PT 9: "KANYE WAS POSING AS A BACKPACKER" TALIB SHARES THE MOMENT HE SAW KANYE AFTER TALKING SH*T
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If its corny to be a poser then most if hip hop is corny.
Was just thinking how Hip Hop in all of its attempts to be as cool as possible can & does definitely became corny.
😂 you have no idea as to wtf you're talking about. @@DominicHolder-nn3um
Yes lol
What we see from Kanye today is who he's always been, once he got the money he was able to expose it more
He was who he is before the fame and money.
Like the old saying goes "money doesn't change you, only exposes what you already are"
Man ya act like ya can’t tell Ye got some mental issues, the fame & money just exposed it
They know that but don’t care cause secretly people root for the bad guy
He always been vocal even without the money. Dont use money excuse as to who he is
Lupe was also apart of this movement as well
The problem is we gotta realize music is entertainment and not real life
2 things can be true. There's room for authentic artists and pop star (entertainers)
Not all music is strictly entertainment, if it was just entertainment
then SOME of the music being made wouldn't be changing lives
Facts
@@AlexanderT.A.G bruh mad at ye for playing a part like every rapper isn’t a character
Tell that to the young generation that's going to jail, snitching on themselves in their own songs
That whole backpack wave was like the Native Tongues of the 2000’s but instead of groups like De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest and Jungle Brothers we had solo artists like Common, Kweli, Kanye and Mos Def 🔥🔥🔥 I now know that they had a name, “Soulquarians” which was literally a spinoff of the “Native Tongues”
westcoast backpack way doper.
@@USERD412 lol nobody even knows wtf you’re talking about. But the west did have the gangsta rap wave on lock ngl
@@cactusjack2264 people know. just not you. look up heiroglyphics. look up abstract rude. look up ras kass. thats a good start. your welcome.
@@USERD412
Never heard of west coast backpackers . But ok…. Lol
@@cactusjack2264
My thoughts exactly Lol
LETS BE VERY CLEAR. Despite Ye and Kweli verbally attacking each other. Kanye bridged the gap between backpackers and gangsta rap. It became commercial on his first album. End of.. If ANYBODY went to SOB in October 2003 they know what i'm talking about. Lets talk about the outcome.
Nah they’re 1and the same. No difference but lyrics and beat. Still think the same
and he's still a poser, which is supposed to be anti-hip-hop. I guess the means do justify the end, as long as the end is supposedly favorable.
Nah that’s real
RAPPERS that were both conscience and gangster - *TUPAC, WU TANG, BIGGIE, MOBB DEEP, NAS, Cool G Rap, ICE CUBE, CANNIBUS, LL COOL J, etc.*
The real question is, when did you start listening to rap, *BECAUSE YOU'RE CLUELESS!*
Public yes, behind the scenes many of these artists are cool.
I just knew Ye was posing as a Lo head because he couldn't even rock it right. But suddenly all my teddy bear sweaters that we had been wearing since forever in East Flatbush became "Kanye sweaters". Had me mad. My guy here got the cookies on though. Respect
How do we know you rocked it right ? That's all subjective and why were you emotional behind some clothing?
Kanye got drunk with power, he let the dark forces consume him. I think he was genuine about who he was, but right now he’s genuinely not that ANYMORE
Lost along the way
You are a fool. He has done nothing illegal, nor does he stay in legal trouble. He tells the truth and people call him crazy. He is far from crazy. What’s crazy is people looking to celebrities for agreement. He has every right to do wtf he wants to do. Diddy, Russel And Dre are far worse human beings
Kalib got drunk off a tiny bit of power
Kanye AND Talib confirmed he said it out his mouth and you still think otherwise? lol
Like Dave Chappelle has always said, Kanye West was always Kanye West...
I agree with Math, I never saw Kanye as a real “backpacker”. You could tell in those early years that as soon as he experienced a certain level of success, he was gonna switch up. He was letting everyone know who he is wayy back then. Only the backpackers were so hyped for Kanye. He just knew he could exploit the backpackers because no street dudes would accept him or his style of music at the time.
I don't see how he switched up. As an artist he started to evolve and I dont see what was wrong with that. His music was still always authentic and centered around what he was going through at the time. That never changed. His ways of expressing it just changed
Kanye has always been Kanye, “backpackers” wasn’t even a term. Graduation was a graduation from being a poor righteous teacher to the songbird of our generation
Kanye has been switching up throughout his whole career. The person who we’re seeing now is like the 6 or 7th different version of Kanye West. In 2002-2004 he was going hard with the “backpackers “. He was backpacking Kanye with The Louie V bag etc. And It was indeed a term and it was used for that whole movement at that time.
But I saw right through all that. He always wanted to be mainstream and sitting right next to JayZ. Not Kweli Lol
@@victorlofton4381 Adapt or die, that’s life. From Kanye “Gossip Folk” to ¥$ “King” he been authentic, maybe you changed 🧐
@@directordank
Yea ok. If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you 🤣
Speaking for a "backpacker" from that time, I sense he was a phoney from back then. I was where the the backpackers would be and never heard of him or saw him around until he got a major deal.
Kind of like Wayne with the skate boarding💯😭
@@Dipset415Lmao
He’s trying tho
He actually was rhymin in cyphers with real headz back in the day. This was back in the 90s. There’s a vid of him rhymin at Fat Beats and Percee P is in close proximity waiting to rock the🎙️
@@Use-Insight he came the day it opened and was only there because NO I.D. took him with him. Jazzy Jeff had more presence than that and he was just getting done with Fresh Prince of Bel Aire. Point is he wasn't as underground as he was selling to the public and tbh I think he was only around the underground ppl he was just to swagger jack
@@Quazey8 We might be talkin about 2 different instances. Are you talkin about this one? th-cam.com/video/rd6NS7CIqVU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=3BP9FMV3ux_MciaJ
My first Hip Hop concert was Talib at SJU. He brought out Consequence and Kanye as special guests. This was Spring 2003, a year before The College Dropout. Kanye was definitely using Talib and Mos to get some of that Indie Hip Hop recognition. They used to market Kanye as a Backpacker with a commercial budget. I think The Source used that phrasing specifically when they were talking about Kanye as he was about to release College Dropout.
…and now, both Kanye & Consequence can go take a long walk off a short pier!
It worked!
If you think Kanye was scared of Kweli and his crew with a bunch of GD’s backing him you a new fool😂
we don't; you're making this up
GD's were running with Kanye? Not a good look and if thats true they shouldn't admit it
The GDs still roll with Ye don’t get it confused!!! Iykyk
GDs in Brooklyn? 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@SethBByrd I thought they was megatrons or something out there
This whole logic flow was flawed bc who is more of a poser than a street rapper? 90% of the rhymes are lies or naw? You all know somebody in the clique that don't really fk with you, Ye just a bigger figure that have a hard time keeping his mouth closed when he supposed to. I know for a fact Biggie was telling stories more than anything. Plus he didn't want to be wearing no shiny suits and shit. Hip hop in the industry is ALL posing. For that dollar dollar bill yall.
Thank you. Look at battle rappers themselves, including Hoffa. They the main ones posing. Everybody tryna make entertainment real life when it’s supposed to be art
OK ...I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE OF THE DEFINITION OF..'BACKPACK RAPPER'....BUT I CAN TELL YOU THIS...I REMEMBER IN THE 90'S AS A A YOUNG MAN FROM THE BX....IN MY EARLY 20'S...WE PLAYED BALL AND WE WANTED TO BE MC'S....AND WHEN WE TRAVELED NYC...TO GO TO HARLEM 125TH STREET ON THE TRAIN..OR BK...OR ANYWHERE TRAVELING...WE CARRIED NOTE BOOKS TO WRITE OUR RHYMES IN...AND WE USED BACKPACKS...IN THOSE BACK PACKS WE HAD EVERYTHING WE NEEDED.....NOTE BOOKS..PENS/MARKERS....WEED AND BLUNTS...A 40.....THE BURNER....AND IF WE WERE GONNA SMASH SOMETHING THAT DAY..WE HAD DEODORANT ..A CHANGE OF UNDERWEAR AND SOCKS...AND A TOOTHBRUSH...THAT WAS JUST THE NYC WAY FOR US AS YOUTHS...AND I REMEMBER JUMPING IN CYPHERS...AND WRITING ON THE TRAIN...IT WAS ABOUT LYRICS AND THE CULURE OF BEING A REAL MC.....BACK THEN THERE WERE RAPPERS WHO HAD THAT RESPECT FOR BEING AN MC...KRS ONE...TRIBE...LEADERS OF THE NEW SCHOOL....WU TANG....BIG L....LORD FINESSE....DIAMOND D...SHOW BIZ AND AG....BIG DADDY KANE...CRAIG G....BOOTCAMP CLIK....THEY WOULD FREESTYLE AND HAD DOPE LYRICS....TALIB ...MOS DEF...AND ALOT OTHERS WERE THE SAME...LYRICS AND FREESTYLES...AND CYPHERS....THATS WHAT BACKPACKERS MEAN TO ME...THE ONES WHO WERE SO LYRICAL AND DOPE THAT THEY COULD JUST KICK A RHYME ANYWHERE...WRITTTEN OR OF THE TOP OF THE DOME...THATS WHAT BACKPACK RAP MEANT TO ME...THE ESSENCE OF THE HIP HP CULTURE OF BEING A REAL MC....AND SOME RAPPERS WHO CAME LATER ON FELL INTO THAT CATEGORY....SOME WERE GANGSTER...AND SOME WERE NOT.
👏 👏 👏 ..facts .im not from NY but i am NATIVE TONGUE CREW..so i agree wit ur perspective 💯..they have kinda have screwed the definition up and made it seem like a backpack rapper or “underground “ MC is less than or something corny whIch is the exact opposite of what it really is
PLEASE TELL THESE DIGHEADS AGAIN……THESE LITTLE MUFCKAZ WAS EVEN BORN YET
Nobody gon speak on Gat fishnet pants?! 😂😂😂
Yeah, and now that's all I am looking at😂. Tf is he wearing?
Looking like he just washed up on the shore 😂😭
Looks like some debris tangled up in old fishnets those clean oceans people pull out of the Pacific Garbage Patch 😅
It's a conspiracy of silence 🎣
For anyone that denies this...or was too young at the time, He literally brought Mos Def and Jay Z together. Not long after Mos and Kweli got sat down by Puffy and yelled at for a performance of Childrens Story. At that time there was a clear line of underground backpack rap and mainstream JayZ style street rap. Ye literally brought the 2 sides together. He produced for Jay, Ludacris, lots of big commercial names and Common, Kweli, Rawkus Etc. He was the bridge to the "Gap" like "Banana Republic" and "Old Navy". That's why that bar was so great at the time.
Yea I understand
I knew that was you, I can tell from your baseball cap 😂
Sheeiiitt I’m a southern back packer been one since 1978
Kanye was a regular cat. He wasn't a gangsta, he wasn't a conscience cat but he had knowledge. He was a rap version of a 9-5 cat that goes to the club on the weekend. He 42 faked us.
What k owledge he had hesus walks but yeah
@@astarothamon2113he knows more than he lets on for sure
@@astarothamon2113 I wouldn’t say a lot. But aware.
College dropout & late registration had plenty of conscious raps
@@369pendulum light weight
Kanya is working with Dora the explorer he’s going back to school 🤔🫡🙏🏿 the blind does lead the blind
Shut up that’s sound stupid
@@retroessoExactly
Finally Kanye getting exposed
3:18-Yo was Cointelpro😂😂😂
It was over for me when I discovered that _Juesus Walks_ is *GHOST WRITTEN!* Kanye didn't write his most influential track of all time! _I LOST IT!_
If you believe that your slow
@johnniecarter3777 Throughout the years, it was *RYHMEFEST* who wrote Jesus Walks and numerous other Kanye tracks! Now a days, kanye has five different Ghostwriters! This is why he sounds different on every album.
yep
I'm with u
Ye bridged the gap between backpack and street rappers
Nah
They’re 1 and the same
Not true revisionist history. Ye just did what other rappers before him did. Tapped into a sub genre that was bubbling
I feel he bridged backpack rap and mainstream even hip-pop of you will
...but we don't want or need it to be bridged. 🤔
Kanye’s not honest. He will do and say whatever to get what he wants.
He told him he was posing so that was honest.
Drake is literally posing as a rapper, and all these dudes defend him.
Drake wouldn’t be here without Kanye. Kanye birthed all this fake shit now be mad at him
Drake is a rapper
This is TETHER BABBLE ladies and GENTLEMEN. A bunch of immigrants talking on a BLACK AMERICAN ICON!
Deep " backpack " culture cats judge artist on their beats only. That first through the fire sample let's heads know "this brothers crossover"
There is a side of these types of discussions nobody talks about. The interesting thing about the hidden side is that it actually puts the reasoning behind terms like "backpack rapper" into context. Hip-hop reflects real life. It is a bit like prison - everything in the "inside" came from the "outside". In a sense, the "backpack rapper" was the derisory term of the broader anti intellectualism trend of neoliberalism and Reaganomics. Reaganomics was at the root of the black "thug model" which became the hub of a variety of anti intellectualism clichés of the mid 1980s. The funny thing is that the image that became iconic for the "thug model" rappers was an image concorted by Reaganite "conservatives". For those old enough, do you remember Reagan's rapidly breeding "black welfare queen"? Although she turned out to be white Linda Taylor, the image shaped most ideas about black women in the ghetto. Then Bush senior and the crime prone black thug that the Clintons and Joe Biden curated into the crime bill of mass incarceration. The privatisation of the carceral system followed rapidly. The "deadly symbiosis" was born and all the talk about "back pack rappers" is just another layer. Is Kool Moe Dee a backpack rapper? To the system, the most dangerous black person is not the "street dude" with a gun and a bandana. It is the one that drives a Volvo with a bookshop or library at home - the "backpack rapper" that likes breathing instead of the cemetery.
He was freestyling at Fat Beats in 96, the prep school boy from Park Slope is still mad.
Kanye has ALWAYS been overrated.
I don’t think Kanye was fully posing as a backpacker. But I do think it was a mixture. He added more flavor to it.
Naw he said he was posing
Kanye himself said he was
Yes I know. I’m just not sure if I fully believe him lol.
@@gfhygug1 He’s a poser. Believe it. Don’t be in denial.
@@gfhygug1 He’s a poser. Believe it. Don’t be in denial.
I’m with MATH on it, never really believed it to much of an extent…however I still believe there is nuance to this subject…
Math stay putting some clowns in that chair smh I thought the Gat Murdah dude was obnoxious, this other guy outdoing him with the lame shit
I don't think the backpacker or conscious label works for most people. Conscious or backpacker is just used to mean non-gansta rap. Some people are just "regular people ". Not necessarily conscious just not knuckle dragging "gansta".
Kanye wasn't really posing. He was just a known dork back then, so who else in the hip-hop world at that time would he be hanging out with? It was a natural fit for him
Kanye himself said he was posing
Kanye is the OG poser and the game is full of posers. 🤷♂
Know body thought kanye was a back-packer that is a backpacker FACTS! Kanye got booed at Talib show at the height of his career....FACTS! Backpackers HATED Kanye!...Kanye is just mental!
Did y'all ask him why Mos was posing in a dress after the Drake comment?
Nothing can come from a person that isn't within them.
Ye is the funniest in the room and he ain't even there 😭😭😭
Yall hating on Ye 😂😂
Now if they hate on Zionists 🇮🇱 there careers are over, blackballed out of existence oh and freeze your money like they illegally did Kanye west
Polo boots wants his own interview
Why you bring that weak ass song back at the beginning?🤦🏾♂️😩
Kanye been called himself a poser since before his first album. At Baseline he said, "all I wanna do is to sound fly, it don't matter what I'm saying, it's just to be fly". The way he said it, I immediately knew, "All falls down" was fake.
Is Talib serious??? The man is the son of two brilliant parents and he is constantly trying to talk like he isn't educated saying "dis and dat" and using other street slang, not to mention saying the n word constantly. He wants to be mad at Kanye for being fake????
Are you hard of hearing?
@@talibkweligreene1752 Are you seriously acting like you don't do what I said??
There's no such thing as a culture based on these comments. No historical context. Most live by industry standards and arent in the industry. But also truly havent experienced in the streets hip hop culture. And im not talking gangsta shit. Im talking about organic shit.
The realist comment on here
Kanye been wanted to sell out
He said he was posing as a joke during an interview. Talib is latching on. Sorry
Why I can't see the time span, is this exclusive?
And thats why i dont like kanye because the version of kanye i was a fan of was a whole sham
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Kanye west is a great entertainer that’s it
Of course he posed as backpacker, he came in at a time gangsta/thug rap was at its peak. Kanye bought in the nerd rappers, the Lupes and Drakes of the world
Kanye and Drake are just chameleons..I could tell Kanye wasn't a backpacker, especially if you listen and you know what real backpackers music and style looks and sounds like.
Why do everyone thinks kayne is a great mc, dude be saying the most basic shit, he's corny
So he’s essentially what drake is, but worse, and we praise one and dislike the other…this poser mentality makes me sick to my stomach
Dude's pants is WILD!
Ye definitely bridge the gap between backpack and street rappers big facts
The common thread of all posers is clout chasing for attention with a deep insecurity for not getting that attention.
Take a look back Kanye's career so far and look at how often this happens. Ex.#78: Remember when he dressed up as a bottle with a flash in the pan mumble rapper on SNL?
Kanye is a legend. Sure, he may have posed as a backpacker in the beginning but look at the versatility he has had over the course of his career and how many trends and styles in hip hop that he has helped to create. Ye is a GOAT. Especially when you consider his full body of work (with his production work for other artists included). People can hate on him for the crazy things he has said or actions he took in his personal life, but his musical output has always been on point as far as I’m concerned…
Ye was tweakin in that interview. Those that were around him in high school know. He was totally on that afro, beads, baggy Polo gear and Jansport backpack tip.
Kanye was literally theee backpack rapper
No, he wasnt
Homey in da green coulda stayed home
Kanye been corny Mr. Polol bear and I the 90s talib and mos wasn't no backpack rappers the corny title. They were street and conscious they just wasn't hard core rap
Talib is a herb. Worst flow ever. Off beat as hell . Most overrated emcee ever. Candace Owen would make kweli look
Like a clown if they debated.
I never realized, Kweli looks so much and sounds just like Immortal Technique.
Im sure he would take it as a compliment its just hard for you to believe it or not someone that corny and outta place could blow up quicker then you when they being they self when the talent is undeniable like that no one cares if your corny or hip this aint highschool.
despite him being corny who would want to pose as a dork basically be the carlton of hip hop talib sound real bitter
This guys trippin if he really thinks there ain’t no posers in hip hop
Ultimately they can be mad but his intent doesnt take away from his contributions to that scene. Poser or not, he still played a key role as a producer, rapper and record label guy.
Wasn't Black Moon and Duck Down Productions etc. was backpackers also?
Nebraska Tappin In
Kanye and Kid Rock are the same person. Both stated off black music and then they both flipped white
Religiously Dope‼️
I wish poser Kanye would come back. He at least had lyrics. This Kanye makes me depressed.
Yeah, i did lose more respect for Kanye for saying he used Talib and them for that shit.
Ye is sooo fake man. Just like Trump. You gotta be very dunce to not see through both of them. FR. SMH 🤦♂️
he was being sarcastic lmaoo
@@abstudio24 Anything to not have to admit bruh is just an asshole which he himself has been saying his whole career smh
@@dawb86They will defend Kanye no matter what
thats Why I never F'd with Kanye even back then. I never understood the hype behind those lazy ass bars
I disagree about Ye posing as a backpacker
Back then you was either gangsta rapper or backpack rapper
It wasn’t all these different sub genres
The man himself called himself a poser. There's nothing to disagree with
@@talibkweligreene1752 i dont think you understand tho, their were no subgenres like today…it wasn’t no mumble rapper goes here or drill rapper here conscious rapper here like today early 2000 you either a gangsta rapper or backpack…look at the black eye peas they went full on pop, were they posers? Or were they just misunderstood? blame the time period and what artists had to do to get on but dont blame the artists…
This “Ye” stuff is so concerning. And too many people I know hang on to him just to hang on. Convincing themselves the music is still good. Even though his message is now clearly compromised. Smdh. Us Black folks are in trouble.
Black folks always in trouble 😅
2:04 math laughable ..fake snarky annoying laugh he does is him being the poser he is
He said he gone leave his girl for a white girl. He never lied about anything
Come on talib no one has ever booed Yea stop the 🧢
Also: WASNT HIS MOM AN ENGLISH TEACHER?????!!!
Kanye made backpack cool
Nope Black moon and Grand Puba
@@dapluva1 nah nobody know them but your age group
@@phillybul215 nope u wrong again
@@phillybul215 if that’s the case educate yourself dummy
@@dapluva1 scram old man
Dude in the green hat is ruining this interview.
A Man Political View Should have nothing to do with y'all being friends if it's real
maybe ..but once u start SHOUTING a bunch of sellout BS ..me and my BEST friend are gonna have an issue regardless ..much less a regular friend
That’s not why he’s criticizing him. He’s criticizing him because he publicly attacked him and then goes on to say that he basically was a fake poser.
I've always known that Kanye was posing as a backpacker. I mean, who couldn't see that a mile away? He mentioned being inspired by Grand Puba, who did rock backpacks, but he didn't really make "backpack" music per se. Puba was also on that fly Tommy Hilfiger and Polo shit, too.
Talib's right #NoBidenNoTrump
Was very disappointed about that statement from Ye
Knats farting at the sun trying to put it out, bars.
For a poser Kanye definitely made it popular
Sometimes hip hop is such a close minded art form
yall care too much lol. just enjoy the music.
Yeah beans working on a food truck now
lol, so y'all still don't get why Kanye hates Drake, huh? the ultimate poser being surpassed commercially.......... by the NEW ultimate poser. not to mention, the dude that admitted to dumbing down his lyrics to sell records (once a universally known unwritten no-no law in hip hop culture) was Kanye's idol and "big brother." Diddy going through it right now, Jay playing the back quieter than he's been in a hot minute. Drake getting destroyed by Kendrick. Mos just talking about the empire falling. It's all happening RIGHT in front of our eyes. Everybody who sold out hip hop is seeing their karma coming to hit them and this is JUST THE BEGINNING.
dude in the green boots weigh more than him...
Do you know of another person named kanye?
Kanye is very corny for these actions...
Posing???, but he made the music popular? He innovated the shit and was a punching bag. He was called corny and stuck with the backpack shit. People evolve all the time. Everyone in the backpack era benefits from from Ye. Rap would never be the same because of what he did
He 1000% did not innovate that, or really anything for that matter.
Your comment isn't valid
Dixkrider
He always been a dork. Dude washed up. Totally tarnished his reputation and became Clayton bigsby
Who cares...Kanye is a grown man...
But he’s fake and a poser