French rifles that you didn't know you wanted: MAS36, MAS36/51 and MAS1944
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In all seriousness, we talk about the 7.5 French WWII MAS36 and show you the French MAS36/51 and a brief look at the MAS 1944. These are iconic French military bolt actions and in the case of the MAS 1944, an iconic direct gas impingement semi-auto rifle that served the French well around the globe.
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Always good to learn a bit of history. More about european guns!
Mac how does the MAS36 and MAS36/51 compare to a mosin nagont?
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Wonderful information! Love to find rifles like those. Simpsons Ltd. is a great resource for historical long and short weapons. Never gotten anything but sure is fun eye candy!
People bashed French rifles my whole life. I was always the only person interested in them, and picked a few up for cheap. They’re not cheap anymore!
Never understood why people bashed French weaponry, it was quite good
@@MemestiffGaming Extension of French bashing
@@MemestiffGaming It's not just about firearms ..... I'm French and I can assure you that we hear a lot of contempt against us ...
That's a very fine French rifle !
they are bette then the K98!!
The MAS 36 was intended for second line troops. The plan was to provide semi-auto MAS 40 for first line troops.
But France started re-arming too late.
So MAS 40 was put on hold after the defeat, hidden from the Germans, and resumed as MAS 44, then MAS 49 and MAS 49/56...
Yeah i know that thx to ian's video from forgotten weapons
Yes, France re-armed to late, because Germany not giving indemnity to France for destroying all her industry, remember all the industry of France was concentred on the Est of the territory and destroyed systematically by Germans at WW1.
Germany never payed nothing for those actions, and United States of America also prevented French to enter in Germany at the end of the world war 1 (a reason why a lot of Germans never accepted this defeat and thinked this defeat was the fault of their politicals).
USA also having arrogated all the benefits of the victory for them, even if they entered very late in the war and does almost nothing.
But the president of USA told to France: don’t worry we come to help you if German attack you again, to make France accept that.
Of course, when France was invaded, they did not do it. They entered war late only because of pearl harbor and never respected their words.
But this is not all, you can push this reasoning farer, USA also covered Germany when she is not paying the indemnity to France but also financed the reconstruction of Germany from 1918 to 1939 (so USA literally armed Nazis against France).
So yes, France re-armed late. Because she was stabed in the back by her « allies ».
@@Wayne72LEVRAI Some radical conspiracy man
@@Wayne72LEVRAI As much as I sympathize with the French, they had it coming at the onset of WW2. Purposefully destroying the German economy and all.
@@Wayne72LEVRAI lol… smells awful lot of “oui oui un croissant, me préféréé colour is white” ah vibes there my guy. Just admit that the political and government incompetent decisions at that got the Frenchie arse whoop badly lmaoo
- French rifles
- Second chair in frame
- *No Ian*
What?
Carcaine
I wish Ian wasn’t so busy running all over the globe so he could make appearances in videos like this but I’m glad we get such reliably awesome content from him.
“French Rifles you don’t want”, Ian wants to know your location.
@sa oef he meant no disrespect. However 10 Hail Browning's for penance.
I think he already knows.
@Kyle Piercy he's hanging with a random Sasquatch and shooting an mg
"Hi, guys. Thanks for tuning in to another video on forgottenweapons.com. I'm Ian, and joining me today is Red Forman who is going to kick Tim's @$$"
Love having the shooter's perspective alongside Ian's history.
I was waiting to see Ian from Forgotten Weapons to show up on the video
wouldve been hilarious showing Ian at a BBQ and he hears a distant gunshot, then says "wait, I know that sound" then curiously walks off through the woods and emerges into Tim's range, Tim says "I shouldda known this would happen"
He was busy shooting an mg with a random Sasquatch.
But then he would have lectured Tim on the REAL history of the French army's relationship with rifle grenades circa WW2.
French rifles: exist
Ian "Gun Jesus" McCollum: breathe heavily
The Maginot wasn't meant to be impregnable. It was meant to be enough of a deterrent to deflect the fighting to Belgium; away from the industry and steel in Alsace-Lorraine (and French soil). The French school of thought at the time held that in total war, victory would belong to the country with the greater total industrial output and resources, which is pretty much correct.
First, thank you for your service! This is an excellent, informative well narrated video on some unusual Frenchies I had no clue about. I learned so much and this piqued my interest in these. I love your approach and style to making videos like this… I immediately subscribed!!!! Thank you!!!
I love the simplicity of the MAS bolt when it comes to field stripping. This rifle is really the best of bolt action rifles from around the world, borrowing the two locking lug bolt from the SMLE, the turned down handle and peep sight from the M1917, and the five round magazine/stripper clip from the Gew98.
Milsurp Mike Channel how is a 5 round stripper clip the best the no4 can hold 10 rounds which is far better than 5
Although it could hold 10, they never changed out mags on the Enfields and loaded them with 5 round chargers, which are a bit more cumbersome than the Mauser stripper clips.
Milsurp Mike Channel its all about practice you can get good on any platform I just think a 10 round mag is a better thing than 10
I had several 36 and 35/51. My favorite was the plain 36. While I reformed cases for reloading I couldn't get loads to shoot to point of aim, I drilled rear sight to accept spent 22 cases and drilled cases at different spots to sort of make sight semi adjustable. They are great rifles.
MAS 36 is a good rifle,this thing hits what I point at.Solid wood and steel so if you run out of ammo you can butt stroke and it won’t fall apart.Easy to maintain and it likes my reloads glad I bought one.Surplus video series is great would like to see more. Semper Fi.
It’s amazing how one man single-handedly destroyed the French milsurp market in a matter of only one or two years. Thanks, Ian
The French still love rifle grenades that much that their new HK416F rifles can launch them.
Gael : You don’t need to carry extra grenade launcher 😉
I love learning about the older firearms. I can also appreciate the similarities between the different variations of the rifles you showed.
The model 44 is an absolute beauty. Probably the best looking semiauto battle rifle (along with the FN 49). And to think that it was developped in the 1930s (and, madly, there was provision to use the box mag from a FM 24/29 Chatellerault, a 7.5mm 30 round mag)
I can’t wait to get my copy of Chassot to Famas
My great father and it's brother used the MAS36 in WWII, my father used it in Algeria and i have a 1946 one with the original manual from this rifle and i'm amazed that the legend is "no safety because you're supposed to not load before contact".
The manual clearly stated that it was a 5+1 rifle. Just like the Lebel was an 8+2 rifle. You load a cartridge in the chamber and 5 in the magazin. The mechanism and action are heavy to not have accidental fire and that's it. The french didn't wanted safety because they didn't trust the first gen of safety and though in the stress of fighting a soldier could forget to unlock it.
Thank you for the info you put out. I finally got a Mas 36 added to my collection! Thank you for what you do!
These old military rifle videos are the best.
I suspect many of your viewers like me live in countries where access to firearms is extremely restricted. I appreciate the way you assume no prior knowledge and take the uninitiated through the history and use of the rifle, offering your own thoughts. It's great content, thank you.
Thank you for watching.
Something to make note of: the early 36’s had an open front sight with protective ears just like the 51. The round hood was a post ww2 feature on the 36’s.
I believe the fully hooded sight was introduced in 1944 when the St. Entienne factory was ready to produce the rifles again and they updated the rifle slightly. My mas36 is an early 1945 production and has the fully hooded sight. So more of a late ww2 feature.
Frankpolly gotcha
@@highliter97 I've got my grandpa's bringback MAS36 from his time in the US army on the western front, it's a 1940 example. It has the front sight as you described, more milled parts including the magazine trap door, and the rear sight that's adjusted by pushing down on the leaf instead of having a button like later models. The finish on the metal also seems glossier than later models, but that might just be from use. The sling attachment points on the fore end also seem to be of a different design. I think it's from the H-series of serial numbers, which means it's from the last batch that had no potential involvement by occupation or collaborationist governments, which is nice. This one says 1940, so it was made before July of that year. So, was probably part of the rush to rearm. Interesting little bit of history.
Thanks for the video, MAC. French service rifles are kind of a "black hole" in my firearms research. Ian's affinity for French rifles is contagious and I'm learning more. I do have to say that the purposeful look of the MAS 36 and 36/51 has an attractiveness all their own.
I bought a French MAS 44 recently and broke the ejector chambering the first round. I haven't been able to shoot it yet! Awesome video Tim. :)
I have a MAS36 and it has to be my favorite old bolt action.
Absolutely! Very intrigued by these old rifles and don’t even really know why. Yours and IV8888’s mention and informative videos are what lead me to just getting my Mosin a few weeks ago. Love it already and enjoy shooting it. Great piece of history. Thanks Tim!
Thanks for the history of the French MAS rifles, Tim. I learned a lot about thesis rifles an thanks for showing them !!!!! MAC for Life !!!!!!!
French Rifles - great history lesson and information. Thank you for all you do. I do recommend Copper Custom. Had a chance to stop by on vacation and met Patrick . What a great place and knowledgeable team.
Thank you, brother. That means a lot.
Yes please, more historic rifles!!
I think I see "Gun Jesus" Ian creeping on you in the bushes in the background of this video with a guille suit
Ghilie*
Another great video Tim I always enjoy these older guns in videos with history mixed in they still keeps people interested.
MAS 49/56 was they first
milsurp rifle I was able to shoot, and it got me hooked on collecting.
Great video Tim! I look forward to more videos about vintage/Mil-Surp firearms, as a young man just getting into the C&R side of the gun industry (I just bought my first Mosin, an M44, numbers matching, last week) I enjoy seeing quality production and information from a source that I trust.
love these videos Tim! always enjoy military surplus or historical videos. keep up the good work!
You are correct, I didn't know I wanted them.
Great content , just as always! Good reliable video , like those rifles !
For a bit of History ..many of these rifles were left after the French departure from Indochina , and were later used by the Viet Congs during the Vietnam war . The same fate happened to the French "MAT 49" submachine gun . Greetings from France
Interesting information on this rifle, I always found this one fascinating.
Ian and you should do a French weapons special collaboration. Involve anything from old to new y’all can get your hands on, especially if it still shoots 😎
Just got one the other day!!! My ww2 collection is almost complete!!!
Thanks Tim. Great review. Another full review of the 44 or 49/56 would cool.
Mas 36 rear sights are labeled. One way to adjust zero is you have to replace them.
N = 0 (centered) -4 or +4 will bring the group 135mm down or up at 200 meters -8 or +8 will bring the group 270mm down or up at 200 meters D4 or G4 will move the group 135mm to the right or to the left at 200 meters D8 or G8 will move the group 270mm to the right or to the left at 200 meters
D = Droite/Right, G = Gauche/Left
Good luck finding them but they are out there.
Oh trust me, I know I wanted these for years but I need a car lol
Your thumb nail said it all, Thanks a lot for adding to my FOMO 😆 These look great thanks for sharing!!
Very interesting - loved watching this!
Great video full of great information. I enjoy my own MAS36.
I love your videos MAC!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Very cool... I boned up on the French MAS series of rifles not long ago out of curiosity sparked by ordering a BFG-50A. It uses a similar type of DI system as the Ljungman AG-42 or MAS 49/56.
It’s never pronounced M.A.S. but MAS ( like Mass) but you know that.
Thank you!!!
So true
Since it's French, wouldn't it be pronounced more like 'Moss'?
MAS= Manufacture d'Arme (de) Saint Etienne en français s'il vous plait Monsieur!
Who cares.
I like all your videos i would like to see a random range day a long one at that
The "grittiness" you feel on the bolt is from the refurbishment program that Parkerized the bolts. If you cycle the action enough it will wear down. If you get one that hasn't been refinished or even better a nice WWII correct one you can definitely feel the difference. I have a nice all original and matching 1940 made example and it's one of my smoothest cock on open bolt actions I own.
I remember when you could find mas 49/56 in pawnshops everywhere, now nowhere lol
Bon travail de présentation, bravo.
Also, if you like Ian over at Forgotten Weapons you may also like Othias, Mae, Bruno, and Mark over at C&Rsenal. Their content is absolutely outstanding. Their presentations are a complete start-to-finish dive through the history of each firearm they do. Ian collaborated with them for "Project Lightening" which was a fantastic presentation.
Great video and beautiful rifles.
I'm french and thank you for this video. I have one but in 308W :'(
About thr 36/51 grenade launcher sighting.
When in the first angled position. This is for indirect fire. There is a little 3 post sight on the side you look down. Then you crank the worm gear to set the range of the grenade.
When in the second fully upright position. This is for heavier direct fire grenades. 25, 50, 75, 100 meters.
Picked up (what I think is) a Vietnam take home MAS36 a couple months ago. Love shooting it.
He should have had Mae from C&Rsenal out here.
The more videos with her the better.
Super cool video like to learn about a new firearm or learn about a firearm I might have seen but had no clue what it was or about I feel like that happens while watching your videos from time to time so thanks keep up the videos
MAS (36) = Manufacture d'Armes de Saint Etienne . I was trained with MAT 49 & MAS 49/56 for the early months of my military period in french army , before shooting with FAMAS (mid 80's, oh my god !) . These rifle were made with the groung experience while facing the ennemies . But they were a bit heavy while walking for 30 to 50 kms during a cold winter night ...
I shot MAC 50 too . Rare too .
Great video
The MAS 36 bolt is smoother than the Mosin by far. Rifles that have seen some use are actually quite smooth and the bolt throw is very short. With some break-in and practice, they can be shot as quickly as a Lee Enfield. Also, the aluminum French stripper clips are easier to use than the Mauser clips IMHO.
I've got a early-1940 manufacture MAS-36 that my grandpa brought back to the US after his tour on the western front. It seems like there are a few differences from the one you're shooting here, though some of it might be user error on my part:
1. The action on mine is actually very smooth, even without much lubrication. The one you're using seems very noisy and crunchy when you cycle it, maybe there's a difference between earlier and later models there. Maybe mine is just more broken in from 70+ years of use or is a relatively smooth-cycling example. I do notice that the bolt is fairly wobbly when pulled all the back, and if you give it too much lateral pressure in the wrong direction when trying to push it back into battery it'll tend to catch ever-so-slightly on some surface in the receiver. Maybe that extra wobble it gets when all the way back lets it twist far enough to start rubbing against the ejector claw or something. I find it's smoothest to put a bit of sideways tension to the right as you push the bolt forwards, and nothing seems to get hung up.
2. When the magazine is empty, I can close the bolt on an empty chamber without needing to manually push the follower down. Maybe another difference between older and newer models? I like the idea of that feature acting as an empty magazine indicator, I wish my MAS behaved that way.
3. Maybe I'm just afraid of messing up the stripper clip and I'm not giving it enough juice, but my MAS doesn't seem to eject the clip automatically when closing the bolt. Maybe it requires a round in the magazine to push it out of the way, but I'd rather not load a live round in my house to test at the moment:).
Thanks for the fun video!
@Military Arms Channel I have a MAS MLE1936 .308 I I made a light load for it and shot it. I think it has a less kick then my modern bolt action .308. I like it a lot
Enjoyed this very much. I never shot my mas 36. Heading to range !
Lovely stuff...I'd love to see the gear issued with these; I'm curious as to how the magazines for the MAS1944 with that big ol' clip were carried.
I love early to mid 20th century bolt guns! I really want an Arisaka! 😀
Cool thanks for sharing
Beautiful rifle
I really dig that MAS1944 version. !!!!!!!!
I had one that didn’t go through the French refurb process, all matching, and it was much smoother. I think they sandblasted the bolts and it made them rough.
I really liked the MAS 36 I used to have. It was a very handy little bolt gun, but ultimately since I do like taking some of my milsurps hunting and hiking, the lack of a manual safety was a real turn-off. (Didn't figure out it lacked one until I brought it home) And as neat as the 7.5 French round is, I kinda got tired of being relegated to buying PPU ammo online and then reloading the spent cases from said spent PPU cases. I'd love to have on of those 44 or 49 semi auto rifles, but I really don't care to get back into 7.5 French; and I hear the converted .308 versions CAI did have a pretty poor reputation.
Thank you for this smart video
Classy move to give a shout out to Forgotten Weapons!
The 1st rifle shown is a "2nd type" mas 36 not the pre war model, you can tell from the design of both front and rear sights.
The MAS36 wasn't even intended to be the front line rifle. The MAS40 was intended to be the front line rifle. The MAS36 was supposed to be like out M1 carbine, for support troops. However. They didn't get the MAS40 into production until the day the germans invaded. The Mas40 became the MAS44
I love these old military bolt gun videos, would like to hear a bit more about the cartridges they are chambered in though. Just a suggestion
The mas 36 was chambered in 7.5 french. Very similar to 7.62 nato in terms of ballistics. Later on a lot of mas 36 were chambered to 7.62 nato which some of them were done poorly. Ppu I believe is the only manufacturer that makes 7.5 french still.
Great Video. What can you tell us about re-chambering these older rifles to more common calibers (i.e. 308)?
Thank you!
I’d love to see some grouping of those rifles.
My grandpa brought one back from Vietnam war. Round impacted rear sight post. Will it still be accurate and is it safe to still shoot?
So it's actually really hard to get one, but the original sling for the MAS36 is actually a natural tan color, the mustard color ones are for the 49/56. I'm still trying to find an actual tan one for my MAS36.
It’s insane that the French were on the cusp of developing a reliable semi auto rifle when WW1 STARTED, but didn’t even have enough “modern” bolt actions to arm their forces in WW2!
You can tell somewhere in the distance Ian's French spidey senses are tingling.
My MAS 36/51 in 7.54 French bolt won’t close when chambering a round and I can’t figure it out
Bought a MAS36 308 conversion back when for $60
Put a scope mount on it
Joker gets about 1 inch groups with match ammo
love the video!!
Oh I already knew I wanted them. Been wanting to pick some up for a while, just haven't done it yet. I seriously need to correct this before they really start going up in price along with all milsurps.
Looking forward to the review of your new FAMAS :-p
MAS 44: one of the major inspirations for the AR10 and AR15.
Yes
Yes
I just got a mas 36 FG model. Is the liberty tree a decent website to buy stuff for this rifle?. It definitely needs some loving haha
Any chance we see a Dan Wesson DWX in the future? Looks to be directly aimed at the CZ TSO and the STI 2011.
Wow I like all three but I am especially fond of that 44 I can't believe its French and I am French and other things but it was smooth I had heard some French weapons jammed occasionally but I liked them
but hey you could load 5 push those bit down in the magazine throw one extra before the bolt face and close it on 6th round :D
I became interested after watching the long long Holliday
How does the 7.5 French round compare in recoil, velocity and power vis a vis the 308, 7.62 Russian and even the 7.5 Swiss?
The only french rifle I want is the FAMAS :(
Tim featuring a French rifle..... Ianing intensifies