i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know a way to get back into an instagram account?? I was stupid forgot the login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me!
@Caden Desmond thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Exactly mate, do these people think we're stupid, just fitting bigger wheels and lower profile tyres is going to improve the handling and braking, so this test is bullshit and void..!!
Watch the hands at @3:05, the driver was late to countersteer during the OEM trial compared to the Eibach groups, which accentuated the oversteer and made the Eibach products look more controlled.
I've been using Eibach for year (2 previous cars and now my motorcylce). It's an aftermarket spring for real conditions. More control but you don't really compromise the ride when matched with the right shocks and/ or struts. I love putting Eibach Springs with Bilstein shocks.
This test is totally biased. The Eibach equipped vehicle is using different wheels and likely stickier tires. And they make it seem like dive and forward weight transfer is going to decrease stopping performance when actually the dive allows the front weight transfer to press down on the front tires which typically are responsible for around 60-70% of the braking on most road cars.
+Angel Christov Good call, but i looked again and it appears they used the same rims on stock and pro-kit, but swapped them out for sport-system-plus. Conspicuously, no braking distance comparison between stock and pro-kit. Across all 3 suspensions, there is no inclination angle difference in the braking test either - the whole vehicle just sits lower. It seems that in slalom test, the sport-system-plus vehicle wins not due to springs, but due to anti-roll bar replacement, which is not available with pro-kit, and in the brake test due to wheel and tire replacement. I guess they have demonstrated that their spring replacements lower the vehicle without totally ruining the suspension design, instead of demonstrating that they have improved handling. But not every vehicle really needs to be lowered. ;) Scraping the ground does not make you cool.
+Siana Gearz I'm just hoping they made the right considerations when choosing the strut/shock length and spring rates when lowering. Especially on a car with Macpherson front suspension where you can quickly run out of suspension travel, that definitely won't make the car feel better. Besides I've always thought the ride height on modern BMWs was visually appealing in stock form. And I know BMW knows how to design a suspension better than Eibach, in terms of grip and compliance.
I'm having one question: even not about the wheels... however, that would be important too. Why the driver makes everything to fake the results? The steering reactions of the driver are just different, which is especially seen in the second part, where you can notice by the wheel position that the driver doesn't prevent the skid, and even helping it.
Well the trade off for better handling is comfort in ride. If you drive many curvy roads or take corners at high speeds great. But if you drive nothing but many freeway miles and long straights then you'll appreciate the stock suspension. I have had sport springs, race springs, and coilovers and know from over 30 years of driving.
Great advert for sticky low profile tyres. As for the difference between stock springs and Eibach springs- might as well tested a Mondeo against a Megane, please don't insult our intelligence!
One thing is the wheel size, but other is that as I experienced if you have sport suspension the car slides sooner at bad road conditions (wet or in snow). I dont have Eibach suspension only KONI, but my stock suspension was softer than the new one, and mostly in snow a bit harder to drive with the KONI. I think sport suspension works better only in good conditions.
I put a Pro Plus kit on my 2011 WRX hatch. I never did anything to the motor. After I got it to handle like it should have it was all the car I needed. I'm getting a Kia Stinger GT in a couple of weeks and I've already ordered the Pro Plus kit for it. This stuff works as advertised. You'll feel it more than the video would suggest, but it feels good. One comment: The voiceover artist's phony soft "r" is goofy sounding. It doesn't sound like the Middle Atlantic accent that was common in voiceovers of the 1940s and 1950s . It sounds like he is hearing impaired.
@Hanky1980 Hey, I got an E46 Compact as well and contemplating getting a set of either B12 Bilstein with pro-kit or sportline. Actually the sportline is cheaper due to a deal atm. Can you tell me if you had issues with speedbumps and getting up steep driveways and such? Also what was your overal impression on the long run?
I've just bought Eibach Pro kit for my Toyota but couldn't find any time to put them on. Now, I will see the difference in 2 weeks. The same car, the same driver, the same wheels. I will change my tires but not now. I wanna see how Eibach is working.
3:09 (stock) - late countersteering= slide / 3:21 (kit) - immediately countersteering = less slide [ look at driver hands ] well, it is irrefutable proof that this comparison is bullshit. I think that stock suspension it is as good as this kit. (i skipping issue that wheels are different ) SHIT TEST
I think some of your testing is legit but your last test is totally biased. The driver counter steered way quicker with the Eibach suspension setups than he did with the stock. Still looks like a good setup.
In the test for different tarmac responses on hard braking (3+ mins) with the standard set up car the driver corrects the slide by countersteering at least 20 yards later than in both subsequent tests. Not an equal test in my opinion.
What do you guys think? KSport Control Pro CoilOver kit? (945$ USD) or Eibach Sports-System-Plus? I like Eibach's Sports Plus kit because it includes the Sway bars BUT no so much the springs. I like KSport's offer because coilovers are much better than springs. This is for a Scion TC FWD
My original comment was removed. Everyone else is saying the same thing though. Eibach, just perform another test. The people who are watching this are educated. Pick one car, show its current performance level and then put that car in a shop and install your parts and show the performance difference after installation.
im thinking about buying a eibach sports kit for my rsx type s but it says it drop 1" front 1.4" rear so question is if its even gonna make a difference coz an inch isn't that much
QUICK QUESTIONS: 1)if i were to purchase the pro lowering kit would i need to buy new shocks? or is this made matched for stock shocks? 2) would the pro lowering kit be better or a coilover kit? i heard coilovers make the ride shaky. 3) would i need to adjust or modify my fenders? - 2012 civic si sedan
1. Eibach springs usually fit on your OEM shocks. 2.Good springs are usually better than cheap coilovers. And correcly set up coilsovers are not shaky. 3. No, you probably don't need to modify your fenders, since the drop isn't THAT aggressive (unless you're going with huge wheels or something). P.S. If your shocks have higher mileage (more than ~60,000 miles or so) you probably do best in replacing them, since putting spings on high mileage shocks will wear them out completely very quick.
I have a prokit on my honda accord. It is better than stock, but ditching it next year for full coil overs. I feel it's kind of a waste of money as you will probably only use it for a short time. bye bye $300
Your hydroplane test was done wrong. Look at how long it takes the rear end to break loose with the stock system vs the Eibach, also take note of the point on the track where the driver initiates the slide and where he starts correcting the slide. If you ask me the stock system wins.
I have these springs 1 year on my 540 i and I can say it is nothing worse than that stiff Eibachs, Than I put back my original M springs and it seems they are the best and far better than the stiff Eibachs. With Eibachs I also have pains in my back until I changed it for M-s.
Your wrong! The fender would go over the tire on the bigger rims. Bigger or smaller rims don’t effect the springs, generally. There for eibach is better:)
I like Eibach springs but this test video is ridiculous. In the slalom, the driver turns far wider than necessary to make the stock BMW slide, but in the upgraded BMW he drives a much straighter line and corners more conservatively. But it's the wet/dry simulation that takes the cake. With the stock BMW the driver turns into the slide to make it worse, while with the modified BMWs he countersteers to avoid a slide.
Has anyone installed the bilstein b12 prokit on a Mercedes c207? I know they are talking about a BMW on the video, but I need help, part #46-180766 b12 pro kit springs eibach front 112501901HA Rear spring 112501902VA my rear spring eibach spring is long than the stock, is this normal? Or did I get the wrong parts sent to me? Or do I have get shorter rubber plates where the spring sits? SEND HELP!!
An unfair test. Even if there are improvements between the different suspension set ups, the tyres are different. The last test is a complete bullshit: the driver countersteers very late in the stock car, while in the other two set ups he countersteers way earlier.
1:08 ...very wide entry to the 1st cone, to increase the cornering and squeak of the tires, entry speed of 75, 1:14 same as 2 last cones, more wide to make tire noise and increase roll of the car, if you watched in the other 2 runs(entry speeds of 68 and 68), and i do not believe the speedometer was working in the last run), with the einbach they dont corner so wide, this test is Biased, i belive its better with the einbach but not as much as they say, and its better by the fact that the car is lower ... not to mention the lower profile tires. 2:40: the lines had the same angle, the only thing that varies is the ride height. 2:47 different start braking points. And whats with the open window is for braking drag? :D Advertising tactics.
OH realy...plz put sport tyres on ur spings test car and on stock put winter tyres... Braking test is rubish.... + ur spring has sport 225, 235 tyres, and stock probb has 205...so ..test=fail
you realy should not fight pitch and roll through firmer springs, it just makes a road car stiffer, not ideal for everyday driving, that's why anti-roll bars, and anti-dive/squat geeometry were invented
what the....man, they should have used the same stock wheels on the eibach equipped car..how is anyone going to find this test fair LMAO. This videso whould have been called "what's the difference between a boring stock BMW and one that has been modded"
@TechnoWynzRacing For a guy with racing in the name you certainly don't know a whole lot about it... that 3rd BMW has larger wheels and performance tires.
one thing about sport suspension is it is king on flat cornery road, but on a real world not so flat road, please be prepared to take all the uncomfortability. i mean very2 uncomforatable makes ur backbone painful
Ho montato pochi giorni fa il Pro-Kit B12 sulla mia S-Max e devo dire che è un bell'assetto ma esteticamente purtroppo è rimasta alta, esteticamente non è bella. Ora vorrei cambiare, sono un po'deluso purtroppo.
sweet! so if I buy these springs, I get new wheels and tires too!?
i cant like this comment because it already has 169 likes
You forget new shocks !
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know a way to get back into an instagram account??
I was stupid forgot the login password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me!
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@Caden Desmond thanks so much for your reply. I found the site on google and im trying it out atm.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Does it comes with those low profile tires and bigger wheeels? LOL
What a test...not even same size tires or tire model -.-
Are you sure?
Exactly mate, do these people think we're stupid, just fitting bigger wheels and lower profile tyres is going to improve the handling and braking, so this test is bullshit and void..!!
@@AztekDJ Agreed! They are clearly targeting consumers that don't have the knowledge base that enthusiasts have.
You've just watch difference between 16" and 18" tires.
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Watch the hands at @3:05, the driver was late to countersteer during the OEM trial compared to the Eibach groups, which accentuated the oversteer and made the Eibach products look more controlled.
You're right. On the Sport Plus the driver countersteered before he even reached the cone lol
They upgraded the wheels too
I've been using Eibach for year (2 previous cars and now my motorcylce). It's an aftermarket spring for real conditions. More control but you don't really compromise the ride when matched with the right shocks and/ or struts. I love putting Eibach Springs with Bilstein shocks.
Hi, I ws thinking same configuration for my Honda Accord.
B4 Bilstein and Ecbach Pro Kit
@@SuperRustamm Bilstein and Eibach work amazing together.
This test is totally biased. The Eibach equipped vehicle is using different wheels and likely stickier tires. And they make it seem like dive and forward weight transfer is going to decrease stopping performance when actually the dive allows the front weight transfer to press down on the front tires which typically are responsible for around 60-70% of the braking on most road cars.
+Angel Christov 100% agree
+Angel Christov Good call, but i looked again and it appears they used the same rims on stock and pro-kit, but swapped them out for sport-system-plus. Conspicuously, no braking distance comparison between stock and pro-kit. Across all 3 suspensions, there is no inclination angle difference in the braking test either - the whole vehicle just sits lower. It seems that in slalom test, the sport-system-plus vehicle wins not due to springs, but due to anti-roll bar replacement, which is not available with pro-kit, and in the brake test due to wheel and tire replacement.
I guess they have demonstrated that their spring replacements lower the vehicle without totally ruining the suspension design, instead of demonstrating that they have improved handling. But not every vehicle really needs to be lowered. ;) Scraping the ground does not make you cool.
+Siana Gearz I'm just hoping they made the right considerations when choosing the strut/shock length and spring rates when lowering. Especially on a car with Macpherson front suspension where you can quickly run out of suspension travel, that definitely won't make the car feel better. Besides I've always thought the ride height on modern BMWs was visually appealing in stock form. And I know BMW knows how to design a suspension better than Eibach, in terms of grip and compliance.
I'm having one question: even not about the wheels... however, that would be important too. Why the driver makes everything to fake the results? The steering reactions of the driver are just different, which is especially seen in the second part, where you can notice by the wheel position that the driver doesn't prevent the skid, and even helping it.
its marketing brother.. they need to sell the item
An idiot who has not use them before will always make dumb ass comment.
Stock: hit a bump at 45mph the water stays in the cup.
Eibach: hit a coin at 20mph you’ll break your back
Well the trade off for better handling is comfort in ride. If you drive many curvy roads or take corners at high speeds great. But if you drive nothing but many freeway miles and long straights then you'll appreciate the stock suspension. I have had sport springs, race springs, and coilovers and know from over 30 years of driving.
Hehe... I like how Eibach shows the stock bmw with smaller wheels...
Great advert for sticky low profile tyres. As for the difference between stock springs and Eibach springs- might as well tested a Mondeo against a Megane, please don't insult our intelligence!
It does illustrate one thing that an upsized rim and suitable semi low profile tires do improve handling during cornering
one thing is wrong i see there diffrent tires what also do som diffrence
One thing is the wheel size, but other is that as I experienced if you have sport suspension the car slides sooner at bad road conditions (wet or in snow). I dont have Eibach suspension only KONI, but my stock suspension was softer than the new one, and mostly in snow a bit harder to drive with the KONI. I think sport suspension works better only in good conditions.
I put a Pro Plus kit on my 2011 WRX hatch. I never did anything to the motor. After I got it to handle like it should have it was all the car I needed. I'm getting a Kia Stinger GT in a couple of weeks and I've already ordered the Pro Plus kit for it. This stuff works as advertised. You'll feel it more than the video would suggest, but it feels good.
One comment: The voiceover artist's phony soft "r" is goofy sounding. It doesn't sound like the Middle Atlantic accent that was common in voiceovers of the 1940s and 1950s . It sounds like he is hearing impaired.
I use ProKit in my car. Noticeably very much shorter braking distance. Good choice. Not to forget lowered ride height too.
the antirollbar + prokit did very well in my old e46 compact.
@Hanky1980 Hey, I got an E46 Compact as well and contemplating getting a set of either B12 Bilstein with pro-kit or sportline. Actually the sportline is cheaper due to a deal atm.
Can you tell me if you had issues with speedbumps and getting up steep driveways and such?
Also what was your overal impression on the long run?
I've just bought Eibach Pro kit for my Toyota but couldn't find any time to put them on. Now, I will see the difference in 2 weeks. The same car, the same driver, the same wheels. I will change my tires but not now. I wanna see how Eibach is working.
3:09 (stock) - late countersteering= slide / 3:21 (kit) - immediately countersteering = less slide [ look at driver hands ] well, it is irrefutable proof that this comparison is bullshit. I think that stock suspension it is as good as this kit. (i skipping issue that wheels are different ) SHIT TEST
they put higher profile tires on the stock car to magnify the sloppiness to make there product look better...just saying
I think some of your testing is legit but your last test is totally biased. The driver counter steered way quicker with the Eibach suspension setups than he did with the stock. Still looks like a good setup.
In the test for different tarmac responses on hard braking (3+ mins) with the standard set up car the driver corrects the slide by countersteering at least 20 yards later than in both subsequent tests. Not an equal test in my opinion.
would be interesting to see lap times with same size tyres
Notice how they cut out the traffic cone at 1:48. Driver is a marketing pro
Are their shocks and struts reliable will they last 100k on street use?
What with wheels aligment?
Camber? Toe?
What do you guys think? KSport Control Pro CoilOver kit? (945$ USD) or Eibach Sports-System-Plus? I like Eibach's Sports Plus kit because it includes the Sway bars BUT no so much the springs. I like KSport's offer because coilovers are much better than springs. This is for a Scion TC FWD
It has been mentioned before but the rim size is not the same throughout. This strikes me as not just an oversight but dishonest.
My original comment was removed. Everyone else is saying the same thing though. Eibach, just perform another test. The people who are watching this are educated. Pick one car, show its current performance level and then put that car in a shop and install your parts and show the performance difference after installation.
heyyy fellas . . so how fast u were driving on the slolem test with sport system plus ?!!! lol
In the last test, with stock suspension the driver doesnt counter steer. Is it fair???
Will the cts V eibach springs work on the regular CTS?? Is it just a higher rate for the engine?
Ok, but how smooth is it?
im thinking about buying a eibach sports kit for my rsx type s but it says it drop 1" front 1.4" rear so question is if its even gonna make a difference coz an inch isn't that much
What's up with the aftermarket wheels? That and a better set of tires will make a world of difference between the two...
The pro kit springs means only springs ? thx
QUICK QUESTIONS: 1)if i were to purchase the pro lowering kit would i need to buy new shocks? or is this made matched for stock shocks? 2) would the pro lowering kit be better or a coilover kit? i heard coilovers make the ride shaky. 3) would i need to adjust or modify my fenders? - 2012 civic si sedan
1. Eibach springs usually fit on your OEM shocks. 2.Good springs are usually better than cheap coilovers. And correcly set up coilsovers are not shaky. 3. No, you probably don't need to modify your fenders, since the drop isn't THAT aggressive (unless you're going with huge wheels or something).
P.S. If your shocks have higher mileage (more than ~60,000 miles or so) you probably do best in replacing them, since putting spings on high mileage shocks will wear them out completely very quick.
i see thanks for the answers, i heard that just swapping the springs would destroy your shocks... i guess you have to break them in...
this is cool thanks for showing us this, but whos going through cones on the daily anyways xD
16" vs 18" wheels. This test is inaccurate.
Why did he yank the wheel during the brake test at the end?
WHAT STRUTS DO YOU USE WITH THESE SPRINGS?
I have a prokit on my honda accord. It is better than stock, but ditching it next year for full coil overs. I feel it's kind of a waste of money as you will probably only use it for a short time. bye bye $300
r16 is 205mm wide, r18 is 225 at least. only this aspect nulified the test. the scammy ad made me decide to not buy it.
How about just stiffer springs without the ride height compromise? Most people do not want a low rider car...
it is prokit or sportline??
Those are 18" or 19"?
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Your hydroplane test was done wrong. Look at how long it takes the rear end to break loose with the stock system vs the Eibach, also take note of the point on the track where the driver initiates the slide and where he starts correcting the slide. If you ask me the stock system wins.
gstaraftari, obviously a whole stiffer suspension is going to be more uncomfortable, you're sacrificing being comfortable for more control
Calipers on the cars look different also. Besides having completely different wheels with a tiers.
Wow... Eibach makes your rims bigger
Watch in the slalom how they hang that stock car waaaaay out there to maximize body roll! Bahahaha. What a joke.
why buy the sport system plus for $800- $900 when you can just get a set of coilovers???
so do i need front and rear way bars for my scion tc? and can i use my stock dampers?
Rick James no get a bimmer
I have these springs 1 year on my 540 i and I can say it is nothing worse than that stiff Eibachs, Than I put back my original M springs and it seems they are the best and far better than the stiff Eibachs. With Eibachs I also have pains in my back until I changed it for M-s.
Your wrong! The fender would go over the tire on the bigger rims. Bigger or smaller rims don’t effect the springs, generally. There for eibach is better:)
BMW the best car on the road. Miss mine!
How much of a drop is on this
I like Eibach springs but this test video is ridiculous.
In the slalom, the driver turns far wider than necessary to make the stock BMW slide, but in the upgraded BMW he drives a much straighter line and corners more conservatively.
But it's the wet/dry simulation that takes the cake. With the stock BMW the driver turns into the slide to make it worse, while with the modified BMWs he countersteers to avoid a slide.
Yes but what about comfortability??
Loss is nihil with the pro springs ( 2018 f30 330i on 20 inch with pilot sports 4s )
GREAT VIDEO! Thanks for sharing!
Happy Trading!
Has anyone installed the bilstein b12 prokit on a Mercedes c207? I know they are talking about a BMW on the video, but I need help, part #46-180766 b12 pro kit springs eibach front 112501901HA
Rear spring 112501902VA my rear spring eibach spring is long than the stock, is this normal? Or did I get the wrong parts sent to me? Or do I have get shorter rubber plates where the spring sits? SEND HELP!!
Hi Roberto, here comes your help: Please send us an email to sales@eibach.de and we will find a solution! Best regards, Team Eibach
very smart response
Why not use the same wheels and tires on both cars. Test is not fair even tho i like Eibach
use larger wheel to close the gap xD
An unfair test. Even if there are improvements between the different suspension set ups, the tyres are different. The last test is a complete bullshit: the driver countersteers very late in the stock car, while in the other two set ups he countersteers way earlier.
1:08 ...very wide entry to the 1st cone, to increase the cornering and squeak of the tires, entry speed of 75, 1:14 same as 2 last cones, more wide to make tire noise and increase roll of the car, if you watched in the other 2 runs(entry speeds of 68 and 68), and i do not believe the speedometer was working in the last run), with the einbach they dont corner so wide, this test is Biased, i belive its better with the einbach but not as much as they say, and its better by the fact that the car is lower ... not to mention the lower profile tires.
2:40: the lines had the same angle, the only thing that varies is the ride height.
2:47 different start braking points. And whats with the open window is for braking drag? :D Advertising tactics.
OH realy...plz put sport tyres on ur spings test car and on stock put winter tyres... Braking test is rubish.... + ur spring has sport 225, 235 tyres, and stock probb has 205...so ..test=fail
Top Sache !
Very good !
you realy should not fight pitch and roll through firmer springs, it just makes a road car stiffer, not ideal for everyday driving, that's why anti-roll bars, and anti-dive/squat geeometry were invented
sport system plus??? I take it has no comfort system plus!!!
they put baloon tyres on it and said: worse handling results !
they should have the Eibach one be on the M3
what the....man, they should have used the same stock wheels on the eibach equipped car..how is anyone going to find this test fair LMAO. This videso whould have been called "what's the difference between a boring stock BMW and one that has been modded"
+Brian Westfield the reason why at 1:49 it looks exactly the same is because the difference is at the roll-bar
I guess all cars are stock (except the suspension) what means the same tires.
This is really about tires
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I"ll buy the Eibach springs to put in my Chevrolet Vectra!!! Nice!!!!!!
@TechnoWynzRacing
For a guy with racing in the name you certainly don't know a whole lot about it... that 3rd BMW has larger wheels and performance tires.
Why didnt he controlled the back of the car with the stock suspension????? BS (3:11)
And with bigger rims.......
one thing about sport suspension is it is king on flat cornery road, but on a real world not so flat road, please be prepared to take all the uncomfortability. i mean very2 uncomforatable makes ur backbone painful
but you don't make the test with the same mags!! one are bigger than the other one!!
thank you!
very interesting sounds good to me
not using the same wheels and tires make the test less credible
Ahahah what tires?
It has to be the same size of wheels!! or maybe the sport system kit = pro-kit....
Um the fuckin wheels are different too, with smaller sidewalls.
@trazinpismu Glad someone here has a brain and thought about this fact.
he drove like a grandma on the last test
i wish my eibach would make my rims big
wheel to win, i see what you did there
Difriend size wheels,tyre squealing on wet.
Ho montato pochi giorni fa il Pro-Kit B12 sulla mia S-Max e devo dire che è un bell'assetto ma esteticamente purtroppo è rimasta alta, esteticamente non è bella. Ora vorrei cambiare, sono un po'deluso purtroppo.
wow! nice
thats the "Stock" one
They used a 323 and a 335... unfair much
nice!
Why the hell is this video narrated by Plankton from SpongeBob?