You're Not Intelligent And Interested Enough | UG Krishnamurti
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Interviewer:thank u
Ug: bye bye 😂😂😂
Great video thanks! Great job
Glad you liked it!
U r just a perplexed our mind 😊 🙏
we're all goners, now
2 marbles + 2 marbles = 4 marbles ( Nooooooo i will not accept that,it is not making sense to me )
$2 + $2 = $4 ( Yeahhhhhhhhh that i will accept, it is making sense to me ).
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UG Krishnamurthy
Whensoever you experience that you are not separated from anyone or anybody or anything in this entire universe that's when within fraction of a second immediately you're transformed into nothing and nobody!?!? What anyone anybody would do or say after that unacceptable?? Just like when you're in your own deepest sleep? After waking up to your everyday normality of your I and I'm ness, you'll know that you had a very deep relaxing sleep. But within your that deep relaxing sleep factually you've been experiencing that you're not seperated from anyone anybody or anything while knowingly or unknowingly certainly you've transformed into nobody and nothing or everybody and everything. That's what it's and it's not all about What anyone or anybody would say about his knowledgeless knowledge about those unthinkable, unknown, unknowable and unspeakable timelessness of that 'Nothing' of deep relaxing 💤 sleep.?!?! What if for One undergo or in case such an unexpected and unacceptable experienceless experience does happens to you when you're in a fully Awakened state of your consciousness or when suddenly your brain has awakened to its state of 100% Activeness?!?! Very first moment of your lifetime you've come to the realisation that you're not separated from anyone anybody and anything. First moment You've factually arrived at the very moment of the beginning of the beginning moment from where you've started your adventures journey of being alive and whatsoever you assume yourself to be right this very moment.? Afterwards your another true endless timeless adventures journey of just living moment to moment begins with your total awakened consciousness where all your earlier externally acquired knowledge of experienced Life becomes and appears to be meaningless as well as useless. Simply because deep within without yourself you've become as good as a nobody and nothing. A total living, talking and walking Nothing and nobody or to put it in another way you've become as good as everyone everybody and everything hahaha hehehe hohoho @#*¥%∆ what remains for you to say or not to say to anybody anybody about anything?? You'll know that you're going to live on and on within without all kinds of forms of Life as biologically undivided One Wholesomeness... that of entire universal alive Nature with consciousness it's that moment of Wowness.. when you doesn't make out either to laugh or to cry or either to remain silent speak, talk or not to talk. Everything every action non-action seems to be meaningless but simultaneously quite meaningful..
..... This is kind of insight that flashed within my conscience after meeting UG while he was living in Bangluru in Year 1992. And I started WRITING 'Think Globally Act Locally' published in US it's in English language next in Kannada language ' ಅರಿವೇ ಗುರು ' only two books until now not written any other book. Fortunately or unfortunately Both books are not available now both are out of print. But I've preserved Their PDF ebooks formats. I'm giving their Complimentary Copies to whosoever Likes to enjoy reading them..
He looks so AI.
We are all NPC's
His problem is that he is self-sontradicting.
He hates definitions and beliefs and then goes of giving definitions and beliefs.
what beliefs?
Here are some for starters. He is appealing to me and I respect him. But he surely not as enlightened as he would like to beleive (he is probably some preliminary state of samadhi or a stronger Dharana state) or as effective a teacher as he feels self-assured about.
Speaking Against Seeking, Yet Engaging in Discussion: UG often stated that there was nothing to seek and that seeking was the problem itself. Yet, he continued to engage in dialogues, interviews, and discussions about these topics, which might be seen as a form of seeking or encouraging seeking in others.
Rejecting Traditions But Using Their Language: While he heavily criticized established religious and spiritual traditions, UG would sometimes use their terminologies and frameworks to express his views, even if it was to negate or repurpose them.
Discussing the "Natural State": UG spoke about a "natural state" of being, which he described as the body's way of functioning without the interference of thought. However, by positing such a state, it could be argued he was setting up another ideal or goal, albeit an unconventional one, for seekers.
On Gurus and Teachers: UG repeatedly asserted that he was not a teacher, guru, or enlightened being. Yet, his very discussions about life, reality, and existence, as well as the following he garnered, placed him in a position where many considered him a teacher or guide.
Existence of Thought and Conditioning: On the one hand, UG said that most of our experiences and ideas are products of conditioning and thought. On the other hand, he acknowledged that thought had its place, especially in functional and practical matters.
On Transformation: UG often asserted that there's no real psychological transformation or enlightenment, negating the central pursuit of many spiritual paths. Yet, the very description of his own "calamity" (a term he used to describe a series of radical physiological and psychological changes he underwent) seemed to hint at a significant transformation.
On Teaching: While claiming he had nothing to teach, the very act of engaging in discussions, interviews, and writing books is typically associated with someone who has something to convey or teach.
About Knowledge: He often emphasized that psychological knowledge was an impediment, yet he was well-read and would frequently reference various teachings and philosophies in his dialogues.
On Desire: UG would talk about the futility of desire and the problems it creates. However, he also emphasized that suppression of desires is equally problematic. This leaves listeners in a perplexing position regarding how to approach or handle their own desires.
Self-awareness: He sometimes indicated that the whole endeavor of becoming self-aware or self-conscious was counterproductive, yet much of traditional spiritual instruction emphasizes self-awareness as a path to understanding.
On Relationships: UG would often challenge the notions of love and relationships as they're conventionally understood, suggesting they're often based on self-interest. Yet he maintained close relationships with many individuals, suggesting a nuanced understanding of human connection.
About Religion: Even though he discarded religious thought as mere belief systems and cultural constructs, he often referenced religious ideas to drive home a point or to debunk them.
Purpose of Life: While he stated there's no inherent purpose or meaning to life, he simultaneously emphasized living in harmony with life's natural rhythms and not imposing artificial structures upon it.
Here are few more if you are still reading.
Negation without Proposition: U.G. Krishnamurti often negated established spiritual concepts and beliefs, emphasizing what is not rather than proposing a concrete alternative. This approach leaves seekers in a vacuum and can lead to confusion or nihilism.
Absence of Methodology: Many spiritual traditions offer methodologies, practices, and step-by-step paths to help seekers grow and evolve. U.G. denied the efficacy of such paths, arguing that any method is a hindrance. This can leave a seeker directionless or even disillusioned.
Relativism: By dismissing most established spiritual ideas and practices as mere cultural constructs, U.G. can be seen as advocating for a form of spiritual relativism where nothing holds true value or superiority over another. Such a stance raises questions about the foundation of ethics, morality, and meaning.
Skepticism of Experience: U.G. was skeptical of spiritual experiences, viewing them as just physiological responses or conditioned patterns. This stance discounts the profound transformative effects that many individuals attribute to their spiritual experiences.
Individual vs. Collective: While U.G. stressed individual inquiry and challenge to cultural and societal norms, he didn't provide much guidance on how individuals should interact with collective societies, potentially leading to alienation.
Contradiction and Paradox: As discussed earlier, U.G.'s teachings contain inherent contradictions. Philosophically, while contradictions can stimulate thought and examination, they can also undermine the credibility of a position if not reconciled.
Reductionism: His approach sometimes reduces complex spiritual traditions and practices to mere psychological or physiological phenomena. This reductionism can overlook the multifaceted nature of human spirituality and experience.
Absolutism in Denial: While he denied many spiritual concepts, U.G.'s adamant stance can be seen as a form of absolutism in itself. The certainty with which he refuted certain ideas could be perceived as dogmatic.
Existential Nihilism: By rejecting the idea of purpose, meaning, and inherent value in life, U.G.'s teachings can tread closely to existential nihilism, where nothing has intrinsic value or meaning. This can be challenging and even distressing for some individuals.
Empirical Basis: U.G. would often reference the physiological basis for spiritual experiences or states. However, while there's a growing field of neurotheology or spiritual neuroscience, much is still not understood about the brain-mind-spirituality relationship.
If you are still here:
Some potential psychological dynamics and projections within U.G.'s teachings and experiences could include:
Rebellion against Established Authority: U.G.'s rejection of traditional spiritual teachings, especially those from his own cultural background in India, might reflect a deep-rooted need to rebel against established authorities. This could be seen as a reaction formation - an exaggerated response against what he might have initially sought.
Disillusionment and Cynicism: U.G.'s strong criticisms of enlightenment, gurus, and spiritual practices might reflect personal disillusionments. His repeated endeavors in seeking spiritual truth, only to abandon them, could have fortified a complex around cynicism.
Projection: U.G.'s frequent critiques of others - for instance, asserting that gurus exploit their followers or that people are trapped by their beliefs - might in some cases be a projection of his own unresolved feelings or perceptions about his journey.
Defense Mechanism of Denial: His insistence that there is no such thing as enlightenment and that there's nothing to be done might be interpreted as a defense mechanism. By denying the possibility of enlightenment, he could be shielding himself from the pain of not achieving a traditionally-defined enlightened state.
Existential Crisis and Fear of Non-existence: U.G. often spoke about the physical body, its needs, and its biological imperatives. His emphasis on the "natural state" and the dissolution of the 'self' could reflect a deeper grappling with existential concerns and the fear of non-existence.
Counter-dependency: His insistence on not having followers, not establishing any school of thought, and not wanting his teachings to be preserved might reflect counter-dependency - a strong desire to avoid relying on others or having others rely on him, which in turn can stem from a fear of intimacy or vulnerability.
By any chance in the universe if you are still here:
Begging the Question (Circular Reasoning):
Quote: "There is no power outside of man. Man has created God out of fear." This implies that because man has fear, he created God, but it doesn't explore or prove the causative link between the two. Plus he surely has a definition for both the words God and Fear in his head that he is applying while making such a statement.
Overgeneralization:
Quote: "Enlightenment is a neurological phenomenon." This is a sweeping statement based on his view but may not encapsulate the diversity of experiences labeled as "enlightenment."
Ad Hominem:
Quote: "Gurus are no different from any others; they use their charisma to exploit people."
This statement dismisses all gurus based on a character flaw, rather than engaging with their teachings directly.
Straw Man:
Quote: "All spiritual teachings are just gimmicks." Here, he seems to simplify and reduce the diverse world of spiritual teachings into a single category, making it easier to dismiss.
False Dilemma:
Quote: "You can't be in and out of enlightenment; there's no bridge between the two." This implies a binary perspective on a potentially more nuanced state of being.
Appeal to Nature:
Quote: "The natural state is acausal; it just happens." Suggesting that because it's 'natural' or 'acausal,' it's preferable or superior.
Red Herring:
Quote (when asked about the nature of reality): "The body doesn't want to learn anything; it's only interested in its survival." The response diverts from the original question about reality to focus on the body's needs.
Contradiction:
Quote: "There is no such thing as enlightenment," and yet he describes his own 'calamity' which many interpret as a type of enlightenment.
Special Pleading:
Quote: "I have no teachings. There's nothing to preserve. My 'teaching'-if that is the word you want to use-has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody." He denies having a teaching but then goes on to describe the nature of his 'teaching.'
Reductionist Fallacy:
Quote: "All experiences, however extraordinary they may be, are in the area of sensuality."
By attributing all experiences to the realm of the senses, he potentially oversimplifies the diverse nature of human experience.
Why he was angry
Because he is feedup of answering the same questions, but you are not able to understand 😅
He doesn't sound very mature or developed at all. Reactive and identified with his ego. Seems nationalistic too.
Yea you want some fake guru go to Osho or something
defensive?@@thegonersclub
@@thisin. no u don't understand that UG is not a guru
All gurus, non gurus are singing the same song. The beauty in UG is he is a destroyer of human thought, at a more deep level he was just flowing with his intelligence and nature experiments through humans. There are def many fake gurus out there but UGs intelligence saw through the illusion of authority.
@@JDZulu no