By running avoid high risk kerbs we are basically able to cut tire wear in half, in terms of pace loss, over the course of 2 races running out infront with no contention, the difference in the two strategies (S-S-M Attack without kerbs vs S-M Attack with kerbs) was that kerbs was just 3 seconds slower, the tyre degradation though could be massive if you use it while staying within DRS of a faster car. After being made aware it doesn't work for everyone it seems to be combination of this setting with tyre temperatures that results in the 50% degradation change, if running them close to overheating it gets reduced to about 20%-30% degradation.
Ran it for 6 races. In Imola and Monaco you can't get the tyres into working window without kerbs even on attack. In Bahrain, Jeddah and Australia it was great
I have tried so many different strategies with the Tifosi Trial on the Equal Performance Monza challenge. Giovinazzi seems to want to lose. Push, conserve, 1 stop, 2 stop. He seems to find a way to stay in 4th.
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I worked in Qatar Japan for me so far and I have smoked the number one car Red bull but 30 seconds with a number two car Ferrari. This feels like a bug to me because I should not be able to beat the fastest car and the best stat driver for stomping with LeClerc by 30 seconds with no contest . 😅 It kind of makes my wins meaningless if the AI can't figure out what I'm doing in this simulation. Sainz won ahead of Verstappen by 14 seonds in Japan and Qatar aswell
Which track? As I have only tested this at Bahrain it could have less effect on other tracks. Seems to be a modifier that works with the heating, if the heating is kept within optimal levels tyre degradation remains close to 50% but as it gets closer to overheating it goes down to about 20% decrease. So tracks that causes overheat even with this setting it wont be as effective on.
@@NeroBax i've tested with alfa romeo (bottas and daniel) in austria and valtteri had the same tyre deg as normal but cold tyre while daniel had 10-15% more tyre than him
Tried it last 4 races of calendar. Wear was slightly better, but temps were still through going into red. Pace decrease didn’t seem worth it. So it probably as you said, it’s more a situational thing than always everywhere.
I just did it in Spa with Mclaren. In the Sprint I could fully push both cars without overheating the tires and the tire wear was the same as driving the tires on Standard.
If you guys pay attention to your temperatures they do go cold even with you going aggressive on the tires so turn it off and on every three laps and you keep the temperatures within normal operating range but you get the performance. There's only works for me if your car is aerodynamic which is what I focused on with Ferrari
I’ve tried this before in my Mercedes Save and it seems to work can you just leave them in full attack the whole time or do you have to have them back off
Research seems bugged at the moment which is making it quite difficult to figure out exactly how it works, the bug is that the sliders do not work, so in terms of research just focus on the parts hit by the regulations. There is not much to it but I will make a short video explaining it either today or tommorow.
@@NeroBax Mike Takumi said adjusting the sliders has no effect.. no matter how you set the sliders, it'll act as if you left it in balanced, and therefore only get a balanced research done
They will steadily decline until about 30% when they really start to massively lose performance, they lose a certain amount of pace each lap, if you go to circuit information -> compound performance you can see the data.
@@NeroBax thank you so much! Yea it makes me wonder and when I should do a pit stop. Some times when I hits 50%, then I get taken over by someone with 60%. But some times I also see AI usually pitting around 35-40% range, so it makes me question when would be the optimal degradation to do a pit stop. Cheers mate! Awesome content!
Basically you want to run as agressive a strategy as you can, trying to avoid hitting the 30% mark. If you are running attack even if you are on worse tires you can have way better times than the AI. For me that has been working fairly well for my playtrough and saves, using the race planner to figure out the most aggresive strategy avaliable (Usually Med - Hard - Soft/Med). Aslong as your strategy has the best time in the race planner and your degradation during the race is not higher than expected you should be good. In this game the cars and the drivers matters quite a lot too, so you could get overtaken on fresh softs sometimes as a result.
It doesn't specifically say it has an effect, but since powertrain wear is linked to temperature, by pushing harder we will be putting more temperature into the powertrain, how much wear you get will depend on your engine cooling.
I was p1 and p2 30 seconds ahead. Had a double stack pit stop issue with 6 laps yo go and soon as p3 and p4 passed me a crash happened and brought out the safety car that didn't go till the finish... Thry had 30% soft tires and I had 100%fresh some times it feels like the game is rigged i swear XD
it has been fixed@@MichaelCoughlan. but when your driver make a mistake and destroy its tyre, you want preserve it using the "avoid kerb" feature, it's an important tool.
i dont believe pace affects powertrain wear this year.. i did a test in practice, where 1 driver ran standard settings, and my other driver ran conserve pace and fuel.. at end of practice they had same wear and tear.
Does this matter less on harder tyres? I’m just thinking if you’re on a one stop and there’s an early safety car, could you extend the life of hards to make it to the end without stopping if you use avoid kerbs while keeping normal pace, as opposed to conserve tyre pace
Watching and reading all these stuff on discord made me stop to play and wait for 1-2 patches. Lot of stuff has to be changed which is more than usual balance, bugs like the tyre comps or penalties and this one makes the game a "beta" more than an actual release.
I run the hard en medium tires to almost overheating en then for about 30 sec flip the avoid high cerbs on and off. So the temp dropps not to much en your driver will push the max out of the tires and the weare off line.
If you move hamilton to another Team his helmet is just the default one, his number is White and the Driver who gets his seat at the Mercedes has yellow numbers whoever it is
@@NeroBax oh and why does it seem like my drivers are just pure shit in a bad car while i have a better car than ferrari right now in my alfa romeo save?
@@Smokeyy000 Unless you check on the day of the race weekend you do not get a accurate representation of your car vs AI as they replace failed parts and equip new ones then. Check where your car is on the day of the race weekend.
@@NeroBax by the way in the first race of the season carlos sainz takes me out. Now my ers, engine and gearbox are terminally damaged. Then the second race the same happens with russel. Now i have to take grid penalties because they caused the crashes. Will this get fixed
It should since you aren't touching the kerbs. But depends on how it is implemented, if it is just modifiers to how the car behaves rather than fully implemented in the sim, you wouldn't see any changes but I would assume so, probably should have had a look at it but was more focused on the other implications of this.
I'm not trying to find faults with the game, I am trying to understand how the options we are given work. That some of them come with unintended effects is not my fault, it is the fact that there has been very little testing here as running a single race with this option to see if it works would it caught immediatly.
By running avoid high risk kerbs we are basically able to cut tire wear in half, in terms of pace loss, over the course of 2 races running out infront with no contention, the difference in the two strategies (S-S-M Attack without kerbs vs S-M Attack with kerbs) was that kerbs was just 3 seconds slower, the tyre degradation though could be massive if you use it while staying within DRS of a faster car.
After being made aware it doesn't work for everyone it seems to be combination of this setting with tyre temperatures that results in the 50% degradation change, if running them close to overheating it gets reduced to about 20%-30% degradation.
Ran this strategy with Aston Martin in my 3rd season. Won 4 races and 2 sprints with Lando Norris. Really useful.
gg my bro
I tried this it in my Alpine save and it has help me a lot to save tyre wear. I was able to go longer with both Gasly and Ocon.
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it avoid also the danger of offtracking, because, he can fully attack without taking risk (avoid risk kurbs says it all), so it's a great idea ...
Ran it for 6 races. In Imola and Monaco you can't get the tyres into working window without kerbs even on attack. In Bahrain, Jeddah and Australia it was great
I literally done it in Monaco and was like thus was a waste. Hopefully Canada will be better
I have tried so many different strategies with the Tifosi Trial on the Equal Performance Monza challenge. Giovinazzi seems to want to lose. Push, conserve, 1 stop, 2 stop. He seems to find a way to stay in 4th.
Wow, that is super broken. Seems like major bug. Cool find
Thanks so much for all the effort you put into your video explanations
used this today with haas, not as effective since it was patched but K mag made up from 14th to 10th and ran softs for 25 laps
Very interesting find that lol, could you make a video on researching for second season?
my save about to be cooking now.
Hola Crack! La verdad no hablo bien inglés 😂, pero entendí el vídeo y la verdad fue muy revelador 😊, gracias por este contenido me ayudo mucho en este gran juego que es Formula 1 Manager 2023 ❤. Saludos desde Uruguay 🇺🇾.
its track dependent and the ai use it too which makes me think its intended, but the function does need to be nerfed
I worked in Qatar Japan for me so far and I have smoked the number one car Red bull but 30 seconds with a number two car Ferrari.
This feels like a bug to me because I should not be able to beat the fastest car and the best stat driver for stomping with LeClerc by 30 seconds with no contest . 😅 It kind of makes my wins meaningless if the AI can't figure out what I'm doing in this simulation. Sainz won ahead of Verstappen by 14 seonds in Japan and Qatar aswell
I think there is more going on. Tried this with alpha tauri with Yuki, and tires went smoking.
Which track? As I have only tested this at Bahrain it could have less effect on other tracks. Seems to be a modifier that works with the heating, if the heating is kept within optimal levels tyre degradation remains close to 50% but as it gets closer to overheating it goes down to about 20% decrease. So tracks that causes overheat even with this setting it wont be as effective on.
@@NeroBax i've tested with alfa romeo (bottas and daniel) in austria and valtteri had the same tyre deg as normal but cold tyre while daniel had 10-15% more tyre than him
Tried it last 4 races of calendar. Wear was slightly better, but temps were still through going into red. Pace decrease didn’t seem worth it. So it probably as you said, it’s more a situational thing than always everywhere.
I just did it in Spa with Mclaren. In the Sprint I could fully push both cars without overheating the tires and the tire wear was the same as driving the tires on Standard.
If you guys pay attention to your temperatures they do go cold even with you going aggressive on the tires so turn it off and on every three laps and you keep the temperatures within normal operating range but you get the performance. There's only works for me if your car is aerodynamic which is what I focused on with Ferrari
God damm thats a damm good tip thanks haha
I’ve tried this before in my Mercedes Save and it seems to work can you just leave them in full attack the whole time or do you have to have them back off
Would you please do a video on researching for next seasons car because that is something im not very good at
Research seems bugged at the moment which is making it quite difficult to figure out exactly how it works, the bug is that the sliders do not work, so in terms of research just focus on the parts hit by the regulations. There is not much to it but I will make a short video explaining it either today or tommorow.
@@NeroBax Mike Takumi said adjusting the sliders has no effect.. no matter how you set the sliders, it'll act as if you left it in balanced, and therefore only get a balanced research done
Awesome video! Want to ask, at what percentage of tire degradation should you change the tires? And at what percentage do they begin to slow down?
They will steadily decline until about 30% when they really start to massively lose performance, they lose a certain amount of pace each lap, if you go to circuit information -> compound performance you can see the data.
@@NeroBax thank you so much! Yea it makes me wonder and when I should do a pit stop. Some times when I hits 50%, then I get taken over by someone with 60%. But some times I also see AI usually pitting around 35-40% range, so it makes me question when would be the optimal degradation to do a pit stop.
Cheers mate! Awesome content!
Basically you want to run as agressive a strategy as you can, trying to avoid hitting the 30% mark. If you are running attack even if you are on worse tires you can have way better times than the AI.
For me that has been working fairly well for my playtrough and saves, using the race planner to figure out the most aggresive strategy avaliable (Usually Med - Hard - Soft/Med). Aslong as your strategy has the best time in the race planner and your degradation during the race is not higher than expected you should be good.
In this game the cars and the drivers matters quite a lot too, so you could get overtaken on fresh softs sometimes as a result.
How does running full attack effect powertrain wear?
It doesn't specifically say it has an effect, but since powertrain wear is linked to temperature, by pushing harder we will be putting more temperature into the powertrain, how much wear you get will depend on your engine cooling.
Im so pissed off I was already P2 and P3 and then the Pit Stop crew screwed up!
I was p1 and p2 30 seconds ahead. Had a double stack pit stop issue with 6 laps yo go and soon as p3 and p4 passed me a crash happened and brought out the safety car that didn't go till the finish...
Thry had 30% soft tires and I had 100%fresh some times it feels like the game is rigged i swear XD
Should I use this strategy for Qualies?
No, it will result in slower laptimes.
is that bug has been fixed ? if it's not a bug, it's clearly an abusive advantage.
You don’t have to use it 😊
it has been fixed@@MichaelCoughlan. but when your driver make a mistake and destroy its tyre, you want preserve it using the "avoid kerb" feature, it's an important tool.
I noticed you mentioned the pace to be attack, does that still affect engine wear even if it's not displayed when clicking on the info box
i dont believe pace affects powertrain wear this year.. i did a test in practice, where 1 driver ran standard settings, and my other driver ran conserve pace and fuel.. at end of practice they had same wear and tear.
Does this matter less on harder tyres? I’m just thinking if you’re on a one stop and there’s an early safety car, could you extend the life of hards to make it to the end without stopping if you use avoid kerbs while keeping normal pace, as opposed to conserve tyre pace
You probably could, but it's gonna depend on the track.
Watching and reading all these stuff on discord made me stop to play and wait for 1-2 patches. Lot of stuff has to be changed which is more than usual balance, bugs like the tyre comps or penalties and this one makes the game a "beta" more than an actual release.
You realise that most of the AI drivers , only used one type of tyres 🤔 (yeah Verstappen and Perez etc, was on softs the entire race)
i was abused with that as well.. i didnt know it existed until it happened to me, it's caused by a mid session save from what i was told.
nice work to figure this out. but it has to be patched soon. it is too broken.
Pls dont patch this 🙏🏾
Does this still work
were you able to test the benefit of less powertrain wear and how much of a benefit that is?
Was just about 1% for Bahrain, but over the course of the season it might save you switching out an engine or so.
My tires are now becoming too cold when I do this .
If your tyres become cold, just untick the Avoid High Risk Kerbs for a lap or 2 and then tick it on again, it's pretty simple 😉
I run the hard en medium tires to almost overheating en then for about 30 sec flip the avoid high cerbs on and off. So the temp dropps not to much en your driver will push the max out of the tires and the weare off line.
Did you find this out yourself? Cause if so, Frontier should let you playtest for them xD
Tested it out in practice mainly for the less powertrain wear part and had a wait a minute that doesn't make sense moment.
Does this still work in 1.8?
It should as they havent adressed it yet.
Interesting finding ! But I hope, you will never MOAN about too much incidents, when you drive all the time in full red Attack Mode... 😉
They have never played their own game. Things like that are so noticeable. And Russel is Driver 1 and Ham 2. So wrong and they released the game
If you move hamilton to another Team his helmet is just the default one, his number is White and the Driver who gets his seat at the Mercedes has yellow numbers whoever it is
Hamilton is car 2 in real life to get the yellow T-pod, since it matches his aesthetic.
Hamilton is actually car #2.
He also lost to Russell last season just FYI. So it makes sense for him to be the #1 car for this season.
The brazen confidence combined with everyone else correcting you since it was you who was completely wrong here is hilarious.
Does it still work?
Yes, once team switching is in the game it will be fixed.
@@NeroBax oh and why does it seem like my drivers are just pure shit in a bad car while i have a better car than ferrari right now in my alfa romeo save?
@@Smokeyy000 Unless you check on the day of the race weekend you do not get a accurate representation of your car vs AI as they replace failed parts and equip new ones then. Check where your car is on the day of the race weekend.
@@NeroBax thanks
@@NeroBax by the way in the first race of the season carlos sainz takes me out. Now my ers, engine and gearbox are terminally damaged. Then the second race the same happens with russel. Now i have to take grid penalties because they caused the crashes. Will this get fixed
Is this patched?
Yes, it was patched awhile ago.
Hey this is the exploit I found and posted on Reddit yesterday
I think they patched this
Will avoiding kerbs effect your racing line?
It should since you aren't touching the kerbs. But depends on how it is implemented, if it is just modifiers to how the car behaves rather than fully implemented in the sim, you wouldn't see any changes but I would assume so, probably should have had a look at it but was more focused on the other implications of this.
Stop trying to find faults and cheats within the game and just play it and enjoy it for what it is
I'm not trying to find faults with the game, I am trying to understand how the options we are given work. That some of them come with unintended effects is not my fault, it is the fact that there has been very little testing here as running a single race with this option to see if it works would it caught immediatly.
People like you are EXACTLY the reason there are issues like this in games at all.
Don't think. Buy product.
or maybe the spastic developers could playtest their game for once?