of cost and price to their product.
Imagine giving the current Activision Blizzard any money, even for science. Data miners already found these abysmal rates and the true cost of maximizing a character.
I'm having lots of fun with the game currently. I didn't understand where the p2w was though, so thanks a lot for the info. It's gonna be a grind, but I think I can make a great character after a year or two of saving Crest given over time. I might not end up being the best, but I'm confident that I'll be able to be top tier by then. Great vid, keep it up!
@@KiritoTheAce Right now yeah, but a lot can happen in a year. Not saying they're gonna grow a heart and give away a ton of legendary Crest, but I can get anywhere from 3 to 5 Crest a week with just the battle pass and other miscellaneous activities. It's gonna be a grind, but isn't that what diablo is all about?
You don't need to save them. You would end up with the same leg gems doing 10 runs with 1 leg crest each time, or doing 1 run with 10 leg crests. Might as well spend em when you get them ans maybe get lucky early
@@medic0157 it's mostly just for getting legendary drops. I'd like to wait till max level before I use too many crest of any kind, but getting good gems early is also super dope. I have 2 5 star gems at 2 stars each and it's pretty dope. I did buy the battle pass, but I'm cool with battle passes in f2p games.
They didn't even bother to give us a legendary crest every 2 or 3 days. Kind of nuts. Imagine if you had to pay primogems to do dungeons at all in Genshin. Or needing rc to buy an entry ticket for Valtan hard in Lost Ark.
Only reason people don't complain about genshin is that genshin doesn't have a 8v8 pvp feature, I'm a f2P and let me tell you this, i know I'm not gonna spend money on this game but I'm happy with the amount of fun i have rn and please don't hate on this game this much, the game is not even a FPS it's a MMORPG as long as you don't trying to be on top of the server or the god of pvp you won't have a problem
@@delix8869 i literally said I'm a F2P but I'm having fun, you can't make people enjoy something if they don't want to i assume, it's not like i never crossed any p2w game in my life, while you have to spend 100k dollars to reach the maximum leve in the game, you can play the game for casual and actually enjoy it , that's my though on this game so....hope you learn how to have fun too :)
@@noshan0183 the fuck is wrong with you? you're just okay with this? what if the next time you went out shopping, bread was 45$, what if drinking water suddenly had to be bought otherwise you would simply dehydrate to death? thats the same concept here, to survive in this game and enjoy it, you have to spend obscene amounts of money, to do what you* came to the game to do, some people play casual, a lot of people are hardcore on the leaderboards. how is it not a problem to take that away from them, how would it be fair to take away any and all of your water and demand you pay for it? Players are the fucking lifeblood of the game, forcing them to decide between a shitty life playing or paying to survive past level 60, doesnt fucking seem normal, and neither do you
@@noshan0183 you’re telling people not to hate on the game even though it has one of the greediest, scummiest, most BS monetization systems. Get out of here. You’re probably a little kid so you don’t remember when games use to have all of its content without being locked behind $1000 paywalls.
Financial advisors call them whales because it dehumanises them. Treat these people as Human and call them Addicts. They are gambling Addicts and they need our help. Calling them Addicts is the first step to recovery.
Yeah but in gacha games you get pulls fairly regularly xD like I play genshin and I don't have to worry about only getting some weird subpar wishes daily, you get a currency and buy the sort of wish you want (And they don't cost a different amount). I'm not about to defend gacha games in general but the value that Diablo immortal gives you as an f2p is... It's just abysmal. It's beyond reprehensible, it's just evil.
@@narius_jaden215 Yep. DI's monetization is next level predatory and bad even by mobile game standards, and I hate when I see people constantly defend it by saying, "its a mobile game guys." As if thats a license to steal. DI's monetization is some of the worst your gonna see even in mobile gaming.
@@saimyintmyat9373 Thats my point, lol. People keep saying "its a mobile game" like we just accept this trash and we dont. Its bad by mobile game standards so "its a mobile game" is a very poor excuse.
A couple years ago i met a college kid with an incredible little game he is making. Kinda like fire emblem with ninjas. So i knew a dev and publisher of mobile games so i set up a meeting. He and i were expecting to meet with devs but got confused when we met with three sales people. Not one question about gameplay or the game itself. They keep asking if the card system can be implemented like gatcha or how does micro transactions work in the game. At the end of it we couldn’t answer most questions. After that i just said to him “I think we just found out how mobile games are made now.” That was depressing because i hated micro transactions.
they ruined a potentially great game. When i think of the raid system, it really makes me wanna keep playing, but the monetization just makes it unberarable. There's a great game under all the shit, and i hope some devs pay attention, extract the good shit, and make a great game like this one day.
@@topshelfbullys7889 It's actually on both PC and mobile. It exists to make money and to bring the mobile predatory monetization schemes to PC. It's another step in the direction of normalizing this type of garbage. Think of it as a gateway.
@@harbhub Yeah sure except it took one giant leap over other games of this type by offering basically zero free pulls xD. Also the fact that there are 100 legendary crests a day that you have to compete with others for is uh.... uhhh... yuuuuuuuuuuck xD
I think there would be an easy way to handle this a bit: Daily reward should be an legendary crest and not a rare crest. Even though it would not fix the whole problem but it would be at least something for f2p to have at least any option to be competitive on the long run. I really wonder how blizzard could destroy this game so hard with this stuff because it is basically really fun to play for a while till you want to start something to progress in the endgame. I played the story and enjoyed this part of the game. But i see no real reason to continue playing the game afterwards.
We can only fix something that is broken, this is clearly not broken it`s completely intentional by Blizzard, I went to 9 matches in Battlegrounds, and every match there`s at least 1 guy doing 17/0, 18/0, a staggering 22/1, like the guy literally punching through a whole team by himself, that`s the power of whaling in DI.
@@shippy1001 You are right - it is broken. But it is at least a bit they could do. I personally do not care about pvp, I do not care about ranking, I do not care about being max on day one. The game is just out a couple of days now. They should equalize PvP, but as far as I know there is also a cap for how jewels work in PvP (mentioned by some other content creators but I can not really find a source from blizzard). But like I said: Play the story, don't put money into the game and delete it if it keeps in this current state.
I don't think you get it. There is nothing to "fix." The game was designed this way from the ground up. They most likely have a whole thinktank with a psychologist advisor contriving the best way to induce people to spend money. Someone can spend $200 and immediately feel powerful against free-to-play players, giving them a rush of endorphins and accomplishment. It's not an accident, lol. It's not "broken," it's working as intended. Watch for a year or two later in this game's lifecycle when they announce that they've received the community feedback and will be scaling down monetization in the game, after they've already got the majority of the revenue from whales, of course.
They didn't destoryed it, their goal was to make a shit ton of money. Even if it just 100 whales it's probably worth more than 100k f2p players. They accomplished their goals
But we knew this is gonna happen the day they announced DI on blizconn all mobile games are like that. Now the real question is and i'm afraid to ask it do you think they will put something like that into D4? cause i'm gonna need to buy a new table when they do :D
Rax pls do not put any more money in these type of games! Even for science! The more money they get the more possible is to see such games in the future. I play it and the moment i feel that the game asks me a single penny i will quit! I don't like and i don't want these monitization and unfortunately what poe dev said " ..this is not a game" it is absolutely true.
This sums it up pretty well, I saw this when I was paying the beta. They would trickle feed you currency every day and it was the only way to get the legendary gems.
As an old player since Uni with Diablo I on PC, I will just enjoy the story which seems to be cool anyway… won’t get a penny out of me! Greetings from Sydney Raxx! You have fans here as well!
I hate listening to these, but you did a great job, no bs, no advertisements, just facts. P.s. I spent $18 on the game the first day as well. I definitely regret it. Lol.
I had the game installed. Then I found out there were facial recognition and location software supposedly running in the background only in the Chinese client. Yea right. Uninstalled and never played the game. Then the truth came out about psychological shit in the game to get you to spend money. No thanks.
I'll be optimistic and say giving is a good feeling! Choosing to do this for your brother instead of for yourself was cool. I probably won't be buying next months pass unless it gets better
Great review! I just find the game too monetize to have advantage with other players &/or the game itself. That said, I still enjoy the game though regardless without spending money into it. Personally speaking, I think it’s really up your preference & how hooked you’re to the game. Tnx
a Reddit post did the math and suggested that if you want to max everything on ONE char. it will cost you between $100.000.00 - $250.000.00. in other words, you can choose between maxing everything out in a mobile game or even buying a house or a brand new car! or maybe both depending on what part of the world you live in!
The problem isn't whales wrecking F2Ps. The problem is that this game is literally DANGEROUS. It's preying on players with OCD, Teenagers with gaming addiction, gambling addicts or children who doesn't yet understand the weight of money.
@@cwagnello Yea, but teenagers with $500 in their bank accounts are the collateral damage. Addicts with $2k in their bank account and spending half of those on diablo immortal are also the collateral.
@@chilly2171 i cant even feel bad for them, only thing that pisses me off is knowing blizzard is making money but the morons that fall for this shit and spend hundreds deserve to live in a gutter for being stupid
Everyone should have the ability to get the best gear in the game. It really ruins things when you just have zero chance to ever get it. Make f2p people work harder for it, but they should have the ability to get it. It's just screwed up. Sad thing is this is a fun and well done game. I play it for a bit every night and am enjoying it. Wish it just sucked so it wouldn't annoy me so much.
This post right here. Itd be a lot better if People can pay to skip not pay to forever be a lord amongst f2p. F2ps get the real experience and actual good loot propping out after u beat mobs which is the core of diabolo.if f2ps can't feel that why make the game free at all
Excellent video ! Short, precise, straight to the point ) And yes, the crest mechanism is perfectly explained here :) doesn't mean the game isn't fun otherwise and that there isn't 'legitally' (100% free) more than enough possibilities to finish the game and rule PvM without troubles (when doing smart builds and gear selections like here)...but..yeah..if you want to maximize your character in a legit way (for the hell of it..mainly to be the King of PvP in your local area i guess..till the servers do exist and your account isn't closed^^), that's just impossible for the very same reason here, ultimately... !
When this came out, I would have hoped that EVERYONE would be like "fuck this", but you have dozens of videos of people spending money "just to show what it's like" Too much greed from developers, but also from players with more money than brains.
wait. don't blame the developers. Blame the publishers and Upper Management. The developers care about gameplay, their specific role and getting food on the table. They take no profit from this. It's all the Publisher and Upper Management who take the big bonuses for making shareholders happy.
@@TasseurLachov I am actually a game developer. You are right though, people don't differentiate because they see the company as a whole, but really it's a compartmentalised set of groups of skillsets. A lot of game developers never even touch technical lead work or project management but someone has to do it. They usually offload it to people who aren't even game developers. Just people who can use systems analysis software.
@@TasseurLachov The thousands of players can easily keep profits afloat if they spend the alleged 110k to keep up their power level each xD xD xD. This needs to die. The game needs to burn xD.
@@tehf00n I respect the work game devs do, but the publishers took this game and pissed all over it before setting it on fire. And now they charge for it xD.
Just imagine with me what fun these mobile MMOs would actually be if it was just subscription based play rather than all this P2W. This is just the launch of the game as well the P2W usually gets much worse as these games progress. Lineage 2 was so fun at launch for me and the community that we built was awesome in the server I played on but week after week just bigger and bigger packs of materials kept showing up in the shop, then 1 day a big update dropped and even bigger packs dropped and the end was nowhere is sight...they just dont know how to stop themselves for the betterment of the game.
Oh, didn't you know that Diablo Immortal actually has a subscription option?! Yes, that's right, you can subscribe to the Boon of Plenty for $9.99 a month and be rewarded by Daily Login bonuses (that disappear if you don't claim them in time). Isn't that some fantastic value for money?
Thank you for the info. I haven't spent anything and seeing this don't plan to do so. Game is already beginning to feel stale and I've not even finished the campaign. Looks like I will get bored in another week or so.
The hilarity in the game chat people making excuses for it being completely p2w but other games are too!!🤣 Blizzard fanboys are some of the funniest people on the planet just mental gymnastics abound
I mean, ~$110,000 USD to max a character vs F2P being roughly 10% as powerful... That's a bit more extreme than most P2W games. Also, they will almost certainly be releasing more content, making that 110k rise up with each update.
The general chat trying to defend this game just kills me, some of the insane stuff they said made me laugh while I was crying listening to this video.
Play the game casually for the Diablo storyline and nostalgia, it was great. Already completed all the campaign, dont really know where to go from here.
I'm still playing it, currently level 47 I spent like 5 bucks , I try to not boggle my mind much and get Influenced by people but I think ill be up for a rude awakening once I hit level 60 and do end game stuff,but I'm assuming that's how most f2p people will be like, once they reach 60 and see the huge difference, they will all start quitting and Blizzard will start moving their snake tactics again to lure us back in
This monetization is pure evil. The stingiest gacha games give more free pulls than this terrible trash, and their content isn't necessarily built around NEEDING those 5 star characters xD. Imagine playing pvp and fighting a guy with some 5 star gems and just getting routinely blasted because you don't pay money. Idc how people justify it, that's awful, full stop xD.
Depends on ur gole if all you want to do is the same boring pvp then getting your reso super fast with money sure. There is many ways to get gems and slow roll powering them it takes a lot of time and effort. A warband will give you 1 eternal crest and one legendary every week. Running rifts every week will give you 1 eternal crest when you save ur faded embers. Plus gem power by crafting them. Thats 3 crest a week that can give you a chance at five star gems. Also being in a clan that has towers will also give you a chance at legendary crests as well as monthly events. Hilt vender gives one every month. Also doing ur lairs every week and maxing out ur normal gems from lairs and selling them on the market will dramatically boost ur platinum. You can bank about 40k every 2 weeks just from that. In one month you can purchase a 4/5 gem off market just wait a good price do happen. There is many other ways of boosting your plat and chances of crest its all about grinding it out. If thats not your thing and you want to drive a Bently on a bologna budget the games not for you. I have shown my friends how to do this and after a few months they are 2+K Resonance and slowing climbing. How about make a video on how to help them succeed not teach them the tricks.
One interesting thing I've heard is that I believe that people that stream on twitch or other platforms and and play games as their job I think can write off their expenses, paying less during tax time. I don't mean to get too personal Raxx, but is that true? if so, they have a pretty distinct advantage over others.
This isn't a secret. Mtashed himself even admitted that probably one youtube video covered most of his genshin expenses with easy and that was in the thousands. Before he went F2P anyway.
I’ll take that RMAH enabled shitty legendary drop rate over whatever this impossible bullshit is any day lol - at least I was able to grind with friends to eventually beat post-nerf inferno act 4, as opposed to never having a chance against these whales.
@@TrampyPulsar I could be wrong, but I remember the drop odds bump coming quite a bit after RMAH removal. Either way, my point is a RMAH isn't a bad thing to me on its own, if Blizzard made the inferno scaling as fucked as they did to force AH that is just pathetic on their part. Maybe a compromise would be an AH which Blizz takes no money from...so there is no conflict of interest on their part with regard to game development issues.
You forgot gem awakening at lvl 10 since it's easier to get fragments and rank up gems while whaling. Some of the awakening bonuses includes cooldown or reduction and skill boosts
People in the comments, it's confusing why you're blaming blizzard for making a mobile game which aligns with mobile gaming's current pricing trends. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the companies that made games like summoner's war, star wars galaxy of heroes, or marvel strike force. Gacha games have been requiring people to spend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to be competitive for almost a decade. You can really tell who has and hasn't played mobile games before immortal by how much/little they care about this game having whales in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting these trends in any way, I'm simply acknowledging their existence. And that it's kind of shocking to see this level of outrage, given that none of this is surprising to see in a mobile game in any way whatsoever
Diablo is an established AAA franchise and Blizzard are AAA publishers. The expectations aren't the same as any other mobile game and this game is also on PC DAY ONE. How is that a mobile game again? Add in the fact that this is basically Diablo 3 down to the engine so once again, how is this a mobile game? they got a predatory version of d3 to work on a phone and I'm supposed to obfuscate reality and pretend it's just a mobile game and nothing else and then excuse absolute garbage? nah, that doesn't sit right at all.
@@peepopoo4387 it's in beta on PC still, guess you missed the memo. Too busy being in shambles over a mobile game having mobile gaming monetization. Like woah! Who would've thought. We all got absolutely bamboozled /s Here's an idea, if you don't like the game, don't play it. But instead you're here whining like a kid letting the game live rent free and giving everyone some entertaining comedy 😅
I highly encourage f2p players to go into pvp and throw matches to decrease the incentive to engage in the gem system. Go in, bait your teammates into 2vx fights then run out, misposition on the map, take a pve skill set into pvp etc. Do things that make it hard for the DI systems to detect trolling but infuriate whales trying to climb pvp boards. Because the way pvp is set up, it’s very hard to solo carry matches.
This is why I will NEVER do PvP in Immortal again. In my first (and only) PvP match the instant a player from the other team entered my screen I was dead. It was infuriating. I can’t understand how this is even fun for the whales, unless you just love bullying people, cause it ain’t for the competition, that’s for sure.
Why? Game itself is amazing, p2w does not affect you at all unless you try very hard to compete, spend ton of time etc. For casual gamer theres no better mobile arpg game, p2w doesn't touch your game experience
@@Revarine ppl are sheep... They simply jump on p2w bandwagon, while in reality the amount of f2p players who go hard is even less than ppl who went for GR 150 each season of d3. Most ppl are casual gamers who don't even do all dailies each day, not to mention try to compete for top of leaderboards
@@sixtimesdead gameplay is great but i think it's not just about p2w. it's about the manipulative tactics. the team of psychologists they've employed to try to get you to spend money. it's about the principle of creating a game to extract money from consumers lol. but also you're kind of right i think. the hatred for the game is most just content creators trying to capitalize on the drama and making a million vids about it. It would be amazing if people cared about other real problems in the world as much as they seem to care about this lol.
@@sixtimesdead I don't want to be the companion of krypton gold players. In the first three days, I got 5 graduated legendary equipment and 6 graduated legendary gems, although it was only 1 star gem (I organized the strategy for 3 days in the early stage), in the first three days, my tower climbing ranking was 9-15 However, on the fourth day, the top ten players have all 4-star gems and 5-star gems, and I know that even if I work hard for a week, I will not get a 3-star gem. Time is money, and I felt like the time I put in next would be meaningless, so I uninstalled. Have you ever experienced a one-sided massacre in an arena?
@@nathanbell6962 sooo does it actually matter if that makes sense? Like how many people will be dropping more than 20 bucks a month realistically platerbase should be equal . I think min max culture is partly to blame for blizz greed also
the last 10-15 years.... we went from no ingame transactions to cosmetics only > starter packs> lootboxes/pay to improve> pay2win> pay to even be able to play endgame...... few years to go and u gotte pay to be able to hit a mob........
not to worry tho if u spend a extra $100 after u bought 10 hits (and hopefully killt the mob) u get to see the lootbox that u can buy.... ITS 800 % VALUE THO SO GO GET IT!!!! its only 1000 gems tho and we sell gems by 600 1500 or 4500 batches!!!!!
all the hours of discussion about this issue and all someone really needs to do is watch that first elder rift to see exactly what's going on. The scary part is that you aren't even buying anything except a chance at the best gems until you hit the pity quota. This plus purchasing bonuses that you lose unless you log in every single day is just predatory as hell.
If you go there “first clear rewards” on the challenge rift leaderboards, you will see “Ezareth.” I asked him “how much money have you spent on this game?” And he said “$28,000.” And then I said “that’s a brand new car.” And he said “I don’t need anymore cars. Just a hobby.” That was a few weeks ago. So I bet he’s spent more money by now. But I did later stumble upon him in Westmarch. Pretty cool. But I’m sorry I make $28k in one year and I have bills and rent and car insurance. Too much to worry about than spending money on a game.
You should have brought a lottery ticket also with the amount of 5 stars that dropped. I use to do 10 runs and most of the time would receive the 2 or 3 5 star gems. They say it's rng but from my experience i believe there is a hidden loot drop system we aren't being told about
I wish you could get orbs Battle Pass. If we would get around 1,600 of orbs, I think it would make it more balanced. Since you would be basically paying 5USD a month for 1,600 of orbs. It would make the game less money heavy and more consumer friendly. This system wouldn't be praying on your wallet and even people who would only pay 5USD a month would get a lot of benefits.
The cost of 4-5 star legendary gems in auction are like 200-500k platinum... Even if u get 1500 orbs, that's at best 150k platinum...not to mention to rank up 5 star would cost a ton of gem as exp
@@kendamen 10 legendary crests cost 1,600 orbs? If we would get 1,600 orbs a month. That's 10 legendary crests a month + a few you can buy in-game for free and those 2 that you get in the BP itself. I mean, it's better than nothing. And this would help the majority of the players to reach high power levels too. The current system is way more favorable to the paying players and I don't think that's good. Sure, you need to make money if your game is free. But forcing hunders of dollars out of players? I think paying 5 dollars a month, so you have at least slightly better chance of enjoying late game without paying hunders of dollars, would be healthy. They could do 1,600 orbs for 5USD for the basic BP, and another 1,600 "Get now" orbs for the collector's BP. They could also put the orb rewards towards the end of the BP, so that the players would have to keep playing in order to reach it. I think including orbs in BP would be a way more healthy system than what we currently have, I don't know what you're defending.
For science!
Just atrocious. I’m sorry you guys have to deal with this nonsense as part of maxroll’s coverage.
How were you getting more than three gems per run. I thought you could only get 1 gem per crest and plug a max of three crests per run?
@@Godsslave777 Just to make clear: In case of D:Immortal, P2W stands for Pay2Whale, not Pay2Win.
..... cause even if you pay, you're still not winning. Only if you [massively] whale, you MIGHT win. ( e.g. => p2w2Mw :> )
@@mathewbenford2981 you can use 10 crests.
@@olfan92 well I don't know how I've missed that thanks
I’m not gonna lie, seeing anybody in the Diablo community push this game gives me reason to stop supporting them as a content creator. Blizzard deserves all the backlash they are getting for this one. Llama had the right idea, play until it asks for money and bail. He was generous with a whole hour. Imagine releasing a game so bad that the people who have kept your company name afloat can’t even stand the thought of it.
I had higher expectations from blizzard, theyll surely fuck up diablo 4 as well. I hope another studio creates a similar game without the heavy pay2win. Loved d3, felt really smooth to play.
@@lightnesskingpwnsyou try lost ark its grindy but raids are cool
@@bYb81 already played it :)
@@lightnesskingpwnsyou path of exile.
Yea people shouldn't play this game period cause then they are saying it's okay for other game developers to do the same thing.
1st of all im a hardcore Player myself, was thinking about to outplay the "whales" by spending more time than these Gates but then i realized that this wont going to happen. So Raxx thanks for confirming that for me, now I can uninstall it with peace of mind.
Which would be almost as bad, as they say time is money. Content gating behind tons of time is not much better then content gating behind tons of money.
@@playerone6434 u dont go bankrupt with tons of money .... just think a bit with your brain before even type something ...
Don't quit yo, you can catch up to the whales in a decade.
@@francoisturgeon1176 No but if you would have spent that time working at a part time job. You would probably make enough money to whale out, and then still have money left over.
@@tzera_rhuon 😂
I mean, I spent $115 MSRP on Diablo 3, counting all the expansions, and played it for 10 years.
I get that those days are over, but the levels of toxic exploitation here are just beyond the pale.
Those days might be over for Blizzard but not all developers seek to rob their fans and create addictive gambling systems in their games. I'm going to support developers who don't do this scummy crap. POE has never ripped me off, same with Last Epoch which is looking to be a great game in active development.
@@Peanutfiendsblog You are absolutely right. You can play PoE 100% for free and all you are missing is some stash space. You can get all the stash space you might need for the 115$ Luke has spend and then some too, so it's not expensive either. That is how you do a F2P game with fair monetization and I am happy to spend my money there for cosmetics or private leagues supporting the developers. Spending money on crap like Diablo Immortal that is designed to give you a little boost of progress each time you spend 2$ is just dumb.
@@Peanutfiendsblog i actually got some mtx in poe, since i just liked the game and decided to support them. Voluntary spending is one thing, but locking you out of pvp and endgame pve is just greed. The more we allow it, the worse it will get.
@@Peanutfiendsblog
ehhhh...POE seems to be going downhill lately.
stopped playing since 3.15 since they guttted thhe damage and kept on making the creeps harder and caan one shot you more often.
letts not even forget the tedious journey from act 1 everytime you wanted to make a new toon.
and sentinel? well,thats a flaming piece of crap,thats for sure.
thatt being said,this POE game,even in this state is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY better than diablo immortal
@@bonevgm Totally Agree Ivo! You don't feel guilty buying some stash space or a skill effect in POE because the game is excellent, developed very rapidly and not at all necessary to "win". I actually like supporting the game. I think GGG enjoys playing POE just as much as their customers do. Imagine the devs of Diablo Immortal enjoying playing their own game knowing that the entire system is designed to rip the user off. I just can't see it at all. There's no passion for actual gaming left at Blizzard anymore.
Comparing D:I to gambling is offensive... to gambling.
When you gamble, you spend your time and money for the excitement of having a small chance you'll leave with more money than you started.
When you play D:I, you spend your time and money to avoid the frustration of spending even more time watching numbers go up on a screen.
Kudos to Blizzard for creating a hobby more parasitic than gambling. No out-of-season April Fool's joke here.
Gambling is a bit worse still due to the mentality of I can make back my loses but I'll still take gambling over this game
For a better visual comparison (not just audio) for those that don't know, would have been cool to show a 3 rare crest chest opening compared to a 10 legendary crest chest. It's so over the top crazy! You go from getting tons of legendary gems vs not even getting one a lot of the time.
So true, I saw some clips like that. Imagine spending pulls in a gacha game and literally not getting a 3 star xD
More times than not, stacking 3 rare crests won't even give you a chest at the end.
Check asmongold clips he has that comparison
i got 2 legends yesterday in a run with 3 rare crest , couldnt believe it myself haha
@@SurvivalGames1 Yeah, but none were 5 star ones, were they? 1 and 2 star are craftable.
Thanks for this. I bought D3 and expansions three times for different systems and I don't regret any of it. I'm not even opposed to microtransactions, but that is just... greedy. I was wavering on if I was going to jump into Diablo Immortal, and after seeing your video, I know I'm not ever going to bother. It's not even worth trying to F2P when they're gatekeeping the high tier stuff at that level. I expect something like this from EA, but not Blizzard (well, at least not THAT bad).
After Blitzchung and the sexual harassment and discrimination allegations, you shouldn't expect anything from Blizzard.
We also have: Warcraft III Reforged.
In summary: fuck Activision Blizzard.
@@HirokiEtsuko and d2r broken lobby
5-star gate
Straight to the point, right through Blizzard's bullshit. Keep on keeping on man
Grinding or paying? 😂
Uhm... he spent $290 on the game. I don't think Blizzard minds that... Could have just made the point without spending money...
Activision not blizzard. blizzard died long ago.
Its called a Paywall.
Hardly, the guy is playing the game regardless. Should fuckin blacklist / boycott.
And his brother is playing it also.
Point is, the guy is trying to make it seem like Blizzard are fucked, when both him and his brother are equally fucked for participating.
Keep on riding the bandwagon of others thinking for you, mindless bliss.
Blizzard: This game isnt pay to win as we do not sell "Items". So you dont gain any advantage whatsoever.
Also Blizzard: So here are these OPTIONAL gems that you can enchant your items with, giving you a "minor" boost in your stats. Just like in Diablo 3. Dont worry this isnt P2W because they arent "items" they are just OPTIONAL additions that you can give to your items.
Can you blame them tho? Idiots in the gaming community justifying p2w games for years now labelling them as pay2convinience and other bs terms like that. Corporation will be greedy it’s up to people to stop them by not buying into their scummy bs but it seems like it’s not going to happen and so we getting more and more of this nonsense in games.
I really hope more countries will follow Netherlands and Belgium.
@@morthii facts. Unfortunately a lot of us feed into the cycle. But more awareness of the cycle is being spread so hopefully things change. Plus the battle royale scene is dying down a bit, and so are lootcrates.
As well as Elden Ring showing what pride and joy in your own work instead of cash cow’ing a game should help
I love the game, but i uninstalled to protest the disgusting range of p2w. Mobile gaming can stay in Asia
Cause asia is better than u
Did the same after 2 days this has to be boycotted u shall not pass
Lol no. Mobile here to stay.
Did you boycott arcade machines too? P2W and gambling has been around and ingrained in everything for decades it’s not going anywhere. It’s just the landscape and medium have changed. Do you boycott TCGs? Just going to have to avoid buying and try to enjoy the game or play a different game. Heck, even happy meals are loot boxes with random toys for kids.
Same here! Be the change you want to see in the world.
Concise, clean and to the point like always, Raxx.
Great job man thanks for clearly explaining and show us what's going here, and you are a good brother lol
This game requires a lot. I may have the $$$. But not the time to do 6254262 runs. Maybe like 2 runs. 🥲
As soon as I got through the intro and got to see for myself how bad the pay-to-win I stopped. I have played Diablo since the initial release of Diablo 1. I am still currently a top 500 leaderboard player in Diablo 3. Pay-to-win is worse than the bots and cheating in Diablo 3... I will not waste time on this game.
Love your channel Raxx, you are a beam of light in these times we live in
you kidding me? He pushed this pos game for months and now he realizes pay 2 win is bad? Fuck off lol
Your luck there was actually insane! Probably accidentally tempted a whole bunch of people to gamble on some gems.
Ive used about 400 legendary crests to test. And from what I've gained, I definitely believe that it would take around 200k to max out
Dude for real he got six five stars in 100 that's four more than guaranteed and he got a sheeping bio and echoing shade I can't even
@@Berdymadafakas but think about how many of those it would take to upgrade. I have an echoing shade and it's only rank 3 because they so hard to get
exactly this video is fcking toxic in tempting viewers to bet on their luck. Most ppl won't get even a single 4/5 out of 100 crests. so you r not scientist u just blizzard's shit game's advertiser
@@downer9099 I got a 3 star echoing shade on a one legendary crest. It is hard.
As you said yourself you used 40 bucks and your brothers char blasted past you with targeted money on crests. The empowered battle pass and Boon are mostly traps. The only "value" item in anything is the legendary crests as legendary gems are way more powerful than anything else in the game.
I bought the BP mainly for the cosmetics. I wish the game was built around cosmetics and not around buying power :(
@@Simkets They make direct references to the battle pass for a source for more power inside the game. Same with the boon.
And ofc not really saying fastest way of getting power are legendary crests, although it's going to cost you a house.
@@teapea8184 🥺
Great video again Raxx, I just wanted to put in again, the Diablo part of this game is pretty good, but man this monetization and gatekeeping is so tragic.
Guess I'll see you again in the next D3 season, instead of in Immortal. :P
Keep up the great work!
Dude, the boss mechanics and such in immortal, just make me sad for d3, all of these cool fights, and class abilities could have been in D3, but it's like they kept it purposefully bland for this shit.
I have played it since launch as completely free to play. I am LVL 60 paragon 12 right now. What is apparent is you cannot really jump in power without paying to get gems. Sure you can grind out paragon levels but a singular level gets you one paragon point to spend which really is a negligible change. I refuse to pay and I am already sick of the grind so it's time to move on.
Same F2P here, I am planning to stop when farming does minimal improvement for me. I guess that will be hitting 60 then?
Same here im paragon lvl 12 but there isn't much I can do anymore playing pvp I get wreck so hard and when I check the other players stats its like dam
Same here im paragon lvl 12 but there isn't much I can do anymore playing pvp I get wreck so hard and when I check the other players stats its like dam
Damn I'm losing hope then haha. Im level 57 and gonna paragon soon.
playing 3 days for free and having fun with it, is like 9999% more worth, then spending 20€ and play 30 days and having no fun after a week, because you have to invest more if you want to be strong...
He definitely said 'my brother' too many times for it to actually be his brothers account. You know he's gonna be loving it on this p2w account 😆
enjoyed the game for the first couple days , bought the pass just for cosmetics and then I found cosmetics are not account wide and the more I level up the more I relaise this is just d3 but legendaries and sets are less impactful and the legendary gems which I can barely get my hands on a 1 or 2 star ,are the power house ,which means no ladder for me ,no big numbers no highest difficulty raids ,no pvp ranking ,it will be like playing d3 for free but you are only able to do nephlium rift and struggle while doing them like a noob did , even if I no life it it would still have no meaning cuz paragon levels are capped and eventually everyone will catch up with me with half the time spent ,and elder rifts has no meaning without legendary crests
Half the time? Oh no no. You mean whales will literally be (mathematically, mind you) 1000x stronger than you. Sure, it's not that apparent yet since it's just been a few days, but once the game matures, say a month or so, you'll feel just how far away the distance is.
@@yvannenikolainethercott5709 I miss d3 but it's content is very poor compared to this but then again am hitting the paywall very soon which is pretty much same thing
One and only BIG mistake: you bought the pass.
@@Ailyph I didn't know it was going to be like this ,I thought p2w only increases your chances ,turns out its the only chance you got 🤦
@@NoobMaster-yw6eo bro not only that it’s only per character? How can they do that to people? Spend 20 bucks on only one guy that is stuck on this one server? So if you friends are somewhere else you’re just screwed.
Damn, wtf. That’s just beyond crazy. I’m sorry they tricked you and didn’t explain it well enough.
I can't believe you got those, I've been playing since it came out, I've done the all crest rift a few times yet I've never even seen a three star gem in-game. Honestly, I think I'm about done with this game myself.
Just to give you an idea of the RNG of the 5/5 gems in this game I'll give you an example using slot machines.
A 96.5% slot with a 1 in 200 chance to hit the bonus can run 1000 spins without a bonus. It doesn't happen to often but 500 spins without a bonus does. As per RNG, you will average out over time, 1 in 200 spins. But that 1 in 200 is per spin. There is no entropy on that percentage of 0.5% per spin.
1 in 2000 means you could run 10,000 rifts or more without getting a 5/5 gem. Consider the cost of that. Then uninstall this trash and support real game developers.
To those who don't know about slot machines it is an extremely confusing example, whereas the actual probabilistic process at play with crests is pretty basic.
@@wiwhwiwh1241 that depends on the entropic nature of the RNG, which I believe does have a pity timer from what I've heard in other videos, so it's probably not as bad as slots. But even so, 1 in 2000 is a lot considering the time sink and the money sink on top.
@@tehf00n for sure!
250 bucks for 100 crests means ON AVERAGE you're paying $5000 for one 5star gem. But about 1/10 people will pay twice that much and still won't have a 5-star gem.
@@user-et3xn2jm1u Pretty sure you can use other 5 star gems to upgrade the 3 and 4 stars though...So you don't actually need to hit the crazy odds of a 5/5 star. People doing the calculations haven't taken all factors into account.
Because of your videos you saved me a lot of time and energy in this game and I’m eternally grateful for that!
You actually just got crazy lucky on that 4 star gem! 😂
So true wtf not even 2k whale will get 4star he got 2x 4star for 250 he just broke the luck.
Still saying that IT was worth IT ...IT is not .we will see prolly will uninstall too
blizzard have stooped to unbearable levels now
@@yorkshirelad3133 you mean activision. Blizzard north died a longggg time ago
This is and Add. This is Outcome is insanely lucky.
Drop chances for a Legendary gems when using a Legendary Crest:
1-Star (1/1 Star ) : 75.395%
2-Star (2/2 Star ) : 20.105%
5-Star (?/5 Star ) : 4.5%
When a 5-Star Legendary Gem drops while using a Legendary Crest, further drop rates are:
5-Star (2/5 Stars ) :75%
5-Star (3/5 Stars ) :20%
5-Star (4/5 Stars ) :4%
5-Star (5/5 Stars ) :1%
you can check these rates at the crest merchant by clicking the ( i ) in the top left corner
So basically his initial (?/5 Star) roll was pretty average at 6/100 but the fact that he got 2 of the (4/5 Stars) at a 4% chance when he only had 6 chances total is pretty insane luck.
Thanks for the explanation. I've heard lots of people saying it's P2W but they weren't able to explain exactly why, they were just parroting the headlines. I'll continue to play as I do other mobile games; just as something to kill a few minutes in a waiting room or on the toilet, but it's clear this isn't the game to try and become super powerful in.
I understand wanting to play for the hell of it but this game needs to crash and burn. Like soon. The fact that you get like 3 free pulls and then have to either wait a month per pull or compete with people who will absolutely gobble up all the crests every server reset? Hooooooooooly shit that's terrible.
Judging by how long it takes to get these pulls, it sounds like it would take years and years to get any sort of decent gems and gear. Now imagine that, but with the fact that this game will update multiple times xD It's going to add more gems and more difficult content! It's literally IMPOSSIBLE to catch up to even the basic requirements as an f2p judging by this xD.
Lol you don't care about your time if you only play mmorpgs on toilets
Just play it for fun here and there. Mobile game. Feels gr8 lol
I actually started playing d3 because of immortal. Just started my seasonal character, really fun.
Same
That'll teach Blizzard! Nice work, lmfao.
@@CampaignerSC I already had d3 from like a decade ago. I didnt pay a dime for immortal. Cry is free.
There’s a major difference between legendary crests (the few free to play ones) and ETERNAL legendary crests (those that you buy with actual money) and that difference is that you can’t sell the ftp legendary crests on the marketplace and they are bound to your character.
This is done exactly so that you literally CANNOT do anything as ftp and to make you spend money for that battle pass even though it will be 100% USELESS.
Play Path of Exile and stop touching this garbage.
I never touched it, I hade done some math and after this I came to conclusion fuck this shit, I play PoE, Dia3 or other games I own, no need for P2W bullshit game.
People, literally, didn't pay anything to download and enjoy Diablo Immortal, but you also want the company to lose the millions they spend making, promoting, and maintaining it, monthly, just because of broke people that are lazy and selfish?
D3 and PoE are neither not as massively multiplayer/interactive as Immortal, nor are they as fun to me because--no matter what any game is-- it feels like a "dead" waste of time when I don't have other people running around. Blizzard makes multiple games.
Yes, I hate p2w too, but people that download free mmorpg should know that they need to contribute monthly, at least. Maybe, like WoW subscription? We can talk about better ways to monetize, but would you listen to the guy that thinks you should give your RAV4 to him free, or the one that will overpay you two million dollars for it?
@@devastorm356 How about instead of making it a P2W game, why not make really cool looking skins to buy, great looking armor pieces, changing how a skill looks like by making it more badass. I wont pay to make myself stronger, ill pay to make myself LOOK stronger.
@@devastorm356 yes because the only way to make actual money is making your game pay to win where you must spend hundreds of thousands to unlock everything… Plenty of games show that you can do cosmetics only and make a killing. Not to mention the money they would make off of a cosmetic season pass… thats at least $5-10 every other month… times that by a few thousand and your making your money back.
@@devastorm356 don’t even try to reach into the “companies shouldn’t just give you stuff for free” strawman, because 1) that’s not what everybody is asking and complaining about, and 2) there’s a HUGE difference between asking people to pay a fair price for a decent product and the utter greedy garbage that these POS are doing to us all, you included.
This is about Blizzard going the extra mile and employing the most predatory, scummy, absolutely manipulative, dirty psychological and monetary tactics to make the biggest profits imaginable in the most dishonest possible way, for what is beyond any doubt an *inferior product* for which they didn’t invest (nor will they ever invest) even the tiniest fractional spec of the resources that could justify your “but it cannot be free” reasoning.
There are methods and there are limits to everything, and this time Blizzard really went over any possible limit.
It doesn’t matter if you’re so used to this kind of mediocrity that you would ignore everything done to lower the quality of games, raise their prices, and push predatory practices that would be illegal even in actual gambling establishments.
I won’t even go in detail to discuss the legendary crest/eternal legendary crest bullshit (which makes the definitely NOT FREE Battle Passes *useless*), the dozens of scummy in-game currencies, the predatory tactics done to skirt around pro-consumer regulation so that they don’t have to tell you their loot boxes odds and can give you completely pitiful loot chances even when you spend 25 dollars for a single rift run (you can’t justify the fact that there are people who spent 10K of actual money in rifts and didn’t even get ONE single 5 star legendary gem, those odds are just wrong), and all the other completely dishonest, greedy mechanics that this game has, and if Blizzard has just done a better game where they YES make you pay but are not so blatantly predatory, nobody would have a single word to say against it!
I personally don’t care if you’re so used to mediocrity that you would rather prostrate and genuflect to the altar of that mediocrity instead of asking to huge companies to make your experience better by giving a decent, fair balance of cost and price to their product.
Thanks for video bro , I hope it opens alot of people's eyes
Imagine giving the current Activision Blizzard any money, even for science. Data miners already found these abysmal rates and the true cost of maximizing a character.
That was my thought as well. Dude’s talking like his family and friends are still playing, as is he…
I'm having lots of fun with the game currently. I didn't understand where the p2w was though, so thanks a lot for the info. It's gonna be a grind, but I think I can make a great character after a year or two of saving Crest given over time. I might not end up being the best, but I'm confident that I'll be able to be top tier by then. Great vid, keep it up!
10 years buddy, 10 years or $110k . Don't waste your life savings on this abomination.
@@KiritoTheAce Right now yeah, but a lot can happen in a year. Not saying they're gonna grow a heart and give away a ton of legendary Crest, but I can get anywhere from 3 to 5 Crest a week with just the battle pass and other miscellaneous activities. It's gonna be a grind, but isn't that what diablo is all about?
@@austioperosis6450 its not worth a second of anyones time or money, this one is DOA!!!!
You don't need to save them. You would end up with the same leg gems doing 10 runs with 1 leg crest each time, or doing 1 run with 10 leg crests. Might as well spend em when you get them ans maybe get lucky early
@@medic0157 it's mostly just for getting legendary drops. I'd like to wait till max level before I use too many crest of any kind, but getting good gems early is also super dope. I have 2 5 star gems at 2 stars each and it's pretty dope. I did buy the battle pass, but I'm cool with battle passes in f2p games.
They didn't even bother to give us a legendary crest every 2 or 3 days. Kind of nuts. Imagine if you had to pay primogems to do dungeons at all in Genshin. Or needing rc to buy an entry ticket for Valtan hard in Lost Ark.
Only reason people don't complain about genshin is that genshin doesn't have a 8v8 pvp feature, I'm a f2P and let me tell you this, i know I'm not gonna spend money on this game but I'm happy with the amount of fun i have rn and please don't hate on this game this much, the game is not even a FPS it's a MMORPG as long as you don't trying to be on top of the server or the god of pvp you won't have a problem
@@noshan0183 people like you are what’s wrong with the game industry now a days. Congrats.
@@delix8869 i literally said I'm a F2P but I'm having fun, you can't make people enjoy something if they don't want to i assume, it's not like i never crossed any p2w game in my life, while you have to spend 100k dollars to reach the maximum leve in the game, you can play the game for casual and actually enjoy it , that's my though on this game so....hope you learn how to have fun too :)
@@noshan0183 the fuck is wrong with you? you're just okay with this? what if the next time you went out shopping, bread was 45$, what if drinking water suddenly had to be bought otherwise you would simply dehydrate to death? thats the same concept here, to survive in this game and enjoy it, you have to spend obscene amounts of money, to do what you* came to the game to do, some people play casual, a lot of people are hardcore on the leaderboards. how is it not a problem to take that away from them, how would it be fair to take away any and all of your water and demand you pay for it? Players are the fucking lifeblood of the game, forcing them to decide between a shitty life playing or paying to survive past level 60, doesnt fucking seem normal, and neither do you
@@noshan0183 you’re telling people not to hate on the game even though it has one of the greediest, scummiest, most BS monetization systems. Get out of here. You’re probably a little kid so you don’t remember when games use to have all of its content without being locked behind $1000 paywalls.
Financial advisors call them whales because it dehumanises them. Treat these people as Human and call them Addicts. They are gambling Addicts and they need our help. Calling them Addicts is the first step to recovery.
I just assumed its because they are "getting huge" lol
3:40 This is basically "do 10 pulls" but you actually have to run a dungeon to open them.....that's evil and so well hidden behind gameplay.
Yeah but in gacha games you get pulls fairly regularly xD like I play genshin and I don't have to worry about only getting some weird subpar wishes daily, you get a currency and buy the sort of wish you want (And they don't cost a different amount). I'm not about to defend gacha games in general but the value that Diablo immortal gives you as an f2p is... It's just abysmal. It's beyond reprehensible, it's just evil.
@@narius_jaden215 Yep. DI's monetization is next level predatory and bad even by mobile game standards, and I hate when I see people constantly defend it by saying, "its a mobile game guys." As if thats a license to steal. DI's monetization is some of the worst your gonna see even in mobile gaming.
@@TheDestructodave520 bruh no. Many mobile games lovers truly hate this Diablo.
@@saimyintmyat9373 Thats my point, lol. People keep saying "its a mobile game" like we just accept this trash and we dont.
Its bad by mobile game standards so "its a mobile game" is a very poor excuse.
@@TheDestructodave520 true. Even gacha games are nothing compared to this Diablo.
I will keep playing as f2p without doin any pvp then (until I get bored), thank you for the "clean" explanation!
I love Diablo but honestly I uninstalled the gane on day 2. I suggest others do the same. What Blizzard are doing is shocking.
Did the same after learning the caps on alle f2p content (credits to maxroll team!). Was already frustrated nothing dropped 😜
I did uninstall earlier today
You can go ahead and uninstall. But don't "suggest" everyone to do the same. Welcome to mobile gaming
anyone willing to spend money on this like that is a problem
If you loved diablo, you wouldn't have installed it in the first place.
A couple years ago i met a college kid with an incredible little game he is making. Kinda like fire emblem with ninjas.
So i knew a dev and publisher of mobile games so i set up a meeting.
He and i were expecting to meet with devs but got confused when we met with three sales people.
Not one question about gameplay or the game itself.
They keep asking if the card system can be implemented like gatcha or how does micro transactions work in the game.
At the end of it we couldn’t answer most questions.
After that i just said to him “I think we just found out how mobile games are made now.”
That was depressing because i hated micro transactions.
they ruined a potentially great game. When i think of the raid system, it really makes me wanna keep playing, but the monetization just makes it unberarable. There's a great game under all the shit, and i hope some devs pay attention, extract the good shit, and make a great game like this one day.
It's not a potentially great game. It's a D3 skin placed on the pay to win mechanics with a few small changes.
There is no great game, the shit is part of the very game, it's designed like this from the start, yours is just an optimistic delusion
It’s a mobile game. It only exist to make money
@@topshelfbullys7889 It's actually on both PC and mobile. It exists to make money and to bring the mobile predatory monetization schemes to PC. It's another step in the direction of normalizing this type of garbage. Think of it as a gateway.
@@harbhub Yeah sure except it took one giant leap over other games of this type by offering basically zero free pulls xD. Also the fact that there are 100 legendary crests a day that you have to compete with others for is uh.... uhhh...
yuuuuuuuuuuck xD
I think there would be an easy way to handle this a bit: Daily reward should be an legendary crest and not a rare crest. Even though it would not fix the whole problem but it would be at least something for f2p to have at least any option to be competitive on the long run. I really wonder how blizzard could destroy this game so hard with this stuff because it is basically really fun to play for a while till you want to start something to progress in the endgame. I played the story and enjoyed this part of the game. But i see no real reason to continue playing the game afterwards.
We can only fix something that is broken, this is clearly not broken it`s completely intentional by Blizzard, I went to 9 matches in Battlegrounds, and every match there`s at least 1 guy doing 17/0, 18/0, a staggering 22/1, like the guy literally punching through a whole team by himself, that`s the power of whaling in DI.
@@shippy1001 monk whales are insane unlimited dmg and stuns lmao
@@shippy1001 You are right - it is broken. But it is at least a bit they could do. I personally do not care about pvp, I do not care about ranking, I do not care about being max on day one. The game is just out a couple of days now. They should equalize PvP, but as far as I know there is also a cap for how jewels work in PvP (mentioned by some other content creators but I can not really find a source from blizzard). But like I said: Play the story, don't put money into the game and delete it if it keeps in this current state.
I don't think you get it. There is nothing to "fix." The game was designed this way from the ground up. They most likely have a whole thinktank with a psychologist advisor contriving the best way to induce people to spend money. Someone can spend $200 and immediately feel powerful against free-to-play players, giving them a rush of endorphins and accomplishment. It's not an accident, lol. It's not "broken," it's working as intended. Watch for a year or two later in this game's lifecycle when they announce that they've received the community feedback and will be scaling down monetization in the game, after they've already got the majority of the revenue from whales, of course.
They didn't destoryed it, their goal was to make a shit ton of money. Even if it just 100 whales it's probably worth more than 100k f2p players. They accomplished their goals
We need to put pressure on blizzard to make sure this crap wont be in D4 in any form!!
short and straight to the point. NICE!
But we knew this is gonna happen the day they announced DI on blizconn all mobile games are like that.
Now the real question is and i'm afraid to ask it
do you think they will put something like that into D4?
cause i'm gonna need to buy a new table when they do :D
how can u still have hopes that d4 will be a good game? but i guess hope is one of the strongest human emotions
d4 100% is going to have bullshit monetization, it's the "new" blizzard.
nice video bud keep it up :)
Played til 60. Story isnt bad and its pretty fun but I'm probably done because I refuse to participate in this worse-than-gatcha style monetization.
Yeah... this makes gatcha games look positively blessed.
Horadrim aspirant keys have a huge role also, even the reforge stones, if you can roll perma Skill Dmg on all the equipment, its a lot.
Rax pls do not put any more money in these type of games! Even for science! The more money they get the more possible is to see such games in the future. I play it and the moment i feel that the game asks me a single penny i will quit! I don't like and i don't want these monitization and unfortunately what poe dev said " ..this is not a game" it is absolutely true.
“The one star legendary gems just punch you in the face and do nothing” 😂😂😂 I subbed after that. Thanks Rax.
How to become a millionaire: be a billionaire and play Diablo Immortal for a whole year.
This sums it up pretty well, I saw this when I was paying the beta. They would trickle feed you currency every day and it was the only way to get the legendary gems.
As an old player since Uni with Diablo I on PC, I will just enjoy the story which seems to be cool anyway… won’t get a penny out of me! Greetings from Sydney Raxx! You have fans here as well!
I hate listening to these, but you did a great job, no bs, no advertisements, just facts.
P.s. I spent $18 on the game the first day as well. I definitely regret it. Lol.
I had the game installed. Then I found out there were facial recognition and location software supposedly running in the background only in the Chinese client. Yea right. Uninstalled and never played the game. Then the truth came out about psychological shit in the game to get you to spend money. No thanks.
I'll be optimistic and say giving is a good feeling! Choosing to do this for your brother instead of for yourself was cool. I probably won't be buying next months pass unless it gets better
Great review! I just find the game too monetize to have advantage with other players &/or the game itself. That said, I still enjoy the game though regardless without spending money into it. Personally speaking, I think it’s really up your preference & how hooked you’re to the game. Tnx
a Reddit post did the math and suggested that if you want to max everything on ONE char. it will cost you between $100.000.00 - $250.000.00. in other words, you can choose between maxing everything out in a mobile game or even buying a house or a brand new car! or maybe both depending on what part of the world you live in!
The problem isn't whales wrecking F2Ps. The problem is that this game is literally DANGEROUS. It's preying on players with OCD, Teenagers with gaming addiction, gambling addicts or children who doesn't yet understand the weight of money.
Their target demographic is men in their 30's, 40's, and 50's. People with money who have played Diablo in the past and are dopamine addicts.
@@cwagnello Yea, but teenagers with $500 in their bank accounts are the collateral damage. Addicts with $2k in their bank account and spending half of those on diablo immortal are also the collateral.
@@chilly2171 i cant even feel bad for them, only thing that pisses me off is knowing blizzard is making money but the morons that fall for this shit and spend hundreds deserve to live in a gutter for being stupid
Thank you for the informative content!
Everyone should have the ability to get the best gear in the game. It really ruins things when you just have zero chance to ever get it. Make f2p people work harder for it, but they should have the ability to get it. It's just screwed up. Sad thing is this is a fun and well done game. I play it for a bit every night and am enjoying it. Wish it just sucked so it wouldn't annoy me so much.
Right
This post right here. Itd be a lot better if People can pay to skip not pay to forever be a lord amongst f2p. F2ps get the real experience and actual good loot propping out after u beat mobs which is the core of diabolo.if f2ps can't feel that why make the game free at all
Excellent video ! Short, precise, straight to the point ) And yes, the crest mechanism is perfectly explained here :)
doesn't mean the game isn't fun otherwise and that there isn't 'legitally' (100% free) more than enough possibilities to finish the game and rule PvM without troubles (when doing smart builds and gear selections like here)...but..yeah..if you want to maximize your character in a legit way (for the hell of it..mainly to be the King of PvP in your local area i guess..till the servers do exist and your account isn't closed^^), that's just impossible for the very same reason here, ultimately... !
When this came out, I would have hoped that EVERYONE would be like "fuck this", but you have dozens of videos of people spending money "just to show what it's like"
Too much greed from developers, but also from players with more money than brains.
wait. don't blame the developers. Blame the publishers and Upper Management. The developers care about gameplay, their specific role and getting food on the table. They take no profit from this. It's all the Publisher and Upper Management who take the big bonuses for making shareholders happy.
@@tehf00n if you really think blizzard developers care about gameplay, you don’t know blizzard.
@@TasseurLachov I am actually a game developer. You are right though, people don't differentiate because they see the company as a whole, but really it's a compartmentalised set of groups of skillsets. A lot of game developers never even touch technical lead work or project management but someone has to do it. They usually offload it to people who aren't even game developers. Just people who can use systems analysis software.
@@TasseurLachov The thousands of players can easily keep profits afloat if they spend the alleged 110k to keep up their power level each xD xD xD.
This needs to die. The game needs to burn xD.
@@tehf00n I respect the work game devs do, but the publishers took this game and pissed all over it before setting it on fire. And now they charge for it xD.
Thank you for your integrity efforts
Just imagine with me what fun these mobile MMOs would actually be if it was just subscription based play rather than all this P2W. This is just the launch of the game as well the P2W usually gets much worse as these games progress. Lineage 2 was so fun at launch for me and the community that we built was awesome in the server I played on but week after week just bigger and bigger packs of materials kept showing up in the shop, then 1 day a big update dropped and even bigger packs dropped and the end was nowhere is sight...they just dont know how to stop themselves for the betterment of the game.
Oh, didn't you know that Diablo Immortal actually has a subscription option?! Yes, that's right, you can subscribe to the Boon of Plenty for $9.99 a month and be rewarded by Daily Login bonuses (that disappear if you don't claim them in time). Isn't that some fantastic value for money?
Thank you for the info.
I haven't spent anything and seeing this don't plan to do so. Game is already beginning to feel stale and I've not even finished the campaign.
Looks like I will get bored in another week or so.
Working as intended.
you have about the software. I personally enjoy learning so it was a little bit easier to do it over ti. But you’ll get there brother
Imagine. If the community as a whole, invested as much money as the amount of micro-transactions in this game then we would have our own game.
yes but people are stupid so it doesent work
yup. wont even bother playing it. Thanks for keeping us updated. I will stick with D3 until D4
The hilarity in the game chat people making excuses for it being completely p2w but other games are too!!🤣 Blizzard fanboys are some of the funniest people on the planet just mental gymnastics abound
I mean, ~$110,000 USD to max a character vs F2P being roughly 10% as powerful... That's a bit more extreme than most P2W games.
Also, they will almost certainly be releasing more content, making that 110k rise up with each update.
You had INSANELY good luck omfg nice!!
The general chat trying to defend this game just kills me, some of the insane stuff they said made me laugh while I was crying listening to this video.
Play the game casually for the Diablo storyline and nostalgia, it was great. Already completed all the campaign, dont really know where to go from here.
I'm still playing it, currently level 47 I spent like 5 bucks , I try to not boggle my mind much and get Influenced by people but I think ill be up for a rude awakening once I hit level 60 and do end game stuff,but I'm assuming that's how most f2p people will be like, once they reach 60 and see the huge difference, they will all start quitting and Blizzard will start moving their snake tactics again to lure us back in
This monetization is pure evil. The stingiest gacha games give more free pulls than this terrible trash, and their content isn't necessarily built around NEEDING those 5 star characters xD. Imagine playing pvp and fighting a guy with some 5 star gems and just getting routinely blasted because you don't pay money.
Idc how people justify it, that's awful, full stop xD.
Depends on ur gole if all you want to do is the same boring pvp then getting your reso super fast with money sure.
There is many ways to get gems and slow roll powering them it takes a lot of time and effort.
A warband will give you 1 eternal crest and one legendary every week.
Running rifts every week will give you 1 eternal crest when you save ur faded embers.
Plus gem power by crafting them.
Thats 3 crest a week that can give you a chance at five star gems.
Also being in a clan that has towers will also give you a chance at legendary crests as well as monthly events.
Hilt vender gives one every month.
Also doing ur lairs every week and maxing out ur normal gems from lairs and selling them on the market will dramatically boost ur platinum.
You can bank about 40k every 2 weeks just from that.
In one month you can purchase a 4/5 gem off market just wait a good price do happen.
There is many other ways of boosting your plat and chances of crest its all about grinding it out.
If thats not your thing and you want to drive a Bently on a bologna budget the games not for you.
I have shown my friends how to do this and after a few months they are 2+K Resonance and slowing climbing.
How about make a video on how to help them succeed not teach them the tricks.
For science, the memes... your not the only "content" creator to do this. YOU ARE PART OF THE ISSUE.
you completely missed the point, cringe idups fan
One interesting thing I've heard is that I believe that people that stream on twitch or other platforms and and play games as their job I think can write off their expenses, paying less during tax time. I don't mean to get too personal Raxx, but is that true? if so, they have a pretty distinct advantage over others.
This isn't a secret. Mtashed himself even admitted that probably one youtube video covered most of his genshin expenses with easy and that was in the thousands.
Before he went F2P anyway.
Just like Diablo 3 with the RMAH, you can't get anything without spending real money due to obscene drop chances.
I’ll take that RMAH enabled shitty legendary drop rate over whatever this impossible bullshit is any day lol - at least I was able to grind with friends to eventually beat post-nerf inferno act 4, as opposed to never having a chance against these whales.
RMAH wasn't a problem...it has no inherent links to inferno difficulty scaling being complete shit or the legendary/set drop rate being obscene.
@@xSayPleasex Really? Is that why gear became insanely easy to get once they removed it?
@@TrampyPulsar I could be wrong, but I remember the drop odds bump coming quite a bit after RMAH removal. Either way, my point is a RMAH isn't a bad thing to me on its own, if Blizzard made the inferno scaling as fucked as they did to force AH that is just pathetic on their part.
Maybe a compromise would be an AH which Blizz takes no money from...so there is no conflict of interest on their part with regard to game development issues.
Quick question, if you don't PvP or care about leaderboards, does the p2w problem impact you?
Inspect ability soon to be removed
You forgot gem awakening at lvl 10 since it's easier to get fragments and rank up gems while whaling. Some of the awakening bonuses includes cooldown or reduction and skill boosts
Spending money on the blizzard game to teach blizzard a lesson. #winning
Very intelligently explained, great job mate, now I know exactly why whales pwn me with a pinky flick.
People in the comments, it's confusing why you're blaming blizzard for making a mobile game which aligns with mobile gaming's current pricing trends. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the companies that made games like summoner's war, star wars galaxy of heroes, or marvel strike force. Gacha games have been requiring people to spend tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars to be competitive for almost a decade.
You can really tell who has and hasn't played mobile games before immortal by how much/little they care about this game having whales in it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting these trends in any way, I'm simply acknowledging their existence. And that it's kind of shocking to see this level of outrage, given that none of this is surprising to see in a mobile game in any way whatsoever
Diablo is an established AAA franchise and Blizzard are AAA publishers. The expectations aren't the same as any other mobile game and this game is also on PC DAY ONE. How is that a mobile game again? Add in the fact that this is basically Diablo 3 down to the engine so once again, how is this a mobile game? they got a predatory version of d3 to work on a phone and I'm supposed to obfuscate reality and pretend it's just a mobile game and nothing else and then excuse absolute garbage? nah, that doesn't sit right at all.
@@peepopoo4387 it's in beta on PC still, guess you missed the memo. Too busy being in shambles over a mobile game having mobile gaming monetization. Like woah! Who would've thought. We all got absolutely bamboozled /s
Here's an idea, if you don't like the game, don't play it. But instead you're here whining like a kid letting the game live rent free and giving everyone some entertaining comedy 😅
Thanks you for supporting this game with your money.
I highly encourage f2p players to go into pvp and throw matches to decrease the incentive to engage in the gem system.
Go in, bait your teammates into 2vx fights then run out, misposition on the map, take a pve skill set into pvp etc. Do things that make it hard for the DI systems to detect trolling but infuriate whales trying to climb pvp boards. Because the way pvp is set up, it’s very hard to solo carry matches.
waait.DI detect trolling pvp? why? whatt happens if you get caughht?
Thats a waste of time.
I’m F2P and get top of scoreboard every game
That's cringe. Just don't play the game at all instead.
@@vicc6790
thats cringe,seeing people like you defending DI.
criiiiiiingeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
I did get a 5/5 seeping bile with under 200 spent. But house still wins in the end.
the solution is simple : Open a server "free to play "with only battle pass and skin available
That would require blizz to lose an opportunity to squeeze players dry. You know they won't.
This is why I will NEVER do PvP in Immortal again. In my first (and only) PvP match the instant a player from the other team entered my screen I was dead. It was infuriating.
I can’t understand how this is even fun for the whales, unless you just love bullying people, cause it ain’t for the competition, that’s for sure.
Seriously study the guide you wrote, get ready to have fun, but because of p2W, on the fourth day, uninstalled
Why? Game itself is amazing, p2w does not affect you at all unless you try very hard to compete, spend ton of time etc. For casual gamer theres no better mobile arpg game, p2w doesn't touch your game experience
@@sixtimesdead people cant really seem to grasp this..well said!
@@Revarine ppl are sheep... They simply jump on p2w bandwagon, while in reality the amount of f2p players who go hard is even less than ppl who went for GR 150 each season of d3. Most ppl are casual gamers who don't even do all dailies each day, not to mention try to compete for top of leaderboards
@@sixtimesdead gameplay is great but i think it's not just about p2w. it's about the manipulative tactics. the team of psychologists they've employed to try to get you to spend money. it's about the principle of creating a game to extract money from consumers lol. but also you're kind of right i think. the hatred for the game is most just content creators trying to capitalize on the drama and making a million vids about it. It would be amazing if people cared about other real problems in the world as much as they seem to care about this lol.
@@sixtimesdead I don't want to be the companion of krypton gold players. In the first three days, I got 5 graduated legendary equipment and 6 graduated legendary gems, although it was only 1 star gem (I organized the strategy for 3 days in the early stage), in the first three days, my tower climbing ranking was 9-15 However, on the fourth day, the top ten players have all 4-star gems and 5-star gems, and I know that even if I work hard for a week, I will not get a 3-star gem. Time is money, and I felt like the time I put in next would be meaningless, so I uninstalled. Have you ever experienced a one-sided massacre in an arena?
Thanks Raxx! Now we can get back to grinding D3 and Elden Ring. haha
These were literally the best drops I have seen of any of the streamer whales I have watched. who have spend way more the $250
Quinn69 spent 4000 USD and didnt get one 5/5 gem
@@nathanbell6962 yeah I watched him for hours to see when he got one. Best he got was a 4/5. He's at $7,105 NZD and still no 5/5 🤯
@@nathanbell6962 sooo does it actually matter if that makes sense? Like how many people will be dropping more than 20 bucks a month realistically platerbase should be equal . I think min max culture is partly to blame for blizz greed also
@@conorf8091 diablo games used to be about time spent for higher chances of drops, now it's cash spent. There's no hope for D4
@@Hossimo hooooooly shit what?
I didnt even bother to even start the game after install it. I smelled this would happened so i waited for reviews first and hell im glad i waited.
the last 10-15 years.... we went from no ingame transactions to cosmetics only > starter packs> lootboxes/pay to improve> pay2win> pay to even be able to play endgame...... few years to go and u gotte pay to be able to hit a mob........
Per your last point of paying to hit a mob, that already exists in mobiles games, it's called the stamina/energy system.
not to worry tho if u spend a extra $100 after u bought 10 hits (and hopefully killt the mob) u get to see the lootbox that u can buy.... ITS 800 % VALUE THO SO GO GET IT!!!! its only 1000 gems tho and we sell gems by 600 1500 or 4500 batches!!!!!
@@tzera_rhuon i know, this is why its just a mather of time and we gotte play with our credit card/debit card connected to our games.......
all the hours of discussion about this issue and all someone really needs to do is watch that first elder rift to see exactly what's going on. The scary part is that you aren't even buying anything except a chance at the best gems until you hit the pity quota. This plus purchasing bonuses that you lose unless you log in every single day is just predatory as hell.
In other words. Unless you are farming rifts with legendary crests which you have to keep buying, farming anything else is useless right?
If you go there “first clear rewards” on the challenge rift leaderboards, you will see “Ezareth.” I asked him “how much money have you spent on this game?” And he said “$28,000.” And then I said “that’s a brand new car.” And he said “I don’t need anymore cars. Just a hobby.” That was a few weeks ago. So I bet he’s spent more money by now. But I did later stumble upon him in Westmarch. Pretty cool. But I’m sorry I make $28k in one year and I have bills and rent and car insurance. Too much to worry about than spending money on a game.
So this game isn't worth playing to be competitive. But is it worth playing for the campaign story, if any?
You should have brought a lottery ticket also with the amount of 5 stars that dropped. I use to do 10 runs and most of the time would receive the 2 or 3 5 star gems. They say it's rng but from my experience i believe there is a hidden loot drop system we aren't being told about
I wish you could get orbs Battle Pass. If we would get around 1,600 of orbs, I think it would make it more balanced. Since you would be basically paying 5USD a month for 1,600 of orbs. It would make the game less money heavy and more consumer friendly. This system wouldn't be praying on your wallet and even people who would only pay 5USD a month would get a lot of benefits.
The cost of 4-5 star legendary gems in auction are like 200-500k platinum...
Even if u get 1500 orbs, that's at best 150k platinum...not to mention to rank up 5 star would cost a ton of gem as exp
@@kendamen 10 legendary crests cost 1,600 orbs? If we would get 1,600 orbs a month. That's 10 legendary crests a month + a few you can buy in-game for free and those 2 that you get in the BP itself. I mean, it's better than nothing. And this would help the majority of the players to reach high power levels too.
The current system is way more favorable to the paying players and I don't think that's good. Sure, you need to make money if your game is free. But forcing hunders of dollars out of players? I think paying 5 dollars a month, so you have at least slightly better chance of enjoying late game without paying hunders of dollars, would be healthy. They could do 1,600 orbs for 5USD for the basic BP, and another 1,600 "Get now" orbs for the collector's BP. They could also put the orb rewards towards the end of the BP, so that the players would have to keep playing in order to reach it.
I think including orbs in BP would be a way more healthy system than what we currently have, I don't know what you're defending.
How much rewards would they get if they stay at the top of the leaderboards? Is it worth?
Ah yes, thank you for your very dedicated science experiment on your brothers account lmaaaooo