The worst fugue ever composed | Grösse Fugue by A.V. Koskinen (1961)
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- This 8 voice double fugue was one of the works that master Francis Poulenc entrusted to master Koskinen while he was teaching our composer. When he saw this work he just expelled him from his house and said "don't return anymore here". But he returned and he kept studying with the French master until his death in 1962.
This fugue is many times compared to Beethoven's Große Fugue because of its complexity and difficulty to understand.
This piece is almost unplayable so we had to use the musescore midi advanced technologies for make it sound, but if anyone wants to try to play through it just let us know writing to our mail avkoskinenarhive@gmail.com and we will send u the scores always for free.
Hope you all enjoy in silence please!
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Composer had a hidden talent🔥🔥....better keep it hidden
WE’RE GOIN NOWHERE WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️
this sounds like he was going through some schizophrenic episode while composing it
That's probably the case!
I may be suffering from hearing loss or brain damage, because I actually liked it.
Based musical taste.
Bro how?
This is the best worst fugue I have ever listened to. All hail Koskinen.
Long life to Master Koskinen.
Oh, I don't know about terrible. Atonality in a fugue is a concept, I suppose, and this does demonstrate it. It has a bit of drive to it, but I did check the timing bar to see how much was left near the end.
We found the piece to be hard to listen to, so we thought a catchy title would help with the visibility of the composition.
this is great!!!
There has to be a reason for it being this . . . dissonant for lack of a better word. I refuse to believe he made this thinking it sounded good.
He didn't care about dissonance, this is true emancipation of dissonance. Koskinen wanted to express raw emotion through dense textures and complex form.
@@avkoskinenarchive interesting
Koskinen had a similar philosophy to the artists during the 20th century abstract expressionist movement. Rather than focusing on creating auditorily pleasing compositions, he expressed his emotions. He had psychosis partly due to childhood trauma, making his most expressive works also his most chaotic. Contemporary artist Mark Rothko summarizes this philosophy in his quote that can be paraphrased as “Nothing should stand between the art and its viewer,” meaning that there shouldn’t be some “deep meaning” to look for, but rather, the viewer should be able to connect to the artist vicariously via the art. This is made possible by mirror neurons, the cells in your brain responsible for understanding the emotions and thoughts of another person. This is why Koskinen’s work makes the listener FEEL the portrayed emotions. Likewise, a more merry (and sane) avant-garde composer’s music will be more organized. This can be seen in Koskinen’s “Journey into the Subconscious,” composed during a more mentally stable period in his life. Thus, it is much more coherent in nature.
@@quantumcarnival In other words this is the use of intentional chaos in order to properly and effectively demonstrate the composers feelings/thoughts at the time. I’ve never thought of that before this is pretty cool.
@@quantumcarnival Wonderful explanation!
I found this quite soothing. I kept wondering when he was going to get to the dissonant parts that everyone is talking about. ❤
Yes, it takes a while to get to the most dissonant section.
I would say the crappy synth is making it much worse
Most likely. But who knows if this piece will ever get performed by a group of people.
What's the actual scoring?
It was a very strange combination including ukelele and bass guitar. We decided it was too difficult to balance it in Musescore.
@@avkoskinenarchive The orchestration could redeem this piece!
Besides, the more I look at avK, the more I think you might be having us on!
Sounds like a tuning orchestra....
Master Koskinen had a very special and weird but effective way for tuning the orchestra
@@avkoskinenarchiveI love listening to an orchestra tune and when concert hasn’t started yet and the musicians just be warming up and playing random passages
I wonder if there’s TH-cam videos specifically dedicated to that cuz I would genuinely listen
rather nice 💕
Incredible. Koskinen truly was ahead of his time.
Indeed. His music is both ahead and behind his time, a true example of timeless art.
yeah! he predicted music notation software shitposting
Sounds like the boss music from half the fights in Dark Souls 3
One of our members is a Souls-borne fan. He's a bit confused now...
I feel as though every new fugue _really_ stretches the definition of fugue
No doubt about that.
Really good ❤
So good...
the is the classical equivalent of “TJ on da beat”
What is that?
@@avkoskinenarchive th-cam.com/video/qucZbA1oAL4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_F4ztkdkjsjw9KKL
Extraordinary music!
This sounds like the Jumping Frog take-off by Charles Ives
At some points maybe.
The Florence Foster Jenkins of fugues - it’s so bad it’s good
Koskinen's favourite singer of all time!
I created an algorithm to generate random MIDI and put it to listen while I'm working. This fugue actually sounded very cool to my ears 😅
What mathematical procedure do you use for the algorithm?
average contemporary music
Pretty much.
I.. write like this...
Von Reznicek's Chromatic Fugue run through a blender ...
Truly a "chromatic momento".
Molto espressivo😭😭😭
MOLTO!
@@avkoskinenarchive Moltissimissimissimo espressivo ma anche abbastanzissima furibonda
It's actually a nice piece even though some lines sound a bit out of place like that countermotive of an ascending (kinda) diatonic scale in quadruplets. But still it would be a nice piece if played by human beings. Could you say what the original instrumentation was? Thanks for posting.
The original instrumentation was truly chaotic. It was very difficult to balance so we switched to a more normal ensemble. But the original had ukelele and bass if I'm not wrong.
So what was it?
It sounds like Nancarrow
😢A circus fugue.
0:43- 0:45 is actually kinda good. Nonetheless, reminds me of the “I am not totally useless, I can serve as a bad example” expression)And let’s admit it is rather consistent which is aesthetic in itself.
Yes, Koskinen's music tends to be very consisten within the same piece.
Some parts actually have very beautiful harmonies but other parts are just goofy
Indeed.
The harmony of this music is so goofy ahh but......I kinda like it? Jesus christ, I love fugue......
Who are you, A. V. Koskinen???
I don't know.
bro composed the sound of an orchestra before they play/tune
Pretty much, yes.
None of the counterpoint makes any sense really. Is it a serialist fugue?
The main subject is based on a 12-tone row, but the rest is mainly a set of combinations related to textures and free dissonance. The rules in this piece aren't very strict, it's more textural than counterpoint.
@@avkoskinenarchive Thanks for explaining. It did look like a tone row at the outset.
Horror music
The piece that will be uploaded today is way scarier for sure.
Tintin vibes
What's the context?
Don't show this to King Crimson
Who is King Crimson?
@@avkoskinenarchive A progressive rock band that disbanded in 1974.
Cela sonne mal. C'est très laid.
We agree.
Umm....if scored for wind/brass instruments, wanna let them breathe a little bit ? Winds/brass 101 says you gotta give these guys a chance to suck in some air.....
Very true. The original has less wind instruments, but still Koskinen wasn't the best at orchestration back then.
Still better than Enaudi.
Very much.
it is very elaborate but this is not an academic fugue for the simple fact that a fugue never loses sight of the importance of the main theme of the subject. the response, the counter-subject, the exposition, the progressions, etc., are constructions to enhance the initial subject, but here there is no rule that gives importance to the main theme, it is not a fugue but an acoustic experimentation
Exactly, this is more of a textural experiment. Also there are two main subjects presentet by different sets of instruments, thus sounding like two fugues at once at first.
Click bait post. Sorry I fell for it.
It's okay.
Who is AV Koskinen and Poulenc wasnt a music teacher... wtf is this channel?
Koskinen was a master of the avant-garde movement in the second half of the 20th century. Koskinen received private counterpoint lessons from Poulenc, although due to his bad technique he started going there only when Poulenc was teaching another person.
I literally cant find any info about this guy anywhere but here. I think you are just a big liar and these are just your bad compositions 🤣
How can you say "bad compositions"? Koskinen is literally one of the greatest avant-garde composers of all time. Long life to Master Koskinen.
Horrible. Can't finish.
A difficult piece to listen to indeed.
@avkoskinenarchive its technical in a horrible way. Maybe it would sound a bit better with real instruments so the dissonance would make a little more sense.
May God have mercy on the musicians who attempt this piece.
This is flat out garbage. I mean the notation, the harmony, the everything. Do people consider this good music?
Some of them are enjoying it as you can see ,yes.
I hate modern composers
I'm a "modern" composer ... do you hate me? th-cam.com/video/clJPOvjlgSg/w-d-xo.html
i would say jazz is better but better not go that far
Koskinen started using jazz elements in his music during his time living in New York. You can check "An ant in New York" (1979).