Data: “Speaking of sexual prowess, did you know that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to wear giant codpieces to imply they had massive genitals?” Picard: “Gene Roddenberry? The admiral on the Enterprise’s dedication plaque? More importantly why the hell would you tell me that?!”
I can only imagine how viewers upon initial release reacted when we had TNG visit DS9, Data met Bashir, and an unknowingly seeing Worf have his first experience on the station.
@@hariman7727Spent half his time sleeping and listening to Klingon Opera on the Defiant. Other half was hiding from O'Brien trying to get drunk and reminisce. So glad he wasn't there for Move Along Home
Seeing Soong „like that“ is hilariously weird. In every other appearance of any soong Brent Spiner was either significantly older or used make up to appear significantly older. Otherwise we only saw him in data makeup. This is, I believe, the only time we see Spiner „normal“ in his prime.
I know you didn't want to edit around it or plan around it, but the presence of the "Bots Don't Like" and the lobby music cutting in during the climax of Data's dream sequence just made me laugh. Comedic genius - even if unintentional.
I know Terry Farrell was pissed at missing out on Birthright, but even without the later revelation regarding Bashier he definitely fit better into this story.
It fits better regardless I think. Bashir is very sincere in his interest in Data because he’s a naturally adventurous and curious person whereas Dax being far more long lived wouldn’t come across that way in the same role.
...I don't remember this as a two parter. I remember this as Data's dream episode and Worf's episode as a different episode. It's really crazy how the different focus changes a two parter into a pair of connected episodes.
That's why this two part episode is called *Birthright* . Data's hidden dream program is his *birthright* Worf attempt to find his father is his *birthright* Worf teaching the imprisoned Klingon's offsprings his and their Klingon's heritage is a *birthright* I wouldn't be surprised if that two parter was suppose to be two separate episodes, but the Data's story portion was too short of the running time. So they splice the Worf's story together with Data story to the fit the running time, but it went over it. So they must have decided to make it a two parter. The First part sets up Worf's quest to find his father, while doing the Data story and rounding it all up in the first part. The Second part completely a Worf's episode, befriended the offsprings of the imprisoned Klingons.
Man it kinda bums me out that because SFD ended up off youtube for so long, it's hard to rebuild the sub count. I think he'd easily be one of the most popular scifi youtubers around otherwise. His Marvel retrospective really illuminated me on so much about not just the past of that company but things that have happened with it since, for example.
The NG films were a great place to explore Data's growth. Kinda the way Spock had his epiphany in the TMP. Or they can just slap an emotion chip in him that he can turn on and off when the plot needs it.
I like the idea of Bashir asking questions about Data that relate to how Data is meant to simulate humans and human behavior. Geordi is very much a techhead and Data's friend, so he approaches Data from that angle, while Bashir, being a doctor and secretly genetically enhanced, approaches Data from that angle. My dad's a physician, so he does the same sort of thing, contextualizing things in medical terminology because that's what he knows.
Seeing how you brought up the Barge of the Dead comparison, I think Barge would of worked better if the hesitance wasn't because of it being 'religious' but because they are on a long journey. Any death, especially that of their chief engineer, would decrease their chances of getting home. Essentially, Torres going on this near death experience isn't just putting herself at risk, but the entire crew.
isn.t he a culture of at least 5 soon type androids that exist by this point? There's Data, Lore(disassembled), Lal(deactivated), B4(disassembled), and Datas mother(does this take place before or after her death?)
But there is no "android culture". They are disconnected individuals, some of which never met each other. They created no cultural legacy. *Data's culture is: Earth human culture.* Dr. Noonien Soong who invented, designed and built Data and Lore (on the colony world Omicron Theta) was a human born on Earth. Data himself, after the crystal entity incident (and Dr. Soong deleting Data's memory core but putting in files from the diaries of the dead colonists before fleeing the planet) and after being found by Star Fleet, was "raised" a second time by Federation humans from Earth. Data, as an adroid, makes his own experiences that are different from those of organic lifeforms. But on the other hand, so would someone with a cyborg body... yet we would never call a single cyborg "a culture of one". Because for a culture, you need multiple individuals, you need a society, otherwise it's just navel-gazing. If there is a large number of cyborgs inside an existing society, they can form a subculture. But only in the Picard series have we seen a whole society of androids, living apart from the society of their creator (Dr. Altan Inigo Soong), trying to create their own cultural norms.
Data: “Speaking of sexual prowess, did you know that Gene Roddenberry wanted the Ferengi to wear giant codpieces to imply they had massive genitals?”
Picard: “Gene Roddenberry? The admiral on the Enterprise’s dedication plaque? More importantly why the hell would you tell me that?!”
I can only imagine how viewers upon initial release reacted when we had TNG visit DS9, Data met Bashir, and an unknowingly seeing Worf have his first experience on the station.
We enjoyed the crossover, and the character work.
Worf: It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live here.
@@sfdebrisred6555 that explains why he's so grumpy on DS9.
Wait, when isn't Worf grumpy?
He wasn’t grumpy in Insurrection.
Which is another reason it sucked. Never trust a non-grumpy Worf.
@@hariman7727Spent half his time sleeping and listening to Klingon Opera on the Defiant. Other half was hiding from O'Brien trying to get drunk and reminisce.
So glad he wasn't there for Move Along Home
Seeing Soong „like that“ is hilariously weird. In every other appearance of any soong Brent Spiner was either significantly older or used make up to appear significantly older. Otherwise we only saw him in data makeup.
This is, I believe, the only time we see Spiner „normal“ in his prime.
I know you didn't want to edit around it or plan around it, but the presence of the "Bots Don't Like" and the lobby music cutting in during the climax of Data's dream sequence just made me laugh. Comedic genius - even if unintentional.
Thank you. I felt it particularly ironic under the circumstances for the bots to object to a robot achieving something greater.
@@sfdebrisred6555 We can enjoy the unintended hilarity together Chuck.
Data's art is incredible for an AI. He can do hands!
But he still writes terrible poetry.
@@zephyr8072The Vogon leader and his poetry from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (the book, not the movie) has nothing on this guy! 😁
I know Terry Farrell was pissed at missing out on Birthright, but even without the later revelation regarding Bashier he definitely fit better into this story.
It fits better regardless I think. Bashir is very sincere in his interest in Data because he’s a naturally adventurous and curious person whereas Dax being far more long lived wouldn’t come across that way in the same role.
@@zephyr8072 his interactions with Data fit well into his early-series childlike curiosity on DS9
...I don't remember this as a two parter.
I remember this as Data's dream episode and Worf's episode as a different episode.
It's really crazy how the different focus changes a two parter into a pair of connected episodes.
Same. I never remember this as a two partner.
That's why this two part episode is called *Birthright* .
Data's hidden dream program is his *birthright*
Worf attempt to find his father is his *birthright*
Worf teaching the imprisoned Klingon's offsprings his and their Klingon's heritage is a *birthright*
I wouldn't be surprised if that two parter was suppose to be two separate episodes, but the Data's story portion was too short of the running time. So they splice the Worf's story together with Data story to the fit the running time, but it went over it. So they must have decided to make it a two parter.
The First part sets up Worf's quest to find his father, while doing the Data story and rounding it all up in the first part.
The Second part completely a Worf's episode, befriended the offsprings of the imprisoned Klingons.
Man it kinda bums me out that because SFD ended up off youtube for so long, it's hard to rebuild the sub count. I think he'd easily be one of the most popular scifi youtubers around otherwise.
His Marvel retrospective really illuminated me on so much about not just the past of that company but things that have happened with it since, for example.
The NG films were a great place to explore Data's growth. Kinda the way Spock had his epiphany in the TMP. Or they can just slap an emotion chip in him that he can turn on and off when the plot needs it.
I like the idea of Bashir asking questions about Data that relate to how Data is meant to simulate humans and human behavior. Geordi is very much a techhead and Data's friend, so he approaches Data from that angle, while Bashir, being a doctor and secretly genetically enhanced, approaches Data from that angle. My dad's a physician, so he does the same sort of thing, contextualizing things in medical terminology because that's what he knows.
That Addams Family cutaway joke kills me every time. XD
Chuck, your monologue at the end of this genuinely brought me to tears. Bravo.
Dammit, Chuck. Having Gomez Addams pop up on screen made me choke on my food.
Seeing how you brought up the Barge of the Dead comparison, I think Barge would of worked better if the hesitance wasn't because of it being 'religious' but because they are on a long journey. Any death, especially that of their chief engineer, would decrease their chances of getting home. Essentially, Torres going on this near death experience isn't just putting herself at risk, but the entire crew.
Grammarian pet peeve: "...would _have_ worked better..." or, if you must "...would've worked better..."
@@boobah5643 Understandable. It is one of those things where I would have caught it if I actually reviewed my comment before posting it.
It's really a shame this wasn't given a proper follow-up, and the emotion chip eventually short-circuits the entire arc. :(
Generations ruined everything.
I'm still so steamed that they reduced his quest to become human to a fucking chip!
I wonder if at this point we can say that Data is no longer a human-looking machine, but "a life-form of (his) own...a conscious, living entity."
isn.t he a culture of at least 5 soon type androids that exist by this point? There's Data, Lore(disassembled), Lal(deactivated), B4(disassembled), and Datas mother(does this take place before or after her death?)
But there is no "android culture". They are disconnected individuals, some of which never met each other. They created no cultural legacy.
*Data's culture is: Earth human culture.* Dr. Noonien Soong who invented, designed and built Data and Lore (on the colony world Omicron Theta) was a human born on Earth. Data himself, after the crystal entity incident (and Dr. Soong deleting Data's memory core but putting in files from the diaries of the dead colonists before fleeing the planet) and after being found by Star Fleet, was "raised" a second time by Federation humans from Earth.
Data, as an adroid, makes his own experiences that are different from those of organic lifeforms. But on the other hand, so would someone with a cyborg body... yet we would never call a single cyborg "a culture of one". Because for a culture, you need multiple individuals, you need a society, otherwise it's just navel-gazing. If there is a large number of cyborgs inside an existing society, they can form a subculture.
But only in the Picard series have we seen a whole society of androids, living apart from the society of their creator (Dr. Altan Inigo Soong), trying to create their own cultural norms.
(5:02) Hey! It's the electronic pyramid game! 😉
This is heavy, Doc.
Great Scot!
As awesome as SNW is, this is the kind of thing it's missing.
They kind of tried it with Una, but it didn't land wholly.
Yeah, unfortunately her trial episode was muddled and didn't have a strong logical or consistent character component, so it fizzled. :(
It is fascinating to discuss a fictional true AI exploring art while real machine learning casts an ominous shadow today.
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