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It's clear from stage 4 that the biggest problem Jonas Vingegaard faces is Visma not having Sepp Kuss and Wout van Aert being far from 100 percent. Meanwhile, UAE has so much firepower they didn't even bring Brandon McNulty. And the whole team, Pogacar included, finally seems to be working together and all in to win. Visma needs to step up and support Jonas better or they will have trouble finishing on the podium. You heard it here first.
@@Lion-wd1px Right -- Almeida had to shout at him to take his turn at the front. Typical UAE -- they only work together for Pogacar, and even then reluctantly. This is probably as unified as they'll ever be.
They beat the record time from lautaret to galibier by 2 and a half minutes. The fact that jonas was only 5 sec behind on the top means, we have a race. Especially in week 3.💥
I'm sorry weather conditions help everyone apart from Pogi. Otherwise he would've attack 4km out from the top. 7 watts per kilo (500-515 watts) effort for 10-15mins.
Thank you for reminding folks like me just how damn dangerous that descent was. Watching on tv, absorbed in the growing time gap, it just didn’t occur to me that there was no guard rail and that, especially up high, a guy who goes off that road is going to plummet a very, very long way. I ride, I’ve done scary, fast sketchy descents, but the sudden awareness of their mortal danger thanks to your commentary is something I’ll keep with me the rest of the race, and that’s the kind of former pro insight that’ll keep me coming back to this pod.
Hi from Denmark. Just wanted to let u all know, that Jonas said to Danish TV. Visma expected up to the Tour, that Jonas was -2 min down from Pogacar after stage 4. He also commented on he´s teams performace today, and told the press that, "hey, were all humans and can have a bad day, but of course it´s something we need to debate amongst each other". He has been very honest from stage 1, that he didn´t know for real, how this first week would go? After stage 4, he´s 50 sec behind Tadej, and frankly to be honest, i´m sure Visma is ok with that. But yeah, Jonas looked pretty beaten up, efter the finish line. But everybody did, even Pogacar. What a craxy speed up that mountain. Remember, the Tour is far from over, and we all know that, Jonas is best in the last week. Also the 2 TT, we gonna see some other gabs between the GC contenders. Damn`the World is lucky, to still have this battle going on, and i´m sure everybody here would love to see them race to the Finish. Cheers from Denmark & Viva le Tour
The trouble is Visma is short-handed (or short-legged). No Sepp Kuss and Wout van Aert not fully back from his injuries. They played big roles in his two TDF wins.
Thanks to a Dane who ousted Jonas unintentionally during the live stream of the race we can now be sure that your Jonas is a cheater and I'm sure Lance knows it too, but can't say it. The Dane explained to Porino on the side of the road that him and Jonas raced for local teams and that Jonas was always below average rider who would always get dropped but then after he was 18 suddenly got really good. 😂😂😂 The guy didn't even realize what he told us. He was just so happy he knew Jonas from their racing teenage years. Priceless. Truth will come out sooner or later.
@@shadowsun33Geeeez. How well do you think it usually goes for 58 kg tiny climbers competing as juniors in pancake flat windy rainy Denmark against the types of Mads Pedersen and Asgreen? You guessed it (hopefully), they don't win a thing. What happened once Jonas started improving and winning races? He was tested on mountains and started racing in his own terrain. Got the coll de Rates KOM and was quickly picked up by Visma who saw huge potential in him. And to add to this even more, in 2017 he broke his femur in a near career ending crash in Norway, where he was off the bike for around 9 months halting his development. So perhaps before making unfounded allegations, you might do your research a little bit.
@@katjaolsen1017 Blah blah blah...we know doppers when we see them. You can talk like this to people who never raced. I did, as a junior for many years and was a climber, super skinny and never got dropped by other bigger guys in races on flats or mountains. And all other friends of mine who were champion material and the rest I raced with, many just like Jonas never got constantly dropped like Jonas. Yes, Visma saw the potential to dope him up. 😂😂😂 He's a cheat! He's nothing extraordinary.
Great show guys! I can listen to you guys talk cycling all day every day! Lance (the G.O A.T) and Cappy (one of the best classic riders of our generation) ❤ 🚴♂️
over the years, this pod has expanded, and increased in level of quality. Putting out this level of content isn't free...there are all kinds of costs that we don't see or aren't aware of (insurance, attorneys, power, set, personnel etc.) and none of it is free. And, we shouldn't expect the on-screen personalities to work for peanuts, nor the many who are off-screen that make this happen. So $$ has to come from somewhere. They could have a paywall, so that no one who doesn't pay doesn't get to watch. or they can offer tiered levels (which they do) but for non-subscribers, there will be ads, like I said, the $$ gotta come from somewhere. Perhaps one of the 23 dislikes here are youtuber content creators too, but I'm guessing not or at least not at this level.
Had there not been so much wind on the climb Pogi would have attacked much sooner and you would have seen a much bigger gap by the summit. Jonas was at his limit and he was lucky the climb ended when it did.
@@MarkTomehSo? Pogacar wasn't anywhere near his 100% last year and he still came in and fought with all he had. No difference. Except that riding with a wrist that is healing from a complicated fracture is much more complicated than what Jonas had. I know a couple of my mtb friends that broke collar bone and ribs and they were able to ride rough terrain in just a couple months, but I crashed and not even broke my wrist, just overextended it an maybe cracked something and it sometimes still hurts under pressure even though it's been almost 2 years now. Yeah, nobody wants to talk about that and how Jonas and Wout attacked Tadej on the descent when they saw him shaking his wrist. Such a scu m b@g move.
UAE team is learning a lot. They applied the same tactics pressuring Vingegaard, mirroring last years' moves of Visma. Vingegaard is in a worse position strategically & tactically. Guess we can potentially see 3 grand tour wins by Pogi & UAE this year. This is historical.
Firstly, huge fan of the show. I wish you guys did a show everyday of the year lol. Going back to Jonas being only 50 seconds behind so far is impressive. He himself said after the race today that he and his team expected to be atleast 2 minutes behind or more. he even added that his time will come. I believe his time will come on plateau de Beille, Cime de la bonnette, Isola as these climbs suit Jonas more and the last time trial. I wanted to add so far Remco has been impressive, proving many people wrong including myself. Huge Rogla fan but he has been disappointing so far - could be the crash at the tour de basque and also crashing twice at the dauphine adding to this crazy hard start of the tour. Hopefully he doesn't crash again and can find some momentum in the remaining stages.
It is like Lance sometimes forget he is Lance F… Armstrong. The guy who beat cancer came back and won the Tour de France 7 times. The greatest bike rider to ever live. Just to say it makes sense that he is following on IG, like I think 99% of the riders in the Tour de France are doing
Pogicar is in another level fantastic athlete …. Vinregaard clearly not 100-% but chapeau how he rode 9 weeks ago he was in an ICU ….Pogicar will win the tour this year
@@davesingh9166he totally is, the whole Visma. It was super obvious in 22 and 23 Tour. A Danish guy on stage 4 told Porino how they raced together as juniors and that Jonas was below average and was always getting dropped. Ffwd when Visma takes him and he's a champion. Same, they took Roglic and he became a champion. They took Wout from a completely different discipline and he's now a sprinter that can climb. Ridiculous! Plus they have Laporte winning races and had other guys on top in 22 and 23 Tour and now Jorgenson, a fresh champion. All dopping.
@@Gary-le7dzyou are correct, I can't tell if Pogacar is on juice as well. Tadej has ridden the Giro and supposedly had COVID just before the TdF, so one can argue that he was not 💯. He had the Giro in his legs. TP learnt from his past mistakes. 2025 will make a better showdown. Pogacar is my favourite.
Remko is doing amazing, showing some real maturity, he may have a chance at the podium. I am a Pog fan, if you watch last year, Pog was doing this to Vin last year after an early bad stage. My worry is that Pog needs to be smart and efficient to have a chance of winning in the end. He finally has the best team which might be the difference, but I fear Vin will start taking TT time and crack Pog again. Saying Vin is not 100% I think is wrong, Pog better this year, Vin nearly held him and Pog dropped him 3 times last year. Preying for a Pog victory but if I were a betting man, I think Vin may still come out on top. Gonna be fascinating, please Pog prove me wrong, you are the greatest all round cyclist full stop and the best ambassador for sport, love Pog. ❤
And Vingegaard had this little thing you know. Without injury Pogacar would not have gotten the space, and without the fear after an injury that could have crippled him for life. Normally he would be the better rider downhill as we have seen, but he is clearly scared
Just started watching but spot on what Armstrong just said in the intro clip. Jonas confirmed in a interview he is quite pleased and expected at least 2 minutes gap by now (could be a bluff but I believe him) Visma will light it up 3rd week.
What is the rationale for getting stronger throughout if he missed prep time leading to the race. Last year Pogacar crashed too and was in a somewhat similar place. In the last week, he seemed like he lacked the endurance after starting strong.
@@wolfbird3217They’re not. We’ve seen Pog crack, and the heat and high mountains have done it. Jonas has gotten better in week 3 every tour he’s ridden.
Matteo J dropped 4km from the top of Galibier. After that Vingegaard was alone. Visma is no match for UAE and Vingegaard will have to win this tour on his own and that's a tall order coming from the hospital.
Easy easy.....Jorgensen had a crash the other day, and he said after the stage, that it´s probably therefore and no need to worry for the next though stages for the GC. Jonas said to Danish TV, that we off course needs to debate this later, but i also think it´s very human to have a bad day. I´m not that concerned, he said. Remember, Visma was sure about, before the Tour, that Pogacar would have 2 min on Jonas, after stage 4. He has 50 sec on him, so the battle is on 4 sure. Cheers from Denmark
@@thomaskandersen7250well what riders say to the press is not 100% true you know.. Could you imagine Jonas saying : "yes I'm disappointed by the team and I am worried? " of course he'd never say that
Sorry fellas. At the risk of Jonas proving me wrong...I'll take that risk. Jonas may get stronger as he goes on but this version of POG is not the same. Pog will win.
Let’s just remember that on April 17 Jonas left the hospital after collarbone surgery with a cast, and a lung that was still healing. Here 11 weeks (76 days) later he is somehow able to drop all the other best riders in the world and it takes Pogi (who has dominated the entire season) a massive attack to even shake him off his wheel. If Jonas is somehow able to ride away from Pogacar in the last week of the race, I will be more than a little suspicious.
Jonas was in super shape before the crash. Hard work and targeted very carefully planned training has made it possible for him to get back. If the plan works, his form will keep rising. They always go for having the top form kicking in by the third week.
@@karstenprehn6941 to me (again this is all opinion) this is another argument that every tv pundit and analyst has been making which further drives my point. No other rider, in modern era, or in history gets stronger in spite of fatigue in the third week of a grand tour stage race. If anyone can provide me with one other example of this, that would be great. The human body will not develop and get stronger when it is constantly being diminished and burned down stage after stage with only 2 rest days for three weeks. If Jonas is stronger than he is now in the third week, there is an inhuman explanation.
Tadej still looks like he will take it all, unless he has burnt too many matches already. Jonas just about kept up, right to the summit, and lost most of his time descending, which is, considering his recent crash, very normal. If Jonas gets stronger and Tadej loses the time trial, it will change the outlook. Possible? Yes, but only if Tadej has done too much too soon.
If you go over the Galibier either way you are going to have descend it whether it is at the start, middle or end and they are going to do it at race pace.
The myth of riding in shape. It's more about who keeps their form best or loses the least. This is not a training camp with a precisely controlled load...
This is exactly what UAE planned to do from day 1. That’s why all the climbers on the roster. They aren’t gonna attack him much or at all. Anywhere it will count to attack him he will have teammates. in order to attack him Jonas will do it alone but UAE will take Visma away from Jonas and isolate him and just keep hurting him. It’s their only hope that Jonas isn’t 100%. I’ll agree though, man he looks better than I thought he would be. Roglic is gonna come back I think. But UAE is so strong for now.
"It's their only hope that Jonas isn't 100%" Who's only hope? You just explained how they have the team to protect and hurt the way that Jonas had it to isolate and hurt Pogi last year.
Great opening comments by Lance. Only 50 seconds down and by week 3, Jonas should be at his peak and Tadej will be in his 6th grand tour week of the season . . . He might be a little tired carrying that yellow jersey.
One thing I’ll say is: You guys keep saying that Vingegaard will get better as the race goes on…I’m not so sure about that. He’s spent a lot of energy chasing just two of Pogacar attacks. If anything he’ll be destroyed by week two. He looked like he was suffering today.
Exactly. I don’t understand their logic at all. George is nothing but a JV a apologist. Pogacar has the stronger team, theoretically he doesn’t have to work as hard, but if JV has to respond to attacks, how does it necessarily make him stronger in the last week. JV suffered today.
@@Nyelands Last year has no bearing on this one. You are making lots of assumptions about JV getting back to the level of last year’s tours & Tadej regressing to last year. Not likely. As for 2 years ago, Tadej had a bad day, particularly strategically against the Jumbo juggernaut & lost the Tour. Not going to happen this year. Last year Tadej had to play catch up & expended too much energy to try & get even (energy that he didn’t have in reserve). This year, JV has to play catch up with a team that is lacking. He may have to expend too much energy to catch up (energy that he doesn’t have in reserve).
Please analyse for us the current Tour not simply and lazily relive 2023. People talk about the 2024 Tour as if it is 2023 Tour. Cutting and pasting the same progress of events. Pogi (healthy) will crack, Jonas (not so healthy) will miraculously improve and get to the 2023 otherworldly level....and will also pull off a strange time trial performance all over again!
So last year Pogi became weaker at the end of the tour after his injuries. Why this panel believe that Jonas will get stronger is beyond me. It is not a training camp😅
After stage 7 last year, where pogi gained back time on Jonas, everybody said pogi is gonna get better too...until he collapsed and everybody switched their argument 180. I would not give 2 cents on these speculations
It had nothing to do with Pogi's injuries that he collapsed. Pogi could have stressed his hand, but likely his hand was better week 3 than week 1, but he usually fall more than Jonas. Jonas maintains his level better - or that has been the case the last three years!
"Jonas getting better and better...." Heard that over and over... So no chance his accident and short time to prep catch up to him and he fatigues instead of just getting better?
I think those statements are based on earlier experiences. We never see him getting fatique late in a stage race. Also, they have carefully been building up his form to keep rising. They are aiming for the topform to kick in by the third week. We will see, if it happens. I think it will.
Vingegaard is carrying injuries that may have "healed" and he may have silenced the doubters.. but the Tour is race of attrition and I would think that biologically as the weeks drag on those injuries are going to complicate his recovery. I worry that we are looking at his track record from 22/23 as an indicator for this year and we have the hardest climbs in the third week . Also team dynamics have clearly changed. In past years Vingegaard had a clearly superior team that was able to isolate Pogacar in the mountains with Visma riders surrounding him. The tables have turned in that regard. It was 4 or 5 UAE swarming around Jonas.
Guys!…..I really don’t share your view on JV being stronger at the end. Surely he hasn’t got the conditioning and I believe he will fade. If we’re looking at a Dark horse it would be Carlos R (Ineos)?
Remco remind me of Jan, he is diesel motor he can go and go but when the violet attacks come he won't be able to go with them he close again slowly. Long gradual climbs probably suite him the best. I think Remco will probably take sometime on Tadej in the ITT if you look how strong he was on the flats of stage 2 new the end of the stage.
The way I see it is that Jonas is less confident on the descents might be due to his accident. Same story which happened last year with Tadej. But Jonas will be getting stronger in the weeks to come while Tadej will be getting more tired. This should even out the battle. I am sure Tadej will try to attack more and more on the downhill section instead of trying to drop Jonas on peaks. Mountain finishes will be really close. Time Trials will be in favour of Jonas. This is where he will try to gain maximum of time. But I am curious to see how Remco will keep up.
If Cav doesn't get the record is there any consolation as a cycling fan that Eddie Merckx will still be at there at the top for most tdf stage wins and thus maintain his incredible legacy? And what are the chances of Pogi surpassing them? And what did you guys think of the Netflix show on Cavendish?
You would too. The entire peloton was doped up out of their minds yet he was singled out and punished severely. He had to give so much money back and Nike dropped him immediately yet Nike never gave back the millions of $$$ they made off of Lance's back. In fact, they all dropped him bit happily kept huge proceeds they made off of him. So he was bad, evil, horrible person, but his money was good? You'd be happy? Exactly.
Jonas and Visma team are doppers! Cheaters! I always said it and today in the live stream they found a spectator from Denmark who bragged about how he knows Jonas very good from teenage years when they rode together for local teams but then unintentionally ousted Jonas saying that he was always below average rider who constantly got dropped and then started getting really good after he was 18. Hahaha, I knew it. You can make a case against Tadej, but Tadej was always extraordinary. He had to compete in categories higher to have challenge. I raced in Slovenia, Austria and Italy in the 90s and you'd never see a champ coming out of being average. I was never average and all those that were champion material, we'd never get dropped. The fact that Jonas suddenly rose to power and fame is just the Visma LAB thing. Lab specifically. It's very obvious, but lots of fresh cyclists are popping up following this sport and thus they're easily impressed and persuaded that Jonas is a special guy, that Wout is a special guy, that Roglic is a special guy, that Jorgenson is a special guy. That the entire Visma from 2022 and 2023 were amazing! Sure, amazing at gobbling concoctions from their LAB. Ain't no way Wout who's from a completely different world, cyclocross can perform at such high speeds as road cyclist specialists and sprinters. No way Roglic comes into cycling way late from a completely unrelated sport discipline and under Jumbo becomes a champ of road racing. Talent? Sure, but much more science than talent is the game here. And Jonas from cold ass Denmark performs amazing in heat and gets better in the 3rd week of grand Tours. A bunch of garbage masking the fact he's dopped up because his team director is greedy as shit!!! And their dirty racing is disgusting. Last Tour they forced the peloton to wait for their injured riders who were not even GC while they had Wout in the breakaway who wasn't slowing down. When Jonas saw that Tadej was in pain from his wrist injury and was shaking his hand after they reached the top of a climb Wout and Jonas started accelerating into the descent and started dropping Tadej. Total BS team and they finally got their karma this year. And now they're tryina spy and stalk their contenders w/ their stupid van. Ugh, never despised anybody as much as I do them and their weasel Jonas who pretends to be humble and is everything but that for those that have the eyes to see. I could back anybody to win over Tadej but not this guy. Something's off about him ever since he got onto the scene and that's why the general consensus in the peloton is that nobody cares about him. Most tolerate him and that's it. And stop trying to brainwash me how Danes are just such humble quiet people. Blah, blah, blah. I said when Kuss won Vuelta that Visma will fall apart. You can't be so greedy to dope up everybody and then have too many top dogs racing for Jonas only. Kuss got a taste of fame and victory and that was enough. He don't want to waste his prime years to make others famous anymore. They made a huge mistake by letting him win. It was their downfall. And they should have never forced Primoz and Wout to be super domestiques. They trained them to be winners, so they're not happy to grind themselves to dust for others. It doesn't work that way.
@@thomaspetersen9991 You know, as much shit as people give to Lance at least he was pretty amazing before doping, but it took only one Dane who actually spent teenage years together w/ Jonas racing to confirm that this Visma fraud was below average, not average but below,...getting dropped constantly until he was 18. Hehehe, I always knew it. He just always smelled fishy to me. He ain't a champion. He's just physiologically very responsive to the doping programme that the V LAB runs. I knew that in 2022 and 2023 with what Wout was doing and pretty much the entire team. They were winning left and right. That's not normal for a team of nobodies. Go trying to brainwash some other fool. I wasn't born yesterday. This Jonas is a cheat and it started coming out and it will come out sooner than later for everybody to know. Their glory and power started falling apart after the doping accusations. They most likely decreased the concoctions or motor doping to not get investigated any further. I mean, one of their riders tested positive. 😜
Here’s the thing with saying he only lost 6 secs on the climb, Pogi attacked late, he lost that time over a very short period, if Pogi attacks five mins earlier JV loses a lot more on the ascent and the decent today. He has the wind to thank.
Jonas I think was spun out with not big enough gear going downhill and I think if Jonas was still on Tadej's wheel at the top he would not have lost all that time. Confidence will come on his descending. And Visma is truly missing Sepp.
Pogacar was making time on every turn on that final climb after he attacked. Jonas was able to keep it to a minimum when it wasn't as steep, but you could clearly see Pogacar was stronger......which doesn't involve any big gears.
You're clearly blind. Jonas lost confidence in descending. You must be fresh to cycling. Watch stage 2 and go study apex and what that even means. Then rewatch stage 2 and you'll see Jonas apex is super choppy compare to Tadej's apex. Tadej had to brake excessively while behind Jonas and almost hit him on occasion or two. Tadej rode that descent on stage 4 like a true master while Jonas was riding very scared put under pressure to prevent losing time. His apex was all over the place, so he had to worth much harder to maintain the speed.
Descending is just as much a requirement as climbing; otherwise you may as well just do the race on Zwift. It's a skill, and a top rider should be able to do it...... More to cycling than just watts, w/kg, VO2 Max........
Exactly and it takes time to build confidence after a crash. The worse the crash the longer it takes. Some people just never come back from it to be a 100%.
Sepp Kuss absence today was especially notable. While I understand that Covid effects everyone differently, I do find it interesting that Kuss' infection eliminated him from the tour while Pogacar gets it and...well, we all saw what happened today.
I won't even try to image the welcome back of B.Girmay in Eritrea. Look at this video, guys (fast-forward mode is pretty enough to get the feeling), 2 Eritrean cyclist are back in their country after having finished their Tour de France in 2015. One of them was wearing a polka dot jersey for 4 days. Those crowds and limos and the president... Crazy! th-cam.com/video/8gS-RtKJvQI/w-d-xo.html
Pogacar is surrounded by his team mate's and Jonas is isolated when he really needs his team around him. Pathetic to see Jonas been dropped. Hope he improves in the latter stages. 😢😢😢
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@@pskovca depends on how you define "content"
First thing I do is look up Jacques Demolay's comment! Bless you
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@@milhouse53 keep this up and we wont come and help when the germans get upset again ;)
Naw, I’m good. I’ll listen while drinking my post workout LMNT.
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Omg 😂😂😂 that's awesome 😂😂😂
I know they want people to keep watching, but this race is done. Jonas will be isolated constantly. Same as what happened to Pogi the last two years.
Kuss. It all comes down to kuss
@@thetroylf he isn't in this year's race.
Exactly - strong showing from JV, but he's racing for 2nd place. Zero chance without TP running into fate.
ANYTHING can happen over two and a half weeks of racing...
Jonas was isolated multiple stages last year and was fine
Evenepoel is the revelation for me so far. Unexpected but great
It's clear from stage 4 that the biggest problem Jonas Vingegaard faces is Visma not having Sepp Kuss and Wout van Aert being far from 100 percent. Meanwhile, UAE has so much firepower they didn't even bring Brandon McNulty. And the whole team, Pogacar included, finally seems to be working together and all in to win. Visma needs to step up and support Jonas better or they will have trouble finishing on the podium. You heard it here first.
That's been pog the last 2 tours
ayuso not working lol
Let's hope Wilco Keldeman get's back in the game on the next mountain stages.
Ayuso trash!
@@Lion-wd1px Right -- Almeida had to shout at him to take his turn at the front. Typical UAE -- they only work together for Pogacar, and even then reluctantly. This is probably as unified as they'll ever be.
Funny I watched unchained last year and fell in love with the sport. I’m in deep now. Two seasons in and never want to look back.
They beat the record time from lautaret to galibier by 2 and a half minutes. The fact that jonas was only 5 sec behind on the top means, we have a race. Especially in week 3.💥
having to slow down on the uphill switchbacks to make the corner,
I'm sorry weather conditions help everyone apart from Pogi. Otherwise he would've attack 4km out from the top. 7 watts per kilo (500-515 watts) effort for 10-15mins.
@@oliverleigh9854 you always have to keep a close eye on the wind direction up on the high mountains full of switchbacks before attacking.
Doped up!!
@56brever that's every athlete in professional sport.
7X never forget! Ya’ll are killing it! Love it.
Thank you for reminding folks like me just how damn dangerous that descent was. Watching on tv, absorbed in the growing time gap, it just didn’t occur to me that there was no guard rail and that, especially up high, a guy who goes off that road is going to plummet a very, very long way. I ride, I’ve done scary, fast sketchy descents, but the sudden awareness of their mortal danger thanks to your commentary is something I’ll keep with me the rest of the race, and that’s the kind of former pro insight that’ll keep me coming back to this pod.
Hi from Denmark. Just wanted to let u all know, that Jonas said to Danish TV. Visma expected up to the Tour, that Jonas was -2 min down from Pogacar after stage 4. He also commented on he´s teams performace today, and told the press that, "hey, were all humans and can have a bad day, but of course it´s something we need to debate amongst each other". He has been very honest from stage 1, that he didn´t know for real, how this first week would go? After stage 4, he´s 50 sec behind Tadej, and frankly to be honest, i´m sure Visma is ok with that. But yeah, Jonas looked pretty beaten up, efter the finish line. But everybody did, even Pogacar. What a craxy speed up that mountain. Remember, the Tour is far from over, and we all know that, Jonas is best in the last week. Also the 2 TT, we gonna see some other gabs between the GC contenders. Damn`the World is lucky, to still have this battle going on, and i´m sure everybody here would love to see them race to the Finish. Cheers from Denmark & Viva le Tour
The trouble is Visma is short-handed (or short-legged). No Sepp Kuss and Wout van Aert not fully back from his injuries. They played big roles in his two TDF wins.
Thanks to a Dane who ousted Jonas unintentionally during the live stream of the race we can now be sure that your Jonas is a cheater and I'm sure Lance knows it too, but can't say it. The Dane explained to Porino on the side of the road that him and Jonas raced for local teams and that Jonas was always below average rider who would always get dropped but then after he was 18 suddenly got really good. 😂😂😂 The guy didn't even realize what he told us. He was just so happy he knew Jonas from their racing teenage years. Priceless. Truth will come out sooner or later.
@@shadowsun33
So what did Jonas suddenly start taking that others dont know about?
@@shadowsun33Geeeez. How well do you think it usually goes for 58 kg tiny climbers competing as juniors in pancake flat windy rainy Denmark against the types of Mads Pedersen and Asgreen? You guessed it (hopefully), they don't win a thing. What happened once Jonas started improving and winning races? He was tested on mountains and started racing in his own terrain. Got the coll de Rates KOM and was quickly picked up by Visma who saw huge potential in him. And to add to this even more, in 2017 he broke his femur in a near career ending crash in Norway, where he was off the bike for around 9 months halting his development. So perhaps before making unfounded allegations, you might do your research a little bit.
@@katjaolsen1017 Blah blah blah...we know doppers when we see them. You can talk like this to people who never raced. I did, as a junior for many years and was a climber, super skinny and never got dropped by other bigger guys in races on flats or mountains. And all other friends of mine who were champion material and the rest I raced with, many just like Jonas never got constantly dropped like Jonas. Yes, Visma saw the potential to dope him up. 😂😂😂 He's a cheat! He's nothing extraordinary.
Great show guys! I can listen to you guys talk cycling all day every day! Lance (the G.O A.T) and Cappy (one of the best classic riders of our generation) ❤ 🚴♂️
If the Tour had this many advertisements we would still be watching stage 1.
over the years, this pod has expanded, and increased in level of quality. Putting out this level of content isn't free...there are all kinds of costs that we don't see or aren't aware of (insurance, attorneys, power, set, personnel etc.) and none of it is free. And, we shouldn't expect the on-screen personalities to work for peanuts, nor the many who are off-screen that make this happen. So $$ has to come from somewhere. They could have a paywall, so that no one who doesn't pay doesn't get to watch. or they can offer tiered levels (which they do) but for non-subscribers, there will be ads, like I said, the $$ gotta come from somewhere. Perhaps one of the 23 dislikes here are youtuber content creators too, but I'm guessing not or at least not at this level.
You can fast forward through the commercials
@@cpkarkow663 Lance?
Had there not been so much wind on the climb Pogi would have attacked much sooner and you would have seen a much bigger gap by the summit. Jonas was at his limit and he was lucky the climb ended when it did.
The Netflix documentary peaked my interest in cycling and brought me here
*picqued
@@johnratcliffe6438 You failed miserably to correct the OP. all you had to do was google and seen it is actually, piqued.
@@johnratcliffe6438 piqued
The last few tours it was Tadej versus a team. This year the tables are turned on Jonas. Let's see who wins. 👍🏻🚵🏽♀️🇸🇮💯🇨🇵
Few years ? Last years uae was stronger in the mountains
I mean van aert and kuss dropped Pogi on climbs in the past years they were in monster mode cmon UAE was non existent in 2022 and 2023
Jonas is not even near his best form. That's the problem.
@@MarkTomehSo? Pogacar wasn't anywhere near his 100% last year and he still came in and fought with all he had. No difference. Except that riding with a wrist that is healing from a complicated fracture is much more complicated than what Jonas had. I know a couple of my mtb friends that broke collar bone and ribs and they were able to ride rough terrain in just a couple months, but I crashed and not even broke my wrist, just overextended it an maybe cracked something and it sometimes still hurts under pressure even though it's been almost 2 years now. Yeah, nobody wants to talk about that and how Jonas and Wout attacked Tadej on the descent when they saw him shaking his wrist. Such a scu m b@g move.
I love it when the talk about cycling.
Love this show! No one has better input than this team..
I watch the race and then l go here to understand it. I look forward to it every July! Just like l used to look forward to watching you guys race.
I really enjoyed the show today! Thank you. 😊
Watching big names getting dropped is always amazing! 15 seconds after and people were still trying to beat the mountain!
UAE team is learning a lot. They applied the same tactics pressuring Vingegaard, mirroring last years' moves of Visma. Vingegaard is in a worse position strategically & tactically. Guess we can potentially see 3 grand tour wins by Pogi & UAE this year. This is historical.
Pay back is awesome! 👏
Firstly, huge fan of the show. I wish you guys did a show everyday of the year lol. Going back to Jonas being only 50 seconds behind so far is impressive. He himself said after the race today that he and his team expected to be atleast 2 minutes behind or more. he even added that his time will come. I believe his time will come on plateau de Beille, Cime de la bonnette, Isola as these climbs suit Jonas more and the last time trial.
I wanted to add so far Remco has been impressive, proving many people wrong including myself. Huge Rogla fan but he has been disappointing so far - could be the crash at the tour de basque and also crashing twice at the dauphine adding to this crazy hard start of the tour. Hopefully he doesn't crash again and can find some momentum in the remaining stages.
It is like Lance sometimes forget he is Lance F… Armstrong. The guy who beat cancer came back and won the Tour de France 7 times. The greatest bike rider to ever live. Just to say it makes sense that he is following on IG, like I think 99% of the riders in the Tour de France are doing
This tour is gonna show why sepp was the best american hope in le tour since LA. smh we never winning another smh.
I remember the Tour TV coverage being once a week on Saturdays just a few minutes of highlights.
Pogicar is in another level fantastic athlete …. Vinregaard clearly not 100-% but chapeau how he rode 9 weeks ago he was in an ICU ….Pogicar will win the tour this year
I love both riders, but I feel Jonas is on juice.
@@davesingh9166 how do you know pogicar s not …. You can’t accuse anyone on a feeling else you might as well accuse them all
@@davesingh9166he totally is, the whole Visma. It was super obvious in 22 and 23 Tour. A Danish guy on stage 4 told Porino how they raced together as juniors and that Jonas was below average and was always getting dropped. Ffwd when Visma takes him and he's a champion. Same, they took Roglic and he became a champion. They took Wout from a completely different discipline and he's now a sprinter that can climb. Ridiculous! Plus they have Laporte winning races and had other guys on top in 22 and 23 Tour and now Jorgenson, a fresh champion. All dopping.
@@Gary-le7dzyou are correct, I can't tell if Pogacar is on juice as well.
Tadej has ridden the Giro and supposedly had COVID just before the TdF, so one can argue that he was not 💯. He had the Giro in his legs. TP learnt from his past mistakes. 2025 will make a better showdown. Pogacar is my favourite.
@@shadowsun33I saw the "cycling highlights" video on this. Totally
Remko is doing amazing, showing some real maturity, he may have a chance at the podium. I am a Pog fan, if you watch last year, Pog was doing this to Vin last year after an early bad stage. My worry is that Pog needs to be smart and efficient to have a chance of winning in the end. He finally has the best team which might be the difference, but I fear Vin will start taking TT time and crack Pog again. Saying Vin is not 100% I think is wrong, Pog better this year, Vin nearly held him and Pog dropped him 3 times last year. Preying for a Pog victory but if I were a betting man, I think Vin may still come out on top. Gonna be fascinating, please Pog prove me wrong, you are the greatest all round cyclist full stop and the best ambassador for sport, love Pog. ❤
That was just the beginning of Pogi! He will gain 20-25 sec. in the TT and another 40-50 sec in the gravel stage when he and MVDP will team up! 😉
He will need a lot more than that. Last year he lost by 7 minutes overall. Jonas has the recovery that means he can take on a whole team on his own.
@@NyelandsPogi has base (Giro), refreshed training (extra watts and lighter) - we shall see.
Sepp Kuss is missing. Enough said.
And Vingegaard had this little thing you know.
Without injury Pogacar would not have gotten the space, and without the fear after an injury that could have crippled him for life. Normally he would be the better rider downhill as we have seen, but he is clearly scared
Just started watching but spot on what Armstrong just said in the intro clip. Jonas confirmed in a interview he is quite pleased and expected at least 2 minutes gap by now (could be a bluff but I believe him) Visma will light it up 3rd week.
I don't think visma has the man to light up this year..
Remco has never gone downhill well.
I can’t remember an alpine stage this early in the race , ever
Paris last hosted the Olympics in 1924, and once before in 1900... geography has a lot to do with why they're in the Alps so soon.
What is the rationale for getting stronger throughout if he missed prep time leading to the race. Last year Pogacar crashed too and was in a somewhat similar place. In the last week, he seemed like he lacked the endurance after starting strong.
They are deluded.
@@wolfbird3217They’re not. We’ve seen Pog crack, and the heat and high mountains have done it. Jonas has gotten better in week 3 every tour he’s ridden.
@@oscarwandel9612 I wouldn't say BY far......Pogacar has proven that this season
Matteo J dropped 4km from the top of Galibier. After that Vingegaard was alone. Visma is no match for UAE and Vingegaard will have to win this tour on his own and that's a tall order coming from the hospital.
Easy easy.....Jorgensen had a crash the other day, and he said after the stage, that it´s probably therefore and no need to worry for the next though stages for the GC. Jonas said to Danish TV, that we off course needs to debate this later, but i also think it´s very human to have a bad day. I´m not that concerned, he said. Remember, Visma was sure about, before the Tour, that Pogacar would have 2 min on Jonas, after stage 4. He has 50 sec on him, so the battle is on 4 sure. Cheers from Denmark
They thought he’d lose 2 minutes
Vin was safely tucked inside the UE train. He was in the best position for the win. He simply couldn't best T.
@@adventuresona700dollarhard5 yet. He was only 8 seconds down at the top of the climb
@@thomaskandersen7250well what riders say to the press is not 100% true you know.. Could you imagine Jonas saying : "yes I'm disappointed by the team and I am worried? " of course he'd never say that
my god the ads in this show!!! so many! must be 100k worth per episode
Only tour podcast I follow 👍🔥
Lance had some of the best “bike-skills” in the tour…Hincapie had great climbing skills and downhill speed…pretty good combo…Lance is the “goat”…
Lance is a cheater and a criminal. Should have gone to jail for a spell.
@@patricialarmet4586Shut up i d i o t !
Geeez. At least 40% of the show are commercials, could be more.
Y’all are killing me with the spoiler titles when I haven’t watched the stage yet and click on TH-cam for something else.
That’s on u, bud.
💯
Uhhhh, you haven't learned? lol
It's bad
then dont do that. cheers
Sorry fellas. At the risk of Jonas proving me wrong...I'll take that risk. Jonas may get stronger as he goes on but this version of POG is not the same. Pog will win.
Let’s just remember that on April 17 Jonas left the hospital after collarbone surgery with a cast, and a lung that was still healing. Here 11 weeks (76 days) later he is somehow able to drop all the other best riders in the world and it takes Pogi (who has dominated the entire season) a massive attack to even shake him off his wheel. If Jonas is somehow able to ride away from Pogacar in the last week of the race, I will be more than a little suspicious.
And here you are watching Lance’s podcast😂
Well if Harrisonmorris9329 is suspicious, then we should perk up and listen.
Jonas was in super shape before the crash. Hard work and targeted very carefully planned training has made it possible for him to get back. If the plan works, his form will keep rising. They always go for having the top form kicking in by the third week.
@@harrisonmorris9329 Says the sage. Thank you for blessing us with your wisdom, oh exalted one.
@@karstenprehn6941 to me (again this is all opinion) this is another argument that every tv pundit and analyst has been making which further drives my point. No other rider, in modern era, or in history gets stronger in spite of fatigue in the third week of a grand tour stage race. If anyone can provide me with one other example of this, that would be great. The human body will not develop and get stronger when it is constantly being diminished and burned down stage after stage with only 2 rest days for three weeks. If Jonas is stronger than he is now in the third week, there is an inhuman explanation.
Tadej still looks like he will take it all, unless he has burnt too many matches already. Jonas just about kept up, right to the summit, and lost most of his time descending, which is, considering his recent crash, very normal. If Jonas gets stronger and Tadej loses the time trial, it will change the outlook. Possible? Yes, but only if Tadej has done too much too soon.
Tadej needs to ride smart. In the past he goes full gas to win sprints or stages that he doesn't need. He needs to save his legs for when it matters.
If you go over the Galibier either way you are going to have descend it whether it is at the start, middle or end and they are going to do it at race pace.
Yep agree, let not make cycling go the same way as Formula 1 with all its nonsense rules and regulations making it very boring!
shocking performance from Mas, Simon Yates and Carapaz
Shocking Carapaz acheived a maillot jaune at all considering his prep, you mean? Were you listening?
I rode this same decent in 2005, brutal
JB's last comment was epic! 😂🙌
The myth of riding in shape. It's more about who keeps their form best or loses the least. This is not a training camp with a precisely controlled load...
Lance tell us what these guys are using.
same stuff lance and all other pro athletes past and present are on. Just more advance today compare to 30 years back.
@@oliverleigh9854 Blood doping that's for sure, microdosage of Testosterone, but also strong painkillers like Tapentadol probably.
Sportsmanship .. lance not familiar with it
This is exactly what UAE planned to do from day 1. That’s why all the climbers on the roster. They aren’t gonna attack him much or at all. Anywhere it will count to attack him he will have teammates. in order to attack him Jonas will do it alone but UAE will take Visma away from Jonas and isolate him and just keep hurting him. It’s their only hope that Jonas isn’t 100%. I’ll agree though, man he looks better than I thought he would be. Roglic is gonna come back I think. But UAE is so strong for now.
"It's their only hope that Jonas isn't 100%"
Who's only hope? You just explained how they have the team to protect and hurt the way that Jonas had it to isolate and hurt Pogi last year.
Great opening comments by Lance. Only 50 seconds down and by week 3, Jonas should be at his peak and Tadej will be in his 6th grand tour week of the season . . . He might be a little tired carrying that yellow jersey.
One thing I’ll say is:
You guys keep saying that Vingegaard will get better as the race goes on…I’m not so sure about that. He’s spent a lot of energy chasing just two of Pogacar attacks. If anything he’ll be destroyed by week two. He looked like he was suffering today.
Exactly. I don’t understand their logic at all. George is nothing but a JV a apologist. Pogacar has the stronger team, theoretically he doesn’t have to work as hard, but if JV has to respond to attacks, how does it necessarily make him stronger in the last week. JV suffered today.
@@brianmchugh3757 So you haven't see the last two years of the TDF?
@@Nyelandshave you seen Pogacar this STRONG!
@@Nyelands Last year has no bearing on this one. You are making lots of assumptions about JV getting back to the level of last year’s tours & Tadej regressing to last year. Not likely. As for 2 years ago, Tadej had a bad day, particularly strategically against the Jumbo juggernaut & lost the Tour. Not going to happen this year.
Last year Tadej had to play catch up & expended too much energy to try & get even (energy that he didn’t have in reserve). This year, JV has to play catch up with a team that is lacking. He may have to expend too much energy to catch up (energy that he doesn’t have in reserve).
Please analyse for us the current Tour not simply and lazily relive 2023.
People talk about the 2024 Tour as if it is 2023 Tour. Cutting and pasting the same progress of events. Pogi (healthy) will crack, Jonas (not so healthy) will miraculously improve and get to the 2023 otherworldly level....and will also pull off a strange time trial performance all over again!
So last year Pogi became weaker at the end of the tour after his injuries. Why this panel believe that Jonas will get stronger is beyond me. It is not a training camp😅
After stage 7 last year, where pogi gained back time on Jonas, everybody said pogi is gonna get better too...until he collapsed and everybody switched their argument 180. I would not give 2 cents on these speculations
It had nothing to do with Pogi's injuries that he collapsed.
Pogi could have stressed his hand, but likely his hand was better week 3 than week 1, but he usually fall more than Jonas.
Jonas maintains his level better - or that has been the case the last three years!
Because he is not Pogi
@@jenspetersen5865it’s like people haven’t watched the last 2 tours.
I don't think he gets better rather than he declines less because his ability to recover faster than any other rider.
“Got on an e-bike and said he was gonna get a salad and chill.” Hilarious
I have a request for us Clydesdale riders. Can we get an appearance by Magnus Backstedt or some interesting stories about him?!?!? Love you guys!
"Jonas getting better and better...." Heard that over and over... So no chance his accident and short time to prep catch up to him and he fatigues instead of just getting better?
Right. Isn't fatigue cumulative?
I think those statements are based on earlier experiences. We never see him getting fatique late in a stage race. Also, they have carefully been building up his form to keep rising. They are aiming for the topform to kick in by the third week. We will see, if it happens. I think it will.
He’s historically gotten better and better into the tour. His week 3 has been better than his week 1 every time he’s won
But this time, you have a Pogi who’s has the best form of his life and a big base of a Grand Tour in his legs.
Lance was also always getting better in the last week. 😂
Merckx getting punched in the gut was my first vision of Le Tour , probably ABC Wide World of Sports , glad i started cycling thanks to my Dad
Vingegaard is carrying injuries that may have "healed" and he may have silenced the doubters.. but the Tour is race of attrition and I would think that biologically as the weeks drag on those injuries are going to complicate his recovery.
I worry that we are looking at his track record from 22/23 as an indicator for this year and we have the hardest climbs in the third week . Also team dynamics have clearly changed. In past years Vingegaard had a clearly superior team that was able to isolate Pogacar in the mountains with Visma riders surrounding him. The tables have turned in that regard. It was 4 or 5 UAE swarming around Jonas.
Guys!…..I really don’t share your view on JV being stronger at the end. Surely he hasn’t got the conditioning and I believe he will fade. If we’re looking at a Dark horse it would be Carlos R (Ineos)?
You didn't hear his interview after todays stage. "My time will come"
I tested positive for EPOs just by staring at the thumbnail.🤭
Remco remind me of Jan, he is diesel motor he can go and go but when the violet attacks come he won't be able to go with them he close again slowly. Long gradual climbs probably suite him the best. I think Remco will probably take sometime on Tadej in the ITT if you look how strong he was on the flats of stage 2 new the end of the stage.
No one thought Pogi would have 10 minutes at this stage...idiotic statement.
It’s a little hyperbolic, but by their own account Visma expected him to take time on the first two stages, too. They expected to be down over 2 mins.
Awesome show! You've got a typo in the title (Satge should be Stage)
The way I see it is that Jonas is less confident on the descents might be due to his accident. Same story which happened last year with Tadej.
But Jonas will be getting stronger in the weeks to come while Tadej will be getting more tired. This should even out the battle.
I am sure Tadej will try to attack more and more on the downhill section instead of trying to drop Jonas on peaks. Mountain finishes will be really close.
Time Trials will be in favour of Jonas. This is where he will try to gain maximum of time.
But I am curious to see how Remco will keep up.
Where is Outcomes?
The sponsors. Omg!! 😱
I wish I could be watching race but it's not on TV in the US without streaming
If I'm George, I'm not staying there another night.
Anzeige draußen.
VISOR AKTIVIERT. Enough heart.
You guys are missing the point that bike racing is up AND downhill...not just uphill. Part of the sport whether you like it or not.
If Cav doesn't get the record is there any consolation as a cycling fan that Eddie Merckx will still be at there at the top for most tdf stage wins and thus maintain his incredible legacy? And what are the chances of Pogi surpassing them? And what did you guys think of the Netflix show on Cavendish?
Has George drank any of that AG1 yet? Looking like the same levels as the day before!!
Lance has got so much underlying anger,😂 his biggest luck in life is to have George as a true friend!
He's lucky to have great friends everyone wants that i guess so but I don't think lance is an angry guy, strong in his views yes
You would too. The entire peloton was doped up out of their minds yet he was singled out and punished severely. He had to give so much money back and Nike dropped him immediately yet Nike never gave back the millions of $$$ they made off of Lance's back. In fact, they all dropped him bit happily kept huge proceeds they made off of him. So he was bad, evil, horrible person, but his money was good? You'd be happy? Exactly.
Where do we send our questions?
João Almeida today destroy all peloton. 💪👏🔥
Gremo tadej slovenija
Curious about the 3rd week...Jonas should be growing his form and Giro may start kicking in for Pogi. I don't think this is a done deal.
Tadej is a clean rider which seems kind of ironic.
Less girl talk guys. There's actually a good race to discuss.
Jonas and Visma team are doppers! Cheaters! I always said it and today in the live stream they found a spectator from Denmark who bragged about how he knows Jonas very good from teenage years when they rode together for local teams but then unintentionally ousted Jonas saying that he was always below average rider who constantly got dropped and then started getting really good after he was 18.
Hahaha, I knew it. You can make a case against Tadej, but Tadej was always extraordinary. He had to compete in categories higher to have challenge.
I raced in Slovenia, Austria and Italy in the 90s and you'd never see a champ coming out of being average. I was never average and all those that were champion material, we'd never get dropped. The fact that Jonas suddenly rose to power and fame is just the Visma LAB thing. Lab specifically. It's very obvious, but lots of fresh cyclists are popping up following this sport and thus they're easily impressed and persuaded that Jonas is a special guy, that Wout is a special guy, that Roglic is a special guy, that Jorgenson is a special guy. That the entire Visma from 2022 and 2023 were amazing!
Sure, amazing at gobbling concoctions from their LAB. Ain't no way Wout who's from a completely different world, cyclocross can perform at such high speeds as road cyclist specialists and sprinters. No way Roglic comes into cycling way late from a completely unrelated sport discipline and under Jumbo becomes a champ of road racing. Talent? Sure, but much more science than talent is the game here.
And Jonas from cold ass Denmark performs amazing in heat and gets better in the 3rd week of grand Tours. A bunch of garbage masking the fact he's dopped up because his team director is greedy as shit!!!
And their dirty racing is disgusting. Last Tour they forced the peloton to wait for their injured riders who were not even GC while they had Wout in the breakaway who wasn't slowing down. When Jonas saw that Tadej was in pain from his wrist injury and was shaking his hand after they reached the top of a climb Wout and Jonas started accelerating into the descent and started dropping Tadej.
Total BS team and they finally got their karma this year. And now they're tryina spy and stalk their contenders w/ their stupid van. Ugh, never despised anybody as much as I do them and their weasel Jonas who pretends to be humble and is everything but that for those that have the eyes to see. I could back anybody to win over Tadej but not this guy. Something's off about him ever since he got onto the scene and that's why the general consensus in the peloton is that nobody cares about him. Most tolerate him and that's it. And stop trying to brainwash me how Danes are just such humble quiet people. Blah, blah, blah.
I said when Kuss won Vuelta that Visma will fall apart. You can't be so greedy to dope up everybody and then have too many top dogs racing for Jonas only. Kuss got a taste of fame and victory and that was enough. He don't want to waste his prime years to make others famous anymore. They made a huge mistake by letting him win. It was their downfall. And they should have never forced Primoz and Wout to be super domestiques. They trained them to be winners, so they're not happy to grind themselves to dust for others. It doesn't work that way.
😂😂😂😂 Jonas did Break all records in labs whiout doping.he is a great Athlete
@@thomaspetersen9991 Ahem, and I'm a crocodile. You're a 🤡🤡🤡
@@thomaspetersen9991 You know, as much shit as people give to Lance at least he was pretty amazing before doping, but it took only one Dane who actually spent teenage years together w/ Jonas racing to confirm that this Visma fraud was below average, not average but below,...getting dropped constantly until he was 18. Hehehe, I always knew it. He just always smelled fishy to me. He ain't a champion. He's just physiologically very responsive to the doping programme that the V LAB runs. I knew that in 2022 and 2023 with what Wout was doing and pretty much the entire team. They were winning left and right. That's not normal for a team of nobodies. Go trying to brainwash some other fool. I wasn't born yesterday. This Jonas is a cheat and it started coming out and it will come out sooner than later for everybody to know. Their glory and power started falling apart after the doping accusations. They most likely decreased the concoctions or motor doping to not get investigated any further. I mean, one of their riders tested positive. 😜
@@shadowsun33 You have held this pain in for two years right? My god, I think Jonas need a restraining order.
He does. From dopping so he can come clean.
Cool, but use popfilters, because when somebody listen you on headphones, he can hear your every breath.
Here’s the thing with saying he only lost 6 secs on the climb, Pogi attacked late, he lost that time over a very short period, if Pogi attacks five mins earlier JV loses a lot more on the ascent and the decent today. He has the wind to thank.
agreed. weather condition helps everyone apart from Pogi.
Jonas I think was spun out with not big enough gear going downhill and I think if Jonas was still on Tadej's wheel at the top he would not have lost all that time. Confidence will come on his descending. And Visma is truly missing Sepp.
Pogacar was making time on every turn on that final climb after he attacked. Jonas was able to keep it to a minimum when it wasn't as steep, but you could clearly see Pogacar was stronger......which doesn't involve any big gears.
You're clearly blind. Jonas lost confidence in descending. You must be fresh to cycling. Watch stage 2 and go study apex and what that even means. Then rewatch stage 2 and you'll see Jonas apex is super choppy compare to Tadej's apex. Tadej had to brake excessively while behind Jonas and almost hit him on occasion or two. Tadej rode that descent on stage 4 like a true master while Jonas was riding very scared put under pressure to prevent losing time. His apex was all over the place, so he had to worth much harder to maintain the speed.
I just want to see one of these titles to say "Cav Finally Gets His Win!" 🤞🏼🙏🏼🤞🏼
Groenewegen has never seen the dangers posed by Opt Grab glasses or he’d never wear those aero beak shades. PSA from “The Jerk”.
A decent is a decent weather it’s in the middle of the race or the end. let’s not get all sensitive about it. It’s up to the rider to know his skills
Jonas will have his day . I am so disappointed for Roglic . Hope he has great day
Stage 4 was a very good day for Roglic......
Descending is just as much a requirement as climbing; otherwise you may as well just do the race on Zwift. It's a skill, and a top rider should be able to do it......
More to cycling than just watts, w/kg, VO2 Max........
Exactly and it takes time to build confidence after a crash. The worse the crash the longer it takes. Some people just never come back from it to be a 100%.
Bring Back Johaan to The Move, no one knows more than that guy. That’s guy knowledge + Lance’s cockiness make the show.
did Pogi went 88km downhill?
That's not much.
Finish at the bottom will last until someone get seriously injured or worse. I did not watch the first 5 minutes of the downhill.
Sepp Kuss absence today was especially notable. While I understand that Covid effects everyone differently, I do find it interesting that Kuss' infection eliminated him from the tour while Pogacar gets it and...well, we all saw what happened today.
Like you said, it hits everyone differently.
When does he talk about Tadej?
I won't even try to image the welcome back of B.Girmay in Eritrea. Look at this video, guys (fast-forward mode is pretty enough to get the feeling), 2 Eritrean cyclist are back in their country after having finished their Tour de France in 2015. One of them was wearing a polka dot jersey for 4 days. Those crowds and limos and the president... Crazy! th-cam.com/video/8gS-RtKJvQI/w-d-xo.html
Please have Jan Ullrich back on the show.
Pogacar is surrounded by his team mate's and Jonas is isolated when he really needs his team around him. Pathetic to see Jonas been dropped. Hope he improves in the latter stages. 😢😢😢
Why PATHETIC? He has recovered from big injuries
Me dunkt mij bedoelt ge niet "pathetic" maar "it s a shame that..."
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It's time to start talking that the master did start preparation for the triple known.
At the end of this week it will be clear for everyone that the master is in a training for the triple crown